not a fan of that sponsoring. ive followed the elestrals tcg for some time before it came out to after its release and unfortunatly the people behind it / atleast the guy seen in the sponsor part have messed up quite a lot and most importantly been dicks to their supporters hence why so many ppl left the game. theres quite a lot of evidence out there proving it and its not difficult to find. hope you didnt hurt yourself with this one cimo.
Something I love about CGB is that he’s clearly trying to learn the game. LSV has good card analysis because he’s been a top player forever, but he’s still basically shooting from the hip all the time. Rarran, somehow having actually played YGO seems to instantly forget everything between videos. On the other hand, CGB is taking notes, asking pertinent questions about what sorts of things are good or bad in the game, and brings up lessons from previous videos. The end goal imo isn’t to laugh at a newbie for not knowing cards, but to see someone’s understanding of the game grow, and CGB feels like the only one to take the assignment seriously. Please keep having him on!
I'm so glad you said that and took the time to write it out. I felt that way completely watching the last Rarran video. I literally said to myself "It's like he's not even trying how to picture how the card can be played".
LSV purposefully does not consume Yugioh content specifically so he can shoot from the hip for these videos. He chooses not to learn Yugioh for a good reason.
You know what, I think I figured it out. I think the reason I keep thinking DAD was banned is because it made so many people quit the game (myself included), so I just assumed they banned it out of principle. Evidently that wasn't the case, my bad! 🤣🤣🤣
Wait so did this mean CGB went perfect? Also guessing the only card on the list that wasn't banned when even Cimo thought it was is pretty exceptional, really enjoyed the video but can't remember the score besides that CGB did very well
@@Ceece20 all in good time- Cimo [insert extra o's here] seems to be trying to present the game in something akin to a chronological order (with occasional exceptions like Soul Charge)
I like his reaction to crush card virus. "Yes, this is my style of play where I choke out the other person's options and restrict their play. But, they still get to play the game and fight back. They still get to use their deck as a toolkit to try to find a way out of the puzzle I've crafted for them." I like the fact that he's saying that he wants to beat the opponent because he crafted a better toolkit and used it better than them. Not because they weren't even allowed access to their toolkit. If they don't have the right tools to solve the problem the control player has presented them with, fine. But, it should be because they didn't have the right tools or because they used their tools wrong, not because they never even got to draw those tools to use.
@andrewdarby8843 even though imperial order literally makes it so the opponent isn't allowed to access their toolkit too and he is all for that card 😂 lol.
@@clayt6n Imperial order makes part of their toolkit useless, but they still 'have' it. If you don't put the right tools in your toolkit to handle Imperial order, it's utterly miserable to play against, but hey, you built your toolkit and you could have given yourself something to handle Imperial Order. There's a big difference between 'you don't get access to your tools' and 'I'm going to make your tools useless'.
It's the difference between a Control deck and a stun deck. Stun is literally defined by the playstyle of not letting your opponent play the game at all of possible.
No, Alex. Konami DIDN'T ban Imperial Order quickly after bringing it back. It stayed legal for so many years that people started speculating that the reason they didn't ban it back was because that would be an admission of incompetence from Konami after thinking they "fixed it" with the errata 😂
@@cortert103 I feel like the not doing extra research + everyone's covid era brain fog really hurts some of these. Reminds me of how MBT basically surprises himself with the fact Soul Charge wasn't banned until January 2019 since it was limited all the way back in October 2014.
"Soul Charge has been banned for uuh... almost a decade now I wanna say" Alex forgot that for some inexplicable reason, Konami waited until 2019 to ban this busted card
Sinister serpent is one for one the magic card "Squee, goblin nabob". It's a key component of a vintage deck called squeevine or hollowvine, where it is indeed used as recurring discard fodder.
@@xXSamir44XxIf this all leads up to CGB trying Yugioh, I could see Cimo teaching him with Edison like he did Rarran. I don’t know much about Edison, but I do know Gravekeeper Control could be a good pick for CGB
@@NeostormXLMAX I could see it, but is Runick Edison-legal? I don’t really know when a lot of archetypes post-GOAT and pre-current came out, I have a massive gap in my play years. And if Cimo is gonna teach anyone YGO, it’s gonna be in the one format he knows and likes best
# 0001 CGB's analysis of Crush Card is my favorite part of the video. He was essentially preaching to the choir on this one. I could not have agreed more of everything he said about that damn card and its oppressive force during the time of its inception.
It's actually mindboggling they took so long to ban it when there's monster reborn that has been limited for a long ass time, but soul charge is just monster reborn on all the steroids in modern yugioh with link summoning and such.
Start him off with classic yugioh, and hold off on having him play anything beyond the GX era until after the videos that introduce him to other extra deck types. Actually, before getting him to play, introduce him to rituals.
There are enough powerful costs that it can do some damage, and it generally leaves a huge design hole for any design involving reptiles, level 1's, waters, etc.
Eh, +3 isn't really worth much if it's bad cards. Like spellbook of judgement can draw you 7 cards and it's not played since you need to play a bad deck. Ojamas also can get you a lot of cards and no one plays it
Unpopular opinion here, Imperial Orders errata was a good errata. Like sure, it was still broken, and in the end it still needed to be banned. But it kept the spirit of the card without ruining the legacy of the card. I would rather have 100 Imperil order "Not harsh enough" Errata's than a single CED errata again.
I think if they errata'd it to say "Banish this card, for the rest of this turn spells and effects are negated." So it would still "technically" be a continuous trap but also would banish for effect, so you can still stop it by chaining a pop like before. It's not searchable by thrust or copyable by rollback. (Need exactly foolish burial goods and link 4 knightmare gryphon or to hard draw it.) At that point, it's essentially Kali yuga but spells only and counterable, making it different from anti-spell fragrance.
