CS2 Player Wishlist: 1. We need Subtick WITH 128 Tick. 2. Better anti cheat for Matchmaking and Premier. 3. Cl_bob, Clear_Decals reintroduced. 4. Older game modes and community modes like surf reintroduced/ revamped. 5. Fix dying behind walls, rubberbanding, and the insane peekers advantage. 6. Improve Bunny hopping and movement. 7. We should always able to reconnect if network drops. 8. Fix the "XYZ" did not accept the match problem where the accept icon does not even show up. 9. We need Train, Cache, and Cobblestone back. 10. If all or most of these are met, a new operation would be awesome.
Cache will be added when FMPone is done with it no later than early 2025. I hate when people keep saying we need the map back now when valve has no control over its development.
Dota 2 had so many bugs after they switched to Source 2, and it only got better after the devs fixed the game, which took months. This isn't a source 2 issue. Its that, at a bare minimum, there is a massive disconnect between the CS devs and what the community actually wants implemented into the game. Which is a generous interpretation, given that CS2 has been out for some time now and minimal progress toward fixing the game has been made.
graphics is downgraded as hell, everything is so bright that my eyes hurt after one match, if you compare the details at old maps and new maps, you will see that old maps are much more detailed, new ones are simplified for ,,competitiveness"
graphics is downgraded as hell, everything is so bright that my eyes hurt after one match, if you compare the details at old maps and new maps, you will see that old maps are much more detailed, new ones are simplified for ,,competitiveness"
With a CRT that i tried with CS2 is even more ridiculous, i now play 1.6 because of that. I felt the lag on CS2 instantly compared to 1.6 CSGO doesn't/didn't have lag, netcode was flawless, only needed official 128 tickrate servers.
@@saricubra2867 You could run 1.6 on a potato. Coming from something that loved 1.6 & CS:GO, Comparing 1.6 lag to CS2 is simply insane lol. Obviously you're going to get more lag on CS2 than 1.6, if you are experiencing lag. I had to upgrade my PC going from CS:GO to CS2. I'm not saying that's a good thing but in order to play it, i had to upgrade. I do agree that Valve definitely needs to optimize the game in general. They still have a lot to fix. I remember when CS:GO came out, it was a shit show for years (over 3 years after release) from what i remember. CS2 was a complete shit show when it released as well, and it still has a lot to improve. I run a 4060ti & Ryzen 5600x and play 1440p, get over 250+fps and don't feel any issues with lag or rubber banding anymore, thank God. The game feels smoother than ever. I'm extremely happy on how well the game feels now.
@@tinokosova3356 I never mentioned graphics. CS2 gameplay just feels bad. CS1.6 is still the best CS game ever for multiplayer because the tickrate is tied to fps. Is not artificially locked to 64 ticks with the subtick prediction nonsense. I could set my CRT to 150Hz if i wanted and still the game feels worse than 1.6, or CSGO, or CZ, or Source... It doesn't make sense increasing Hz for a smoother motion if the game can't register that higher fluidity anyways.
@@tinokosova3356 "4060ti & Ryzen 5600x and play 1440p, get over 250+fps and don't feel any issues with lag or rubber banding anymore, thank God. " Useless +200 fps if the tickrate for CS2 is 64. Seriously, when every single community CS 1.6 server runs at 100fps or 100 ticks... Valve ruined the netcode since CS Source.
@@saricubra2867 You said ''I felt lag on CS2 instantly compared to 1.6''. I said you could play 1.6 on potato or a windows XP computer, from the early 2000's. You are literally comparing a game that came out 24 years ago, to a came that just came out 2023. No wonder you ''felt lag''. 1.6 is complete ass compared to CS2. You're stuck in the past. This is the problem with SOME of the CS community. The hate change and expect new generations to play a game that came out almost 3 decades ago. ( This is coming from someone that was obsessed with 1.6 & CSGO). Try saving some money. Upgrade your two decade old PC and give CS2 a chance again. Stop being stuck in the past. Enjoy the present and future technology.
@@noahrosen6205 Literally what you read. You cover behind the wall so that he can't see you so he can't shoot you. But the game lets him do that and you get kill unfortunately. There are many clips about this issue and it's also seen in this video if you've watched it. And he tries explain why but no explanation should be needed but a problem should be solved but valve won't do that.
@@noahrosen6205 Let's take dust2 A site, you have 150 ping and you are on site, someone is jiggling you from short with 20ms. How subtick works is that respects what high ping players see on their screen. The A player shoots (AWP) while the guy seems to be out on his screen, however at the exact same millisecond the guy took the shot, in real time, the guy jiggling was completely behind the wall. So with subtick, the guy jiggling can die while on his screen, while he is totally behind the wall, just because the high ping player could see him. It's unfair.
@@TheManInaHat Nah, supreme elite in csgo last year in its peak, plus 4000 hours played, just the game is bad, has worsened a lot and valve won't solve issues. Do you work for them to write something like that and not recognizing problems??? Also the video and hundreds videos online show it. Tough time accepting reality???
funny how this video comes out legit the day I uninstalled cs2 and I don't think I'll comeback until they fix everything wrong with the game... I miss csgo and the fact that anyone could run it.
I think the hitreg is the only thing in CS2 that actually feels better than GO. It’s nearly flawless in my experience. But other things are noticeably worse.
It's game to game for me. It is literal random weather or not my bullets are working or even if I can move properly. Some servers I'm literally getting moved and pushed around, some servers every bullet I shoot hits and I just can't die.
playing regular comp with good connection feels pretty good for me but on faceit 40+ ping everything feels god awful. i feel like i have to have like 100ms+ faster reactions to everything, like i'm sliding everywhere and the hit reg is genuinely unplayable at times
SMG's can just run and gun, let alone jumping kill you. Jumping glitches and clipping still. Peekers Advantage issues (still not as horrible as once was, atleast that 1 update was good). Bullet registry and delay inputs. Something, somewhere, Valve knows how to fix these issues. It's just when and where.
They don’t know how to fix these issues within subtick. If they just changed back to a normal tick rate it would solve a lot of the problem but they are determined to make subtick work.
It's just the fact that you can't pull spray in CS2 as efficiently that makes it a nuisance. When some one can just full sideways run and gun you with 0 counter, it depletes the skill in game.
@@kevy9680 I’m not saying your wrong I’m saying valve does not know how to fix subtick. It’s a new concept they are trying to get to work. Trust me if they knew how to fix it they would so they could sell it to other game companies.
I miss 1.6 when words like tick and hitreg were not there and if you sucked at the game you knew u sucked at the game and were not blaming it on bad hitreg and shit
@@buzzikea You can simply play 1.6... there are still many people playing it, as we speak. Valve however deleted CSGO. The legacy version is now unplayable. This is still outrageous.
the most frustrating thing about cs2 for me is how the character models fucking wobble, lean and deform when they strafe. In csgo the hitboxes was weird but at least they moved linearly. Now its so difficult to predict movement because your legs torso and head are all moving weird directions. in csgo people who practiced movement were actually hard to predict with bhops and air strafing. It was actually impressive and a respectabled skill. now it seems like every guy with A + D keys can just spam it while spraying and his body is all over the place.
this is what I've chalked up the bad "feeling" of the game up to as well, Dinks make their head jump, their player model moves way more that it did in GO. The default CT agent's head is also like one pixel tall from behind and it's not obvious what will be a headshot and what will be a chest shot. At first I thought it was first bullet inaccuracy but i'm pretty sure it's just the micro movements of the playermodel making close shots miss.
That was fixed ages ago idk what you mean, you are just saying you could counterstrafe in csgo and they fixed the player model bug. Also try aim for heads not bodies bud
Well if you spam A+D in CSGO (you can still download it) the legs also act weird after last CSGO update for movement animations. I do agree with you that in CS2 people are literally jumping side to side, but that is close to real life...
The why is ez, we as the players let valve get away with this shit for years and continue to give them millions for their damn disgusting gambling shit. It's really just disgusting
lol if the player count dropped to 100k as some sort of organized protest or smth, theyd make a blog post saying they hear the community and are all hands on deck to fix it. and then they would promptly abandon the game its not worth it to them with how much steam makes
Finally someone said it. I know love CS and I know the CS diehards are too stubborn to admit riot games and valorant do anything better than CS but how fucking hard is it to hire a community manager? The fact that CS community has gone so long without a clear line of communication with the devs is actually baffling.
But you are too harsh. Can you imagine how difficult it is for valve to add 128 tick servers and develop a proper anti cheat? Come on you know that's too much 😂 Also, somehow 128 tick was deleted from faceit so all servers run on 64 tick now (cheaper option for volvo). Welcome to the future buddy haha
but thats the thing most problems will never be solved/could instantly be solved by removing sub tick and allowing faceit to run 128tick servers. hard to say for certain since we have never been able to try out cs2 128 tick no subtick, but if u think about how tickrate works and how the subtick system works and look at all the strange issues people have it must either be the game being completely bugged or subtick/64tick making the expierence bugged.
This might have been a point in 2012, but since CSGO doesn’t exist anymore and I therefore have no current alternative, these excuses are indeed foolish!
