2024 Stockli Stormrider 95 Ski Review with SkiEssentials.com
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- While not necessarily an earth-shattering change, Stockli has made some noticeable tweaks to the Stormrider line for 2024, including the ever-versatile 95.
Written Review: www.skiessentials.com/Chairli...
0:00 - Intro
2:05 - Construction
6:30 - Flex Pattern
7:45 - Shape
11:20 - Length Options
14:00 - Bob's Experience
17:50 - On-Piste Feel
20:05 - Car Analogy!
21:00 - Price and Summary
25:15 - Bonus Robby Kelley WRT Pro Footage
I love your content guys, you're by far the best in the biz for ski reviews. THANK YOU so much for doing this review! It has been so hard to find info on the '24 version of this ski. I have 4 skis in my quiver and usually demo 5-10 new skis every season. I demo'd a '23 Stormrider 95 last year for a day and was just blown away. I had never had a chance to get on a Stockli before. It's hard to describe the quality and feel, you really don't get it until you actually get on one. I decided that day, I'd buy a '24 Stormrider 95 this fall hoping for a new topsheet colour (not a huge fan of the blue/black). It's like they read my mind, love the new topsheet. I'm a hard charging 5'11" at 190lbs. The 175 I tried was fine but did feel a touch short, but I was worried the 184 would be too much (my 184 Mantra 102s are beasts!). Now, with these changes to the mount point and the tail, the 182 will be the perfect ski for me and a massive upgrade on my '22 Maverick 95tis which it will be replacing. Thanks again guys! I'll probably watch this 10 more times to hold me over, lol. Already missing ski season, can't wait for next winter!!
Ha! Awesome to hear. It's so smooth and fun. Definitely didn't want ski season to end once I started skiing on it.
How do the storm riders compare to your Mavs?
@@jaychu3850 My Mavericks are 180cm. What appealed to me initially was a light weight ski with a little metal that carved well for a mid 90s all mountain ski. What I ended up disliking the most about them after a lot of use is that it's just not a very stable or damp ski at all. Like the Mavericks, the Stormriders are still fairly light but they have the stability of a much burlier ski. They are sooo smooth and damp it's like butter. They carv better and the slightly revised tail shape still allows for an aggressive turn. The Mavericks have a stiffer tail which I found frustrating in the trees. The tail is a little softer in the Stormriders and they are surprisingly maneuverable considering they're not very rockered. The Stormriders are just better at everything, I can't think of one thing the Mavericks do better. For reference, my '24 Stormrider 95's are 182cm with raw Look Pivot 15's. It was a pricey set-up but worth every penny. I have many skis and have regretted a purchase or two in the past . I have no regrets with my Stockli's at all.
Hi, I just want to say that you have some fantastic content on this channel. I also have a question whether this ski would suit me well? I've always skied on slalom and giant slalom skis like the Atomic G9 and the X9 but I'm looking for a ski that offers much more off piste that also delivers on groomers. I am a 6'4' 85 kg very experienced skier. Would the Stormrider 95 188 be an option or am I better off with the Stormrider 102.
Thanks!
Great question--the main difference between the 95 and the 102 is that the 102 has a thinner profile and a more flexible nature. This gives the 95 a pretty big advantage when it comes to on-trail and carving performance without as much of a loss in terms of soft snow and powder. Given that you have the narrow skis as a base part of your ski history, the move to the 102 might be on the dramatic side. I'd lean to the 95 if I were you. Have fun!
SE
Absolutely sensational content and i only wish we had a company like this near me or anywhere in europe for that matter! I cant decide between the 3 sizes of the stormrider and wondered if you might be able to very quickly provide a way of deciding which model to go for 88, 95 or 102? Thanks again
We ship internationally!
