Upgrading a 2023 Ford 7.3L Godzilla for an EASY 600+HP - Engine Power S11, E12
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- Engine Power has finally got their hands on a 2023 Ford 7.3L Godzilla engine to play with and we make several easy upgrades to turn it into a perfect pump gas swap engine! After getting it running and baselining the engine, we’ll perform a camshaft, valve spring, and intake swap to help these 445 cubic inches breathe. We also changed out some of the stock bulky accessories and oiling system for a more engine swap friendly setup before putting Ford’s new, large displacement, gas powerplant on the dyno to see what it can make!
PARTS USED IN THIS EPISODE
Comp Cams
Cam Phaser Lockout Kit for Ford 7.3L Godzilla Engine
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Comp Cams
Godzilla Stage 3 Hydraulic Roller
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Duralast
Duralast Ignition Coils
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Edelbrock
Edelbrock XTS Intake Manifold for Ford Godzilla 7.3L Engines
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Fluidampr
Fluidampr 7.3L Ford Godzilla Harmonic Damper
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Holley
Billet 95mm LS Throttle Body w/ Low RPM Taper
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Holley
Holley Godzilla High-Mount Accessory Drive - OE Oiling System - Complete Kit
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Holley
Holley Godzilla High-Mount Accessory Drive - With Holley Swap Oil Pan & Pump - Base Kit
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Holley
Holley Godzilla Oil Pan Baffle - Race
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Holley
Terminator X Max 7.3L Godzilla Kit
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Summit Racing
ARP Pro Series Flywheel Bolts
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Summit Racing
COMP Cams Conical Valve Springs Kit
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Summit Racing
COMP Cams Valvetrain Assembly Spray
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Summit Racing
Performance Throttle Body
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Summit Racing
Summit Racing Billet Steel Flywheel
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Summit Racing
Summit Racing Engine Swap Motor Mounts
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Summit Racing
Trick Flow Chromoly Pushrods
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Apocalypse Performance
2020+ Ford 7.3L Godzilla Billet Fuel Rails
Apocalypse Performance
725cc Ev14 HIgh Impedance Fuel Injectors
Apocalypse Performance
Stainless Works 20-21 Ford F-250/F-350 7.3L Headers
Haven't watched the show in a while, I love to see Pat taking his health more seriously. He's looking fit!
I find the fact that the engine made all that extra power while running all the accessories (baseline did not) pretty impressive.
no shit. 610 hp and spinning the water pump, power steering and alternator. 90% of these engines they play with have no accessories. this motor is making close to 700hp gross with intake, headers, and cam. wow.
Let’s just take a minute to appreciate how good modern engines are these days. Stock this thing made over 500 has how many big blocks from the 60s/70s/80s could do that .
Back in the muscle car era they were a bit cheeky on their engine performance for insurance reasons. I always doubted big big blocks making such low numbers. The hemi seemed close to honest at 425/425.
@@bmstyleeexcept 1/4 mile times don't lie 70 and 78 400 Firebrid ran the same time with the 70 quoted at 400hp and the 78 at 200hp.
Gross Hp rating was total BS and is what was used prior to 72. Air conditioned air, race exhaust, race headers and no accessories (meaning no water pump/fan or alternator/generator).
If you want to use gross Hp on "modern" engine the 89-95 Thunderbird SC (3.8 v6 Supercharged) would be over 400gross Hp. As you add the hp back in that it takes to run the supercharger.
A junkyard honda K series with a e bay turbo kit can do that unopened motor. yeah yeah im outta here😂😂
@@rocknrollajohnnyquid876 Can you imaging throwing twin turbo on that engine? Till the rods would let go, well over 1100 hp! (and if you throw forged rods and pistons, 2000 hp+?
You are trying to compare an abysmal smog choked era of engines to a modern powerplant that relies on computers and sensors. If the oil embargo hadn't happened and the EPA hadn't been overbearing, we'd have seen big power from the 70s-80s. Your comment shows your ignorance. It's no secret anymore that 429s,427s, 440s were all capable of 500+ hp back in the late 60s and early 70s, OEMs kept power down due to insurance concerns and targeting young male buyers.
I have this engine in a motor Home and couldn’t be happier with its performance , it has the ford commercial 6 speed . We went through the mountains out west and that tranny and engine would hold speed going down very steep grades saving the brakes , we averaged 9.5 miles to a gallon .
