Honestly, kudos to Loretta for getting herself off the streets, finishing high school and working, and then continuing her education. That is a great achievement.
Yes! That right there is the best evidence of the true strength, courage and determination of a person. Most of us never have our character tested to that extent. If we did, a lot of us would fail. I have an enormous admiration for people like Loretta!
Thank you for covering this case! Loretta had turned her life around and it's so sad that it was all taken from her by two very selfish individuals. Her sister Diem actually passed away shortly after Loretta's death, which is another sad turn to this story. Blake and Victoria are vile people. The worst part is that Victoria was recently granted escorted visits into the community! What a disgrace and slap in the face to Loretta's memory. As a Canadian, our justice system needs a lot of work.
Canada is NOTORIOUS for doing this. Look into the Vince Li case. Absolutely DISGUSTING that they would let that man free after what he did. There’s another case too I wish I could remember but something similar happened with them letting a killer have escorted visits.
What a tragedy. As a former homeless meth addict myself, it’s heartbreaking that she overcame so much, as addiction is so hard to break to be met with this fate. I hope her family can find some peace.
Her body was disposed of not far from where I live, close to the Big Stop in Moncton. I always make a point of thinking of her each time I pass by. 😌 I'm glad Coffeehouse Crime did this piece on her.
Sending lots of good vibes your way, I can’t even quit cigarettes, which is nothing to be compared, so stay strong ,many prayers sent🙏🏻💕,you got this✌🏻
I have never confronted anybody who owed me anything and I've lost more than I've kept I just follow the advice of the Lord when he said when someone asks for your coat give them your shirt also and I'm still alive and I've been in some very scary situations
For the last time, stop acting like you are the only one who knows this, its condescending and patronizing to assume you need to teach everyone else how to stay safe.
@@michellec717 God also said "Love another like yourself". Love yourself too, not just the other. There is nothing good about giving some one stuff that you need yourself. If you hurt yourself by giving something away, do not give, because you are not giving it out of love, you are doing it out of "duty" and hurting another person in the process (yourself). Love is a stream from the human heart. If a person doesn't love him/herself, then the stream stops flowing, then he/she are not truly able to love other people, just feel sorry for them (which is totally different thing). Just my opinion
@@svitanok3891 will you see this was said by the Lord Jesus Christ himself he was explaining his values in what was called parables representing how to love one another so my comment is in line with yours so I don't know what your problem is
Wow, imagine the police slowing down the search once learning she was an indigenous person. Sad all around. Rip Loretta, and thank you Adrian for the care concern you put into all of your videos. God bless
Well that's kinda nice in a way. While it's interesting, informative, and even entertaining to learn about these kinds of cases and crazy people. It also isn't great if the psychopaths and murderers get giant spotlights via things like a Netflix original or the 23431th Ted Bundy documentary.
That’s why I research and educate myself about cases like these that’s don’t get media coverage when they should. I’m from Ontario, and this case was big enough to be talk about country wide on all platforms and it’s just not!! I completely agree, we’re giving cases that have enough coverage TOO MUCH coverage (movies, documentaries etc.) and the important ones are being shadowed by them.
This case embodies what I worry about. As a Caucasian passing Mohegan woman, I worry that if I go missing there will be no coverage. No trying to find me- nothing. I appreciate you covering a case like this and bringing more light to a serious ongoing issue. Keep it up man and stay safe out there
What an incredible woman. She was able to overcome so much and had a heart of gold that loved to help others. It’s a shame that the world was robbed of her presence. May she never be forgotten
The saddest thing is they could have just left without paying her the rent they owed without taking her life. So senseless and unnecessary. Poor, poor Loretta 😢
They had been planning this for a while. They were going to blindside her and suffocate her so as not to leave evidence. They had bought a couple of hockey bags. They would steal her credit cards, purse/cash, phone, car. The killers knew her family was a long distance away. Her boyfriend seemed weird, he probably rarely came to her place. Who knows, they may have asked Loretta to stop by that day. It was 4 days before a missing person's report was filed, boyfriend never went to girlfriend's apartment to check on her. The killers took advantage of Loretta's personality and circumstances. Psychopaths are often masterminds at planning out malicious acts. They figured they would have time to travel 2,000 miles before cops figured things out.
Such a heartbreaking story. I’ve visited Nova Scotia before and the people there are so kind and humble, along with the beautiful coastline. RIP Loretta and her unborn child.
Unfortunately rising poverty and wealth inequality is leading to worsening mental health, addictions, and more violence and crime. More women and other marginalized people are stuck in abusive and toxic situations because of the housing crisis. Wages are so low and cost of living is so high. Even if you work full time it’s difficult to afford rent. It’s ridiculous. The culture here (canada) is changing to more aggressive and angry.
Hi Adrian, i know you dont usually cover unsolved cases, but i wanted to ask if you would consider covering Shanquella Robinson’s case? It desperately needs more coverage to put pressure on Mexico to do something about this, the further it goes the more worried about tourism they will be. 🙏 x
@@shaunanacole There is zero disrespect, I like and watch every video i see covered on this channel and have since i became a sub. Do you know the family? Perhaps the family would feel that their Loretta’s horrific killing was helping to bring light on other women of colour/ indigenous womens cases? Perhaps you are just a negative person
A life sentence should be just that-a LIFE sentence. Anything else is inherently dishonest. If they're going to sentence someone to "25 years to life", SAY THAT! None of this insulting bullshit about a "life sentence" that is absolutely NOTHING of the sort!
Thank you for the honourable tribute in telling Loretta‘s story Adrian. So sad to lose her life for a few measly hundred dollars as she was pursuing such an important career. Being a Canadian citizen, I hear all too often about indigenous women who go missing and are never found.
The judgement in Canada is despicable. The fact that man will be eligible for parole in 25 years after killing a pregnant woman is beyond me to understand.
Hey, do you mind if I ask you a question then? Adrian mentioned at the end that the police investigation "faltered" after they learned that Loretta was of Inuit descent, but he didn't really give any details about how that was the case. Could you shed any light on this, specifically any examples of how the investigation might have been mishandled after that point, like for example oversights or even sheer laziness that ended up delaying the eventual arrests or prosecution? I'm extremely interested in the topic of systemic failures of the police in cases of missing indigenous women, so when Adrian mentioned that point it got me asking questions... Thanks in advance!
@@pizzlerot2730 The only info I've heard or could find was that Loretta's parents felt a shift after her it was brought up that she was in fact, Inuk. Exert I found: "When they said she was a white woman, I would call to the investigators and they would answer to me and I would talk personally to the investigators and after, when they started calling her Inuk, I had to start swearing and everything to get answers," said Miriam Saunders. "After that, I started talking to this go-between." Halifax Regional Police issued a statement saying that, as part of a set process, a family liaison officer is always assigned to cases involving homicides and missing persons who "is responsible for ensuring effective communication with the family, to the extent possible without jeopardizing the investigation." In my opinion, there is alot more perceived racism today, then actual racism.
@@briannacm8741 interesting, thanks for that information. And regarding racism, there's definitely a lot of both, with different amounts of each in different geographical and societal areas. Where it gets tricky is trying to root out true systemic racism, because it's very difficult to prove and is often passed off as perceived racism. Very rarely can we point a finger at an obvious bad apple in the system; the vast majority of it is actually a manifestation of the subconscious biases of many people, so by definition we tend to not be aware of it until after the fact (if ever). It's a tough nut to crack, but that's why it's important to keep asking questions, and also to pay attention to the statistics since that's the best way to discover biases in data.
Here in the U.S., the Thanksgiving Holiday is tomorrow. I am thankful of all of the hard work and research that goes into your videos. You present these tragic stories in a very respectful manner. Thank you again.
I wouldn't be too worried at first if a grown friend or colleague went silent for a while. But when I start getting suspicious messages referring to banking apps and the like that's when I start to freak.
You have no idea how much I appreciate you covering some Canadian cases. They often get overlooked and I haven't found many RUclipsrs who cover anything from the Great White North. So thank you ❤
It boils my piss that people would commit such a vile act purely because they don't want to pay their rent? Don't wanna pay your rent, then don't rent? Why take a life for such a petty, ridiculous reason? I hope they never get out. Loretta will be missed, God bless.
This is the only channel I don't skip the intro on. Your voice is honestly very relaxing to listen to even though the content is dark. Appreciate all the work you do!! I always look forward to new videos!
