??? Ive often wondered, if you get a ding chunk out of the round of the rim hook, say 3 mm chunk out of a 40 mm alloy rim, and so often the wheel doesnt even go out of true, how do you know you have to replace the rim?
Interesting point and thoughts on squishy low tyre pressure. I have tried wheels with 25mm Gp4000s2 tyres and didn't like the squishy feel on the front. Changed back to 23mm. Perhaps may use 25mm tyres with shorter sidewalls? Btw.. Love Hed wheels. I had a pair of Hed stinger 6.
How do you feel about 28's on these? I ride with 25's on my track bike with corimas, 28's on my road bike with climbing wheels. These will definitely be for more TT riding, buy the comfort of 28 is real
I'm 195ish lbs. I got the Hunt Carbon rim brake 50mm depth wheels. I almost ruined them by running 105 psi. They went out of true the first ride, but then I trued them again and now I barely run 90 psi. I find the ride quality much smoother and probably faster with the rough roads we have around here.
@@nationsnumber1chump I’d be curious to the longevity of your carbon wheels with a system weight of 273 lbs. if you were my customer you would be on an alloy wheel with 32 spokes 😉
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad actually I know a guy I ride with, got himself a pair of carbon black inc. five spoke. Supposedly they are fast and hold his weight. He's well over 200 lbs. They look cool too
Nice wheels! Does the black finish wear off on the brake track? I purchased another brand of aluminum wheels and the black brake track began wearing off immediately with light grit on dry rides. After a wet ride, they looked really bad.
Hello Sean - I’ve had multiple sets over the years. I’ve not had the black run off. However I don’t ride in the rain unless I get caught out. I gravel with the lower profile set and the black is still in good shape.
Thanks for that review, great job. I have a couple of questions. First one is do they have to be used as tubeless or will a tube work just fine? Second question it, what brake pad do they recommend to be used?
Hello and thanks for watching! Tubeless Hooked rims can be used with tubeless tires or tubes. Regular brake pads. Let me know if you need a set of HED Wheels I everywhere. Contact me directly at “revcycling@gmail.com”
I’m here for all your ‘side notes’ too not just the review. Up to know I been running 25s with a rim that the max was 23s do you think that could cause?? More flats?
Great video as always. Something I constantly hear regarding HED wheels nowadays is how the 25 mm outside brake track is old school and how it should be wider (thus the move to disk brakes). Then again I'm not so sure that speed records are being broken purely due to wider wheels and tires. New way to market new stuff so people get all new bikes?
People claim the death of rim brakes because caliper brakes can’t accommodate today’s necessity for wider tires and wheels. I can’t imagine that a 32mm is more aero than a 25mm what do I know I’m just a retro grouch
The mens and women's world championship 4k pursuit being won on stretched out 25mm tubeless tires on wider rims is quite telling. Everything is optomized for aerodynamics and rolling resistance without worrying about an imperfect surface, compliance or flat tires
I have pretty shallow alloy wheels (30mm depth) made by Williams. That’s not very deep at all.. and man, when I’m riding in an area with strong crosswinds mixed with strong gusts, those front wheels are really affected. The wheelset is 1600 grams. Im a rider that just wants one set of wheels mainly because of budget. I’m not a TT rider, mainly road rider and not racing except for spirited group rides. So my thinking is to stick with shallow profiles under 40mm. 50mm and deeper - seems those would be a bear to handle under gusty crosswinds and we have a lot of that down here (south Louisiana). And in grouprides, having the front wheels being moved around could be a safety factor when riding close behind or when two by two in groups (we do that a lot).
And you’re not a small rider over 200 lbs. imagine a deep section wheel on a smaller rider - sketchy for sure. The 46mm feels fine for me. I put those 60mm on my race bike to demo them.
True! Btw.. i was 205 this morning! Well, after my fasting ride of three hours. Getting close to 200. At 200 the Mrs said I can have a couple or three Martinis. :) Every 10 pounds I’m allowed a couple drinks to celebrate and for motivation lol
I have also seen carbon Bottom brackets crack/fail! Additionally, their manufacturing tolerances are awful. They are out of spec coming off the line. Or worse the elongate over time. When new you need a press to get the bearings in and eventually you push them in with your hands, and ultimately they just fall out!
