How the 2011 Ford Power Stroke Beat GM’s Duramax | Banks Speed School
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- To better understand how Ford is winning the diesel horsepower war today, Gale Banks inspects a 2011 Ford Power Stroke that was given to him back in 2010. He tears down the engine and walks through various important innovations.
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00:00 Intro
01:09 Horsepower war history
03:26 Hot vee configuration
04:35 Following intake airflow path
10:05 Valve gear
15:53 Turbo
23:25 Engine oil system
24:35 Engine block
25:05 Pistons and rods
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I’ve learned more in 20 minutes about the engine in my truck than I have in 10 years. Thanks Gail!
The only one that can have this brand new engine sit for a decade and then remind us that his parts are still better. Absolute legend.
At marketing maybe...
@@dozerboyd8784 banks?
@yellowrhyno who else.
Just how casual he says hopefully it’s fed by a Banks Ram system while breaking down a motor says so much about his ability to be a salesman as well as a professional builder
It doesn't matter what he is talking about, he makes everything incredibly interesting
amen, Gale has always been a legend, in another life he would have been that shop teacher a million performance mechanics protégés idolised.
That's what makes a teacher a great one, being able to break down the topic into easy understandable information. No fluff, no confusions, just clear, concise, easy to understand information.
I love that Gale just casually drops “OG” in a video.
Holy freaking complexity Batman. That thing looks like it would absolutely suck to work on. Impressive though.
Can confirm...
IMO it looks simpler when it’s apart than when it’s put together, but to each their own.
GALE the legend is gonna walk through a tear down with me. dreams do come true.
I'm happy to see you finally analyzing this engine family. I have owned a 2013 and now have a 2017 and they run with excellent manners and pull very well.
i love the long form videos with deep technical details :) thanks a lot Mr. Banks and co
The Ford F650/F750 from 2016 and Ford preform very well with this engine, I've replaced a few due to the Crankcase filter getting clogged and causing a high crankcase pressure that either cause oil leaks, blowing a turbocharger and burning all the oil in the sump. Have to pay attention to those little things, but I have one in the shop with 700k plus on it only in for a high pressure fuel pump on original engine!
700k. That’s child’s play for a Cummins.
@winstonholmes5566 I've seen good and bad cummins, presently have an ISB that dropped a valve, and it only had 39k on it. Is that childs play?
It's all about maintenance and also there are always some that come with a defect or issue from the manufacturer. Cummins are ok older ones I think were a little better but the rest of the truck is garbage and gonna fall apart plus your gonna have to rebuild the trans and front end every 70K. I saw a F550 come in with the early model 6.7 had 1.5 million on it stock block and heads.
Look at the cost to mileage ratio for each engine, or yearly maintenance costs. The Cummins is going to have an far lower failure rate and costs and go way longer.
@@thahitman2once you build the transmission properly with good parts and shift kit that’s it for life. As for front end they all break and the dodge ones are easy and fast to work on. No stupid vacuum hubs.
Love hearing him talk. You know he's knowledgeable about not just engine performance but the true engineering behind it. And he's not just reading off a script. Very few "car" people on RUclips can do that.
to hear Mr. Banks praise a ford engineering design multiple times and be impressed is a thing of beauty. i cant wait for the tear down of the 2024 scorpion H.O. engine to see the updated turbo, and steel pistons..then we wanna see Gale push one to its limits and see what are the failure points.
The crazy part is your looking at 13 year old technology
For an IC engine that's like state of the art
Class b was crazy too bad it wasn’t feasible
That's because the diesels today suck ass....
Was always waiting for this genious guy to dissect one of these. Im not a huge diesel fan..But when this guy talks . Its time to LISTEN...
Let’s get More 6.7 powerstroke videos going!!!!
Long overdue, but glad to see the video Banks. The 6.7 Ford is a pretty interesting motor.
Ole Mike gonna stay busy while Mr. Banks stays curious 😂😂 Great vid, looking forward to more breakdowns of the big 3 diesel engines like this 👍
Simple when banks uploads a video I watch 😂
Gale, you're a legend, thanks for a lifetime of service!!!
Ford had a voluntary update for the early 6.7 engines that they would reflash them for the higher hp/tq levels. I have an extremely early '11 (made June 2010) that got the update. They look complicated, but they're a dream to work on vs. the navistar 6.0/6.4 engines.
