I learned today that the bronco has a prime feature after an oil change. Press the brake and the gas pedal firmly at the same time and press the start button. The engine will crank for about 10 seconds to prime the oil filter without starting the engine. Once that is complete, you can start the engine without causing damage.
@Christopher Tyacke It's called flood mode and I think most Ford's have it. Whenever it's cold I always do that until the oil pressure rises to prevent cam phaser failure in my 3.5L ecoboost.
I learned an even better tip. Start the engine and depress the brake pedal and gas pedal fully for 11 seconds, preferably in front of a police station.
The blow-off valve is not dumping the air out of the system on the Bronco, it's recirculating it into the compressor to prevent surge and stalling of the compressor. I have F-150 3.5 Ecoboost, which I drive like a moron - mostly, has 250k miles. Oil changes are very important, driving like a moron matters little, as long as you warm it up and cool it down a little. You don't have to idle the motor, just don't beat it for the last few minutes of your drive. You did a great job explaining the turbo system overall. I do 3k mile changes and I am generally rewarded for spending a little more money on oil with engine life.
@@DrivenWildOutdoors not a big deal. Ford should have put the blow off valve just in front of the throttle body, which is a much bigger mistake than you made. ;) At least then the recirculating air would be cooled and balanced between both turbos.
Quality Full synthetic + 5k oil change frequency + initial break-in oil change after first 500miles + oil catch can = best maintenance possible with this engine! Our 2.7 EB work F150 (with 220k+ miles and running like new) would agree…
The current 2.7L is a Dual injected unit, and no longer has use of a catch can as the port injectors will clean the intake valves. It is however, more than happy to put a little fuel in the crankcase, so I would concur with the 5,000 mile oci. Letting the engine run before shutting off is for dinosaur oil cooled turbo cars. These are water-cooled. This also has passive coolant flow, which uses convection heat to passively backflow coolant when the engine shuts off. These are amongst the best cooled, and highest temperature rated turbos of any engine, alongside VW's EA888.This is the same motor that is in essentially every work truck F-150. It's a workhorse, not a 90's tuner engine. Treat it alright, and it'll be fine. Don't treat it alright, probably still fine. Neglect it altogether, then you may get some issues.
@@jacobstrutner8232OK, I have a 2016 F150 /w 3.5EB and never put a catch can (43000 miles), I am putting one on it now, because my '22 2.7EB Wildtrak. I just thought I'd put one on the 2.7 due to ease... I put it on at about 2k miles. I changed the oil at 3k for a cross country trip and at 6k miles I can see oil on the bottom of the catch can dip stick. That oil would have gone back through the intake... Does the catch can help on duel injection?!? I personally don't know, but how can it hurt to remove blowby oil? It's still a closed system.
I currently own a 2018 F150 supercrew with the 2.7L ecoboost. I don't know if the factory tune on the trucks is the same as on the Bronco. With that said, I LOVE THIS ENGINE. Properly maintained, these boosted truck motors are the truth.
Thank you for sharing the knowledge of how the 2.7 turbos work, I’ve got an ‘18 F-150 with the 2.7 engine with 40,000 miles now and I love this engine , no problems whatsoever and reliable, looking to get well over 200,000 miles with regular oil changes and maintenance
I have a 2019 Ford Ranger and when it was new I had an oil catch can installed. I can check it and for thousands of miles there is no oil residue. When I check it and there is I know it time to change the oil because it has started to break down. Usually between 4 and 5000 mikes.
We picked up our 2 Door OBX, Area 51, 2.7 on April 23. Our service and maintenance will be mostly be done at our nearby Ford dealer that has a “Quick Lane” for scheduled service. I plan on the 1st oil change at 1,000 miles and every 5,000 after. This is my wife's primary daily driver so it will have a pretty easy life.
I used to have a Supra turbo in the 90’s and I always kept the motor running for a couple of minutes before Turning it off. I have an F-150 with the 3.5 ecoboost and that’s no longer necessary. The new turbos are water cooled, so they slowly cool down unlike the older turbos that only relied on oil
@@jacobstrutner8232 The water doesn't drain from the turbos. It allows it the water to soak the heat from the turbos. Here's an explanation from Garrett: "Water cooling’s main benefit actually occurs after the engine has been shut down. Heat stored in the turbine housing and exhaust manifold “soaks back” into the center section of the turbocharger after shutdown."
Why do you think that because they are water cooled that they slowly cool down? If this coolant is not getting run through the big radiator with fan/s pulling cool air through the radiator that will help cool the coolant, then the coolant left in the lines when you stop the truck, is not going to be cool any longer..
@@frandanco6289 Turbos can take heat, they're designed for that. It's when they cool down rapidly that causes damage. Having that extra volume of water in them allows them to cool down more slowly than the old oil only design. That's why with old turbos you would keep the car running so the oil can circulate in them and cool them down slowly because as soon as you turned the car off the oil stopped circulating and there is not enough volume of oil to cool them down.
I currently have a 19 Ford Ranger, waiting for my Outer Banks, I faithfully change oil every 3-4 thousand miles. I'm 74 and have had motorcycles and never ever had a engine issue!!!
I owned a 2.7 ecoboost f150. Awesome engine. Ran it 85,000 miles, religiously changed the oil with full synthetic every 5k miles. Unfortunately I totaled it. I think letting it idle before you shut it off is a bit over kill. Especially since they test these turbo vehicles with auto start/stop. Also There’s a reason people don’t use turbo timers anymore. I think oil changes are crucial to turbo life. Great videos though, I’m thinking about getting a bronco next year.
Letting it idle after a hard run is extremely important. If towing a heavy load up a long steep grade in the Rocky Mountains (as an example)...it would be best to let the engine idle for 3 to 5 minutes before turning off. Otherwise, I agree not necessary if doing a run for groceries at local corner market.
Also, for oil blow by get oil catch can system I’ve got one for my ranger works well and gives me peace of mind and I have switched my vehicle from the synthetic blend to full synthetic as well
Good points. My EB2.3 Mustang suffered heat soak at an open track day recently. Fortunately the ecu cut timing and boost for safe measures. I let it run quite a bit after each session as my oil temp was in the red (no number…) and inlet temps were over 120 degrees which ideally shouldn’t be over 100. I ended up adding an oil cooler which adds .75 qts and a larger intercooler. Otherwise it has been an excellent engine, owned since 2015. Oh yea, an oil catch can since day one, and an open atmosphere blow off fitting.
