It would be very nice if Celestron would offer a "Trade Up" Program for all the existing StarSense Owners to move to this remarkable new Product . Not sure if I could justify the cost of trashing my StarSense and then purchasing this new item . /SRK
I own this item and am relatively new to the art. The item works surprisingly well paired with a RASA 11. Plan on getting a ASI2600MC-DUO at some point that has a guide camera built in. It'll be interesting to see how this holds up against that. So far, I can recommend the StarSense AutoGuider. Only issue I have had is with the Polar Alignment option. Luckily, this isn't a requirement get this item guiding well. Well done Celestron on a great, easy to use, product.
So far iv gotten the Dark Horse neb in bortle 4 skies pine Barrens NJ with this amazing auto guider. Also shot the Orion Neb 400 seconds at 250 ISO tack sharp. Pretty simple with a click of a button
Extremely interesting concept. If you think about it, pretty much all of today's auto guiding solutions require you to make difficult purchase decisions first then purchase the different components from different companies - then - connect them all together and get then calibrated and set up. That's a whole LOT of manual input. There is no reason, whatsoever, for companies like Celestron to incorporate all of that into a vastly simplified solution. Of course, they need to make the 'right' choices (and/or have purchase options available) for the different components of the autoguider. Kudos to Celestron for getting this ball rolling.
I took my ss auto align and switched it to my C8 and added the new ssag to my Z73 on an AVX, using the hand control to control the ssag with no cpwi software. I have to say its the single most positive upgrade Ive ever added and dropping all the phd2 BS is a close second lol well done Celestron, I give it a 10/10.
Coughed up £300 2 years ago for my Starsense and as much as I'd love the AutoGuider because it looks awesome, I could get a decent Refractor for a little bit more. It's a shame because the majority of people who would be willing to buy one at that price, probably already have a decent guider set up!
I have an AVX mount but a non-Celestron scope (Svbony 503ED 102MM). Should I expect any compatibility issues? Wouldn't think I would, but if this is truly a one-click solution, I'm wondering if it calculates and compensates for AutoGuider and main scope offset by asking you what type of main scope you're using?
Issues i am having see below: So received my SSAG, using with Nexstar Evo 9.25, w GPS and focus motor. Startup and intial alignment is significantly faster. Having an issue with the final plate solve and slew. It places the star pretty close to center everytime. BUT, the tracking doesn't "kick in" until 7 or so seconds after centered and by then it's drifted to the far end of the FOV. Is this a known issue? Am I missing anything? I am listening and after the final slew to center I hear nothing until about 7 seconds and I hear the motors engage
So glad I’m drinking the Celestron KoolAid because all these products are beginner friendly and work together across their product lines. Getting this for my Nexstar 925.
@@anata5127 The point of this is for celestron customers to not have to use guiding software among other things. Just plug it in and get accurate guiding and alignment. Not sure why it wouldnt compete with ZWO when their setup requires an ASI AIR to work.
@@anata5127 what do you call a Vaonis Vespera rip out it’s internals with the exception of the CMOS sensor and load it with inferior optics pair that with the god awful Chinese coders behind the ASIAIR , and then wrap it back up in a design that looks like a Lego erector set took a shit? Come on it’s an easy one! It’s the ZWO SEESTAR S50 short-bus riding “smart telescope” that they simply can’t get to work! It was supposed to come out in June, July, August, September now! Keep in mind, the beta testers have had those things for months! I have yet to see a single verified as 50 stacked image offering! But hey, it’s only $400 right? Lol! When I got my ASIAIR I was blown away with their attention to detail in there manual QR card hahahahaha. They make pretty decent stuff, I’m not knocking them on their Astro cameras and I’ve heard good things about their new mount head , but damn! There software is garbage! FUCKING LIGHTYEARS FROM BEING A VESPERA contender on anything but a spec sheet and a price tag! Personally, I would rather put my money in the hands of EU companies rather than let the Chinese get another monopoly going! Don’t knock people for liking Celestron products I actually own a 9.25 and I bought the autoguider! Because they’re easy to use and the software was clearly designed by Western coders , instead of the garbage Chinese coders hamstringing ZWO at every turn!!