That’s actually really good. My old 6.8 V10 only did 8-9 with 250hp 😂
First of all, I feel so vindicated the industry has taken this engine and ran with it. When it came out, I joked on FB that I was going to put one in my Crown Vic and instantly got haters saying it would never work, its a truck motor; all the typical crap.
Also, I believe the power difference in the stock config is due to the fact that the stock ECU doesnt use power enrichment. So if the Holley does enrichment and adds timing then you are instantly going to get a decent power bump.
Bro same I’ve wanted one in my vic since I got it
I love that Ford engineers finally woke up and built and kick ass pushrod engine. 500hp out of the box is awesome. Would love to see these as popular as LS swaps but I doubt it will ever happen. These will never have the same availability as LS's
They will just give them a few more years
It would be interesting to know the weight of the engine and the dimensions for swaps. More displacement so you’d think bigger and heavier, but how much is the question.
The biggest turn off about this engine for me was the chain driven oil pump, Holley is awesome for making their parts for this engine 💯
What's wrong with a chain-driven oil pump? The chains never break, and it's not like you need it in time like a timing chain. You never hear about the chain being a problem in things like the Honda K that turn 9 grand in built applications. I think the bigger problem with the oil pump is the variable volume and computer control, which gives it insufficient idle pressure for commercial long-idle applications.
My 2.7 Eco boost has a rubber belt !
@@bobbybieln853 I just saw a video on that. That's a suicidal design decision. Belts don't get along with oil.
@@JETZcorp not hating on the chain per se but rather the complete oiling system in its entirety, including the pan, for reasons you mentioned like the computer controlled variable pressure and just it’s entire cumbersome bulkiness. Again, what Holley did with it is quite impressive, to me.
For people looking at the 7.3 swap. As a heads up from a former Ford truck mechanic (now semi mechanic), these motors eat lifters if idled for long durations. In 6 months before I left, I replaced 7 motors all due to lifters being destroyed. All vehicles were either rv's/buses and all under 40k miles.
I believe the idle oil pressure is only 8psi if I recall from factory
Problems are showing up on numerous designs that are incorporating low pressure pumps to try to squeeze an additional 1/10th of a MPG.
So basically the same issue every modern “work truck” V8 has
There is a simple fix for this, unplug the oil pressure control solenoid, then the variable output oil pump will default to max out put like the old school oil pumps.
@@mikeabney1214will that throw a check engine light?
@@FlatPlaneCranky you may have to have someone go in and tune to lock it out, similar to locking out the variable cam timing
PUSHROD V8!!! EFFFF YEAHHH!!!!
Aw yeaahhhhh, finally a 7.3 Godzilla
Great content! Every episode is a combination of professionalism and interesting material. Thank you so much!🏝🤸🎀
Oh my gosh, that was totally awesome!!!! I’ll definitely think about doing it when I have $30,000 to kick around!!!!👍😸
That needs to go in a Pantera!!!
Great SHOW guys, I really enjoyed seeing you install all that Holley gear...
Hey , welcome to the game. Its a fun one. Mine is still in my truck for 2 working years,😶 thin in my '09 Mustang!😮 Work then Fun🤯
The real mvp is pat’s shirt pocket!!!😂
The power gains are great especially when you consider all the extra acessories the engine was running what i would love to see is replacing vvt lockout for the limiter and what the power difference would that net after proper tunning
I want you to know that I am very disappointed that I did not get to see the testing of a solid roller cam in GODZILLA today.
:)
That's wild. Can't wait to see the numbers on one of these boosted.
Would love to see a distributor conversion so the engine can be converted to run without a computer like was done with the LS several years ago
That engine has slot of potential. 100 horsepower is a great start. I know of another person put one in a Fox body Mustang with two turbochargers but they were putting so much boost to it that it was blowing head gaskeys.
Hell yeah brother!
the Godzilla is not just a replacement for the diesel option it's also a replacement for Fords V10 in older trucks . it has better power with less weight and is more fuel efficient . the triton V10 has 8 to 10 miles a gallon while the Godzilla can get 14 to 20 depending on the application . so even in it's stock configuration it's a better option over a triton V10 they also love turbo charging .
The Godzilla engine is not only used in the F series super duty trucks but it is also used in the E-series cutaway vans and my local fire department actually has two ambulances on the Ford E450 van chassis. A 2017 and a 2021. The 2021 is the one that has the Godzilla
Yikes, i wonder what all that Holley stuff cost. But nice looking stuff for sure!
2k for OE oil pump. 2.5k for crank oil pump. NOT cheap but it's a REALLY nice setup.