@@timvanoers4023 128 was active on faceit for some period of time until valve stepped in and I think they hard coded the 64 tick so that faceit couldnt offer 128 tick while valve was saving money on 64 tick. If I remember correctly ppl were praising how 128 tick servers were working with subtick.
When you're getting high ranks and literally feel like you're loosing duels because of game inconsitency it gets frustrating. More frustrating than when you're a silver. Cause u get to understand whats happening in some scenario and it can happen that u die in the worst moment and lose the game cause of it. One bigg loss into an eco/force can easily result into another 1 2 round loss. And yeah. I think Rank matters in this regard..
Subtick can effect on input latency and gameplay. Compare that video on CSGO and CS2, the hit registers very different. The reason why it rubberband when you hit makes you annoyed, the client and server per tick when you got shot or you shot them. Like TF2 Natasha minigun, On hit: the target slows down
yeah well valve is most liekly not going to fix nor change the way the shitty servers work like you jst explained so i guess we just have to get used to this
The target getting slowed his down is called " aimpunch or tagging" Is not the same thing, AImpunch doesnt cause you to teleport but slow you down, Its a mechanics, IN cs2 its a bug, It teleports you when you are engaged in a duel and cause you to miss your target, If subtick its causing this then its a bad system, You cant let server decide your duels in a competitive FPS
As a CS:GO die hard fan with 3500hrs + (before CS2, currently 4209hrs) I am genuinely happy I stopped playing CS (atm) just because of all the bugs, movement issues, lags and delays that come with the game. If I was the only player playing CS I would revert to the latest version of CS:GO and continue working on it until CS2 is FULLY ready for release similar to a Rockstar mindset where I don't want to release a half ass game. Sure Source 2/CS2 is dope and smokes are cool/ skins pop more but its just not worth the mechanical downfall that CS2 did to CS:GO. I really do wish CS2 was a separate game like CS 1.6 and CS source (I did not play either of those games unfortunately)
With over 8000 hours on CS:GO, I was quite excited to hear about the "new" CS - until I played the beta. Such a mess. I don't think they can fix CS2 unless they go back to CS:GO and start CS2 from scratch.
Its so depressing man. Everything feels off. I went back to a legacy version of CSGO and played on community servers, and the difference was insane. It is crazy how quickly the muscle memory sets in and the game just feels right again. it is so snappy, and then coming back to cs2 and it feels like im playing through a remote desktop. If i was a casual person i wouldn't care, but i've set in a crazy amount of hours because i legit loved the game, it was always something i'd come back to. Now i dread opening the game. Maybe its time to return to valorant, and just deal with the ability bloat
cs2 with csgo engine would be awesome. All problems with cs2 arise from subtick system that they obviously invested a lot in and they can't just go back so we will just have to wait for them to find ways to mitigate these issues
I hate it when I jump on CS2, but randomly the jump is much lower than expected because I was "touching" the wall or a prop that I wanted to jump on. So I look like a silver trying to jump on a crate several times until it finally works as it used to back in csgo...
Oh, I laughed at a buddy the other day because of exactly what you described; he looked like a fckin silver (as in CSGO silver; ranks are a mess in CS2) 😂 Guess I have to apologize to him!
I was really hoping that on release they would at least have a working anticheat, without that it just feels like there was no point in releasing CS2 when they did. It feels like valve is just trying to get back to where they were in CSGO with the only real upgrade being that it looks nicer
I uninstalled yesterday. My last game not a single one of my teammates bought utility 1 time the entire match. Most of my teammates are filled with players with 1200+ hours who can barely get to 6 kills, trolls and griefers, or people who literally just started playing 3 weeks ago and have no clue what to do, yet they are playing premier.
@@leefswgoh7558 I have almost 400 hours so yes, I am not a great player by any means but I know how to actually play smart and not rush mid every round and every map like half of my teammates. I am top frag or 2nd on the team most of my games. Hard to gain elo when it's 5v2 after 30 seconds of almost every round.
@@leefswgoh7558 I have almost 400 hours so yes, I am not a great player by any means but I know how to actually play smart and not rush mid every round and every map like half of my teammates. I am 1st or 2nd on my team most games. Hard to gain elo when it's 5v2 after 30 seconds of almost every round.
@@fuhhkuuu3207 The thing about CS is that you can carry yourself out of that elo consistently. You might not win every game, but you can win 70% of them. Focus on taking 1v1 duels by positioning your angles, never hard swing into 2 or more crosshairs. Also look up how to throw utility on each map, you can save your dumb team by smoking mid from spawn.
i think online exp sucks, bcs of sub-tick. Still dont udetstand why we dont have atleast option to play with tick and sub system, and find out what the best. I still believe classic 128 will be enough. On CSGO there was a FPS problem, but with CS2 this is not same. U need better pc to play it, so. Also for movement and surfing there was also special tick to play on. Looks like they are hiding someting. Or just it feels like.
I feel like this video is way too tame for what it actually is. CS2 limited beta was released in september of 2023. Howcome it's been a whole year and the game is still feeling this bad, is still randomly crashing for people and it took one dev post to make people behave like it's unreasonable to expect a functional game? The CS community either lost all self respect or are extremely lenient when if this was about virtually any other game, y'all would've dropped it after 2 months max of giving it chance over chance over chance.
The problem is that there's no good alternatives. They deleted CSGO, and the alternatives to that are filled with MTXs that are *even more* predatory than lootboxes.
@@H4VOK_YT ping has nothing to do with playablness, you are facing packet loss issues, I don't. Packet loss means that not all the information is arriving to your pc so you see people teleporting. Ping means just how long it takes for you to send and receive updated packets.
I downloaded the last CSGO version last night and played a game of cache with bots, and it INSTANTLY felt SO much more crisp I don’t know how you fuck up a game so much and release it as if it is intended
somehow I always feel like I have 150 ping even when its actually just 25. Constantly dying to walls, hearing my awp shot yet the server never had it (which isnt that what subtick was supposed to fix), and getting teleported back when I get hit by an smg
Not really. The way subtick works is that the server will check what actions the client did on what specific time and then decide what happens next based on that. Your client cannot predict the future, so what happens is that you seem to be still alive on your client before you get the update from the server. In reality the guy really killed you first, it just took a while for your client to get the message. The "what you see is what you get" is poor advertisement. In terms of where you click, sure, but you are still dealing with the delay caused by the server tick rate and network latency. Now it could be my imagination, but for some reason these delays sometimes feel longer than what one would expect based on ping. Also the rubberbanding when getting tagged seems to happen much more when playing deathmatch.
Worst version of counter strike I ever had chance to play. Shots not register, Random kills, Teleport after hit, Laggy asfff, Dead after wall. No binds, Cheaters even on 2K elo+.. Is this some sort of social experiment or what?
Im 36 years old, and I have been playing my soul out with Counter-Strike my whole life, and I've been having a break now for 3 months, and this is the longest break Ive ever had (If I ever had any before). My feeling is just that Valve dosent give a shit, they dont listen to the community what they want and what they dont want. Right now, the experience is Toxicity, Cheaters, and the never ending Mirage. I hate that map so much after all this years, and getting queued on that map everytime you want to play premier makes me not wanna play it anymore. Its so sad that you really can see how the only thing Valve cares about, is how they can generate more money instead of taking care of the community. They dont give a shit if they have cheaters infecting the game, because they still getting their money, due to buying prime and such. Im just so dissapointed. They have honestly killed the game for me.
IBuyPower PC's? as both, a system integrator and computer scientist by profession and a CS player for over a decade, I have to say that this add feels like matchfixing. Not a single human on earth "loves" IBuyProblems PC's.
the wierdest thing of cs.. it feels random. youre at the target.. -0 in 0 youre hitting the left leg.... headshot some times you hit every shot you take. the match after.. no bullets connect sprays are random as hell... i think the base is great.. but it still needs a lot of work
Game is in an absolute terrible state, rampant cheating and a terrible elo system in prem. To horrible feeling gun play and movement which even makes faceit just as unenjoyable, shit sucks man honestly
@@BuTTuRzz exactly, all of this fuss abaout the sub tick system, to me personally CS:GO sucked in it's own way and tbf cs2 is almost the same! It is random like csgo in 64 tick servers, but when you go to 128 tick system, like faceit in the old days, it was very good and responsive.
@@FraxeroneMemone idk csgo was consistent the only thing that ever happened on 64 tick was i may of not hit a hs when i should of but for cs2 my movement peakers advantage flicking with the awp just the overall delay in gun fights is crazy i die behind walls when i jiggle have 0 time to react its just this whole list im 2.4k elo on faceit with 5k hours and the game just is not the same i was watching some of my old csgo clips today thinking man this stuff just isnt possible anymore its just to inconstant and random
@ghad6799 LMAO not at all. Cs source on release was terrible compared to 1.6. This just happens to every new cs release. It's gonna be odd until they fix most of the things they removed until they fix them in the new engine
it's because OW has been on a downward trend and had bad community reception for a couple years. OW at launch through seasons 3-4 might have been the best PvP game of all time (in my opinion), but that was like 1 year of OW's lifecycle. people had already been shitting on OW when OW2 came out whereas CSGO was probably the most refined it ever was when CS2 came out.