Between the widths, I usually think that if I were to have one ski for everything, I'd go 95--this is a very useful and versatile shape--still a fantastic carver but with the width and slightly more flexible shovel for softer and deeper snow. The 102 is actually quite a bit lighter and more forgiving in the front half than the other two, making it a great choice for off-trail adventures. I like the 88 as a daily, but after skiing the Montero AR at 84 mm underfoot for a few seasons now, it's harder for me to see the 88's place in the lineup as it doesn't carve as good as the Montero and isn't quite as well-rounded as the 95. To clarify, for one pair, get the 95.
@@SkiEssentials thanks so much for your reply. With shipping to uk. How does it work with taxes (vat)? Do we take care of that or do you build it into the cost? How long would it take roughly ? I currently have Stockli laser SC. So I’m thinking of a second pair. I haven’t ventured off piste much as yet but want something that’s perfect as the slopes get all mashed up towards the end of the day and thought the montero would be too similar to the SC? So was thinking SR88 as a middle point but I will take your advice if the 105 fits. And as you have been so helpful with the videos and replies. I will definitely order from you as a way of showing my appreciation.
Bought some yesterday. Tried the 88 3 times and then the 95. Cost a lot of money to demo skis. Just had to pull the trigger. And as the guys mentioned, i just worked a few days of overtime to make it happen. Ive already forgotten about the labor. Time to go ski..
Awesome! Dreams can come true!
Great review guys, thanks again, really enjoy the depth and breadth of your analysis and the style that comes across. When will you guys be reviewing the 2024 SR88? Look forward to that, since I am in the market for a pair ;-)
We'll have that ski in our 2024 Ski Test available soon, but the longer form review won't be until some point this winter. It'll also be featured in our Comparison Series video sometime this fall.
Thanks guys for your content! I’m 5’10” 190lbs. I can’t demo these skies unfortunately. Would love to hear your advice on length fitting for the SR95. I ski eastern Canada-US. Would you suggest 176 or 182?
If you're on the aggressive side of the spectrum and find yourself at higher speeds more often than not, the 182 will be great. For more moderate speeds with some quick-turning capabilities mixed in, the 176 will have enough stability and sturdiness to hold you up. Nice shorter radius on that 176 as well.
I noticed that you skipped over soft snow, trees and bumps. Do you recommended keeping these on piste?
While we may not have specifically covered mogul and tree performance, I think the bulk of the general conversation centered around the ski's improvements in those areas versus the 2023 model. As a 95 with a strong yet nimble build, the recommendation is that you can use them literally anywhere!
Love your content! Had been skiing my Volkl AC4 Titanium in 184 (circa 2007) for many years and loved them so kind of ignored the latest skis for a while. Decided this past season to upgrade. Demo'd Mantra M6, Kendo 88, Kore 93, MX88. Liked the Kendo, mixed on M6, but didn't like the others for various reasons. But after a lot of research and watching videos, I actually ended up wtih the Deacon 84. Love them! Find the Deacon 84 to be a great all mountain ski with good carving and hard pack/ice grip. Next season, I'll likely look to fill in a mid 90mm ski for deeper snow days. Considering I have the Deacon, was wondering what you might recommend, something like the M6 or more the SR95 (2023 or 2024)? Definitely a directional skier, advanced expert, comfortable all terrain. 6 ft, 220, sking mostly CO and Ut.
At your weight and in your skiing terrain, I'd go wider. Like somewhere around 105mm width for float and versatility. 84 to mid 90's is not that big of a jump or change in attributes to make it worth while if you are only going to have 2 pairs of skis.
I like to see at least 10 mm of difference in ski width, and it looks like you have it here. M6 will be more like the Deacon, only wider, so if you're looking for a similar feel but in a different footprint, that's a great way to go. Stormrider is lighter, easier to ski at more moderate speeds, and more versatile overall. This makes the Stockli a more different character from the Volkl's. I'd also say it's okay to look one width wider, so Mantra 102 or Stormrider 102 are at least worth a look.
Hi I’m a 5’ 4’ 60 kg intermediate skier that mainly skis in Pennsylvania/East coast at resorts. Do you have any recommendations for skis? I am considering the Santa Ana, black pearl, and rally bird from my research. But I am open to other options and unsure how long/wide they should be. Thanks!