@@janisir4529 the way Konami does them, yeah. Usually over-nerf a card when they could just make a new one with a similar name instead, then unban the card when it is powercrept enough (e.g., how they murdered brain control but ended up unbanning change of heart).
I think it's time to reverse some erratas: Goyo Guardian was legal at 3 in the TCG for so long with no errata, and no one cared, and they gave him errata to bring him back to the OCG, affecting the TCG in the process. Another one is Sinister Serpent. Seriously, would anyone play it just to wait two turns?
But your logic adds up to nothing: the Card's still banned - why is it even in a discussion? Just like CED - no one cares about that card anymore because it was always going to be Perma-banned in it's Original 'full' state, and the shot-nerfed state is not Good enough to see top Tier play. If a Card is banned - that's the worst thing that can happen to it: Period. But if unbanned again, it shows it is a Healthy design. We should have OP cards, I like them; but 0 point if they get banned.
He's got it spot on. If you don't get to play, I didn't beat you. And that's the goal here. Anybody can win a game of solitaire. I'm out here to win a game against you.
I LOVE CGBs reaction to Crush Card Virus 44:25. I AM A CONTROL PLAYER, BUT I DON'T TAKE THEIR DRAW STEP! 46:45 EWW! 47:02 "dawning horror at the idea of Crush Card Virus being used by tournament level players"
"I'm holding my notebook." Throws at the wall "I threw it at the wall!" Haha! Dude you gave me one of the best laughs I have had in quite some time! Thank you! Your response was perfect! Cimoooooooo has anyone ever told you that you have an amazing infectious laugh? Infectious in a good way. I love your laugh!
48:56 I played in this format in a local hobby store and someone had a full DAD Crush card Deck, They used it against my not very good deck. I was like, I read the card, and it basically said you lose. They also acted like a jerk and bragged that they won with it as well.
@@KingOfDarknessAndEvil It's actually kinda worse if you think of the time period. The time being 2009, to get a net deck list, then purchase the cards, not everyone had access to online shopping, I remember I had to get some older college friends to buy me cards off e-bay....
I've not even played that much yugioh, just dabbled in it when I was a kid, and I can't stop watching these videos, it's just so entertaining. You two are a great combo together
I like the idea that Cimo had the spirit of MARKETING take over his body and spit out the entire ELESTRALS sponsorship while CGB just had to sit there in call
CGB and Rarran really should just do a progression series with Cimo as the judge... itd be hilarious. No Banlist or maybe they ban a card or two every three games
CGB's speech about Crush Card Virus revealing everything makes me know he understands and believes in the heart of the cards without having ever watched the show or playing the game.
"Imperial Order errata came back for one format and then they banned it immediately the next format." What is Cimo talking about? The Imperial Order errata was legal for years lol
@@MegaMetal96 People actually didn't complain that much about it for a while. It was unbanned in 2017 but most people were okay with it existing until around 2021 I guess. That's when the massive uproar really started and then they banned it in 2022.
CGB's love for control cards is always so funny. He always looks at these absolutely nutso flood gates like it's his favorite card. If man ever downloads master duel he's going to be another labyrinth player on ladder lol
Wait Sinister serpent effect is changed to this: "During your Standby Phase, if this card is in your GY: You can return it to your hand, also banish 1 "Sinister Serpent" from your GY during your opponent's next End Phase. You can only use this effect of "Sinister Serpent" once per turn."
Yup, pretty much meaning that multiple serpents are worthless, and that if you immediately send it back to its doom, it stays dead Give your serpents time to heal folks!
In magic, "exile a black creature card in your graveyard: destroy target permanent" would be a truly messed up ability. Even if it was at sorcery speed, it's still insane.
I love the fact that CGB immediately got the fact that Sixth Sense ACTUALLY reads, "Pick two numbers between 5 and 6..." Also DAD wasn't banned. I played during the format and continued playing up until 2016-2018ish? We never got rid of it, we only adapted. DAD did not end me. It was Master Rule 4 that killed me.
It kinda annoys me that he doesn’t do any research before these videos. It’s so easy to look up if they were banned before he picks the cards for these videos
Yea CGB is absolutely right on the Crush Card Virus. That has to be a top contender for the worst thing a card game designer has ever done to their community. It is so abhorrently toxic, you can destroy your whole game and company with stuff like this.
I mean, konami still does this. They dont make them prize cards but they spike rarities immensely on very meta relevant card when coming to the TCG so theyre market valued at 50-100 usd minimum, and then reprint it right before it gets banned.
I love CGB's morals when it comes to CCV. There is something about the top decks that swing the game. Control is fun, but completely denying your Opponent isn't.
How to make Sixth Sense balanced if reprinted. Declare 2 numbers between 1 and 6. Roll a dice. If you called them right, draw 2 cards. if you called them wrong, banish 6 cards from the top of your deck face down.
That sounds very unplayable and also completely different to the point of the card in the first place. The real way to do it is to add the runick drawback of skipping your next battle phase for activating the card alongside something about not being able to activate cards or effects with the same original name as the ones milled or drawn by the effect of sixth sense until the end of _your_ next turn after activation (cards drawn by this effect must be revealed). At this point, even a pontential (but unlikely) draw 5 is being restricted strongly enough to make it considerably stunted or balanced.
That looks better as another Pot card, and we just so happen to be missing a combo Pot card in the line up! I think it'd be better to make it banish 2 cards face up, to make it a bit better, since you are fighting uphill due to the dice roll, calling only 2 out of 6 numbers. Straight up banishing face-down might be a bit too punishing, but at the same time, banishing 6 cards alone could also be used to your advantage in some decks like Gren Maju. Banishing 2 cards, face-up (so still in play) seems like a decent balance.
