They sparred in 82-83 and few years later Mike Tyson becomes youngest heavyweight Champion of all time knocking everyone out, Tyson has over 30 fights and 9 successful title defences while Lewis is still an amateur learning his trade, and remember Lewis is a year older than Tyson, the only conclusion that can be made is throughout the 1980's Mike Tyson was far better than Lennox Lewis. Anyone who says anything different are just biased
Jay Star But the fact remains that Lewis became the far superior boxer - a prime Lewis vs a prime Tyson would see Lewis win most of the time. He knew how to handle brawlers
Ahh now, although I'd always pick the best Lewis to beat the best Tyson (Bring it on keyboard warriors....). Tyson in his short lived prime was much more than a brawler, much more.
thats the truth... he was invincible the speed/power/defense was second to no one.. His downfall was Robin givens/ Don King And firing His trainers( Kevin Rooney) . Mike Never reached his true potential--- he should have been undefeated.........
Lewis had his first pro fight in June 1989. You gotta build up to be a contender. July 1991 rape allegation ( bullshit starts ) so he's in jail till 1995. In 1991 Lewis was not really contender, He beat Gary Mason in Uk showdown, I think Mason was expected to win. was he not an underdog for that fight. When he k'od Ruddock late in 1992 he was underdog, Tyson was younger than him, but Tyson unified titles aged 20 in 1986, he was youngest ever, most fighters don't win title to later 20's probably.
I love Lewis and I watched their fight live and Lewis may very well be the better of the two but when Lewis fought Tyson, Tyson was not even close to his prime. He was fighting for money at that point and only money - he had none of his old trainers, etc. I would have loved to see them fight in their prime but Tyson was a lot like Dempsey in that way. He was prime very young because his style required explosive precision. Precision is something that requires a ton of practice and upkeep and Tyson was just not committed at that point in history.
lewis was paid 4 million dollars and tyson also gave up his wbc belt cos TYSON didnt want to fight Lewis. Lewis friggin sued Tyson because he wanted to fight him. Bowe also gave up his wbc belts cos he didnt want to fight Lewis.
RSheen ofc he did....Mike just came out of jail he didnt fought for 2 years...he needed easier opponents to get back to rythm, Lewis wasnt one of them...
Hollyfield, and Lewis dogged Mike until the end of his fighting career. If you look at mikes movement and foot work in his early fights compared to when he fought Lewis Mike was a totally different fighter.
Know your facts, evander was scheduled to fight Mike in 90, then mike lost to douglas, and mike paid millions of dollars not to fight lennox, even vacated his WBC title, Mike knew he was overrated.
When Tyson was in his prime, with D'Amato and Rooney, he would have destroyed Lewis in his prime. Prime Tyson had brilliant footwork and head movement and he barely got hit, and his ferociousness scared every one he fought, as his body shots broke ribs, and any headshot was a knockout. That Mike would have destroyed anyone in his era and since, including Hollyfield, Bowe, Klitchkos, Fury, Joshua etc. Even against Foreman, Frazier, Ali it would have been hard to call. He was untouchable in his prime years.
@@cag506 Shut up man, Oliver KO'd Lewis with one shot and that was Tyson's sparing partner. Love to see you fight Thomas, Spinks, Smith, Tucker and Berbick. I want to see how average they are since you're the brains here.
Still bragging about the fight against a washed up Tyson with no stamina, no heart, no combinations and only in there for the money. Btw, Tyson beat his ass when they were sparring that time.
redprince1000 There is an interview with the trainers. They said about the same thing: Lewis got a beating. Even Lewis himself says that between the lines in this speech... I`m 99% certain you are british because brits are fanatics about their own stuff.
I think everyone interprets this to his own taste.Look i like MT - a supreme athlete no doubt.I heard that Lewis got the better of the sparring over the course of the week.Who knows?
Lennox was an old man too. Lennox was one of the best. All of you have to accept it. He defeated all of boxers. Even he was 38 years old, gave an amazing fight to 31 years old prime Vitali. And Vitali was damn good boxer too!
You mean on drugs and on Zoloft? 88 Mike and LL would get stopped in less than 4 with the win going to Tyson. sparing partner at best. LL lost to Oliver and that was Tysons spring partner.
Regardless on who people think is better is a matter of opinion but one thing is certain that both Tyson and Lewis are amazing fighters and are both one of the greatest boxers of all time, much respect to these two legends.
Mike's pretty humble about all this and is mature enough to just let things go and not get heated over what Lennox or Evander have to say about beating him in the past (Lennox definitely seems like he tries to sneak it into every convo to this day when someone asks him about Tyson). Mike was a different animal back then; I do really believe Lennox took this into consideration, as he is a year older than Tyson but stayed in the am's and focused on going for gold when around the same time Tyson went pro and became the youngest (still is, too) heavyweight champion of all-time, instead of going pro. I mean he got knocked out in sparring with Tyson. Rooney says he became a brawler and who took shots when originally Tyson's style was truly to slip and use footwork to barely get touched when angling enough to set up knockout punches. But I always do believe Cus knew that Lewis was going to become a stylistic horror since Lewis was a true outboxer who was much taller than Tyson (who, especially by the early 2000s-now era is a very small HW). If Tyson was going to beat Lewis, it would've had to been when Lewis didn't put on mass (by the late 90s to early 2000s the HW division champs were competing up to 240 pounds, Tyson was never this big or tall) and even Tyson said his style was truly a "young man's style" in one of the documentaries up on Netflix, if I recall correctly. Slipping to set up knockout punches from the peakaboo requires a lot of fast-paced energy expenditure and younger reflexes; this is simply not an old-school style that carries efficiency to allow you to be crafty and keep you long in the game (like Bernard Hopkin's style, for example). Even the hand placement to only covers the chin is dangerous considering you're having to slip an occasional take hits to the forehead to gain advantageous angles, it's fine when you're young, but when you lose those younger reflexes those occasional hits to the forehead becoe more frequent an you feel em a lot more. I mean, this was a style Cus truly developed on what was kinda the cutting edge new approach to old-school boxing (and kinda stayed with Cus to his deathbed). Lewis and Tyson are both great students of the game who got educated by true old-school gurus of boxing and they both must've known given time where Lewis would naturally gain mass and professional craft in honing his lengthy outboxing, and Tyson just naturally getting slower for the peakaboo style to be effective as he aged that stylistically Lewis was going to beat him. Even in the 80's traditional boxing logic would've given the fight to the taller outboxer in Lewis, but Mike was a bit of a genetic mutant in how athletic he really was and he was mentally just game whereas it was apparent Lewis would rather stay in the am's instead. And that's not factoring in all the other stuff (jail, money, trainers, whatever) that Mike went through. Just knowing your boxing Lewis was always gonna be a problem for Mike, even in the 80's. But the raw talent, athleticism, focus, and confidence that Cus built for him (Tyson always operated on stress, not inherent confidence like what Ali or even Floyd Jr have) was what would've given Tyson the win if they met real early in a pro career (but Lewis' trainers were all too smart to let that happen).
@@daveyboy_ I'm not sure who wennox is /was he any good ? Lennox Lewis at his peak the best he was vs Tyson at his peak the best he was//in a trilogy Lennox Lewis takes it best of 10 Lennox Lewis wins end of discussion
And just a few more things. Tyson's real prime was from his 1st fight up until the Spinks fight. After that fight he fired Kevin Roony and he was in decline from that point on as it reared it's head in Tokyo not long after. To say nothing about the Tyson that showed up after prison. The after prison Tyson was already washed up and the Tyson Lewis fought was a total joke and every boxing expert knew this. The real question is could Lewis in his prime beat a Tyson in his prime. If they fought before the decline of Tyson, Mike would have beat Lewis EZ. But then that's not fair to Lewis because Lewis didn't hit his prime until the mid to late 90's. Tyson's bad habits ruined it for boxing fans because I think a prime Tyson vs a prime Holyfield and prime Lewis would have givin us some of the greatest fights in history.