That needs to go in a Crown Vic.
Anyone that LS swaps a Ford just really don't know what they are doing. Your first motor In older ford should be a stroked windsor hard to beat that and the new coyote by far out performs a LS with just stock setup with some boost. 1000 H.P. out of a bone stock coyote with boost you can't do that with a stock LS.
unless one is drag racing, how the engines perform with a turbo around 600-800hp is more important then reaching some four digit number. that said my money would be on the doch setup
I was pushing more than that out of my 99 v10 ram 2500. That 8.0l was a beast, I used it for plowing. It's a dream
Quit lying. Those shit engines were dogs. That's why it was never used in a viper
@theowl1980 it was never meant for the Viper or speed. It was meant to move weight. I never had to go over 2k rpms plowing, and I barely had to fuel it. And it's still running to this day after 25 years of plowing. Only had to replace the radiator last winter
Id like to see you guys do an old Ford v10 from the early ‘00s. I don’t remember seeing one on this show.
A shootout between a Ford 6.8 Triton and a Dodge 8.0 Magnum would be awesome! Both of those engines come MASSIVELY detuned from the factory, and there should be good gains on the table, even with limited parts availability. The Dodge in particular was deliberately nerfed because the 47RE transmission was only rated for 450lb of torque (for the 12V Cummins at the time) and the first prototype V10 using the already-mild 5.9 compression and cam specs was blowing them up.
The problem is zero aftermarket for either
@brontantwoord7266 It's not zero. You won't find a catalog of CNC ported heads, but you can get cams and headers. Both engines also have significant V8 overlap, so pistons and rods and rockers and valves and all that can be sourced from Mopar LA or 5.4 Mod Motor V8 applications. Add some elbow grease with the Dremel to do some hand porting and port-matching, and you can really unlock a ton of power. Not 800, but plenty to really wake up a truck.
I imagine that's going to be reliable power, too. They really overbuilt the internals of the 7.3 with materials used in diesels, so you could add boost to it if you really wanted to. That said, a reliable engine with good interchangeability and more than enough power (even stock numbers impress me, given what the 6.8 v10 or the 460 were doing in trucks). I'm curious about how doing the balancer and oil pump/pan alone to a stock truck would do for long-term reliability. In a sea of small boosted engines that are having reliability issues in American usage, it's nice to see something that will attempt to stand up. Seeing a chain on the oil pump instead of a belt was at least a good sight, though I shouldn't say that too loud because ford has a hard-on for wet belts lately and the (maybe) 1hp "gain" they might provide.
except they are junk, they have serious lifter issues that put metal in the oil. Scroll through the comments, more than a few Ford Techs on here saying that exact issue.
@@TheRoadhammer379 they dont have lifter issues, they have oil control issues at low rpm that are caused by the variable oil pump. Some are saying lock it out in the tune, better approach is going to a traditional crank driven pump, solves low rpm starvation.
Your results are skewed, stock you ran the engine without any accessories driven so you could boost the numbers, but after the upgrades, you put a belt on all the accessories pulling down the numbers. you need to do an apples to apples comparison to be fair.
They already know what it's rated for from the factory....
@@19chev81, they know what Ford says it should be, not what it was actually capable of, running it with all the accessories would have proven that, and it would have been a straight comparison of the baseline engine vs the modified engine!
So i used to work at a ford dealership and ive seen quite a few of these with cam and lifter problems. They start pitting and put metal through the whole engine.
The early ones did, not anymore
I need this in my Crustang! Looks like a good drag and drive power plant!!
Wait, you mean ford designed a gas engine WITHOUT a rubber oilpump drive belt?!?!
Sacrilege!!!!!!
Honestly this motor surprised me. Hopefully they keep making advancements because it looks like a helluva performer for what it is.
600+HP is rocking!!!
So $4,000+ worth of parts and all that work for 100hp? That's hilarious.
Pre-Biden-Harris would only be $1000
They truly open up when you hit them with forced induction. Sure it adds to the bill, but 1500hp on pump gas is not that hard to achieve. Feel free to google it.
No that's actually pretty good considering it still has the stock restrictive heads
Godzilla time ... hell yeah ...
Awesome the block is iron..the strength and durability gives piece of mind as more performance upgrades are added.
I bet Richard Holdener is salivating right now!
I'm assuming that "stock" run is with optimised ignition timing.
This is the only time that we will see them use a Ford engine! The next episodes will always use the gm ls engines
Ford should make the Godzilla style heads here for the 302 and 351 Windsor engines. I'd buy a pair. Same goes with the oil pump drive system.
