Tragic Turbulence: What Went Wrong on the Heathrow to Singapore Flight | This Morning
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2024
- Passengers onboard a flight from London Heathrow to Singapore experienced every holiday-maker’s worst nightmare - when the flight hit severe turbulence leaving one British passenger dead, and several others injured. But how rare is this type of turbulence? And should you be concerned about your next flight? We’re joined by commercial airline pilot Mike Davies, alongside former cabin crew Charmaine Davies who says this should serve as a reminder of why passengers should always keep their seatbelts securely fastened.
Broadcast on 22/05/2024
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I love that the pilot clarified the 6,000ft descent. Thank you.
Hear, hear!
I have been wondering about what altitude changes were controlled vs caused by unexpected turbulence ... thanks for educating, clarifying.
Media click bait as usual. And they try so hard to link it to "climate change"
It's because a journalist took the flightradar 24 data and didn't understand what they were looking at and ran away with it without first checking or clarifying. Then every other news outlet echoed that believing that was true... Sometimes, the lack of due diligence by some journalists scares me.
Those journalists are so misleading. Now thousands of people will start saying a plane can drop like a rollercoaster !
Seatbelts on at all times. The cabin crew is at higher risk. They’re constantly walking up and down the aisle to make sure we’re safe and preparing meals on top of that.
Everyone should know this if they have been on a flight
The seatbelt signs were off when this happened. Flight attendants were serving meals and all, in this case how can you expect people to keep seatbelts on all the time
I have seen so many people flying from Caada to Europe and to Africa not obeying the seat belt signs, not putting their chairs upright when landing the crew has to tell them over and over and I will be in my seat saying to myself this is not your house obey the crew
Exactly. You flying into another space which you really can’t control.
I still can't believe they serve meals!! They are true aircraft experts, they do so much training and we treat them like sandwich ladies. I feel like they should all be there for safety and passenger control. That may require more staff specfically for food, which means less profit. Maybe. Some flights are like a zoo. Kids running around, people splayed out all over the place. Feet poking out. Seat belts?? Hardly ever worn.
I love Pilots...they're so fkn cool. They talk facts, cut through the BS drama and hyperbole and have a good sense of humor. My dad was a pilot....I miss him so dearly!
god bless him and you
Captain has beautifully explained what pilots do in turbulence. He has reassured nervous flyers like me that not every drop is an imminent crash. Although our brain thinks it is.
They have been known to do that even if a crash is imminent
There's never been a plane lost to turbulence itself and cruising altitude. Wake turbulence has caused accidents, but those involved pilot error - like the one out of JFK caused by the co-pilot who overused his rudder pedals and broke the vertical stabilizer off.
nervous flyers shouldnt fly
@@southendbosair asia, air france a330 ... poor decision making or entering into the proximity off Thunderstorms at high altitude will almost destroy an acft if the crew fly threw it, can also cause flight control issues and if an unskilled pilot is up there or an over worked underpaid and unrested pilot is there you can kiss your bottoms goodbye
@@BamOn742 how can you kiss your bottom? Can you reach it?
BIG RESPECT TO THAT PILOT 🙂🙂🙂🙂👍👍👍👍 WHAT A DECENT MAN !!!!
The 40 years experience of piloting, this man certainly has seen and experiened alot of weather conditions that most of us have not.
Yeah but hates having his cuppa tea spilled. SERIOUSLY!!
I was gonna say the same.. The pilot is there, and all of a sudden, everyone is an expert
@@robertgrieve6890 he was obviously joking😂
The pilots at the cockpit have done a good job, to weather thru this unexpected turbulence! Bravo for their steadiness.
More than just good but I get your point
If they had done a good job they wouldn't have flown thru a thunderstorm!
knowing that the pilots are in communication with eachother on their own frequency actually makes me feel a lot more comfortable to fly
Yes it always happens especially in transatlantic flights since they have to ensure their path in the air streams
These 'Interviewers' clearly dont know what they are talking about, I'm glad that pilot was there to explain it to them.
I disagree. I felt they asked good questions that both airline personnel were able to answer clearly.
Yes agree Ben and Cat are great interviewers. @@christinechisholm3022
It’s the interviewers’ job to ask the simple and obvious questions on behalf of their viewers. Remember, things have to be explained in layman’s terms.
