My guess is he was traded to Philly, saw that Torts was the coach, he and Torts never got along so Ryan decided to make up an excuse to not report to the team. Likely there's clear evidence of Ryan participating in activities he would not be able to if he in fact had a hip injury and they're disputing his contract due to faking an injury.
Shannon hardly ever makes a mistake, but the Blues are loading up on young talent. I think they are 2-3 years away, but they are certainly building a good young core
At forward they’re developing talent pool is in good shape. They’re also in good shape in goal. On defense is where their development pool is lacking in terms of guys that are only 1-2 years away. Lidstein is the only guy in that category with top-4 potential. (I don’t see Perunovich, Kessel, or Tucker as anything but potential bottom pairing guys.) They drafted several early round defensemen this year, but those guys are all 3-4 years away, if they pan out. That’s why getting Broberg was so important.
The reason why so many hockey players play golf is that their contracts often prohibit them from participating in almost every other sport in the offseason.
And for those fellows who grew up in cold climates of Canada, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, and Russia, it’s probably a treat for them to play a non-contact, fun game in nice weather!
@@OldRustySteele I'm sure a lot of them get a taste for it, between it being on the only non-hockey sport they're allowed to indulge in and all the charity/celeb golf tournaments they can take part in. By the time they retire some of them have bodies so broken down they soon have a hard time playing golf let alone any other sport.
The Blues are actually beginning to build the under 24 talent maybe a bit more than you think. Particularly adding in last year's and this year's draft to the guys on the roster currently, i.e. Thomas, Kyrou, Neighbors, Hofer, Kessel, Bolduc, Perunovich, w Snuggerud getting added later in '24-25 season.
Thank you, holy crap how does our farm system fly so under the radar? former 1st rounders 25 and under on Blues or in system Thomas Holloway Broberg Neighbours Bolduc Dean Snuggerud Dvorsky Stenberg Lindstein Jiricek PO Joseph That’s 12 guys that are under 25 and are former 1st rounders. I also really don’t think that young talent is the void in our organization lmao. This retool looks to have some shape and bite to it now.
Don't forget Dvorsky, Dean, Lindstein, Jiricek, and PekarchikI couldn't believe it when he said the Blues don't have any prospects. This is the best pipeline the Blues have ever had!
@@bgcharade It's precisely the same as someone saying that Bouchard lacks defensively where the evidence would state otherwise that he's been great at both ends of the ice. People tend to hold onto beliefs and are resistant to change them.
As an oilers fan, I’m okay without matching either Holloway or Broberg. This allows us to be cap compliant without Kane on LTIR to start the season which means(depending on other injuries) we can accrue cap space for the deadline. I think Emberson is actually a decent bet, posting good underlying metrics on a brutal sharks team and also being a natural right side. Podkolizin is no Holloway, but we have guys like Lavoie and Savoie who I think could fill that role sooner rather than later. Also it means that we aren’t stuck with an extra 6.5M on the books while we try to extend Leon and Bouch
@@brianyoung3 I mean ceci has been a whipping boy in Edmonton for a while. I also think management really liked Emberson and Ceci was the cost as it’s likely the sharks want some vets on the team. Also gives us the cap space to be able to bring in Kane whenever he’s healthy without sending money down/out.
I would disagree that St. Louis doesn't have good young prospects. They were on the cover of THN Futures Issue last year and have a ton of young guys on the way.
Yeah. Their D and GK prospects seem just okay / kind of good, but not legitimately bad. Their F prospect group is actually very strong. No truly elite prospect but 4 or 5 or 6 future 2nd or 3rd liners
Shannon, as a real old dude who became a Blues fan in 1968, the jersey you’re wearing today is my favorite. The road white makes The Blue Note stand out even better! It’s what I wore 5 years ago when we finally won Lord Stan’s Can !!!! 🎉
Great move by the Blues and I think the right move by the Oilers. They have to approach it from the standpoint of Draisaitl and Bouchard being up for contract next season, if they resigned both players it would really hamper their ability to keep both Drai and Bouch next offseason. For the Blues if they can get the Holloway and Broberg that showed up these last playoffs and have them perform tbat way consistently then the assets given up are more than worth it. There is a world this works out for both teams in the end despite the taboo around offer sheets.
The only reason that both Broberg and Holloway accepted the offer sheets was greed. There definitely wasn't any loyalty to the Oilers. Broberg was looking for a trade, and he knew the Oilers would have given him a lower value two-way 'bridge' contract, so he jumped when STL offered all that money on a one way contract. Broberg would have been poison in the Oilers' dressing room anyways. Holloway was also going to get a low value two-way 'bridge' contract; he had the option of rejecting the offer sheet, but he showed his loyalty to the Oilers by accepting. He was hoping to force the Oilers into matching the offer. He gambled, but it was a win-win situation, as far as he was concerned.
@@craigpetroskey8934 i would want to see you decline 250% pay rise to do same elsewhere and get more time... historicly teams offers 0 loyalty also (look at stamkos)
@@scottgordon1821 Offer sheets make compensation mandatory. The level of compensation depends upon the contract value. The secondary trade was an effort to keep Edmonton from retaliation in the future.
In his press conference, Doug Armstrong indicated that the Oilers agreed to the Fischer and draft pick deal and said that they would, therefore, not match either of the offer sheeted players.
@@trustinrain5623 Defensemen take much longer to develop. It's much harder position to learn. He's still only 23 and one of the best D men skaters in the league. 23 year old left hand defensemen don't fall out of the sky. And he was making the Oilers line up pretty dang consistently in the cup finals, Eh? Upside is high, only locked in for 2 years.
Give you my hot take on Demko. I think he is one more serious Injury away from getting traded up outta here. His contract comes up at the same time as Hughes, whose number will start with a 12. By then Silovs will slide in as the starter. It's Markstrom all over again.
I know I'd be excited to get a 400% raise...I'm glad we finally got a new young Dman who is ready to hit his prime and this didn't go sideways like the Krug/Sanheim trade last year.
Hopefully he works out for the Blues, problem is the sample size for him currently is so small, never a regular role with only what, 81 regular season games under his belt?
Oilers fan. I'm actually fine with what the team chose to do. Shipping Ceci out and bringing in Emberson who is young, cheap, and may actually be quite good. Fact is, Broberg and Holloway for $7m is just too much money and letting them go gives us a lot more cap flexibility to wait and see what exactly we'll need or who may be available. I think the Oilers, after moving Ceci, threatened the Blues with matching one or both players so St. Louis gave them the player and additional pick to back off. Our blueline is slightly worse, no doubt, but Broberg at $4.5m either plays 3LHD (then, where does Kulak go?) or plays on his off-side at 2RHD. Neither is ideal.
Savoie had two seasons with buffalo where he had every opportunity to make the team but was injured both times.(not his fault, but the world turns as it does.) now he’ll have a clear path to being a significant part of the oilers efforts this year. Hope he stays healthy, glad he’s playing in the west.
