How much I charge against 3 other Electricians- Workshop Wiring
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2022
- In this video me and Adam are wiring up a garden workshop and comparing the prices between myself and three other electricians who are local to us
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You both get along so great together. Helps that you great friends with his parents 🙏👍
As others have mentioned you need additional protection even though its armoured. TT systems are a pain in the butt when running to outbuildings. Nowadays I tend to put the whole cable on its own rcbo
Cracking video from start to finish even the customer given you hand, good days graft and a good days pay that’s all you need.
You good job! Looking a lot more youthful Nick! The customers will think you're the apprentice. Cheers
Nice tidy job. And I thought price was reasonable. Others may had quoted for trunking with conduit drops for example so more time and materials needed. Clipping is perfectly fine. Iv often clipped around the top and done conduit drops to protect the drops to the sockets.
You mentioned the earthing system is TT have you put a TD RCD upfront ?
be interesting to see what set up you had in the house end , if the rod was 16ohms , what fuse protects the SWA to the garage in order to get disconnection !!!
Great video, fair price for what you've done and I was coming around the same sort of figure. Keep up the great work 👍
Really interesting on pricing, your very open about the way you price which I think works for you & your customers.
J.W. Flame (e5) has a great youtube video on exporting sub mains when there is a T.T. System, worth a watch.
Great videos
Nice one Nick these videos really help mate
Well, that was very reasonable. I'd have thought it would've been more than £1.4k. Nice job.
Greetings from Scotland! Great content, really enjoying the videos and I'm not even any kind of tradesperson!
Glad you like them!
I really enjoy these outbuilding jobs. Nice work lads.
thanks dude
Love your vlogs they are down to earth in a good way but you have fun and get the work done at a fair price.
Thanks dude 👍
Your a good spark nick , and fair ..and your right , the area you work in does matter ( I am originally from liverpool) moved to London many years ago .. the prices miles apart back then ;( still are) some sparks are greedy and do try it on the prices in London are expensive which is how made it , but I like to think I was fair. ( after being green for a few years) comming from liverpool .but I kept my regular customers from the 70s till now also I did contract work for shops. ( supermarkets)..worked in Germany and France and I did what I planned to as a young spark .. I retire in august. Made a great living out of it and reached my goals .. which I am sure you will and Adam. Good luck to you both you deserve it ….
Lol IP
Hi Ian, I've just finished my level 3 electrical installations course in college do you know any companies that will take on apprentices?
@@LolLol-gd7ly as I retire in august I use to take on 2/3 sometimes if it was 3 only 2 survived . Same as 2 only one stuck at it but that was the 80s different now .. you need to write to companies. With all your details , I am sure you will find someone to take you on .. good luck.
Cracking work lads 👊🔥
@nickbundy can you do a video on pricing for friends and family? Being in the trade I constantly get asked to do work for friends/family and I always feel them jobs cost me money. Just wondered how you price these jobs.
Brilliant work and I think of that kinda work that’s a fair price. Thanks for sharing this with us take care
Totally agree a living not a killing, just occasionally the extra nob tax for those very very difficult 1 in a 100.
Great vid lads 👍
Love your vids. I’m not a sparky but love watching what you guys do.
I'd normally put separate rod in for out building and garden bars etc. Price be slightly less in the north east.
Another great video. Had similar experience recently trying to get quotes for an EV charger install - 4 businesses contacted, 1 didn’t reply at all, one missed two appointments without any prior contact or notice, one quoted over the phone via photos (fair enough probably as it’s a straightforward job), one actually came out to look at job and sent detailed quote via email. The two quotes received were fairly close in price so went with the guy who actually came out to visit the site.
Hi Nick, I’m not that far from you. I would say about half of my clients tell me that other Sparkies haven’t bothered getting in touch. I guess they must be so well off they can afford to ignore work.
Definitely my kind of job 👌🏼 nice mate
Its funny seeing a timber framed shed- they are practically nonexistent here in Australia... (you could see the entire thing sitting at ground level within ten years here in many places lol)
even weirder seeing metal switch housings- its all in plastic here....