CS2's gameplay is fundamentally broken because of many reasons, but OW2 did damn near everything else wrong. Predatory monetization of cosmetics through a shit battle pass system, turning the tank role into a rock-paper-scissors battle, incompetent hero balancing that makes Riot devs look smart, Blizzard straight up lied to the playerbase about the scope of the future PvE content (which was the entire justification for OW2), and the ranked pool is infested with ximming. I won't pretend that Valve is perfect, but the issues that are ruining CS2 can actually be addressed, whereas Blizzard has managed to shoot themselves in the foot so bad that most of the issues that I've mentioned are just baked into the game and are unfixable without a major revisioning of Overwatch 2.
The biggest issue for me in cs2 is the ranking system/matchmaking. I have some friends that are pretty bad and are stuck below 5k elo. Since I’m above 10k, Valve says I am not allowed to queue with them. Fair, that makes sense from a balancing standpoint. But what isn’t fair is when people are 15k+ queuing with players below 10k, mostly around the 7 to 8k mark from my experience. It’s straight up boosting and makes me being unable to play with my friends very unfair.
@@sithlordbinks I can get that, CS is a competitive shooter first and foremost, but personally, I wouldn’t ever play it alone, so the friend thing is my top priority, but I agree it shouldn’t be Valve’s top priority.
Yep it's terrible. A 9k booster paired with 17k means I'll have a legit solo 9 or 10k on my team. Basically 4v5, guaranteed loss. Unless the boosters play like 10k's. Not to mention the elo rewards are broken. I played a game -550 / +100, thankfully won that match. Then my next match was -550 / +15. Lol I'm not even kidding. I have screenshots. The +15 is because it was for my promotion match. But I'm getting -550 each time I queue and I'm not even on a losing streak. I'm just going to end up deranking and then "smurfing" on lower ranks. Super broken ranking system in premier.
I wrote 2 full IT bug-reports, including recorded Hardware live stats and network data. I think they are not able to fix it. Hopefully they get it one day
And packet loss in this game is crazy, inconsistent. I have avg 0.5 upload packet loss, when taking gunfights it suddenly jumps to 1.0+ then after I'm dead, it return to 0.5 avg again.... Wth
I find that the larger the ping differential in a lobby the worse sub tick acts. Peaker advantage, getting shot behind cover, and all the other desync BS gets worse the larger the differential between the players interacting. I have a clip where I clearly missed both my shots on a falling target but the server registered it as a headshot somehow. We were both playing at like 70-80 ping on that server and it might be the worst desync I've seen yet.
Valve needs to get rid of this subtick thing. It sounded cool and creative at the beginning but it just doesn't work. I feel like the only thing subtick does, is creating irregularities. And we REALLY can't use such a thing in CS. Everything has to be constant and predictable so we can reach perfection. In terms of the game itself and in terms of our own gameplay.
After this last update, I've noticed I'm tagging a lot more after I shoot first. It's always I get off 3 shots that tag and they get off 5 that kill. My crosshair placement & spray feels exactly the same. I've never said "what the fuck" after dying so often lol. 4.8k hours, 20k rating, level 8 faceit.
Fix the core of this bloody game first. Its cucktick at the root of this issue. Cucktick cockblocks where you’re trying to hit, cockblocks when you’re trying to bhop, cockblocks your smooth movement. Spray feels trash with ak, only m4 feels ok which idk how its possible, it should be bad everywhere if its really that bad. If you try to bhop you get stuck to the ground after 2nd or 3rd jump with a glue or some shit. Player models are wobbly when moving and not linear like go. Some shit is always glitching and rubberbanding while moving. Doesnt feel crisp at all. All inputs from my keyboard or mouse feels jittery. Mechanics just feel off and nothing like go. You dont kill clean and you dont die clean. Feels random and lucky or unlucky but def not what’s supposed to happen according to go mechanics. Fps has gone to drain. On i712700h 3060 laptop putting out 450 fps in go to 120-160 fps on cs2 avg. what a bloody joke. Pls dont bring out bloody operation in this state of the game with cs2 cucktick. Cucktick is a task to play with not joy at all.
Ikr normal 64tick was better than subtick also for the m4 i think it feels better maybe because you're using silenced which has a tighter spread so less variance for subtick to account for.
@@H4VOK_YT could be but this just highlights the issue further. Theres much greater variance/randomness and with sudden pullback effects when killing or getting killed with guns where spread isnt as tight as m4a1s. The sound sucks too. This off feeling is such a big part of not enjoying this games mechanics. It all feels forced.
@@deep_z yea im so tired of the game haven't played since February it genuinely is borderline unplayable and my internet sucks so i have ping spikes every couple of minutes which in most games isn't too big of a problem but in cs2 my game has teammates and stuff teleporting its litterally unplayable, I litterally play overwatch now because tf2 is neglected by valve too and its amazing how even tho ow2 sucks its still better than cs2 i cant even play community servers anymore if i want to do that i play cs source. I played deadlock for a bit im not really big on MOBAs i tried it and it genuinely sucks i might try and learn it a bit since i played for an hour but deadlock genuinely just feels boring to play.
BOOSTING ON YOUR TEAMMATES HEAD IS STILL BROKEN WHY DOES NO ONE BRING THAT UP. MORE THAN HALF THE TIME I CANT BOOST ON MY TEAMMATES HEAD WITHOUT GETTING THE BOOST GLITCH ITS BEEN IN THE GAME INCE THE BETA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I cannot go a full day without getting some crazy packet loss that teleports me in a direction or makes my character do a straight up 180, it’s actually unplayable if I wasn’t addicted to playing, so I just deal with losing rounds because I get teleported out from behind cover and shit
I just had a casual match recently and for the first time, I was not killed by a grenade when I had 2 HP and it was bounced right at me. What you see, is what you might not get.
Played Cs2 for 2 hours switched to Css and it fells overall better in any way and I don't know why but looks so much better. Hope cs2 dies to get more room for a better one. "This kid pushes from ivy, out middle, through our connector like a SPEED DAEMON" ~Phoon
another annoying thing is the fact that after every update the game gets worse in terms of performance. last night was an update of 600mb to fix 2 maps (like wtf? 600mbs to fix 2 spots on 2 different maps, spots that no-one really cares about most likely) and with the updates during last month or so FPS are decreasing dramatically, used to have 500+ fps with drops to 300, now with same settings I get areas where I have 150fps (like wth, I need a NASA computer to play an FPS game in 2024? for comparison, in Valorant I have 4-500+ fps constantly, without drops) not to talk about the servers which are crazy batshiet, I press tab I have 30 ping, I move from spawn and I get dragged back just to see that I got a frame drop and lags, not to talk about the fact that while moving on the map if you hit one teammate you bounce like a basket ball hitting the ground and throws off your movement and all that. we need more performance improvement :(
lately i been teleporting like star trek, not to mention when im holding left click on my nade, all of a sudden im teleporting back with a rifle in my hand & end up shooting my teammates
When you try and jump onto something and then you stub your toe and get forced back to the ground. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to jump onto something and died because I can't jump onto a box.
Cheating and lack of asynchronous mouse inputs are huge issues. CS2 is just harder to run. They should learn from overwatch and process mouse inputs in between frames.
AS much shit that Riot gets for their terrible metas and terrible balancing of the game they at least try to listen to people a lot with monthly dev vlogs, weekly update tweets and more It´s gotten good to a point that they are actuavly updating stuff minimal stuff on champions they dont know about just cause they learn about them from those champion mains and this is the correct approach Leaving your game behind and updating it with 0 communication with the community is a terrible approach
The number one thing that is most frustrating right now ls the Confirming Match bug. You queue for a game and the status turns to confirming match (eventually, sometimes after almost 10min), and then you get the "A match was found but so and so did not accept" meanwhile the accept match dialogue box never appeared for anyone. It's really annoying
1.) the leg animation looks wierd, it’s like a puppet master is controlling them with wires. 2.) hit reg is wack just something about it that is just really frustrating. Amount of times I have shot someone and it delays and shows a hs like a second later. 3.) the amount of muzzle flash makes spraying feel off. 4.) rubber banding makes the game feel terrible. On my screen I have moved then I get pinged back somewhere else. Subtick on paper sounds good right? Trying to please everyone ends up pleasing no one. 128 tick server, low ping in csgo was perfectly fine. They got the basics wrong with cs2 the game just feels off. I used to play for hours and hours. Now I play cs2 for 30 mins and I’m like nope this sucks. 5.) peakers advantage Is absolutely dogshit. I get double dinked with an m4 before I can even begin to click. Holding angles is dogshit 6.) the smokes are way too big. In csgo if u through a random smoke or didn’t line it up there would be gaps or atleast a way to get through it. Now if u lob a smoke anywhere near a doorway, or an entrance. The whole thing is covered. No chance of getting through. So once you get in a site, plant the bomb. Cover off the entrances to the site with smokes. That’s it rounds pretty much done. Yee you can blow up and smoke with a he made. Woo. Either make smokes last less time, or make the explosion clear it for longer.