Absolutely horrible those two killer's to take advantage of Loretta was bad enough but to murder her and her unborn baby is just mind blowing...thankyou Adrian for telling this sad story so respectfully 😥💜
It's no mystery why this channel has grown so quickly. Gripping storytelling every single time. The work that must go into these videos is beyond words. You're very very good at this, and I'm happy for your success. The respect you show the victims and their families is stellar, and it's obvious you don't take shortcuts. Thank You for another great, informative, educational video!!!!!!
I’m from Nova Scotia, I never expected to hear a case from here covered on RUclips! Thank you. Adrian, I also suggest looking into the mass shooting spree that happened here in April of 2020- a man impersonated a police officer and murdered 22 people.
wow....I'm from Halifax (living out of province now for school), but this case is so devastating, I remember hearing about it often. It's so terrifying to think that this happened so close to me and that people can be so evil. The justice system failed her so deeply, I hate how Canada prosecutes these cases... Rest in peace, Loretta, you deserved to live a full healthy life ❤
It's an inspiration that she had worked hard to overcome her addiction. She has a loving and supportive family. This such a tragic end to a promising life.😞
Actually, there was no evidence to support the idea that the investigation was anything but timely and thorough. As I stated in a comment above, I looked into it and discovered misinformation and assumptions. Just to sum it up, her body was found within 9 days and both defendants were sentenced to life. That shows how well the investigation was done.
I mean to expect the police to do their job is asking a lot. They literally watch homeless people drown, knock down elderly peaceful protesters, kill unarmed black folks for traffic stops, beat their wives, etc. all on our taxes!
The two were suspects from the start but if you listen closely you would know since everything was under the table there were no records of who she was renting to. So no face or name just the apartment they were renting. Within 2 weeks her body was found and they were in jail.
Thank you for covering this story in such a sensitive, compassionate way. Such a beautiful and strong woman who only wanted to do good in this world; what a tragedy and loss for not only her community, but for all of us. The fact that the case was treated differently after they learned of her Native heritage made it even sadder. We as a society, have a long way to go!
I appreciate this channel so much. This is so heartbreaking. The way you tell a story is just amazing. RIP Loretta. So much love to Yelchin and the rest of her family.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for covering another case related to the MMIWG2+ tragedy in Canada, Adrian! Please look into the case of Noelle O'Soup. It's also related to this, and is a crazy story, the stuff of nightmares!
It's outrageous that she would be forced to move schools for punching a groper. Why is the school system here so fond of punishing people for standing up for themselves while the instigator gets a firm slap on the wrist?
Exactly. A kid who does that should be immediately expelled, and there should be strict schools people like that get sent to where they can still learn and benefit from oversight, yet be removed from the general public. ENOUGH with the permissiveness in western society - it is disgusting.
She wasn't forced to move by the school, it was her parents choice to remove her. School's definitely ignore low level persistent bullying and then overreact when the victim stands up for themselves but you make it sound like she was expelled or something.
@David Hughes Some people would rather be outraged by their emotional reaction than actually pay attention to the facts. I agree with you, apparently basic comprehension skills have become increasingly uncommon.
I love your videos. How you take the time to learn about the town or city the victims died in and about the care and respect you show not only the dead but the families & friends that may may be watching. I even got one of my sister's and 2 of my children to subscribe that's how much I appreciate your content. I see more subscribers in the future comings your way. Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving to you & your family.
This issue of missing and murdered indigenous women is still a huge problem here in Canada. And the treatment of our Native people is abhorrent still in 2022, SHAMEFUL. Thank you for sharing Loretta's story
Unfortunately its not just Canada. In America our legal system kind of ends in a clusterfuck where Native and Indigenous rights begin and a LOT of people seem to be willing to take advantage of that.
@@local_cryptid yes it seems all indigenous peoples have been treated horribly in this world. I know the Aboriginal people of Australia are also very poorly treated still. We could learn a great deal from our First Nation's people's, as I have. The culture is so much more accepting and each person makes a contribution and is valued as part of the community.
More than one-third (38%) of persons accused of homicide in 2017 were identified by police as Indigenous. This proportion has been increasing since 2014 when 31% of persons accused of homicide were Indigenous. The rate of Indigenous people accused of homicide in 2017 was 12 times higher than the rate of non-Indigenous accused (11.12 vs. 0.93 per 100,000 population). That's a big problem too, but is utterly ignored for sone reason.
Adrian, you’ve created the best atmosphere and staging for your “Coffeehouse Crime”. No other crime channel has such an impressive “room”. ❄️ You have a wonderful, respectful and interested following. May be the best on YT!
Hi Coffee House Crime. Again I hope those trashy losers who killed her basically rot in hell. There wasn't any reason for her murder except they were greedy & uncaring about anyone but themselves. Hope to see you soon, peace & Happy Holidays! Love, Janine Smiley✌👍🙏💅🆒️💯❗❕😏😀🙂😍🤗⌚🛋🏡🎄🎁🎊🎉🎀🌺🌹
Thank-you for covering this one. I live in Harrow and remember this well. I worked in a store at the time and remember serving them. So sorry Loretta, peace and love.
I just subscribed to you a bit ago and have been trying to go through your whole library. Thank you for covering these stories and doing it with respect.
I live in Vancouver BC. This one hits close to home as my friend Andrea was one of Willie Picton's victims. It's common knowledge the police "faltered" in that investigation as well. Thanks for all you do Adrian. ❤
I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. I live in Van too and the police have disappointed in so many cases, especially when indigenous people are targeted
I'm so sorry for your loss. Sadly, I find a lot of younger people don't even know that that POS picton existed; sad because your friend Andrea and all those lost, especially so horrifically, should never be forgotten. Sending my love, for whatever that's worth, and I hope you and her family have been able to heal over time
I read a book about that case, written by a female police detective. It was a savage indictment of the way white male detectives go about dealing with crimes against indigenous women. The author was traumatized by police behavior and the lack of ethics on the part of some of the male detectives.
Sad that I live right in Nova Scotia, literally an hr from Halifax and used to live in Halifax myself, and I didn’t even hear about her. Thank you for doing this case.
I dated a woman whose brother was murdered and tortured in a horrific case in Halifax. Also, I knew a serial rapist and killer in Halifax as well. True things.
Thank you ever so much for covering this heart-breaking case. Loretta would have been such a wonderful spokesperson for indigenous women in Canada and those 2 horrific monsters murdered her because they wouldn’t pay rent. There is a much older case I will suggest to you: Helen Betty Osborne. Her case was the first realization that I had about the plight of indigenous women in Canada. 🇨🇦
We appreciate you for your hard work and spreading awareness. Unfortunately not everyone can be safe😢. For those who read this, always be safe and look out for one another ❤. Thanks Adrian❤
Thank you for making this video about a beautiful lady who also happened to be my neighbor in Spryfield,a suburb of Halifax, Nova Scotia. Canada 🇨🇦. I also happen to live there as well and I'll never forget Loretta,may she RIP ❣️ Lysa Marriott
Adrian…. Ah, there was a time I could be guaranteed to be one of the first few to see your pieces. Now I’m a minion in the mosh pit 😂😂😂 It’s been an honour and pleasure watching you and your channel grow in professionalism and warmth. Thank you ❤
I've seen this on another channel previously. As a Canadian, this is a very very sad loss. RIP Loretta🌹 On a brighter note, I love the blooper at the end 😉
I think it's worth mentioning that Loretta's sibling, Diem (formerly Delilah) had been a strong voice for Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women up until their death in 2021 as well.
It is dangerous to go alone when we wanted to ask for payment (loan, borrowed money and so on). There was a case where a landlady feeling frustated with the tenants who refused to pay any rent for 3 months. When she went to see them, it end up with murders. The tenants killed both the landlady and her husband.
I am from canada and yes we regularly use kijiji for stuff like this. But I feel very sorry for the friends, family, partner, and their future child for what happened to them. Helping a stranger out can have some terrible consequences
This story is so, so sad. It really hit me harder than most of your other cases. I'm so sorry to Loretta and her family, her husband. This breaks my heart. RIP sweet lady.
I've seen this case presented before and yet had to watch your take on it Adrian. As I expected, your video surpasses others on this case...you manage to present in a consistently empathetic way without being gratuitous. You lay stress on the value of the lives lost and always manage to honour them. Thank you.
Thank you for covering this, Adrian! Finally, someone gave her story the attention and respect it needed. You are by far the best crime channel I've stumbled across.