Nice install and very good price for what you have done. I personally would have put the supply on a time delay RCD being a TT system
Exactly what I was thinking
Nicolas & Adam you both good job
question I’m thinking about buying a fully enclosed utility trailer for my lawn care business and I want to install an electrical panel and inverter with built in transfer switch and shore power connector so I’m wondering should I connect a ground wire to the trailer frame so that the frame is grounded when pluged in to shore power
What do you think of those storm glands compared to the normal swa ones?
Good video mate and good work, decent price for being down south I’m Scotland and I would have priced about £1k for that so not far away as your rates will be bigger down south
Always love your vids wicked
Can't get a sparks in Ireland, and lots are rough for what they charge. Still waiting on an Irish YT Sparks! Keep up your great work Nick.
Plenty of decent dependable Electricians in Wexford.
@@williammartinculleton5875 ♥️ ..prob should have said Dublin instead of Ireland 😉 and domestic...
about £1600 was my thoughts, great vid, nice job too
Nice job, good price.
quick question im trying to wire up my shed from my house in the shed ill have 3 fridge freezers, power tools on changer what size cable and breaker would i need from my house consumer unit to shed please
I know this is just some ones own shed and not a commercial place but i would put at least two emergency lights up, one over the side door and one covering the front. Having to find stuff in a shed / workshop with no power is a pain.
Sounds a good price to me, and a nice job 👍
Worksopp is a world in it's own rite
Nice job bud 👍 I will stick to my engines thanks for your support last night much appreciated 👍
I mean. 1.4k's fine. You installed like 10 sockets in there, ran a bollocks amount of wire, everything's done neat, prim and proper. For 2-3k brackets you'd also slap easy to access metal conduits everywhere.
Good video what course is Adam doing is he on apprenticeship with you
great vid bud as always, whats happening with the transit connect now :p
Few more videos to come mate, you will just have to wait and see dude 👀
@@NBundyElectrical oh you such a tease 😂😂😂
Nice work mate
thanks Henry
Sounds like a fair price 👍
I was about to comment saying even though its a supply cable its needs rcd protection because its a tt system but seen allot of other have already stated that.
So my question is, have you gone back and done that?
There are lots of bright, energetic boys and girls doing dopey degrees for £30k debt who could watch this vid and learn something useful about the world of work. You and Adam have a good working life, the job is interesting with challenges, it changes and grows as new technology comes along and the only downsides are not getting enough work and occasionally getting stiffed on payment. Compare that to some boring job in an office. Food for thought for anyone who's not at the absolute top of the tree academically but isn't stupid.
Get yourself a dewalt electricians stapler, game changer for timber frame.
As I watched the video I tried to figure out the cost and was at about 1800. That would include the lights and certificate too.
A 16 Ohm TT.
Someone did a very good install first time around and must be a good area for soil resistivity.
A lot of sparkies seam to aim for as long as it is in the regs for RCD trip, it's good enough. Copper arn't cheap afterall.
Nice to see someone put a good electrode in and didn't just bung it in, who cares style. That being said, you can put a dual electrode in some parts and not get this kinda result..
I find 16ohm very difficult to believe. Never ever had one that low or any where near it.
One wonders exactly how that 16 ohms was measured?
Could also be due to wet ground
Which circuit was the light over the bench on?
Love ya vlogs guys.
lighting circuit mate, took a feed from the switch across
@@NBundyElectrical Yeah mate I watched the vlog again & you said you'd looped in & out of the switch - sorry pal.
Always enjoy the vlogs & your honesty.
If the main supply is TT what will be offering the sub main fault protection??
ive missed off the time delayed rcd, didn't realise you needed one while exporting tt to be honest, learnt something new today
@@NBundyElectrical ya learn something new each day as they say, good job though
Would of been nice to have installed 2 x 2 trunking and galv conduit drops around that workshop.
Then his price would have been a lot higher.
I would have quoted both ... Or discussed with the customer options on that before quoting.
@@eric4709 obviously, just saying it would of been nice, nothing more
I think I would come in around the same price, however I would have used Hager consumer unit, MK metal clad sockets so parts would have been few hundred more but then I am not VAT registered so the extra cost on parts can be offset.. I'm surprised more didnt want that job as is about as easy as it gets, no chasing, no lifting floorboards etc.. Although if customer had said he had contacted 6 other sparks I don't think I would have bothered as generally I am not the cheapest cause there are quite a few cowboys round my way...