@Marixa1979 one of him or Lavoie will more than likely make the team. They'll want to pace the aging depth. My guess is they'll rotate depth out to let them rest.
Down in the AHL, Springfield needs a better coach, after Bannister replaced Berube. The T-Birds were awful down the stretch, and they need goaltending. Otherwise, they do have a decent prospect pipeline.
Oilers fans were split between signing one or both or neither. The oil weren’t close to giving them that kind of money. Oilers need to win now regardless, neither guys are difference makers the next couple years.
With the trades Edmonton has done since the offersheets came in, I thought they'd match at least one of them. Shoutout to St. Louis for getting their guys.
I think the Oilers are more counting on players they've picked up or have in the minors filling Holloway and Broberg's roles while leaving Kane off LTIR so they'll have more cap room at the deadline. Other than Savoie Broberg and Holloway have more upside than the guys that'll take their places but not necessarily better than those cheaper options this year. So basically it's the best move for the next 2 years but hurts after that
I think the Oilers had to let them go. No way you can have those contracts with McDavid and Leon coming up. Also would be one hell of a weird locker room with those two taking cuts and those guys getting a bag for what their comps would be.
i opened twitter this morning excited to see how the oilers/st. louis drama ended up playing out, and was instead greeted with a crisis about thatcher demko 😭
@@Marixa1979Oilers fans were hating on the Canucks and our fanbase from literally day 1 last year. Yet they made the Stanley Cup Final. This is sanctimonious bullshit, nothing more.
I was really excited to see what both Broberg and Holloway were going to accomplish this season for the Oilers, but I knew if they did as well as I hoped that the Oilers couldn't afford them going forward. Broberg's agent said multiple teams were moving on offer sheets and I think the Oilers tried their best to sign him for what they could afford, and Broberg clearly wanted more money and responsibility sooner than Edmonton could offer, so to me it was all kind of an inevitability. I'm glad to see them move on from Ceci, I'm excited by Emberson, and I think that Edmonton is in a great position with the other additions in the off-season and the ability to add on defense at the deadline - I think they'll be a better overall playoff team than last year.
Who are they going to add at the deadline on the blueline? Top D are being horded by teams and Edmonton just gave up on a young guy that is projecting towards being one.
@@ABC-sc2ip Idk, but they got some considerable millions and picks to work with and lots of time for a guy somewhere to request a trade out of where they are
Oilers are building a team first culture. Broberg and Holloway clearly wanted no part of that and they signed offer sheets turning the screws on the team that developed them. No way the Oilers were matching those offers. You just can’t overpay tweeners when you are expecting team friendly deals from your core. Broberg couldn’t break into a defence core that had Ceci and Deharnais on it. Think about that for a minute. The Blues are now paying him 4.5 mm a year! He was a promising player and may develop into something special. In two years time we get to watch him ask for more money or not receive a qualifying offer from the Blues. The guy has 92 games of protected minutes playing for the Oilers. He is a smooth skater but has no sandpaper in his game. He will get pushed off the puck and not deal well with net front pressure. Holloway has been hurt every season. Plays similar to Taylor Hall and exposes himself to getting hit. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him hurt during training camp
You can critique the Oilers' situation, but letting them go was the right move in the moment. We really could not afford either contract. We'll accrue cap space during the season now so we could be active at the deadline. The rumour I heard about Johansen is that he could not be bought out due to an injury, but that injury is old and he never reported it, so the Flyers were unaware he was injured when they traded for him.
Not 100% sure Edmonton would have been wise to match even without the additional 3rd as a sweetener. But hey. Will be interesting to see how Broberg & Holloway evolve (or not).
I wish nothing but the best for the two players, I don't fault them in the least for wanting to get paid when a team wanted to pay them more than they're currently worth.
Demko's health is becoming such a problem I feel like the Canucks should be looking for a long term replacement. Love the guy but his value is 0 if he can't play, and what are the odds he's injured again in the future? Been more than 1 season of this song and dance
Don't have to keep him beyond his current contract which expires in 2026, at the same time however, how expensive would it be to retain him if health is such a major question mark?
As an Oilers fan I expect both Holloway and Broberg to become HOF'ers one day( humor)..... I 'd have kept Broberg for Nurse straight up.... Broberg was played over Nurse in the Cup Finals... that is how much a liability Nurse was perceived to be ... especially at 10 mill a year.... Broberg upside is quite good.
I keep thinking of Bud Holloway, who only ever played one NHL game, but in NHL 13 or 14 I don't remember I picked him up on waivers and after one season in the minors he jumped to like an 86 overall and within another season was my first line center for like five years lol
As an Oilers fan not that concerned it happens both players I wish them well but neither really made the most of there NHL time with us. As far as our blue line I’m not worried in the slightest Ceci was not always great for us so not really a loss like everyone says and I really like Emberson so I’m happy to see how he does.
@Marixa1979 I put that on a team that over achieved after a disastrous start to the season under a new coach. The new coach spark. Obviously not a bad team but you can't tell me that d core isn't paper thin.
@@oscargoldman4867 You don't overachieve for 66 games and 4 rounds of playoffs. The beginning of the season was the outlier. I can tell you it's not paper thin because every stat there is shows that the Oilers were very solid all season and even better in the playoffs.
As a fan of offer sheets, I do not like the "aww shucks, we gotcha, but we feel bad about it," bonus trade at all. Finally, an offer sheet strategy checks all the boxes, and... he couldn't leave it alone. The acquiring team is already paying a price for the tactic on two fronts - they handed over the exact draft pick compensation that the league policy requires, AND they are overpaying the two players by double... on spec! This is one of those classic moves where you finally grow a pair and put your own organization first, but instead of recognizing your own risk taken in the transaction... you apologize for it? It leaves the impression that the mandated compensation was not enough. That'll do wonders for future offer sheets.
It's clear the original offer was not appropriate, even with the AAVs for each player. SL had to make the offer attractive enough for both players to want to sacrifice a few years of actually winning the cup, for, "build back better" and maybe in a few years we could be challengers. Guess it's about what's important, and clearly for these two, it's about making as much money as possible as quickly as possible. Certainly can't blame either for accepting.
I think on the low end the compensation is a bit underwhelming, on the top end it's pretty punishing. I agree with you though that offer sheets are great entertainment and I hope they become a more regular thing.
Not a bad deal. A second and two third round picks and a college prospect that really was at least 2-3 years away from even trying to come close to the NHL, in exchange for TWO players who were first round draft picks.
@@craigpetroskey8934 There was no deal, though. The Oilers received 2 picks as mandated by the league. Armstrong sending along a bonus gift makes the league's valuation of player tiers appear flawed, which it may or may not be, and sets a very weird precedent.