Hi. Great video. Excellent advice. You are very knowledgeable. I work for an auto manufacture in a technical capacity. I also love Gen 2 2.7L engine. Learned a lot from your 2.7L video. I have a suggestion. If we use full synthetic high- temp oil (mobile one extended for example) hint, hint...... I think we will avoid a LOT of carbon related issues. Also, I agree with exercising the vehicle. I do at least once a tank.....perform 5 hard throttle accelerations consecutively to blow out the carbon. I do it until no black smoke can be seen from the tailpipe. And change your oil at 5k at the latest! Just my standards. Oil is cheap. Turbos are expensive! Thanks.
I agree! And thank you for the compliment! We personally run synthetic in most of our vehicles. The Broncos are still on the blend, however after the oil change and oil samples Im moving to a full synthetic. I want something with the magnesium detergent versus calcium if I can find it. Of course I’m not recommending anyone to do that. That’s just what we’re doing on our Broncos.
will be getting my first service in the next week...have approximately 4500 miles on it after a roundtrip from San Diego to San Antonio...everything is running great and getting 20 MPG running on average 80mph...MPG still going up!
The shutters are most likely going to be removed if you're going to install a bigger intercooler, but mine is removed on my edge st, and no codes, or anything wrong with it.
I know this video has been posted for a while but I have a 2023 Bronco with the 2.7 and I’m wondering if I need to let the motor run when I get done driving to cool the turbos ? I’ve read both yes and no so I thought I’d ask here. I appreciate any input as well !
@@Attak420 my experience has been if you’re running it hard like in the sand off Roading whipping it around then a few minutes of idling is always recommended, however, normal driving doesn’t typically require it. Of course that’s my personal opinion
Hi Regarding the 2.3 Litre ecoboost turbo engine used in the Ford Focus and Mustang et al. Since the 2015 introduction of this engine, what have the most common faults been with this engine? I’m considering a 2.3 L Focus ST ecoboost and I am interested in the reliability of the engine And also the use of Aluminium and distortion issues. I test drove one today however, I’m doing some further research before committing to purchasing the motor. It was a beautiful drive by the way 😊
I want to get the new ranger Fx4 with the 2.7 when it comes out. Very interested in this motor's longevity. I like the dual fuel injection this motor has. Thank for your videos!
@@rockymntdan1 Hello. Do you know how much payload and towing is lost from the Tremor package? I do like the tremor package so it might be worth it. Thank you.
Great video. I have the 21 Ranger with the 2.3. This is my first turbo engine and this was very educational. What are your thoughts on after market intercooler pipes? Do they really help? Same question for AM blow-off. Thanks
Blow-offs (BOV) sound cool, however it depends on how you use your truck. If you are building boost at a high level then having a BOV can protech the compressor from damage, when the throttle plate closes with a high level of boost being created the force of air then backs up through the charge pipes (compressor surge) back to the compressor on the turbo which can cause turbo damage. This is not under normal or even slight performance levels. Bov's also help to prevent turbo lag, because as the charged air cant flow to the intake it backs up and slows the momentum of the turbo causing lag. The 3.0 in the Bronco Raptor has a system that helps to keep the turbo spooled up with short breaks in the throttle position. The factory bypass works great IMO and I do not see a need for me to add a BOV with my driving/use. Consulting with a good turbo shop can give you better advice based on your wants/needs of performance.
Can you please talk to us about the auto start stop function then? If your turbos are hot and spooled up then you come to a stop at a stop sign.... then where's your oil? Seems as if this feature would kill your engine not only your starter.
I haven't got my Bronco yet I had to reorder for a 22my I'd be curious to know if that's what you're finding with yours? Have you got it hot and stopped on the trail or at a stop light or sign After passing or really working the engine? If so did it shut right off? After the information you gave us regardless I think I'll definitely be looking for a way to shut the start stop off.... I can never remember to hit the button in my wife's car until I start cussing about it..lol also thanks for the video. If and when I ever get my bronco the information is very appreciated I've never had a turbo motor before. Thank you
@@DrivenWildOutdoors I own a Subaru with the turbo and auto start/stop so things might be a little different, but it states in the owner manual that the auto start/stop will only function under certain parameters including the engine being sufficiently warmed up/cooled down etc. Just a guess but it might be similar with the Bronco.
I heard you mention as a bronco is warming up you hear a noise from the VCT. Is that the ticking noise I hear on my 2.3? It seems to go away after a few minutes. Seems to take longer in colder condition.
In my experience yes the only thing I don’t like is the clicking noises, but that’s all part of the VCT. However, having your dealer listen to it the next time you have an opportunity would probably be best.
I had the ticking noise in my Ranger. When I upgraded the turbo plumbing and the blow off valve it went away. I had forgotten how annoying it was, until I read your comment.
When you say let it run for 10 minutes, do you mean before you open it up, or before you drive at all? For instance, driving through my neighborhood at 30 mph without any drastic acelleration - is that part of the 10 minutes?
Rotella T6 5W 40 and I’m assuming if you live somewhere super cold try to find a similar or better quality Full synthetic diesel oil in a 0w40 and of course, change it every 4500 miles 5000 max
Here is a video that we took of my Becky adding one to her Bronco. If you look at the videos on our channel there are a few of them. ruclips.net/video/1seCpLIHlZw/видео.html
Not a bad idea, but also not mandatory... The engine is dual injected, so you won't get the carbon buildup requiring a manual cleaning unlike older GDI engines.