In order to do so, however, you must prepare thoroughly.
It’s up to the interviewees to provide the answers. For that to happen, interviewers sometimes have to deliberately pretend to misunderstand in order to get a better response. They need to serve as constant reminders that the audience are ordinary people, not experts familiar with jargon.
But the interviewer shouldn’t spout-off non-factual inaccuracies
@@jmw0368 such as?
Typical media making a huge song and dance about it. Thanks to the pilot for keeping it real.
Would you rather them not talk about it? And suppress the information?
Such a bizarre comment. Don’t watch.
Well, dude, it is a big deal what happened!! Retired pilot said he has not seen anything like this in 40 years of flying. !
Desperate for pilot to blame ‘climate change’…..
1 dead. 6 in ICU, another 100 hospitalised. Why wouldn't the media report it?
The pilot called the hosts out on their bs about the plane plunging 6,000 feet....
I’m so proud of all the pilots and crew that look after everyone in the air
I didn't like the body language of the 2 hosts when mentioning the death of a passenger. They looked too casual , insincere and completely without any sense of respect. Shame.
It was a heart incident which does happen unfortunately
The onslaught of the summer monsoon was particularly abrupt. People in Nepal have been saying it's more pronounced than ever. The combination of this monsoon weather and the normal jet streams seems to have created this abrupt instability
Also the pilot repeating they avoid turbulence ‘purely for comfort’ isnt very appropriate when the whole reason you’re talking about turbulence is someone’s death
This pilot flew us home yesterday from the Caribbean!! We encountered 3+ hours of turbulence and he was very reassuring
Only last year, Hawaiian Airlines had an event of severe turbulence and people were severely injured. The overhead bins and the ceiling above the seats were broken due to passengers hitting their heads. I'm not sure why that event did not get the media attention this event has. That convinced me to keep my seatbelt fastened, even though not as tight as I have it during take off and landing. I'm glad this is being discussed globally.
It didnt reach the news because your media does not share.
probably because a person died on this flight, media didn't care as much about the hawaiian one. wouldn't surprise me with media in 2024
So, you were one of those who, didn't respect the Seat Belt ,sign.
I never removed my belt,just loosen.
@@karensayer3089 Has nothing to do with disrespecting the sign, because the captain shuts off the seatbelt sign, if you have ever traveled long haul as I usually do.
@@blureader1164 It has always been said to keep your seatbelts on even if the seatbelt sign is off unless you need to go to the loo or temporarily adjust. If the seatbelt sign is on, you should not even be going to the loo.
The female host is making a weird grimace as if someone just spilled coffee over her shirt, and the female flight attendant is actually grinning like a Cheshire cat. A person died! But hey it's just one....not enough to at least pretend to put a sad face on. unbelievable. I hope that gentleman's family never get's to see this video.
Yeah really strange.
Couldn’t agree more typical of this show
Glad you said this as well, I only got 5 seconds in before I had to comment, she doesnt care but is pretending to. Wish youtube autoplay didnt recommend me this garbage
British television presenters are the worst 😂
First thing I noticed.
5:47 Thank you for confirming this. I’m an avgeek myself, training to be a pilot soon, and the amount of people I had to explain that a plane can’t just plunge is insane. So thank you!
News anchors love to dramatise and it gets really annoying sometimes. It’s scaring people at this point and isn’t even true!
I have suddenly become a nervous flyer. It’s really spoiling what I used to enjoy. How can I get back to enjoying flying again, a bit of turbulence or the take off sends my in to a panic
@@Ladybird22373 Just know that severe turbulence is very rare, especially to this extent. The plane can easily take it too, so no need to fear it’ll fall apart. ;)
@@Ladybird22373 , Long flights, put your seat belt all the time and go to sleep.
@@LeeAviation isn’t take off the riskiest part .
@@judymckee5992 if only Judy . I now spend the whole time as if I’m on a white knuckle ride 😬
High respect to all the cabin crews, because in cases of severe emergencies they are always the last person to leave the aircraft and ensuring that all passengers has been evacuated. ❤❤
Well second to last. After The Commander.
Thank you to the pilots and aircrew, did an amazing job 👏👏
So unfortunate and tragic. May the elderly gentleman RIP and condolences to his loved ones.