@@wesleystephen9169 this why you are seeing frame manufacturers going back to threaded bottom brackets. The most egregious Bike brand was Cannondale, who started this whole debacle with BB 30 they have now gone back to a thread in bottom bracket. Specialized has also gone back to thread in on some of their models. The Retro Grouch approves of ditching pressfit for thread-in. Not only are the tolerances better, but the bottom brackets are better. For example, when you install the Shimano thread in bottom bracket it’s there for life I’ve never had to replace one on any of my bikes.
You can consider a titanium frame. They are lightweight and help tame the harsh road vibration. Plus they have threaded bottom brackets. On the used market, they are a great value.
ENVE backtracked on its lifetime warranty and lifetime crash replacement, and are now back to 5-years warranty against defects and 3-years for free crash replacement. I wonder if others like Zipp and Reynolds will follow suit.
Thank you so much for chiming in! Maybe ENVE was experiencing too many failures. I appreciate your input very much. It might interest you to know I set these up tubeless. Yes I know for me it’s like hitting my head against the wall but I’m going to try it AGAIN 😂 I’m going to run much lower pressure and see if I can get used to the ride. I will ride 70 psi and see how it feels.
@@Freacer1 Thank You I was not aware of that. I was trying to sell a Bianchi to a lady who wanted one badly. But her only objection was that her Specialized had cracked and they did a warranty. She didn’t end up buying the Bianchi because she didn’t want to caught out of it cracked on her. She wanted the lifetime warranty Specialized had.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I was kinda lucky with my own recent purchase... I bought a midrange Tarmac from a dealer mid 2021, the lifetime warranty was a big factor for me as well. Otherwise I would´ve probably picked up a bike from Canyon. A few weeks later I got notified by the dealer, informing me about "changed warranty conditions". In the EU the warranty was about to change to 2 years (or 5 years - if the bike was registered online). I contacted Specialized´s Rider-care and they confirmed, since I bought the bike ahead of the change, that I´d still be able to claim the lifetime-warranty if necessary. Had they really changed it to 5 years for my purchase, I personally would´ve returned the bike. I love my Tarmac, but would´ve never paid the extra over other brands, if it had "only" 5 years of warranty as with many other companies.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I'm debating whether to get this or the new Winspace Hyper R67 which are staggered wheelset with 21mm internals (optimized for 25-28mm tires). Not sure if you're familiar with them. They are carbon deep dish (58mm front / 68mm back) full carbon wheelset w/ carbon spokes and ceramic bearings @ $1300 ($1100 w/ 15% off code). What I like most about the HED's are the aluminum brake tracks which I know will last a lot longer than carbon. I checked the website and HED says that the wheels are optimized for 23mm which to me are way to thin. I'm a heavy rider and 28s are my preferred tire size, but I'm not sure if they will go well with HED's RC6 wheels.
@@regg82ooo HED's research is in the wind tunnel and everyone knows 23 tires are more aero than 28's. I mean you know that right? No really think about it a little longer. 23 tires are more aero than 28's Furthermore, if you are seeking aero then you never want your tire to be bigger than the external rim width. Now let's put all that aside and get out of the wind tunnel and ride in the real world. Who gives a shit about all that? You said you are a heavier rider so chances are you're not very aero - then put 28 tires on the HED's and be done with it. You can put any tire on any wheel. What are you talking about "I'm not sure if they will go well with the HED's"? As I mentioned in a previous comment the 28 5000's measured under 28 anyway. Furthermore I want nothing do with a full carbon wheel. Braking will be terrible in the dry and downright dangerous in the wet. Who cares about ceramic bearings? They never last and when it's time to replace them good luck finding them for a Chinese wheel. So then you put on stainless steel bearings anyway. Carbon spokes are not aero. You do you but I would never ever buy a full carbon rim brake wheel. If it's carbon ... it will break not a matter of if but a matter of when. Cheers,
@@SeeYouUpTheRoadI always run 23/25 tire combination. Those are low PSI recommendations. They'd feel too squishy for me. Is that brake trake the same as the Mavic Exalth rims that use specific Swiss Stop pads? The grip is phenomenal.