Greetings once again from nova Scotia, this story hits close to home, missing indigenous women is an epidemic of shame,in this country. I firmly believe, if the media/police were not aware of her mixed heritage, things would have played out different. The GREATEST shame on our country is how the first nations people are treated, by the powers that be. Thank you for being so tactful and kind in your video, thank you for your time and attention to this comment, be safe and as always best regards, Arthur
"More than one-third (38%) of persons accused of homicide in 2017 were identified by police as Indigenous. This proportion has been increasing since 2014 when 31% of persons accused of homicide were Indigenous. The rate of Indigenous people accused of homicide in 2017 was 12 times higher than the rate of non-Indigenous accused (11.12 vs. 0.93 per 100,000 population)." - Canadian department of Justice. Weird how that's never talked about.
@@mjanny6330 do you think they do crime because they are aboriginal and it’s in their biology? Or because lower socioeconomic status puts a demographic at a higher rate of crime ? If the lower socioeconomic status overlaps with a specific demographic (aboriginal) meaningfully , some people link the crime to the ethnicity instead of linking it to the poverty. Alleviate the poverty and you can alleviate the crime. Systemic ills require systemic solutions. But some people don’t want anything to change because they think increasing the systemic support for poor people will somehow make it worse for the rich people. When in reality “A rising tide raises all ships”.
Your documentaries always move me, this one more than most! What a tragedy (they all are), just felt compelled to say something this time.... WTF is wrong with people to do anything like this??? Just terrible....
Hi Adrian, I was wondering if you could cover the case of Ryan Johnson of Aloha, Oregon. He was shot and killed in broad daylight by his baby mothers father.
Here in the US, Blake would never get out of prison, maybe even have gotten the death sentence depending on the state due to Loretta being pregnant. Canada really should rethink their laws regarding murder imo. Excellent video as always, I appreciate the hard work you put into them, thank you.
He got life. He has a chance for parole after 25 years, but fat chance of that happening. Plus, a lot can happen in prison in 25 years to make him ineligible for parole.
Can you look into Debanhi Escobar's case? Mexico is going through some horrifying femicides lately, great video as always RIP Loretta and her baby, 😢🙏🏻
I'm Canadian, but I've never heard of this case. How heartbreaking that Loretta and her unborn baby lost their lives, just as she had fought back from addiction and gotten her life back on a positive track. She had such a promising and fulfilling future ahead of her. 💔 I love the pronunciation of Sobeys as so-BAYS...makes it sound so bougie and upmarket.
@@Terri_MacKay I'm not familiar with either of those as I'm from the US. When I looked up Tim Hortons, I was chuckling because it sounded so nice. Lol. I'm guessing No Frills might be similar to Walmart and FreshCo might be similar to Costco here. Why is that so funny to me?! 😂 Whatever the case, now I need to hear him pronounce them. 😂
@@VioletJoy We have Walmart and Costco...No Frills and Freshco are lower priced grocery stores. They don't have "extras" like deli/meat counters, bakeries, or fresh ready to go meals, so that allows them to charge less for groceries. A useless piece of trivia...I live in Hamilton, Ontario...home of the first Time Hortons. Timmies is so popular here, and we have so many, that I don't think anyone lives more than 10 minutes away from one (or more). There are intersections with Timmies on 2 of the corners, and they'll both do booming business. 🍩😊🍩
This is one of the saddest episode. This beautiful young woman over came so much hardship and worked so hard to have a great future. Only to be murdered for nothing by two callus losers. Her family and community loved her! My deepest condolences. 😭
Being from Newfoundland, this hits close. We all followed this and being an island of caring people, we need to know that our family and friends are safe and stay close, (communication wise). Such a sweet soul she was and you described her so beautifully and respectful, thank-you for that... RIP Loretta, condolences to her family. Never conduct anything potentially conflicting with another person or group without a family member or another friend with you...
You know the saying that “don’t judge a book by it’s cover” it doesn’t apply on this case. Those couple had red flags written all over them to prevent this situation happening, their looks is very devilish so there’s no way I I’ll rent out a place to them or have anything to do with them.
I have lived in Halifax all of my life and this whole situation absolutely broke the hearts of everyone who lives here. I have always loved your channel here on youtube and I want to thank you for doing such a good job on this story. They are monsters and I hope they rot in hell. May Loretta rest in peace. Thank you Adrian and keep up the good work. Take c are.
Just found Coffeehouse Crime a couple of weeks ago, and I gotta say this channel has become one of my true crime favorites to listen to while I sit in my office at work. Been catching up on all the episodes last week and this week. Much love for all you do while researching and discussing all of your cases.
Such a sad loss of a young life. Adrian can just say how much I enjoy you saying "Good evening, Good morning, Good afternoon" 😅 and to grab a cup of coffee. Your voice is so soothing. Well done mate 👍
Thank you so much for contributing to what Loretta was trying to do by bringing some awareness about MMIW. I'm like her, Indigenous but white passing, and it makes you feel like you're on the outside looking in sometimes, on your own culture. For me, if makes me feel like I have to be even more vocal about who I am- advocate louder, celebrate bigger. I can see why she cared so much. I hope that if nothing else, Loretta's case can lead to better outcomes in the cases of other Indigenous women.
@@VioletJoy While it's true that we are all human, there is no default Culture or 'race'. Being indigenous is a huge part of cultural identity and there's no such thing as a person without a culture. I shouldn't have to pretend Im *not* indigenous for other people to see me as human first. Only people who see themselves as "Default" and "best" don't identify the nuances of that. Its ethnocentric and short sighted. So no. The mistreatment of Indigenous women will ALWAYS be a problem until it doesn't happen anymore. Because the alternative is erasure and ignorance to the pain of, go figure, other humans.
I’ve seen this case before on a television show called “Murder On CCTV” on The Crime & Investigation Network. I still watched every minute of this video though Adrian, you are a great story teller and you included details that even the television show didn’t. Thank you for all the time and effort you put in to making these videos for us all to watch. I have mentioned this before but could you please do some research into the murder spree of Maksim Gelman. I’d love to hear you tell that story. Thanks again, Nick, east coast of England.
Thank you for sharing this story, @Coffeehouse Crime. Rest in peace, Loretta Saunders. There are still so many that are unsolved. Say their names. They are not forgotten and they matter. Kaysera Stops Pretty Places. Marie Walkingstick. Misty Upton. Olivia Lone Bear. Savannah Greywind. Deanna McCoy. Countless others. Say their name.
Say this first: "More than one-third (38%) of persons accused of homicide in 2017 were identified by police as Indigenous. This proportion has been increasing since 2014 when 31% of persons accused of homicide were Indigenous. The rate of Indigenous people accused of homicide in 2017 was 12 times higher than the rate of non-Indigenous accused (11.12 vs. 0.93 per 100,000 population)." - Canadian department of Justice.
It always amazes me that LE does so little for these women. No aerial searches, cadaver dogs, focused interviews, etc. It is infuriating and heart breaking. May they rest in peace.
I’m honestly surprised they got that much of a sentence because in Canada even murderers usually get light sentences. Anyone who does something like this should never be released.
I find it weird that the boyfriend let her go alone to the apartment. If you need to go and force money from someone always take someone with you. Preferably a massive bruiser bloke.
I found it weird her parents let her move to Montreal alone at 15! Perhaps she ran away from home, but the way it was narrated it seemed like it was planned out and the family allowed it.
@@esteemedmortal5917 Could have got her in trouble though as it sounds like she was illegally subletting it. Much better just to go and force them out yourself.
That's what really got to me about the Gabby Petito case. All media scrambled and kept on about how she was a RUclipsr. She may have wanted to be one but had literally only uploaded 1 video. Meanwhile in the same state of Wyoming over 700 Native women have gone missing in JUST Wyoming from 2011 to 2020. That's on average a little over 6.5 women A MONTH. No national news about that. That's over 1 disappearance every week. But you get a pretty blonde haired woman missing and they brought out EVERYONE. All law enforcement, 10s of thousands of searchers. I'm sorry Gabby disappeared but it is a stark contrast in "who" is important in the news. 710 women in just 9 years. And that's just for Wyoming. This is a crazy epidemic happening in the Midwest and Canada with Native Women. There's either a bunch of serial killers freely hunting or its being done by a large agency. For why? I have no clue. But the stats speak for themselves. Gabby was on every news outlet everywhere every hour for weeks. And we still haven't heard the name of 1 Native woman. It's scary to think that there is some sort of organized hunting of humans going on as we speak.
this is such a tragic story, she devoted her life to studying these cases and ended as a case she would be studying. Sidenote, I hope Nero is getting better
To be fair, it's not similar at all, as she wasn't targeted due to being part Inuk. She just happened to sublet her apartment out to sketchy people who didn't want to pay the rent and were willing to kill for it. 💔
I love how you start by giving an in-depth, genuine, honest insight into who the person was before they became a victim to crime, presenting them as a complex human with hopes and dreams rather than relying on the usual cliches. It definitely helps you appreciate what a loss to the world their untimely, senseless death created.
