Plane Descends Too Low
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2024
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Boeing 777 approaching below glide path in Phuket, Thailand
• PHUKET beach LOW and L...
Lancair LX7 runway overrun on landing
• LX7 Lancair Aircraft a...
SWISS Boeing 777 encountering 50 knots crosswind
• SWISS B777 crosswind o...
LOT Boeing 787 Dreamliner autopilot fighting turbulence
• Boeing 787 Dreamliner ...
Avianca Airbus A319 cockpit view takeoff in Rio de Janeiro
• Decolagem Santos Dumon...
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Everybody on the beach: "Wow a 777"
In the cockpit: "Too low terrain…20…terrain Terrain PULL UP…10…"
i love how russian pilot always consistent with "we pay for the whole runway, then we'll use the whole runway" principle 😁
The callouts dont work like that.
Too low, fence!
The terrain alarm doesn’t sound within the approach minimums
1:04 "Hi car insurance, I'd like to file a claim."
"What happened?"
"I hit an airplane"
"Can you repeat that, please."
🤣🤣
ACtually, it was "an airplane hit ME"
followed by the claim being denied because I'm sure the insurance company wouldn't cover it.
Police report: You're at fault for driving past the end of the runway.
Insurance company: Denies claim and drops coverage
😂😂😂😂
To be fair, there's a bit of an optical illusion (parallax view) effect on that first 777. The camera was further away and there was a small bluff in front of the camera. The 777 was higher above the threshold than the slight rise directly in front of the camera.
Yes, and it was not filmed from the same place at all.
While you’re correct, the plane is still coming in way too low than usual.
You’re supposed to be at 50 ft above the runway threshold when landing…. I’ll give that 20 ft above max.
It was too low, whatever you think about parallax.
And I think that the pilots approached deliberately that low, maybe for some planespotters.
This beach needs to be turned into maho like in st.masrten, there needs to be a fence and a bar at the corner
"Coming in low is just something you have do when you're landing." -- Ted Striker
Surely you cannot be serious ?
Don't call me Shirly. I picked the wrong week to quit horse tranquilizers!
@@rixxy9204 shall we get you to a hospital? Why what is it ? Well it's a big building with doctors and patients in, but that's not important now....
You know it
🥀🇺🇸🥀
I read your comment and couldn’t stop laughing! Great sense of humor!
I suspect the Lancair was fast on approach too, after the bounce or even before should have done a go-around.
Hell of a way to ruin a perfectly good airplane. He appeared to be absolutely hauling ass and had plenty of energy to GA and try it again.
@@lbowskhe did not. The power lever broke. That’s also why he was too fast.
@@iMin00 Then why not put the prop in beta range as soon as he hit the ground?
It was only 10knots of cross by touchdown, wind is always stronger higher up.
Indeed. I paused the video and zoomed in. 10kts across at 50ft, zero wind at touchdown. Not exactly challenging!
yep - this channel sometimes has the dumbest quotes.
The Santos Dumont departure is very nice
My favorite is the Rio takeoff. I took off from that airport a couple times. That's not even Rio's main airport, but it is the most scenic.
Amazing indeed. Have you experienced a take-off at New York La Guardia? This is something, too.
That Lancair was sickening..... such a beautiful slick airplane. 😪
Wondering why no go around...
@@SirKober I'll bet the pilot is still saying the same thing.
the power lever broke
Swiss B777 wind on landing was only 8 knots from the 2o'clock position. So total crosswind component probably 4 knots.
How do you come up with 50 knots crosswind in the Swiss Clip? At the beginning you can see a wind of not more than 45 knots on the NAV display which equals a crosswind component of around 43 - 44 knots. And later on as they get closer to the runway the wind calms down to just round about 10 knots. And if you take into consideration, that the wind is coming from the front right, you get a crosswind component of round about 8 - 9 knots when overflying the runway treshhold. Not any second was there a crosswind of 50 knots during the whole clip
Extra 4 seconds of aviation today
I was there at Phuket yesterday! Unfortunately they were taking off towards the ocean, but I landed from this side and the weather was stormy. Quite a landing!
Nice to see the comparison between those approaches!