HED wheels are my favorite training wheels! The ultra light stuff should be for race days only. Any experience with reserve wheels? They have a pretty outrageous warranty and apparently no weight limit for those Clydesdale riders!
Hello Ian, thank you for watching! I don’t recognize the brand you’re talking about. As a bike shop, I stay with the big brands that I know will take care of me which in turn helps take care of the customer if they have an issue.
Yeah the whole weight weenie thing is flawed as the bike is only like 10% or less of the system weight (including rider/water/equipment). Much easier to just lose a pound or two of belly fat like you said
I know sounds low doesn’t it? HED stresses their max pressure in multiple places. They even have a sticker right at the valve stem with max pressures listed per tire size.
I have a set of hed rc5 black wheels. I had them on my bike for about a year I love them.
Rim Brakes 4 Ever!!!!!😎💯
Yes yes yes!!
??? Ive often wondered, if you get a ding chunk out of the round of the rim hook, say 3 mm chunk out of a 40 mm alloy rim, and so often the wheel doesnt even go out of true, how do you know you have to replace the rim?
Interesting point and thoughts on squishy low tyre pressure. I have tried wheels with 25mm Gp4000s2 tyres and didn't like the squishy feel on the front. Changed back to 23mm. Perhaps may use 25mm tyres with shorter sidewalls?
Btw.. Love Hed wheels. I had a pair of Hed stinger 6.
Thank you for watching. Please consider subscribing.
I had some Stingers but I sold them because they were tubular
Good review. I’m considering HED wheels for my caad 10 build
Wonderful! Let me know when you’re ready. Also if you have some questions I didn’t cover let me know. I can shoot a supplemental video.
Great video! My only suggestion is to include MSRP pricing so if tolks are looking for wheels, they can certainly compare pricing. Thanks Again!
Hello Jackie thank you for the feedback! I will consider adding MSRP for future videos.
How do you feel about 28's on these? I ride with 25's on my track bike with corimas, 28's on my road bike with climbing wheels. These will definitely be for more TT riding, buy the comfort of 28 is real
I'm 195ish lbs. I got the Hunt Carbon rim brake 50mm depth wheels. I almost ruined them by running 105 psi. They went out of true the first ride, but then I trued them again and now I barely run 90 psi. I find the ride quality much smoother and probably faster with the rough roads we have around here.
Hello Sheldon what was their recommended pressure for your weight and tire size?
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad max 95 psi, max weight with bike and everything is 273lbs. Says to regularly check with mechanic if you are over 202 lbs.
@@nationsnumber1chump I’d be curious to the longevity of your carbon wheels with a system weight of 273 lbs. if you were my customer you would be on an alloy wheel with 32 spokes 😉
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad actually I know a guy I ride with, got himself a pair of carbon black inc. five spoke. Supposedly they are fast and hold his weight. He's well over 200 lbs. They look cool too
Nice wheels! Does the black finish wear off on the brake track? I purchased another brand of aluminum wheels and the black brake track began wearing off immediately with light grit on dry rides. After a wet ride, they looked really bad.
Hello Sean - I’ve had multiple sets over the years. I’ve not had the black run off. However I don’t ride in the rain unless I get caught out. I gravel with the lower profile set and the black is still in good shape.
Thanks for that review, great job.
I have a couple of questions. First one is do they have to be used as tubeless or will a tube work just fine?
Second question it, what brake pad do they recommend to be used?
Hello and thanks for watching!
Tubeless Hooked rims can be used with tubeless tires or tubes.
Regular brake pads.
Let me know if you need a set of HED Wheels I everywhere. Contact me directly at “revcycling@gmail.com”
And please consider subscribing 😊
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I did when I first saw the video, and it shows subscribed.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Thanks for answering my questions. A wheel thing is in the future yet, but I will keep your information.
@@Rekmeyata Wonderful! Sadly, I can't tell who is subscribed or not.