I'm so glad this pilot made the point out the fact about the media and this includes the main stream media dramatizing advents like what has happened , this pilot pointed out the facts and told it like it is and not dramatised reporting so good on this pilot and the air hostess explaining and not creating drama where is not needed and to leave your seat belt on at all times ,I to have experienced bad turbulence many years ago, nothing to what we have seen here but still it was very bad, so glad im a person who leaves there seat belt on when in a plane always , it's very sad what has happened to everyone on this flight, R.I.P to the gentleman who passed away our sincere condolences to his wife, family and friends , to all who were injured we wish you all the very best recoveries 🇦🇺
I literally just got over my fear of flying and the he says that ‘ you are in an aluminium tube that can’t support life outside’
Ofcourse it cant support you outside the plane at 35,000ft its very cold up there!
@@Ruby-gs7ch yeah, I know that I just don’t wanna hear it
- An its true.... bit of aluminium is all that keeps us alive (that and a well designed bird) thankfully we have trained Pilots like him, seems like a good bloke... as Superman said - statistically speaking - its still the safest was to travel - Dont worry hopefully you will get over the fear of flying :)
@@lynand2967 lool I tell myself that superman quote every time I get on a plane
That's true and trust his 40 years of flying aircraft.
What's with the disrespectful smiling, mugging and joking around , no just no ❤
Well said .
Exactly
they won't know what it feels like unless it happens to them or their loved ones...
Life goes on
It's better than face making with crocodile tears
Did anyone notice the stain mark on the right sleeve of this lady newscaster? Did she spilled her drink during the turbulence in the studio? :0
Thank you, I appreciated hearing from a pilot and air hostess. I was once on a flight, seatbelt light was on and we were told some turbulence was ahead. I saw the food trolley jump about half a meter off the floor, the air hostess did an amazing job hanging on to stop it hitting anyone.
This pilot with his eyes closed when he’s speaking isn’t the most reassuring thing 😅
He is used to wearing sun glasses so the studio lights are probably hurting his eyes.
Don’t criticise. He’s of age. Respect him.
He’s just looking down the invisible instrument panel. Comes naturally.
That is not an indication of anything, it’s just a mannerism for heaven sake!
Respect
thanks so much for that experienced pilot for his input, it was so so so insightful! and thanks to the hosts for asking all the important questions, all my queries on the SG321 flight incident was addressed via this interview
for those of use living in the SEA region, we have been experiencing heavy thunderstorms several times over this past 3-4weeks...erratic weather of high temperatures for several days followed by heavy rains or heavy thunderstorms.
Thank you for this. We need to hear more professional voices in events/times/coverages like this :)
It is Southwest Monsoon season from May-October, as we learned it from our Geography text book in 1980.
Exactly.
Good clarification. Excellent interview. Pilots answers, helped us to understand dynamics of the situation. His calmness ,professionalism is reassuring, encouraging to Fly and not be afraid, especially his explanation of 6000 ft drop, it was not drop bust descent. See how much different it makes. All this applies to Air hostess as well. Both should to be on all news media covering this incident. Thank you so much. God bless👍🙏
Thanks for this video. Much needed from the expert.
He flew through a storm, it was not CAT. A thunderstorm has huge updrafts and Dow drafts and top out at over 50,000ft…. I flew past that weather earlier that day…. Glad you have a pilot who knows what he’s talking about. It was a storm and when you fly into a storm that’s a big storm it’s like hitting a brick wall….please learn to report this correctly
Love that he clarified the ‘plunged 6000ft’! They didn’t plunge, that was a controlled decent over 3 minutes to find smoother air 🙌!
The first time i ever flew alone at the age of 13 i was flying back home to london from China and my flight took off and after literally five or ten minutes we started being thrown around by turbulence and this carried on and on for around two hours. Even as a child flying without mum and dad for the first this didnt particularly bother me but i remember other people crying. I remember once the cabin crew were released from their seats (once the turbulence stopped) the lady in charge of my care came to make sure i was ok and not scared or freaking out which i just thought was very kind. Once the plane landed i remember sending an email to my friend and her family back in shanghai and they told me that the airport literally closed about 30 mins after i took off because a freak monsoon storm had swept over china. If we hadnt have had seatbelts on injuries could have happened so easily!