I honestly feel just 2 things can fix the game 1.AK sound 2. character sliding (you stop farther than you expect after pressing the counter strafe key)
honestly, the game feels smooth, almost fuzzy in comparison to the crisp feeling of csgo. wouldnt be surprised if a big part of it is sound design, that shit has a serious impact on the feel of the game- placebos can be strong.
Which "original" cs games felt good ? 1.6 felt horrible compared to quake and ut Css felt horrible compared to every other shooter at the time (specially cod4 promod) Csgo again felt horrible for its entire lifetime and was 100% full of cheaters (and got beat bad in numbers by every random shooter like pubg, fortnite, warzone, apex etc etc) Cs franchise has never been good, people are just delusional
the biggest thing in my opinion about why it sucks: subtick doesnt suck, they way they wanted it implemented doesnt suck, they just implemented it wrong. they actually just screwed up the implementation, and either dont have a systematic way to check if its done correctly, or they think its correct when it is not.
what's exactly wrong with the implementation and how should it be implemented? I am asking for problems code-wise not feelings-wise, same with your suggested implementation. Too many experts in comments not backing up what they say.
@@ward7576 agree that this comment is talking out of his ass but most comments i have seen is people telling what they feel and expierence is just bad, and everyone who plays it can feel it so valve must not play the game or not care idk.
I'm 100% convinced that sub tick is duplicating events in the backend. I frequently get two hits on people when I only shot one bullet. My movement often doubles. I often get hit twice by one bullet. I think this is why you could fly when running into a teammate when the game launched - the vertical movement was multiplying off of each other in the sub tick system. I can't think of any other explanation.
The thing is, subtick is flawed by design, even on paper. There is a reason why no other developers, including RIOT who made a CS competitor from scratch did not use it.
the subtick so sht I just had a gunfight and even dink the other person 3 times with an AK a fking AK and I still get 1 shotted by an mp9 with a trade stats saying 89 in 3 vs 100 in 1
That because bad interp of cs2. Csgo used to use 0.03 interp but u can change it to 0.015. cs2 feel like double csgo and dont allow you change anything
we're comparing a game on a whole new engine that's been out for a year to one that has been constantly updated for 11+ years it takes time for progress and it's much better than how it was when it first released, just like how csgo was when it first released compared to the earlier versions
I swear CS players are in an abusive relationship with Valve saying things like this lol. I swear, if this were any other company in the world, nobody would be saying anything like this. They make 50-100 million a month on cases alone, while the game is still broken. Their biggest updates are community made content, and their last operation, three years ago, was mostly community made skins. If you're going by the actual work Valve has done themselves, we've pretty much gotten mostly minor bug fixes with some modifications to sub tick over the course of an entire year. I think I'll wait for Valve's usual dev cycle, where they take 3+ years to make a game they released functional, utilizing their active players (beta testers) to slowly fix it.
shots that don't hit, bullets that don't hit you and kill you anyway, I don't know if I'll be the only one, but the Recoil feels horrible, disgusting, useless... I literally live next to servers in Spain and they still kill me after hiding. The thing about me giving you first feels too much... It feels very bad when shooting, it's like I always have LAG or something, the delay is huge, it's disgusting to play, it feels like you're playing on a shitty computer despite having a good computer, it looks like you're playing with shitty internet despite having good internet. It just feels horrible to play, it's not satisfying even to look at, because you see things that aren't and it's very frustrating, a shame, but if they don't do something, Counter Strike is the next Call of Duty, both straight to misery
Bro i just unistalled counter strike after 3500 hours lvl 10 faceit. I started valo smurfs smashing me but im still happy 😂😂❤ (hope they will do something)
Counter strike is also my preference. But I can’t waste my time waiting for them to fix their game. Just gonna play other games, and if the game gets better. Great
So can we all just agree that it's mainly a tickrate issue (subtic) mixed with some minor hitbox bugs and +10 years of playing on a different engine that makes it feel different? These 3 seem to be the main issues people seem to have a problem with.
I very much agree with your third point! People cant understand that were biased to what we were used to in CSGO, Im not saying CS2 is flawless but a new engine will definitely feel different!
CS2 Player Wishlist:
1. We need Subtick WITH 128 Tick.
2. Better anti cheat for Matchmaking and Premier.
3. Cl_bob, Clear_Decals reintroduced.
4. Older game modes and community modes like surf reintroduced/ revamped.
5. Fix dying behind walls, rubberbanding, and the insane peekers advantage.
6. Improve Bunny hopping and movement.
7. We should always able to reconnect if network drops.
8. Fix the "XYZ" did not accept the match problem where the accept icon does not even show up.
9. We need Train, Cache, and Cobblestone back.
10. If all or most of these are met, a new operation would be awesome.
11. Map Factions comeback!
@@TheMinh92amen to that brother i miss the gign and the separatists
Cache will be added when FMPone is done with it no later than early 2025. I hate when people keep saying we need the map back now when valve has no control over its development.
@@JoopiterGD My brother do you understand what a wishlist is?
I'd accept all of that besides bunny hopping
the pros really do NOT love the ibuypower pcs lmao
Kekw
Sponsor money go brrrrr
tfw even the pcs are throwing
IBP PC are only less overpriced then Ailenwere thats it
The pros actually don't care what pc is being used.
Valve took a game that people play for the feel and the gunplay and they ruined the feel and the gunplay
I don't think they tested it in an online scenario in multiple locations in the same lobby before releasing it.
@@robertheun7595a corporation worth billions of dollars. What a joke 😂😂
@samsharma3216 crazy how when companies make millions and billions they save as much of it as they possibly can instead of reaching out.
@@robertheun7595 profit over everything is their moto.
couldn't be more true
In Dota, everything got better after they switched to Source 2. In CS, they improved the graphics and ruined everything else.
Dota 2 had so many bugs after they switched to Source 2, and it only got better after the devs fixed the game, which took months. This isn't a source 2 issue. Its that, at a bare minimum, there is a massive disconnect between the CS devs and what the community actually wants implemented into the game. Which is a generous interpretation, given that CS2 has been out for some time now and minimal progress toward fixing the game has been made.
graphics is downgraded as hell, everything is so bright that my eyes hurt after one match, if you compare the details at old maps and new maps, you will see that old maps are much more detailed, new ones are simplified for ,,competitiveness"
graphics is downgraded as hell, everything is so bright that my eyes hurt after one match, if you compare the details at old maps and new maps, you will see that old maps are much more detailed, new ones are simplified for ,,competitiveness"
"Thank our friends at ibuypower" hmm not sure about that one chief.
Id rather thank titan for making my gun more expensive.
Lol
I simply don't see.. what I get.
With a CRT that i tried with CS2 is even more ridiculous, i now play 1.6 because of that. I felt the lag on CS2 instantly compared to 1.6
CSGO doesn't/didn't have lag, netcode was flawless, only needed official 128 tickrate servers.
@@saricubra2867 You could run 1.6 on a potato. Coming from something that loved 1.6 & CS:GO, Comparing 1.6 lag to CS2 is simply insane lol. Obviously you're going to get more lag on CS2 than 1.6, if you are experiencing lag.
I had to upgrade my PC going from CS:GO to CS2. I'm not saying that's a good thing but in order to play it, i had to upgrade.
I do agree that Valve definitely needs to optimize the game in general. They still have a lot to fix.
I remember when CS:GO came out, it was a shit show for years (over 3 years after release) from what i remember.
CS2 was a complete shit show when it released as well, and it still has a lot to improve.
I run a 4060ti & Ryzen 5600x and play 1440p, get over 250+fps and don't feel any issues with lag or rubber banding anymore, thank God.
The game feels smoother than ever. I'm extremely happy on how well the game feels now.
@@tinokosova3356 I never mentioned graphics. CS2 gameplay just feels bad.
CS1.6 is still the best CS game ever for multiplayer because the tickrate is tied to fps. Is not artificially locked to 64 ticks with the subtick prediction nonsense.
I could set my CRT to 150Hz if i wanted and still the game feels worse than 1.6, or CSGO, or CZ, or Source...
It doesn't make sense increasing Hz for a smoother motion if the game can't register that higher fluidity anyways.
@@tinokosova3356 "4060ti & Ryzen 5600x and play 1440p, get over 250+fps and don't feel any issues with lag or rubber banding anymore, thank God. "
Useless +200 fps if the tickrate for CS2 is 64.
Seriously, when every single community CS 1.6 server runs at 100fps or 100 ticks...
Valve ruined the netcode since CS Source.
@@saricubra2867 You said ''I felt lag on CS2 instantly compared to 1.6''. I said you could play 1.6 on potato or a windows XP computer, from the early 2000's.
You are literally comparing a game that came out 24 years ago, to a came that just came out 2023. No wonder you ''felt lag''.
1.6 is complete ass compared to CS2. You're stuck in the past. This is the problem with SOME of the CS community. The hate change and expect new generations to play a game that came out almost 3 decades ago. ( This is coming from someone that was obsessed with 1.6 & CSGO).