Coach Rambo Tyson beat Bruno's ass in his first fight after Rooney and again after prison and Bruno said he'd rather fight Lewis 5 times than Tyson once so Tyson wasn't in much decline vs Bruno. He also KOd Williams, Tillman and Ruddock after Rooney so don't shit on the post Rooney Mike just because Douglas embarrassed him.
fought Tyson at his low. And ducked Tyson for as long as he could that's why he didn't trun pro when Tyson did. Look it up Tyson knocked him out in sparring.
Its the other way round dummy, Tyson knew Lennox had his number. He ducked Lennox in 1996, relinquished his WBC & paid Lennox $4 million dollars. Instead he fought Bruce Seldon
+Tom Star Gazer Stop spreading half truths. Lewis refused $13 million to fight Tyson... but then accepted $4million step aside fee. #DUMB. He asked for $30 million back then
Everyone on here saying Tyson was past his prime but forget besides Holyfield who used a basic boxer vs puncher strategy to beat him Tyson destroyed golata Botha before he even stepped in there with Lewis Tyson wasn’t past his prime Lewis was underrated his boxing IQ was probably one of the greatest he’s definitely a top 5 Lennox the lion lewis
Lol so laughable the comments, Tyson paid not to fight Lewis twice!! He didn't want no part of him, Then again all these Tyson fan's clearly don't know there history, Lewis ALWAYS would've owned Tyson
All the people saying "nobody could live with a prime Mike Tyson", Tucker and Smith took him the distance in his prime and they weren't the best in that era. I do think that Tyson probably wins in a fight with Lennox but only because Lewis doesn't have a chin, boxing wise I think Lewis is better and he too had awesome power.
I agree with what you said except for Tucker and Smith not being the best in their Era They were the champions at the time they lost to Tyson So they were The best of the best until Tyson beat them
+Tom Star Gazer Much a agreed, however... if Tyson never went to prison and washed up and they fought when they're were suppose to, THEN WHO WINS THE FIGHT?
Wat Youthought It's a differcult one, they fought twice in sparring as teenagers. Tyson dominated in early rounds, but Lewis had successes after first couple of rounds. I'm not gonna say Lewis had Tyson number because Tyson owned the big stage & would of been to his advantage. But it would off been a great fight. It's a shame they developed at different times with Tyson turning pro 4/5 yrs earlier than Lewis. I'd probably put my money on Tyson. But I can't help but wonder, Razor Rudduck fought good fights against Tyson & he was Lewis sparring partner & Lewis was the better of the two.
Wat Youthought Tyson strenghts: *Speed *Big Event *Power *Elusiveness *Jaw Tyson Weaknesses: *Determination *Bronchitis *Questioning Belief in himself in long fights/ confidence Lewis strenghts: *Jabs *Controlling the range *Determination *Jaw *adjust to Inside & outside strategy *caused cuts with hooks Weaknesses: *Sometimes caught of balance *Irresponsible in movement *Relying to much on Jab *In early career didn't throw as many hooks
From your posts i can conclude two things: ~you are incapable of debate and probably suffer from an inferiority complex ~you are preoccupied with homosexual thoughts. Perhaps you are on the wrong web pages?! Just my observations.
Run along now before your mama realises that you have been on the internet again unsupervised.No point in replying as you are now blocked...sorry son but i cannot justify wasting another moment on a piece of ghetto trash like yourself.You cant even spell properly.Goodbye.
I see he ain't being honest, Mike had checked out way before they fought... life was in shambles... he fought a shell of Mike... and he fucking knows that
The thing i remember most about the Tyson-Lewis fight is that Tyson barely tried. It was like he was on medication. His heart was not in the fight. And in the end he walked into the KO, basically forcing Lewis to put him out his misery. The reason why i think Tyson would beat Lennox in his prime, is because Lennox was knocked out by lesser fighters. Its hard to dodge bombs coming from a well tuned Tyson, as opposed to a volume-induced Mike
lesser fighters?…nah man, styles makes fights. period. Lennox was crafty, strong & had dynamite for a jab (with way longer reach). Lennox was overall superior.
Lewis was paid 13 million not to fight Tyson.people around Tyson knew Lewis was better.tyson as a kid was exciting as hell but I think he scared people into not thinking. Buster Douglas showed how to beat him.subsequently he was always beat by people who were boxers or nasty frustrating boxers like Holyfield who in my opinion was the true warrior in that era.lewis was the best boxer.bow had the greatest potential
To buster Douglas and his loss was due to the fact that don King made him fire his normal trainers (the ones he had when Cus D'Amato was around...He lost to Holyfield after his jail and not training etc. He should have retired before the Holyfield fight but needed money...
*History lesson:* Mike Tyson relinquished his WBA/WBC title (I forget which) and paid Lennox Lewis NOT to fight him ~1996. *Lewis was the mandatory #1 contender* . Lewis didn't duck anyone. The only way you LOSE A TITLE in boxing is either in the ring or by not fighting the mandatory challengers in front of you.
mike tyson so famous worldwide more than any athlete on the planet...but here is the thing you ask a 80 yr old lady or man in india who don't have tv ever in there house you ask them do you know mike tyson..they are gonna say that boxer ..thats how much he is famous..baddest looking man on the planet..nobody can beat his record nobody and his style of boxing ohh please don't even try to go there.most powerful name on the planet tyson.thats why i name my son tyson
Is there anywhere I can pay for a recording of the evening and download it to my laptop or device? Seemed like a fantastic event. Big up Lennox Lewis for putting it on and helping people. The pugilistic specialist
To me Lewis is a Top 3 fighter of all time and one could make an EZ case he was actually the best if you consider he would have prolly handled even a prime Ali since he was basically the same thing minus alil speed add much more size and power. But come on Lewis, even you must know the Tyson you beat was nothing more than a shadow of the fighter that was once considered to be on his way to being the greatest fighter ever, a prime Mike Tyson. You'd gain much respect from fans of your like myself if you'd say something of the sort in the public eye. I'm not trying to take that win away from you but you know as well as any the Tyson you really wanted to fight was the 88 Tyson and that guy didn't show up to your fight.
this guy has always been the most boring heavyweight to watch,and so up himself.My favourite fights of his is when he got K.O'ed by mcall and rahman,and also the beating he took from vitali klitschko.Lewis the former heavyweight chump
As many of you say, Tyson was another boxer in the 80's, even in the early 90's. If you ask any expert in boxing, you will listen a very different story about what would have happened if Tyson confronts any of the fighters he lose againts in his pre-prison career. Ali, Foreman.. whatever, nothing seems as dominant as Tyson in his golden years
So what you just said you was training for tyson the whole time when he was in his prime knocking people out but then fought him when he was well past his peak!!!! and your trying to claim to be the best heavyweight of that era!!!Come on lennox always was a big fan of yours but this has made me think diffrent
Lennox has become more palatable over time. I felt like he was ‘full of it’, when he was younger, but that is pretty usual for the sport I guess. When you expect witty banter (ie Ali), or stoic menace (ie Liston, Hagler, Tyson), then anything in between will disappoint.
