Here's the thing nobody seems to consider. If Mahomes goes to Chicago, Cleveland, or especially the Jets, he doesn't have near the success that he's had. Andy Reid was the perfect coach for him & the Chiefs are the perfect organization. He came into a situation with Kelce, and Tyreek Hill, and a pass happy head coach who is one of the best ever at drawing up creative plays.
I think that he would be great with Cleveland, they still go to the playoffs with okay QB, but Chicago is a shit hole ( at least offensively, some year they have a good defense)
I think Mahomes probably needs to consider leaving KC, sooner rather than later. KCs passing options and runners are no longer as dominant as they once were. If he wants to stay in KC and beat Brady's record, for franchise wins and SB wins, then Reid needs to get him more weapons soon, maybe via restructuring to get Mike Evans to start as a deep option to complement Kelce.
@@time391 lol I don't think he worried about beating brady record. and I'm sure Mahomes never would leave KC. if I was him, I be happy with them 3 Superbowl's win. not many qb's won 3 Superbowl's, I think it funny some NFL fans thinks NFL is john madden football video game. dude that has to be one of dumbest comment I ever see saying Mahomes need to leave KC . what a troll you are
If the Bears had picked Mahomes, Mahomes would probably have been a bust. It's a 50-50 shot at best if any player drafted by the Bears or Browns is ruined by those franchises' large degree of incompetence.
It all depends on who is running what. They might be able to throw a wet piss blanket on the fire, like they did with my Lions when Stafford and Calvin Johnson were both there for fk sake. Imagine Dan “Gamble” Campbell coaching with those 2 on the team. And FYI, we fkn love Campbell, I have no problem with his play calling vs 49ers. I have a problem with the D-secondary full of more holes than a Super 8 full of crack hoars on a Friday night. But yeah, Mahomes went to the right place for sure.
Your saying “mahomes would have been a bust on the bears” 😢to make you feel better since yall drafted Mitch TruBUSTky instead of mahomes🤣🤣!! Whatever make you feel better
Fun Fact, the chiefs actually picked up John Ross in the off season last year for camp to compete for a roster spot. he lasted about 2 days in the missouri heat and an andy reid training camp then retired.
What you said about fournette feeling like he’s been around forever was so accurate had to give this a like haha I was thinking that right when you said that
I feel like Andy Reid was/is the only coach that could handle Mahomes’ abilities and unique play style. Mahomes has changed the game for QBs and I think other organizations didn’t touch him because they didn’t know how to work with such a rare and raw talent. Andy Reid is perfect for Mahomes and Mahomes is perfect for Andy Reid because Andy can literally draw up ANYTHING and Mahomes can do it. Most QBs can’t do what Mahomes does.
It's funny because right when you were saying it seems like Fournette was drafted 10 years ago, I was JUST thinking "damn how long has Fournette been around?" 😂 love the videos!
He thinks about Fournette the opposite way I think about Ryan Tannehill, who apparently spent 7 years with the Dolphins? I could've sworn he was traded to Tennessee when he was still on his rookie deal.
I’m glad you addressed mahomes not being a perfect prospect at the time because it is so annoying to see people talk about teams passing on him like it was insane at the time. Mahomes is clearly an immensly talented qb, but being drafted by Reid and being able to learn from a qb like Alex smith was obviously helpful to his development. Sometimes a player is just drafted to the perfect situation and lives up to the hype. That’s how you get mahomes type guys.
AGREED. I mean, deadass, his draft comparison from Lance Zerlein was JAY CUTLER! Patrick Mahomes so exceeded expectations that for the last several years, teams have overcorrected and taken guys who are big time projects very high hoping to catch lightning in a bottle like the chiefs did. I mean, freaking Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, even Kyler Murray and Josh Allen. Guys who would've normally had huge red flags were seen as, "well, if this guy pops, he could have Mahomes like talent."
@@KuroiRenge both were enormous gambles but, there had already been talks around the league about Mahomes all off-season before he would start. Really, he was getting good press the moment he got in the building. I still remember hearing about him throwing 70 yards from his knees in his rookie camp and people being floored by how that's even possible for someone to do
Of all picks, the Bears' was definitely the most stupid, not only because they drafted Trubisky, but because they gave up a shitload of draft picks to trade up a measly single spot despite it being obvious that the 49ers would never have picked him. And your assessment of Jamal Adams is 100 percent correct.
when that draft happens, I didn't understand why bears did that. unless bears were worried about some other team going to trade up and draft Trubisky, my cousin been a 49ers fan since 80's and i was watching draft with him, my cousin didn't understand either. this is why bears is bad cuz they have a moron GM and bears are like NY giants both teams can't draft.
Mahomes is an unprecedented talent that inherited an unprecedented situation. Mahomes may have been a bust had he gone to a terrible team and been forced to play early. So much about being a good QB consistently is team and culture fit, and downright good fortune. He was the right QB at the right time for the Chiefs. To say he would be the same player regardless of where he went is to reduce the NFL to Madden - a collection of robots programmed with specific finite inputs. Anyone that's over the age of 12 understands these are humans and their abilities are fluid as are the dynamics of any given team. That being said, it was also an incredibly big risk and some would say even a reach for KC to trade up and take Mahomes at 10. Many teams had labeled him as a risky gunslinger that would constantly turn the ball over. Only a coach and administration as well-established as the Chiefs could've made that move with confidence.
But the gunslinger label never fit, as he didn’t throw a lot of pucks in college, despite his horrible defense placing him in a position where he had to play from behind & throw constantly. As a Chiefs fan, I was a little nervous when they took him, but once I looked at his highlights & his numbers, I had very little doubts. I started wondering how other teams couldn’t see it. Seemed like a relatively small amount of research to find that stuff out, especially if you’re a GM getting paid hundreds of thousands (or millions) of dollars a year.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 Yeah. This is so easy to see I can't imagine how GMs get paid millions and hire so many scouts to do their jobs when any Tom, Dick and Harry can spot talent from a mile away.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 Yeah, whatever. Like you could tell once you saw his highlights and numbers. Every year people come out with better stats and highlights (Mariota, anyone?) and they flame out in the NFL. You didn't know shit. This is all revisionist lies.