@@volvo09 The port injection is only at low speed rpm/torque not under boost or higher rpm’s. A first GEN 2.7 will start to build carbon significant enough to cause rough idle somewhere around 100,000 miles., a Gen 2- 2.7 at 100,000 miles does have less carbon buildup however based on the appearance somewhere between 160 and 200 is where cleaning would be needed. But remember before it gets bad enough to clean, you could potentially lose horsepower and efficiency in the process. of course driving habits dictate a lot. thank you for the comment and we appreciate you watching our channel 👍
Lets start by saying that I am almost 70 Years old and I've seen and worked on many car engines. This Eco-Boost Sounds like a delicate engine and I think the auto Industry industry and technology has reached is mechanical Limit and in trying to make an engine better at the same time create more problems. Like I said , the automotive industry has reached its Limit!
What are your thoughts on the need for a catch can? I have heard that it is needed from some and not needed by others based on the type of injectors in the engine...
Maintenance is key, often and with quality full synthetic fluids. Ford adding the additional port injection adds more longevity of direct infection engines. I recommend 5-7k mileage oil changes. Hot days let them cool down before shutting the vehicle off for extended periods and cold days warm them up before driving away. Use quality gas and drive spirited on the highway from time to time and you'll most likely have great success with longevity of these motors. I'd worry more about that 10 speed automatic more then the motor. Same rule applies. Every 60-80k full synthetic fluid.
Would you mind addressing the oil capacity discrepancy between the manual stating 7 quarts but the dipstick showing way over full if you put that much in? Thanks!!
Yes, it just a few more miles I will be doing an oil change video and we will address where the mystery 1 to 3/4 of a quart of oil is. Thanks for watching!
As current engines have been gotten more sophisticated with variable cam timing and turbos you are dead on with 5000 miles max on oil changes, no matter what the oil life monitor says.
I have a Bronco Wildtrak 2.7 sometimes it has a knocking sound could that be the VCT it doesn’t do it every startup seems to happen after I drive it and start it for a second time after it’s been sitting for awhile
Yeah the engine has a little bit of noise due to the wastegate being open so we can fire off the cats and get them up to temperature also the cam phasers have a little bit of noise coming from them and if you notice when the RPMs dropped from 800 to 600 most of that noise goes away because the gates are closed
Is there low pressure at PCV outlet caused by a venturi effect at intercooler piping inlet at intake, it does need some vacuum, there should be little to no blowby correct?
Howdy, What causes a turbo to fail besides heat and oil? My Bronco turbo waste gate actuator failed after 3 miles off dealer lot and now I am waiting on a new turbo on a Brand new Bronco. Thanks
I have a 2.7 in my F-150 and really like it. My question is what do you think about if I replaced a quart in next oil change with one quart of Lucas oil stabilizer? I use it in Diesel engines and seems to be good
Another great video. Nice advice about engine cool down. Is the start stop system smart enough not to activate unless the engine has cooled down enough? I know some systems with NA engines will stop the engine at every stoplight, this system doesn’t appear to be that active. Are you changing your oil more frequently than suggested by ford? I usually let modern cars inform me when it’s time to change the oil. Lastly, do you have a favorite full synthetic for turbocharged engines. (2.3 Bronco)
After watching this video today on the 2.7 turbo, I went out to look over my engine to reinforce my newly gained knowledge. I noticed that the corrugated boot located between air filter and the passenger side turbo appears to be crushed. Concerned, I went back and watched that portion of your video again and surprisingly the boot on your engine looks the same (19:53). Is this normal? Will it restrict air flow? It looks like it was installed incorrectly. Thanks
If you look at how it is formed it’s almost twisting in the direction that the turbo spins. I don’t know this for certain but it appears to me that they’re trying to get the air turning inside of the compressor inlet pipe in the direction that the compressor (turbo charge wheel) is spinning. It seems to me this would cause less cavitation.
Apparently, it's this video. I had sound only on the left when watching this, but immediately after, I watched a different video, and had sound on both sides.
Great video again , going’s to run full synthetic in my new Maverick as I do in all of my vehicles. My bronco should be here by the end of the year 👍🏽👍🏽
Is possible or rather what would it take to program the ECU to idle that 2.7 eco boost for a minute or two after the shutdown? Similar to what ram implements on their Cummins diesel.
An important note that is missing in this video. Make sure that the engine is warm before getting hard into boost. You don't want the turbo to go from 0 degrees to red hot in just a few seconds.
Very informative, thanks! What do you think about the auto start/stop feature? You mention that it is good to let it run for a few minutes to cool down... the auto stop can't be good for this type of engine, right?
I haven’t been able to get a solid answer on this but it seems that if the oil temperature is too high the auto start stop will not turn the engine off, I always disable whenever I power up and I do know that there’s a way to permanently disable it but haven’t yet looked into that. Thanks for watching
I bet I am the ONLY person to notice you have a block heater. Why would I notice? I also have one. So . . . needed where you live or??? I specifically ordered mine to visit my brother in Michigan about 2 hours from the Canadian Border.
It was 100.00 add on so I figured why not. I don’t need it where I live but just in case I travel somewhere that I do I figured I couldn’t go wrong. Good Eye 👍
Great information! Thanks for the video. I just got my 2021 Bronco Outerbanks Sasquatch 2.7. We are looking to do some review videos for our RUclips channel as well. I think we will do a video on our first oil change and I picked up Amsoil Boosted for it and did purchase 7 quarts. Do you feel that the Amsoil Boosted will be a good fit for the 2.7 or is there another oil that you feel will be better?
Sn plus on the API rating is required. Of course Amsoil is a great product, as long as it’s rated for boosted engines so it has a low vaporization it should work well. What mileage are you changing your oil at?
@@monkeybiznessoffroad I always change my oil at around 2000 miles on a new engine, I guess you could say it’s a personal belief. I will be checking the oil filter as well as sending the oil out for a proper analyzing report. I just want a baseline for the engine so I can keep an eye on it in the future
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back in the day (it was a Tuesday. LOL), they had turbo timers that would NOT allow the engine to be shut down if the boost was detected within??? One could still turn the "key" off but the engine would idle till oil pressure was down or a set amount of time after an above-normal boost had occurred. Still a thing? still, needed?
I like them on both on the 2.7, and the 2.3. I have asked the local Ford service rep if it will void my warranty if I install one and I’m waiting on that answer. If there’s no warranty issues then yes I will be installing one
@@DrivenWildOutdoors I'm looking to get one for my 2021 F-150. I've wondered why Ford doesn't install them and all I can think of is that the blowby is so insignificant that it's not worth adding one. Once you get an answer back from Ford, it'll make another great video for the channel. Thanks!