What's wrong with investing in developing products and services that would encourage one to purchase more of your products and services? its not evil, its a logical and reasonable outcome of our current economic system.@@anata5127
super interested. how is the performance at long focal lengths. if it were max 400usd i would consider it for my hyperstar setup. at the suggested price, NOPE
Issues i am having see below: One is firt I just wanted to see how the guiding worked. I went to M5 (I think) and the SSAG was doing its "pulsing" light. On the Skyportal app it was showing the guiding information. While observing I was noticing M5 was slowly moving up and back to center, over the period of several mins. The second was I went to the "Cats Eye Nebula" and that when things got a lot worse. After about 30 seconds of guiding, it started quickly like at speed 9, moving up and then down a second or two later this is maybe about an 1/8 inch of movement of the OTA I don't know how many arcsecond or degrees but the Nebula was now out of the FOV, then it began "twitching" ,up down up down up down up down, quickly and at max speed. So I stopped. As a reminder the Evo mount is loud so this last issue made a lot of noise scared me and I cancelled the guiding for the night. After the last episode, it still wanted to quickly lurch forward when I moved the telescope almost like it had tension. But was moving normally afterwards. I don't know how worried I should be if something like that happens.
Celestron, just one question - Does the auto-guider also accomplish auto alignment initially (replacing the older StarSense Auto Align camera), and THEN kick into auto-guiding)? Thanks!
Will this be available for skywatcher mounts. I already have the starsense auto align plus the adapter, works great. But will I be able to swap out the cameras??
Alignment question - my alignments have been approx 20 degrees off when slewing. Use magnetic north or true north when pointing north and beginning alignment? Thanks.
Great question. They do show it on a 6", and 8" SCT so it must work! around 4:00 into the video he talks about its use on an AZ mount as well. It guides well enough to take images using one of thier AZ mount scopes. So CPC line,, Nexstar, Evolution. This is super cool. I hate OAG. This may be a solution!
@@GrundleStiltSkin This product makes zero sense to even create if it isn't for the SCT scopes. So many solutions exist already for faster scopes. I believe all of the automated scopes are SCT and the one RASA. I think this is why they are calling it 'revolutionary' that word only makes sense if it works on the SCTs.
I bought this along with GPS, dew heater, dew ring, Wi-Fi adapter, bino view and a new 8 inch scope. Haven’t been able to use as it won’t show anything on camera view. Sucks. Bought it for a trip coming up to three dark spots. Not sure why they would sell without support for it. High point doesn’t even know about them yet I was told by a representative.
Just ordered mine a couple days ago. Looking forward to trying it out with my RASA 11 V2. If it does not perform as I hope, then off it goes to eBay for $1500.😅
Camera $150, computer $$, OAG $350, adapters $150, Power $50. Its probably just about $100 more than it should be. Also consider the cable mess it eliminates.
Issues I am having see below: OK so to update its most likely a bug it still did it again, thankfully I was able to stop it sooner since i was expecting it to happen. two other bugs to also report is the SP app does not save the Center Calibration, and I noticed it keep trying to start me out with Starsense Auto Align with the "Wedge" option box checked. It did it twice tonight and was also strange. I am using it is normal ALT/AZ and deselected twice and it was enabled twice when returning. I am starting to get concerned that the SSAG is not ready for this release so I might hold off from using it and keep using my more reliable SSAA. On a more concerning note, I started to notice a "hot electronic" smell coming from both clutch heads, I only came across this because i was listening for the twitching bug while autoguiding. I checked both clutch heads and they both smell of the same odor. I also noticed the mount is warm to the touch near the circuit board closest to the AZ head. I am getting with tech support from Celestron hoping this SSAG is not 'breaking' my mount.