@@Biff-fm1mh I don’t need to be a clairvoyant to know that every one of these teams wishes they would have drafted Mahomes. But, whatever makes you feel better about it you are free to believe it.
your statement is wrong and also correct. Most of the team, especially the bears, wish they took him. He would have made a positive impact anywhere...but the Lions, Pathers, Bears and jets would have probably squandered much of his talent and he wouldn't be anything with them. Also, Seeing how things turned out, I wouldn't have taken mahomes either. McCaffery was clearly the correct pick. @@b1foschiefs
@@Lexidezi225 that more of an indictment on the coaching staff than anything else. Josh has always done whats needed to beat KC. Coaching routinely lets him down. The Curse of Mahomes is real.
Hopefully, THE BEARS 🐻 🧸 don't make the same mistake again in this 2024 Draft , and instead TRADE DOWN 👇, and let some other SUCKER take the USC ( O.J.U./L.A. SLASHER🔪🗣️ "university" ) QB🏈 ...
And history is about to repeat itself in Chicago. Fields isn't the problem there and they should do one of the following. Trade that first pick and load up with extra picks Or Get rid of the coach and ownership. They're not close to competing anytime soon in all they're going to do with Fields is trade one rookie quarterback for a new one I'd stick with Fields. There's enough quarterbacks coming out this year that they can get one later in the first or second round. Justin Fields is hardly the only problem in Chicago. I would stick with him and draft a RB or Receiver I would trade down by two positions and take Marvin Harrison Jr instead of a QB
Bears GM Ryan Pace got his pocket picked by the 49ers who told the young Bears GM they had another call from a team looking to trade up ! So our wonderful GM traded 4 picks to move up one place in the draft. Of course he had to take Mitch Trubisky instead of Patrick Mahomes ! Funny how things played out & Trubisky is just a backup QB barely hanging on.
You know, something people often miss is how perfectly Mahomes fits with the Chiefs. If he were to move to teams like Chicago, Cleveland, or especially the Jets, he just wouldn't achieve the same level of success he's had here. Andy Reid has been the ideal coach for him, and the Chiefs organization really supports his talents. Plus, Mahomes benefits from playing alongside greats like Kelce and Tyreek Hill, and having a head coach who's amazing at designing creative, pass-focused plays. All these factors together create the perfect environment for him to thrive.
What is wild is the stories behind Chicago passing on Mahomes is pretty crazy. The GM then based one factor on the vehicle Trubisky drove and raved how humble it was. Leading into the draft Steve Maricucci had a deal on NFL network. It’s on RUclips where he looked at top QBs. Trubisky obviously was tops. But a guy high on draft boards ranked then over Mahomes was Kizer. New Orleans was gonna select Mahomes. Sean Payton had him as his top pick then. But once Reid selected Mahomes they went defense.
Statistically speaking, he's far and away the best quarterback the Bears have ever had. Which is kind of sad, but they have a history of building a strong defense rather than a strong offense.
@@dfp_01 Yeah that is what makes it even worse. The only QBs I really remember for the Bears are McMahon, Tomczak, Trubisky, who if you ask me in 20 years I would have forgotten if he was not tied to Mahomes, and Fields. Your comment made me curious about the Bears QBs and looked some numbers up.. I had forgotten Doug Flutie even played for the Bears.
Watch "the brady 6" here on youtube, that was made back when Brady had only 3 rings, but long story short there were 6 qbs picked before Brady, so he went ahead and won a ring for each of them 😂
@funtyes1970 Alex was a Chief three seasons prior to this draft. In 2017, the 49ers started the season with Brian Hoyer as their QB. They definitely needed to be in the market.
@LABoutaBagDoe That definitely is not McCaffery's fault he doesn't have any rings. Just like Mahomes had the good fortune of being picked up by Andy Reid, McCaffery had the bad misfortune of being picked up by Ron Rivera and the Carolina Panthers. McCaffery since being traded to San Francisco has made the NFC Championship game and now the Super Bowl. I think he's doing just fine......
They'd be going for the 6-peat now. Shanahan has dragged a bunch of half-arse QBs to NFC title games and Super Bowls. With Mahomes, they'd be 17-0 most seasons.
The fact that Fornette hasn't been in the league that long feels wrong. Like it really does seem dude was in the league around the same time as the Legion of Boom. Idk why but yeah it's weird he's as young as he is somehow lol
In the future, I think we'll be talking about "All Pro" rather than Pro Bowls as accolades when discussing if a player's career was a success. Cuz Derek Carr made the Pro Bowl last year. Mitch Trubisky made the Pro Bowl once. Geno Smith and Baker Mayfield made it this year. Mac Jones made the Pro Bowl 3 years ago. It's mostly from all the top stars opting out, and it gets down to decent players only, not pro bowlers.
Great video and Idea. Just proves hindsight is always 20/20. Mahomes had a lower combine score than the players selected ahead of him. Also you can't imagine what each team would be if they selected Mahomes earlier. All their other picks years and moves after would be different. Its not like if the 49ers took Mahomes they would have CMC, Samuel, Aiyuk and Kittle as weapons. The team would be completely different.
Mitchell Trubisky just got released by the Steelers. Anyone would be pleased to have a Christian McCaffrey who arguably may be the best football player in the NFL, but to build a franchise around a running back; a position that on average lasts 5-7 years vs a QB who could play for twice that long or more seems to be a no-brainer.
Given what we know about their careers now and how they turned out. I'd probably pick Mahomes as the guy to build my team around. It's harder to find an elite-level QB than it is a RB and they make a bigger difference in the game. CMC is a generational RB talent but I think QB is just overall a more important position and they also generally have longer careers. Both are great options though
Mahomes wasn’t put in a position to save the franchise as he sat as a backup his rookie season. The chiefs was only a Qb away from being Super Bowl contenders. Teams drafting top 5 have needs almost everywhere so it’s not like any team that drafted Mahomes would have been superbowl contenders and that’s not true whatsoever
Elite quarterbacks with generational talent coming out of college are a dime a dozen. That's why we have so many busts. On the other hand, HoF QBs that were drafted low or went undrafted, those are the true diamonds. Name me 10 that went past the 5th and I'll be waiting forever.