Try saving some money. Upgrade your two decade old PC and give CS2 a chance again. Stop being stuck in the past. Enjoy the present and future technology.
It feels terrible because:
1. It's not smooth as csgo was.
2. Kills through walls.
3. Shots not recorded.
4. Anti cheat system.
wdym kills through walls
@@noahrosen6205 Literally what you read. You cover behind the wall so that he can't see you so he can't shoot you. But the game lets him do that and you get kill unfortunately. There are many clips about this issue and it's also seen in this video if you've watched it. And he tries explain why but no explanation should be needed but a problem should be solved but valve won't do that.
@@noahrosen6205 Let's take dust2 A site, you have 150 ping and you are on site, someone is jiggling you from short with 20ms. How subtick works is that respects what high ping players see on their screen. The A player shoots (AWP) while the guy seems to be out on his screen, however at the exact same millisecond the guy took the shot, in real time, the guy jiggling was completely behind the wall. So with subtick, the guy jiggling can die while on his screen, while he is totally behind the wall, just because the high ping player could see him.
It's unfair.
Feels terrible because it soesnt feel like csgo? Yeah this sounds like a skill issue.
@@TheManInaHat Nah, supreme elite in csgo last year in its peak, plus 4000 hours played, just the game is bad, has worsened a lot and valve won't solve issues. Do you work for them to write something like that and not recognizing problems??? Also the video and hundreds videos online show it. Tough time accepting reality???
funny how this video comes out legit the day I uninstalled cs2 and I don't think I'll comeback until they fix everything wrong with the game... I miss csgo and the fact that anyone could run it.
I tie CSGO with 1.6. It's way better than Source.
maaan i loved cs source and csgo, cs2 is just dogshit
there are pros and cons to what happened but i feel in time it will balance out for everyone.
The hit registration feels horrendously bad sometimes.
try xdefiant
*most times
I think the hitreg is the only thing in CS2 that actually feels better than GO.
It’s nearly flawless in my experience. But other things are noticeably worse.
@@ProTele-ql5omi played like 4 hours of it cuz my buddy wanted to play it but that’s why i stopped. That shit is way too frustrating
@@demonicious_ Wut, no shot. Then you are lucky. Tested this by bots standing still. I was standing still, shot at its head. It went way next to it.
It's game to game for me. It is literal random weather or not my bullets are working or even if I can move properly. Some servers I'm literally getting moved and pushed around, some servers every bullet I shoot hits and I just can't die.
I’m sure the weather doesn’t mind 😉
servers are pretty shit i agree
never had that happen ever, only when i get 200 ping cuz of bad internet
It's the worst it's ever been on faceit when it comes to just straight up lagging. This doesn't include the other issues the game ha
playing regular comp with good connection feels pretty good for me but on faceit 40+ ping everything feels god awful. i feel like i have to have like 100ms+ faster reactions to everything, like i'm sliding everywhere and the hit reg is genuinely unplayable at times
SMG's can just run and gun, let alone jumping kill you. Jumping glitches and clipping still. Peekers Advantage issues (still not as horrible as once was, atleast that 1 update was good). Bullet registry and delay inputs. Something, somewhere, Valve knows how to fix these issues. It's just when and where.
They don’t know how to fix these issues within subtick. If they just changed back to a normal tick rate it would solve a lot of the problem but they are determined to make subtick work.
shitty netcode aside, you could always do it with smgs tho.
It's just the fact that you can't pull spray in CS2 as efficiently that makes it a nuisance. When some one can just full sideways run and gun you with 0 counter, it depletes the skill in game.
@@kevy9680 I’m not saying your wrong I’m saying valve does not know how to fix subtick. It’s a new concept they are trying to get to work. Trust me if they knew how to fix it they would so they could sell it to other game companies.
This was always the case, my opinion, it was even easier in CSGO
The cs burnout is unreal
poopy
not burnout the game just sucks
@@azure8676 no updates no care for the game? Anti-cheat is still a question pretty much burnout worthy.
Yeah haven’t played in 2 months when I used to play it almost every day.
@@ILikeTuwtles don’t blame ya. The whole if not a quarter of the community wants some sort of csgo port…. To go back to the original.
i miss csgo...
On another level..
who doesnt man
I miss 1.6 when words like tick and hitreg were not there and if you sucked at the game you knew u sucked at the game and were not blaming it on bad hitreg and shit
@@buzzikea You can simply play 1.6... there are still many people playing it, as we speak. Valve however deleted CSGO. The legacy version is now unplayable. This is still outrageous.
the most frustrating thing about cs2 for me is how the character models fucking wobble, lean and deform when they strafe.
In csgo the hitboxes was weird but at least they moved linearly.
Now its so difficult to predict movement because your legs torso and head are all moving weird directions.
in csgo people who practiced movement were actually hard to predict with bhops and air strafing. It was actually impressive and a respectabled skill.
now it seems like every guy with A + D keys can just spam it while spraying and his body is all over the place.
So true 😂
The Michael Jackson lean
this is what I've chalked up the bad "feeling" of the game up to as well, Dinks make their head jump, their player model moves way more that it did in GO. The default CT agent's head is also like one pixel tall from behind and it's not obvious what will be a headshot and what will be a chest shot. At first I thought it was first bullet inaccuracy but i'm pretty sure it's just the micro movements of the playermodel making close shots miss.
That was fixed ages ago idk what you mean, you are just saying you could counterstrafe in csgo and they fixed the player model bug. Also try aim for heads not bodies bud
Well if you spam A+D in CSGO (you can still download it) the legs also act weird after last CSGO update for movement animations.
I do agree with you that in CS2 people are literally jumping side to side, but that is close to real life...
The why is ez, we as the players let valve get away with this shit for years and continue to give them millions for their damn disgusting gambling shit. It's really just disgusting
lol if the player count dropped to 100k as some sort of organized protest or smth, theyd make a blog post saying they hear the community and are all hands on deck to fix it. and then they would promptly abandon the game its not worth it to them with how much steam makes
Finally someone said it. I know love CS and I know the CS diehards are too stubborn to admit riot games and valorant do anything better than CS but how fucking hard is it to hire a community manager? The fact that CS community has gone so long without a clear line of communication with the devs is actually baffling.
"Dude csgo had a poor launch, so cs2 can have one too"
Fr people think it's good for a 12 year old game to be better than a 2023 game
But you are too harsh. Can you imagine how difficult it is for valve to add 128 tick servers and develop a proper anti cheat? Come on you know that's too much 😂 Also, somehow 128 tick was deleted from faceit so all servers run on 64 tick now (cheaper option for volvo). Welcome to the future buddy haha
but thats the thing most problems will never be solved/could instantly be solved by removing sub tick and allowing faceit to run 128tick servers. hard to say for certain since we have never been able to try out cs2 128 tick no subtick, but if u think about how tickrate works and how the subtick system works and look at all the strange issues people have it must either be the game being completely bugged or subtick/64tick making the expierence bugged.
This might have been a point in 2012, but since CSGO doesn’t exist anymore and I therefore have no current alternative, these excuses are indeed foolish!
@@timvanoers4023 128 was active on faceit for some period of time until valve stepped in and I think they hard coded the 64 tick so that faceit couldnt offer 128 tick while valve was saving money on 64 tick. If I remember correctly ppl were praising how 128 tick servers were working with subtick.
Cs2 has one of the worst netcode among online shooters. And I dont think it is going to change
It's crazy how I've talked about all of this in Premier 22,000 and Faceit 10 and everybody just shit talks me like I'm an idiot.
rank doesn't mean shit in this context.
@@mustafaaydilek5142 hes probably trying to emphasize how much time or experience he has playing the game?
It’s crazy how everyone who comments is on the verge of being a pro player if it wasn’t for these dag nab problems11!!1!1!!
When you're getting high ranks and literally feel like you're loosing duels because of game inconsitency it gets frustrating. More frustrating than when you're a silver. Cause u get to understand whats happening in some scenario and it can happen that u die in the worst moment and lose the game cause of it. One bigg loss into an eco/force can easily result into another 1 2 round loss. And yeah. I think Rank matters in this regard..
Fr. Its always " skill issue" or " you re just bad" meanwhilw me knowing i would wipe the floor with them in go
Volvo managed to kill CSGO and CS2 at the same time
So many cheaters. That alone makes this game so not worth playing.
never play multiplayer on pc only on console
@@QwertzQwertz-hs5fn bro what?
@@IAmMuffin. dont play multiplayer games on pc
@@QwertzQwertz-hs5fn buy some brain bro
@@quietus5077 ohhh some angry chicken join the chat why you so angry my boi
Subtick can effect on input latency and gameplay.
Compare that video on CSGO and CS2, the hit registers very different. The reason why it rubberband when you hit makes you annoyed, the client and server per tick when you got shot or you shot them.
Like TF2 Natasha minigun, On hit: the target slows down
yeah well valve is most liekly not going to fix nor change the way the shitty servers work like you jst explained so i guess we just have to get used to this
@@Bigmac-cr1dzno we don’t. We just leave this trash game and play something else.