I think that's the goal. However, the Celestron mounts and tripods for the SE line are really bad for Long Exposure because they don't use worm gears. The tripods are also not heavy enough to keep vibrations. You really need to be using the CPC or Evolution lines and up. Most people de-fork their SE scopes and use better mounts.
I don’t understand why is so expensive, 800 dlls, with this amount you can easily get an ASIAIR plus guide scope and a camera! Who knows what is the marketing strategy!! In most web sites of astronomy markets of used equipment, people is getting rid of Celestron mounts and the company still look to sell expensive accessories. Hope the best for them👍🏻
Another step closer to automating the whole process with existing telescopes that can eventually fight back against the new trend of fully automated electronic scopes
I know a lot are mentioning the price tag, i think this is ultimately a convenience how much should it cost to make processes easier and simplified? I.e. less cords less devices to hook up and troubleshoot...
An OAG, External Camera and power is roughly $650-750 USD so I think its a fair price. IF you go with a 150$ camera and $50 power supply and the Celestron OAG $420.
@@hdr96k Still nothing on RUclips... Disappointed... Even the Celestron guy in this video is saying there are numerous beta testers testing this unit...
4It looks like these are pointed at SCT long focal length scopes. You need OAG $300+ and a camera $250+ and that doesn't include auto alignment and calibration +$450. This is actually a good deal and reduces complexity significantly. Its a good price point.
OAG and camera 550 like you said, people don't use auto alignment with astrophotography. they turn on the mount, quick align, slew to object, plate solve and sync. i do not use starsense when i take pictures. its redundant and extra weight.
i wouldnt really say its for beginers when it costs £750 . thats a big chunk of change in anyones book never mind a newbie , it does sound impressive though and as a disabled person could encourage more to take up the hobby though the price will put many off i suspect
What I don’t like about celestron is that you purchase a $4000. Telescope that is computer controlled and has all the bells and whistles…. But they sell you a $1. Chinese made power cable to run it. Good luck in the field !!
I have a StarSense alignment camera that I purchased along side my CGEMii mount, and it NEVER worked correctly. I spent night after night, and hours and hours trying to get it to work and it would never result in objects being centered in my eyepieces. I wish I would have sent it back to High Point Scientific for a refund. No way I would spend my money on this. I love my Edge HD 8 SCT. Celestron makes great scopes, but the StarSense accessory was pure garbage, and endless frustration!!!
Mine has worked flawlessly for years. They had a point between 2019 and 2021 where the firmware was completely jacked up and wouldn't work with the CPC or EVO scopes well at all. It would disconnect the GPS and you would have to use it in a manner (manually insert GPS using a phone or iPad app). You probably got stuck in that cycle. It was really bad. Good news is they fixed it late last year.
This is just a tiny guiding scope with a camera. What's so revolutionary about it is beyond me... I can see it working on a rasa, but on longer FL scopes, not so much.
The website has it designated for the SCT lines as well as RASA. For longer focal length scopes this would be a huge improvement. Not needing to buy a whole OAG setup with cameras and power to get the same tracking is what (in theory) makes it 'revolutionary'.
@@--Adrian-- that is yet to be determined. Historically there isn't a guide scope that works well with long focal lengths...at all and that is why OAG exists. Hence the invention of this particular product and why they are calling it 'revolutionary'. Celestron is telling us it CAN perform at / better than OAG. I can't help but feel like you aren't quite grasping this part of the concept. However, you aren't wrong that OAG is the best existing solution until now. There is literally no need for this product to have been created at all if Celestron wasn't confident it can usurp the existing solution of OAG. We need to get some testing in the public hands to validate even the existence of this new product. Celestron has a high bar to clear for sure.
@@hdr96k it was determined long time ago. In order to guide reliably and accuratly, your guider needs to be in the same optical path. Either OAG or ONAG. Also the guider image scale needs to be close to your main image scale. I fail to see how this will work on SCTs. What bugs me is it is presented with such big words like guiding, accuracy, performace .... when in fact they make average to low quality products. Accuracy and performance is reserved for AP, 10 micron, ASA, Planewave and so on.