Patrick's career is fantastic, stop trying to understand or decipher it, enjoy it, he is different, a crack, an outstanding athlete, the fact that he was the pick 10 makes him even more incredible because of his fighting ability. Television journalists often make malicious comments on purpose because they have interests
Mahomes on the bears would've failed. Ppl seem to forget mahomes was a project and sat an entire yr developing and learning. If he was thrown into the bears system he'd of been a bust
Mahomes might not be the rising legend he is today if the dumpster fire the Bears were at that time drafted him. He may have had one or two terrible seasons with them and put on that "failure/backup material" list. The Chiefs had a great coach and roster from hell lined up for him. Tyreek instantly makes any QB look much better because hey, just overthrow it deep and you are likely to get stacked numbers or even a TD. Look at the start of Miami's season when Tago went from his previous so-so status to hey, this guy could be legit! That's on Tyreek.
@@Texansfan59that’s not why Mahomes was overlooked. The offense that was incorporated at Texas tech was not a very NFL style offense, this mattered a bunch 7+ years ago
I highly disagree with basing decisions and trying to judge a QB based on history and trends. I know its only been a year but I heard a guy saying CJ Stroud was gonna suck because Ohio doesnt usually produce good QBs and boom sucka!! Also, Tua looked good in Alabama……
@@JohnAC4 thats not true kliff kingsbury made an offense that was similar to how nfl offenses played and the nfl was also making their offense a little more similar to college to ease the transition for college qbs.this one is just your classic blunder by most stubborn owners and gm
Im truly thankful that mahomes landed in KC. Not just because its my team, but there are multiple franchises i think he might have been wasted in. We all know there are so many factors at play leading to wins. Andy reid plays a huge part in the success of mahomes and hia development into a superstar!
The problem is thinking that a QB who is successful in his current scheme would have panned out the same way with a different team. So much success for a QB is good coaching and a solid line of which Mahomes had both in KC. Can’t say it would have been the same for these teams who passed on him.
2017 was an amazing draft class that is going to have 5 or 6 Hall of Famers. Crazy that Myles Garrett is one of the best number one overall picks of all time and yet in a redraft he's probably going 2nd or 3rd.
People saying Reid was the only coach for Mahomes to turn out this way...yo, Reid doesn't make Mahomes Mahomes. He does teach, and utilize him, but Mahomes takes Reid from the Marty Schottenheimer club into the Bill Walsh league of coaches. It does take a good or even great coach. So that part applies regardless. But coaches without a QB don't win SB's unless you are the Baltimore Ravens with that Ray Lewis Defense, and awesome Oline, a strong tailback, Shannon Sharpe at TE, solid receivers, and one of the all-time best FG kickers where Trent Dilfer could not only game manage...which is the foundation of winning QB play...but he could error on the side of playing safe...which is not winning QB play. That's the only example I can think of. The Steelers had similar teams, but they also had Bradshaw or Big Ben playing, so they were better there. 85 Bears as well...very similar. That D, Sweetness, etc. At least similar, but rare and still, McMahan was pretty decent. You pretty much gotta have D up to par, the Oline up to par, a QB, and a coach to win. Ranking them, I'd put QB first, then coach. Then recruit, trade, and build around the QB as needed. Mahomes is more important to this success than Andy is. Both are critical.
No amount of bleach will ever erase the fact that Ryan Pace traded up to draft Trubisky. I'm still trying to find the college tape that made Mitch so highly regarded. Probably hard to find as he only started 13 games in college.
I lived in Chicago when the Bears picked Mitch and I was like how do you not get DeShaun Watson or even Mahomes because he wasn't on everyone's radar. Myles would have been great also. How did Mitch get so overrated.
The problem is the assumption that Mahomes would have played as well under any other coach and program. Most programs would destroy a player like Mahomes. A visionary talent needs a visionary coach and program.
So its been talked about a ton here locally, but the Saints wanted to trade up to get Maholmes but according to Patrick himself he informed the Chiefs of this and thus the Chiefs traded up before the Saints to grab him
Yeah I get it if people talk about "hindsight is 20/20" since no one (except the Chiefs apparently) knew how talented Mahomes was, but the fact that people are *still* justifying those picks as having been good ones given what we know now is so funny. No the Chiefs didn't make him who he is, he was already insane at Texas Tech if people stopped helmet scouting lol.
9:30 "I would go as far to say he was one of the best in the league..." The guy had one of the worst offensive lines of all time statistically, barely any running game to help him out, average receivers in his third year, and had to deal with Bill O'Brien as both a GM and a head coach, yet after his three years with the Texans, he had the highest career completion percentage of all time. "I would go as far to say he was one of the best in the league..." is a disrespectful statement to all that he achieved and had to overcome. Me personally, I would go as far to say Mahomes couldn't have done that. Watson was the best in the league. Sucks that the off the field stuff happened, because if he never returns to his old self, then we have missed what would've been something unlike anything we've ever seen before.
You are 100% right about adams I didn’t like the draft when we did it really don’t like it now. But you’ve gotta kinda feel bad for the guy with all the injuries his shoulders, his fingers, that terrible knee injury. I wish the dude well but he’s just not worth keeping around and honestly I don’t think his body can handle much more.
Mahomes always had the talent to be as good as he is now, however, he was drafted into a perfect situation. Andy Reid, one of the greatest offensive minds of all time, as his head coach, Kelce and Tyreek, and a great veteran QB in Alex Smith to teach him in Mahomes’ first season. This definitely allowed Mahomes to reach his highest peak possible. So it’s clear he always had this talent to be one of the best of all time but I don’t know if he ever could’ve achieved it with the bears or the browns because of their terrible coaching and management.
This is why I NEVER get too excited about the draft It's a graveyard of 1st/2nd round picks. It all depends on the surrounding players, the culture and the coach.
Taking Mahomes in 2017 was a kind of karmic pick since the Chiefs took Blackledge over Jim Kelly and Dan Marino in the 1983 draft. The fans deserved retribution for the Blackledge pick!
No. Would no have mattered if the Bears had picked Mahomes. The problem isn’t the athletic talent but the coaching in Chicago. They would’ve chewed and spit him out!