HI Tiffany!
I think the low to mid 80's for width is a good place to be for your application. Of the skis on your list, the Black Pearl 82 and the Santa Ana 84 make a lot of sense. Both have a great mix of on-trail confidence with some extra width and rocker for off-piste adventures. For length, the low to mid 150's is likely a fine zone. Have fun!
SE
You guys gave me an excellent deal on my new powder skis this last May (Unleashed 108s). I love them and your review of how they carve Super G style turns was spot on. Amazing for such a wide ski. Do you guys normally sell your demo Stockli Stormrider 95 skis at the ned of the season? If so, I will wait until April or May of 2024 to pick up the new version with slight tweaks. Also, would you choose the Enforcer 94 or the Stormrider 95 as your on piste groomer? I ski out west and I am looking for a 80% groomer ski that can ocassionally dip into the trees or make jump turns and terrain like The Cirque at the Bird or Headwaters at Big Sky.
We sell our demo skis usually the last week of February. For on-piste groomer skiing, I still think the Enforcer has a higher performance ceiling. While it's not quite as versatile, the Enforcer is a lot grippier and more confidence inspiring at speed.
Thank you. Much appreciated. I will continue to refer freinds and family to you guys for ski gear purchases@@SkiEssentials
Any chance you guys will review Peak Skis? I know they're direct to comsumer and you guys are a store but it would be interesting to hear a comparison with the Stockli.
We were close this year but ran out of time. It's on the list for sure!
I see some negative comments on Stockli because of the price point. My opinion is they are worth every penny. Ive skied an average of 100 days a year for over 10 years( 113 last year). In my 55 years of skiing I’ve tried most brands and many models, when I finally discovered Stockli about 5 years ago it was a revelation and brought new excitement to my skiing. That’s my two bits worth. One comment on the removal of the metal tail strip on the 95’s, a step backwards I think as Many times I was impressed with this strip when setting my skis down on concrete or pavement well standing or leaning them in my wall rack , and not having to worry about damage to the tail.
While skiers still can't buy nice turns, they can certainly pay for smoothness and quality!
Agreed! Not always, but often you get what you pay for. I similarly found the Stockli SR95 in 2014 via the demo guy (who knew I was a good aggressive skier in my mid 50’s), saying “You have to try these, if you don’t like em, I’ll refund your $50 demo fee for the day”. Well, I LOVED EM, 50+ years of skiing and I have never experienced such a sweet ski. I bought em 2 years later (a demo 2014 model pair I got in 2016). I STILL ski that same pair of SR 95’s, incredibly reliable! Yep, I’m ready for a new pair, they are beat to sh_t at this point, but to the folks worried abou the extra cost, how many pairs of ski’s have you bought in the last 8 seasons, and add up the cost to compare to my 1 pair. I bet I actually saved money over the 8 years. So I’m getting a new 2023/24 pair this month, keeping the old pair for spring rock days. 😊 I averaged about 20 to 30 days a year over that time, but last year did over 50, and this year likely the 100 club. BEST ALL MOUNTAIN SKI on the market by far IMO! And I’ve tried them all. I have 2 other ski’s, a powder ski (rossi Soul7 HD) and a full blown on pist ski for fun (Black Crow Mirus Cor, which is a really fun ski to ski on pist).
@Machria23 good analysis. Is unfortunately if you're a fan of the soul seven , I'd say that we don't have similar tastes. Hate that noodle. 😂😂 but doesn't mean someone else can't like it!
I prefer kastle usually
I’m liking the new top sheet on the ‘24 a lot.
Samesies! Looks super sharp in person. My only complaint is that on sunny days, it's pretty reflective!
Guys, another awesome review & another ski to put in the mix to replace the Ripstick 96 Black Edition quad. I love what you said that you don't feel almost anything under foot and that is probably so satisfying. Now that you told me about the Declivity 92ti and the Serpo how does this stack up against them. Reason for switching is the Ripstick is not as locked down in variable snow or over 50MPH as I would like because I am 215lbs. See the testers are at ABay see you tomorrow maybe? Thx
Thanks, Mark!