Being new to the hobby of astronomy, I really went in at the deepend and purchased a bresser 10" dobsonian. I really thought there would be something on the market to find dso's, I'm literally really demolished at this point. Why can't they just release the starsence as a stand-alone for all telescopes is it greed? The only thing it's doing for me is turning me away from the hobby! I'm not selling my bresser to pay an additional £400 for the 10" celestron dob.
if you bought a non go-to mount then you need to learn the nightsky via books and star hop to points of interest along with possibly the odd app or two to help , starsense is available as a stand alone unit and has been for 5 or 6 years but unless you have a motorised mount it wont do you any good unless you buy a EQ mount to put your Dob onto , one thing to bear in mind though if your hoping to look at nebula and see it as you see in all the pictures thats not going to happen , most nebula are grey smudges , all the colour and detail is only seen via astrophotograghy and long exposures
Why is it greed? Celestron develop these products for their products and their customers. It's called, running a business. Get onto Bresser and take your frustration out on them.
Astronomy has become a hobby of the wealthy the last few years and I don't see it ever changing. It's really just a shame what people miss out on today due to financial considerations. Hobbies like astronomy, photography etc that get people outside away from all that is going on in their lives are so important but are just not in reach for the average person anymore.
You can buy a scope for $300 dollars that can see everything outside of what an observatory can see. Astrophotography has always historically been an extremely expensive undertaking. You can now capture amazing images using relatively cheap equipment. Compared to past cost it is significantly cheaper than it ever has been. Your statement is completely wrong on so many levels. Eyepieces are cheaper, scopes are cheaper, automation is cheaper, processing is free. Literally for under $1000 you can accomplish what cost 20k 15 years ago. The hobby has never been more affordable than it is now. Go to a local star party and you will be amazed at what is available for extremely affordable prices.
I was there! The people at Celestron were very informative.
It would be very nice if Celestron would offer a "Trade Up" Program for all the existing StarSense Owners to move to this remarkable new Product . Not sure if I could justify the cost of trashing my StarSense and then purchasing this new item . /SRK
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what makes it trash?? I just sold mine on eBay for $325, and I'd say that's more than Celestron would've given me.@@ryanyoder7573
Looks like a great product, look forward to giving it a try... :)
I own this item and am relatively new to the art. The item works surprisingly well paired with a RASA 11. Plan on getting a ASI2600MC-DUO at some point that has a guide camera built in. It'll be interesting to see how this holds up against that. So far, I can recommend the StarSense AutoGuider. Only issue I have had is with the Polar Alignment option. Luckily, this isn't a requirement get this item guiding well. Well done Celestron on a great, easy to use, product.
So far iv gotten the Dark Horse neb in bortle 4 skies pine Barrens NJ with this amazing auto guider. Also shot the Orion Neb 400 seconds at 250 ISO tack sharp. Pretty simple with a click of a button
Extremely interesting concept. If you think about it, pretty much all of today's auto guiding solutions require you to make difficult purchase decisions first then purchase the different components from different companies - then - connect them all together and get then calibrated and set up. That's a whole LOT of manual input. There is no reason, whatsoever, for companies like Celestron to incorporate all of that into a vastly simplified solution. Of course, they need to make the 'right' choices (and/or have purchase options available) for the different components of the autoguider.
Kudos to Celestron for getting this ball rolling.
Will this work with an 8SE Alt-Az mount with a wedge to eliminate field rotation?
I took my ss auto align and switched it to my C8 and added the new ssag to my Z73 on an AVX, using the hand control to control the ssag with no cpwi software.
I have to say its the single most positive upgrade Ive ever added and dropping all the phd2 BS is a close second lol well done Celestron, I give it a 10/10.
Coughed up £300 2 years ago for my Starsense and as much as I'd love the AutoGuider because it looks awesome, I could get a decent Refractor for a little bit more. It's a shame because the majority of people who would be willing to buy one at that price, probably already have a decent guider set up!
Is this compatible with the CGE Pro mount?