BMW changes ALL the fluids on their M Cars at 1,200 miles, on their dime... They also have an oil temperature sensor that will not allow you to rev their M engines until the oil temperature reaches the level they want it at.. I would have already dumped the oil and filter in your Bronco and added full synthetic oil and a new filter..
The saying goes there is no replacement for displacement. That is true and factual. Only caviet is when you power add to the platform. HOWEVER all things equal you will never out boost a smaller engine vs an larger engine with same power adders. A 4.0 liter V6 will not out preform a 4.0 liter V8..
This is the #1 reason why I'm going to make sure my Maverick stays running for short stops at lights or stop signs because it's never a good idea to turn off a turbocharged engine right after driving at any RPM. And 5,000 mile oil changes maximum
There’s two sides to that coin you know you realize that you have a high-performance engine it’s made to run if you don’t run the engine hard every once in a while your waist gate is going to get stuck open or closed and it won’t work. I have a Ranger and the newer vehicles have oil lines hooked up to the turbos, so they stay cool, yes you shouldn’t just turn your vehicle off after hauling ass down the road. Got a let that turbo cool down of course other than that they should last a while.
Using a belt to drive a oil pump is the worst idea auto manufacturers have ever come up with not a good idea I have seen to many issues with them in the last 3 years as a auto tech.
@@DrivenWildOutdoors running top synthetic oil no more then 5k intervals and praying why auto manufacturers did this I don't know gm did it on the baby 2.8 duramax in the Colorado and have had issues with it steel chain would have been better tried and true.
That’s probably the cam, phasers timing and waste gates open, typically when idling around 800 RPMs, and once it drops to 600 the gates close, and it should quiet and down
These ecoboost engines are also water cooled with the engine coolant, they will continue to pump coolant through them after the engine is off. Also on cold start the wastegates are wide open to light off the cats. Good info otherwise.
What a nightmare, looks like the plumbing of a submarine in there. It should be really fun in a few years, when all those plastics dry out and start cracking, never mind other issues. I'll stick with my naturally aspirated V8, lol.
Best way to " make it last" is to buy a 93 celica or if you demand new, drive a 2Tr-fe powered Toyota while they still make it. (An engine so reliable, 99% of mechanics have never had to repair it (but the engine has been around almost 30 years).
Best explanation this newbie has ever heard. Thank you!
@@prioritymaleman thank you for watching
I learned today that the bronco has a prime feature after an oil change. Press the brake and the gas pedal firmly at the same time and press the start button. The engine will crank for about 10 seconds to prime the oil filter without starting the engine. Once that is complete, you can start the engine without causing damage.
@Christopher Tyacke It's called flood mode and I think most Ford's have it. Whenever it's cold I always do that until the oil pressure rises to prevent cam phaser failure in my 3.5L ecoboost.
Is that True?..I love this channel...learn something new everyday...Thanks guys
I learned an even better tip. Start the engine and depress the brake pedal and gas pedal fully for 11 seconds, preferably in front of a police station.
It's like that on all fords
It will kill your battery
The blow-off valve is not dumping the air out of the system on the Bronco, it's recirculating it into the compressor to prevent surge and stalling of the compressor.
I have F-150 3.5 Ecoboost, which I drive like a moron - mostly, has 250k miles. Oil changes are very important, driving like a moron matters little, as long as you warm it up and cool it down a little. You don't have to idle the motor, just don't beat it for the last few minutes of your drive.
You did a great job explaining the turbo system overall. I do 3k mile changes and I am generally rewarded for spending a little more money on oil with engine life.
I did misspeak on that.
@@DrivenWildOutdoors not a big deal. Ford should have put the blow off valve just in front of the throttle body, which is a much bigger mistake than you made. ;) At least then the recirculating air would be cooled and balanced between both turbos.
Bingo!
Quality Full synthetic + 5k oil change frequency + initial break-in oil change after first 500miles + oil catch can = best maintenance possible with this engine!
Our 2.7 EB work F150 (with 220k+ miles and running like new) would agree…
The current 2.7L is a Dual injected unit, and no longer has use of a catch can as the port injectors will clean the intake valves. It is however, more than happy to put a little fuel in the crankcase, so I would concur with the 5,000 mile oci. Letting the engine run before shutting off is for dinosaur oil cooled turbo cars. These are water-cooled. This also has passive coolant flow, which uses convection heat to passively backflow coolant when the engine shuts off. These are amongst the best cooled, and highest temperature rated turbos of any engine, alongside VW's EA888.This is the same motor that is in essentially every work truck F-150. It's a workhorse, not a 90's tuner engine. Treat it alright, and it'll be fine. Don't treat it alright, probably still fine. Neglect it altogether, then you may get some issues.
Catch can is not needed. Show me coated valves from an Ecoboost and I'll give you $1000. It's a myth
@@jacobstrutner8232OK, I have a 2016 F150 /w 3.5EB and never put a catch can (43000 miles), I am putting one on it now, because my '22 2.7EB Wildtrak. I just thought I'd put one on the 2.7 due to ease... I put it on at about 2k miles. I changed the oil at 3k for a cross country trip and at 6k miles I can see oil on the bottom of the catch can dip stick. That oil would have gone back through the intake... Does the catch can help on duel injection?!? I personally don't know, but how can it hurt to remove blowby oil? It's still a closed system.
ah, the old 500-1000 mile oil change fallacy
I currently own a 2018 F150 supercrew with the 2.7L ecoboost. I don't know if the factory tune on the trucks is the same as on the Bronco. With that said, I LOVE THIS ENGINE. Properly maintained, these boosted truck motors are the truth.
I agree, Thanks for checking out the video 👍
Awww man you seem so smart, I wish I understood cars like you, doing your own oil changes, talking about turbos. Bleep Yeah America!
Thank you for sharing the knowledge of how the 2.7 turbos work, I’ve got an ‘18 F-150 with the 2.7 engine with 40,000 miles now and I love this engine , no problems whatsoever and reliable, looking to get well over 200,000 miles with regular oil changes and maintenance
Thank you for watching. I have an update coming soon on the next 2.7
@@DrivenWildOutdoorswhen?