I think the majority of rational fans see it the way you said. It's typically the less informed fans that are flying off the handle and trying to blame Holland for this screw up and that now the Oilers are doomed.
as a blues fan i'm excited to see how they fit into the lineup. i'd love to see holloway on second line with buch and saad. i think broberg can be top 4 but we'll see how training camp goes. we have a good amount of younger players fighting for minutes now. losing krug will really show who's ready to step up on the blue line
@@PutinMyaho They’re in a retool, they’ve not had the best last two seasons. But most would take their last decade over majority of other teams’ last decade. 1 cup, 1 conference final, 3 second round appearances, 7 playoff berths, just barely missed another 2 times. Don’t think Blues fans are sweating it too much. Picked up some low risk high potential guys and have some solid guys in the pipeline.
I think the main problem with Oilers matching the offers would be next off season when Leon and Evan could easily eat up 20 million of the cap sapce. Adding 6 million from Holloway and Broberg would make it a very challenging off-season for the Oilers. I just think edmonton has a much weaker defensive core now. Will be an interesting season.
I don't know how it could be a much weaker defensive core when the only subtractions were Ceci and Desharnais from the regular roster last year. 3 weeks ago, Ceci was regarded as a terrible defenseman, and now that he's gone his value has somehow risen to a huge loss. Broberg was good in a small sample size in the playoffs, but he was also healthy when everyone else was pretty beat up, not sure how much that factors in. It's currently August and I think we all can agree that the Oilers are likely going to make a few more moves before the season starts(Thinking maybe Andersson from Calgary and signing Barrie to a league min deal), but I'd be comfortable with the Oilers defense as it is right now. They were after all a top 10 team in goals allowed last season, even with that horrid start.
Figure Bouchard gets 8. Add Nurses 9.5 and 4.6 to Broberg, you're pricey there. Then probably 13 for drai and whatever McDavid gets. It's just insane on what they'd not have left.
First of all this is clearly a major fail by Oilers management but secondary the compensation is not nearly enough for two first round picks. Great deal for St. Louis. I expect the Oilers to punish the Blues on and off the ice for many years because of this so makes things exciting!
As a Blues fan I’m leery. I just can’t get the names Yakupov and Pulijujarvi out of my head when it comes to the Oilers judging 1st round talent. We’re doomed!😂🤣
They're at worst a 3rd line winger and 3rd pair Dman. Yakupov wasn't good enough on D to play a depth role and Puljujarvi had to much pride to play a depth role.
I think this is good for the blues. The team has struggled and getting two young players on a short term contract is little risk for the team. If these two players disappoint then the blues are only stuck for two years. Losing a 2nd and a 3rd that may never become an nhl player is a win.
The Johansen buy out could free up $4m in cap space for the Predators... They'd have $7m total. Tons of space to accommodate another star player acquired via Askarov trade...
the flyers probably suspected johansen was lying all along (had he not found the injury/claimed to be injured, he would have been sent to the AHL, and likely bought out), but didn’t want to make a problem of it initially. my understanding is that he got married recently, so there’s a chance he was dancing or doing something in relation to that. alternatively, the flyers just found enough evidence (or they just didn’t want to deal with the trial during other busier times of the year) etc to feel as though they will win whatever case is brought forward, and having johansen’s 4 million dollars off their books (or a portion of it, depending on if there is a settlement) will put them under the cap without needing to use LTIR. the situation is very interesting and i am very curious to see how the case is handled, and also the precedent that will be set by having a settlement with a player that had retained salary.
It took me 52 years (yes, I’ve been a fan since 1968), so I’m patient. If it takes another 52 years, I’ll be there. Oh, I’ll be 117, but with modern medicine, Botox, and drugs, ya’ never know!! 😂 Cheers, Ol Rusty Goalie
If Rutherford holds out, he can probably get him for a 2nd and a 3rd. I wouldn't give Trotz anything more than that. Jim has been doing this too long, to let Barry win that trade!
I am a Oiler fan and I am mad. The Oilers have the oldest team in the NHL and to have 2 of our few young players stolen from us by the Blues and getting almost nothing in return is a big slap in the face.
I'm ok with the Oilers not matching. For the players, take the pay raise. For the Oilers, not having that cap hit on the books going into negotiations with Connor, Leon and Evan is not a bad thing. It will create some jobs on the Blueline with Philip, Cody and Vinny being gone. Right now it looks like bad moves but let's wait for the season to start. Maybe there is some good chemistry with the recent additions and maybe these players can help Nurse be worth that big money contract. This off season the Oilers have been smart in not "over paying" the incoming talent and I think the deals that St Louis offered, while shorter term, will create issues if/when those contracts come up.
Demko is a vital piece to Canucks success. Makes me wonder how close actually was he to returning when he said himself in the post season presser that he probably would have been back for the conference finals
As an Oilers fan, Oilers made the right call with Drai and Bouchard due for extensions. For the Blues they have a good core with Kyrou, Thomas, Buch, Broberg, Neighbors and Holloway
I’m not a Canucks fan but from the outside, I thought Silvos exceeded expectations when called upon in the postseason last year. Hard to see how that doesn’t earn him the backup job this year
The funny thing is the Blues, before the offer sheets, tried to trade Buchnevich and a 1st ; but the Oilers refused the deal. Broberg received a total of 3 offer sheets but he and his agent 'chose' the Blues. So 2 other teams did the same thing. The Oilers could have had more, but now they have a 2nd, 3rd, and a no hard feelings 5th.
Maybe someone can clear this up for me…I heard on one channel mention about the qualifying offer that will need to be made after these 2 year deals are done for Broberg and Holloway, but no one else mentions that. I would assume that would’ve been a big concern for Edmonton if it’s true. With all the other deals that need to be done and will be done in 2026 and 2027 inflated qualifiers for those guys is a problem.
I think believe it or not the oilers are in a better spot as the season goes oilers will have even more cap space at the trade deadline about 4m and if the oilers get adam larson and maybe another more the oilers will be a better team on the backend
Dear God no, I mean I like Barrie but his main selling point is as a #1 PP quarterback and that spot is taken and off course his defense is shaky at best.
@@klompsauce Drafting the BPA when that player is to be projected to go a round or many rounds later in mock drafts is quite foolish when a team is wrong. Even when the team is right you could have traded down and still got him. When teams draft a player straight out of high school in the first round is an example like that.
I love the Broberg and Holloway additions. Broberg could play alongside Parayko at top pair and get good minutes. Holloway would slot nicely into 2nd or 3rd line which would be huge. Add both Joseph's, Sundqvist and Dvorsky into the mix and the Blues have a lot of options. Little early to tell, but perhaps the retool/rebuild won't take as long as expected.
Expect when St Louis and Edmonton trade places that the Oilers will return the favor. If offer sheets become the norm we can expect less trades between teams.
Complication in the Johansen termination is that Nashville are responsible for 50% of his contract. According to PuckPedia there has not been a termination grievence where retained salary is involved. PHLY Sports are reporting that Johansen would not report to the AHL in March due to injury which also prevented a buyout in the summer. I am surprised that this issue came up now rather than during medicals prior to training camp. Messy situation.