If you're coming in at the same price, but not VAT registered, then you must only work 80 days a year. Either that or you're a cash-in-hand spark that's not paying your taxes.
So what do you charge labour per day ? 1k ?
@@Marco-mg9tv I am on my own so would take me about 2 days.. Probably about 700-800 parts, so about £300 per day... Leaves a bit on the bone incase of any problems..
6:24 Metal backboxes that are sunk into the wall and not exposed do not require a fly lead if they have at least 1 fixed lug. A metal clad surface box always requires an earth fly lead as it is an exposed conductive part.
nahh
@@yacinehachani9754 You clear arent an electrician if you think I am wrong. A metal clad surface box is an exposed conductive part as it is 'exposed'. If for whatever reason the socket was hanging off the metal clad box and was 'live' with no earth fly lead to the metal clad back box this would cause there to be a potential difference between the two.
Been nice in conduit
Why not use a 4 mm radial or better still a pair of radials, rather than the ring final, would be a lot less cable clips.
Also, why are you dropping to the sockets rather than clipped horizontal, that's a fair waste of cable.
Should have at least added another light circuit, especially having outside lights and it being a workshop.
Should really have had another earth rod at that building, looks like it has a concrete floor ?
Can I just take a moment to note the absolutely epic outro theme Nick uses for his videos. 😎
Kip Hakes did an awesome job with it!
Where’s the mechanical protection as it’s in a workshop?
Don't you need a rcd protecting the submain as it is a TT system as the impedance is to high for just a fuse
8:55 Communication is key here. Even if you are too busy, and have to turn down the work, please call back people. So many trades just ignore people now and will never call back or followup. It goes a long way to have a call back even if you can't do the job. People for their next project just might try you again down the road for another project if you were responsive and respectful towards them. Good job sir! 👍😁
Very wise words, too many arrogant tradesmen around. Which while work is about fine for them.
Couldn't agree more. Return the call even if it's to say you don't want the job. It's a pity that those who screw you around give the whole trade a bad name.
@@paulprescott7913 or maybe they don't exist just for your benefit. Maybe they're overwhelmed and just can't find the time. They're not beholden to you. Just like you don't have to use them. Doesn't make them arrogant... Get over yourself.
@@no_short_circuit and if there is 17 calls? And one of their kids is sick... Are you still more important? You don't know what other people are dealing with. So suck it up. Call someone else princess.
@@travoltasbiplane1551 🌧
Whats the disconnection time on the submain if theres an earth fault then
as other have said mate, I dont think I've ever exported a tt arrangement and forgot to install the timed delayed rcd at mains side, a good learning curve
Also, the outside light should have been on a dp switch.
Nice vlog mate, did you say the customer supplied the swa too?
Yes they did mate
@@NBundyElectrical that’s been a helpful one. I’ve just priced something similar, was a bit more but I’m supplying the swa 👍
If its tt you'd need rcd protection for the armoured. I rang NIC on this precise situation they said rcd needed. Time delayed for the feed.
Good to know thanks bud , I’ll make sure we pop back and sort it 👌
Totally agree. PME you’d be fine.
I’m surprised he hasn’t TT’d the garage supply. Could of ran 2c in and probably saved some money.
@@yrification customer realised that after buying it mate, defo would have been cheaper
I tend to fit 100ma type S rcd on the tails before it gets to the consumer unit, Wylex do one relatively cheap and then buy a wylex rec 2 isolator and swap out the isolator with the 100ma type S rcd, with metal clad consumer units its especially important with split load boards where there is single insulated cables that would not be protected by the RCD's.. TT RCD's are being used as fault protection as well as additional protection..
1400 days work few sockets fusebox db .. 🥳 winner winner chicken dinner 👍 😁
Keep ere lite 💯
Jordan would of had him down for another 25 year mortgage mate 😂 joking aside great video the boys always enjoy them and the podcasts peace brother 👍
Too true mate 😂😂
Interesting, thanks for sharing cost Nick. I would have been @ £270 parts plus 1 1/2 days labour. £500 at the UK average rate per hour. no VAT to add, either those were awfully expensive floodlights or I'm doing something wrong
270 for parts is too cheap
You're doing something wrong.