You are an excellent instructor. Thank you.
I like this guy, knowledgeable and direct. Nice video
Thank you
Never a complaint with your videos, very informative, keep up the good work 👍👍
I have a 2019 Ford Ranger and when it was new I had an oil catch can installed. I can check it and for thousands of miles there is no oil residue. When I check it and there is I know it time to change the oil because it has started to break down. Usually between 4 and 5000 mikes.
Good point, because you use good quality oil and change every 5.000 miles, you do not need a catch can. Nice precautionary measure however.
We picked up our 2 Door OBX, Area 51, 2.7 on April 23. Our service and maintenance will be mostly be done at our nearby Ford dealer that has a “Quick Lane” for scheduled service. I plan on the 1st oil change at 1,000 miles and every 5,000 after. This is my wife's primary daily driver so it will have a pretty easy life.
Congratulations on getting your Bronco!
Good idea on your oil change regiment 👍
waste of oil
I used to have a Supra turbo in the 90’s and I always kept the motor running for a couple of minutes before Turning it off. I have an F-150 with the 3.5 ecoboost and that’s no longer necessary. The new turbos are water cooled, so they slowly cool down unlike the older turbos that only relied on oil
It is always best when running it under heavy load to allow the engine to idle for a few minutes, this will give the best longevity.
Water pump doesn't run with engine off or oil. You're cooking those turbos
@@jacobstrutner8232 The water doesn't drain from the turbos. It allows it the water to soak the heat from the turbos. Here's an explanation from Garrett: "Water cooling’s main benefit actually occurs after the engine has been shut down. Heat stored in the turbine housing and exhaust manifold “soaks back” into the center section of the turbocharger after shutdown."
Why do you think that because they are water cooled that they slowly cool down? If this coolant is not getting run through the big radiator with fan/s pulling cool air through the radiator that will help cool the coolant, then the coolant left in the lines when you stop the truck, is not going to be cool any longer..
@@frandanco6289 Turbos can take heat, they're designed for that. It's when they cool down rapidly that causes damage. Having that extra volume of water in them allows them to cool down more slowly than the old oil only design. That's why with old turbos you would keep the car running so the oil can circulate in them and cool them down slowly because as soon as you turned the car off the oil stopped circulating and there is not enough volume of oil to cool them down.
I like your Bronco vids. You are making your own unique approach to you channel and it really shows!
Thank you!
This is a great, informative video. Thanks. I’ll be a new subscriber after watching this.
Thank you! I try to cram as much info into a 30 minute or less video as possible. Lol
I currently have a 19 Ford Ranger, waiting for my Outer Banks, I faithfully change oil every 3-4 thousand miles. I'm 74 and have had motorcycles and never ever had a engine issue!!!
I owned a 2.7 ecoboost f150. Awesome engine. Ran it 85,000 miles, religiously changed the oil with full synthetic every 5k miles. Unfortunately I totaled it. I think letting it idle before you shut it off is a bit over kill. Especially since they test these turbo vehicles with auto start/stop. Also There’s a reason people don’t use turbo timers anymore. I think oil changes are crucial to turbo life. Great videos though, I’m thinking about getting a bronco next year.
Letting it idle after a hard run is extremely important. If towing a heavy load up a long steep grade in the Rocky Mountains (as an example)...it would be best to let the engine idle for 3 to 5 minutes before turning off. Otherwise, I agree not necessary if doing a run for groceries at local corner market.
Great Job, quality information for those that are purchasing their first boosted engine (which i suspect will be most Bronco buyers).
Also, for oil blow by get oil catch can system I’ve got one for my ranger works well and gives me peace of mind and I have switched my vehicle from the synthetic blend to full synthetic as well
Where did you get the Catch can? Easy to install? How much fluid are you collecting?
Excellent video. This will be my first boosted engine so that was extremely informative for me
Thank you for watching.
Good points. My EB2.3 Mustang suffered heat soak at an open track day recently. Fortunately the ecu cut timing and boost for safe measures. I let it run quite a bit after each session as my oil temp was in the red (no number…) and inlet temps were over 120 degrees which ideally shouldn’t be over 100. I ended up adding an oil cooler which adds .75 qts and a larger intercooler. Otherwise it has been an excellent engine, owned since 2015. Oh yea, an oil catch can since day one, and an open atmosphere blow off fitting.
Hi. Great video. Excellent advice. You are very knowledgeable. I work for an auto manufacture in a technical capacity. I also love Gen 2 2.7L engine. Learned a lot from your 2.7L video. I have a suggestion. If we use full synthetic high- temp oil (mobile one extended for example) hint, hint...... I think we will avoid a LOT of carbon related issues. Also, I agree with exercising the vehicle. I do at least once a tank.....perform 5 hard throttle accelerations consecutively to blow out the carbon. I do it until no black smoke can be seen from the tailpipe. And change your oil at 5k at the latest! Just my standards. Oil is cheap. Turbos are expensive! Thanks.
I agree! And thank you for the compliment!
We personally run synthetic in most of our vehicles. The Broncos are still on the blend, however after the oil change and oil samples Im moving to a full synthetic. I want something with the magnesium detergent versus calcium if I can find it.
Of course I’m not recommending anyone to do that. That’s just what we’re doing on our Broncos.
When you say "hard throttle", are you talking WOT level, or less than?
what about the f150 3.5 hybrid motor and frequency of changes to electric drive with motor off?
will be getting my first service in the next week...have approximately 4500 miles on it after a roundtrip from San Diego to San Antonio...everything is running great and getting 20 MPG running on average 80mph...MPG still going up!
Awesome. Good to hear.
The shutters are most likely going to be removed if you're going to install a bigger intercooler, but mine is removed on my edge st, and no codes, or anything wrong with it.
I would remove them. I have the Ranger with the 2.3 and no shudders were factory installed.
Excellent boosting explanation! Always great information on your channel!
Thank you!