You should try to make some of these magic players try a few draft matches through these earlier eras of yu-gi-oh youre introducing them to, could be really fun seeing them put what they learned to the test!
This series has been my introduction to both of you guys and I'm having a ton of fun getting these Yugi history lessons and listening to you two go back and forth about just how unhinged this beautifully insane game is. Thank you for the entertainment!
As of current date, (according to Yugipedia) Last Will has 3,807 targets There are 13,443 cards in the OCG That is over a fourth of the cards in existence that this one card can get for basically free
As a kid I never understood he point of Sinister Serpent. Thinking now I was dumb for not realizing that thing was infinite discard fodder for all kinds of other cards.
That's a great idea for the next part of this series. Give them broken, pre-determined, iconic decks and have thrm duel against your underpowered, janky deck to see if they could put together a win and possibly even figure out the primary win condition and common combos.
That's not much of a series. Or a game. I don't understand why Yugioh players love pretending that their game is super complex or that their decks are difficult to understand. Especially when you're talking about people who are already good at highly complex card games in their own right.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 if it was rogue vs meta and blind going into the deck, it could work. but if you read the cards you pretty much can play fine. as a ygo player i think i would absolutely suck at magic, but i dont think a magic player would suck at ygo given they understand like the basic rules or are playing in a simulator.
@@uuh4yj43 The gap between a rogue deck and a meta deck is small enough that the experience gap with the game will matter. But that experience gap will not be large enough to swing the outcomes outside of incredibly lame and unsatisfying scenarios. Losing to stupid judge rulings from 15 years ago that should've been overturned just isn't fun. Nor are the "gotcha" mechanics that are you have no way of knowing even exist until they already cost you the entire match. I play both Yugioh and MtG. They do test different skillsets, though the overlaps does lead to Yugioh being easy for an MtG player to grasp, while the Yugioh player will struggle with land math and the exponentially more complex boardstates that MtG puts out. Resource management is another thing Yugioh doesn't prepare its players for that will absolutely cost you games of MtG. Doing nothing is almost never the best play in Yugioh, but sometimes it is for MtG.
Graceful was banned for the first 2 banned lists, came back during goat format, and then was banned along with pot of greed- for the first time - after goat
It was also legal along with confiscation without pot of greed for atleast one banlist. I remember that since that was how it was when i started playing yu-gi-oh.
Big fan of your videos with cgb and rarran. You 3 are great ambassadors for your games and as someone who plays/played all 3 games,I love your perspectives and your train of thoughts when analyzing the cards 😊 And the banter just keeps on getting better 😂
I LOVE this series and CGB is the perfect guest for this, but I think Cimo needs to take notes too on the prep to make sure those innacuracies don't happen. And I don't even blame him too much for DAD, I could swear it had been banned too at some point.
After that crush card rant imagine when he plays Yu-Gi-Oh Master duel 😂. He us still under the illusion this game is somewhat fair. Id love to see him watch plant combo off for 12 minutes just to get evenly matched.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 they're both unfair. It's just what he said during the rant. He was talking about how as a control player he wants to see his opponent do their thing and build their board and then crush it with superior meta knowledge and deck building. He was saying crush card isn't even fun because your opponent just can't even play their deck. Forget control in Yu-Gi-Oh the only way to play the game competitively is to build a board of 25 negates and laugh as your opponent doesn't get to play their deck. And the only way to counter that is with almost as broken cards like dark ruler nib droplet or pray you draw 5 hand traps and a 1 card full combo. What he was ranting about just reminded me of Yu-Gi-Oh in general lol
@@dontmisunderstand6041 they're both unfair. It's just what he said during the rant. He was talking about how as a control player he wants to see his opponent do their thing and build their board and then crush it with superior meta knowledge and deck building. He was saying crush card isn't even fun because your opponent just can't even play their deck. Forget control in Yu-Gi-Oh the only way to play the game competitively is to build a board of 25 negates and laugh as your opponent doesn't get to play their deck. And the only way to counter that is with almost as broken cards like dark ruler nib droplet or pray you draw 5 hand traps and a 1 card full combo. What he was ranting about just reminded me of Yu-Gi-Oh in general lol
@@dontmisunderstand6041 they're both unfair. It's just what he said during the rant. He was talking about how as a control player he wants to see his opponent do their thing and build their board and then crush it with superior meta knowledge and deck building. He was saying crush card isn't even fun because your opponent just can't even play their deck. Forget control in Yu-Gi-Oh the only way to play the game competitively is to build a board of 25 negates and laugh as your opponent doesn't get to play their deck. And the only way to counter that is with almost as broken cards like dark ruler nib droplet or pray you draw 5 hand traps and a 1 card full combo. What he was ranting about just reminded me of Yu-Gi-Oh in general lol
@@animalchin5082 I actually am not though xD this is my genuine feedback. I'd check out more sponsors if they were like this opposed to raid, scam legends or other wish level games
MTG has Squee Goblin Nabob and the Immortal. The fisrt return to your hand during the Upkeep if its in your GY and the second you can alway play from the GY or Exile. I think that is very close to Sinister serpent, specially Goblin Nabob
can it happen indefinite amount of times, 1 of the things that wasnt mentioned unless I didnt catch it is that sinister serpent can return an unlimited amount of times even within the same standby phase if it somehow finds itself there again no matter how many times it returned to the hand, this effectively gave it infinite loop potential if any players managed to find any sort of combo or synergy that can take advantage of this aspect so konami just nuked this potential in the bud on errata
“This was the 1st time we special’d by exiling from the grave.” Soul of Purity & all the special cycle from Labyrinth of Nightmare: “Are we jokes to you?”
Soul Charge is also probably one of the best topdecks you can hope to have. It's completely crushing when you play against someone, you trade all your ressources for theirs, simplified gamestate, and they just find a way to topdeck soul charge.