You couldn’t convince me Nathan Pieterman was not a young backup for Jim Kelly’s last few seasons, then was a backup on 24 of the 32 franchises... Fornette does seem like a 10 year vet, but Pieterman seems like a 30 year vet. Notable qbs I could’ve swore Pieterman backed up. - Jim Kelly - Rich Gannon/Jamarcus Russel - Donovan McNabb (Eagles) - Matthew Stafford (Lions) - Aaron Rodgers - Kurt Warner (Cards) - Brett Favre (Vikings) - Jay Cutler (Bears) - Kirk Cousins (Vikings) - Justin Fields
To be fair Mahomes wouldnt have had the same success uf he was drafted anywhere else. He went to a team who had a pro bowl qb and a history of mentoring the younger qbs and an offense mind legend of a coach. Ppl also forget he went to the Chiefs that was a 12-4 team going into that draft and had a top pick on a technicality rather than a over bad team/record
Garrett was beast in college and is even better in the NFL. Absolutely no shame on Browns part. He's literally as good as it gets at his position. In hindsight, and depending on what team we're talking about, Garrett, CMC and Mahomes would all be a first pick in a re do.. Even now. If players of this caliber come into a draft and you're the Ravens, would it make sense to draft a QB Teams need to enter the draft and take the best player available for a position they need to fill . As the video said, a lot of these teams already had a QB or they were giving the ones they had more time. Mitch was a mistake, but the other teams drafted a position they had a bigger urgency on Hindsight is always 20/20
Bit hard on Josh McCown. That guy was pretty good. He played until he was 40 at least so he must have been useful. I remember he had Chicago on the way to the playoffs one year, then Cutler came back from an injury and it all went to hell.
I'm tired of people talking like Brett Veach drafted Mahomes, when he absolutely DIDN'T. That was just a propaganda move by Andy Reid to keep the fans from getting pissed at him for getting John Dorsey fired. Dorsey was the GM would traded up and drafted Mahomes. He traded up 17 spots for a 3rd that yr and a 1st the next. A great trade at a good value to pick Mahomes.
Here's the thing nobody seems to consider. If Mahomes goes to Chicago, Cleveland, or especially the Jets, he doesn't have near the success that he's had. Andy Reid was the perfect coach for him & the Chiefs are the perfect organization. He came into a situation with Kelce, and Tyreek Hill, and a pass happy head coach who is one of the best ever at drawing up creative plays.
That's why they didn't take him. His style didn't work for their mediocre coaching styles😆
I think that he would be great with Cleveland, they still go to the playoffs with okay QB, but Chicago is a shit hole ( at least offensively, some year they have a good defense)
I think Mahomes probably needs to consider leaving KC, sooner rather than later. KCs passing options and runners are no longer as dominant as they once were. If he wants to stay in KC and beat Brady's record, for franchise wins and SB wins, then Reid needs to get him more weapons soon, maybe via restructuring to get Mike Evans to start as a deep option to complement Kelce.
@@time391L take. Mahomes aint going anywhere. Literally just won back to back super bowls 😂
@@time391 lol I don't think he worried about beating brady record. and I'm sure Mahomes never would leave KC. if I was him, I be happy with them 3 Superbowl's win. not many qb's won 3 Superbowl's, I think it funny some NFL fans thinks NFL is john madden football video game. dude that has to be one of dumbest comment I ever see saying Mahomes need to leave KC . what a troll you are
I think mahomes is where he's supposed to be, Smith played a major role in his development.
Chiefs fans still love Alex Smith, and were saddened at the tragic end of his career.
i feel same about Lamar Jackson if he got drafted by some other team. I don't think he would been as good, and he sure wouldn't won 2 seasons mvp's
@@funtyes1970I was pissed my 9ers didn’t draft him. I understand coach Kyle already traded for Jimmy at the time.
Nah mahomes was the exact same in college
Dead accurate 👍
If the Bears had picked Mahomes, Mahomes would probably have been a bust. It's a 50-50 shot at best if any player drafted by the Bears or Browns is ruined by those franchises' large degree of incompetence.
nah patrick too special no way he woulda been a “bust” on any team! look at CJ and the texans!
@@tawj1918 Agreed! Mahomes is an elite talent and has that "it" factor and also elevates his teammates.
It all depends on who is running what. They might be able to throw a wet piss blanket on the fire, like they did with my Lions when Stafford and Calvin Johnson were both there for fk sake.
Imagine Dan “Gamble” Campbell coaching with those 2 on the team.
And FYI, we fkn love Campbell, I have no problem with his play calling vs 49ers. I have a problem with the D-secondary full of more holes than a Super 8 full of crack hoars on a Friday night.
But yeah, Mahomes went to the right place for sure.
Your saying “mahomes would have been a bust on the bears” 😢to make you feel better since yall drafted Mitch TruBUSTky instead of mahomes🤣🤣!! Whatever make you feel better
@@Unsealed_Prods For the record, I am actually a Chiefs fan. :p
Fun Fact, the chiefs actually picked up John Ross in the off season last year for camp to compete for a roster spot. he lasted about 2 days in the missouri heat and an andy reid training camp then retired.
Next video: "What Happened To The 261 Players Drafted Before Brock Purdy"
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Isiah Pacheco also went in the 7th round, that was probably the most stacked 7th round in history
S-E-R-I-O-U-S-L-Y !!!!!!!!!
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Brilliant
What you said about fournette feeling like he’s been around forever was so accurate had to give this a like haha I was thinking that right when you said that
Same! Him and DK Metcalf I swear have been in the league since the Russ superbowls lol crazy.
It took CMc a couple years to be able to run effectively. He was mostly a fast pass catching back as a rookie. Still was fun to watch
I feel like Andy Reid was/is the only coach that could handle Mahomes’ abilities and unique play style. Mahomes has changed the game for QBs and I think other organizations didn’t touch him because they didn’t know how to work with such a rare and raw talent. Andy Reid is perfect for Mahomes and Mahomes is perfect for Andy Reid because Andy can literally draw up ANYTHING and Mahomes can do it. Most QBs can’t do what Mahomes does.
The problem is Mahomes wasn't considered a raw and rare talent by a lot of teams.
It's funny because right when you were saying it seems like Fournette was drafted 10 years ago, I was JUST thinking "damn how long has Fournette been around?" 😂 love the videos!
He thinks about Fournette the opposite way I think about Ryan Tannehill, who apparently spent 7 years with the Dolphins? I could've sworn he was traded to Tennessee when he was still on his rookie deal.