I have an AVX mount but a non-Celestron scope (Svbony 503ED 102MM). Should I expect any compatibility issues? Wouldn't think I would, but if this is truly a one-click solution, I'm wondering if it calculates and compensates for AutoGuider and main scope offset by asking you what type of main scope you're using?
Issues i am having see below:
So received my SSAG, using with Nexstar Evo 9.25, w GPS and focus motor. Startup and intial alignment is significantly faster. Having an issue with the final plate solve and slew. It places the star pretty close to center everytime. BUT, the tracking doesn't "kick in" until 7 or so seconds after centered and by then it's drifted to the far end of the FOV. Is this a known issue? Am I missing anything? I am listening and after the final slew to center I hear nothing until about 7 seconds and I hear the motors engage
Does it come with it's own hand controller, or do we use the original controller?
So glad I’m drinking the Celestron KoolAid because all these products are beginner friendly and work together across their product lines. Getting this for my Nexstar 925.
You are right - Work With THEIR products. This ain’t going to compete with ZWO.
@@anata5127 The point of this is for celestron customers to not have to use guiding software among other things. Just plug it in and get accurate guiding and alignment. Not sure why it wouldnt compete with ZWO when their setup requires an ASI AIR to work.
@@anata5127 what do you call a Vaonis Vespera rip out it’s internals with the exception of the CMOS sensor and load it with inferior optics pair that with the god awful Chinese coders behind the ASIAIR , and then wrap it back up in a design that looks like a Lego erector set took a shit?
Come on it’s an easy one!
It’s the ZWO SEESTAR S50 short-bus riding “smart telescope” that they simply can’t get to work! It was supposed to come out in June, July, August, September now! Keep in mind, the beta testers have had those things for months! I have yet to see a single verified as 50 stacked image offering!
But hey, it’s only $400 right? Lol!
When I got my ASIAIR I was blown away with their attention to detail in there manual QR card hahahahaha.
They make pretty decent stuff, I’m not knocking them on their Astro cameras and I’ve heard good things about their new mount head , but damn! There software is garbage!
FUCKING LIGHTYEARS FROM BEING A VESPERA contender on anything but a spec sheet and a price tag! Personally, I would rather put my money in the hands of EU companies rather than let the Chinese get another monopoly going!
Don’t knock people for liking Celestron products I actually own a 9.25 and I bought the autoguider! Because they’re easy to use and the software was clearly designed by Western coders , instead of the garbage Chinese coders hamstringing ZWO at every turn!!
What's wrong with investing in developing products and services that would encourage one to purchase more of your products and services? its not evil, its a logical and reasonable outcome of our current economic system.@@anata5127
super interested. how is the performance at long focal lengths. if it were max 400usd i would consider it for my hyperstar setup. at the suggested price, NOPE
Its pretty much designed for long focal lengths. There are so many solutions for shorter length scopes it would make no sense otherwise.
Ok iv tried this product ---- is there a adjustment to fine tune the guiding to sharpen the steadiness once it's on a target ?
this might be a limitation of your specific mount..maybe.
Will it be sold in Brazil?
An indication on a release date or window?
Issues i am having see below:
One is firt I just wanted to see how the guiding worked. I went to M5 (I think) and the SSAG was doing its "pulsing" light. On the Skyportal app it was showing the guiding information. While observing I was noticing M5 was slowly moving up and back to center, over the period of several mins.
The second was I went to the "Cats Eye Nebula" and that when things got a lot worse. After about 30 seconds of guiding, it started quickly like at speed 9, moving up and then down a second or two later this is maybe about an 1/8 inch of movement of the OTA I don't know how many arcsecond or degrees but the Nebula was now out of the FOV, then it began "twitching" ,up down up down up down up down, quickly and at max speed. So I stopped. As a reminder the Evo mount is loud so this last issue made a lot of noise scared me and I cancelled the guiding for the night.
After the last episode, it still wanted to quickly lurch forward when I moved the telescope almost like it had tension. But was moving normally afterwards. I don't know how worried I should be if something like that happens.