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Straight villain status with that laugh.. lmao 😂
not a fan of that sponsoring. ive followed the elestrals tcg for some time before it came out to after its release and unfortunatly the people behind it / atleast the guy seen in the sponsor part have messed up quite a lot and most importantly been dicks to their supporters hence why so many ppl left the game. theres quite a lot of evidence out there proving it and its not difficult to find. hope you didnt hurt yourself with this one cimo.
DAD wasn't banned
@@michaelfellner9822hi Verlisify’s alt lol. Stay mad.
Something I love about CGB is that he’s clearly trying to learn the game. LSV has good card analysis because he’s been a top player forever, but he’s still basically shooting from the hip all the time. Rarran, somehow having actually played YGO seems to instantly forget everything between videos. On the other hand, CGB is taking notes, asking pertinent questions about what sorts of things are good or bad in the game, and brings up lessons from previous videos. The end goal imo isn’t to laugh at a newbie for not knowing cards, but to see someone’s understanding of the game grow, and CGB feels like the only one to take the assignment seriously. Please keep having him on!
I'm so glad you said that and took the time to write it out. I felt that way completely watching the last Rarran video. I literally said to myself "It's like he's not even trying how to picture how the card can be played".
I feel like lsv is retaining a lot of info across videos too
LSV purposefully does not consume Yugioh content specifically so he can shoot from the hip for these videos. He chooses not to learn Yugioh for a good reason.
@@MansMan42069 Neither is CGB, but CGB is clearly engaging in learning in a way it feels LSV isn't
@@syrelian "clearly"
how so? and how do you conclude that LSV isn't learning just because he doesn't act like CGB does?
You know what, I think I figured it out. I think the reason I keep thinking DAD was banned is because it made so many people quit the game (myself included), so I just assumed they banned it out of principle.
Evidently that wasn't the case, my bad! 🤣🤣🤣
Pin this so people stop saying it.
Also, you better show him Yatagarasu next video, first card. I want to see him go, "...oh THIS is the card!"
😂 After 10 episodes where you quizzed different people you finally figured it out
Wait so did this mean CGB went perfect? Also guessing the only card on the list that wasn't banned when even Cimo thought it was is pretty exceptional, really enjoyed the video but can't remember the score besides that CGB did very well
The Cimo errata
It wasn't banned. It banned you out the game 😂
he's learning not to read the levels- time to give him synchro monsters so that he has to keep reading them
Pendulums. He needs to meet pendulums.
@@Ceece20 all in good time- Cimo [insert extra o's here] seems to be trying to present the game in something akin to a chronological order (with occasional exceptions like Soul Charge)
Oh god the 1-2 mixup😂
Don't forget XYZs!
I meant...Synchro was made to make level matter to begin with
I like his reaction to crush card virus.
"Yes, this is my style of play where I choke out the other person's options and restrict their play. But, they still get to play the game and fight back. They still get to use their deck as a toolkit to try to find a way out of the puzzle I've crafted for them."
I like the fact that he's saying that he wants to beat the opponent because he crafted a better toolkit and used it better than them. Not because they weren't even allowed access to their toolkit. If they don't have the right tools to solve the problem the control player has presented them with, fine. But, it should be because they didn't have the right tools or because they used their tools wrong, not because they never even got to draw those tools to use.
@andrewdarby8843 even though imperial order literally makes it so the opponent isn't allowed to access their toolkit too and he is all for that card 😂 lol.
@@clayt6n Imperial order makes part of their toolkit useless, but they still 'have' it. If you don't put the right tools in your toolkit to handle Imperial order, it's utterly miserable to play against, but hey, you built your toolkit and you could have given yourself something to handle Imperial Order. There's a big difference between 'you don't get access to your tools' and 'I'm going to make your tools useless'.
It's the difference between a Control deck and a stun deck. Stun is literally defined by the playstyle of not letting your opponent play the game at all of possible.
Has he seen Yata yet? 😅
@@andrewdarby8843I don't get how it's different from crush card virus
No, Alex. Konami DIDN'T ban Imperial Order quickly after bringing it back. It stayed legal for so many years that people started speculating that the reason they didn't ban it back was because that would be an admission of incompetence from Konami after thinking they "fixed it" with the errata 😂
He misremembers stuff a lot. I love these videos but it takes so little effort to just look it up. Yugipedia has a banlist history for every card
@@cortert103 I feel like the not doing extra research + everyone's covid era brain fog really hurts some of these. Reminds me of how MBT basically surprises himself with the fact Soul Charge wasn't banned until January 2019 since it was limited all the way back in October 2014.
Probably from playing history it felt faster.
It was about 5 years at 1.
It also didn't see widespread play for a while. It was a side card and even then only sometimes
Find yourself a partner who looks at you like CGB looks at Imperial Order
😂😂😂
....you mean hungrily......? You can just buy that, bruh
It was the ever-so-lightly maniacal chuckle that got me~
i want CGB himself...
Dark Armed Dragon was a format warping card, but it was NEVER banned Cimo. Point for CGB
Second time he has said it was banned too. It was limited, never banned.
Sounds like engagement farming at this point
Sounds like a Mandela effect. I could have SWORN that it was banned... 😅
@@chanceneck8072 has to be. i have never even played yugioh i just every now and then looked at crazy banned cards and i couldve sworn i saw it there.
DAD was never banned, but the deck wholegot hit over and over again. It's probably a form of Mandela effect haha
CGB is my favorite guy for this series, he is so hilarious, cant wait to see him evaluating modern cards
I'm excited for him to be exposed to the other summon mechanics. I think it's a part of his notebook that he really needs.
"Soul Charge has been banned for uuh... almost a decade now I wanna say"
Alex forgot that for some inexplicable reason, Konami waited until 2019 to ban this busted card
Everyone seems to think it's been banned for far longer than it actually was.