I’m glad you addressed mahomes not being a perfect prospect at the time because it is so annoying to see people talk about teams passing on him like it was insane at the time. Mahomes is clearly an immensly talented qb, but being drafted by Reid and being able to learn from a qb like Alex smith was obviously helpful to his development. Sometimes a player is just drafted to the perfect situation and lives up to the hype. That’s how you get mahomes type guys.
AGREED. I mean, deadass, his draft comparison from Lance Zerlein was JAY CUTLER! Patrick Mahomes so exceeded expectations that for the last several years, teams have overcorrected and taken guys who are big time projects very high hoping to catch lightning in a bottle like the chiefs did. I mean, freaking Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, even Kyler Murray and Josh Allen. Guys who would've normally had huge red flags were seen as, "well, if this guy pops, he could have Mahomes like talent."
@@greyklopstock7155 Josh Allen was drafted before Mahomes had his first full start. The Bills gambled before knowing how Mahomes turned out.
@@KuroiRenge both were enormous gambles but, there had already been talks around the league about Mahomes all off-season before he would start. Really, he was getting good press the moment he got in the building. I still remember hearing about him throwing 70 yards from his knees in his rookie camp and people being floored by how that's even possible for someone to do
Keep up these type of videos just binged this one and the 2000 draft class one!! Great work 🫡
Yessir!
Of all picks, the Bears' was definitely the most stupid, not only because they drafted Trubisky, but because they gave up a shitload of draft picks to trade up a measly single spot despite it being obvious that the 49ers would never have picked him. And your assessment of Jamal Adams is 100 percent correct.
when that draft happens, I didn't understand why bears did that. unless bears were worried about some other team going to trade up and draft Trubisky, my cousin been a 49ers fan since 80's and i was watching draft with him, my cousin didn't understand either. this is why bears is bad cuz they have a moron GM and bears are like NY giants both teams can't draft.
@@funtyes1970 They always have morons running the organizations.
Probably the stupidest move in franchises history
I wanna play devils advocate
Were any other teams intrested in the 49ers pick thus creating panic within the bears organization?
2017 was a really good draft class.
Chicago Bears would’ve ruined Patrick Mahomes
Absolutely! I fear for Caleb Willams. Although he currently has some of the best WRs to throw to.
Mahomes is an unprecedented talent that inherited an unprecedented situation. Mahomes may have been a bust had he gone to a terrible team and been forced to play early. So much about being a good QB consistently is team and culture fit, and downright good fortune. He was the right QB at the right time for the Chiefs. To say he would be the same player regardless of where he went is to reduce the NFL to Madden - a collection of robots programmed with specific finite inputs. Anyone that's over the age of 12 understands these are humans and their abilities are fluid as are the dynamics of any given team.
That being said, it was also an incredibly big risk and some would say even a reach for KC to trade up and take Mahomes at 10. Many teams had labeled him as a risky gunslinger that would constantly turn the ball over. Only a coach and administration as well-established as the Chiefs could've made that move with confidence.
Beat me to the punch. Like ppl forget the Chiefs were already 12-4 at that point
But the gunslinger label never fit, as he didn’t throw a lot of pucks in college, despite his horrible defense placing him in a position where he had to play from behind & throw constantly.
As a Chiefs fan, I was a little nervous when they took him, but once I looked at his highlights & his numbers, I had very little doubts. I started wondering how other teams couldn’t see it. Seemed like a relatively small amount of research to find that stuff out, especially if you’re a GM getting paid hundreds of thousands (or millions) of dollars a year.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 Yeah. This is so easy to see I can't imagine how GMs get paid millions and hire so many scouts to do their jobs when any Tom, Dick and Harry can spot talent from a mile away.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192Yes he did 😂😂😂 and he throws a lot of picks now as well
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 Yeah, whatever. Like you could tell once you saw his highlights and numbers. Every year people come out with better stats and highlights (Mariota, anyone?) and they flame out in the NFL. You didn't know shit. This is all revisionist lies.
In hindsight everyone was wrong who didn’t pick him, including the Bills who traded away the 10th pick to the Chiefs.
@@Biff-fm1mh I don’t need to be a clairvoyant to know that every one of these teams wishes they would have drafted Mahomes. But, whatever makes you feel better about it you are free to believe it.
your statement is wrong and also correct. Most of the team, especially the bears, wish they took him. He would have made a positive impact anywhere...but the Lions, Pathers, Bears and jets would have probably squandered much of his talent and he wouldn't be anything with them. Also, Seeing how things turned out, I wouldn't have taken mahomes either. McCaffery was clearly the correct pick. @@b1foschiefs
Buffalo is good with the guy they have.
@@nobonesaboutit7639can’t beat the guy they should have drafted tho 😂
@@Lexidezi225 that more of an indictment on the coaching staff than anything else. Josh has always done whats needed to beat KC. Coaching routinely lets him down. The Curse of Mahomes is real.
Great video, great quality! I really hope the number of subscribers will grow
As a Bears fan everytime I have to relive the draft trade decision to live up for Mitch gives me an upset stomach
Hopefully, THE BEARS 🐻 🧸 don't make the same mistake again in this 2024 Draft , and instead TRADE DOWN 👇, and let some other SUCKER take the USC ( O.J.U./L.A. SLASHER🔪🗣️ "university" ) QB🏈 ...
And history is about to repeat itself in Chicago. Fields isn't the problem there and they should do one of the following. Trade that first pick and load up with extra picks
Or
Get rid of the coach and ownership.
They're not close to competing anytime soon in all they're going to do with Fields is trade one rookie quarterback for a new one
I'd stick with Fields. There's enough quarterbacks coming out this year that they can get one later in the first or second round.
Justin Fields is hardly the only problem in Chicago. I would stick with him and draft a RB or Receiver
I would trade down by two positions and take Marvin Harrison Jr instead of a QB
Bears GM Ryan Pace got his pocket picked by the 49ers who told the young Bears GM they had another call from a team looking to trade up ! So our wonderful GM traded 4 picks to move up one place in the draft. Of course he had to take Mitch Trubisky instead of Patrick Mahomes ! Funny how things played out & Trubisky is just a backup QB barely hanging on.