I remember Mike from when we both worked for an airline in the 90's. Good to see he's alive and well. Great guy and a brilliant pilot. I owe him a lot.
Such wonderful insights.
The question is also about releasing historic data on turbulence frequency and severity and how that is changing, if at all. You can't on the one hand have extreme weather events occurring everywhere, temperatures already considerably risen speeding up wind, and then expect that there would be no risk to flights. Communicate what the risks are to flights as temperatures rise and how we intend to improve how we fly to navigate those risks. Private companies simply have to be made to have plans around this, otherwise they'll push the risk to us to protect their shareholders.
An analogy I've heard to gauge turbulence is the coffee method. If your coffee is sloshing round within the cup its light, if its sloshing out of the cup its medium, if you cant find the cup its severe.
Tbh I always keep my seat belt fastened when on a plane ✈️ for that exact reason I only remove if I have to use the toilet and fasten when I return. Tbh it’s something that’s always made sense to me as I wouldn’t sit in the passenger seat of car without one fastened. Sad 😢 that ppl were injured and one passed away . Loved the pilot 👨✈️ explaining everything properly, rather than the news stations saying 6000 feet .
When will people stop saying "it dropped 6,000 feet". That didn't happen, it descended after encountering severe turbulence.
Avoid thunderstorms/ cumulonimbus clouds, and crossing jet streams at cruise and you will usually be fine. Can’t do much about weather at airports. If the crosswind or visibility isn’t good, go around and divert.
LOST HIS LIFE, not their life.
When I’ve flown, I noticed that Pilots & cabin crew often look tired & older than their years… I think the poor dry air quality in planes plus the jet lag probably causes premature aging!😢
Also more cosmic radiation from outer space, composed of high velocity protons travelling close to the speed of light. As bad as a LONG X- ray.
As a sim racer i know just how dangerous the slip stream is.
It's incredibly powerful braking outside the slip, acceleration in it, and rotation off centres of the cut open air slit.
It completely changes how you should drive in order to handle and use it to advantage and most importantly SAFELY.
This is the only sensible news coverage I have seen on this incident. Thanks Pilot for breaking it down without scaring us, unlike what the rest of the media is doing.
Brilliant.good questions. Good answers. Professional. Stay safe. Listen
.amazing pilot explaining it all.
Was the airplane entering or leaving after riding within the Jetstream. C.A.T clear air turbulence is on the edges of the Jetstream.
actually had this captain give a tour of a british airways 747 at dunsfold such a nice down to earth guy and through all his years of flight has gained so much knowledge and passed it to us as he took us around the queen of the skies ✈
The pilot here, saying he's never known of people hitting the ceiling didn't work in the cabin at the back. I worked as a flight attendant for 43 years, and have experienced pretty severe turbulence over the years and have known of flights where my colleagues and passengers have hit the ceiling in clear air turbulence. I myself have experienced two incidents of clear air turbulence, although not quite to this degree, but enough to mess up a galley, as seen here. I also believe there does exist more turbulence than in the past. I don't remember as much occurring in the 80s as now; I've definitely seen an uptick over the last 15 or 20 years
Look at the amount of flights now vs back then. You will hear more due to volume not due to the frequency being higher. We have an insane amount of flights every day these days.
subjective. FO here for SAS 25 years and not experienced.
But thanks to waitresses like you, you make it safe for everyone including the crew.
Stay safe and happy flying!
@@islandcactus1508 Thats very disrespectful never call cabin crew waitresses we are there for the passengers safety and im crew as well and have experianced where we had severe turbulence and i hit my head on the ceiling. its doesnt happen often but it can be very dangerous for passengers and especially crew so next time you mention crew dont refer to us a waitresses
Well educated pilot and Charmaine beautiful thank you for explaining
I hope those people on that flight make a speedy recovery.
Why does the pre fight demo always have to be done when the engines of the plane are roaring the plane is usually backing up and we are distracted and we can’t hear anything?? I can honestly see why people don’t pay attention in those circumstances..
Theres a safety info card. READ IT
They do have the monsoon season in the far east. Some invaluable tips given by the pilot and the air stewardess. Lovely to see Cat Deeley as a presenter.
I flew Singapore Airlines Heathrow to NZ. The flight back to Heathrow was really bumpy!! But kept calm.