Steven Gonzales there are so many dream fights... prime tyson vs david tua / ali / fraizer / forman / shavers / rocky marciano these will be entertaning to watch unlike todays fights!
Frazier was one of my favorite fighters, a lot of heart, but he lead with his head, and I could be wrong, but I think Tysons power would have destroyed him.
Even Lewis after his fight with Tyson in the ring, said graciously that he could not beat Tyson in his prime, and at Lewis's prime he stated he had now beaten Tyson. It was really an anti-climax not should of been an Ali-Frazier.
i've no doubt Lewis is one of the winningest hw boxers of all time, but i have to admit his boxe was at least boring to see, whileTyson's or even Holyfield's was a pleasure and so delightful
And he did start fighting like that too putting his hands down not bobbing and weaving i cannot believe the goal was to go 100-0 cus, jimmy jacobs, kevin rooney this was their plan.
How convenient he Never mentions how tyson knocked him out during sparring........ Give Lewis credit for being ring smart when he fights -- he picks his opponents carefully as does Mayweather.........
You know ,when a HOF Boxer is telling a story maybe you should give him respect and listen . He's up there talking and the crowd sounds like they are talking amongst themselves. If I was Lennox I would have been pissed
Every athlete hits a peak. Unfortunately for Mike he peaked at 20 years of age and although he was winning after that, he was slowly becoming blunt and not as sharp as when Cus was around. By the time Lewis and Holyfield for Tyson, there was a huge decline in Tysons performance. Just the power was there, he's probably still has got his power.
A lot of shit spoken here, Lewis learnt how to beat him in the several days he sparred with him when they were young. That's why Tyson avoided Lewis for so long.
Joe egan story seems to be conflicting 😂 he said that Mike knocked Lennox spark out..😂 Lennox worked on his craft and kept his head on in the end in a decorated career.both lefends now.big up!
In retrospect I do think Tyson would have struggled against Lewis even in his prime but the difference is with Lewis's tendency to drop his hands and against a young and hungry Tyson that would have been fatal .People forget that Tyson after he won the championship he began to gradually decline because of his tendency to not train as hard after he essentially cleaned out the division.And then when he finally was beaten badly by Douglas I think his confidence was shattered permanently .He never was very good with adversity,if he was beating someone fairly well he was fine but if someone began to fight back he was not that sharp so nah Lewis would have weathered the storm and came on in the later rounds and knocked Mike out although I do recognize it would have been a better fight had it happened early in their careers instead the fight we got where Lewis just dominated.
In reading everyone's comments, everyone thinks Tyson would of beat Lewis in Tyson's prime. Lewis claims he wanted the fight for several years and Mike ducked him. Who knows if that's true. Tyson did not care about fighting at all when they finally meet. So who knows?
Tyson didn't move as well after prison. He had an "early prime" like a point-guard in basketball he relied on quickness and speed... A bigger taller man like Lennox Lewis and George Foreman can fight at a high-level into his 30's or even 40's, Mike Tyson peaked in his 20's.
@@active.7universal yeah once, with a bunch of clowns running his training camp and cornering him (they didn't even have an eye swell). And Buster was down for 12 seconds with a slow count, that is something to remember too. Tyson did have an early prime.
@@Sassonic Tyson had a DRAW vs James Tillis and struggled with one handed tony tucker//Tyson was my dude I use to watch all his bouts at my grandma's house but Truth be told boxing is more mental than physical period and Tyson mentality was his down fall .. you don't throw countless low blows vs razor when things don't go your way /you don't bite when you get headbutted//.. other excuses I hear is oh well Tyson was having sex all night or he was on drugs..
@@Sassonic buster was going by the count with the ref 1 2.tyson also had a long count 3 what kept Tyson from outboxing buster when buster got up 4 it was a knockdown 5.tyson was knocked out stopped
Lewis is too arrogant, in sparring mike tyson knocked him out of the ring, i hope this footage surfaces and becomes widespread because whilst its true lennox beat a drugged up tyson he would never go the distance with a prime tyson, if rahman can ko lewis with 1 overhand right punch then tyson can ko him with a jab.
the whole "Lewis was older than Tyson" thing is a stupid argument at best. One, he was less than a year older... Two, when Mike Tyson was ALREADY champ, and by 1988 was REIGNING champ for several years already with 30+ fights i.e. a full career for most boxers, Lennox Lewis was STILL in the amateurs and not turned pro yet... Likewise at this stage, Holyfield was not a professional heavyweight boxer either and had far less than 30 fights facing much smaller less hard hitting guys in the lighter weight divisions....
They are both great fighters and had their own eras where they were pretty unstoppable. Tyson had an early spark and lewis got better with age.. I think the tyson who lost against holyfield would have had a better shot at lewis no less a prime tyson. Tyson is a smaller fighter with a style that requires a lot of speed combinations and counters.. He had to be at his best, and his style is more of a young man's style. I don't think tyson had a chance in the stage he was in. Talking about who would in their primes.. Thats speculation.. People argue about it like its gospel.. We simply don't know because it didn't happen. Its as simple as that. I can just say that tyson was a lot quicker back than and would get inside and throw combinations with a lot of head movement and speed.. Would prime mike tyson beat a prime lewis.. We will never know.. I do think though that if they fought in the 80's Tyson would have won because I don't think lewis was in his actual prime then. Tyson was like one of those kid celebrities who could have been amazing actors with a great career but instead they vanished because they couldn't handle the life..
This guy actually talks like he thinks he would have beat Mike when his heart was in the ring. What a shame that he is so arrogant. Mike would have destroyed him if he actually wanted to fight at the time.
The reason Lennox Lewis is not considered greater , at least with American and other fans as well, is he played boxing like chess. Not in the ring but outside the ring. He played politics and never pushed to fight contemporaries while they were a true threat to him. Lewis's greatness was "on paper". He is the "paper GOAT". Sure he beat a totally washed up Tyson. Big deal. So he beat Holyfield. Should have knocked him out instead gets the bogus but close fight draw, and after that another UD. But one of the biggest heavyweight champions of all time can not knock out a blown up light heavyweight Holyfield at the tale end of his career. Vitalli Kletcheko exposed Lewis and with the final chance to show some praise worthy balls.... Nope, not gunna do it. He retires. So that's why!
I aint talking about Tyson. And don't ever say that Lewis "beat" Vitali. He won but he did not beat him. Lewis really had a chance in a rematch with Vitali to disprove all I say and what everyone says because it would have been a true test. But nope. And that's why
are you really trying to say that an old out of prime nearly retired Lennox Lewis at age 38 beating VItali in his prime isnt anything impressive? If Vitali struggle this much against an out of prime old lennox lewis, then I can guarantee that prime Lennox Lewis would had destroyed Vitali. And why would Lewis at 38 accept a rematch against Vitali, is he gonna box forever? He is old, he should retired, and he did. Also Lennox Lewis didnt dodge anyone, it was people who dodged him actually. Your saying Lennox Lewis dodge Tyson? Lennox wasnt even a professional boxer in the so called "prime Tyson" era which funnily enough he lost to douglas. Lennox didnt dodge anyone, and he beat everyone he fought. Easily top 5 hw of all time. Mike Tyson is one of the most overrated boxer of all time.
Out of shape and ring rusty Lewis destroyed Klitschko by using a style alien to him. Lewis wanted to retire after the Tyson fight as his heart for the sport was on decline. Lewis can't win, he was criticised for fighting on the outside and never taking punches, and against Klitschko he fought on the inside and was still criticised for getting hit too many times!!!