@@SirCanuckelhead Interesting! Maybe he was hurt back in March but would pass a medical now. In other news, is that a flock of pigs flying past my window?
This is what most don't see what Armstrong GM of blues is doing! Top 6 on list are in lineup this year and bottom 6 on this list within 2 years tops! This year and next year should squeeze into playoffs barely but come Oct for the 2026-27 season, we're LOADED! You finally said something that your 100% wrong on! Wow (1:10 of ya show) smh
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants Yeah I commented b4 he circled around with news of the trade. Seems like a low return for a team trying to win now but I guess the Blues had them over a barrel.
@@MrBacchus18 It does not by default make them worth those new contracts though. Look at Campbell and Nurse. I dont know those players though they might be worth it.
@1:19 the blues dont have a lot of good young prospects? lol what? You’re kidding right? Blues are loaded with young potential. Maybe not nhl ready defense this year (but they won’t need it with the log jam that they now have) but they’re going to have Zach Dean, Dalibor Dvorsky, Zack Bolduc competing this year for roster spots on offense. What are you even talking about lol
@KiraKovalyova Would be seriously outkicking the coverage, but we'd take it. Someone here asked about him being like Pronger and everyone was like 'wooah dude, slow down a sec. Would be very happy if he's just a #3-4 with afew years in him. we have been mostly picking forwerds for a few years now, so those are stacked up but the D is aging up.and the kids (lindstein looks really good) are a ways away
@rayflojenkins8689 there's really no risk for st.louis. if neither pans out they pay em for 2 years and they're gone. They're not in a position to spend or add high end guys and won't be until those deals are done.
It would be a crap ton easier on the hearts, minds, and hockey souls of Canucks fans (Day 1 ...1970 here) if the ownership/management brain trust came clean as to what TDem's injury was and why the doubt as to his readiness for camp and the 24/25 season... seems really kind of dumb now that they let Casey DeSmith walk like they did.
The Blues don't have a lot of good young players coming up? We have 10 first-round picks between 2019-2025 drafts now. Snuggs is gonna surpirse at the end of the season, y'all.
That Johansen story is completely sketchy...got the popcorn ready 😉
Totally.
Definitely nhlpa involvement if not outside court.
@@joeya8721 Right? How did the initial trade to Philly even go through!
My guess is he was traded to Philly, saw that Torts was the coach, he and Torts never got along so Ryan decided to make up an excuse to not report to the team. Likely there's clear evidence of Ryan participating in activities he would not be able to if he in fact had a hip injury and they're disputing his contract due to faking an injury.
Imagine getting married and lifting your wife and that's why you lost out on $8m.
@@maxpowr90he’s not want for money.
Shannon hardly ever makes a mistake, but the Blues are loading up on young talent. I think they are 2-3 years away, but they are certainly building a good young core
At forward they’re developing talent pool is in good shape. They’re also in good shape in goal. On defense is where their development pool is lacking in terms of guys that are only 1-2 years away. Lidstein is the only guy in that category with top-4 potential. (I don’t see Perunovich, Kessel, or Tucker as anything but potential bottom pairing guys.) They drafted several early round defensemen this year, but those guys are all 3-4 years away, if they pan out. That’s why getting Broberg was so important.
@@JustBob-sw4rf Blues' defensive depth was critical in 2019. Those guys you listed as bottom pairings will have a role.
The reason why so many hockey players play golf is that their contracts often prohibit them from participating in almost every other sport in the offseason.
And for those fellows who grew up in cold climates of Canada, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, and Russia, it’s probably a treat for them to play a non-contact, fun game in nice weather!
@@OldRustySteele I'm sure a lot of them get a taste for it, between it being on the only non-hockey sport they're allowed to indulge in and all the charity/celeb golf tournaments they can take part in. By the time they retire some of them have bodies so broken down they soon have a hard time playing golf let alone any other sport.
The Blues are actually beginning to build the under 24 talent maybe a bit more than you think. Particularly adding in last year's and this year's draft to the guys on the roster currently, i.e. Thomas, Kyrou, Neighbors, Hofer, Kessel, Bolduc, Perunovich, w Snuggerud getting added later in '24-25 season.
Thank you, holy crap how does our farm system fly so under the radar?
former 1st rounders 25 and under on Blues or in system
Thomas
Holloway
Broberg
Neighbours
Bolduc
Dean
Snuggerud
Dvorsky
Stenberg
Lindstein
Jiricek
PO Joseph
That’s 12 guys that are under 25 and are former 1st rounders.
I also really don’t think that young talent is the void in our organization lmao. This retool looks to have some shape and bite to it now.
Yeah I didn't get the "not a lot of young players coming up" statement. That's the total direction they're heading.
Don't forget Dvorsky, Dean, Lindstein, Jiricek, and PekarchikI couldn't believe it when he said the Blues don't have any prospects. This is the best pipeline the Blues have ever had!
@@bgcharade It's precisely the same as someone saying that Bouchard lacks defensively where the evidence would state otherwise that he's been great at both ends of the ice. People tend to hold onto beliefs and are resistant to change them.
@@jert38 best pipeline they have had is sad to say, not even that good.
As an oiler fan I’d rather keep both players. But overpaying for any player isn’t good business. Sad to see them go, but I’m already over it
As an oilers fan, I’m okay without matching either Holloway or Broberg. This allows us to be cap compliant without Kane on LTIR to start the season which means(depending on other injuries) we can accrue cap space for the deadline. I think Emberson is actually a decent bet, posting good underlying metrics on a brutal sharks team and also being a natural right side. Podkolizin is no Holloway, but we have guys like Lavoie and Savoie who I think could fill that role sooner rather than later. Also it means that we aren’t stuck with an extra 6.5M on the books while we try to extend Leon and Bouch
Going to need every penny under the cap to resign one Mr. Leon.
I almost wonder if Bowman used the idea of getting the cap space to match as a cover to move out some contracts he didn't want.
@@sgtbattle4471 7M
If they weren't going to keep at least one of Holloway or Broberg, why trade Ceci?
@@brianyoung3 I mean ceci has been a whipping boy in Edmonton for a while. I also think management really liked Emberson and Ceci was the cost as it’s likely the sharks want some vets on the team. Also gives us the cap space to be able to bring in Kane whenever he’s healthy without sending money down/out.
I would disagree that St. Louis doesn't have good young prospects. They were on the cover of THN Futures Issue last year and have a ton of young guys on the way.
Yeah. Their D and GK prospects seem just okay / kind of good, but not legitimately bad. Their F prospect group is actually very strong. No truly elite prospect but 4 or 5 or 6 future 2nd or 3rd liners
Blues definitely got a few good players. Broberg has potential to turn into something special.
He does. So don't screw him up like the Oilers did. Good luck Broberg.
Absolutely! There was a time when Broberg was being compared to Victor Hedman.