@@mohammedmunir6622 if its what they cost, the price is the price surely?
@@sunthroughtheblinds £270 will be what he pays the wholesaler. You don't sell goods for the same price you pay for them do you?
@@markrainford1219 i think the question is more what the mark up should be.
there's so much discussion about how an hourly rate should include all your overheads, and then the question of whether you charge for time to collect goods, and then what mark up should go on.
lots of bites of the cherry to choose from, but when customers see people quoting eg. 50% plus vat markup, as well as time to the wholesalers, as well as high rates, they start to ask questions.
As you said about Jordan charging he has a lot of staff to pay that don’t work on the tools before he gets his slice of the money
how was being stuck in the lift??
Not fun with no signal mate
@@NBundyElectrical 😂😂
Hi mate, is your discount code still Bundy10 for expert electrical?
Yes mate 👍
We had some electrical work done, usually, they come into our village, which is nice and well kept, trades come in and jack the prices up, thinking your well off because of the area, a little surprise for them we are all savvy around here and know what their game is , so all of us use only personally recommended trades , that don't rip us off i e, we needed the garage roof re-felting city next to us wanted £4,500, another Roofer about 30 miles away £2000, same with electrics the local city sparky £3000, , another recommended sparky with a checkable record, travelled 50 miles and charged us £ 1, 400 for the same job, we gave him and his apprentice a barbecue dinner , the full works, so the rip off merchants beware, short term gain leads to long term pain, with no work, If you lived near us we'd give you a try as I can see by your channel your a good lad.
I priced a few hundred cheaper but I'm not in VAT. You do have to be careful with surface work it can take longer than expected and I have sold myself short before.
How am I supposed to write “First!!” When I get notified an hour after it’s posted 😂 wretched RUclips 😒
Being TT, you should have used a time delayed RCD (minimum 100mA re selectivity) to provided fault protection for the distribution cct, given, at 16 ohms, Zs is too high to allow its protective device to operate in 5 seconds - so you've left it potentially dangerous.
16 Ohm Earth Z ???
I find that a bit difficult to believe - 16 ohms is a pretty low eth Z from a rod ?
Even so... 16ohms still only gives 14 -15 A prospective fault current without taking into account the R1+R2 contribution of the SWA cable at the far end ( ie Zs) .... so rendering any adequately sized upstream breaker ineffective in protecting the SWA distribution cct ( unless due to a direct fault L to N )
@@eric4709 hence the need for the RCD.
@@eric4709 He probably did a Zs at the house and not a Ra.
Overall its a pretty poor job
@@johnhoward2104 - Exactly. That is why I showed the reasoning behind it.
I didn't go on to specifically mention an RCD as I took it that: most would "see" the reasoning why an RCD is necessary in this case where - the supply is TT.
As prices, don’t we all have to pay the same for our fuel & a loaf of bread ?
To be fair if I'd have known 7 sparks have quoted I wouldn't have bothered either. They will usually go with the cheapest and the guy with limited certs, no insurance and no test cert. Unfortunately that's not me
Why use a ring final ? Either use 20A RCBO / 2.5 TE radial if no great current demand , or 32A RCBO 4mm TE radial? Keeps it simple! No faffing around with all those damned ring tests !!
( I dont think volt drop would be an issue given the likely circuit lengths ?)
Jordan’s prices are not acceptable in any area mate…. Don’t think that just because it’s Cambridge it’s acceptable, 😂, he gets the work though doesn’t he 🤝
What no Flexicon! 🤣
sadly not this time mate
What’s your day rate or hourly fee? Surely them materials supplied didn’t cost more than £350
we work on price per point mate, not day rate
@@NBundyElectrical thats interesting, thanks Nick.
See my reply above to "sunthroughtheblinds"
What do you charge per hour matey
I dont have an hour rate dude, we price per point
@@NBundyElectrical So if customer only wants one point you charge say £100 even if it’s going to take you a day ….?
@@Marco-mg9tv It wouldn't though would it?