The Declivity is one of the only skis that I've been on that closely matches the silence and stability of the Stockli. Even other premium models like Kastle still have more of a ping to them. The Armada skis are very smooth. Serpo is awesome. It slices and dices with extra rebound to it, but isn't as locked down at speed as either Stockli or Armada. Did you see Emily?
Nope. But had a great May Day at Abasin. Might have found my Next Ski. Thx Again guys. Oh and BTW I do Love my Rustler 11 when it gets deeper and chopped up, you are spot on that's why I watch every review!
These are definitely on the short list for me. I feel at 5'9", 170 +/- lbs, intermediate to advanced (blue to easier blacks), that the 170 cm one is likely the right size. Not sure if you agree. What is the weight on the 170 cm? I'm curious how it matches up to the comparable Maverick 95 Ti. I thought I saw 1690 grams on Stockli website, which seemed a little low.
I'd say the 170 is pretty darn close to correct for your stats and application. It's a bit more flexible than the Maverick, but isn't quite as choppy--the Stockli is very smooth and sturdy, even for how light it is. I'm seeing 1690 grams as well. We don't have a ski to measure, but I'd imagine that's pretty darn close.
Thanks for the great content, as ever. Cost and weight aside, why would one choose the StormRider 95 vs the Enforcer 94? East coast charger context. Thanks guys.
The Enforcer has a bit more heft and therefore stability than the Stormrider. This puts it on a slightly different level when it comes to top-end performance. That said, the Stormrider is right there with it, and does just about everything that the Nordica does, but easier and quieter. You have to work a bit harder to get the Enforcer to do what the Stockli does, and it's louder when doing so. For charger purposes, the Nordica has a slight advantage.
@@SkiEssentials Very helpful, thank you.
Hi guys I noticed that the top titanol sheet seems to have longitudinal ridges . is that just cosmetic or a way to light the top sheet making it less stift
Just a topsheet cosmetic--no structure here.
Bob Im 260 lbs and demoed a series of skis at the end of the trip and really liked the Kore 93. The one ski I wanted to try but couldn’t arrange was the SR 95. Leaving price to one side, how does the new SR 95 compare to the Kore 93 I saw in a previous video you purchased for yourself. Would you replace you Kore with this SR?
Great question. I think if I were given the choice of one or the other I'd take the Stockli, but that in no way indicates that I feel any worse about my wonderful experience this year on Kore 93. The only reason I'd stay with the Kore is that I use it to ski with my kids, and it's lighter than the Stormrider, so it's simpler to maneuver in the trees and other tight spots where my kids like to ski. The Stockli is quiet, smooth, stable, and precise. All of these qualities apply to Kore, but in slightly less of a degree to each.
Thanks. My choice of the Kore is also kids driven in tight spots.
Im 150lbs and 5’10” and wondering bt 170 and 176. Can you please advise? Im an advanced skier (very much all mountain) but dont typically go crazy fast and only ski bt 10-15 days a year. Im 45 yo and more into enjoying the technique of making good turns. I have Kastle MX89 circa 2008 in 172cm and can find it hard to keep on edge for entire turn without going at high speeds 😅 Would appreciate your thoughts! Also, I noticed the skis are on presale on your store. When do they ship?
I'd go 170. The skis are very stable and smooth. I am 188 cm and skied the 182 with a lot of satisfaction. I think below head high is the way to go on this ski, especially if you have a focus on technique and aren't committed to high speed turns. We do have them in stock currently!
is that below head high with ski boots on or actual height? Im 178cm tall with no shoes. Yes, I have them in my cart! @@SkiEssentials
@@simoncheng3610 I generally use actual height, not with boots on for reference. Still thinking 170 is preferred.
How do these compare to the Atomic Maverick 95 Ti? I’m 5’11 mostly front side advanced intermediate skier…. What size would you recommend? I hear they ride a bit bigger?