Can you use the SSAG to track the sun with appropriate solar filters?
I want them to design something that sets my gear up and kicks me up the arse to go out and observe 😂
Celestron, just one question -
Does the auto-guider also accomplish auto alignment initially (replacing the older StarSense Auto Align camera), and THEN kick into auto-guiding)?
Thanks!
Yes it does. The autoaligner only aligns the telescope, this aligns the telescope and then starts guiding once you select a goto target.
@@Fatal_Inertia awesome, thank you!
Will this be available for skywatcher mounts. I already have the starsense auto align plus the adapter, works great. But will I be able to swap out the cameras??
Alignment question - my alignments have been approx 20 degrees off when slewing.
Use magnetic north or true north when pointing north and beginning alignment? Thanks.
true north always, align with polaris
How do you "sync" this to what is in the actual field of view? Similar to the original Star Sense where you need to align it?
Probably, It does plates and calculations. I'd be willing to bet its identical, but then has a fine tuning step.
Very interesting product. How well does it work for long focal lengths where OAG is commonly used?
Great question. They do show it on a 6", and 8" SCT so it must work! around 4:00 into the video he talks about its use on an AZ mount as well. It guides well enough to take images using one of thier AZ mount scopes. So CPC line,, Nexstar, Evolution. This is super cool. I hate OAG. This may be a solution!
@@hdr96k i see it on an F/2 scope.... i don't see it on any of their long focal SCT
@@GrundleStiltSkin This product makes zero sense to even create if it isn't for the SCT scopes. So many solutions exist already for faster scopes. I believe all of the automated scopes are SCT and the one RASA. I think this is why they are calling it 'revolutionary' that word only makes sense if it works on the SCTs.
@@hdr96k It won't really work well on the SCT's because their mounts to boot arent that great at autoguiding accurately compared to their competitors.
Simple... It won't work on an SCT. You need a good OAG, mirror lock and external focuser.
I bought this along with GPS, dew heater, dew ring, Wi-Fi adapter, bino view and a new 8 inch scope. Haven’t been able to use as it won’t show anything on camera view. Sucks. Bought it for a trip coming up to three dark spots. Not sure why they would sell without support for it. High point doesn’t even know about them yet I was told by a representative.
Just ordered mine a couple days ago. Looking forward to trying it out with my RASA 11 V2. If it does not perform as I hope, then off it goes to eBay for $1500.😅
report????
Holy Schnikes the thing costs $800!
Camera $150, computer $$, OAG $350, adapters $150, Power $50. Its probably just about $100 more than it should be. Also consider the cable mess it eliminates.
Issues I am having see below:
OK so to update its most likely a bug it still did it again, thankfully I was able to stop it sooner since i was expecting it to happen.
two other bugs to also report is the SP app does not save the Center Calibration, and I noticed it keep trying to start me out with Starsense Auto Align with the "Wedge" option box checked. It did it twice tonight and was also strange. I am using it is normal ALT/AZ and deselected twice and it was enabled twice when returning.
I am starting to get concerned that the SSAG is not ready for this release so I might hold off from using it and keep using my more reliable SSAA.
On a more concerning note, I started to notice a "hot electronic" smell coming from both clutch heads, I only came across this because i was listening for the twitching bug while autoguiding. I checked both clutch heads and they both smell of the same odor. I also noticed the mount is warm to the touch near the circuit board closest to the AZ head. I am getting with tech support from Celestron hoping this SSAG is not 'breaking' my mount.
I have a Celestron nexstar 5se with built-in wedge can i use it to get longer exposure than 25sec?
I think that's the goal. However, the Celestron mounts and tripods for the SE line are really bad for Long Exposure because they don't use worm gears. The tripods are also not heavy enough to keep vibrations. You really need to be using the CPC or Evolution lines and up. Most people de-fork their SE scopes and use better mounts.
That's why I was thinking of investing in the zwo am5
Anybody know how this is gonna work on evolution 9,25 with wedge?