Really shows how low the Aeroflot was!
No, the camera wasn't at the same angle.
It looked like the video was taken from a lower position. @JohnyG29
Glad you liked it!
It is irrelevant what camera angle each was taken from. The first aeroplane was WAY below 50ft crossing the landing threshold. That makes it dangerously unstable, which should have lead to a go around.
"Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for flying with us today. I hope you have a pleasant day, welcome to Phuket."
"Captain, that's not how it's pronounced. Though I do now understand that landing you just did."
Can someone in the know suggest what went wrong with the Lancair LX7? I can see from the caption that it lost a bit of runway due to the bounce - but apart from that it seemed to come in faster than expected for a light aircraft, and then didn't seem to slow down very much at all. Based on the engine note - the rpm didn't seem to change much - am I correct in thinking the pilot didn't cut the engine? I'm interested to hear an expert take please!
Also, that seemed like a go-around would have easily saved the day (and a million dollar airplane), correct?
It looked like a downwind landing (I haven't checked if a windsock was visible) as the aircraft lost NO speed at all - and you're right, a go-around would have been the best choice.
I've seen that clip before. If I remember right, he came in to fast and should have just gone around. I think that was not his first attempt and he got frustrated and didn't want to go around again so he said f' it. Problem with standing on the brakes like that, when he locked up the wheels he lost most of his braking ability.
As I understand it he couldn’t get the prop into beta range which means he had thrust on throughout the rollout, should’ve gone around.
@@johnmorris7815 Ah. So it was correct that the engine revs didn't seem to drop, but the propeller pitch stayed in thrust instead of going into neutral or reverse? I guess maybe in that situation, once the pilot had selected the beta range, even though it wasn't happening it might have caused a decision-making conflict around whether to continue with the landing or to go around. If the prop-pitch actuators were malfunctioning there would be concern that neutral or reverse thrust could kick in at any moment (and after pulling the nose up, sudden loss of thrust could be catastrophic).
The knob fell off. No joke that’s the pilot’s excuse.
I bet a lot of people on that first plane were yelling "Phuket".
😂😂😂😂
That doesn't really make any sense
@@Sklounst_Actualyes it does
@@Emmettb08 Nah
@@Sklounst_Actualit’s probably a bad word in Russian
1:51 i like this sentence structure, where you start with the "importent" part wich is what to look for in the clip, and then after that you give the aircraft data and follow up info.
It's especially nice for us non-native english speakers that read a lot slower and some times have trouble reading all the text before it goes away.
You can slow down the playback speed in the settings. I find it quite helpful.
the Aeroflot T73/ER is every plane spotters dream :-) !! can`t get too low enough :-)
Your videos are the only ones I can hit a thumbs up BEFORE I view it LOL
Awesome episode!
The Swiss 777 landed with 10 kts cross wind you can see on the ND. Above 1000ft was 40 kts.
Love your garden! Nice job!
Great video!
Wonderful videos as always! The runway excursion one... was that bloke playing golf next to the runway😅?
Gardening, I thought. He was more chilled than I would have been!
@chrispop99 yes that would be a very big golf club looking at it now
Right, airfields are perfect for it
@@FunYl Google golf course at Bangkok Airport, its as close as this video!
I like flying in and out rof Rio's Santos Dumont airport. You get an excellent view of the city and the magnificent scenery.
Nice video!
great capturing.
Best 3m I’ve ever seen and I’ve seen almost all of them
Awesome 👌 Greetings from Helsinki
Thank you! Cheers!
0:36: The Lancair LX7 crash occurred on 11 November 2023 at Aero Country Airport (T31) in McKinney, Texas. According to news reports, the motorist sustained minor injuries but the pilot and passenger in the LX7 were not injured. The NTSB preliminary report for accident number CEN24LA037
is worth reading.
Door seal fail, throttle knob unscrewed and came off, failed to go beta. Maintenance issues will get you, but there is no way that the pilot shouldn't have noticed the knob was loose.
Bounced, then applied brakes half way down the runway.
Pilot error, anyone?
@@ifly135yup. Touched down too fast.