I hadn't heard of this case before, despite being Canadian. I remember studying the Highway of Tears and how the systemic issues with crimes against indigenous peoples is so prevalent, when I was in university. Which is probably why I hadn't heard of it because of how indigenous issues are so often smothered in the news. It's so bad that I grew up seeing it all the time and everywhere I travelled in Canada. There are so many people here who believe it is an issue of the past. (Peers of mine went to an exhibition by Kent Monkman, and so many people were saying things like "I'm glad this kind of racism doesn't exist anymore.) It's so heartbreaking that she was victimized by her tennants and the legal system, with her dedication to indigenous issues. I still see it so often not just in public but even within family. With how my MIL talks about how her own mother had dated indigenous men and some hints of underlying disdain (that she may be the product of such a relationship). Also how the stigma and prejudice not only stems from traditions of WASP people, but extends to new immgrants by making it somehow acceptable for new citizens to involve themselves in the prejudices against indigenous people. (My brother and I had pretty racist immigrant parents, and it often was exhausting for us (my grandparents, my younger brother, and myself to try to correct their prejudices.) Cases like this always make me nauseous... Also the way the murderer held that hockey bag in the apartment lobby footage was sus... who the heck carries a hockey bag like that? You shoulder it and go. That part literally had me screaming at the screen.
Just to note, police did absolutely nothing wrong in this case. Loretta's mother's claims were false. I looked into it and the investigation was very thorough and swift. It seems very likely that her mother was looking for problems that weren't there. Many people, no matter their race, are discriminated or mistreated for one reason or another. The idea of chronic indigenous mistreatment by police is simply false. If you look at the data, it's very clear. Actually, if you speak to police officers, you'll see that it's not accurate. While there are always racist people in every walk of life, ironically, white people are generally the least racist. It is really frowned upon by many cultures to date, marry, it even have friends outside their race. But it's very popular to point toward one group and make them the bad guy. I grieve for humanity.
@@VioletJoy You are entitled to your opinion. My personal experiences have observed otherwise. I am married to a retired officer, I have relatives who work within the criminal justice system, and unfortunately that really isn't the case. My experience tells me otherwise as well as schollarly data I studied in the Social Justice classes I had in university. Whether the claims from the mother herself are false or not, Indigenous issues with racism are a very real thing as well as the racism that impacts them from places of authority. There is much investigation of policing in Canada in various areas that are being investigated internally by SIU regularly which is often on various websites for Canadian social issues, invluding that of various police services' websites, government websites, Human Rights Comission of Canada. If you access JSTOR, which is often used as academic/peer-reviewed documents there are many articles that cite certain dates and evidence which potentially suggests that there is still racism within systems of authority in Canada. Most officers arent racist, but some do slip through the cracks and some areas it is common place to make remarks or have actions based on their personal prejudices.
Honestly, kudos to Loretta for getting herself off the streets, finishing high school and working, and then continuing her education. That is a great achievement.
I agree, I have so much respect for her for doing that, she had a lot of strength in her. Her life never should have ended this way.
@@aftertheheadlines If he stole it, call him out on it by all means, who did he rip off?
@@aftertheheadlines You need to show some proof. Shot for shot?
Yes! That right there is the best evidence of the true strength, courage and determination of a person. Most of us never have our character tested to that extent. If we did, a lot of us would fail. I have an enormous admiration for people like Loretta!
The world has lost a strong, lovely girl. Wushing her family peace.
Thank you for covering this case! Loretta had turned her life around and it's so sad that it was all taken from her by two very selfish individuals. Her sister Diem actually passed away shortly after Loretta's death, which is another sad turn to this story.
Blake and Victoria are vile people. The worst part is that Victoria was recently granted escorted visits into the community! What a disgrace and slap in the face to Loretta's memory. As a Canadian, our justice system needs a lot of work.
Disgusting indeed. Incomprehensible. In Canada murder is just another step in a voyage of personal growth.
i wouldnt live in halifax for free
Canada is NOTORIOUS for doing this. Look into the Vince Li case. Absolutely DISGUSTING that they would let that man free after what he did. There’s another case too I wish I could remember but something similar happened with them letting a killer have escorted visits.
@@allison257 Yes, in Canada murder just becomes a step in a journey of personal growth and self discovery.
If I was Loretta’s dad, brother, boyfriend I would be salivating for the moment Victoria got a pass from prison. I’d get mine for sure.
What a tragedy. As a former homeless meth addict myself, it’s heartbreaking that she overcame so much, as addiction is so hard to break to be met with this fate. I hope her family can find some peace.
🫶stay strong my friend ❤
Her body was disposed of not far from where I live, close to the Big Stop in Moncton. I always make a point of thinking of her each time I pass by. 😌 I'm glad Coffeehouse Crime did this piece on her.
Sending lots of good vibes your way, I can’t even quit cigarettes, which is nothing to be compared, so stay strong ,many prayers sent🙏🏻💕,you got this✌🏻
@@buggiebuild1 I totally get it about the cigs! Haven’t stopped that either but one thing at a time! Thank you! 💫
@@MsPopeye65 thank you!
For the last time, don’t EVER confront someone over money alone in a private location. Call the police, bring others with you, meet in public.
I have never confronted anybody who owed me anything and I've lost more than I've kept I just follow the advice of the Lord when he said when someone asks for your coat give them your shirt also and I'm still alive and I've been in some very scary situations
@@michellec717 🤣🤣🤣
For the last time, stop acting like you are the only one who knows this, its condescending and patronizing to assume you need to teach everyone else how to stay safe.
@@michellec717 God also said "Love another like yourself". Love yourself too, not just the other. There is nothing good about giving some one stuff that you need yourself. If you hurt yourself by giving something away, do not give, because you are not giving it out of love, you are doing it out of "duty" and hurting another person in the process (yourself). Love is a stream from the human heart. If a person doesn't love him/herself, then the stream stops flowing, then he/she are not truly able to love other people, just feel sorry for them (which is totally different thing). Just my opinion
@@svitanok3891 will you see this was said by the Lord Jesus Christ himself he was explaining his values in what was called parables representing how to love one another so my comment is in line with yours so I don't know what your problem is
Wow, imagine the police slowing down the search once learning she was an indigenous person. Sad all around. Rip Loretta, and thank you Adrian for the care concern you put into all of your videos. God bless
God it's always so chilling to see surveillance footage when the killer has some bag or case, knowing the victim is inside...
Makes me aroused
💔😥💔
Agreed, it's so dehumanizing.
Yes, just awful
Disturbing...to say the least
"It turns out, Victoria couldn't keep a secret." Good one Adrian, I see what u did there 😉
I'm glad atleast someone recognised the joke! Haha
Well observed ! I missed that. He’s sneeky clever isn’t he Adrian
Went right over my head until I saw this comment. Definitely a good play on words 😌👍
What ?
@@maoinc13 victoria's secret
I am Canadian and half the cases Adrian covers from Canada I’ve never even heard about. Keep up the hard work!
Well that's kinda nice in a way. While it's interesting, informative, and even entertaining to learn about these kinds of cases and crazy people. It also isn't great if the psychopaths and murderers get giant spotlights via things like a Netflix original or the 23431th Ted Bundy documentary.
That’s why I research and educate myself about cases like these that’s don’t get media coverage when they should. I’m from Ontario, and this case was big enough to be talk about country wide on all platforms and it’s just not!!
I completely agree, we’re giving cases that have enough coverage TOO MUCH coverage (movies, documentaries etc.) and the important ones are being shadowed by them.
My husband's from Canada, I love how he said Newfoundland LOL I love Canada it's so beautiful Coast to Coast
@@greendragon4058 I loved his pronunciation of Sobeys (so-BAYS)...made it sound so bougie and high-class.