The Stockli is incredibly smooth and quiet. The Atomic is a bit louder and more jarring. This is what you're getting with the added price. I love the Stockli, and while it's not quite as aggressively grippy as the Atomic, it's certainly more amenable to progressing intermediates. I'd go with the 176 in the Stockli.
I am narrowing down my next ski for my quiver. My frontside ski Head Magnum, excellent and use most days. What I am looking for is a wider ski for skiing Breck from the imperial lift to the whales tail and Copper union bowl to Arapaho Basin Lenawee bowl. These trails are great on a new snow day but normally get chopped up early but good snow. Looking at Stance 96, Elan 96 Blk, K2 mindbender Ti ,Stormrider 95 , hoping these ski will be strong enough to barrel through the chopped, then carve the rest of the day on the frontside . Help
The K2 has a lot to offer when it comes to blending on trail carving and chopped snow. The other skis on your list will do it as well, but aren't quite as stable or sturdy. If strength is at the top of your list, then I'd lean to the K2. Stance and Stockli are next in line with the Elan a bit flexible in the shovels, but really fun otherwise.
@@SkiEssentials Thxs guys I am getting closer , if I lived in Vermont I would demo them , but will purchase from you once I decide , you are the best on RUclips
Great review and comments. I’d love a pair. I just can’t justify the price for how often I’d ski them. Sadly. I will look for them on sale a year from now. There’s rarely many around.
In the written portion I noted that if you're planning on buying a new pair of skis and want something pricey like this, all you really have to do is not go out to dinner about 4 times and that should help offset the cost. Check the loose change jar? There are ways to make it happen!
Big fan of the Stormrider series, having owned the original 100’s. I’m pretty much set on these 95’s, my only quandary is size. I’m 5’9 and 210lbs. The Stockli website ski finder has me on the 182, but I think the 176 would a good choice as well. Can you guys offer any advice? Thanks!
I agree with you and the 176. I'm 6/2 225 and spend my time on the 182. It felt great and I don't think I'd want to go longer to the 188, even though my stats indicate I can. Fantastic skis.
I'm 210 lbs and ski the 182. It skis a lot shorter than the previous Stormrider 95
@@peterleibrock3434 I'm also 210 and 176cm tall advanced, but not expert. Which legth would you recommend for me?
Before I even start watching this I am going to say a couple things.. I have a pair of 2016 demo Stormrider 88s and I love them and I just bought a never been used pair of 2019 Stormrider 105s and I love them.... I am a little afraid of using them when the snow is deteriorating and there are rocks..
This season I demoed a pair of Stormrider 95s and they were blown out at the heal before I even got to the snow.. I returned them and they showed me another pair of 95s that were blown out at the same spot.. They also showed me a pair of 88s that were blown out at the same spot.. I also talked to a person who had the 102s and they were blown out at the same spot and could not get warrantied.. Now those might have been 2023s..
Very similar Incident happened to a friend of mine. Sounds like it's in a similar place also. He was on the 88. He was a little annoyed because they did replace the ski, But only 1 of the skis. By comparison, Another friend of mine had a similar issue with his fischers. They gave him a brand new Set and they were a year newer. No questions asked.
Stickli Customer service is pretty poor for A company that charges such a premium.
when you are talking about energy transfer as a bad thing... my Enforcer Free is that way but i have to say that those skis on slush rock... especially when there is a couple inches of slush but then it is solid underneath...
@@carterfan80 Hopefully they fixed that for the 2024s.. I still love Stockli..
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Is this Jeff niegel or jeff siegel? Wondering for weight comparison.
150 pound skier.
I participate in a ski blog and I can tell you that there are a lot of guys who really don't like the SR95 or the 88. Most of these guys are Stockli fans because of the retired Laser AX and the new Montero. It will be interesting to see if the changes change any minds.
I agree. Stockli are great on trail (lasers etc...) But Kastles are better for all mountain skiing! Imo
After skiing the AR a handful of times this year, I can definitely see it taking the 88 skier away from Stormrider and into Montero, but I think the 95 has enough to stand on its own. It's a pretty sweet ski in this zone.