And you don’t have to worry about the 6.7 staying in running shape after you fix it.
I’ve been waiting for this for a VERY long time and I’m glad this is finally happening
Your wisdom, gained from decades of experience, is priceless. Great video, great work. Keep up the good work.
Oh man, it would be so cool to just listen to Gale just chat about what kind of stuff he likes while sipping a cup of coffee. Such a cool guy; So much knowledge.
Mr. Banks, you are a legend, Sir. The automotove aftermarket would not be the same without you. The decades of knowledge and love for anything mechanical shows in all of your videos. I was psyched to see you find your way to You Tube so we can all have the access to that genius mind of yours. This was another great video, just like all the others. 👍
Excellent video, many thanks to you Mr. Gale Banks for taking us through a very thorough analysis of this incredible FORD engine 🙏🙏🙏😊😊😊
This man is a legend! I hope someone can follow in this guys footsteps steps years down the road
Amazing video. Thanks Gale and team. Love and prayers from Australia.
True passion for what you do makes for a Wonderful review!!!
I LOVE detailed tear down videos like this. Thankyou so much for posting stuff like this.
Turn this into a series with every motor!!
I always love how Gale will take you back in time with some of the most simple components. It tickles me since I'm still dealing with military Avionics from the 60s lol (new platforms as well) . I have to look up the many years of standards changes for SAE, axial tolerances for ball bearings down to 1/1000th of an inch etc. He speaks my language and I enjoy how he explains everything. I could just listen to this guy talk forever.
I feel much better about my purchase. Amazing to see all these components apart. Thanks for making this video.
So cool !!! I learnt a lot about my F250’s engine thank you banks 👍🏼
😊😊😊😊😊 Thank you again for all your time and effort put in this wonderful video together 10 out of 10 and thank you for the extra knowledge and your experience and your wonderful explanation on how these different engines work. Thank you.😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
....I could listen to this all day. Amazing breakdown 👌
Gale I'd love to see you do a review of the dimpled pistons! No one can call bullshit like you can, we need to know!
Packaging Constraints control design. Thanks for the education
Love that you are spending some time on the Scorpion Engine! I hope you continue to share Hi performance tech goodies for all versions. Thanks Gale!
Brilliant! Even more so you're explaining it in immense detail
I loved watching this video and learning about the 2011 Scorpion! I can't wait for the 2024 engine video!
Gale Banks is one of the geniuses of our time. Always logical thinking.
Awesome analysis and break down.
Wow been a long time since I went into sponge mode and got some Banks school'in on engine tech. Just amazing when Gale does each and every video. Thank you Sir.
So informative content Gail Banks. I could learn, listen, and watch for hours and only wish I had the resources that are available today 37 years ago.... keep up the good work, and thanks for sharing just a little bit of your knowledge with those who want to really want to truly understand ICE....😂
This was great. Thank you, Team Banks! 🎉
This is sooo interesting!
It's nothing short of amazing how you are able to explain complex systems and principles in a way that is fairly easy for a layman to understand. Also your enthusiasm is very evident and inspiring!
Not sure if you read these comments and this is off topic here I know. I'm putting together a 5.9 24v and based on what I've seen on the Tube I'm planning on using a compound turbo set up. Daily driver and occasional equipment hauler.. Any thoughts on the compounds?
New to the channel and loving it!👊
Brilliant stuff, as always.
Awesome video Gale. So much passion, information, history and that is one clean shop! I have a degree in aerospace engineering but was never really a "car guy". I drive a 1993 toyota with a 3 litre 4 cylinder turbo diesel... I don't think it looks like this inside!
❤Gale of another GREAT video!
Thank you.
Always fun learning from a living legend.
Gale thanks for making this video. I'm not a diesel fan; however I do admire the creativity, thought and engineering that went into this engine.
I've watched all of the Banks Power vids...I now have a PhD in all things Diesel. :)
That turbo is a work of art.
I need more of this in my life
I got to tour the banks facility during college when I took an internal combustion engine class at cal poly Pomona. Really sad I never got to meet Gale. An amazing man that has done tremendous things for the industry
Thanks for the awesome video
Great video! Scads of information! Thank you so much for this!