@@Terri_MacKay you're right but he's so darn adorable you can just bypass all that
This case embodies what I worry about. As a Caucasian passing Mohegan woman, I worry that if I go missing there will be no coverage. No trying to find me- nothing. I appreciate you covering a case like this and bringing more light to a serious ongoing issue. Keep it up man and stay safe out there
What an incredible woman. She was able to overcome so much and had a heart of gold that loved to help others. It’s a shame that the world was robbed of her presence. May she never be forgotten
No, she was weak. She didn't have much to overcome since she was healthy and had family support. But she was weak and thus became a drug addict.
You probably don’t know that you have at least 1 addict in your life-addiction is a disease, not a moral failing.
The saddest thing is they could have just left without paying her the rent they owed without taking her life. So senseless and unnecessary. Poor, poor Loretta 😢
Ikr they moved out of the place immediately after anyways …
@@cubonefan3 granted they were using HER car.
They had been planning this for a while. They were going to blindside her and suffocate her so as not to leave evidence. They had bought a couple of hockey bags. They would steal her credit cards, purse/cash, phone, car. The killers knew her family was a long distance away. Her boyfriend seemed weird, he probably rarely came to her place. Who knows, they may have asked Loretta to stop by that day. It was 4 days before a missing person's report was filed, boyfriend never went to girlfriend's apartment to check on her. The killers took advantage of Loretta's personality and circumstances. Psychopaths are often masterminds at planning out malicious acts. They figured they would have time to travel 2,000 miles before cops figured things out.
Such a heartbreaking story. I’ve visited Nova Scotia before and the people there are so kind and humble, along with the beautiful coastline. RIP Loretta and her unborn child.
Unfortunately rising poverty and wealth inequality is leading to worsening mental health, addictions, and more violence and crime. More women and other marginalized people are stuck in abusive and toxic situations because of the housing crisis.
Wages are so low and cost of living is so high. Even if you work full time it’s difficult to afford rent.
It’s ridiculous. The culture here (canada) is changing to more aggressive and angry.
Pretty much like USA, the great divide of wealth inequality.....I wonder when the tide will turn..
@@AngelaEAwesome what I was going to say
@@AngelaEAwesome right? I'm scared living in Canada now and thats so unreal
@@Fogysoks4709 so scary, I've been really dreaming about relocating to Canada from Africa
CCTV is always so eerie when people leave with a large bag or suitcase and you know there is the body of a human inside
The photo of her brothers holding her photo and holding back their tears is absolutely heartbreaking. She obviously was dearly loved.
I've been homeless before and always wanted to be a detective helping the most vulnerable. I see myself so much in her, may she rest in peace ❤️
Same here
Hi Adrian, i know you dont usually cover unsolved cases, but i wanted to ask if you would consider covering Shanquella Robinson’s case? It desperately needs more coverage to put pressure on Mexico to do something about this, the further it goes the more worried about tourism they will be. 🙏 x
Yes!! So sad
Maybe send that in a private message or something rather than disrespect the family of the murdered woman in this video...
@@shaunanacole how is this disrespectful
@@shaunanacole she is not disrespecting anyone, are you serious!
@@shaunanacole There is zero disrespect, I like and watch every video i see covered on this channel and have since i became a sub. Do you know the family? Perhaps the family would feel that their Loretta’s horrific killing was helping to bring light on other women of colour/ indigenous womens cases? Perhaps you are just a negative person
I'm Canadian and it's such ridiculous to only get 10 and 25 years prison for murder! RIP Loretta and your precious baby! 🙏
Plus she has already had 8 day passes, Canadian [justice] system is a joke.
@@rullmourn1142 I'm Canadian & you're so right that our justice system is a joke.
Our our justice system is a joke when it comes to stuff like this.
@@tamarawebb76 I wonder what will happen next for people who get buster for serious crimes! House Arrest. Life in prison needs to be just that.
A life sentence should be just that-a LIFE sentence. Anything else is inherently dishonest. If they're going to sentence someone to "25 years to life", SAY THAT! None of this insulting bullshit about a "life sentence" that is absolutely NOTHING of the sort!
Thank you for the honourable tribute in telling Loretta‘s story Adrian. So sad to lose her life for a few measly hundred dollars as she was pursuing such an important career.
Being a Canadian citizen, I hear all too often about indigenous women who go missing and are never found.
Adrian, your compassion when describing the cases, the victims, their families and communities is most welcome. Please keep doing what you’re doing.
We really needed someone like her, I hope she is able to rest in peace.
You mean a drug addict?
I am from Newfoundland and this case has always absolutely shaken me😢 thank you for your amazing coverage as always! 🥰
I'm from Newfoundland, too!!! 😃
I'm from NL as well!!!!! small world!
Another Newfie here. I'll even give him a pass on the pronounciation.
Nova Scotian here! This case shook the Maritimes.
@@billyb7119 🤣😂
Loretta was a close friend of a friend of mine. Absolutely disgusting what they did to this poor girl...all over rent money! Deplorable!
The judgement in Canada is despicable. The fact that man will be eligible for parole in 25 years after killing a pregnant woman is beyond me to understand.
@@michaels7325 100% agree 🙌
Hey, do you mind if I ask you a question then? Adrian mentioned at the end that the police investigation "faltered" after they learned that Loretta was of Inuit descent, but he didn't really give any details about how that was the case. Could you shed any light on this, specifically any examples of how the investigation might have been mishandled after that point, like for example oversights or even sheer laziness that ended up delaying the eventual arrests or prosecution? I'm extremely interested in the topic of systemic failures of the police in cases of missing indigenous women, so when Adrian mentioned that point it got me asking questions... Thanks in advance!
@@pizzlerot2730 The only info I've heard or could find was that Loretta's parents felt a shift after her it was brought up that she was in fact, Inuk.
Exert I found:
"When they said she was a white woman, I would call to the investigators and they would answer to me and I would talk personally to the investigators and after, when they started calling her Inuk, I had to start swearing and everything to get answers," said Miriam Saunders. "After that, I started talking to this go-between."
Halifax Regional Police issued a statement saying that, as part of a set process, a family liaison officer is always assigned to cases involving homicides and missing persons who "is responsible for ensuring effective communication with the family, to the extent possible without jeopardizing the investigation."
In my opinion, there is alot more perceived racism today, then actual racism.
@@briannacm8741 interesting, thanks for that information. And regarding racism, there's definitely a lot of both, with different amounts of each in different geographical and societal areas. Where it gets tricky is trying to root out true systemic racism, because it's very difficult to prove and is often passed off as perceived racism. Very rarely can we point a finger at an obvious bad apple in the system; the vast majority of it is actually a manifestation of the subconscious biases of many people, so by definition we tend to not be aware of it until after the fact (if ever). It's a tough nut to crack, but that's why it's important to keep asking questions, and also to pay attention to the statistics since that's the best way to discover biases in data.
Here in the U.S., the Thanksgiving Holiday is tomorrow. I am thankful of all of the hard work and research that goes into your videos. You present these tragic stories in a very respectful manner. Thank you again.
Happy thanksgiving I'd love to experience how it is just once, I'm from the UK thanksgiving just isnt a thing here do you prefer it to Christmas?
"Here in the U.S., the Thanksgiving Holiday is tomorrow" do the indigenous "Indians" celebrate this holiday with the same fervour ?
@Tariq Sharif they should, almost everything they use, need and enjoy come from that interaction.
@@mjanny6330 Along with the subsequent loss of their land, independence and the introduction of disease.
Happy thanksgiving!
How can these monsters ever be considered for parole? What a terrible crime; that poor girl 😥💔
Dealt with in a very touching way 👏
Canadas legal system is absurdly broken
Why capital punishment is a good idea.
I wouldn't be too worried at first if a grown friend or colleague went silent for a while. But when I start getting suspicious messages referring to banking apps and the like that's when I start to freak.
You have to understand a lot of people probably thought she had relapsed or something
as an inuk my heart aches for her family and community. rest peacefully, Loretta ❤️
no more stolen sisters.
You have no idea how much I appreciate you covering some Canadian cases. They often get overlooked and I haven't found many RUclipsrs who cover anything from the Great White North. So thank you ❤
It boils my piss that people would commit such a vile act purely because they don't want to pay their rent? Don't wanna pay your rent, then don't rent? Why take a life for such a petty, ridiculous reason? I hope they never get out. Loretta will be missed, God bless.
I agree. And it boils mine too. There were a billion other ways for them to handle being homeless in Canada.
Boils piss? Is this an unheard saying people use? I'm gonna have to try this out lol
@@Jetsua02 hahaha its used very often here in the UK!