5 = O(10).
I remember playing with it in 2017/2018 yeah
It was LIMITED a decade ago, which is definitely why the memory of "Konami hit the stupid thing" is set there
Thanks a lot Dzeef.
Cimo did it twice! Once with Rarran too! DAD WAS NEVER BANNED. Just limited.
CGBs reaction to Imperial Order was SUCH a blue player reaction, little counterspell gremlin 🤣🤣🤣
Sinister serpent is one for one the magic card "Squee, goblin nabob". It's a key component of a vintage deck called squeevine or hollowvine, where it is indeed used as recurring discard fodder.
Was about to write that
I’m baffled Squee wasn’t mentioned, it’s literally 1:1 just serpent.
Are you talking about skoo-ey?
also exeggcute :)
@@joebobby1412 Skoo-ey The Immortal, our one true god!
"If we die paying for Imperial Order, the control mage lived life his way" xD CGB omg as a control mage, I understood that feeling deeply,
"A game of Yu-Gi-Oh without a banlist"
Full Power Tearlaments, getting access to shit like Painful Choice and Sixth Sense: UNLIMITED POWER!
A game of yugioh without a banlist is just turn 0 Exodia wins forever
Guys I think he knows that dark armed dragon wasn’t banned now
I don't know I think like 50 more people should tell him in the comments. Just to be sure
Cimo, Dark Armed was never banned, it’s just been at one like forever
It’s at 3
@@Bob12649I know it’s at 3 now haha, but for most of its life it was at one
Man CGB would love Labyrinth and Traptrix.
We need this series to lead into CGB actually building a YGO deck and dueling Cimo.
CGB doesn't even play modern. I doubt he'd enjoy current day Yugioh. Maybe Traptrix from like 8 years ago.
@@xXSamir44XxIf this all leads up to CGB trying Yugioh, I could see Cimo teaching him with Edison like he did Rarran. I don’t know much about Edison, but I do know Gravekeeper Control could be a good pick for CGB
Nah runick is more like azorius, runick even has summon sickness
Some sources say that runick was indeed inspired from mtg
@@NeostormXLMAX I could see it, but is Runick Edison-legal? I don’t really know when a lot of archetypes post-GOAT and pre-current came out, I have a massive gap in my play years. And if Cimo is gonna teach anyone YGO, it’s gonna be in the one format he knows and likes best
man I get so happy when I see these rating videos uploaded, please keep em coming
Same
# 0001 CGB's analysis of Crush Card is my favorite part of the video. He was essentially preaching to the choir on this one. I could not have agreed more of everything he said about that damn card and its oppressive force during the time of its inception.
Cimo out here living in an alternate timeline where DAD got banned and not just Limited forever.
I know some people have PTSD from that era, but geez.
That Crush Card rant. That was Day9 Jade rant level. So good.
That fucking visceral reaction to Crush Card Virus is entirely justified.
CGB ranting about Crush Card Virus is the textbook definition of the "Magnificent Bastard" trope. A villain with standards
Or like the Joker turning on Red Skull because even he’s not a Nazi.
He's Pegasus. He'll do horrible things but he's doing it for love (of the game). Cimo is Kaiba and Rarran is Joey.
Soul charge was only banned in 2019. Don't worry Cimo, you're not the first Yugituber to say it was banned way before it actual was.
It's actually mindboggling they took so long to ban it when there's monster reborn that has been limited for a long ass time, but soul charge is just monster reborn on all the steroids in modern yugioh with link summoning and such.
Dark Armed Dragon is a great example of why line breaks should exist.
Yeah. Japanese card text uses numbered bullet points to separate effects but for w/e reason the western side of Konami refuses to.
@@MrMarnel i have a theory that they got a team of lawyers making it as obtuse as they can.
"Finally, someone playing Honest".
CGB, there is a card in Yugioh called Honest.
And said card got played in a top cut YCS feature match in the past month!
1:10:40 Showing a no-banlist Tear mirror replay to one of these guests would be the funniest thing ever
Its just a Selene ftk sadly, not that good, an actual tear mirror is better
Haven’t played yu gi oh since 2007 and these videos are always a blast. Thank you Cimo and CGB!
Man CGB has improved a lot with his evaluations,
He is starting to be a Yu-Gi-Oh player.
Make him play a game next
Start him off with classic yugioh, and hold off on having him play anything beyond the GX era until after the videos that introduce him to other extra deck types.
Actually, before getting him to play, introduce him to rituals.
Him vs Rarran would be awesome
I would love to see him give it a shot, that would make for a fun video.
I would wait a few videos first, where he can learn about all types of Summons. Then he would be ready to play a game.
@@OscarBrewer Nah it would be better if he played GOAT format first then slowly play once he learns each summoning mechanic.
Love this duo so much i went over to CGB channel and began the Magic learning along with Cimo and others
My favorite duo returning!!! Also that part where CGB threw notebook is fucking hilarious
For the record, even if Sinister Serpent was brought back to the game without any errata, I dont imagine it would really see play in anything anyway
There are enough powerful costs that it can do some damage, and it generally leaves a huge design hole for any design involving reptiles, level 1's, waters, etc.
Eh. There's enough things in standby phase that I think it could get nutty in the right deck. It wouldn't be nearly as splashable
probably true, like ok its a +3 in hand the next standy phase if used with Snake Rain but I really dont see how that could be useful
That speaks less to the card being balanced and more to the game being broken.
Eh, +3 isn't really worth much if it's bad cards. Like spellbook of judgement can draw you 7 cards and it's not played since you need to play a bad deck. Ojamas also can get you a lot of cards and no one plays it
Unpopular opinion here, Imperial Orders errata was a good errata. Like sure, it was still broken, and in the end it still needed to be banned. But it kept the spirit of the card without ruining the legacy of the card. I would rather have 100 Imperil order "Not harsh enough" Errata's than a single CED errata again.