@@cofside FFS Lewis had Klitschko cut up to fuck in the early rounds, he would have ended the Ukrainians career if it had gone on such was the power of Lewis that day. Why anyone is talking about scorecards I'll never know. Briggs and possibly Bruno was leading on the scorecards before Lewis got on top of them nobody harps on about that. Did people really want Lewis to remove Klitschko's face?
Lewis didn't beat Mike, Mike lost to his life style.. when I say that, you have to give Lewis his props for continuous training and not getting caught up in the rockstar fame
All the people on here crying about Lewis beating a 'past his best Tyson'....the fight was in 2002 for fucks sake, Tyson was hardly an old man. You can't win with Tyson fans.....they have an excuse for every fight he lost. Bore off.
If they were fighting in the 80s Tyson would win. Simply because he was PRO heavyweight champion and Lewis still an amateur. But prime Lewis would win prime Tyson in any case. The only fighter that really posed a threat to Lewis was Vitaly, but Lewis was already past his prime during their fight.
Mike on he's prime would split Lewis and Holyfield in half. They both know that deep inside. Seriously who would beat Mike on he's prime?? I reckon not even Ali would on he's prime.
When Tyson lost to Buster Douglas in Feb 1990, Lennox had been a pro for only 8 months. Tyson's peak was mid-1988 against Michael Spinks; Lennox wasn't even a pro in 1988 and was busy winning an Olympic Gold Medal in Summer 1988! By saying Lennox didn't want Tyson in the '80s, you guys just make yourselves look like TOTAL IDIOTS!
Height advantage, reach advantage, medication advantage, plus all the other reasons already listed about Tyson's lack of heart at that time, his money problems, his life problems, his ongoing misery, his poor trainers, his poor management, his poor promoters. If they had fought when Tyson was in his prime Lewis would have been gone in 1 or 2 rounds. Now because they fought in Lewis's prime, when Tyson was only throwing single shots, he says he is the best. I don't think that's true at all. Lewis just got him at the right time when he was past caring and over-medicated. Lewis was always way too arrogant. Even after Haseem Rahman hit him with a beauty when he was showboating, he got up off the floor after being counted out and still claimed "There is no way this guy can beat me." His trainer had to tell him what happened.
Dude just admit he punished you when y'all sparred and stop talking like you fought Tyson at his best and not his most vulnerable time. You're giving a long explanation and not being very specific shows you're avoiding the full true answer.
prime prime prime all the fanboys have to say pmsl.....i liked Tyson as a fighter (in my top 10),but this prime shit is for casuals....if he fought anyone noteworthy in this prime,then we could have a measure,but he didnt..he was taken the distance several times in his prime and lost also....
Jason Daniel...You, my friend, are a prize tool, "if he fought anyone noteworthy"...Michael Spinks, Larry Holmes, James Smith, Trevor Berbick (World champion at the time, not noteworthy, eh?),Tyrell Biggs (An Olympic Gold medal is also noteworthy, you fucking idiot), I could go on some more, but there is no point debating somebody wearing blinkers of their own making.
Have anybody notice lennox Lewis nose been cricket since Mike Tyson Knock his ass out the ring when they first sparred lol 😂 he won’t show the full tape tho
Tyson was way past Prime when he fought Lewis.
He no longer wanted to fight. He needed money.
+Mr. Brownstone Yeah I'd like to see Lennox at his best VS Tyson at his best, Lewis isn't a chump but 2002 Mike Tyson is a completely different Tyson
He was addicted to cocaine too at the time
Mr. B that's right
Mr. B Lewis is 9 months older than Tyson what's the excuse now ?
RaPMeN ya I new you were a bitch
They sparred in 82-83 and few years later Mike Tyson becomes youngest heavyweight Champion of all time knocking everyone out, Tyson has over 30 fights and 9 successful title defences while Lewis is still an amateur learning his trade, and remember Lewis is a year older than Tyson, the only conclusion that can be made is throughout the 1980's Mike Tyson was far better than Lennox Lewis. Anyone who says anything different are just biased
And your not biased of course. PMSL.
Lewis was a late bloomer, he even says so himself.
Jay Star But the fact remains that Lewis became the far superior boxer - a prime Lewis vs a prime Tyson would see Lewis win most of the time. He knew how to handle brawlers
Ahh now, although I'd always pick the best Lewis to beat the best Tyson (Bring it on keyboard warriors....).
Tyson in his short lived prime was much more than a brawler, much more.
MbdslEst1964 actually that's fair enough, that does sell Tyson short. I guess "ultra aggressive types" would have been better.
Tyson in his prime would destroy every boxer in history!
Mike Tyson would have never beat George Foreman!!!
Peter Washington alex stewart beat george up yet tyson cant. sure...
thats the truth... he was invincible the speed/power/defense was second to no one.. His downfall was Robin givens/ Don King And firing His trainers( Kevin Rooney) . Mike Never reached his true potential--- he should have been undefeated.........
@@peterwashington4829 Yeah Foreman would the be guy I'd be afraid of
He would not have beat Lewis. Stop being an arrogant American.
lewis proved hard work..dedication..and a good brain makes you the best...
Nobody wanted to fight Tyson when he was mentally prepared and in his prime nobody Mike Tyson is the goat of boxing best to ever do it! 💯
this is probably why he waited untill 2002 instead of fighting him in the 80s
or 90s
Tyson in the 90's, post D'amato and Rooney, was nowhere near the same fighter he was in the mid to late 80's.
Lewis had his first pro fight in June 1989. You gotta build up to be a contender. July 1991 rape allegation ( bullshit starts ) so he's in jail till 1995. In 1991 Lewis was not really contender, He beat Gary Mason in Uk showdown, I think Mason was expected to win. was he not an underdog for that fight. When he k'od Ruddock late in 1992 he was underdog, Tyson was younger than him, but Tyson unified titles aged 20 in 1986, he was youngest ever, most fighters don't win title to later 20's probably.
lennox was winning a gold medal in the 80s. cut it out with that ducking shit.
carl T I seriously doubt Tyson paid 4 million to avoid a fight. Get the fuck out here with that bullshit.
Mike Tyson in his prime would have beat up Lennox Lewis..
When Lenox finally fought Mike Tyson he was a shell of what he used to be..
I love Lewis and I watched their fight live and Lewis may very well be the better of the two but when Lewis fought Tyson, Tyson was not even close to his prime. He was fighting for money at that point and only money - he had none of his old trainers, etc. I would have loved to see them fight in their prime but Tyson was a lot like Dempsey in that way. He was prime very young because his style required explosive precision. Precision is something that requires a ton of practice and upkeep and Tyson was just not committed at that point in history.
This is why lennox ducked tyson for years because lennox knew he wouldn't stand a chance against an 80s mike tyson.
You are deluded but if it makes you feel better to think that...
Is that the same Lewis who got paid to step aside so that Tyson could fight Foreman then? You idiot.
lewis was paid 4 million dollars and tyson also gave up his wbc belt cos TYSON didnt want to fight Lewis. Lewis friggin sued Tyson because he wanted to fight him. Bowe also gave up his wbc belts cos he didnt want to fight Lewis.
RSheen ofc he did....Mike just came out of jail he didnt fought for 2 years...he needed easier opponents to get back to rythm, Lewis wasnt one of them...
He ducked nobody.Why did Tyson's people pay him to step aside ??He was guaranteed the winner anyway?
Hollyfield, and Lewis dogged Mike until the end of his fighting career. If you look at mikes movement and foot work in his early fights compared to when he fought Lewis Mike was a totally different fighter.