Shannon, as a real old dude who became a Blues fan in 1968, the jersey you’re wearing today is my favorite. The road white makes The Blue Note stand out even better!
It’s what I wore 5 years ago when we finally won Lord Stan’s Can !!!! 🎉
I wish they wore it at home instead of the blue.
Great move by the Blues and I think the right move by the Oilers. They have to approach it from the standpoint of Draisaitl and Bouchard being up for contract next season, if they resigned both players it would really hamper their ability to keep both Drai and Bouch next offseason. For the Blues if they can get the Holloway and Broberg that showed up these last playoffs and have them perform tbat way consistently then the assets given up are more than worth it. There is a world this works out for both teams in the end despite the taboo around offer sheets.
Bouchard is horrible in his own end and costs as many goals defensivelyashe creates offensively
The only reason that both Broberg and Holloway accepted the offer sheets was greed. There definitely wasn't any loyalty to the Oilers. Broberg was looking for a trade, and he knew the Oilers would have given him a lower value two-way 'bridge' contract, so he jumped when STL offered all that money on a one way contract. Broberg would have been poison in the Oilers' dressing room anyways. Holloway was also going to get a low value two-way 'bridge' contract; he had the option of rejecting the offer sheet, but he showed his loyalty to the Oilers by accepting. He was hoping to force the Oilers into matching the offer. He gambled, but it was a win-win situation, as far as he was concerned.
@@craigpetroskey8934 i would want to see you decline 250% pay rise to do same elsewhere and get more time... historicly teams offers 0 loyalty also (look at stamkos)
@@craigpetroskey8934sounds like you're just salty 🤣
Regarding compensation, don't forget that the Oilers also got the Blues' 2025 2nd and 3rd round picks.
That was not mandatory though, I think the Blues did it because Edmonton is pissed
@@scottgordon1821 Offer sheets make compensation mandatory. The level of compensation depends upon the contract value. The secondary trade was an effort to keep Edmonton from retaliation in the future.
Yeah. Great compensation for two first round draft picks 🤮
They paid them to the Dollar the maximum they could without going up a round. It was extremely scummy
@@louisbuss6068No, it's how you do an offer sheet.
In his press conference, Doug Armstrong indicated that the Oilers agreed to the Fischer and draft pick deal and said that they would, therefore, not match either of the offer sheeted players.
Thank you Oilers
- Blues fans
🙏🙏🙏 thank you so much oilers
Thank you Columbus too 😁
Montreal fans
Your welcome for a 7th defensemen who couldn't make the oilers line up constantly for the last 3-4 YEARS.
@@trustinrain5623 We are more than happy to have him!
@@trustinrain5623 Defensemen take much longer to develop. It's much harder position to learn. He's still only 23 and one of the best D men skaters in the league. 23 year old left hand defensemen don't fall out of the sky. And he was making the Oilers line up pretty dang consistently in the cup finals, Eh? Upside is high, only locked in for 2 years.
Give you my hot take on Demko. I think he is one more serious Injury away from getting traded up outta here. His contract comes up at the same time as Hughes, whose number will start with a 12. By then Silovs will slide in as the starter. It's Markstrom all over again.
Yeah it’s time to get rid of him he doesn’t do himself any favours by constantly over training. It’s actually crazy
I know I'd be excited to get a 400% raise...I'm glad we finally got a new young Dman who is ready to hit his prime and this didn't go sideways like the Krug/Sanheim trade last year.
Hopefully he works out for the Blues, problem is the sample size for him currently is so small, never a regular role with only what, 81 regular season games under his belt?
I'm pretty confident he's going to be a middle pairing guy for about a decade. Great value for that pick.
The Blues have a very strong pool of prospects. They have 12 players in the system 25 and under that were 1st round picks.
The Blues young talent pipeline is actually decent even before this happened.
That Nurse contract finally bit the Oilers in the @ss!
Oilers fan. I'm actually fine with what the team chose to do. Shipping Ceci out and bringing in Emberson who is young, cheap, and may actually be quite good. Fact is, Broberg and Holloway for $7m is just too much money and letting them go gives us a lot more cap flexibility to wait and see what exactly we'll need or who may be available. I think the Oilers, after moving Ceci, threatened the Blues with matching one or both players so St. Louis gave them the player and additional pick to back off.
Our blueline is slightly worse, no doubt, but Broberg at $4.5m either plays 3LHD (then, where does Kulak go?) or plays on his off-side at 2RHD. Neither is ideal.
Agree 100%
😅 as soon as you said 'Jason Spezza might be' I was like 'Is Jason Spezza still playing???' 😅😅😅
Blues fans are pumped right now. Lots of potential with all there young first rounders.
Savoie had two seasons with buffalo where he had every opportunity to make the team but was injured both times.(not his fault, but the world turns as it does.) now he’ll have a clear path to being a significant part of the oilers efforts this year. Hope he stays healthy, glad he’s playing in the west.
Sorta, forward is pretty crowded with established vets at the moment, but if there's some injuries there's some pretty great opportunities for sure.
@Marixa1979 one of him or Lavoie will more than likely make the team. They'll want to pace the aging depth. My guess is they'll rotate depth out to let them rest.
Askarov to Vancouver. Make it happen
Rutherford has made some pretty savvy moves over his years as a GM. Only prob is, getting Askarov, would put Silovs in the same sitch.
@@meddyven Rutherford?
@@hughjass1044 We all know Rutherford is the real GM. Alvin is just the puppet being controled by the puppet master.
Makes huge sense for Vancouver.
@@meddyven Silvos isn't good he played Ok against a team with 0 offense then got destroyed by the Oilers. Trade him for Askarov if you need to
Carey price had to have a "no calf roping clause " in his contract , rodeo is big in the area he grew up
The Blues were just on the cover of the hockey news prospects addition. Not as many on D as offense but still, we have a very exciting prospect pool
Down in the AHL, Springfield needs a better coach, after Bannister replaced Berube. The T-Birds were awful down the stretch, and they need goaltending. Otherwise, they do have a decent prospect pipeline.
The Blues will finish last in the NHL for the next 5 years.
@@meddyven Hofer would probably still be considered a prospect. He’s the future in net most likely. Looks pretty solid.
@@atlasfeynman1039 most likely
@@ronsnow8938 Joel played well while he was in Springfield, getting us to the CalderCup Finals. He looks to be a good one.
Oilers fans were split between signing one or both or neither. The oil weren’t close to giving them that kind of money. Oilers need to win now regardless, neither guys are difference makers the next couple years.
With the trades Edmonton has done since the offersheets came in, I thought they'd match at least one of them. Shoutout to St. Louis for getting their guys.
I think the Oilers are more counting on players they've picked up or have in the minors filling Holloway and Broberg's roles while leaving Kane off LTIR so they'll have more cap room at the deadline. Other than Savoie Broberg and Holloway have more upside than the guys that'll take their places but not necessarily better than those cheaper options this year. So basically it's the best move for the next 2 years but hurts after that
I think the Oilers had to let them go. No way you can have those contracts with McDavid and Leon coming up. Also would be one hell of a weird locker room with those two taking cuts and those guys getting a bag for what their comps would be.