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Some people are grossly entitled and/or parasitic.
This is the only channel I don't skip the intro on. Your voice is honestly very relaxing to listen to even though the content is dark. Appreciate all the work you do!! I always look forward to new videos!
Absolutely horrible those two killer's to take advantage of Loretta was bad enough but to murder her and her unborn baby is just mind blowing...thankyou Adrian for telling this sad story so respectfully 😥💜
She probably deserved it
@@kalahrenee she deserved to be murdered wth ??? 😥
It's no mystery why this channel has grown so quickly. Gripping storytelling every single time. The work that must go into these videos is beyond words. You're very very good at this, and I'm happy for your success.
The respect you show the victims and their families is stellar, and it's obvious you don't take shortcuts.
Thank You for another great, informative, educational video!!!!!!
I’m from Nova Scotia, I never expected to hear a case from here covered on RUclips! Thank you.
Adrian, I also suggest looking into the mass shooting spree that happened here in April of 2020- a man impersonated a police officer and murdered 22 people.
I'm glad you touch on the indigenous side and don't shy away from it. Well done, mate.
wow....I'm from Halifax (living out of province now for school), but this case is so devastating, I remember hearing about it often. It's so terrifying to think that this happened so close to me and that people can be so evil. The justice system failed her so deeply, I hate how Canada prosecutes these cases...
Rest in peace, Loretta, you deserved to live a full healthy life ❤
What did you mean by saying the justice system failed her?
It's an inspiration that she had worked hard to overcome her addiction. She has a loving and supportive family. This such a tragic end to a promising life.😞
Indeed
Love your way of covering this story I hope the day comes soon for the respect that indigenous people deserve .my condolences to the family x
Actually, there was no evidence to support the idea that the investigation was anything but timely and thorough. As I stated in a comment above, I looked into it and discovered misinformation and assumptions. Just to sum it up, her body was found within 9 days and both defendants were sentenced to life. That shows how well the investigation was done.
Why did police not watch the whole apartment building's security tape right away? How were they satisfied watching her go in, but not come out?
I thought the same! It's like basic investigation procedure!
I mean to expect the police to do their job is asking a lot. They literally watch homeless people drown, knock down elderly peaceful protesters, kill unarmed black folks for traffic stops, beat their wives, etc. all on our taxes!
The hell are you guys talking about? They solved this case almost immediately
The two were suspects from the start but if you listen closely you would know since everything was under the table there were no records of who she was renting to. So no face or name just the apartment they were renting. Within 2 weeks her body was found and they were in jail.
@@lolmanyeah1 😒
Aw shit. I forgot that she was pregnant until the closing. It's like kicking someone when they're down when you realise.
Same
Thank you for covering this story in such a sensitive, compassionate way. Such a beautiful and strong woman who only wanted to do good in this world; what a tragedy and loss for not only her community, but for all of us. The fact that the case was treated differently after they learned of her Native heritage made it even sadder. We as a society, have a long way to go!
Why must these senseless,
horrible acts happen 😞
RIP Beautiful Loretta ✨
I appreciate this channel so much. This is so heartbreaking. The way you tell a story is just amazing. RIP Loretta. So much love to Yelchin and the rest of her family.
I'm sure you are crying...
THANK YOU SO MUCH for covering another case related to the MMIWG2+ tragedy in Canada, Adrian!
Please look into the case of Noelle O'Soup. It's also related to this, and is a crazy story, the stuff of nightmares!
Yes, once again, another very disturbing case!
It's outrageous that she would be forced to move schools for punching a groper. Why is the school system here so fond of punishing people for standing up for themselves while the instigator gets a firm slap on the wrist?
It's like that everywhere. Nothing is done to help the victims until you fight back -- but then you are also treated like a bully.
Exactly. A kid who does that should be immediately expelled, and there should be strict schools people like that get sent to where they can still learn and benefit from oversight, yet be removed from the general public. ENOUGH with the permissiveness in western society - it is disgusting.
She wasn't forced to move by the school, it was her parents choice to remove her. School's definitely ignore low level persistent bullying and then overreact when the victim stands up for themselves but you make it sound like she was expelled or something.
@@wandertree Canada tried that with it's residential schools - it didn't go very well.
@David Hughes Some people would rather be outraged by their emotional reaction than actually pay attention to the facts. I agree with you, apparently basic comprehension skills have become increasingly uncommon.
I personally got chills up my spine just seeing the photo of that couple. It was a very poor decision to deal with people like that.
I love your videos. How you take the time to learn about the town or city the victims died in and about the care and respect you show not only the dead but the families & friends that may may be watching. I even got one of my sister's and 2 of my children to subscribe that's how much I appreciate your content. I see more subscribers in the future comings your way. Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving to you & your family.
Thank you Donna, happy thanksgiving!
The English do not celebrate Thanksgiving stupid lol
He's a dual citizen, UK and USA, so he might...😋
This issue of missing and murdered indigenous women is still a huge problem here in Canada. And the treatment of our Native people is abhorrent still in 2022, SHAMEFUL.
Thank you for sharing Loretta's story
Unfortunately its not just Canada. In America our legal system kind of ends in a clusterfuck where Native and Indigenous rights begin and a LOT of people seem to be willing to take advantage of that.
@@local_cryptid yes it seems all indigenous peoples have been treated horribly in this world. I know the Aboriginal people of Australia are also very poorly treated still. We could learn a great deal from our First Nation's people's, as I have. The culture is so much more accepting and each person makes a contribution and is valued as part of the community.
More than one-third (38%) of persons accused of homicide in 2017 were identified by police as Indigenous. This proportion has been increasing since 2014 when 31% of persons accused of homicide were Indigenous. The rate of Indigenous people accused of homicide in 2017 was 12 times higher than the rate of non-Indigenous accused (11.12 vs. 0.93 per 100,000 population).
That's a big problem too, but is utterly ignored for sone reason.
@@mjanny6330 right
I’m from Nova Scotia and honestly don’t remember hearing about this case. You did a wonderful job. Thank you.
You heard about the Richard Gillie torture and murder case in 1997?
@remogatron1010 no, I would have been young in '97. I'll have to look it up!
Yes, I really appreciate listening and learning about this evil murder of this beautiful woman. I love your sensitive storytelling way.
Adrian, you’ve created the best atmosphere and staging for your “Coffeehouse Crime”. No other crime channel has such an impressive “room”. ❄️
You have a wonderful, respectful and interested following. May be the best on YT!
I agree
Thank you for covering this case. Sending love to the family and friends of Loretta and her unborn child
Give the family money
Thank you for covering this story. Loretta was from my province and such an impressive woman.
Hi Coffee House Crime. Again I hope those trashy losers who killed her basically rot in hell. There wasn't any reason for her murder except they were greedy & uncaring about anyone but themselves. Hope to see you soon, peace & Happy Holidays! Love, Janine Smiley✌👍🙏💅🆒️💯❗❕😏😀🙂😍🤗⌚🛋🏡🎄🎁🎊🎉🎀🌺🌹
I’m from Newfoundland. I remember this being all over the news and it was shocking to see the events unfold.
Thank-you for covering this one. I live in Harrow and remember this well. I worked in a store at the time and remember serving them. So sorry Loretta, peace and love.
Such a tragic loss and what a senseless heinous crime 💔💔 Her poor family left behind without her or the little one who didn’t even get a chance
I just subscribed to you a bit ago and have been trying to go through your whole library. Thank you for covering these stories and doing it with respect.
Even though some of the cases are gruesome, he still makes it almost relaxing to learn about these events.. plus a bit of local history.
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I live in Vancouver BC. This one hits close to home as my friend Andrea was one of Willie Picton's victims. It's common knowledge the police "faltered" in that investigation as well. Thanks for all you do Adrian. ❤
I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. I live in Van too and the police have disappointed in so many cases, especially when indigenous people are targeted
I'm sorry to hear that 🙏🏻
I'm so sorry for your loss. Sadly, I find a lot of younger people don't even know that that POS picton existed; sad because your friend Andrea and all those lost, especially so horrifically, should never be forgotten. Sending my love, for whatever that's worth, and I hope you and her family have been able to heal over time
There should be a task force to monitor police responses.
I read a book about that case, written by a female police detective. It was a savage indictment of the way white male detectives go about dealing with crimes against indigenous women. The author was traumatized by police behavior and the lack of ethics on the part of some of the male detectives.