Vincent Coleman cmon man he ain't beating Ali
Watch round 1 of Tyson v Holyfield, stop the tape then watch round 1 of Tyson v Berbick, no comparison between the two Tysons.
Know your facts, evander was scheduled to fight Mike in 90, then mike lost to douglas, and mike paid millions of dollars not to fight lennox, even vacated his WBC title, Mike knew he was overrated.
Over-rated ?, Lennox and Holyfield have stated Tyson was the man, until his mind went with marriage and rape charge, this is fact.
he still made it hard but was mentally weak! he was washed up at 27 u sayin?
When Tyson was in his prime, with D'Amato and Rooney, he would have destroyed Lewis in his prime. Prime Tyson had brilliant footwork and head movement and he barely got hit, and his ferociousness scared every one he fought, as his body shots broke ribs, and any headshot was a knockout. That Mike would have destroyed anyone in his era and since, including Hollyfield, Bowe, Klitchkos, Fury, Joshua etc. Even against Foreman, Frazier, Ali it would have been hard to call. He was untouchable in his prime years.
I'm not surprised he was a great fighter that was fighting mostly average fighters good fighters exposed his weaknesses
@@cag506 Shut up man, Oliver KO'd Lewis with one shot and that was Tyson's sparing partner. Love to see you fight Thomas, Spinks, Smith, Tucker and Berbick. I want to see how average they are since you're the brains here.
@@Rsam86 tillis douglas bonecrusher smith all exposed your prime mike, you can take it out of your mouth now
Awesome story and well done beating an out of shape semi-retired and quite honestly sick of boxing, Mike Tyson. Youre the man.
they where both old and out of shape lewis is older than tyson
Tyson peaked earlier, mike was undisputed champ when lewis was still an amature
Still bragging about the fight against a washed up Tyson with no stamina, no heart, no combinations and only in there for the money.
Btw, Tyson beat his ass when they were sparring that time.
He only did that in your dreams friend...dream on.
redprince1000 There is an interview with the trainers. They said about the same thing: Lewis got a beating. Even Lewis himself says that between the lines in this speech...
I`m 99% certain you are british because brits are fanatics about their own stuff.
I think everyone interprets this to his own taste.Look i like MT - a supreme athlete no doubt.I heard that Lewis got the better of the sparring over the course of the week.Who knows?
redprince1000 Their trainers know.
That they do.
Moral of the story...wait until your opponent becomes an old man and then go for the KILL!
And be someone that doesn't age either....oh wait.
Lennox was an old man too. Lennox was one of the best. All of you have to accept it. He defeated all of boxers. Even he was 38 years old, gave an amazing fight to 31 years old prime Vitali. And Vitali was damn good boxer too!
Tyson is one year younger than lewis
You mean on drugs and on Zoloft? 88 Mike and LL would get stopped in less than 4 with the win going to Tyson. sparing partner at best. LL lost to Oliver and that was Tysons spring partner.
"Lewis the best of all time" - George Foreman.
Regardless on who people think is better is a matter of opinion but one thing is certain that both Tyson and Lewis are amazing fighters and are both one of the greatest boxers of all time, much respect to these two legends.
Mike's pretty humble about all this and is mature enough to just let things go and not get heated over what Lennox or Evander have to say about beating him in the past (Lennox definitely seems like he tries to sneak it into every convo to this day when someone asks him about Tyson).
Mike was a different animal back then; I do really believe Lennox took this into consideration, as he is a year older than Tyson but stayed in the am's and focused on going for gold when around the same time Tyson went pro and became the youngest (still is, too) heavyweight champion of all-time, instead of going pro. I mean he got knocked out in sparring with Tyson. Rooney says he became a brawler and who took shots when originally Tyson's style was truly to slip and use footwork to barely get touched when angling enough to set up knockout punches.
But I always do believe Cus knew that Lewis was going to become a stylistic horror since Lewis was a true outboxer who was much taller than Tyson (who, especially by the early 2000s-now era is a very small HW). If Tyson was going to beat Lewis, it would've had to been when Lewis didn't put on mass (by the late 90s to early 2000s the HW division champs were competing up to 240 pounds, Tyson was never this big or tall)
and even Tyson said his style was truly a "young man's style" in one of the documentaries up on Netflix, if I recall correctly. Slipping to set up knockout punches from the peakaboo requires a lot of fast-paced energy expenditure and younger reflexes; this is simply not an old-school style that carries efficiency to allow you to be crafty and keep you long in the game (like Bernard Hopkin's style, for example). Even the hand placement to only covers the chin is dangerous considering you're having to slip an occasional take hits to the forehead to gain advantageous angles, it's fine when you're young, but when you lose those younger reflexes those occasional hits to the forehead becoe more frequent an you feel em a lot more. I mean, this was a style Cus truly developed on what was kinda the cutting edge new approach to old-school boxing (and kinda stayed with Cus to his deathbed).
Lewis and Tyson are both great students of the game who got educated by true old-school gurus of boxing and they both must've known given time where Lewis would naturally gain mass and professional craft in honing his lengthy outboxing, and Tyson just naturally getting slower for the peakaboo style to be effective as he aged that stylistically Lewis was going to beat him.
Even in the 80's traditional boxing logic would've given the fight to the taller outboxer in Lewis, but Mike was a bit of a genetic mutant in how athletic he really was and he was mentally just game whereas it was apparent Lewis would rather stay in the am's instead.
And that's not factoring in all the other stuff (jail, money, trainers, whatever) that Mike went through. Just knowing your boxing Lewis was always gonna be a problem for Mike, even in the 80's. But the raw talent, athleticism, focus, and confidence that Cus built for him (Tyson always operated on stress, not inherent confidence like what Ali or even Floyd Jr have) was what would've given Tyson the win if they met real early in a pro career (but Lewis' trainers were all too smart to let that happen).
Very well said my friend very well said
Where were u Wenox in 88 ? Its like Holmes saying he 'beat ' ali. He beat a shell of a figjter.
Tru/but Tyson was knocked out before jail plus had a DRAW with James Tillis in 86
@is my mask on crooked so ? Try to stay on the subject we're talkin Wennox vs Tyson
@@daveyboy_ I'm not sure who wennox is /was he any good ?
Lennox Lewis at his peak the best he was vs Tyson at his peak the best he was//in a trilogy Lennox Lewis takes it best of 10 Lennox Lewis wins end of discussion
@is my mask on crooked how could he take best of 10 in a trilogy? Christ yeah , end of discussion for sure
@@daveyboy_ in a trilogy OR best of 10 👍
And just a few more things. Tyson's real prime was from his 1st fight up until the Spinks fight. After that fight he fired Kevin Roony and he was in decline from that point on as it reared it's head in Tokyo not long after. To say nothing about the Tyson that showed up after prison. The after prison Tyson was already washed up and the Tyson Lewis fought was a total joke and every boxing expert knew this. The real question is could Lewis in his prime beat a Tyson in his prime. If they fought before the decline of Tyson, Mike would have beat Lewis EZ. But then that's not fair to Lewis because Lewis didn't hit his prime until the mid to late 90's. Tyson's bad habits ruined it for boxing fans because I think a prime Tyson vs a prime Holyfield and prime Lewis would have givin us some of the greatest fights in history.
Coach Rambo Tyson beat Bruno's ass in his first fight after Rooney and again after prison and Bruno said he'd rather fight Lewis 5 times than Tyson once so Tyson wasn't in much decline vs Bruno.