If they did not like the old SR chances that they will like the new ones are minimal.
14:18 Bob said it all there. There are NO reasons to ride fat skis unless there is some fairly good amount of fresh deep snow where you ride to justify it, and even then the shape and construction should be "deep snow friendly" , not like a groomer carver/charger.
I mean, you can if you want, but it seems like the trend in the industry is skewing to the other side, especially with the growing segment of front side and carving skis.
Why did they do away with the metal ends of the tails? That's silly. Weight saving? How heavy are these? 2 grams? 5?
The plaid version of SR 95 is still the best SR.
BTW if you want to see REAL GOOD Stockli ski skip right to 25:15 in this vid. Now these are amazing! 😀
The overall weight dropped by about 75-100 grams, with some of that coming from different woods as well. Perhaps they could have kept the metal but installed the new shape/profile? Either way, these skis rip, and you are most correct about the WRT ST Pro being an amazing set of sticks.
Yes, you definitely pay for the quality with these skis.
You got that right!
I have a chance to test Montero line and Stormrider 88 here in the Switzerland and I must admit I am not impressed. Especially with SR 88. Heavy, stiff not responding skis requiring speed and weight to handle them , all not being racers same time. Very limited use in powder and less on piste for such skies. I have doubts new 96 are so different from 88 in terms of on piste behaviour. For real powder all skies under 100 are too narrow and these here seem too stiff with limited maneuverability unless you are an expert and can get any skies going. For the price they offer too little. Of note I ride Voelkl 108 off piste and slalom Dynastar skies on piste. The three I tested are big disapointment, I expected more watching your enthusiastic reviews.
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In a vacuum, the 88 is a wonderful ski. When skied back to back with the Montero AR, it gets a little more convoluted. The new 95 is pretty sweet. Feels a bit lighter than the older version with a shorter turn radius. It's an all-mountain ski, after all, so it's not really supposed to excel in one particular area, rather offer a well-rounded and versatile performance at a high level. In this regard, I do think the new ski is a success.
I asked you " what's the point of testing fat skis hard snow/carving abilities" years ago. You pretty much scoffed at me. Now you come out and comment "why even build a wide front side carver?" I agree, but I find your about face kinda funny.
Evolution, my friend! We're always learning and growing as skiers and testers. Thanks for keeping us honest and current!
Ooo! I want to share my (Jeff) thoughts too. I think it will always be worth testing wider skis on firm snow, as you can learn a lot about them on firm snow. Varying degrees of torsional stiffness in different portions of the ski, stuff like that. I hope we didn't scoff at you, but I certainly would understand pointing to that concept. But, as Bob mentioned, we're always evolving, and the entire industry is as well. More and more people gravitating towards narrower skis compared to even just a few years ago. Anyways, again, we appreciate the feedback as always!
Yes, I get testing them on hard snow to gain insight on construction and ski characteristics in general is helpful. My point at the time was who and why somebody buying a wide ski would be overly concerned with a fat ski's carving ability? And at that time it seemed carving prowess was a high priority when selecting a fat ski which didn't and still doesn't make a lot of sense to me. On the other hand everyone skis differently and likes what they like. So, if you're someone that likes fat carving skis that's perfectly fine.
not interesting in buying these stupidly overpriced "swiss made" (who really cares???) but enjoyed watching the vid... good presentation and good ski action
Me either. So I bought some cheap demos. There are f-ing sick.
There are lots of good skis in a more reasonable price range for sure. Unsurprisingly, many premium models and brands are hitting that 1K mark this year and next.
"Swiss made" means for lots of people in Europe that it's a quality product. Same thing with "Made in Austria" or Germany or France. What can you read on DPS skis ??? Made in USA. Exactly the same thing.
@@fredericjoncour3514 we are the americans don't give a damn about those tiny countries in europe. i'd rather buy skis made in ukraine for the victory
show me Europe on the map 😂