Some of those remind me of my first few weeks of MSFS.
Thanks!
Nice video
Thank you for the credits! Anytime again! Cheers,Dominic
Thanks for the cool videos you have, keep them coming 😍
Very cool! 😁👍
Nah. That "nominal landing" was taken at a different angle at a different spot and that made it look higher than the other landing.
The Aeroflot 777 wasn’t even that low, it is the perspective. The first clip is filmed from higher compared to the second clip which is almost at sea level and also different angle.
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Good. Thanks.
nice!
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Pilots are awesome…. Most of them! ❤
"Plane descends too low" to land. That would be underground.
A 50 knot crosswind with the nose pointing straight down the runway. Amazing. No yaw.
That flaperon was working really hard. So much work.
And here's a plane taking off, filmed by the -hijacker- flight engineer.
There was NO 50 knot crosswind. If you check the instruments, the wind was from about 40 degrees to the right of the nose, 194 degrees at 11 knots, which means, there was virtually no crosswind, in other words, it was a piece of cake. At 50 knots direct crosswind, you see the runway off your side window and not directly in front of you.
Well, the crosswind on approach was ~45kt but during the landing itselft it was 10kt at most, so the title is kinda misleading and that's why there is almost no yaw. Crosswind limit on the B777 is 38kt so you'll never see an actual landing with 50kt crossind ;)
@@tomlee7956 pretty much what I said xD
@@theozonloch You might see an actual landing with a 50kt crosswind because the 38kt is maximum demonstrated and thus, it is not limiting.
@@tomlee7956 I know it's a reference but I can guarantee you that no pilot would land in a 50kt crosswind. And in most cases airlines SOPs are inline with the recommendatios from the manufacturer
Pilots are so cool
The first two were taken from different vantage points and were about the same hight.
Lve the video
Pause at 0:21 and measure the distance between engine and fence (not even ground). The engine diameter is around 3.3 meters. I clearly see that 2 engines can stack up and fit on top of the fence. This gives us around 6.6m, which is 20 feet.
Perspective.🛫
О, наш Аэрофлот первым приземляется))) Красота))
"Captain, you need to approach a but higher!"
"Oh, Phuket..."
Time 01:13 and on. Where is the sidewind? The land with the node straight forward as it looks.
Love the 1st video trying to show the difference in approach from two different angles. To me I think they were both the same.
The first pilot was like “my approach is off, Phuket”
The Texas airport seems to have a busy road much to close, with minimal barriers?
I appreciate that this is located in “Fuck it”, Thailand. Makes sense.
1-The different position of the camera makes not a good comparison; 2-50 knots crosswind?; 3-those camber flaps always work a lot, even in normal conditions (the external ailerons only work at low speeds, nowadays), they are less powerful than external ailerons because of less
momentum
50ktz X wind without any crabing that is the joke of the week 😂
Was that a car hitting that plane after it left the runway?
Nope, probably just a big cow doing 55.
@@--SPQR-- I hate speeding cows.
Crazy
**in the ER*
Doc: What happened to you?
Patient: I got bopped upside the head with a 777 tire.
Doc: WTF
2:39 - runway heading. C'MON. You can make it.
That didn’t look like a crosswind landing at all. At 50 knots of crosswind, the runway wouldn’t be at 12 o’clock. It would be visible out the side window.
The 787's autopilot fighting turbulence to keep the plane stable is doing more than just keeping the wings level. In the 787 the ailerons also act as "direct lift" devices to counter increases and decreases of lift due to up and downdrafts, thus smoothing the ride, acting like the suspension of a car.
Fascinating. That was my favorite part of this video
It’s the flaperons and elevator which move to reduce the effects of turbulence. It’s called gust load suppression. Supposedly helps to reduce airsickness by a factor of 8! The ailerons are locked out at high speed, so the flaperons and spoilers provide roll control in the cruise.