I don’t understand why is so expensive, 800 dlls, with this amount you can easily get an ASIAIR plus guide scope and a camera! Who knows what is the marketing strategy!! In most web sites of astronomy markets of used equipment, people is getting rid of Celestron mounts and the company still look to sell expensive accessories. Hope the best for them👍🏻
Another step closer to automating the whole process with existing telescopes that can eventually fight back against the new trend of fully automated electronic scopes
This already exist. 100-300K+. Are you ready to buy robotic scope-rig from ASA.
I know a lot are mentioning the price tag, i think this is ultimately a convenience how much should it cost to make processes easier and simplified? I.e. less cords less devices to hook up and troubleshoot...
An OAG, External Camera and power is roughly $650-750 USD so I think its a fair price. IF you go with a 150$ camera and $50 power supply and the Celestron OAG $420.
Great idea but sounds a bit like the - StarAid Revolution Standalone Autoguider - which is/was also very pricey
I take offense to the assertion that I did not understand the process or was intimidated by telescope alignment, I am lazy.
Don't worry guys, it's only 4x more expensive at a whopping $800
@celestron please ask tech support to assist me with my tickets and determing if SSAG has broken my mount. Thanks.
will this work with Celestron - StarSense AutoAlign
I think it will totally replace the starsense. It does the same thing but also autoguides.
There is not a single review on youtube about this unit... Wonder why...!!!?
It hasn't been released to the public yet.
@@hdr96k But these things are typically sent to influencers so reviews come same time as the announcement…!
@@aakoksal It may even be to early for some of the big youtube people like astro backyard. etc.
@@hdr96k It feels more like Celestron didn’t plan this properly… Oh well, we’ll wait and see I guess…
@@hdr96k Still nothing on RUclips... Disappointed... Even the Celestron guy in this video is saying there are numerous beta testers testing this unit...
Build a setup for a Dobsonian.
How does this comunicate with the mount?
You plug it in using an RJ45 style cable. You also get a StarSense specific hand controller.
So I guess it works just with Celestron mounts??
@@VaultBoy69 Yes.
$800 😮
4It looks like these are pointed at SCT long focal length scopes. You need OAG $300+ and a camera $250+ and that doesn't include auto alignment and calibration +$450. This is actually a good deal and reduces complexity significantly. Its a good price point.
OAG and camera 550 like you said, people don't use auto alignment with astrophotography. they turn on the mount, quick align, slew to object, plate solve and sync. i do not use starsense when i take pictures. its redundant and extra weight.
i wouldnt really say its for beginers when it costs £750 . thats a big chunk of change in anyones book never mind a newbie , it does sound impressive though and as a disabled person could encourage more to take up the hobby though the price will put many off i suspect
Fun, and easy, and extremely expensive…
OAG $399. Camera for the OAG, $200-350. StarSense $500. To get all that functionality, no computer required, less cables. Its actually priced fair.
@@hdr96k yes but an OAG would be much better than a tiny guide scope
Everyone is buying AM5 and ASAir. You will not sell many of this gizmo, if you continue persisting with these old fashioned one ton-weight mounts.
What I don’t like about celestron is that you purchase a $4000. Telescope that is computer controlled and has all the bells and whistles…. But they sell you a $1. Chinese made power cable to run it. Good luck in the field !!
$800 ?!???!???! It's just a camera with a wide angle lense, JFC !!
I have a StarSense alignment camera that I purchased along side my CGEMii mount, and it NEVER worked correctly. I spent night after night, and hours and hours trying to get it to work and it would never result in objects being centered in my eyepieces. I wish I would have sent it back to High Point Scientific for a refund. No way I would spend my money on this. I love my Edge HD 8
SCT. Celestron makes great scopes, but the StarSense accessory was pure garbage, and endless frustration!!!