Please put it in a Crown Victoria. It needs to be the muscle car it always should have been.
oh god yes. or swap it into a marauder.
The cost of a used one of these vs a used LS is why not many have/or will be used vs a used LS
Ahhh. they are slowly piling up in salvage yards, same as the coyote. You're acting like this is a hellcat or zo6 Corvette engine.
I still don't know how the presenter can push autozone parts with a straight face. must be a trained actor.
Sponsers and SOMETIMES the parts are ok.
...meets or exceeds OEM lol
Yeah I always go with oem coil packs. They may cost more but you get better performance and longevity.
@@ThePaulv12 i laughed also when i heard this.
Whatever PAYS the bills, nothing else matters.
Holley does sell a coil harness for the smart coils
Thank you powernation great stuff the reason I watch and subscribed…
looks beautiful. It would look amazing in my 84 mustang.
I’m happy to see this motor is getting hot rodded. I always said there’s no reason why they shouldn’t be. Big iron block, pushrod 2 valve with coyote bell housing pattern is just ASKING for big power
Stock power is pretty dam Impressive
Need to replace the 460 in my 68 Torino with one of these. Glad to see aftermarket game is stepping up.
Id build the 460ci BBF instead.. A 632ci BBF stroker block can make 800-1100whp n/a n only costs $7k n can be boosted to 2,000hp.. I'd build that vs anything smaller.. CNC Motorsports sells the block..
@@P71ScrewHead7000.. 😂yeah in 2012. The stroker kit alone is 5000 now before upgrades. A 600+ cubic inch BBF is pushing over 25k dollars. You find an entire parts list to build a 632 for 7000 and post it in this comment. The 460 that Powernation built a decade ago cost almost 15k...10 yrs ago
@@P71ScrewHead modern engines are more frugal for everyday use
@TheRoadhammer379 Bruh, go to their website, I checked their prices a few months ago.. It's their shortblock, built n ready to go.. They'll sell you a whole engine if you'd like, n yes you're gonna pay a pretty penny for it.. I ain't lying..
@hotdog9262 I agree, but just throw a 40gal gas ⛽️ tank n you'll make it to the corner store n back..lol
Great channel great video thank y’all please don’t use adjustable wrenches (ANYWHERE) specially on crank snouts and key ways you have proper options even self made proper options.
Just a thought, but you could drop it into my '01 Excursion 😂😂😂
Did they forget anyone. This guy's a PhD lariat on parts manufacturers
The oil pump conversion kit is over 3900.00...
HOLY Testical Tuesday Batman!!! That is steep.
It was that LS throttle body 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Excellent.
"HiGh QuAlItY AuToZoNe PaRtS"
A would LOVE to drop one of these in late rental Mustang. A modern take on a genuine big-block Ford Mustang!
at 600hp you could build a 460 for half the money or less
@@yurimodin7333 Yes, but I would want a Ford.
one of these aftermarket companies should make a kit where you can drop one of these bad boys straight into a OBS Ford. weither it was the 300 six, a 302, or the good ol' 460.
If the new ford torino cobra has this between the fenders.....🤯🤑🤪
I have been waiting for this.
Look like it will be around $9k-$11k (not including labor for those that need it) and an engine to make this a swap. Not thanks. I can build a 650/1550 12V for my '97 F350 for that (or less). Good content though. I enjoyed the video.
Great video guys! I disagree on the autozone parts tho, everything I buy from there is garbage. Constant warranty returns! OEM is the way to go these days.
when did frankie start the pocket toolbox like pat?
I would really like to see a quick pricing wrap up at the end of each show. This engine has to be north of 20k right?
I've had the first Godzilla in my 2020 F250 and now another one in my 2024 F250. They are great motors. I always new it made more HP than Ford said it did.
Keep up the good work boys!!
They just test differently , ford tests them with all accessories full exhaust and intake like they sit inside the vehicle.
And this is a truck engine, Imagin if it was put into a Mustang.
@@mylanmiller9656oh sure, and then what transmission or control pack are you going to use?
Wow such a masterpiece of an engine. Beautiful work gentlemen. I'm curious how much would this set up cost ???
5K for parts not including the long block itself.
When i saw this video... i said, "F*** YEAH!" But my kids are here so no one knows except you
Still anticipating version 2.0 turbo 300 i6 but done with all the info needed to build a true v8 eliminator just like the good old boss 300 6 from the 70s
Next you guys need to do the Custom homemade 6.8L DOHC 40V Triton V10 just like the 2 you young guys from Build it Yourself did and man that V10 sounds like the God of Thunder.