@@sunthroughtheblinds one socket to log cabin with 100m of swa clipped to wall every 400mm …? The point is even if charging by point, which clearly he didn’t, it all comes down to time whether that’s an hourly rate or daily rate or even by point it will be based on an average time per point.
I think that would of taken me 1 1/2 days by myself - would of charged for two full days plus materials and a smidge on top.
Mate. No rcd for your submain. How were you going to rationalise that high zdb at the second board. 🤦 This is fundamental stuff. No disconnection. Lots of live parts. Scary.
Ribbed for pleasure 🤣
£250ish on parts ? £1100 on Labour for a days work not bad !
Exactly, even if Adam was getting half (he's not!) that would be £9k a month each (less quoting time). Van payment and tools not taking too much out of that..
@@sunthroughtheblinds Pricing jobs is not always straightforward.
If one is going to run a successful business, then one needs to factor in all overheads - and indeed think about what you want to earn as in "take home pay" ( ie less income tax+NI+ pension payments) What would you want to earn as a "decent wage"?
if you said say as a minimum £45,000 as gross income then - assuming you "effectively" work "on your own" say 44 weeks of the year and 40 hours per week - then you need to be taking at least £25 per hour every hour JUST to cover your wage! - now add in the apprentice, and overheads ......
..... That is - out of that £1400 has to come VAT= £233 (less VAT paid out in materials so the VAT element cost will be circa £180), the apprentice wage, +all overheads not forgetting income tax, NI, Corporation Tax if Ltd company, depreciation, maintenance, mobile phones, provision for bad debts, accountant fees and of course vehicle costs - and also ..... subsistence even meal breaks have to be paid for also.
@@eric4709 All your points are accurate in themselves, but don't acknowledge what that job earned!
Less vat and parts the job probably paid about £850. Apprentice wages (unless Adam gets more than standard rate) were £60 tops, leaving ~£800.
Very generally, even if you only work 3.5 days a week to take into account quoting and paperwork, that's still £2,800 per week or £128,800 per year, including 6 weeks holiday. Even with 10% pension, 6% NI, £500/mth van lease, fuel, etc etc, thats still a good £6k *take home* a month. If Limited company, likely to be a good amount more via tax benefits.
Not begrudging it, and obviously not all jobs will pay that, just saying that it was well paid considering Adam had his assessor there, they made a video, and said they weren't at it solidly for every hour of the day.. Crazy that other quotes were for twice that.
Get ur self up the eye hospital to sort that out mate. I had it before where I left it and the metal started to rust in my eye had to have it scrapped
What is average income a year?
Varies all over the country mate
@@NBundyElectrical just an average a year? £40k?
1 million dollars
@@DaIIen holds pinky finger in mouth
I’m £40/hr so £320 daily take home so where I am at I should be at nearly £85k a year for my area (outside of London) I work 6 days a week and only have a Sunday off currently.
Cables are not in the safe zones .?
they are clipped direct mate, and visible. not zones require here dude
you preferred a 2.5mm ring rather than a 4.0mm radial?
He’s only ever purchased one roll of 4mm. Can’t say u blame him with copper prices atm
can't be arse with 4mm mate
@@NBundyElectrical Nick please explain … what’s the hassle with 4mm? You’re better than that. Smart sparks don’t install rings these days 🤨
@@Marco-mg9tv I 100% agree Rings in a house is a pain and I never fit them unless the customer has specified for one,
But in this instance being in a workshop where all the cables are visible my eyes is very easy to locate and spur off if ever needed,
And on top of that it is what the customer asked for
I can see the benefit for a fitting a 4mm radial but can never trust that someone will come and fit loads of 2.5 mil spurs off it
@@NBundyElectrical yeah know where you are coming from mate, but a load of 2.5 spurs off a 4mm circuit arguably better than a load of 2.5 spurs off a 2.5 rfc. And you can’t dictate what some dickhead will do in future. Did an eicr the other day where a “used to be qualified “ type had rewired his house- 4 rings- only one of which had full continuity R1/Rn/R2
Stick to a price.
You ever wonder how double glazing installers drive Mercs?
Artisan would be 20k 😂
Nice joke at the end. X
Jordan would have asked for 1400 quid just as a deposit. lol.
that's a fact