The Bears got to the playoffs when Mitch was there and WHERE are they now? Team destiny.
@@ag4allgood I was rooting for Mitch with the steelers, but he lost his job to a 3rd string qb.
Haha recognised that voice ...great content sweat
You know, something people often miss is how perfectly Mahomes fits with the Chiefs. If he were to move to teams like Chicago, Cleveland, or especially the Jets, he just wouldn't achieve the same level of success he's had here. Andy Reid has been the ideal coach for him, and the Chiefs organization really supports his talents. Plus, Mahomes benefits from playing alongside greats like Kelce and Tyreek Hill, and having a head coach who's amazing at designing creative, pass-focused plays. All these factors together create the perfect environment for him to thrive.
What is wild is the stories behind Chicago passing on Mahomes is pretty crazy. The GM then based one factor on the vehicle Trubisky drove and raved how humble it was.
Leading into the draft Steve Maricucci had a deal on NFL network. It’s on RUclips where he looked at top QBs.
Trubisky obviously was tops. But a guy high on draft boards ranked then over Mahomes was Kizer.
New Orleans was gonna select Mahomes. Sean Payton had him as his top pick then. But once Reid selected Mahomes they went defense.
He's the man and a great person as well. Class act.
Did anyone else notice the small detail at 5:23? It’s so cool!
I had forgotten Jay Cutler even existed.
Statistically speaking, he's far and away the best quarterback the Bears have ever had. Which is kind of sad, but they have a history of building a strong defense rather than a strong offense.
@@dfp_01 Yeah that is what makes it even worse. The only QBs I really remember for the Bears are McMahon, Tomczak, Trubisky, who if you ask me in 20 years I would have forgotten if he was not tied to Mahomes, and Fields. Your comment made me curious about the Bears QBs and looked some numbers up.. I had forgotten Doug Flutie even played for the Bears.
You should do the same thing for Brock Purdy
I think the next one should be what happened to the 198 players before Tom Brady. I know it was a while ago but I would like to know!
Watch "the brady 6" here on youtube, that was made back when Brady had only 3 rings, but long story short there were 6 qbs picked before Brady, so he went ahead and won a ring for each of them 😂
@@ivanramirez3303 BUT they didn't go to the Pats, Brady wasn't a good QB when he was drafted.
The 49ers didn't have Jimmy G, when this draft took place.
no but they did have Alex smith. at that time 49ers weren't looking for a qb in the draft
@funtyes1970 Alex was a Chief three seasons prior to this draft. In 2017, the 49ers started the season with Brian Hoyer as their QB. They definitely needed to be in the market.
That Christian McCaffery pick was a good one
How many rings McCaffery got ?
@@LABoutaBagDoeAs someone who was rooting for the Chiefs, McCaffrey did everything he could to win that Super Bowl on Sunday
@LABoutaBagDoe That definitely is not McCaffery's fault he doesn't have any rings. Just like Mahomes had the good fortune of being picked up by Andy Reid, McCaffery had the bad misfortune of being picked up by Ron Rivera and the Carolina Panthers. McCaffery since being traded to San Francisco has made the NFC Championship game and now the Super Bowl. I think he's doing just fine......
The 49ers would have been unstoppable with mahomes
They'd be going for the 6-peat now. Shanahan has dragged a bunch of half-arse QBs to NFC title games and Super Bowls. With Mahomes, they'd be 17-0 most seasons.
The fact that Fornette hasn't been in the league that long feels wrong. Like it really does seem dude was in the league around the same time as the Legion of Boom. Idk why but yeah it's weird he's as young as he is somehow lol
Right! I wonder if he will become a larger factor next year
It’s because him and Legarrett Blount feel like the same person
I mean I remember him frustrating LSU fans like 7 or 8 years ago so that kinda caps his tenure in the NFL lol
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Only mentioning the 1-4 record as a starter was the kindest thing ever said about Nathan Peterman's NFL career.
In the future, I think we'll be talking about "All Pro" rather than Pro Bowls as accolades when discussing if a player's career was a success. Cuz Derek Carr made the Pro Bowl last year. Mitch Trubisky made the Pro Bowl once. Geno Smith and Baker Mayfield made it this year. Mac Jones made the Pro Bowl 3 years ago. It's mostly from all the top stars opting out, and it gets down to decent players only, not pro bowlers.
Chad Kelly is now playing in the CFL and has won 1 Grey Cup already with the Toronto Argos
Great video and Idea. Just proves hindsight is always 20/20. Mahomes had a lower combine score than the players selected ahead of him. Also you can't imagine what each team would be if they selected Mahomes earlier. All their other picks years and moves after would be different. Its not like if the 49ers took Mahomes they would have CMC, Samuel, Aiyuk and Kittle as weapons. The team would be completely different.
Mitchell Trubisky just got released by the Steelers.
Anyone would be pleased to have a Christian McCaffrey who arguably may be the best football player in the NFL, but to build a franchise around a running back; a position that on average lasts 5-7 years vs a QB who could play for twice that long or more seems to be a no-brainer.
Given what we know about their careers now and how they turned out. I'd probably pick Mahomes as the guy to build my team around. It's harder to find an elite-level QB than it is a RB and they make a bigger difference in the game. CMC is a generational RB talent but I think QB is just overall a more important position and they also generally have longer careers.
Both are great options though
Mahomes wasn’t put in a position to save the franchise as he sat as a backup his rookie season. The chiefs was only a Qb away from being Super Bowl contenders. Teams drafting top 5 have needs almost everywhere so it’s not like any team that drafted Mahomes would have been superbowl contenders and that’s not true whatsoever
Also, the Panthers already had Cam Newton, who was mvp in 2015 and good in 2016
Duh. Everyone would.
This ain’t a hot take
Elite quarterbacks with generational talent coming out of college are a dime a dozen. That's why we have so many busts. On the other hand, HoF QBs that were drafted low or went undrafted, those are the true diamonds. Name me 10 that went past the 5th and I'll be waiting forever.
Patrick and not anyone else. It was the best decision the Chiefs have made in a long time.
As a bengals fan I can’t believe we didn’t take mahomes
Thank you for being a realist. Too many Bengals fans will never admit that. Same with Bills mafia.
To bad bengals🤣all of chiefskingdom thanks you!!