I’m here for all your ‘side notes’ too not just the review. Up to know I been running 25s with a rim that the max was 23s do you think that could cause?? More flats?
The side notes are the most important nuggets of knowledge. I don’t think it would create more flats but I don’t know
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Thank you
Great video as always. Something I constantly hear regarding HED wheels nowadays is how the 25 mm outside brake track is old school and how it should be wider (thus the move to disk brakes). Then again I'm not so sure that speed records are being broken purely due to wider wheels and tires. New way to market new stuff so people get all new bikes?
People claim the death of rim brakes because caliper brakes can’t accommodate today’s necessity for wider tires and wheels. I can’t imagine that a 32mm is more aero than a 25mm what do I know I’m just a retro grouch
The mens and women's world championship 4k pursuit being won on stretched out 25mm tubeless tires on wider rims is quite telling. Everything is optomized for aerodynamics and rolling resistance without worrying about an imperfect surface, compliance or flat tires
I have pretty shallow alloy wheels (30mm depth) made by Williams. That’s not very deep at all.. and man, when I’m riding in an area with strong crosswinds mixed with strong gusts, those front wheels are really affected. The wheelset is 1600 grams. Im a rider that just wants one set of wheels mainly because of budget. I’m not a TT rider, mainly road rider and not racing except for spirited group rides. So my thinking is to stick with shallow profiles under 40mm. 50mm and deeper - seems those would be a bear to handle under gusty crosswinds and we have a lot of that down here (south Louisiana). And in grouprides, having the front wheels being moved around could be a safety factor when riding close behind or when two by two in groups (we do that a lot).
And you’re not a small rider over 200 lbs. imagine a deep section wheel on a smaller rider - sketchy for sure.
The 46mm feels fine for me. I put those 60mm on my race bike to demo them.
True! Btw.. i was 205 this morning! Well, after my fasting ride of three hours. Getting close to 200. At 200 the Mrs said I can have a couple or three Martinis. :)
Every 10 pounds I’m allowed a couple drinks to celebrate and for motivation lol
@@dsonyay love it!
used to run my conti competitions at 170 psi
Yep my tubulars would be 150-160 psi 😂
there a weight limit?
Not that I know of. Why how much do you weigh?
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I am 220
@@p49N you should be fine. But if you have weight to lose it sure will make riding easier and more fun 🤩
George, are carbon bottom brackets likely to fail from stress over time?
I have also seen carbon Bottom brackets crack/fail! Additionally, their manufacturing tolerances are awful. They are out of spec coming off the line. Or worse the elongate over time. When new you need a press to get the bearings in and eventually you push them in with your hands, and ultimately they just fall out!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Thanks, George.
@@wesleystephen9169 this why you are seeing frame manufacturers going back to threaded bottom brackets. The most egregious Bike brand was Cannondale, who started this whole debacle with BB 30 they have now gone back to a thread in bottom bracket. Specialized has also gone back to thread in on some of their models.
The Retro Grouch approves of ditching pressfit for thread-in. Not only are the tolerances better, but the bottom brackets are better. For example, when you install the Shimano thread in bottom bracket it’s there for life I’ve never had to replace one on any of my bikes.
Thank you, kindly, for your insights.
You can consider a titanium frame. They are lightweight and help tame the harsh road vibration. Plus they have threaded bottom brackets. On the used market, they are a great value.
Whats the external width on theses things?
13:20 I talk about internal and external width. 25mm external
ENVE backtracked on its lifetime warranty and lifetime crash replacement, and are now back to 5-years warranty against defects and 3-years for free crash replacement. I wonder if others like Zipp and Reynolds will follow suit.
Specialized has also changed the lifetime-warranty on frames to 5 years some time ago
Thank you so much for chiming in! Maybe ENVE was experiencing too many failures.
I appreciate your input very much. It might interest you to know I set these up tubeless. Yes I know for me it’s like hitting my head against the wall but I’m going to try it AGAIN 😂 I’m going to run much lower pressure and see if I can get used to the ride. I will ride 70 psi and see how it feels.