The target getting slowed his down is called " aimpunch or tagging" Is not the same thing, AImpunch doesnt cause you to teleport but slow you down, Its a mechanics, IN cs2 its a bug, It teleports you when you are engaged in a duel and cause you to miss your target, If subtick its causing this then its a bad system, You cant let server decide your duels in a competitive FPS
@@HappyBirthdayMrPresident yup. Bullets always slowed you in cs, no? But never rubber band till cs2
@@pR0ManiacS
Yes. In CS2 the rubberbanding is wild. They drag you to the left/right which cause much disruption while aiming
As a CS:GO die hard fan with 3500hrs + (before CS2, currently 4209hrs) I am genuinely happy I stopped playing CS (atm) just because of all the bugs, movement issues, lags and delays that come with the game. If I was the only player playing CS I would revert to the latest version of CS:GO and continue working on it until CS2 is FULLY ready for release similar to a Rockstar mindset where I don't want to release a half ass game. Sure Source 2/CS2 is dope and smokes are cool/ skins pop more but its just not worth the mechanical downfall that CS2 did to CS:GO. I really do wish CS2 was a separate game like CS 1.6 and CS source (I did not play either of those games unfortunately)
With over 8000 hours on CS:GO, I was quite excited to hear about the "new" CS - until I played the beta. Such a mess. I don't think they can fix CS2 unless they go back to CS:GO and start CS2 from scratch.
To sum it up
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think i heard it's coming end of 2025 xDD guess that fmpone guy had to make Thera first
"cs2 community, we hear you! We love this game and know you do, too. We see how large these issues have become and are working to improve things."
Valve: does jackshit
Cs2 wishlist
-bring back csgo
-bring back scaffolding ui
i just dont understand why they had to push off csgo before cs2 is even off it's beta phase..
Its so depressing man. Everything feels off. I went back to a legacy version of CSGO and played on community servers, and the difference was insane. It is crazy how quickly the muscle memory sets in and the game just feels right again. it is so snappy, and then coming back to cs2 and it feels like im playing through a remote desktop. If i was a casual person i wouldn't care, but i've set in a crazy amount of hours because i legit loved the game, it was always something i'd come back to. Now i dread opening the game.
Maybe its time to return to valorant, and just deal with the ability bloat
I’m going back to Val too brotha. Csgo was amazing
cs2 with csgo engine would be awesome. All problems with cs2 arise from subtick system that they obviously invested a lot in and they can't just go back so we will just have to wait for them to find ways to mitigate these issues
I hate it when I jump on CS2, but randomly the jump is much lower than expected because I was "touching" the wall or a prop that I wanted to jump on. So I look like a silver trying to jump on a crate several times until it finally works as it used to back in csgo...
Oh, I laughed at a buddy the other day because of exactly what you described; he looked like a fckin silver (as in CSGO silver; ranks are a mess in CS2) 😂
Guess I have to apologize to him!
@@TomJakobW CS2 silvers are insane
I was really hoping that on release they would at least have a working anticheat, without that it just feels like there was no point in releasing CS2 when they did. It feels like valve is just trying to get back to where they were in CSGO with the only real upgrade being that it looks nicer
Sub tick is poop system and we are FORCED to play that shit. Boooo
I uninstalled yesterday. My last game not a single one of my teammates bought utility 1 time the entire match. Most of my teammates are filled with players with 1200+ hours who can barely get to 6 kills, trolls and griefers, or people who literally just started playing 3 weeks ago and have no clue what to do, yet they are playing premier.
i mean... you must suck as well if you're matched with those guys. (me being one of those guys, i do buy util thouhg)
@@leefswgoh7558 I have almost 400 hours so yes, I am not a great player by any means but I know how to actually play smart and not rush mid every round and every map like half of my teammates. I am top frag or 2nd on the team most of my games. Hard to gain elo when it's 5v2 after 30 seconds of almost every round.
@@leefswgoh7558 I have almost 400 hours so yes, I am not a great player by any means but I know how to actually play smart and not rush mid every round and every map like half of my teammates. I am 1st or 2nd on my team most games. Hard to gain elo when it's 5v2 after 30 seconds of almost every round.
@@fuhhkuuu3207that’s the solo queue experience of any multiplayer game, not just counter strike. Get friends to play with.
@@fuhhkuuu3207 The thing about CS is that you can carry yourself out of that elo consistently. You might not win every game, but you can win 70% of them. Focus on taking 1v1 duels by positioning your angles, never hard swing into 2 or more crosshairs. Also look up how to throw utility on each map, you can save your dumb team by smoking mid from spawn.
all we can do is pray eventually it will be great, but right now it’s not even close
it feels like the engine is hella cpu bound... once again
i think online exp sucks, bcs of sub-tick. Still dont udetstand why we dont have atleast option to play with tick and sub system, and find out what the best. I still believe classic 128 will be enough. On CSGO there was a FPS problem, but with CS2 this is not same. U need better pc to play it, so. Also for movement and surfing there was also special tick to play on. Looks like they are hiding someting. Or just it feels like.
In CS1.6 the tickrate is tied to fps. If servers run at 100fps, they update at 100Hz.
I feel like this video is way too tame for what it actually is. CS2 limited beta was released in september of 2023. Howcome it's been a whole year and the game is still feeling this bad, is still randomly crashing for people and it took one dev post to make people behave like it's unreasonable to expect a functional game? The CS community either lost all self respect or are extremely lenient when if this was about virtually any other game, y'all would've dropped it after 2 months max of giving it chance over chance over chance.
Abusive relationship; hard to get out.
The problem is that there's no good alternatives. They deleted CSGO, and the alternatives to that are filled with MTXs that are *even more* predatory than lootboxes.
They are paid shills and put all criticism in a bag and call it "unfair" as if they had any right to decide which is valid.
At least the graphics got fixed. It looked like everything was made of plastic 9 months ago
@@Silquetoast that's what addicts say, practically infinite alternatives out there its not even an excuse.
Peeker's advantage is crazy, I play on 100ms, and since CS2 dropped, I peek AWPers like crazy and they rarely kill me.
Wtf sometimes i spike to 70ms and people are teleporting on my screen litterally unplayable
@@H4VOK_YT ping has nothing to do with playablness, you are facing packet loss issues, I don't. Packet loss means that not all the information is arriving to your pc so you see people teleporting. Ping means just how long it takes for you to send and receive updated packets.
I downloaded the last CSGO version last night and played a game of cache with bots, and it INSTANTLY felt SO much more crisp
I don’t know how you fuck up a game so much and release it as if it is intended
somehow I always feel like I have 150 ping even when its actually just 25. Constantly dying to walls, hearing my awp shot yet the server never had it (which isnt that what subtick was supposed to fix), and getting teleported back when I get hit by an smg
Not really. The way subtick works is that the server will check what actions the client did on what specific time and then decide what happens next based on that. Your client cannot predict the future, so what happens is that you seem to be still alive on your client before you get the update from the server. In reality the guy really killed you first, it just took a while for your client to get the message. The "what you see is what you get" is poor advertisement. In terms of where you click, sure, but you are still dealing with the delay caused by the server tick rate and network latency. Now it could be my imagination, but for some reason these delays sometimes feel longer than what one would expect based on ping. Also the rubberbanding when getting tagged seems to happen much more when playing deathmatch.
Worst version of counter strike I ever had chance to play. Shots not register, Random kills, Teleport after hit, Laggy asfff, Dead after wall. No binds, Cheaters even on 2K elo+.. Is this some sort of social experiment or what?
Im 36 years old, and I have been playing my soul out with Counter-Strike my whole life, and I've been having a break now for 3 months, and this is the longest break Ive ever had (If I ever had any before). My feeling is just that Valve dosent give a shit, they dont listen to the community what they want and what they dont want. Right now, the experience is Toxicity, Cheaters, and the never ending Mirage. I hate that map so much after all this years, and getting queued on that map everytime you want to play premier makes me not wanna play it anymore.
Its so sad that you really can see how the only thing Valve cares about, is how they can generate more money instead of taking care of the community. They dont give a shit if they have cheaters infecting the game, because they still getting their money, due to buying prime and such. Im just so dissapointed. They have honestly killed the game for me.
IBuyPower PC's? as both, a system integrator and computer scientist by profession and a CS player for over a decade, I have to say that this add feels like matchfixing.
Not a single human on earth "loves" IBuyProblems PC's.
Repairshops and third party PC support services do! 😁
*the greatest technician that's ever lived*
imagine how bad all of that is for the avg player, while having 70+ ping
Randomly turning 180 or 90 degrees is annoying asf when u have a dropped packet
the wierdest thing of cs.. it feels random.
youre at the target.. -0 in 0
youre hitting the left leg.... headshot
some times you hit every shot you take. the match after.. no bullets connect
sprays are random as hell...
i think the base is great.. but it still needs a lot of work
To be fair. I've had all these exact issues on CSGO in matchmaking. The only good way to play was 128tick servers
Game is in an absolute terrible state, rampant cheating and a terrible elo system in prem. To horrible feeling gun play and movement which even makes faceit just as unenjoyable, shit sucks man honestly
@@BuTTuRzz exactly, all of this fuss abaout the sub tick system, to me personally CS:GO sucked in it's own way and tbf cs2 is almost the same!