I’m an oilers fan.
We got McDavid and Drai. I think I’ll get over this one quick 🤷♂️
Too many eggs in two baskets.
@@PeteNice29 two pretty big baskets though!
@@739jep Agreed, but that’s tough if one gets hurt.
@@PeteNice29 mate. Don’t jinx them !
i opened twitter this morning excited to see how the oilers/st. louis drama ended up playing out, and was instead greeted with a crisis about thatcher demko 😭
Seems like great karma for those Vancouver fans that take pleasure in things going against the Oilers.
@@Marixa1979 that would be the “rivalry” part of a geographic rivalry
@@hannahmarie08 Yeah, but karma is still a thing. Wish bad things on your rival at your peril.
@@Marixa1979 i actually don’t believe in karma but thank you!
@@Marixa1979Oilers fans were hating on the Canucks and our fanbase from literally day 1 last year. Yet they made the Stanley Cup Final.
This is sanctimonious bullshit, nothing more.
I was really excited to see what both Broberg and Holloway were going to accomplish this season for the Oilers, but I knew if they did as well as I hoped that the Oilers couldn't afford them going forward. Broberg's agent said multiple teams were moving on offer sheets and I think the Oilers tried their best to sign him for what they could afford, and Broberg clearly wanted more money and responsibility sooner than Edmonton could offer, so to me it was all kind of an inevitability. I'm glad to see them move on from Ceci, I'm excited by Emberson, and I think that Edmonton is in a great position with the other additions in the off-season and the ability to add on defense at the deadline - I think they'll be a better overall playoff team than last year.
Who are they going to add at the deadline on the blueline? Top D are being horded by teams and Edmonton just gave up on a young guy that is projecting towards being one.
@@ABC-sc2ip Idk, but they got some considerable millions and picks to work with and lots of time for a guy somewhere to request a trade out of where they are
Oilers are building a team first culture. Broberg and Holloway clearly wanted no part of that and they signed offer sheets turning the screws on the team that developed them. No way the Oilers were matching those offers. You just can’t overpay tweeners when you are expecting team friendly deals from your core.
Broberg couldn’t break into a defence core that had Ceci and Deharnais on it. Think about that for a minute. The Blues are now paying him 4.5 mm a year!
He was a promising player and may develop into something special. In two years time we get to watch him ask for more money or not receive a qualifying offer from the Blues. The guy has 92 games of protected minutes playing for the Oilers. He is a smooth skater but has no sandpaper in his game. He will get pushed off the puck and not deal well with net front pressure.
Holloway has been hurt every season. Plays similar to Taylor Hall and exposes himself to getting hit. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him hurt during training camp
You can critique the Oilers' situation, but letting them go was the right move in the moment. We really could not afford either contract.
We'll accrue cap space during the season now so we could be active at the deadline.
The rumour I heard about Johansen is that he could not be bought out due to an injury, but that injury is old and he never reported it, so the Flyers were unaware he was injured when they traded for him.
Not 100% sure Edmonton would have been wise to match even without the additional 3rd as a sweetener. But hey. Will be interesting to see how Broberg & Holloway evolve (or not).
I wish nothing but the best for the two players, I don't fault them in the least for wanting to get paid when a team wanted to pay them more than they're currently worth.
@@Marixa1979 The players didn't have a choice, did they?
@@larrygrassinger2819 Huh? The St. Louis Blues offered them a contract and they agreed to the terms presented to them.
Very excited about the new additions for the Blues!! 👍🏾👍🏾
Oilers singing the Blues
Demko's health is becoming such a problem I feel like the Canucks should be looking for a long term replacement. Love the guy but his value is 0 if he can't play, and what are the odds he's injured again in the future? Been more than 1 season of this song and dance
Don't have to keep him beyond his current contract which expires in 2026, at the same time however, how expensive would it be to retain him if health is such a major question mark?
As an Oilers fan I expect both Holloway and Broberg to become HOF'ers one day( humor)..... I 'd have kept Broberg for Nurse straight up.... Broberg was played over Nurse in the Cup Finals... that is how much a liability Nurse was perceived to be ... especially at 10 mill a year.... Broberg upside is quite good.
I keep thinking of Bud Holloway, who only ever played one NHL game, but in NHL 13 or 14 I don't remember I picked him up on waivers and after one season in the minors he jumped to like an 86 overall and within another season was my first line center for like five years lol
As an Oilers fan not that concerned it happens both players I wish them well but neither really made the most of there NHL time with us. As far as our blue line I’m not worried in the slightest Ceci was not always great for us so not really a loss like everyone says and I really like Emberson so I’m happy to see how he does.
Not a big loss for the Oilers, they already seem pretty stacked. Good move on both sides
Except for that paper thin blue line... yikes.
@@oscargoldman4867 Broberg wasn't going to make or break that blue line, Oilers have cap space now to make an acquisition if they need to
@@oscargoldman4867 The paper thin blue line that was top 10 in goals allowed last season? You put that on elite goaltending by Skinner?
@Marixa1979 I put that on a team that over achieved after a disastrous start to the season under a new coach. The new coach spark. Obviously not a bad team but you can't tell me that d core isn't paper thin.
@@oscargoldman4867 You don't overachieve for 66 games and 4 rounds of playoffs. The beginning of the season was the outlier. I can tell you it's not paper thin because every stat there is shows that the Oilers were very solid all season and even better in the playoffs.
I'm just happy that Armstrong has tacitly accepted that his moves after the cup have been pretty disastrous, and is pivoting to something else
As a fan of offer sheets, I do not like the "aww shucks, we gotcha, but we feel bad about it," bonus trade at all. Finally, an offer sheet strategy checks all the boxes, and... he couldn't leave it alone. The acquiring team is already paying a price for the tactic on two fronts - they handed over the exact draft pick compensation that the league policy requires, AND they are overpaying the two players by double... on spec! This is one of those classic moves where you finally grow a pair and put your own organization first, but instead of recognizing your own risk taken in the transaction... you apologize for it? It leaves the impression that the mandated compensation was not enough. That'll do wonders for future offer sheets.
It's clear the original offer was not appropriate, even with the AAVs for each player. SL had to make the offer attractive enough for both players to want to sacrifice a few years of actually winning the cup, for, "build back better" and maybe in a few years we could be challengers. Guess it's about what's important, and clearly for these two, it's about making as much money as possible as quickly as possible. Certainly can't blame either for accepting.
I think on the low end the compensation is a bit underwhelming, on the top end it's pretty punishing. I agree with you though that offer sheets are great entertainment and I hope they become a more regular thing.
Not a bad deal. A second and two third round picks and a college prospect that really was at least 2-3 years away from even trying to come close to the NHL, in exchange for TWO players who were first round draft picks.