Imagine a lineup with both Mahomes and Burrow under center... MIND BLOWING!!!
Yep Bengals have 2 rings if they draft Mahomes.. Last year and 2021
He wouldn’t have done shit anywhere but the chiefs
Patrick's career is fantastic, stop trying to understand or decipher it, enjoy it, he is different, a crack, an outstanding athlete, the fact that he was the pick 10 makes him even more incredible because of his fighting ability.
Television journalists often make malicious comments on purpose because they have interests
Mahomes on the bears would've failed. Ppl seem to forget mahomes was a project and sat an entire yr developing and learning. If he was thrown into the bears system he'd of been a bust
Loved Mike W but yes his injuries do be getting out of control
Hopefully he bounces back next season!
@@FantasyPhenoms he prolly gonna bounce on outta the team. I’d be surprised if he stayed.
The bears taking Mitch was not horrible, Mitch was good. Matt Nagy was the reason that Mitch failed.
And overpaying was a major issue....
Yeah I can agree
the Leonard Fournette drafted 10 years ago comment is so true, i swear he was in the league for awhile. reminds me of frank gore in build i guess
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Mahomes might not be the rising legend he is today if the dumpster fire the Bears were at that time drafted him. He may have had one or two terrible seasons with them and put on that "failure/backup material" list. The Chiefs had a great coach and roster from hell lined up for him. Tyreek instantly makes any QB look much better because hey, just overthrow it deep and you are likely to get stacked numbers or even a TD. Look at the start of Miami's season when Tago went from his previous so-so status to hey, this guy could be legit! That's on Tyreek.
To be fair, Mahomes came out of the Big 12, whose QB’s have historically not done very well in the NFL.
But what I quite don’t understand is unc isn’t known for anything football so how is Mitchell rated higher for playing for a worse school
So it's another cj stroud situation just because he was from ohio state everyone said he was a bust
@@Texansfan59that’s not why Mahomes was overlooked. The offense that was incorporated at Texas tech was not a very NFL style offense, this mattered a bunch 7+ years ago
I highly disagree with basing decisions and trying to judge a QB based on history and trends. I know its only been a year but I heard a guy saying CJ Stroud was gonna suck because Ohio doesnt usually produce good QBs and boom sucka!! Also, Tua looked good in Alabama……
@@JohnAC4 thats not true kliff kingsbury made an offense that was similar to how nfl offenses played and the nfl was also making their offense a little more similar to college to ease the transition for college qbs.this one is just your classic blunder by most stubborn owners and gm
With head coaches like Andy Reed and Marty Schottenheimer, the Chiefs are in good hands.. It starts at the top, and both are Hall of Fame candidates.
Mahomes wouldn’t be successful today if he was drafted by anyone else. Dude is playing with a top tier defense that saves him daily.
Ur bugging goober
CMc and Mahomes were the two best picks out of that draft 4-sure.
Im truly thankful that mahomes landed in KC. Not just because its my team, but there are multiple franchises i think he might have been wasted in. We all know there are so many factors at play leading to wins. Andy reid plays a huge part in the success of mahomes and hia development into a superstar!
Can't knock the Browns for going with Garrett. He might be the Mahomes of defense. Besides, the Browns would've ruined Mahomes.
Cleveland, and Washington, ....places where quarterbacks go to die,
You should do this with Brock Purdy!
That’ll be a looooooong video🤣😂🤣
That fact that y’all admit mahomes would not be as good if he went to other teams just goes to show why he’s it the Goat……
The problem is thinking that a QB who is successful in his current scheme would have panned out the same way with a different team. So much success for a QB is good coaching and a solid line of which Mahomes had both in KC. Can’t say it would have been the same for these teams who passed on him.
2017 was an amazing draft class that is going to have 5 or 6 Hall of Famers. Crazy that Myles Garrett is one of the best number one overall picks of all time and yet in a redraft he's probably going 2nd or 3rd.
Good seeds fall onto the lands will become mountains and fall into the seas will become islands. Thats sums up Pat Mahomes.
People saying Reid was the only coach for Mahomes to turn out this way...yo, Reid doesn't make Mahomes Mahomes. He does teach, and utilize him, but Mahomes takes Reid from the Marty Schottenheimer club into the Bill Walsh league of coaches. It does take a good or even great coach. So that part applies regardless. But coaches without a QB don't win SB's unless you are the Baltimore Ravens with that Ray Lewis Defense, and awesome Oline, a strong tailback, Shannon Sharpe at TE, solid receivers, and one of the all-time best FG kickers where Trent Dilfer could not only game manage...which is the foundation of winning QB play...but he could error on the side of playing safe...which is not winning QB play. That's the only example I can think of. The Steelers had similar teams, but they also had Bradshaw or Big Ben playing, so they were better there. 85 Bears as well...very similar. That D, Sweetness, etc. At least similar, but rare and still, McMahan was pretty decent.
You pretty much gotta have D up to par, the Oline up to par, a QB, and a coach to win. Ranking them, I'd put QB first, then coach. Then recruit, trade, and build around the QB as needed. Mahomes is more important to this success than Andy is. Both are critical.
I live in Chicago and I can’t believe that the Bears took Mitch Trubisky
No amount of bleach will ever erase the fact that Ryan Pace traded up to draft Trubisky. I'm still trying to find the college tape that made Mitch so highly regarded. Probably hard to find as he only started 13 games in college.
The hilarious part is that the Bears traded up ahead of San Francisco when they didn't need to
The team around a quarterback matters.
As the #1 CHIEFS fan in Arizona I say BULLY!
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I think your next vid should be, "What happened to the 261 players drafted before Brock Purdy". Think of the RUclips monetization possibilities! 🤔
Love it! It’ll be done by next Superbowl
Thank you for reminding Jet fans that we should have picked PATRICK MAHOMES!!😮😊😅😂😢
Patrick Mahomes without a doubt!!!
I lived in Chicago when the Bears picked Mitch and I was like how do you not get DeShaun Watson or even Mahomes because he wasn't on everyone's radar. Myles would have been great also. How did Mitch get so overrated.
I see everyone agrees, same goes for any talent. Notice how players traded from chiefs dive and those traded to chiefs step up to another level.
The problem is the assumption that Mahomes would have played as well under any other coach and program.