This senior pilot makes me comfortable he's very calm and knows the game.
Will reducing speed reduce turbulence? I sometimes wonder if the pilots can reduce the speed when the plane hits turbulence. In this case, was there anything the pilots could have done?
🙏 That is a simple & easy to understand explanation of the severe air turbulence ( Air Pocket ) & it's effects & impacts by our experienced Captain Mike Davies & Flight Stewardess Charmaine Davies ... 🙏 Deepest condolences to the families & friends of the late Mr Geoff Kitchen who had passed away from heart complications onboard the fated SIA Flight SQ321 flying from London to Singapore & hit by severe air turbulence over Myanmar ( Burma ) on Tuesday / 21stMay2024 around 3pm local time & made an emergency landing at Bangkok International Airport ... May Mr Geoff Kitchen be blessed to a Better World & Realm ... 🙏 Special Thank You So Much to the quick thinking SIA crew & the Bangkok International Airport emergency crew for their professionalism & prompt actions in helping those patients when they needed the help the most! Wishing Speedy Recovery to the injured ... 🙏🕯🌼🌿🌏✌🕊🇸🇬🇬🇧🇹🇭🇦🇺
Every flight around Mt. Everett, it’s scary. I went to Nepal while I was a flight attendant and that flight was unforgettable 🥲🥲🥹
The Pilot in this video explains very well all the factors attributed to Turbulence .
The entire nation of Sun reading boomers are now repeating that 'air is like a fluid' on their lunchbreak..
Tbf air is a fluid
A fluid is just a liquid or a gas. Simple high school physics
Bravo to the pilots who handled the sudden disastrous turbulence by diverting and landing safely. They have done a brilliant job having had saved the lives of the passengers and the crews. My deepest condolence to the family who lost their family member. With reference to the clear turbulence, apart from the monsoon season as explained by the guest pilot, in my view there could be another contributing factor which no one is talking about. Singapore Airlines flight SQ321, London Heathrow to Singapore, took off at 10.37pm on Monday 20/05/2024 night . It appears that the Boeing 777-300 encountered CLEAR AIR TURBULENCE over the Bay of Bengal, south of the southern tip of Myanmar. In my view, the clear air turbulence could be the effect of the Mount Ibu VOLCANO eruption in Jakarta, Indonesia on 19/05/2024, because the ATMOSPHERIC AIR DENSITY in the region would have been affected by the VOLCANO eruption.
‘Crude graphic’?! Your marketing department will be having words!! 😂
I’ve always kept my seatbelt on when flying and noticed that many other passengers do not!
Yeah I will from now on even if I don't keep it on so tight
And sadly, they’ll land on top of you in a turbulence incident and hurt you! Very selfish.
Also cabin crew. You do an amazing job.
My twin sister and myself were on the same flight two weeks earlier and we had a fair bit of turbulence and we were glad to get back on the ground. Obviously nothing like this flight but it does make you think!
I flew to Bangkok two days ago, best flight I ever had!
It would be awful to be using the toilet at such a time.
Imagine the poo poo flying all over the place.
Remember flying on an internal flight from miami to Orlando in a thunder storm a nightmare flight I looked at my friend and said if we die we die.
He looks very nice guy he did all his best thank you sir ❤️
From Aviation Herald...
According to ADS-B data the speed over ground of the aircraft dropped rapidly by about 20 knots prior to starting the (controlled) descent from FL370 to FL310. The data also reveal the aircraft had experienced an altitude deviation of -100/+300 feet about 350nm westnorthwest of Bangkok while enroute at FL370 over Myanmar about 15 minutes earlier.
Not being a great flyer I always have slight trepidation of crossing the Bay of Bengal on the Singapore-Uk flight, now do Melbourne to Uk via Dubai👌
How do you " watch" through the window at nights?
My first flight was 1964 from Hong Kong to Manila. The flight was like riding the roller coaster. It was think it drop thousands of feet and rise up so fast. I was 15 years old it was so scary 😱😱😱
Do you want one tired pilot on his own in the middle of the night? They are proposing single pilot operations now in the cruise. If the remaining one pilot needs the bathroom then he is to leave the autopilot in and hope an incident doesn’t happen like this with no one in the flight deck. Time to push back and tell the manufacturers and airlines that we don’t want this.