Mine has worked flawlessly for years. They had a point between 2019 and 2021 where the firmware was completely jacked up and wouldn't work with the CPC or EVO scopes well at all. It would disconnect the GPS and you would have to use it in a manner (manually insert GPS using a phone or iPad app). You probably got stuck in that cycle. It was really bad. Good news is they fixed it late last year.
This is just a tiny guiding scope with a camera. What's so revolutionary about it is beyond me... I can see it working on a rasa, but on longer FL scopes, not so much.
The website has it designated for the SCT lines as well as RASA. For longer focal length scopes this would be a huge improvement. Not needing to buy a whole OAG setup with cameras and power to get the same tracking is what (in theory) makes it 'revolutionary'.
@@hdr96k For longer FL an OAG is simply better than any guide scope
@@--Adrian-- that is yet to be determined. Historically there isn't a guide scope that works well with long focal lengths...at all and that is why OAG exists. Hence the invention of this particular product and why they are calling it 'revolutionary'. Celestron is telling us it CAN perform at / better than OAG. I can't help but feel like you aren't quite grasping this part of the concept. However, you aren't wrong that OAG is the best existing solution until now. There is literally no need for this product to have been created at all if Celestron wasn't confident it can usurp the existing solution of OAG. We need to get some testing in the public hands to validate even the existence of this new product. Celestron has a high bar to clear for sure.
@@hdr96k it was determined long time ago. In order to guide reliably and accuratly, your guider needs to be in the same optical path. Either OAG or ONAG. Also the guider image scale needs to be close to your main image scale. I fail to see how this will work on SCTs. What bugs me is it is presented with such big words like guiding, accuracy, performace .... when in fact they make average to low quality products. Accuracy and performance is reserved for AP, 10 micron, ASA, Planewave and so on.
Being new to the hobby of astronomy, I really went in at the deepend and purchased a bresser 10" dobsonian. I really thought there would be something on the market to find dso's, I'm literally really demolished at this point. Why can't they just release the starsence as a stand-alone for all telescopes is it greed? The only thing it's doing for me is turning me away from the hobby! I'm not selling my bresser to pay an additional £400 for the 10" celestron dob.
if you bought a non go-to mount then you need to learn the nightsky via books and star hop to points of interest along with possibly the odd app or two to help , starsense is available as a stand alone unit and has been for 5 or 6 years but unless you have a motorised mount it wont do you any good unless you buy a EQ mount to put your Dob onto , one thing to bear in mind though if your hoping to look at nebula and see it as you see in all the pictures thats not going to happen , most nebula are grey smudges , all the colour and detail is only seen via astrophotograghy and long exposures
Why is it greed? Celestron develop these products for their products and their customers. It's called, running a business. Get onto Bresser and take your frustration out on them.
@cadelepski5161 I purchased a cheap celestron starsence refractor and put it the bracket on my bresser Dob and made my own push too it works great
@@Billy-je6mq Sounds good. Glad you found a solution. Clear skies. 👍
Astronomy has become a hobby of the wealthy the last few years and I don't see it ever changing. It's really just a shame what people miss out on today due to financial considerations. Hobbies like astronomy, photography etc that get people outside away from all that is going on in their lives are so important but are just not in reach for the average person anymore.
You can buy a scope for $300 dollars that can see everything outside of what an observatory can see. Astrophotography has always historically been an extremely expensive undertaking. You can now capture amazing images using relatively cheap equipment. Compared to past cost it is significantly cheaper than it ever has been. Your statement is completely wrong on so many levels. Eyepieces are cheaper, scopes are cheaper, automation is cheaper, processing is free. Literally for under $1000 you can accomplish what cost 20k 15 years ago. The hobby has never been more affordable than it is now. Go to a local star party and you will be amazed at what is available for extremely affordable prices.
@@hdr96k " Eyepieces are cheaper, scopes are cheaper" uhm everything is more expensive then years past including mounts, cameras..
astrophotography yes, normal terrestrial photography is very approachable
@@GrundleStiltSkin This is completely untrue. Unless you started the hobby less than 3 years ago.
WRONG!!! @@GrundleStiltSkin
Compatibility is dying