@@Freacer1 Thank You I was not aware of that. I was trying to sell a Bianchi to a lady who wanted one badly. But her only objection was that her Specialized had cracked and they did a warranty. She didn’t end up buying the Bianchi because she didn’t want to caught out of it cracked on her. She wanted the lifetime warranty Specialized had.
@@Freacer1 Just looked on Specialized’s website. They still have lifetime warranties on frames/forks and Roval wheels.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I was kinda lucky with my own recent purchase... I bought a midrange Tarmac from a dealer mid 2021, the lifetime warranty was a big factor for me as well. Otherwise I would´ve probably picked up a bike from Canyon.
A few weeks later I got notified by the dealer, informing me about "changed warranty conditions". In the EU the warranty was about to change to 2 years (or 5 years - if the bike was registered online).
I contacted Specialized´s Rider-care and they confirmed, since I bought the bike ahead of the change, that I´d still be able to claim the lifetime-warranty if necessary.
Had they really changed it to 5 years for my purchase, I personally would´ve returned the bike. I love my Tarmac, but would´ve never paid the extra over other brands, if it had "only" 5 years of warranty as with many other companies.
Anyone have experience running 28s on these wheels?
I have used Continental 5000 TL’s when going graveling. They measures under 28 mm
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I'm debating whether to get this or the new Winspace Hyper R67 which are staggered wheelset with 21mm internals (optimized for 25-28mm tires). Not sure if you're familiar with them. They are carbon deep dish (58mm front / 68mm back) full carbon wheelset w/ carbon spokes and ceramic bearings @ $1300 ($1100 w/ 15% off code). What I like most about the HED's are the aluminum brake tracks which I know will last a lot longer than carbon. I checked the website and HED says that the wheels are optimized for 23mm which to me are way to thin. I'm a heavy rider and 28s are my preferred tire size, but I'm not sure if they will go well with HED's RC6 wheels.
@@regg82ooo HED's research is in the wind tunnel and everyone knows 23 tires are more aero than 28's. I mean you know that right? No really think about it a little longer. 23 tires are more aero than 28's Furthermore, if you are seeking aero then you never want your tire to be bigger than the external rim width.
Now let's put all that aside and get out of the wind tunnel and ride in the real world. Who gives a shit about all that? You said you are a heavier rider so chances are you're not very aero - then put 28 tires on the HED's and be done with it. You can put any tire on any wheel. What are you talking about "I'm not sure if they will go well with the HED's"? As I mentioned in a previous comment the 28 5000's measured under 28 anyway.
Furthermore I want nothing do with a full carbon wheel. Braking will be terrible in the dry and downright dangerous in the wet. Who cares about ceramic bearings? They never last and when it's time to replace them good luck finding them for a Chinese wheel. So then you put on stainless steel bearings anyway. Carbon spokes are not aero.
You do you but I would never ever buy a full carbon rim brake wheel. If it's carbon ... it will break not a matter of if but a matter of when.
Cheers,
That is pretty deep. For me 50mm is the sweet spot
Pretty much how I feel as well. Thanks for watching
@@SeeYouUpTheRoadI always run 23/25 tire combination. Those are low PSI recommendations. They'd feel too squishy for me. Is that brake trake the same as the Mavic Exalth rims that use specific Swiss Stop pads? The grip is phenomenal.
HED wheels are my favorite training wheels! The ultra light stuff should be for race days only.
Any experience with reserve wheels? They have a pretty outrageous warranty and apparently no weight limit for those Clydesdale riders!
Hello Ian, thank you for watching! I don’t recognize the brand you’re talking about. As a bike shop, I stay with the big brands that I know will take care of me which in turn helps take care of the customer if they have an issue.
Yeah the whole weight weenie thing is flawed as the bike is only like 10% or less of the system weight (including rider/water/equipment). Much easier to just lose a pound or two of belly fat like you said
Thank you for watching please consider subscribing
68 psi! : 🎼 Hello cracked rim my old friend..... I've come to deal with you again.... this day instead of easy cycling..... 🎼
I know sounds low doesn’t it? HED stresses their max pressure in multiple places. They even have a sticker right at the valve stem with max pressures listed per tire size.