Had some stuff for gale going through the warehouse today!!! I took great care of it unloading it with a forklift 😎
Every time I watch a Gale Banks video the importance of actually understanding what does what before screwing around with things you don’t understand receives yet another underline.
This man is a living legend! He pulls no punches.
Fascinating engine!
This man is an absolute gem.Imagine the engine this man could build.
Best thing ford did for their diesel customers is build this motor in house. As a die hard ford guy it was getting hard to defend the navistar versions of old 😅. Love these motors!
Love your videos brother.
I love how Gale explains the inner workings!
I’ve worked on the stamping dies that make these rocker arms. They are a work of art.
Thank you for the amazing videos. You are a legend sir.
i was truly impressed by this engine and the thought that went into it ford really learned from the 6.0 and the 6.4 and they came up with a truly innovative an good design the amount of power achieved on this platform is incredible
Well international/navastar made the 7.3,6.0 and 6.4, this is the first ford built power stroke and they did a pretty damn good job
@@isaacmayer9723 very true the 6.7 is truly amazing in everything it’s achieved with its design an simplicity
@@mydogpeaches1 yeah definitely, and simple but also very complex in the right spots, it’s crazy how similar it is a duramax, one reason the exhaust manifolds are in the valley was because of they were on the outside of the heads it could have impeded on GMs patents
Gale,
The main thing I think of when watching this isn't why did it take you so long to tell us about the powerstroke compared to the isuzu that you normally talk about. Ohh...sorry Duramax, General motors "name".
Who is going to do the explaining next? The legacy you are leaving is incredible. Thank you for all you have done for us who are hot rodders/motorheads. I recently purchased a 6.0L powerstroke excursion, and I can see the appeal and the reservation. My current thoughts are on swapping the body to modern 350 or 450 powertrain and chassis due to the improvements the automotive industry has made overtime.
Without your explanation of how these motors are designed, and the engineering improvements and challenges, I would have many more questions than I do. Thank you!!! Keep up the great work. And I thank you again you remind me of my grandfather, my wife and I discuss the differences between your generation and my own. I belive you to be, in the post war generation, and I am the middle of the millenials.
Your contribution to modern day tech is fantastic and I thank you. My grandfather had a video recoder, yes shoulder carried camera. As soon as he the video recorder, he walk around the city documenting how technology allowed them to reline the septic system in the 2000's.
Thank you Gale, you are an example of the generation that has lead the way.
I used to play online with a Taiwanese Ford Powertrain Engineer who lived near Rouge River, MI in that time frame of the diesel power wars. He was let go in 2021 and moved back to Taipei.
Cant wait for the 2024. Will be really interesting to see how its changed internally as the've learnt about the platform and needed to make more power. Cheers Gale
Better flowing heads, steel pistons, better rods, and a different crank. Different turbo and a few small things as well.
THANK YOU!!! Ford treats everything about this platform like its sorcery majic only available to its sorcerers. What’s the deck height? What’s the max over bore? Can it be bored out for wet sleeves? Cam specs? Etc.
Eventually I, or someone faster with more money, is going to bore one out, sleeve it, and run Cummins 6.7 pistons for 7.75 liters or Duramax pistons for just around 7 liters. Sled pulls here I come!
First time I saw that style valve cover was on the dt466E GREAT engine it's a 12valve that made crazy power
Hopefully it won’t take another 14 years before we get that video.😁
Always great to hear the engineering that goes into things (or at least “what were they thinking”).
Genius pure genius! Love my 2016 6.7 PS it’s a beast on a diet!
I’ve always been intrigued by how they engineered the reverse heads on a 6.7. This explains it all!
I had a 2012 with that engine and loved it. I now have a 2024 with the descendant engine and it isn’t nearly as fun. I’m looking forward to the follow on!
One thing to add on the oiling system on these motors, watch Daves Auto video on the 6.7 powersteoke. He came up with a solution for the oil drainback issue these motors have. 5-8 seconds to get oil pressure to turbo after starting. It was a good watch. Im assuming its a check ball or something along that line.