If one pilot goes to the toilet, a fa must be in the flight deck with pilot. At no time is 1 pilot alone in the fd never pass strict faa rules and regulations in the USA
At the moment that is correct. BUT if you read my post I say “they are proposing”. Google Reduced Crew Operations. They are being pushed at this very moment through certification starting with the A350F with the support of airlines and manufacturers. FACT.
Here comes the media drama. This event is so rare it’s not worth counting. Average airliner can descend at rates of 3000 feet or more, you don’t feel it because it’s planned not immediately. Very unfortunate for those involved but keeping your seat belt on while seated eliminates this risk. Cabin crew are there for your safety not to serve you drinks.
on a flight to rhodes greece from birmingham airport we had to drop 3000 ft we were told before it was going to happen because of the turbulence from the UK
I flew the same path only a week before. We had turbulence which our legs was going side to side. And a few bumps.. but nothing like this flight had. So sad that a man died. Everyone thoughts are with his family. 😢 I will always wear my belt from now on. Maybe the airlines should supply some sort of helmet ⛑️ or cushion above, just a thought. For some people if thay want them.
I had bad turbulence BA 9, LHR-BKK, January 1998. Was belted in.
I loved the part the pilot said media dramatised it😅..good one...
Very unfortunate. SQ is my favorite airline. Whenever I get the opportunity to fly with them, I do so. My last flight was in March from New York City to Vietnam and back with a layover in Singapore. I always keep my seatbelt on the entire time I am seated or my bed is in the lie flat position.
When on a plane I always think I am in the flying aluminum tube in the life unfriendly environment and hence I can never relax enough to sleep. 😂
Dam now flying is gonna be more stressfull knowing events like this could happen
Totally!!!! Esp when it’s random events
These pilots are so smart and intelligent ❤❤❤❤
10 hour flight from London to Heathrow.
Heathrow is London!
round trip!
From London to Heathrow?
Kudos to pilot, but condolences to the 1 that have a heart attack. Suddenly drop 6000 feet, that could be behind the a380 plane jet stream or microburst, I have been watching all air crash investigation season, some case are related to microburst that are very hard to detect.
they did not drop 6000ft. they drop a few hundred ft. 6000ft is a controlled decent
A friend has anxiety about the turbulance. It is dreadful to him. He does not like to encounter it in the holiday flight. Hope the news will not make him more anxious!
Something not mentioned about the pre-flight safety brief. Regardless of how many times you've flown, if you have recently gone throguht he safety procedures for the aircraft, it will be fresher in your mind should an incident occur. Also, conveniently just before one of the highest risk phases of flight, the take off. Personally I like to count headrests between myself and the exit in front as well as the exit behind so I could find the exit if visibility is poor in the cabin and have another read of the card on the descent
Safest form of transport yeah but probably the most terrifying way to go if it goes wrong that far from the ground.
When they talked about there being "more" turbulence lately - I would guess that in actuality there are simply more flights going on than ever before. So the incidences of turbulence are also going to increase accordingly.
0:25 that face expression, fake expression of how terrifying experience it was, oh good please take away people from public tv that act like ticktock star.😂
gentleman good pilot.good explanation.
Keep your seat belt on. Very clear message you are given every time
Was on a Cape Town to Windhoek - South West Africa flight, when we hit a 'pocket' and fell some distance...
An Italian gent sat next to me and my friend... He'd already imbibed some 'relaxant' and was hilariously funny...
Was scarey... But Italian man kept us focused and laughing...
“From London to Heathrow” 0:05
Question we should ask has wind patterns change when you re crossing over northern to southern hemisphere and role of climate change since we have 153 extreme cases
Geez..the plane didn't "drop" 6000 feet...it was a controlled decent of 6000 feet over 3 minutes. Thats 2000 feet a minute....hmm same thing happens when you land.
Yes, because the pilots were preparing for emergency landing.
Amazing how this pilot can fly planes with his eyes being closed 50% of the time
condolences sa mga family na sa passengers flight Singapore (turbulence case)
lol. bet this morning asked him to come dressed in a captains shirt
he had to find one from the costume store
thought the same lol
topman@@markmckeown87
Why not? He's there in his professional capacity.