Most programs would destroy a player like Mahomes. A visionary talent needs a visionary coach and program.
So its been talked about a ton here locally, but the Saints wanted to trade up to get Maholmes but according to Patrick himself he informed the Chiefs of this and thus the Chiefs traded up before the Saints to grab him
No one was right choice before Patrick mahomes
Not even a question. You go with the best QB over the best RB every time and twice on Sunday.
Yeah I get it if people talk about "hindsight is 20/20" since no one (except the Chiefs apparently) knew how talented Mahomes was, but the fact that people are *still* justifying those picks as having been good ones given what we know now is so funny. No the Chiefs didn't make him who he is, he was already insane at Texas Tech if people stopped helmet scouting lol.
Bills traded their pick to the Chiefs and we got Mahomes for it, what a steal and we've been beating their ass ever since. 🏆🏆🏆
9:30 "I would go as far to say he was one of the best in the league..."
The guy had one of the worst offensive lines of all time statistically, barely any running game to help him out, average receivers in his third year, and had to deal with Bill O'Brien as both a GM and a head coach, yet after his three years with the Texans, he had the highest career completion percentage of all time. "I would go as far to say he was one of the best in the league..." is a disrespectful statement to all that he achieved and had to overcome. Me personally, I would go as far to say Mahomes couldn't have done that. Watson was the best in the league. Sucks that the off the field stuff happened, because if he never returns to his old self, then we have missed what would've been something unlike anything we've ever seen before.
You are 100% right about adams I didn’t like the draft when we did it really don’t like it now. But you’ve gotta kinda feel bad for the guy with all the injuries his shoulders, his fingers, that terrible knee injury. I wish the dude well but he’s just not worth keeping around and honestly I don’t think his body can handle much more.
The Seahawks didn't draft him, they traded for him (and way over-reached with giving away not one, but two 1st-Round picks).
@@einundsiebenziger5488 i meant to put trade. ik he was traded for
Can someone please show me where the "I" in Jaguar is?
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Mahomes always had the talent to be as good as he is now, however, he was drafted into a perfect situation. Andy Reid, one of the greatest offensive minds of all time, as his head coach, Kelce and Tyreek, and a great veteran QB in Alex Smith to teach him in Mahomes’ first season. This definitely allowed Mahomes to reach his highest peak possible. So it’s clear he always had this talent to be one of the best of all time but I don’t know if he ever could’ve achieved it with the bears or the browns because of their terrible coaching and management.
The 49ers did not have jimmy g at the draft they traded for him at the deadline
You right, so they could've taken him
This is why I NEVER get too excited about the draft It's a graveyard of 1st/2nd round picks. It all depends on the surrounding players, the culture and the coach.
I will die on the hill that if Trubisky and Mahomes swapped teams, their careers would also be swapped.
as a bears fan from the UK i will always rule the day we picked MT over PM
Come on Patrick mahomes 😎😎😎😎
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Taking Mahomes in 2017 was a kind of karmic pick since the Chiefs took Blackledge over Jim Kelly and Dan Marino in the 1983 draft. The fans deserved retribution for the Blackledge pick!
Can we get a video of who was drafted before Deebo
Or st brown!!!!!
Nathan Peterman 49 overall
No. Would no have mattered if the Bears had picked Mahomes. The problem isn’t the athletic talent but the coaching in Chicago. They would’ve chewed and spit him out!
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Jets extracted a lot out of Adam's trade, and might get Corey Davis back from retirement. Passing grade.
my 2 favortie teams passed on Mahomes. niners and jets. You know it haunts meh. lol
You couldn’t convince me Nathan Pieterman was not a young backup for Jim Kelly’s last few seasons, then was a backup on 24 of the 32 franchises... Fornette does seem like a 10 year vet, but Pieterman seems like a 30 year vet.
Notable qbs I could’ve swore Pieterman backed up.
- Jim Kelly
- Rich Gannon/Jamarcus Russel
- Donovan McNabb (Eagles)
- Matthew Stafford (Lions)
- Aaron Rodgers
- Kurt Warner (Cards)
- Brett Favre (Vikings)
- Jay Cutler (Bears)
- Kirk Cousins (Vikings)
- Justin Fields
Nathan Peterman*, Leonard Fournette*
to be fair, mahomes was not a top 5 qb coming into the draft. he was scouted and was kept from the public
I'd love to hear the story about how Sean Payton was trying to draft him and Andy Reid jumped ahead, did Andy know Saints wanted Pat?
To be fair Mahomes wouldnt have had the same success uf he was drafted anywhere else. He went to a team who had a pro bowl qb and a history of mentoring the younger qbs and an offense mind legend of a coach.
Ppl also forget he went to the Chiefs that was a 12-4 team going into that draft and had a top pick on a technicality rather than a over bad team/record
Niners. He might have 4 rings working on his 5th.
... if* he had* been* drafted
Garrett was beast in college and is even better in the NFL. Absolutely no shame on Browns part. He's literally as good as it gets at his position. In hindsight, and depending on what team we're talking about, Garrett, CMC and Mahomes would all be a first pick in a re do.. Even now. If players of this caliber come into a draft and you're the Ravens, would it make sense to draft a QB
Teams need to enter the draft and take the best player available for a position they need to fill . As the video said, a lot of these teams already had a QB or they were giving the ones they had more time. Mitch was a mistake, but the other teams drafted a position they had a bigger urgency on
Hindsight is always 20/20
the cardinals were locked in to pick mahommes to replace carson palmer, but the chiefs traded up to get mahommes
Bit hard on Josh McCown. That guy was pretty good. He played until he was 40 at least so he must have been useful. I remember he had Chicago on the way to the playoffs one year, then Cutler came back from an injury and it all went to hell.
I'm tired of people talking like Brett Veach drafted Mahomes, when he absolutely DIDN'T. That was just a propaganda move by Andy Reid to keep the fans from getting pissed at him for getting John Dorsey fired. Dorsey was the GM would traded up and drafted Mahomes. He traded up 17 spots for a 3rd that yr and a 1st the next. A great trade at a good value to pick Mahomes.
I mean, Deshaun Watson just looks really tense recently. He needs to go to massage therapy or something.
Just stay away from Houston
4:30 bros got booty shorts on😭🙏