@@craigpetroskey8934 There was no deal, though. The Oilers received 2 picks as mandated by the league. Armstrong sending along a bonus gift makes the league's valuation of player tiers appear flawed, which it may or may not be, and sets a very weird precedent.
little bummed to lose holloway for sure, but it is what it's. the team is still pretty darn good
My circle of oilers fans aren’t too upset. Feels like our management actually made the most of the situation and didn’t commit to an overpay or two
I think the majority of rational fans see it the way you said. It's typically the less informed fans that are flying off the handle and trying to blame Holland for this screw up and that now the Oilers are doomed.
So the Preds gain $4m back in cap space since they retained? That could help give options to the Preds in an Askarov trade.
Good point
as a blues fan i'm excited to see how they fit into the lineup. i'd love to see holloway on second line with buch and saad. i think broberg can be top 4 but we'll see how training camp goes. we have a good amount of younger players fighting for minutes now. losing krug will really show who's ready to step up on the blue line
Saad ? 2nd line? Hahaha the blues are trash
@@PutinMyahoSaad had over 25 goals last season what
@@PutinMyaho They’re in a retool, they’ve not had the best last two seasons. But most would take their last decade over majority of other teams’ last decade. 1 cup, 1 conference final, 3 second round appearances, 7 playoff berths, just barely missed another 2 times.
Don’t think Blues fans are sweating it too much. Picked up some low risk high potential guys and have some solid guys in the pipeline.
I think the main problem with Oilers matching the offers would be next off season when Leon and Evan could easily eat up 20 million of the cap sapce. Adding 6 million from Holloway and Broberg would make it a very challenging off-season for the Oilers. I just think edmonton has a much weaker defensive core now. Will be an interesting season.
I don't know how it could be a much weaker defensive core when the only subtractions were Ceci and Desharnais from the regular roster last year. 3 weeks ago, Ceci was regarded as a terrible defenseman, and now that he's gone his value has somehow risen to a huge loss. Broberg was good in a small sample size in the playoffs, but he was also healthy when everyone else was pretty beat up, not sure how much that factors in. It's currently August and I think we all can agree that the Oilers are likely going to make a few more moves before the season starts(Thinking maybe Andersson from Calgary and signing Barrie to a league min deal), but I'd be comfortable with the Oilers defense as it is right now. They were after all a top 10 team in goals allowed last season, even with that horrid start.
Figure Bouchard gets 8. Add Nurses 9.5 and 4.6 to Broberg, you're pricey there. Then probably 13 for drai and whatever McDavid gets. It's just insane on what they'd not have left.
If they can get them for 20mill that's a steal. I'd expect closer to 40mill for them and Mcdavid.
@@jayryan1018Bouchard at 8 would be a miracle. 10-12mill will probably be the range
@jayryan1018 keep dreaming. No way, Bouchard signs for a penny less than Nurse. I say he comes in at 9.5 - 10.5
This could end up being a blessing in disguise for the Oilers but time will tell.
Or a massive misstep. Time will tell.
First of all this is clearly a major fail by Oilers management but secondary the compensation is not nearly enough for two first round picks. Great deal for St. Louis. I expect the Oilers to punish the Blues on and off the ice for many years because of this so makes things exciting!
Employers looking for a reason to fire an employee - that never happens!!
Oilers fan here. Happy they didn't match. Wished they signed beforehand though
As a Blues fan I’m leery. I just can’t get the names Yakupov and Pulijujarvi out of my head when it comes to the Oilers judging 1st round talent. We’re doomed!😂🤣
They're at worst a 3rd line winger and 3rd pair Dman. Yakupov wasn't good enough on D to play a depth role and Puljujarvi had to much pride to play a depth role.
I think this is good for the blues. The team has struggled and getting two young players on a short term contract is little risk for the team. If these two players disappoint then the blues are only stuck for two years. Losing a 2nd and a 3rd that may never become an nhl player is a win.
The Johansen buy out could free up $4m in cap space for the Predators... They'd have $7m total. Tons of space to accommodate another star player acquired via Askarov trade...
@KiraKovalyova please don't tease me like that. I can only dream
As an oilers fan i am a little disappointed, but now we are out of cap hell, and will have more flexability during the season.
the flyers probably suspected johansen was lying all along (had he not found the injury/claimed to be injured, he would have been sent to the AHL, and likely bought out), but didn’t want to make a problem of it initially. my understanding is that he got married recently, so there’s a chance he was dancing or doing something in relation to that. alternatively, the flyers just found enough evidence (or they just didn’t want to deal with the trial during other busier times of the year) etc to feel as though they will win whatever case is brought forward, and having johansen’s 4 million dollars off their books (or a portion of it, depending on if there is a settlement) will put them under the cap without needing to use LTIR. the situation is very interesting and i am very curious to see how the case is handled, and also the precedent that will be set by having a settlement with a player that had retained salary.
Bizarre they trade Ceci and don’t match either, if Evander Kane stars on LTIR they’ll have cap space to cook something up
They want to accrue cap space. You don't accrue it with players in LTIR.
The Ceci trade is the reason the subsequent deal was made with St Louis. There was no real threat the Oilers would match until they traded Ceci.
@@obelisk21 Bingo
Even if they had space for them with Kane on LTIR, that would mean Kane can’t come back till the playoffs
Emberson from an analytics perspective is better than ceci and like 8 years younger.
St. Louis on their way to Cup #2
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It took me 52 years (yes, I’ve been a fan since 1968), so I’m patient. If it takes another 52 years, I’ll be there. Oh, I’ll be 117, but with modern medicine, Botox, and drugs, ya’ never know!! 😂
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I wonder what it'll take for Vancouver to get Askarov.
If Rutherford holds out, he can probably get him for a 2nd and a 3rd. I wouldn't give Trotz anything more than that. Jim has been doing this too long, to let Barry win that trade!
Askarov wants to be a number one guy. He won't be that in Vancouver with Demko and Silovs.
@@TheProph7 Demko's not under contract for much longer
I am a Oiler fan and I am mad. The Oilers have the oldest team in the NHL and to have 2 of our few young players stolen from us by the Blues and getting almost nothing in return is a big slap in the face.
NGL as an Oiler fan who used to cheer for the Blues, I am fucking pissed off.
Johanson was fine... got traded to Philly and then "suddenly" he's injured
I'm ok with the Oilers not matching. For the players, take the pay raise. For the Oilers, not having that cap hit on the books going into negotiations with Connor, Leon and Evan is not a bad thing. It will create some jobs on the Blueline with Philip, Cody and Vinny being gone. Right now it looks like bad moves but let's wait for the season to start. Maybe there is some good chemistry with the recent additions and maybe these players can help Nurse be worth that big money contract. This off season the Oilers have been smart in not "over paying" the incoming talent and I think the deals that St Louis offered, while shorter term, will create issues if/when those contracts come up.
Demko is a vital piece to Canucks success.