He also KOd Williams, Tillman and Ruddock after Rooney so don't shit on the post Rooney Mike just because Douglas embarrassed him.
correct
fought Tyson at his low. And ducked Tyson for as long as he could that's why he didn't trun pro when Tyson did. Look it up Tyson knocked him out in sparring.
Should of fought in 1996...Tyson relinquished WBC & paid Lewis 4 million in 1996 and fought bruce seldon for WBA
Its the other way round dummy,
Tyson knew Lennox had his number.
He ducked Lennox in 1996, relinquished his WBC & paid Lennox $4 million dollars. Instead he fought Bruce Seldon
+Gilbert Juarez Link it then..
+Tom Star Gazer Stop spreading half truths. Lewis refused $13 million to fight Tyson... but then accepted $4million step aside fee. #DUMB.
He asked for $30 million back then
unirave when ?
I never liked Lenox but I didn't really know why. Now I do. Thanks comment section👍
Why don’t u like Lennox?
@@swiftlessytvlogs5637 I really don't remember. This comment was from like 3 years ago.
@@HaightTheGreat 😂 fair enough
Everyone on here saying Tyson was past his prime but forget besides Holyfield who used a basic boxer vs puncher strategy to beat him Tyson destroyed golata Botha before he even stepped in there with Lewis Tyson wasn’t past his prime Lewis was underrated his boxing IQ was probably one of the greatest he’s definitely a top 5 Lennox the lion lewis
Powerful Lennox Lewis
Lol so laughable the comments, Tyson paid not to fight Lewis twice!! He didn't want no part of him, Then again all these Tyson fan's clearly don't know there history, Lewis ALWAYS would've owned Tyson
All the people saying "nobody could live with a prime Mike Tyson", Tucker and Smith took him the distance in his prime and they weren't the best in that era. I do think that Tyson probably wins in a fight with Lennox but only because Lewis doesn't have a chin, boxing wise I think Lewis is better and he too had awesome power.
I agree with what you said except for Tucker and Smith not being the best in their Era They were the champions at the time they lost to Tyson So they were The best of the best until Tyson beat them
mike Tyson sir we love you..... your the really boxer...
Lewis vs Tyson should of happened in 1996. But Tyson relinquished his WBC & paid Lennox 4 million to fight Bruce Seldon for the WBA title instead
Tom Star Gazer Facts
+Tom Star Gazer Much a agreed, however... if Tyson never went to prison and washed up and they fought when they're were suppose to, THEN WHO WINS THE FIGHT?
Wat Youthought It's a differcult one, they fought twice in sparring as teenagers. Tyson dominated in early rounds, but Lewis had successes after first couple of rounds.
I'm not gonna say Lewis had Tyson number because Tyson owned the big stage & would of been to his advantage.
But it would off been a great fight.
It's a shame they developed at different times with Tyson turning pro 4/5 yrs earlier than Lewis.
I'd probably put my money on Tyson.
But I can't help but wonder,
Razor Rudduck fought good fights against Tyson & he was Lewis sparring partner & Lewis was the better of the two.
Wat Youthought
Tyson strenghts:
*Speed
*Big Event
*Power
*Elusiveness
*Jaw
Tyson Weaknesses:
*Determination
*Bronchitis
*Questioning Belief in himself in long fights/ confidence
Lewis strenghts:
*Jabs
*Controlling the range
*Determination
*Jaw
*adjust to Inside & outside strategy
*caused cuts with hooks
Weaknesses:
*Sometimes caught of balance
*Irresponsible in movement
*Relying to much on Jab
*In early career didn't throw as many hooks
+Tom Star Gazer Hmm, good insight. Where did you hear the stuff about Tyson dominating the early rounds and Lennox later ones?
Mike will go down in history as the baddest of all time. No one will remember your name Lewis.
havocmaster69 maybe by boxing casuals like you.
Lewis failed to mention that Tyson knocked him out during sparring
Because he didn't.
Perhaps you could learn to talk like an adult instead of a street punk.You just made yourself sound like an imbecile.Have a nice day.Man.
From your posts i can conclude two things:
~you are incapable of debate and probably suffer from an inferiority complex
~you are preoccupied with homosexual thoughts.
Perhaps you are on the wrong web pages?!
Just my observations.
Grow up - you are showing yourself up for the little ghetto boy that you are.Get a life please.Now run along son.
Run along now before your mama realises that you have been on the internet again unsupervised.No point in replying as you are now blocked...sorry son but i cannot justify wasting another moment on a piece of ghetto trash like yourself.You cant even spell properly.Goodbye.
I really believe that Mike Tyson in his prime would defeat any heavyweight boxer from the past and the current in their prime.
Big ups to Lennox for fighting mike after he won the championship.
He is a neat Gentleman and crushed all most every odds completely😈😈undestructable
I see he ain't being honest, Mike had checked out way before they fought... life was in shambles... he fought a shell of Mike... and he fucking knows that
The thing i remember most about the Tyson-Lewis fight is that Tyson barely tried. It was like he was on medication. His heart was not in the fight. And in the end he walked into the KO, basically forcing Lewis to put him out his misery. The reason why i think Tyson would beat Lennox in his prime, is because Lennox was knocked out by lesser fighters. Its hard to dodge bombs coming from a well tuned Tyson, as opposed to a volume-induced Mike
lesser fighters?…nah man, styles makes fights. period. Lennox was crafty, strong & had dynamite for a jab (with way longer reach). Lennox was overall superior.
Lewis was paid 13 million not to fight Tyson.people around Tyson knew Lewis was better.tyson as a kid was exciting as hell but I think he scared people into not thinking. Buster Douglas showed how to beat him.subsequently he was always beat by people who were boxers or nasty frustrating boxers like Holyfield who in my opinion was the true warrior in that era.lewis was the best boxer.bow had the greatest potential
To buster Douglas and his loss was due to the fact that don King made him fire his normal trainers (the ones he had when Cus D'Amato was around...He lost to Holyfield after his jail and not training etc. He should have retired before the Holyfield fight but needed money...
He was paid $4 million not $13 million
Topp Dogg He’s probably taking inflation into consideration.
Lennox knows how to tell a story man "Well he lives up in Catskill" awesome.
The young focus Tyson would've knock him out early. The old Tyson caught him, but he took it well.
Getting better Year by Year is the most effective than getting worser day by day😂😂😂😂Lenox long live
*History lesson:* Mike Tyson relinquished his WBA/WBC title (I forget which) and paid Lennox Lewis NOT to fight him ~1996.
*Lewis was the mandatory #1 contender* . Lewis didn't duck anyone. The only way you LOSE A TITLE in boxing is either in the ring or by not fighting the mandatory challengers in front of you.
There is no way in hell that Lennox Lewis would've been able to win against Mike Tyson in the late 80s
Susan Trad _ take the best Lewis back in time to face the best Tyson and who'd win? I say Lewis.
mike tyson so famous worldwide more than any athlete on the planet...but here is the thing you ask a 80 yr old lady or man in india who don't have tv ever in there house you ask them do you know mike tyson..they are gonna say that boxer ..thats how much he is famous..baddest looking man on the planet..nobody can beat his record nobody and his style of boxing ohh please don't even try to go there.most powerful name on the planet tyson.thats why i name my son tyson
Interesting stuff!