I think if they errata'd it to say "Banish this card, for the rest of this turn spells and effects are negated." So it would still "technically" be a continuous trap but also would banish for effect, so you can still stop it by chaining a pop like before. It's not searchable by thrust or copyable by rollback. (Need exactly foolish burial goods and link 4 knightmare gryphon or to hard draw it.) At that point, it's essentially Kali yuga but spells only and counterable, making it different from anti-spell fragrance.
Erratas are just generally bad across the board, unless they actually just fix the text on it, without changing the effect.
@@janisir4529 the way Konami does them, yeah. Usually over-nerf a card when they could just make a new one with a similar name instead, then unban the card when it is powercrept enough (e.g., how they murdered brain control but ended up unbanning change of heart).
I think it's time to reverse some erratas:
Goyo Guardian was legal at 3 in the TCG for so long with no errata, and no one cared, and they gave him errata to bring him back to the OCG, affecting the TCG in the process.
Another one is Sinister Serpent. Seriously, would anyone play it just to wait two turns?
But your logic adds up to nothing: the Card's still banned - why is it even in a discussion? Just like CED - no one cares about that card anymore because it was always going to be Perma-banned in it's Original 'full' state, and the shot-nerfed state is not Good enough to see top Tier play. If a Card is banned - that's the worst thing that can happen to it: Period. But if unbanned again, it shows it is a Healthy design. We should have OP cards, I like them; but 0 point if they get banned.
How often have we heard him say 'They errata'd it and it's completely unplayable now' in these videos? 😂
I think that's just one of their ways of keeping a card "technically still around"
Is it bad that as CGB was evaluating Sinister Serpent, talking about Tribute Summons and such, I was hearing frog noises in the back of my head? 🐸
Just saying I died laughing during the Crush Card part. You broke him again
cgb is such a spirit animal... the control mage giggle at IO but crush card is "evil". loves to be annoying but still a man of principle
He's got it spot on. If you don't get to play, I didn't beat you. And that's the goal here. Anybody can win a game of solitaire. I'm out here to win a game against you.
I LOVE CGBs reaction to Crush Card Virus
44:25. I AM A CONTROL PLAYER, BUT I DON'T TAKE THEIR DRAW STEP!
46:45 EWW!
47:02 "dawning horror at the idea of Crush Card Virus being used by tournament level players"
"I'm holding my notebook." Throws at the wall
"I threw it at the wall!"
Haha! Dude you gave me one of the best laughs I have had in quite some time! Thank you! Your response was perfect!
Cimoooooooo has anyone ever told you that you have an amazing infectious laugh? Infectious in a good way. I love your laugh!
48:56 I played in this format in a local hobby store and someone had a full DAD Crush card Deck, They used it against my not very good deck. I was like, I read the card, and it basically said you lose. They also acted like a jerk and bragged that they won with it as well.
That was the only thing that guy had to be proud of that week
@@KingOfDarknessAndEvil That and the other cheese wins he got that week lol
@@KingOfDarknessAndEvil It's actually kinda worse if you think of the time period. The time being 2009, to get a net deck list, then purchase the cards, not everyone had access to online shopping, I remember I had to get some older college friends to buy me cards off e-bay....
At this point I'm convinced Cimo keeps incorrectly saying that DAD was banned in these videos for comment engagement.
I've not even played that much yugioh, just dabbled in it when I was a kid, and I can't stop watching these videos, it's just so entertaining. You two are a great combo together
Cgb is one hell of an evil mind,damn 😂
Edit: But he's indeed no monster,that crush card take saved him 😂
This series is my favourite keep going also shout out to CGB been keeping with the best one for years
IO was legal from 2017 to like 2021/22. That shit hasn't been legal with errata for just one format, it's been legal for 4-5 years!
Yeah :( I really like this video format but the whiffs on the history make it harder to watch. Proofreading/fact checking would do wonders
I like the idea that Cimo had the spirit of MARKETING take over his body and spit out the entire ELESTRALS sponsorship while CGB just had to sit there in call
CGB and Rarran really should just do a progression series with Cimo as the judge... itd be hilarious. No Banlist or maybe they ban a card or two every three games
Loved how he read Sixth Sense as if it really just said "Declare 5 and 6"
CGB's speech about Crush Card Virus revealing everything makes me know he understands and believes in the heart of the cards without having ever watched the show or playing the game.
"what a toxic environment they created"
-Yu-Gi-Oh in a nutshell.
"Imperial Order errata came back for one format and then they banned it immediately the next format."
What is Cimo talking about? The Imperial Order errata was legal for years lol
Just got to this part of the video and was like ??????????? What is he talking about
How did he just forget years of torment?
@@MegaMetal96 People actually didn't complain that much about it for a while. It was unbanned in 2017 but most people were okay with it existing until around 2021 I guess. That's when the massive uproar really started and then they banned it in 2022.
@@sast5454 only because mystic mine was legal at the time
He's confusing it with Snatch Steal I think
18:30 about Imperial Order - "Finally, somebody playing honest"
Honest in the corner: :(
CGB's love for control cards is always so funny. He always looks at these absolutely nutso flood gates like it's his favorite card. If man ever downloads master duel he's going to be another labyrinth player on ladder lol
Nah. He will definitely be a stun player. Lab ain't stun so wouldn't satisfy this fiend lmao
@@sammydray5919 not stun, countdown, stun is too interactive.
And it is FREE?? 😅🤭
I love this guy...
nah he has the mind of a runick-stun player.