Sad that I live right in Nova Scotia, literally an hr from Halifax and used to live in Halifax myself, and I didn’t even hear about her. Thank you for doing this case.
I dated a woman whose brother was murdered and tortured in a horrific case in Halifax. Also, I knew a serial rapist and killer in Halifax as well. True things.
Thank you ever so much for covering this heart-breaking case. Loretta would have been such a wonderful spokesperson for indigenous women in Canada and those 2 horrific monsters murdered her because they wouldn’t pay rent. There is a much older case I will suggest to you: Helen Betty Osborne. Her case was the first realization that I had about the plight of indigenous women in Canada. 🇨🇦
I will never forget Helen Betty Osborne ❤ horrible what happened to her.
@@jillwanlin9558: I was in shock when I heard about her story and it still haunts me today.
We appreciate you for your hard work and spreading awareness. Unfortunately not everyone can be safe😢. For those who read this, always be safe and look out for one another ❤. Thanks Adrian❤
Thank you for making this video about a beautiful lady who also happened to be my neighbor in Spryfield,a suburb of Halifax, Nova Scotia. Canada 🇨🇦. I also happen to live there as well and I'll never forget Loretta,may she RIP ❣️
Lysa Marriott
Adrian…. Ah, there was a time I could be guaranteed to be one of the first few to see your pieces. Now I’m a minion in the mosh pit 😂😂😂
It’s been an honour and pleasure watching you and your channel grow in professionalism and warmth. Thank you ❤
OMG so eloquently put and totally see you, brother lol!
Thank you! Large crowd but I still see you! Haha
I've seen this on another channel previously. As a Canadian, this is a very very sad loss. RIP Loretta🌹 On a brighter note, I love the blooper at the end 😉
Did you cry? Wahhhhhh
@@kalahrenee troll, go away
@@chelseagirl278 no doubt eh? Wow
I think it's worth mentioning that Loretta's sibling, Diem (formerly Delilah) had been a strong voice for Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women up until their death in 2021 as well.
What happened to her?
@@laurastuart3814 they passed away from accidental suffocation in 2021
@@hollyhawkins7192 how to accidentally suffocate?
“ Victoria couldn’t keep a secret after all “ is a very good phrase Adrian ! A free endorsement ! Thanks for sharing!
It is dangerous to go alone when we wanted to ask for payment (loan, borrowed money and so on). There was a case where a landlady feeling frustated with the tenants who refused to pay any rent for 3 months. When she went to see them, it end up with murders. The tenants killed both the landlady and her husband.
I am from canada and yes we regularly use kijiji for stuff like this. But I feel very sorry for the friends, family, partner, and their future child for what happened to them. Helping a stranger out can have some terrible consequences
Isn't Kijiji a Canadian Craigslist?
@@saulthechicanootaku yeah pretty much
@@saulthechicanootaku yes, but not as dodgy
@@chelseagirl278 it’s still pretty dodgy
@@violetsparkles5453 i have been on it for 16 years, i have never had a problem. craigslist is another story
Crying with a heavy heart, RIP Loretta and much love to her family and community 💕
This story is so, so sad. It really hit me harder than most of your other cases. I'm so sorry to Loretta and her family, her husband. This breaks my heart. RIP sweet lady.
I've seen this case presented before and yet had to watch your take on it Adrian. As I expected, your video surpasses others on this case...you manage to present in a consistently empathetic way without being gratuitous. You lay stress on the value of the lives lost and always manage to honour them. Thank you.
Thank you for covering this, Adrian! Finally, someone gave her story the attention and respect it needed. You are by far the best crime channel I've stumbled across.
Greetings once again from nova Scotia, this story hits close to home, missing indigenous women is an epidemic of shame,in this country. I firmly believe, if the media/police were not aware of her mixed heritage, things would have played out different. The GREATEST shame on our country is how the first nations people are treated, by the powers that be. Thank you for being so tactful and kind in your video, thank you for your time and attention to this comment, be safe and as always best regards, Arthur
"More than one-third (38%) of persons accused of homicide in 2017 were identified by police as Indigenous. This proportion has been increasing since 2014 when 31% of persons accused of homicide were Indigenous. The rate of Indigenous people accused of homicide in 2017 was 12 times higher than the rate of non-Indigenous accused (11.12 vs. 0.93 per 100,000 population)."
- Canadian department of Justice.
Weird how that's never talked about.
@@mjanny6330 do you think they do crime because they are aboriginal and it’s in their biology? Or because lower socioeconomic status puts a demographic at a higher rate of crime ? If the lower socioeconomic status overlaps with a specific demographic (aboriginal) meaningfully , some people link the crime to the ethnicity instead of linking it to the poverty. Alleviate the poverty and you can alleviate the crime.
Systemic ills require systemic solutions. But some people don’t want anything to change because they think increasing the systemic support for poor people will somehow make it worse for the rich people. When in reality “A rising tide raises all ships”.
You have the best voice for doing this.
Your documentaries always move me, this one more than most! What a tragedy (they all are), just felt compelled to say something this time.... WTF is wrong with people to do anything like this??? Just terrible....
Hi Adrian, I was wondering if you could cover the case of Ryan Johnson of Aloha, Oregon. He was shot and killed in broad daylight by his baby mothers father.
Here in the US, Blake would never get out of prison, maybe even have gotten the death sentence depending on the state due to Loretta being pregnant. Canada really should rethink their laws regarding murder imo. Excellent video as always, I appreciate the hard work you put into them, thank you.
He got life. He has a chance for parole after 25 years, but fat chance of that happening. Plus, a lot can happen in prison in 25 years to make him ineligible for parole.
Here in the US they could have gotten 10 years. Our justice system isn't the best
Can you look into Debanhi Escobar's case? Mexico is going through some horrifying femicides lately, great video as always RIP Loretta and her baby, 😢🙏🏻
Awwe poor Mexico... they take all our money and send drug addicts over here. Wahhhh
@@kalahrenee did Trump send u here?
I'm Canadian, but I've never heard of this case. How heartbreaking that Loretta and her unborn baby lost their lives, just as she had fought back from addiction and gotten her life back on a positive track. She had such a promising and fulfilling future ahead of her. 💔
I love the pronunciation of Sobeys as so-BAYS...makes it sound so bougie and upmarket.
It's so funny you'd say that because I left a comment saying that Tim Hortons sounds bougie the way Adrian pronounces it.
@@VioletJoy I wonder what he could with "No Frills" or "Freshco"?? 🤣🤣
@@Terri_MacKay I'm not familiar with either of those as I'm from the US. When I looked up Tim Hortons, I was chuckling because it sounded so nice. Lol. I'm guessing No Frills might be similar to Walmart and FreshCo might be similar to Costco here. Why is that so funny to me?! 😂 Whatever the case, now I need to hear him pronounce them. 😂
@@VioletJoy We have Walmart and Costco...No Frills and Freshco are lower priced grocery stores. They don't have "extras" like deli/meat counters, bakeries, or fresh ready to go meals, so that allows them to charge less for groceries.
A useless piece of trivia...I live in Hamilton, Ontario...home of the first Time Hortons. Timmies is so popular here, and we have so many, that I don't think anyone lives more than 10 minutes away from one (or more). There are intersections with Timmies on 2 of the corners, and they'll both do booming business. 🍩😊🍩
@@Terri_MacKay Hey, thanks for that trivia. I actually found it interesting. 🙂
This is one of the saddest episode. This beautiful young woman over came so much hardship and worked so hard to have a great future. Only to be murdered for nothing by two callus losers. Her family and community loved her! My deepest condolences. 😭
Being from Newfoundland, this hits close. We all followed this and being an island of caring people, we need to know that our family and friends are safe and stay close, (communication wise). Such a sweet soul she was and you described her so beautifully and respectful, thank-you for that... RIP Loretta, condolences to her family.
Never conduct anything potentially conflicting with another person or group without a family member or another friend with you...
Thank you for being so respectful to the victims and their families... In a way your stories place them in our hearts...
So Heartbreaking!
This made my Soul cry 🥀
Thank you Adrian for shining the light on Loretta!
You know the saying that “don’t judge a book by it’s cover” it doesn’t apply on this case. Those couple had red flags written all over them to prevent this situation happening, their looks is very devilish so there’s no way I I’ll rent out a place to them or have anything to do with them.
I have lived in Halifax all of my life and this whole situation absolutely broke the hearts of everyone who lives here. I have always loved your channel here on youtube and I want to thank you for doing such a good job on this story. They are monsters and I hope they rot in hell. May Loretta rest in peace. Thank you Adrian and keep up the good work. Take c are.