Excellent explanation, have the same engine in my truck and I learned a lot from this video!! Cheers :)
I know this video has been posted for a while but I have a 2023 Bronco with the 2.7 and I’m wondering if I need to let the motor run when I get done driving to cool the turbos ? I’ve read both yes and no so I thought I’d ask here. I appreciate any input as well !
@@Attak420 my experience has been if you’re running it hard like in the sand off Roading whipping it around then a few minutes of idling is always recommended, however, normal driving doesn’t typically require it.
Of course that’s my personal opinion
Hi
Regarding the 2.3 Litre ecoboost turbo engine used in the Ford Focus and Mustang et al.
Since the 2015 introduction of this engine, what have the most common faults been with this engine?
I’m considering a 2.3 L Focus ST ecoboost and I am interested in the reliability of the engine
And also the use of Aluminium and distortion issues.
I test drove one today however, I’m doing some further research before committing to purchasing the motor.
It was a beautiful drive by the way 😊
THE DRIVER....
Job well done...thx very much for this
Thank you!
I donot have a Bronco but do have a Ranger with the 2.3 Ecoboost turbo. Warmup is essential as are oil cha ges.
I want to get the new ranger Fx4 with the 2.7 when it comes out. Very interested in this motor's longevity. I like the dual fuel injection this motor has. Thank for your videos!
Thank you for watching!
Get the tremor package if you can afford it. Well worth the extra $4k.
@@rockymntdan1 Hello. Do you know how much payload and towing is lost from the Tremor package? I do like the tremor package so it might be worth it. Thank you.
Thanks Dwayne! Always informative Sir!
Thank you Rob for tuning in.
With this Bronco having dual timing chains, does this car have the water pump driven by those chains like my 3.5L Taurus does?
The edge also uses this. Thank you.
Great video. I have the 21 Ranger with the 2.3. This is my first turbo engine and this was very educational. What are your thoughts on after market intercooler pipes? Do they really help? Same question for AM blow-off. Thanks
Blow-offs (BOV) sound cool, however it depends on how you use your truck. If you are building boost at a high level then having a BOV can protech the compressor from damage, when the throttle plate closes with a high level of boost being created the force of air then backs up through the charge pipes (compressor surge) back to the compressor on the turbo which can cause turbo damage. This is not under normal or even slight performance levels. Bov's also help to prevent turbo lag, because as the charged air cant flow to the intake it backs up and slows the momentum of the turbo causing lag. The 3.0 in the Bronco Raptor has a system that helps to keep the turbo spooled up with short breaks in the throttle position. The factory bypass works great IMO and I do not see a need for me to add a BOV with my driving/use.
Consulting with a good turbo shop can give you better advice based on your wants/needs of performance.
@@DrivenWildOutdoors great info on the BOV. What about after market intercooler pipes? Any benefit?
Can you please talk to us about the auto start stop function then? If your turbos are hot and spooled up then you come to a stop at a stop sign.... then where's your oil? Seems as if this feature would kill your engine not only your starter.
That is a great point. The Broncos computer is supposed to keep it running until temperatures become stable.
I haven't got my Bronco yet I had to reorder for a 22my I'd be curious to know if that's what you're finding with yours? Have you got it hot and stopped on the trail or at a stop light or sign After passing or really working the engine? If so did it shut right off?
After the information you gave us regardless I think I'll definitely be looking for a way to shut the start stop off.... I can never remember to hit the button in my wife's car until I start cussing about it..lol also thanks for the video. If and when I ever get my bronco the information is very appreciated I've never had a turbo motor before. Thank you
So is turning off the stop/start potentially better for engine long term? Or is the computer doing something that ultimately is healthiest for engine?
@@DrivenWildOutdoors I own a Subaru with the turbo and auto start/stop so things might be a little different, but it states in the owner manual that the auto start/stop will only function under certain parameters including the engine being sufficiently warmed up/cooled down etc. Just a guess but it might be similar with the Bronco.
I heard you mention as a bronco is warming up you hear a noise from the VCT. Is that the ticking noise I hear on my 2.3? It seems to go away after a few minutes. Seems to take longer in colder condition.
In my experience yes the only thing I don’t like is the clicking noises, but that’s all part of the VCT.
However, having your dealer listen to it the next time you have an opportunity would probably be best.
I had the ticking noise in my Ranger. When I upgraded the turbo plumbing and the blow off valve it went away. I had forgotten how annoying it was, until I read your comment.
When you say let it run for 10 minutes, do you mean before you open it up, or before you drive at all? For instance, driving through my neighborhood at 30 mph without any drastic acelleration - is that part of the 10 minutes?
Great video. Very informative, ty. Keep em coming.
Thank you for watching!
Rotella T6 5W 40 and I’m assuming if you live somewhere super cold try to find a similar or better quality Full synthetic diesel oil in a 0w40 and of course, change it every 4500 miles 5000 max
Where is the blow off valve located, and is there only one?
What are your thoughts on and oil catch can for this engine?
Here is a video that we took of my Becky adding one to her Bronco. If you look at the videos on our channel there are a few of them.
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Not a bad idea, but also not mandatory... The engine is dual injected, so you won't get the carbon buildup requiring a manual cleaning unlike older GDI engines.
@@volvo09 The port injection is only at low speed rpm/torque not under boost or higher rpm’s. A first GEN 2.7 will start to build carbon significant enough to cause rough idle somewhere around 100,000 miles., a Gen 2- 2.7 at 100,000 miles does have less carbon buildup however based on the appearance somewhere between 160 and 200 is where cleaning would be needed. But remember before it gets bad enough to clean, you could potentially lose horsepower and efficiency in the process. of course driving habits dictate a lot.
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Thanks for the great info. You explained everything so well. I learned a lot from you!
Thank you for watching!
Can you do a video on the first generation 2.7?
I’d like to know the weaknesses as I have 60k on an F150.
We can, thanks for the feedback 👍
Lets start by saying that I am almost 70 Years old and I've seen and worked on many car engines. This Eco-Boost Sounds like a delicate engine and I think the auto Industry industry and technology has reached is mechanical Limit and in trying to make an engine better at the same time create more problems. Like I said , the automotive industry has reached its Limit!
I agree and they are Backing up by using all the plastic and composite parts and snap on hose clamps
I disagree, Ray.