Would CGB play COUNTER fairies? 😅
Wait Sinister serpent effect is changed to this:
"During your Standby Phase, if this card is in your GY: You can return it to your hand, also banish 1 "Sinister Serpent" from your GY during your opponent's next End Phase. You can only use this effect of "Sinister Serpent" once per turn."
Yup, pretty much meaning that multiple serpents are worthless, and that if you immediately send it back to its doom, it stays dead
Give your serpents time to heal folks!
@@syrelian Isin't there is a card that prevent card to banish from the grave?
One of the best episodes of this in recent times lol. CGBs reactions and especially CCV is hilarious
In magic, "exile a black creature card in your graveyard: destroy target permanent" would be a truly messed up ability. Even if it was at sorcery speed, it's still insane.
I love the fact that CGB immediately got the fact that Sixth Sense ACTUALLY reads, "Pick two numbers between 5 and 6..."
Also DAD wasn't banned. I played during the format and continued playing up until 2016-2018ish? We never got rid of it, we only adapted. DAD did not end me. It was Master Rule 4 that killed me.
Tbf a lot of people called 3-4 or 2-3
YESS!!! CGB is back!
I'm pausing everything else now for this! 🤩
cmon cimo you gotta know that DAD was never actually banned
But DAD was limited to 0 for a long time of my life😢
@@mrmittenns5728 Lmfao
It kinda annoys me that he doesn’t do any research before these videos. It’s so easy to look up if they were banned before he picks the cards for these videos
Yea CGB is absolutely right on the Crush Card Virus. That has to be a top contender for the worst thing a card game designer has ever done to their community. It is so abhorrently toxic, you can destroy your whole game and company with stuff like this.
I mean, konami still does this. They dont make them prize cards but they spike rarities immensely on very meta relevant card when coming to the TCG so theyre market valued at 50-100 usd minimum, and then reprint it right before it gets banned.
CGB's revilement of crush card was the highlight of my week lol
I love CGB's morals when it comes to CCV. There is something about the top decks that swing the game. Control is fun, but completely denying your Opponent isn't.
I'd love to see a video of CGB watching a yugioh game, one with loong combos in master duel . I need this reaction video now
You just dropped it after I marathoned his previous appearances. Man is great.
"Short period of time" Sinister Serpent was around for a long time before people looked at it
How to make Sixth Sense balanced if reprinted.
Declare 2 numbers between 1 and 6. Roll a dice. If you called them right, draw 2 cards. if you called them wrong, banish 6 cards from the top of your deck face down.
It could just come back in its current state, trap cards are that bad.
That sounds very unplayable and also completely different to the point of the card in the first place. The real way to do it is to add the runick drawback of skipping your next battle phase for activating the card alongside something about not being able to activate cards or effects with the same original name as the ones milled or drawn by the effect of sixth sense until the end of _your_ next turn after activation (cards drawn by this effect must be revealed). At this point, even a pontential (but unlikely) draw 5 is being restricted strongly enough to make it considerably stunted or balanced.
@@luminous3558 Nah completely impossible knowing rollback mill is a thing lol
@@ibra8096Shouldn't you declare 2 numbers at the activation time?
That looks better as another Pot card, and we just so happen to be missing a combo Pot card in the line up!
I think it'd be better to make it banish 2 cards face up, to make it a bit better, since you are fighting uphill due to the dice roll, calling only 2 out of 6 numbers. Straight up banishing face-down might be a bit too punishing, but at the same time, banishing 6 cards alone could also be used to your advantage in some decks like Gren Maju. Banishing 2 cards, face-up (so still in play) seems like a decent balance.
"I'm holding my notebook...I THREW IT AT THE WALL!"
Huhaushaushaushauhsuahshaush as a mtg and yugioh player, I'm loving this series
You should try to make some of these magic players try a few draft matches through these earlier eras of yu-gi-oh youre introducing them to, could be really fun seeing them put what they learned to the test!
YES YES YES!!!! Been waiting for this since the second the last video ended.
CGB is probably my favorite guest in these quiz series. It’s just so fun to see him react and learn and actually fully understand what’s going on
Mesa falcon guy delivered one of the greatest rants I ever heard in this one
Oh Hey, it’s the Mesa Falcon Guy
This series has been my introduction to both of you guys and I'm having a ton of fun getting these Yugi history lessons and listening to you two go back and forth about just how unhinged this beautifully insane game is. Thank you for the entertainment!
As of current date, (according to Yugipedia)
Last Will has 3,807 targets
There are 13,443 cards in the OCG
That is over a fourth of the cards in existence that this one card can get for basically free
Love so much the way you explain the cards man 😂 great video!
Don’t know why CGB is afraid of crush card, it looses to Jinzo
Yea the Jinzo that you can't even draw and keep because he's dead right away alongside 3+ cards in your hand back then lol
As a kid I never understood he point of Sinister Serpent. Thinking now I was dumb for not realizing that thing was infinite discard fodder for all kinds of other cards.
As a kid, I thought Upstart Goblin was the worst card ever. We would even sneak it into each other's decks as a joke. 😂
That's a great idea for the next part of this series. Give them broken, pre-determined, iconic decks and have thrm duel against your underpowered, janky deck to see if they could put together a win and possibly even figure out the primary win condition and common combos.
That's not much of a series. Or a game. I don't understand why Yugioh players love pretending that their game is super complex or that their decks are difficult to understand. Especially when you're talking about people who are already good at highly complex card games in their own right.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 if it was rogue vs meta and blind going into the deck, it could work. but if you read the cards you pretty much can play fine. as a ygo player i think i would absolutely suck at magic, but i dont think a magic player would suck at ygo given they understand like the basic rules or are playing in a simulator.
@@uuh4yj43 The gap between a rogue deck and a meta deck is small enough that the experience gap with the game will matter. But that experience gap will not be large enough to swing the outcomes outside of incredibly lame and unsatisfying scenarios. Losing to stupid judge rulings from 15 years ago that should've been overturned just isn't fun. Nor are the "gotcha" mechanics that are you have no way of knowing even exist until they already cost you the entire match.