It is random like csgo in 64 tick servers, but when you go to 128 tick system, like faceit in the old days, it was very good and responsive.
@@FraxeroneMemone idk csgo was consistent the only thing that ever happened on 64 tick was i may of not hit a hs when i should of but for cs2 my movement peakers advantage flicking with the awp just the overall delay in gun fights is crazy i die behind walls when i jiggle have 0 time to react its just this whole list im 2.4k elo on faceit with 5k hours and the game just is not the same i was watching some of my old csgo clips today thinking man this stuff just isnt possible anymore its just to inconstant and random
I wish they didn’t replace csgo with cs2 😢
Why they didn't leave it available to play like all the other versions of CS is a mystery.
I hate the hit reg so much. It makes me so frustrated and awping feels impossible consistently
Going from csgo to cs2 felt like going from 1.6 to source back in the day.
Difference is they fixed it then
@ghad6799 LMAO not at all. Cs source on release was terrible compared to 1.6. This just happens to every new cs release. It's gonna be odd until they fix most of the things they removed until they fix them in the new engine
@@Johm2255 no.
@@zgaminggallery9910 yes.
@@Johm2255 they can't fix subtick, you will always rubberband back out from cover.
People shat on overwatch 2 for so much less than this. Csgo removal was evil.
it's because OW has been on a downward trend and had bad community reception for a couple years. OW at launch through seasons 3-4 might have been the best PvP game of all time (in my opinion), but that was like 1 year of OW's lifecycle. people had already been shitting on OW when OW2 came out whereas CSGO was probably the most refined it ever was when CS2 came out.
CS2's gameplay is fundamentally broken because of many reasons, but OW2 did damn near everything else wrong. Predatory monetization of cosmetics through a shit battle pass system, turning the tank role into a rock-paper-scissors battle, incompetent hero balancing that makes Riot devs look smart, Blizzard straight up lied to the playerbase about the scope of the future PvE content (which was the entire justification for OW2), and the ranked pool is infested with ximming. I won't pretend that Valve is perfect, but the issues that are ruining CS2 can actually be addressed, whereas Blizzard has managed to shoot themselves in the foot so bad that most of the issues that I've mentioned are just baked into the game and are unfixable without a major revisioning of Overwatch 2.
Playing an average cs2 match feels like playing a csgo match with 90-100 ping.
The biggest issue for me in cs2 is the ranking system/matchmaking. I have some friends that are pretty bad and are stuck below 5k elo. Since I’m above 10k, Valve says I am not allowed to queue with them. Fair, that makes sense from a balancing standpoint. But what isn’t fair is when people are 15k+ queuing with players below 10k, mostly around the 7 to 8k mark from my experience. It’s straight up boosting and makes me being unable to play with my friends very unfair.
I think gameplay is worse but yeha good point
@@sithlordbinks I can get that, CS is a competitive shooter first and foremost, but personally, I wouldn’t ever play it alone, so the friend thing is my top priority, but I agree it shouldn’t be Valve’s top priority.
Yep it's terrible. A 9k booster paired with 17k means I'll have a legit solo 9 or 10k on my team. Basically 4v5, guaranteed loss. Unless the boosters play like 10k's.
Not to mention the elo rewards are broken. I played a game -550 / +100, thankfully won that match. Then my next match was -550 / +15. Lol I'm not even kidding. I have screenshots. The +15 is because it was for my promotion match. But I'm getting -550 each time I queue and I'm not even on a losing streak. I'm just going to end up deranking and then "smurfing" on lower ranks. Super broken ranking system in premier.
@@ljunderground glad to hear I’m not alone on this.
@@ljunderground-550 is insane. Meanwhile, +350 is the most you can get from a win.
I wrote 2 full IT bug-reports, including recorded Hardware live stats and network data. I think they are not able to fix it. Hopefully they get it one day
And packet loss in this game is crazy, inconsistent. I have avg 0.5 upload packet loss, when taking gunfights it suddenly jumps to 1.0+ then after I'm dead, it return to 0.5 avg again.... Wth
Thats your fault though. Packet loss has nothing to do with the game. They use same server location as always and nobody else has this issue
@@fnutek3720 my fault??? My fault for playing this game? Damnnn logic -100
@@fnutek3720 Nobody else? Dude, a shit ton of people are complaining about the random packet loss we suddenly started getting these past updates
@@LshowKnows you are the first 2 ive ever seen be stupid enough to blame your packet loss on the new game/servers.
Do you know that the rubberband effect is cause the packet loss???
I find that the larger the ping differential in a lobby the worse sub tick acts. Peaker advantage, getting shot behind cover, and all the other desync BS gets worse the larger the differential between the players interacting. I have a clip where I clearly missed both my shots on a falling target but the server registered it as a headshot somehow. We were both playing at like 70-80 ping on that server and it might be the worst desync I've seen yet.
Valve needs to get rid of this subtick thing. It sounded cool and creative at the beginning but it just doesn't work. I feel like the only thing subtick does, is creating irregularities. And we REALLY can't use such a thing in CS. Everything has to be constant and predictable so we can reach perfection. In terms of the game itself and in terms of our own gameplay.
After this last update, I've noticed I'm tagging a lot more after I shoot first. It's always I get off 3 shots that tag and they get off 5 that kill. My crosshair placement & spray feels exactly the same.
I've never said "what the fuck" after dying so often lol.
4.8k hours, 20k rating, level 8 faceit.
Fix the core of this bloody game first. Its cucktick at the root of this issue. Cucktick cockblocks where you’re trying to hit, cockblocks when you’re trying to bhop, cockblocks your smooth movement. Spray feels trash with ak, only m4 feels ok which idk how its possible, it should be bad everywhere if its really that bad. If you try to bhop you get stuck to the ground after 2nd or 3rd jump with a glue or some shit. Player models are wobbly when moving and not linear like go. Some shit is always glitching and rubberbanding while moving. Doesnt feel crisp at all. All inputs from my keyboard or mouse feels jittery. Mechanics just feel off and nothing like go. You dont kill clean and you dont die clean. Feels random and lucky or unlucky but def not what’s supposed to happen according to go mechanics. Fps has gone to drain. On i712700h 3060 laptop putting out 450 fps in go to 120-160 fps on cs2 avg. what a bloody joke. Pls dont bring out bloody operation in this state of the game with cs2 cucktick. Cucktick is a task to play with not joy at all.
Ikr normal 64tick was better than subtick also for the m4 i think it feels better maybe because you're using silenced which has a tighter spread so less variance for subtick to account for.
@@H4VOK_YT could be but this just highlights the issue further. Theres much greater variance/randomness and with sudden pullback effects when killing or getting killed with guns where spread isnt as tight as m4a1s. The sound sucks too. This off feeling is such a big part of not enjoying this games mechanics. It all feels forced.
@@deep_z yea im so tired of the game haven't played since February it genuinely is borderline unplayable and my internet sucks so i have ping spikes every couple of minutes which in most games isn't too big of a problem but in cs2 my game has teammates and stuff teleporting its litterally unplayable, I litterally play overwatch now because tf2 is neglected by valve too and its amazing how even tho ow2 sucks its still better than cs2 i cant even play community servers anymore if i want to do that i play cs source.
I played deadlock for a bit im not really big on MOBAs i tried it and it genuinely sucks i might try and learn it a bit since i played for an hour but deadlock genuinely just feels boring to play.
Csgo just feel so much smoother and crisp. I just miss that feeling, dont rly know how to explain it
crispy feel of a kill is gone
its lagging input lag
and sprays are more like valorant
BOOSTING ON YOUR TEAMMATES HEAD IS STILL BROKEN WHY DOES NO ONE BRING THAT UP. MORE THAN HALF THE TIME I CANT BOOST ON MY TEAMMATES HEAD WITHOUT GETTING THE BOOST GLITCH ITS BEEN IN THE GAME INCE THE BETA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
y u trynna bust on your teammate's head though?
@@leefswgoh7558Also can be used to peek over some places.
Getting shot when i am behind a wall at least 1 time a match
Skill issue detected
Btw cs players wanted source 2 this much...... You got what u wanted.
I just don't understand why they would remove the spray patterns..or touch them at all..
The hitreg is garbage
I cannot go a full day without getting some crazy packet loss that teleports me in a direction or makes my character do a straight up 180, it’s actually unplayable if I wasn’t addicted to playing, so I just deal with losing rounds because I get teleported out from behind cover and shit
I just had a casual match recently and for the first time, I was not killed by a grenade when I had 2 HP and it was bounced right at me.
What you see, is what you might not get.
i had 30 ping in cs2, jiggled, one tapped someone, went back behind cover, and complained they didnt die. while i was mid complaining they died
I'm facing huge rubberbanding and packet loss recently, trash game stopped playing
Played Cs2 for 2 hours switched to Css and it fells overall better in any way and I don't know why but looks so much better. Hope cs2 dies to get more room for a better one.