V10 power! Need todo a Viper V10 too
@@cromBumny Agreed 100%
Lmao 🤣
After watching this engine get upgrades that almost equal it's value, it's def not worth the effort as SBC can make those numbers with less money.
I just can't believe that someone at Ford figured out that this is a better engine for towing than a 1,200 ft lb torque 6.7L PSD..
Yes, it has 10 gears, but how long do you think that transmission will last with all those gears...?
The same time as the 10R140 behind that 6.7 PSD! Also, it's not better for towing than the diesel, but it is 10K cheaper out the door in otherwise identical vehicles!
This would be a sick swap into an old Highboy
YES!!! Awesome!
It's high time The "F" word in the Blue Oval wised up and ditched the Triton family for at least one segment of trucks.
Oil pump revision for reliability was a fine choice. At least toe OEM was actually chain driven as opposed to a guaranteed failure wet belt!
How does the cam swap affect low rpm driveability?
Awesome monster if an engine. Really its a Godzilla
Perfect for an early 70's Torino.
You guys need to move away from Holley and try other ECU's like Fuel Tech or Haltech for your viewers.
Sponsors.. I'm sure they would if other ECU manufacturers sponsored the show.
I hear there is a carburetor manifold available for this engine. You guys should get one and do a carburetor test on the engine also.
there is
"just gonna have to watch and see" or... read the title lol.
Wish I had that in my boat
I really like this engine. Shout out to Fluidampr for an excellent product. Engine Power is my favourite channel.
fantastic job and looks great that pulley upgrade is WoW .. mikey likes, what if you shave the heads a few thou good for 30hp? well maybe like a few hunns then . . :-) BUMP IT! would is mess timing up too much?, maybe just deck block and heads within one millionth like they in motoGP and run without a gasket, all reversible that way . . and you have nicely decked heads .. imagine that kind of decking is all done by hand .. NUTS!!! cie build fellas, an F150? 250? 350? hmm... how would that engine pull say a large 35ft boat and 2x trailer in a 250?
Now get a L8T engine
I remember waking up watching the show when I was younger and I still do now lol 😂
I want to see the Steve Morris or Nelson race engines build one of these 7.3 I'm curious of what they can do with it
Great boat motor 👌
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I feel the urge to cram this into an R32 Nissan GT-R for time attack. The Godzilla Sandwich. I'd be interested to know what this weighs compared to the RB26 with its iron block and pair of turbos.
I always loved watching these shows but they never let anybody know the real price of what this stuff cost that they're doing I like to know how much it cost for a start digging into my car and tearing it apart to do this
If I had to replace my FE 390, this is the motor I would swap to
I’d be impressed except Richard Holdener just ran a smaller 427ci crate engine from Chevy out of the box at 613 hp.
So when the front cover leaks it leaks water in the oil great
I understand the value in all things LS but come on a Ford build and I still hear LS 42 times 🙄😆
What do you guys think about steve morris builds. His engines?
cleetus put one in a fox body mustang and then did everting and still broke it and put the most highest horsepower parts in it and still broke
All motor! longevity engine power. Put that in something and drive it for the next 10 years without a hiccup.😅
Now let’s see a 6.6 L8T with the same mods.
I love watching this show, lots of good info and skill but the intro, not really that mysterious as the title says it all!!
Who blew the lid off of Frankies surprise???
My 4.8L LS makes more than 600hp with stock bottom end!
These have gone over 1000 hp with a stock bottom end as well.
Yes for 6 times the money!
I wanna see y’all make some power with those new GEN 5 LT 5.3 and 6.2
The GM LS/LT platform had/has so much success that Ford wanted to get back into the pushrod game
the same ls that’s based off fords pushrod ? yea agreed. why not go back to something they made that had extreme success even the competition used it? yea id go back too
The modern hemis are nothing to shake a stick at either. Pushrods still have place this motor gives the die hard ford 460 guys something to modernize with thats why they offer it in a crate motor first and foremost i think. Those old ferd blocks are getting hard to find.
@@theyluvprinYou’re LITERALLY seeing an LS copycat right before your eyes lol. Just watch the video, nuff said.
@@sstevocamaro LS copied ford windsor platform though, no way around it. i guess in some ways they all copie each other in the race of who’s dominant
@@hellbringer09Yup, it’s a Hemi/LS engine all mixed in to one lol.