I play both Yugioh and MtG. They do test different skillsets, though the overlaps does lead to Yugioh being easy for an MtG player to grasp, while the Yugioh player will struggle with land math and the exponentially more complex boardstates that MtG puts out. Resource management is another thing Yugioh doesn't prepare its players for that will absolutely cost you games of MtG. Doing nothing is almost never the best play in Yugioh, but sometimes it is for MtG.
Opponent flips table and walks out, that should be the ultimate errata for IO.
"How lucky. I hate this game" is the single best way to describe any competitive card game ever.
CGB actually got a perfect this video. What a chad.
Man the soul charge banter was hillarious because thats EXACTLY how it went😂😂😂
50:56 Oh wow, Cimo actually broke his own "Monster, Spell, Trap" pattern! Keeping us all guessing, lol
This was a great episode. LOVED CBG's reactions to these cards! YuGiOh is quite a game haha.
Graceful was banned for the first 2 banned lists, came back during goat format, and then was banned along with pot of greed- for the first time - after goat
It was also legal along with confiscation without pot of greed for atleast one banlist. I remember that since that was how it was when i started playing yu-gi-oh.
Big fan of your videos with cgb and rarran. You 3 are great ambassadors for your games and as someone who plays/played all 3 games,I love your perspectives and your train of thoughts when analyzing the cards 😊
And the banter just keeps on getting better 😂
CGB’s reaction to crush card reminds me of how I felt when I used to get cooked by brilliant fusion when it was at 3
"I'm a proud control player, not some degenerate Stax monster"
I LOVE this series and CGB is the perfect guest for this, but I think Cimo needs to take notes too on the prep to make sure those innacuracies don't happen.
And I don't even blame him too much for DAD, I could swear it had been banned too at some point.
"And it got out of hand very quickly."
Cimo making a discard serpent pun and just letting it slide 15:02
After that crush card rant imagine when he plays Yu-Gi-Oh Master duel 😂. He us still under the illusion this game is somewhat fair.
Id love to see him watch plant combo off for 12 minutes just to get evenly matched.
... which half of that are you suggesting is unfair?
@@dontmisunderstand6041 they're both unfair.
It's just what he said during the rant. He was talking about how as a control player he wants to see his opponent do their thing and build their board and then crush it with superior meta knowledge and deck building.
He was saying crush card isn't even fun because your opponent just can't even play their deck.
Forget control in Yu-Gi-Oh the only way to play the game competitively is to build a board of 25 negates and laugh as your opponent doesn't get to play their deck. And the only way to counter that is with almost as broken cards like dark ruler nib droplet or pray you draw 5 hand traps and a 1 card full combo.
What he was ranting about just reminded me of Yu-Gi-Oh in general lol
@@dontmisunderstand6041 they're both unfair.
It's just what he said during the rant. He was talking about how as a control player he wants to see his opponent do their thing and build their board and then crush it with superior meta knowledge and deck building.
He was saying crush card isn't even fun because your opponent just can't even play their deck.
Forget control in Yu-Gi-Oh the only way to play the game competitively is to build a board of 25 negates and laugh as your opponent doesn't get to play their deck. And the only way to counter that is with almost as broken cards like dark ruler nib droplet or pray you draw 5 hand traps and a 1 card full combo.
What he was ranting about just reminded me of Yu-Gi-Oh in general lol
@@dontmisunderstand6041 they're both unfair.
It's just what he said during the rant. He was talking about how as a control player he wants to see his opponent do their thing and build their board and then crush it with superior meta knowledge and deck building.
He was saying crush card isn't even fun because your opponent just can't even play their deck.
Forget control in Yu-Gi-Oh the only way to play the game competitively is to build a board of 25 negates and laugh as your opponent doesn't get to play their deck. And the only way to counter that is with almost as broken cards like dark ruler nib droplet or pray you draw 5 hand traps and a 1 card full combo.
What he was ranting about just reminded me of Yu-Gi-Oh in general lol
43:22 "im a villain not a monster"
First time a sponsor has actually piqued my curiosity. Instant access to all gameplay components... finally a game that respects my time
Definitely a real comment not made by the developer of whatever game sponsored this.
@@animalchin5082 I actually am not though xD this is my genuine feedback. I'd check out more sponsors if they were like this opposed to raid, scam legends or other wish level games
@@animalchin5082 Elestrals doesn't need to pay for youtube comments.
Mbt would just comment for them.
@43:35 CGB just hooked so many people on card games if they weren't already. What a speech
MTG has Squee Goblin Nabob and the Immortal.
The fisrt return to your hand during the Upkeep if its in your GY and the second you can alway play from the GY or Exile. I think that is very close to Sinister serpent, specially Goblin Nabob
can it happen indefinite amount of times, 1 of the things that wasnt mentioned unless I didnt catch it is that sinister serpent can return an unlimited amount of times even within the same standby phase if it somehow finds itself there again no matter how many times it returned to the hand, this effectively gave it infinite loop potential if any players managed to find any sort of combo or synergy that can take advantage of this aspect so konami just nuked this potential in the bud on errata
“This was the 1st time we special’d by exiling from the grave.”
Soul of Purity & all the special cycle from Labyrinth of Nightmare: “Are we jokes to you?”
The natural conclusion of this series must be a goat format duel between rarran and cgb
Soul Charge is also probably one of the best topdecks you can hope to have. It's completely crushing when you play against someone, you trade all your ressources for theirs, simplified gamestate, and they just find a way to topdeck soul charge.
That's twice you've got this card wrong Cimo. DAD was never banned..just Limited for a VERY long time.