"This kid pushes from ivy, out middle, through our connector like a SPEED DAEMON" ~Phoon
4:58 EXACTLY. THEY RUNNING HIT ME IN THE BODY AND I'M INSTANTLY DEAD.
another annoying thing is the fact that after every update the game gets worse in terms of performance. last night was an update of 600mb to fix 2 maps (like wtf? 600mbs to fix 2 spots on 2 different maps, spots that no-one really cares about most likely) and with the updates during last month or so FPS are decreasing dramatically, used to have 500+ fps with drops to 300, now with same settings I get areas where I have 150fps (like wth, I need a NASA computer to play an FPS game in 2024? for comparison, in Valorant I have 4-500+ fps constantly, without drops) not to talk about the servers which are crazy batshiet, I press tab I have 30 ping, I move from spawn and I get dragged back just to see that I got a frame drop and lags, not to talk about the fact that while moving on the map if you hit one teammate you bounce like a basket ball hitting the ground and throws off your movement and all that. we need more performance improvement :(
I agree with you word by word. However just FYI, map updates require the whole map to be downloaded again therefore the size.
tf2 fans when they see cs fans complain about lack of communication: first time?
lately i been teleporting like star trek, not to mention when im holding left click on my nade, all of a sudden im teleporting back with a rifle in my hand & end up shooting my teammates
When you try and jump onto something and then you stub your toe and get forced back to the ground. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to jump onto something and died because I can't jump onto a box.
Shots I should miss end up hitting, which doesn't feel satisfying. Shots I should hit end up missing, which doesn't feel satisfying.
Cheating and lack of asynchronous mouse inputs are huge issues. CS2 is just harder to run. They should learn from overwatch and process mouse inputs in between frames.
AS much shit that Riot gets for their terrible metas and terrible balancing of the game they at least try to listen to people a lot with monthly dev vlogs, weekly update tweets and more
It´s gotten good to a point that they are actuavly updating stuff minimal stuff on champions they dont know about just cause they learn about them from those champion mains and this is the correct approach
Leaving your game behind and updating it with 0 communication with the community is a terrible approach
Spot on but some of these comments just don’t hear you out
The number one thing that is most frustrating right now ls the Confirming Match bug. You queue for a game and the status turns to confirming match (eventually, sometimes after almost 10min), and then you get the "A match was found but so and so did not accept" meanwhile the accept match dialogue box never appeared for anyone. It's really annoying
Where did you get the DMC shirt?
1.) the leg animation looks wierd, it’s like a puppet master is controlling them with wires.
2.) hit reg is wack just something about it that is just really frustrating. Amount of times I have shot someone and it delays and shows a hs like a second later.
3.) the amount of muzzle flash makes spraying feel off.
4.) rubber banding makes the game feel terrible. On my screen I have moved then I get pinged back somewhere else.
Subtick on paper sounds good right? Trying to please everyone ends up pleasing no one.
128 tick server, low ping in csgo was perfectly fine. They got the basics wrong with cs2 the game just feels off.
I used to play for hours and hours. Now I play cs2 for 30 mins and I’m like nope this sucks.
5.) peakers advantage Is absolutely dogshit. I get double dinked with an m4 before I can even begin to click. Holding angles is dogshit
6.) the smokes are way too big. In csgo if u through a random smoke or didn’t line it up there would be gaps or atleast a way to get through it. Now if u lob a smoke anywhere near a doorway, or an entrance. The whole thing is covered. No chance of getting through. So once you get in a site, plant the bomb. Cover off the entrances to the site with smokes. That’s it rounds pretty much done. Yee you can blow up and smoke with a he made. Woo. Either make smokes last less time, or make the explosion clear it for longer.
Wasn't ibp banned for matchfixing?
Valve prioritizes math over user experience, like a bunch of nerds.
Gaben is definitely cooking the next update guys!
Gaben has 4.1 billion dollars. He dont give af 😢
cope hard
Gaben Is cooking and cooking and cooking but have nothing to show for
Valve rather sink millions to do anything else except simply running the game on 128 tick servers.
Justice for loba
So this stutter shit going on isn’t just me? I’ve tried every setting possibly to try and fix and nothing works
input lag and delay and sprays so baddd
I honestly feel just 2 things can fix the game
1.AK sound
2. character sliding (you stop farther than you expect after pressing the counter strafe key)
Not only the AK, the Glock also sound pretty bad
But you're right ak sounds like an old motorbike engine starting up
honestly, the game feels smooth, almost fuzzy in comparison to the crisp feeling of csgo. wouldnt be surprised if a big part of it is sound design, that shit has a serious impact on the feel of the game- placebos can be strong.
The graphics weren’t and engine upgrade weren’t worth the trade offs and in my opinion the old graphics were better suiting for the game
I still remember how good the original CS games felt, especially on Windows XP without all the bloat. Peak flow state.
The Golden Age of Gaming.
Which "original" cs games felt good ?
1.6 felt horrible compared to quake and ut
Css felt horrible compared to every other shooter at the time (specially cod4 promod)
Csgo again felt horrible for its entire lifetime and was 100% full of cheaters (and got beat bad in numbers by every random shooter like pubg, fortnite, warzone, apex etc etc)
Cs franchise has never been good, people are just delusional
can we get the csgo ak sound back at least
the biggest thing in my opinion about why it sucks: subtick doesnt suck, they way they wanted it implemented doesnt suck, they just implemented it wrong. they actually just screwed up the implementation, and either dont have a systematic way to check if its done correctly, or they think its correct when it is not.
what's exactly wrong with the implementation and how should it be implemented? I am asking for problems code-wise not feelings-wise, same with your suggested implementation.
Too many experts in comments not backing up what they say.
@@ward7576 agree that this comment is talking out of his ass but most comments i have seen is people telling what they feel and expierence is just bad, and everyone who plays it can feel it so valve must not play the game or not care idk.
I'm 100% convinced that sub tick is duplicating events in the backend. I frequently get two hits on people when I only shot one bullet. My movement often doubles. I often get hit twice by one bullet. I think this is why you could fly when running into a teammate when the game launched - the vertical movement was multiplying off of each other in the sub tick system. I can't think of any other explanation.
The thing is, subtick is flawed by design, even on paper. There is a reason why no other developers, including RIOT who made a CS competitor from scratch did not use it.
it's ok, the gambling simulator can die. we will go back to 1.6. nature is healing.
To me I just got used to it but bigger things like anti-cheat, match making and new content (new game modes, maps and an operation) would matter more.
that's because you're a low ranked player
my biggest issue with cs2 is the inconsistency. i feel like the same inputs can return multiple outputs.
the subtick so sht I just had a gunfight and even dink the other person 3 times with an AK a fking AK and I still get 1 shotted by an mp9
with a trade stats saying 89 in 3 vs 100 in 1
Buy head armor lol
dinked 3 times with an AK? no offense, but that just sounds like a blatant lie. lol
That because bad interp of cs2. Csgo used to use 0.03 interp but u can change it to 0.015. cs2 feel like double csgo and dont allow you change anything
we're comparing a game on a whole new engine that's been out for a year to one that has been constantly updated for 11+ years
it takes time for progress and it's much better than how it was when it first released, just like how csgo was when it first released compared to the earlier versions
cope
That was in 2012 it’s 2024 dude
I swear CS players are in an abusive relationship with Valve saying things like this lol. I swear, if this were any other company in the world, nobody would be saying anything like this. They make 50-100 million a month on cases alone, while the game is still broken. Their biggest updates are community made content, and their last operation, three years ago, was mostly community made skins. If you're going by the actual work Valve has done themselves, we've pretty much gotten mostly minor bug fixes with some modifications to sub tick over the course of an entire year. I think I'll wait for Valve's usual dev cycle, where they take 3+ years to make a game they released functional, utilizing their active players (beta testers) to slowly fix it.
shots that don't hit, bullets that don't hit you and kill you anyway, I don't know if I'll be the only one, but the Recoil feels horrible, disgusting, useless... I literally live next to servers in Spain and they still kill me after hiding. The thing about me giving you first feels too much... It feels very bad when shooting, it's like I always have LAG or something, the delay is huge, it's disgusting to play, it feels like you're playing on a shitty computer despite having a good computer, it looks like you're playing with shitty internet despite having good internet. It just feels horrible to play, it's not satisfying even to look at, because you see things that aren't and it's very frustrating, a shame, but if they don't do something, Counter Strike is the next Call of Duty, both straight to misery
i play valo but definitely would like to play cs2 just for the raw mechanics but im too old for cheaters/bad coding...
Bro i just unistalled counter strike after 3500 hours lvl 10 faceit. I started valo smurfs smashing me but im still happy 😂😂❤ (hope they will do something)
Same
Counter strike is also my preference. But I can’t waste my time waiting for them to fix their game. Just gonna play other games, and if the game gets better. Great
So can we all just agree that it's mainly a tickrate issue (subtic) mixed with some minor hitbox bugs and +10 years of playing on a different engine that makes it feel different?
These 3 seem to be the main issues people seem to have a problem with.
I very much agree with your third point! People cant understand that were biased to what we were used to in CSGO, Im not saying CS2 is flawless but a new engine will definitely feel different!