I don't care what Ford does or had done from 2011 forward. What they did to honest, hardworking truck and business owners like myself for the 10 years before is borderline criminal. The 6 leaker problems were bad enough...but Ford proclaimed loud and clear "The problems are fixed. The 6.4 is bulletproof!" Many of us took their word for it and lost our shirts. My 100% stock, babied truck had problems it's whole life while getting 8-9 mpg towing a 5000lb work trailer. It cost me a fortune in lost work, tows and fuel etc. 3 months after paying it off at 104K miles just out of warranty it became a mechanical salvage when #7 went soft. My accountant and I for fun decided to figure out what owning that truck for 6 years cost me. (Not including the truck and normal maintenance,.) Just shy of $70,000! Lost work, repairs, doubled fuel cost etc.(Used to get 16-18mpg towing same trailer with a Cummins.) not counting the damage done to my business reputation for delayed work and/or no shows as I sat on the side of the road.
Ford fought me every step of the way. Made me wait for weeks to approve warranty work that should have just been "done". Ford motor credit are also crooks - but that's subject for another thread. We won't get into the 3v 5.4 in an F150 I had that locked up at 114K miles because the cam phaser fell apart while spinning 2500 rpm on the highway. Another worthless boat anchor. I take excellent care of all my vehicles with regular maintenance beyond recommendation so it's not that at all. I don't care if their new motor crapped gold bars, I'll never set foot in a Ford dealership long as I live.
What made you choose ford to begin with
I remember getting a late 2011 forestry truck. It was a big step up from my previous 2008 6.4 PS. That thing also got like 25mpg highway
Man I have never seen something like this. Wild.
EXCELLENT!
I heard these engines takes a few seconds for the oil system to build pressure each time it fires and that lead to premature turbo and cam/rod bearing failures. Any input on that?
I know it is cool to see the maximized space utilization and obviously CAD Design potential, but I am a big fan of Keep it simple smarta$$! Gale, I would look for someone else to reassemble that mess also, after having the fun of taking it apart!
Thank you for the inside look at what the engine designers are doing there at Ford. They must have a lot of fun working there as they ponder what the technician forced to repair that design has to go through and the choice of words, they would have to describe it! Happy Mother's Day!
he just wants a new scorpion for it to sit in a stand for a few years again..
more power to you, excellent breakdown.
Do this with more engines please! So cool to see! I'd love to see you do it with a for 6.0 and 6.4... That is if you can find one not already blown up.
Thank you, Gale I’ve been a Ford fan in my whole life, but I also do love my brothers Duramax. Ford engines have become complicated similar to European engines but run amazing and make a ton of power like everything else. Maintenance is key.
Neat stuff, Ford. Since I'm the one working on and paying for parts on my truck, I'm happy with the simpler Cummins. I'm happy that this developement and compition exists though.
I remember the recall for the super dutys coming in for the PCM reprogram to bump up the power to the 400hp for the trucks already sold
He is a brilliant man.
Wow, I've never seen an EGT sensor in the position in the Bank 1 exhaust manifold. I wonder if the engine was a prototype
He said he received this engine in 2010 so it’s very possible
Visual Smoke ring effect when he says smoke bump at 7:50. Lol
Great closing line Gale. Anyone can take one apart but putting it back together?
Any opinion on speed of air pistons Mr. Gale?
Those long oil passages drain back after sitting. Runs dry for a while. A check valve in the pickup tube may help, in my testing. Thanks for the video.
Thank you Sensei
That's pretty cool video the amazing part is Mr Banks has been building awesome Duramax and Cummins engines and now has a Ford block on his show this was a curveball but that's some awesome Tech that's in that engine
Lots of old heavy duty diesel engines used a valve yoke and it was a valve bridge with a guide rod in the middle, that would solve your problem of unmatched valve spring rates
In gas turbine engines and APUs oil is used to cool ball bearings to due to the heat generated both by friction and the hot environment. If they get too hot then you’re going to skid and have a bad day. Reducing friction in the ball bearing is a secondary concern.
A year ago I was thinking about the powerstroke 6.7 and structurally it has everything 6 bolts per cylinder in the heads 6 bolts per cap to hold the rotating assembly, (this is the first powerstroke designed by ford and they did it with all the effort) it has its drawbacks like the cp4 fuel pump (called a hand granade) I mean: it has all the potential to be a great engine