@@RomeoJulietCharlie ... Thank you for correcting me. This "piece of control surface", that is, the "aileron" between the inboard flap and the outboard flap, was called "high speed aileron" in older models like the 727 and 747 (among others). And I am older so... 🙂. In those planes the outboard aileron (called "low speed aileron") was also locked at high speed and the "high-speed aileron" would do the rolling together with the spoilers. At low speed, high-speed aileron, low-speed aileron and spoilers would work together for roll control. The difference was that this high-speed aileron would not deflect together with the flaps when extending them. In the 787 (and 777) it does, hence "flaperon", as you said. But we were both talking about the same control surface.
@@adb012 thanks for the info! I never did get to fly the 747. We were retiring it, unfortunately, so I went down the 777 then 787 route after about a decade on little Airbuses.
@@RomeoJulietCharlie ... I never flew the 747 either, or the 727, or anything with more than 1 piston engine... 🙂.
Hey, derailing the conversation, it's not every day that I have the chance to chat with someone that flew A and B. Quick silly survey 1) Sidestick or yoke? 2) Airbus's or Boeing's approach to FBW?
Non aviation guy here but I love the videos. Question: when landing is the voice giving the distance in meters or feet?
Feet, apparently.
Poor Lance, by the numbers baby.
Strictly speaking that's not the autopilot manipulating control surfaces itself, but the flight computer simply maintaining stability.
Unbelievable!
The humble flaperon works extremely hard whilst passengers sleep comfortably on their seats.
Aeroflot allowed to land in Thailand? Or old video?
1:05 - the people in that car can say "I was in an airplane accident," and we weren't even in the plane! Scary!
oh wow
Stood on that beach many times and lots of planes come in really low though I think that one takes the biscuit
1:25 notice the lack of crazy fast and excessive control inputs.
777 X-wind limit is 38kts - The wind direction/speed indicator on the navigation display shows 11kts of crosswind for that approach & not 50kts. Clickbait.
When we had rough air at cruise two things happened quickly....auto pilot turned off and speed was reduced. You let the aircraft go and gently corrected the pitch and roll.
At 0:55, I still can't believe there's a road at the end of the runway
The second one is funny 😂
Why did the Boeing 777 300ER blush?
Because it saw the runway threshold and approached below it to fast!
0:37 To be fair to the pilot, it's hard to land when the heat index is 101105.
I never noticed how much Boeing's landing altitude voice sounds like Hank Hill
A St. Maarten landing for when you aren't at St. Maarten landing.
Lancair was a throttle handle coming off. Not late braking
The SWISS 777-300ER clip would have been more interesting if the camera had stabilized on the cockpit, instead of the landscape outside the cockpit screen. :-)
isn't the maximum crosswind component for Boeing 777-300 something like 38 kn?
37 if my memory serves me correctly. Max demonstrated. I don't think that was anywhere near 30 let alone 50knots Xwind
@@lbowsk yeah, the yaw factor didn't look that severe. And I don't know of any plane that is certified for 50 knot crosswind.
50 kt crosswind? The nav display shows single digit wind velocity in the flare. 😂
The Lancair @ 0:50 the only option at this point is a "Go Around", the pilot should know from the calculations and landing performance charts that after a certain point there would not be enough runway to stop safely, the pilot just pushed a very bad position into an almost fatal one, bad choice.
I think the Aeroflot 777 was fine; different camera angles distort the appearance.
The Swiss had a 50kt crosswind at the start of the approach, 10kts across at 50ft and zero wind at touchdown. Hardly ‘challenging’.
LX7 crash was needless. Go around!
The lancair landing looked like brake failure. Look at the smoke coming out of it
Hmmmmm, don’t think that was 50 kts of crosswind. During flare the wind was quartering down to less than 10.
I personally have never seen an plane crash on this channel for all the videos I have watched. @0:39 seems like a plane crash. WOW Hopefully no one got hurt badly. WOW
1:09 …. 50kt on final but wind calm during flare, no wind on ND !
0:41 hasnt this clip made the rounds several times already?
0:52 11 November 2023 ?
"aircraft experienced pressurization problems shortly after reaching FL250. A rapid descent was conducted, and the airplane continued towards its destination. ... It overran the runway, and struck an occupied moving car on the road.
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Aeroflot, more than 80 years! 🗿
Didn’t know Aeroflot was still operating in Thailand
That wasn’t 50 kts crosswind!