Thanks for the through explanation. A lot of information and easy to follow 👍
Thank you for watching!
What are your thoughts on the need for a catch can? I have heard that it is needed from some and not needed by others based on the type of injectors in the engine...
I have a 2020 Raptor and would like to hear your question answered as well.
Some would argue it’s not necessary but it can only help, it will not hurt it
Completely unnecessary. Never been proven with a real Ecoboost that valve get coated.
Maintenance is key, often and with quality full synthetic fluids. Ford adding the additional port injection adds more longevity of direct infection engines. I recommend 5-7k mileage oil changes. Hot days let them cool down before shutting the vehicle off for extended periods and cold days warm them up before driving away. Use quality gas and drive spirited on the highway from time to time and you'll most likely have great success with longevity of these motors. I'd worry more about that 10 speed automatic more then the motor. Same rule applies. Every 60-80k full synthetic fluid.
Would you mind addressing the oil capacity discrepancy between the manual stating 7 quarts but the dipstick showing way over full if you put that much in? Thanks!!
Yes, it just a few more miles I will be doing an oil change video and we will address where the mystery 1 to 3/4 of a quart of oil is.
Thanks for watching!
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@@DrivenWildOutdoors Perhaps it's in the oil cooler ???
As current engines have been gotten more sophisticated with variable cam timing and turbos you are dead on with 5000 miles max on oil changes, no matter what the oil life monitor says.
I have a Bronco Wildtrak 2.7 sometimes it has a knocking sound could that be the VCT it doesn’t do it every startup seems to happen after I drive it and start it for a second time after it’s been sitting for awhile
Yeah the engine has a little bit of noise due to the wastegate being open so we can fire off the cats and get them up to temperature also the cam phasers have a little bit of noise coming from them and if you notice when the RPMs dropped from 800 to 600 most of that noise goes away because the gates are closed
@@DrivenWildOutdoors Thanks for the reply!
Is there low pressure at PCV outlet caused by a venturi effect at intercooler piping inlet at intake, it does need some vacuum, there should be little to no blowby correct?
Howdy,
What causes a turbo to fail besides heat and oil?
My Bronco turbo waste gate actuator failed after 3 miles off dealer lot and now I am waiting on a new turbo on a Brand new Bronco.
Thanks
Do you think the 2.7 t.t. Should have a oil catch can ? Thanks
I have a 2.7 in my F-150 and really like it. My question is what do you think about if I replaced a quart in next oil change with one quart of Lucas oil stabilizer? I use it in Diesel engines and seems to be good
I don’t know enough about Lucas oil products to give you a good answer. I can definitely look into it
@@DrivenWildOutdoors thanks for the reply I loved the video. It really is a good engine and now I know more about turbos 👍🏻
No it’s too thick and could destroy your engine because the thin oil that it calls for, it needs to get to all of the moving parts and tight places.
Another great video. Nice advice about engine cool down. Is the start stop system smart enough not to activate unless the engine has cooled down enough? I know some systems with NA engines will stop the engine at every stoplight, this system doesn’t appear to be that active. Are you changing your oil more frequently than suggested by ford? I usually let modern cars inform me when it’s time to change the oil. Lastly, do you have a favorite full synthetic for turbocharged engines. (2.3 Bronco)
Can we upgrade the very small turbos to improve power and boost ect.
Yes you can. Upgrade the plumbing and heat exchanger too, however.
After watching this video today on the 2.7 turbo, I went out to look over my engine to reinforce my newly gained knowledge. I noticed that the corrugated boot located between air filter and the passenger side turbo appears to be crushed. Concerned, I went back and watched that portion of your video again and surprisingly the boot on your engine looks the same (19:53). Is this normal? Will it restrict air flow? It looks like it was installed incorrectly. Thanks
If you look at how it is formed it’s almost twisting in the direction that the turbo spins. I don’t know this for certain but it appears to me that they’re trying to get the air turning inside of the compressor inlet pipe in the direction that the compressor (turbo charge wheel) is spinning. It seems to me this would cause less cavitation.
@@DrivenWildOutdoors That makes sense. Thanks btw, your videos are great.
@@antonisekowski8606 thank you!
Is it just something on my end, or is the right-side audio channel dead on this video, with sound only on the left side?
No it was a new wireless mic that I used that did not perform so well.
My apologies for the horrible sound
Apparently, it's this video. I had sound only on the left when watching this, but immediately after, I watched a different video, and had sound on both sides.
Its your end..
Great video again , going’s to run full synthetic in my new Maverick as I do in all of my vehicles. My bronco should be here by the end of the year 👍🏽👍🏽
Dang dude. Save some Fords for the rest of us 😂
@@alwayzAngry I know right, if it’s any consolation my bronco has been on order for a year and a half 😂🤣
Is possible or rather what would it take to program the ECU to idle that 2.7 eco boost for a minute or two after the shutdown? Similar to what ram implements on their Cummins diesel.
I thought some turbo engines had a system that continues to run oil pump to lube the turbo after shutting off the engine. ???
They do, however lowering the temp after hard driving is recommended
Can you do a video on the 4 cyl in the bronco ?
Thanks for the information this video was very informative
An important note that is missing in this video. Make sure that the engine is warm before getting hard into boost. You don't want the turbo to go from 0 degrees to red hot in just a few seconds.
What do think of using Lucas ultra full synthetic oil stabilize
Very informative, thanks! What do you think about the auto start/stop feature? You mention that it is good to let it run for a few minutes to cool down... the auto stop can't be good for this type of engine, right?
I haven’t been able to get a solid answer on this but it seems that if the oil temperature is too high the auto start stop will not turn the engine off, I always disable whenever I power up and I do know that there’s a way to permanently disable it but haven’t yet looked into that.
Thanks for watching
I bet I am the ONLY person to notice you have a block heater. Why would I notice? I also have one. So . . . needed where you live or??? I specifically ordered mine to visit my brother in Michigan about 2 hours from the Canadian Border.
It was 100.00 add on so I figured why not. I don’t need it where I live but just in case I travel somewhere that I do I figured I couldn’t go wrong. Good Eye 👍
Why no twin scrolls for the twin turbo- creating a wider torque band? Are the 2.7L turbos identical in size to each other ?