Just found Coffeehouse Crime a couple of weeks ago, and I gotta say this channel has become one of my true crime favorites to listen to while I sit in my office at work. Been catching up on all the episodes last week and this week. Much love for all you do while researching and discussing all of your cases.
Such a sad loss of a young life. Adrian can just say how much I enjoy you saying "Good evening, Good morning, Good afternoon" 😅 and to grab a cup of coffee. Your voice is so soothing. Well done mate 👍
Thank you so much for contributing to what Loretta was trying to do by bringing some awareness about MMIW. I'm like her, Indigenous but white passing, and it makes you feel like you're on the outside looking in sometimes, on your own culture. For me, if makes me feel like I have to be even more vocal about who I am- advocate louder, celebrate bigger. I can see why she cared so much. I hope that if nothing else, Loretta's case can lead to better outcomes in the cases of other Indigenous women.
It's only a problem if you only see yourself as a race, rather than a human being.
@@VioletJoy While it's true that we are all human, there is no default Culture or 'race'. Being indigenous is a huge part of cultural identity and there's no such thing as a person without a culture. I shouldn't have to pretend Im *not* indigenous for other people to see me as human first. Only people who see themselves as "Default" and "best" don't identify the nuances of that. Its ethnocentric and short sighted. So no. The mistreatment of Indigenous women will ALWAYS be a problem until it doesn't happen anymore. Because the alternative is erasure and ignorance to the pain of, go figure, other humans.
Enjoying my coffee and the crime story.😁 Good morning to everyone! May you all have a great day! 💝
Very sad, may she rest in peace and my condolences go out to her family. Aloha from Hawaii...
I’ve seen this case before on a television show called “Murder On CCTV” on The Crime & Investigation Network. I still watched every minute of this video though Adrian, you are a great story teller and you included details that even the television show didn’t.
Thank you for all the time and effort you put in to making these videos for us all to watch.
I have mentioned this before but could you please do some research into the murder spree of Maksim Gelman. I’d love to hear you tell that story. Thanks again,
Nick, east coast of England.
My favorite backdrop is the window, Snowing outside ❄️❄️❄️ thanks Adrian ☕ and coffeehouse crime! ❤️
Thank you for sharing this story, @Coffeehouse Crime. Rest in peace, Loretta Saunders. There are still so many that are unsolved. Say their names. They are not forgotten and they matter. Kaysera Stops Pretty Places. Marie Walkingstick. Misty Upton. Olivia Lone Bear. Savannah Greywind. Deanna McCoy. Countless others. Say their name.
Say this first:
"More than one-third (38%) of persons accused of homicide in 2017 were identified by police as Indigenous. This proportion has been increasing since 2014 when 31% of persons accused of homicide were Indigenous. The rate of Indigenous people accused of homicide in 2017 was 12 times higher than the rate of non-Indigenous accused (11.12 vs. 0.93 per 100,000 population)."
- Canadian department of Justice.
It always amazes me that LE does so little for these women. No aerial searches, cadaver dogs, focused interviews, etc. It is infuriating and heart breaking. May they rest in peace.
Thank you for telling this story with so much compassion.
I’m honestly surprised they got that much of a sentence because in Canada even murderers usually get light sentences.
Anyone who does something like this should never be released.
Thank you for always keeping these stories respectful towards both the victim and their family.
Your channel's one of my favorites that tackles true crime. Keep up the good work.
I find it weird that the boyfriend let her go alone to the apartment.
If you need to go and force money from someone always take someone with you. Preferably a massive bruiser bloke.
I found it weird her parents let her move to Montreal alone at 15! Perhaps she ran away from home, but the way it was narrated it seemed like it was planned out and the family allowed it.
I’d cut my losses and get the police to kick them out and throw their stuff out. If there was no paper trail, it’s not like they had renter’s rights.
@@esteemedmortal5917 Could have got her in trouble though as it sounds like she was illegally subletting it. Much better just to go and force them out yourself.
@@cjlister8508 "Much better to just go & force them out yourself"...tell that to her family 🙄
@@munkustrap2 Hence why I said to take people with you never go alone.
That's what really got to me about the Gabby Petito case. All media scrambled and kept on about how she was a RUclipsr. She may have wanted to be one but had literally only uploaded 1 video. Meanwhile in the same state of Wyoming over 700 Native women have gone missing in JUST Wyoming from 2011 to 2020. That's on average a little over 6.5 women A MONTH. No national news about that. That's over 1 disappearance every week. But you get a pretty blonde haired woman missing and they brought out EVERYONE. All law enforcement, 10s of thousands of searchers. I'm sorry Gabby disappeared but it is a stark contrast in "who" is important in the news. 710 women in just 9 years. And that's just for Wyoming. This is a crazy epidemic happening in the Midwest and Canada with Native Women. There's either a bunch of serial killers freely hunting or its being done by a large agency. For why? I have no clue. But the stats speak for themselves. Gabby was on every news outlet everywhere every hour for weeks. And we still haven't heard the name of 1 Native woman. It's scary to think that there is some sort of organized hunting of humans going on as we speak.
this is such a tragic story, she devoted her life to studying these cases and ended as a case she would be studying.
Sidenote, I hope Nero is getting better
To be fair, it's not similar at all, as she wasn't targeted due to being part Inuk. She just happened to sublet her apartment out to sketchy people who didn't want to pay the rent and were willing to kill for it. 💔
I love how you start by giving an in-depth, genuine, honest insight into who the person was before they became a victim to crime, presenting them as a complex human with hopes and dreams rather than relying on the usual cliches. It definitely helps you appreciate what a loss to the world their untimely, senseless death created.
I hadn't heard of this case before, despite being Canadian. I remember studying the Highway of Tears and how the systemic issues with crimes against indigenous peoples is so prevalent, when I was in university. Which is probably why I hadn't heard of it because of how indigenous issues are so often smothered in the news. It's so bad that I grew up seeing it all the time and everywhere I travelled in Canada. There are so many people here who believe it is an issue of the past. (Peers of mine went to an exhibition by Kent Monkman, and so many people were saying things like "I'm glad this kind of racism doesn't exist anymore.)
It's so heartbreaking that she was victimized by her tennants and the legal system, with her dedication to indigenous issues.
I still see it so often not just in public but even within family. With how my MIL talks about how her own mother had dated indigenous men and some hints of underlying disdain (that she may be the product of such a relationship). Also how the stigma and prejudice not only stems from traditions of WASP people, but extends to new immgrants by making it somehow acceptable for new citizens to involve themselves in the prejudices against indigenous people. (My brother and I had pretty racist immigrant parents, and it often was exhausting for us (my grandparents, my younger brother, and myself to try to correct their prejudices.)
Cases like this always make me nauseous...
Also the way the murderer held that hockey bag in the apartment lobby footage was sus... who the heck carries a hockey bag like that? You shoulder it and go. That part literally had me screaming at the screen.
Just to note, police did absolutely nothing wrong in this case. Loretta's mother's claims were false. I looked into it and the investigation was very thorough and swift. It seems very likely that her mother was looking for problems that weren't there.
Many people, no matter their race, are discriminated or mistreated for one reason or another. The idea of chronic indigenous mistreatment by police is simply false. If you look at the data, it's very clear. Actually, if you speak to police officers, you'll see that it's not accurate. While there are always racist people in every walk of life, ironically, white people are generally the least racist. It is really frowned upon by many cultures to date, marry, it even have friends outside their race. But it's very popular to point toward one group and make them the bad guy. I grieve for humanity.
@@VioletJoy
You are entitled to your opinion. My personal experiences have observed otherwise.
I am married to a retired officer, I have relatives who work within the criminal justice system, and unfortunately that really isn't the case. My experience tells me otherwise as well as schollarly data I studied in the Social Justice classes I had in university. Whether the claims from the mother herself are false or not, Indigenous issues with racism are a very real thing as well as the racism that impacts them from places of authority. There is much investigation of policing in Canada in various areas that are being investigated internally by SIU regularly which is often on various websites for Canadian social issues, invluding that of various police services' websites, government websites, Human Rights Comission of Canada. If you access JSTOR, which is often used as academic/peer-reviewed documents there are many articles that cite certain dates and evidence which potentially suggests that there is still racism within systems of authority in Canada.
Most officers arent racist, but some do slip through the cracks and some areas it is common place to make remarks or have actions based on their personal prejudices.