Makes me wonder how close actually was he to returning when he said himself in the post season presser that he probably would have been back for the conference finals
As an Oilers fan, Oilers made the right call with Drai and Bouchard due for extensions. For the Blues they have a good core with Kyrou, Thomas, Buch, Broberg, Neighbors and Holloway
Excited to have Broberg on Bro-ard!
The Oilers NEED to keep making moves on their blue line. The right side just is not good enough.
Moving Ceci allowed Bowman to threaten St Louis and induce the sweeteners. Not a bad set of work.
Bad offer sheet etiquette by Bowman.
I’m not a Canucks fan but from the outside, I thought Silvos exceeded expectations when called upon in the postseason last year. Hard to see how that doesn’t earn him the backup job this year
The funny thing is the Blues, before the offer sheets, tried to trade Buchnevich and a 1st ; but the Oilers refused the deal.
Broberg received a total of 3 offer sheets but he and his agent 'chose' the Blues. So 2 other teams did the same thing.
The Oilers could have had more, but now they have a 2nd, 3rd, and a no hard feelings 5th.
Maybe someone can clear this up for me…I heard on one channel mention about the qualifying offer that will need to be made after these 2 year deals are done for Broberg and Holloway, but no one else mentions that. I would assume that would’ve been a big concern for Edmonton if it’s true. With all the other deals that need to be done and will be done in 2026 and 2027 inflated qualifiers for those guys is a problem.
I think the oilers have made the best decision but Blues have gained 2 good players
I think believe it or not the oilers are in a better spot as the season goes oilers will have even more cap space at the trade deadline about 4m and if the oilers get adam larson and maybe another more the oilers will be a better team on the backend
The rumor is, that the Demko injury is career altering. He may never be the same goalie he was.
Personally as long as Demko won’t be out long I think the tandem of Silovs and Patera could work short term
I wonder if the Oilers bring back Tyson Barrie now?
Dear God no, I mean I like Barrie but his main selling point is as a #1 PP quarterback and that spot is taken and off course his defense is shaky at best.
Huge W for the Blues. Both players fit their retool timeline perfectly.
this is why you shouldn't draft completely off the board in the first round, draft best player available, otherwise this is what happens
How do offer sheets have anything to do with drafting off the board?
Always BPA, just about in any sport
@@TheHockeyGuy I know right!
@@klompsauce Drafting the BPA when that player is to be projected to go a round or many rounds later in mock drafts is quite foolish when a team is wrong. Even when the team is right you could have traded down and still got him.
When teams draft a player straight out of high school in the first round is an example like that.
I love the Broberg and Holloway additions. Broberg could play alongside Parayko at top pair and get good minutes. Holloway would slot nicely into 2nd or 3rd line which would be huge. Add both Joseph's, Sundqvist and Dvorsky into the mix and the Blues have a lot of options. Little early to tell, but perhaps the retool/rebuild won't take as long as expected.
Parayko is not a top pair defenseman
Holloway especially is great value. Has lots of upside and potential still and bagged 5 goals on a deep cup run.
And don't forget the mattis echome grap by the oilers let's go oilers
Looking forward to thanking Silovs for his services when Yaro comes to VAN 👀
From this move and all the projected line ups, I feel like the assumption is that Krug is done for the year at minimum, possibly as a Blue or NHLer
Expect when St Louis and Edmonton trade places that the Oilers will return the favor.
If offer sheets become the norm we can expect less trades between teams.
Complication in the Johansen termination is that Nashville are responsible for 50% of his contract. According to PuckPedia there has not been a termination grievence where retained salary is involved. PHLY Sports are reporting that Johansen would not report to the AHL in March due to injury which also prevented a buyout in the summer. I am surprised that this issue came up now rather than during medicals prior to training camp. Messy situation.
I read he was pictured picking his wife up during their wedding, showing he isn’t as hurt.
Appreciate the clarification on the situation.
@@SirCanuckelhead Interesting! Maybe he was hurt back in March but would pass a medical now. In other news, is that a flock of pigs flying past my window?
Another sitch, that, has Nashville's knickers in a bunch. Askarov and Johanssens 50%. Oopsy!
This is what most don't see what Armstrong GM of blues is doing! Top 6 on list are in lineup this year and bottom 6 on this list within 2 years tops! This year and next year should squeeze into playoffs barely but come Oct for the 2026-27 season, we're LOADED! You finally said something that your 100% wrong on! Wow (1:10 of ya show) smh
Escaped hell and avoided the low ball pay to boot. Congrats to them and their familes.
Vancouver needs a goaltender, you say? How about a slightly used Elvis Merzlikins?
I'm surprised the Oilers surrendered both players.
Realistically they had no choice
He explained why they did. They got a 3rd rounder and that other player not to match.
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants Yeah I commented b4 he circled around with news of the trade. Seems like a low return for a team trying to win now but I guess the Blues had them over a barrel.
@@MrBacchus18 It does not by default make them worth those new contracts though. Look at Campbell and Nurse.
I dont know those players though they might be worth it.
@1:19 the blues dont have a lot of good young prospects? lol what? You’re kidding right? Blues are loaded with young potential. Maybe not nhl ready defense this year (but they won’t need it with the log jam that they now have) but they’re going to have Zach Dean, Dalibor Dvorsky, Zack Bolduc competing this year for roster spots on offense. What are you even talking about lol
Right. The Hockey News rated their prospects the 4th best in the league back in February.
Johansen caught playing air hockey at dave and busters.
Two potentially good players, but the Oilers can't afford to overpay(still dealing with Nurse). Good move for both teams.
Oilers are fine. A bottom 6 forward and bottom 4 dman at those prices don’t fit if they want to win the cup
@KiraKovalyova Would be seriously outkicking the coverage, but we'd take it. Someone here asked about him being like Pronger and everyone was like 'wooah dude, slow down a sec.
Would be very happy if he's just a #3-4 with afew years in him. we have been mostly picking forwerds for a few years now, so those are stacked up but the D is aging up.and the kids (lindstein looks really good) are a ways away
armsteen masterclass
If they progress it is, if they fail miserably then it a terrible move.
@rayflojenkins8689 there's really no risk for st.louis. if neither pans out they pay em for 2 years and they're gone. They're not in a position to spend or add high end guys and won't be until those deals are done.
THG, no panic index this week, I'm not at my best...
It would be a crap ton easier on the hearts, minds, and hockey souls of Canucks fans (Day 1 ...1970 here) if the ownership/management brain trust came clean as to what TDem's injury was and why the doubt as to his readiness for camp and the 24/25 season... seems really kind of dumb now that they let Casey DeSmith walk like they did.
Let's Go Blues!
The Blues don't have a lot of good young players coming up? We have 10 first-round picks between 2019-2025 drafts now. Snuggs is gonna surpirse at the end of the season, y'all.
Totally agreed sir totally idk wtf hockey guy was thinking ?
You mean like Uwe Krupp who was on injured reserve and was dog sledding? 😂