What Lennox forgot to mention when he spared with tyson in the Catskills he got knocked out ,,,
Is there anywhere I can pay for a recording of the evening and download it to my laptop or device? Seemed like a fantastic event. Big up Lennox Lewis for putting it on and helping people. The pugilistic specialist
To me Lewis is a Top 3 fighter of all time and one could make an EZ case he was actually the best if you consider he would have prolly handled even a prime Ali since he was basically the same thing minus alil speed add much more size and power. But come on Lewis, even you must know the Tyson you beat was nothing more than a shadow of the fighter that was once considered to be on his way to being the greatest fighter ever, a prime Mike Tyson. You'd gain much respect from fans of your like myself if you'd say something of the sort in the public eye. I'm not trying to take that win away from you but you know as well as any the Tyson you really wanted to fight was the 88 Tyson and that guy didn't show up to your fight.
Coach Rambo lol you're crazy.a prime Ali would've ran circles around Lewis.
this guy has always been the most boring heavyweight to watch,and so up himself.My favourite fights of his is when he got K.O'ed by mcall and rahman,and also the beating he took from vitali klitschko.Lewis the former heavyweight chump
The beating he took from klitshko ? He smashed klitshko to bits
Louaiga74 I couldn't agree with you more
amen
Do you remember what he did to Rahman?
Asad Masood and vice versa
Lennox gder nobre forte tcno exemplo junto jorg fornima diferenca herois planeta
Incredible how Cus D'Amato knew they were gonna fight against each other professionally one day
As many of you say, Tyson was another boxer in the 80's, even in the early 90's. If you ask any expert in boxing, you will listen a very different story about what would have happened if Tyson confronts any of the fighters he lose againts in his pre-prison career. Ali, Foreman.. whatever, nothing seems as dominant as Tyson in his golden years
So what you just said you was training for tyson the whole time when he was in his prime knocking people out but then fought him when he was well past his peak!!!! and your trying to claim to be the best heavyweight of that era!!!Come on lennox always was a big fan of yours but this has made me think diffrent
This is the guy Riddick Bowe absolutely fears to this day.
Lennox has become more palatable over time. I felt like he was ‘full of it’, when he was younger, but that is pretty usual for the sport I guess. When you expect witty banter (ie Ali), or stoic menace (ie Liston, Hagler, Tyson), then anything in between will disappoint.
Lennox Lewis is a classy guy.
Respect
He waited Mike out, definately wanted no part of him in his prime.
dream fight would be prime Tyson vs. prime Frazier
I've got one better... prime tyson vs prime ali.
Steven Gonzales there are so many dream fights...
prime tyson vs david tua / ali / fraizer / forman / shavers / rocky marciano
these will be entertaning to watch unlike todays fights!
nope, there is only one dream fight and cosmo kramer said it
Frazier was one of my favorite fighters, a lot of heart, but he lead with his head, and I could be wrong, but I think Tysons power would have destroyed him.
I don't think Marvis Frazier ever fought again after the beating he took from Tyson. Theres probably a few more also like Spinks.
Even Lewis after his fight with Tyson in the ring, said graciously that he could not beat Tyson in his prime, and at Lewis's prime he stated he had now beaten Tyson. It was really an anti-climax not should of been an Ali-Frazier.
i've no doubt Lewis is one of the winningest hw boxers of all time, but i have to admit his boxe was at least boring to see, whileTyson's or even Holyfield's was a pleasure and so delightful
Yes Lewis's waited until mike was not at his prime , why did it take years for him then to fight mike??
Preach Lennox /
And he did start fighting like that too putting his hands down not bobbing and weaving i cannot believe the goal was to go 100-0 cus, jimmy jacobs, kevin rooney this was their plan.
Lennox you fought him when he was a shadow of himself
Lennox you fought Mike when he was well past his prime.
i think both great fighters tyson with his leverage and power and lewis, they wayhe used his height and reach
Lewis/Evander fought a has been Tyson....they both make a big thing out of it.. He wasn't the same Tyson, money was motivating him to fight.....
The fact was that He waited so long to sign the papers.
How convenient he Never mentions how tyson knocked him out during sparring........ Give Lewis credit for being ring smart when he fights -- he picks his opponents carefully as does Mayweather.........
Tyson in his prime would have killed Lewis...
if he could have kept his head any and everyone
No i don't agree - Tony Tucker stretched MT and LL would have done the same.Too big,too confident and too good.Wouldv'e been a great fight though.
When did Tony Stretch Mike?
They went 12 rnds in a title fight...TT took MT the distance in a good fight.
Wildman Samurai would of been good lennox is huge Tyson would of always struggled with Lewis size
You know ,when a HOF Boxer is telling a story maybe you should give him respect and listen . He's up there talking and the crowd sounds like they are talking amongst themselves. If I was Lennox I would have been pissed
Lennox was indeed a mighty boxer, however, had he ever got in the ring with a prime Mike Tyson; the outcome would have been very different!
Every athlete hits a peak. Unfortunately for Mike he peaked at 20 years of age and although he was winning after that, he was slowly becoming blunt and not as sharp as when Cus was around. By the time Lewis and Holyfield for Tyson, there was a huge decline in Tysons performance. Just the power was there, he's probably still has got his power.
A lot of shit spoken here, Lewis learnt how to beat him in the several days he sparred with him when they were young. That's why Tyson avoided Lewis for so long.
did that story even make sense....just a bunch of rambling old memories
Joe egan story seems to be conflicting 😂 he said that Mike knocked Lennox spark out..😂 Lennox worked on his craft and kept his head on in the end in a decorated career.both lefends now.big up!
In retrospect I do think Tyson would have struggled against Lewis even in his prime but the difference is with Lewis's tendency to drop his hands and against a young and hungry Tyson that would have been fatal .People forget that Tyson after he won the championship he began to gradually decline because of his tendency to not train as hard after he essentially cleaned out the division.And then when he finally was beaten badly by Douglas I think his confidence was shattered permanently .He never was very good with adversity,if he was beating someone fairly well he was fine but if someone began to fight back he was not that sharp so nah Lewis would have weathered the storm and came on in the later rounds and knocked Mike out although I do recognize it would have been a better fight had it happened early in their careers instead the fight we got where Lewis just dominated.
DaveAllenSpeaks NOT
In reading everyone's comments, everyone thinks Tyson would of beat Lewis in Tyson's prime. Lewis claims he wanted the fight for several years and Mike ducked him. Who knows if that's true. Tyson did not care about fighting at all when they finally meet. So who knows?
Tyson didn't move as well after prison. He had an "early prime" like a point-guard in basketball he relied on quickness and speed... A bigger taller man like Lennox Lewis and George Foreman can fight at a high-level into his 30's or even 40's, Mike Tyson peaked in his 20's.
sir mike Tyson was knocked out before jail
@@active.7universal yeah once, with a bunch of clowns running his training camp and cornering him (they didn't even have an eye swell). And Buster was down for 12 seconds with a slow count, that is something to remember too. Tyson did have an early prime.
@@Sassonic Tyson had a DRAW vs James Tillis and struggled with one handed tony tucker//Tyson was my dude I use to watch all his bouts at my grandma's house but Truth be told boxing is more mental than physical period and Tyson mentality was his down fall .. you don't throw countless low blows vs razor when things don't go your way /you don't bite when you get headbutted//.. other excuses I hear is oh well Tyson was having sex all night or he was on drugs..