Why the sound is on single earbud?
@@joseagonzalez8877 bad mic, sorry
Great information! Thanks for the video. I just got my 2021 Bronco Outerbanks Sasquatch 2.7. We are looking to do some review videos for our RUclips channel as well. I think we will do a video on our first oil change and I picked up Amsoil Boosted for it and did purchase 7 quarts. Do you feel that the Amsoil Boosted will be a good fit for the 2.7 or is there another oil that you feel will be better?
Sn plus on the API rating is required. Of course Amsoil is a great product, as long as it’s rated for boosted engines so it has a low vaporization it should work well. What mileage are you changing your oil at?
@@DrivenWildOutdoors was thinking about 5000 miles, but would it be better to do the change earlier to get the break-in oil out?
@@monkeybiznessoffroad I always change my oil at around 2000 miles on a new engine, I guess you could say it’s a personal belief. I will be checking the oil filter as well as sending the oil out for a proper analyzing report. I just want a baseline for the engine so I can keep an eye on it in the future
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back in the day (it was a Tuesday. LOL), they had turbo timers that would NOT allow the engine to be shut down if the boost was detected within??? One could still turn the "key" off but the engine would idle till oil pressure was down or a set amount of time after an above-normal boost had occurred. Still a thing? still, needed?
That was only on the AMC Pacer.
Do you think putting an oil catch can on the 2.3 Ecoboost Bronco is a waste of money?
A POINTER STICK OR EVEN BETTER,, A LASER LIGHT POINTER IS A VERY USEFULL INSTRUCTOR,S TOOL !!
What do you feel about installing a catch can for this engine in an f150?
Isn't this dual port injection and direct injection? I'm not a ford guy but thought they do both to clean the top end and make catch can unnecessary?
What's your opinion on oil catch cans?
I like them on both on the 2.7, and the 2.3. I have asked the local Ford service rep if it will void my warranty if I install one and I’m waiting on that answer. If there’s no warranty issues then yes I will be installing one
@@DrivenWildOutdoors I'm looking to get one for my 2021 F-150. I've wondered why Ford doesn't install them and all I can think of is that the blowby is so insignificant that it's not worth adding one. Once you get an answer back from Ford, it'll make another great video for the channel. Thanks!
Oderinf my bronco next month first of the 2024 ordering season cant wait wont my turbo to last a long time need ut to be dependable like my toyota was
Are you going to put a catch can on?
I am considering it.
Pointless waste of money.
Can you do a 2.3L?
I did one on the overall engine. Check out our play list. Let me know if it doesn’t answer all of your questions
my 2021 Bronco has 1,500 miles. 2.7 - when do I do my first oil change ?
I am an ase tech, I always change the factory oil and filter on my own NEW vehicles at 500 to 1000 miles.I would change it asap!
1000 miles ago it should have been changed
BMW changes ALL the fluids on their M Cars at 1,200 miles, on their dime... They also have an oil temperature sensor that will not allow you to rev their M engines until the oil temperature reaches the level they want it at..
I would have already dumped the oil and filter in your Bronco and added full synthetic oil and a new filter..
Great video. Let me know when the EPA knocks on your door. Haha
Ford Tuned it, not me. Lol
The saying goes there is no replacement for displacement. That is true and factual. Only caviet is when you power add to the platform. HOWEVER all things equal you will never out boost a smaller engine vs an larger engine with same power adders. A 4.0 liter V6 will not out preform a 4.0 liter V8..
Are you gonna run a catch can on your Bronco?
The new generation never heard of turbo timers that use to keep the engine running while it cooled down after you stopped.
That was only installed in the AMC Pacer.
I have a second generation 2.7TT 2018 Ford Edge Sport and I thought that these turbos are water cooled, not oil cooled.
There are oil lines feeding the bearing assembly.
This is the #1 reason why I'm going to make sure my Maverick stays running for short stops at lights or stop signs because it's never a good idea to turn off a turbocharged engine right after driving at any RPM. And 5,000 mile oil changes maximum
What engine?
why not two air boxes, less plumbing?
There’s two sides to that coin you know you realize that you have a high-performance engine it’s made to run if you don’t run the engine hard every once in a while your waist gate is going to get stuck open or closed and it won’t work. I have a Ranger and the newer vehicles have oil lines hooked up to the turbos, so they stay cool, yes you shouldn’t just turn your vehicle off after hauling ass down the road. Got a let that turbo cool down of course other than that they should last a while.
Only 5w40 goes in for my ecoboost
Using a belt to drive a oil pump is the worst idea auto manufacturers have ever come up with not a good idea I have seen to many issues with them in the last 3 years as a auto tech.
What do you think can be done to make them last longer? More frequent oil changes?
@@DrivenWildOutdoors running top synthetic oil no more then 5k intervals and praying why auto manufacturers did this I don't know gm did it on the baby 2.8 duramax in the Colorado and have had issues with it steel chain would have been better tried and true.
My 4.9 sounds like a diesel when I cold start it sometimes
That’s probably the cam, phasers timing and waste gates open, typically when idling around 800 RPMs, and once it drops to 600 the gates close, and it should quiet and down
These ecoboost engines are also water cooled with the engine coolant, they will continue to pump coolant through them after the engine is off. Also on cold start the wastegates are wide open to light off the cats. Good info otherwise.
Thanks.
What a nightmare, looks like the plumbing of a submarine in there. It should be really fun in a few years, when all those plastics dry out and start cracking, never mind other issues. I'll stick with my naturally aspirated V8, lol.
Best way to " make it last" is to buy a 93 celica or if you demand new, drive a 2Tr-fe powered Toyota while they still make it. (An engine so reliable, 99% of mechanics have never had to repair it (but the engine has been around almost 30 years).
That’s a honorable mess under the hood!
Looks like just about any new engine compartment to me. I agree there is a lot of stuff there 👍
FYI this video is entirely left channel (stereo).
So how much of this info about caring for the turbo applies to the 2.3L?
Since both engines are very close in design the same basic info applies in my opinion
Starting and ending every trip with a one minute idle, always