@@Sassonic buster was going by the count with the ref 1
2.tyson also had a long count
3 what kept Tyson from outboxing buster when buster got up
4 it was a knockdown
5.tyson was knocked out stopped
@@Sassonic adversity is when the fight begins//nobody can box for you when you are in the ring
Lewis is too arrogant, in sparring mike tyson knocked him out of the ring, i hope this footage surfaces and becomes widespread because whilst its true lennox beat a drugged up tyson he would never go the distance with a prime tyson, if rahman can ko lewis with 1 overhand right punch then tyson can ko him with a jab.
bottom line //both at peak Lennox at his peak Tyson at his peak/Lennox Lewis takes the trilogy or best of 10..
the whole "Lewis was older than Tyson" thing is a stupid argument at best. One, he was less than a year older... Two, when Mike Tyson was ALREADY champ, and by 1988 was REIGNING champ for several years already with 30+ fights i.e. a full career for most boxers, Lennox Lewis was STILL in the amateurs and not turned pro yet... Likewise at this stage, Holyfield was not a professional heavyweight boxer either and had far less than 30 fights facing much smaller less hard hitting guys in the lighter weight divisions....
They are both great fighters and had their own eras where they were pretty unstoppable. Tyson had an early spark and lewis got better with age.. I think the tyson who lost against holyfield would have had a better shot at lewis no less a prime tyson. Tyson is a smaller fighter with a style that requires a lot of speed combinations and counters.. He had to be at his best, and his style is more of a young man's style. I don't think tyson had a chance in the stage he was in. Talking about who would in their primes.. Thats speculation.. People argue about it like its gospel.. We simply don't know because it didn't happen. Its as simple as that. I can just say that tyson was a lot quicker back than and would get inside and throw combinations with a lot of head movement and speed.. Would prime mike tyson beat a prime lewis.. We will never know.. I do think though that if they fought in the 80's Tyson would have won because I don't think lewis was in his actual prime then. Tyson was like one of those kid celebrities who could have been amazing actors with a great career but instead they vanished because they couldn't handle the life..
This guy actually talks like he thinks he would have beat Mike when his heart was in the ring. What a shame that he is so arrogant. Mike would have destroyed him if he actually wanted to fight at the time.
The reason Lennox Lewis is not considered greater , at least with American and other fans as well, is he played boxing like chess. Not in the ring but outside the ring. He played politics and never pushed to fight contemporaries while they were a true threat to him. Lewis's greatness was "on paper". He is the "paper GOAT". Sure he beat a totally washed up Tyson. Big deal. So he beat Holyfield. Should have knocked him out instead gets the bogus but close fight draw, and after that another UD. But one of the biggest heavyweight champions of all time can not knock out a blown up light heavyweight Holyfield at the tale end of his career. Vitalli Kletcheko exposed Lewis and with the final chance to show some praise worthy balls.... Nope, not gunna do it. He retires. So that's why!
cofside and he ducked Vladimir Klitscho
I aint talking about Tyson. And don't ever say that Lewis "beat" Vitali. He won but he did not beat him. Lewis really had a chance in a rematch with Vitali to disprove all I say and what everyone says because it would have been a true test. But nope. And that's why
are you really trying to say that an old out of prime nearly retired Lennox Lewis at age 38 beating VItali in his prime isnt anything impressive? If Vitali struggle this much against an out of prime old lennox lewis, then I can guarantee that prime Lennox Lewis would had destroyed Vitali. And why would Lewis at 38 accept a rematch against Vitali, is he gonna box forever? He is old, he should retired, and he did. Also Lennox Lewis didnt dodge anyone, it was people who dodged him actually. Your saying Lennox Lewis dodge Tyson? Lennox wasnt even a professional boxer in the so called "prime Tyson" era which funnily enough he lost to douglas. Lennox didnt dodge anyone, and he beat everyone he fought. Easily top 5 hw of all time. Mike Tyson is one of the most overrated boxer of all time.
Out of shape and ring rusty Lewis destroyed Klitschko by using a style alien to him. Lewis wanted to retire after the Tyson fight as his heart for the sport was on decline. Lewis can't win, he was criticised for fighting on the outside and never taking punches, and against Klitschko he fought on the inside and was still criticised for getting hit too many times!!!
@@cofside FFS Lewis had Klitschko cut up to fuck in the early rounds, he would have ended the Ukrainians career if it had gone on such was the power of Lewis that day. Why anyone is talking about scorecards I'll never know. Briggs and possibly Bruno was leading on the scorecards before Lewis got on top of them nobody harps on about that.
Did people really want Lewis to remove Klitschko's face?
Mike was way past his prime , Lennox you need to be honest .
Lewis didn't beat Mike, Mike lost to his life style.. when I say that, you have to give Lewis his props for continuous training and not getting caught up in the rockstar fame
To be fair though Lennox didn't have the rockstar fame the way Tyson did not even close.
All the people on here crying about Lewis beating a 'past his best Tyson'....the fight was in 2002 for fucks sake, Tyson was hardly an old man. You can't win with Tyson fans.....they have an excuse for every fight he lost. Bore off.
as soon as robin givens showed up ..mike was finishedlennox fought him after that...way way way afer
Lewis basically admitted Mike beat his ass in sparring.
If they were fighting in the 80s Tyson would win. Simply because he was PRO heavyweight champion and Lewis still an amateur. But prime Lewis would win prime Tyson in any case. The only fighter that really posed a threat to Lewis was Vitaly, but Lewis was already past his prime during their fight.
The person that could beat Lewis was Riddick Bowe
Mike on he's prime would split Lewis and Holyfield in half. They both know that deep inside. Seriously who would beat Mike on he's prime?? I reckon not even Ali would on he's prime.
He'll never reach the legend TYSON has.,never,u didn't fight TYSON u fought HIS drug addled shadow.
The champion that was never famous, bitter towards Joshua’s success.
When Tyson lost to Buster Douglas in Feb 1990, Lennox had been a pro for only 8 months.
Tyson's peak was mid-1988 against Michael Spinks; Lennox wasn't even a pro in 1988 and was busy winning an Olympic Gold Medal in Summer 1988! By saying Lennox didn't want Tyson in the '80s, you guys just make yourselves look like TOTAL IDIOTS!
Yeah Lennox dont mention the fact that you did not fight Tyson untill SIXTEEN YEARS after he won the Belt.. zzzz zzzzz
Tyson would have won in his prime
Height advantage, reach advantage, medication advantage, plus all the other reasons already listed about Tyson's lack of heart at that time, his money problems, his life problems, his ongoing misery, his poor trainers, his poor management, his poor promoters. If they had fought when Tyson was in his prime Lewis would have been gone in 1 or 2 rounds. Now because they fought in Lewis's prime, when Tyson was only throwing single shots, he says he is the best. I don't think that's true at all. Lewis just got him at the right time when he was past caring and over-medicated. Lewis was always way too arrogant. Even after Haseem Rahman hit him with a beauty when he was showboating, he got up off the floor after being counted out and still claimed "There is no way this guy can beat me." His trainer had to tell him what happened.
Dude just admit he punished you when y'all sparred and stop talking like you fought Tyson at his best and not his most vulnerable time. You're giving a long explanation and not being very specific shows you're avoiding the full true answer.
Lenon jorg foriman Unicos
prime prime prime all the fanboys have to say pmsl.....i liked Tyson as a fighter (in my top 10),but this prime shit is for casuals....if he fought anyone noteworthy in this prime,then we could have a measure,but he didnt..he was taken the distance several times in his prime and lost also....
Jason Daniel...You, my friend, are a prize tool, "if he fought anyone noteworthy"...Michael Spinks, Larry Holmes, James Smith, Trevor Berbick (World champion at the time, not noteworthy, eh?),Tyrell Biggs (An Olympic Gold medal is also noteworthy, you fucking idiot), I could go on some more, but there is no point debating somebody wearing blinkers of their own making.
Have anybody notice lennox Lewis nose been cricket since Mike Tyson Knock his ass out the ring when they first sparred lol 😂 he won’t show the full tape tho