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The biggest rivalry in world rugby in the World Cup final | WEDNESDAY NIGHT RUGBY
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- Опубликовано: 24 окт 2023
- Journalists Gerry Thornley and Ruaidhri O'Connor joined Joe Molloy to look ahead to the Rugby World Cup final, the clash between the biggest rivals in world rugby, the All Blacks and the Springboks.
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As a kiwi the All Blacks symbolize NZ,they have been kicking for over a hundred years,we all grew up watching them,and cheering them on and the Sprinboks are our greatest foe,will be a terrific game
Love it!! Make it another 24 year drought for the Northern Hemisphere!! Go ABs!! Go Boks!!
24 would be too short mate. Let’s aim higher.
@Zion66666 love that even more!!
@@Zion66666 @Gumboot_City_NZ Get a room, ladies. 😂😂😂😂
The SA vs England Rivalry is largely based on historical bad blood, so probably not too dissimilar to the Irish. Or the Scottish. Or the Welsh. Or the French.
Bu the SA vs NZ rivalry is 100% a sports one. It's probably fairly comparable to sibling rivalry actually. 2 Brothers beating the ship out of each-other to prove who's tougher.
100% for this AB fan, nothing but total respect for our greatest rivals in the Bokke!
Ggs to both great teams and yes our greatest Rival without a shadow of a doubt love from New Zealand
If you look at the history of test matches between South Africa and New Zealand from 1921 up until 1996 all the games were super close.
Well said
Yes, it's a huge rivalry between the AB'S & the Boks, but there is also a huge respect for each other, among the fans and especially among the players. Absolutely in the spirit of our amazing game. Good luck to both teams, saying this as an AB'S supporter.
As a Bok supporter, I know the ABs are peaking just at the right time. As Saffas we relish the challenge to face the best of all time! We have BIG respect for the ABs.
Respect goes both ways. The all blacks wouldn’t be the all blacks without the Boks rivalry. Your are great team and all the best for the weekend
ABSOLUTELY ABs
same here bro
what about the food poisoning of the All blacks in the 95 world cup??? imagine playing the All blacks when your very sick?? the wouldn't be 13-9 it'll be 78-3
@@danielgardiner7386nope take it from me an actual ex rugby player from south Auckland its not the rivalry that makes the All blacks what they are its their talents and youth it isnt the coach
The first speaker just highlighted why this win is the greatest win by any team in the history of rugby!! GREATEST RUGBY NATION IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND!!!
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As a Mighty All Black's fan for 53 years my second favourite team is the Boks.
I was glad after we failed and the Boks won in 2007 and 2019...
Me too! This was the final where I wish there could've been 2 winners!
SA vs NZ is more than rugby - this rivalry helped dismantle apartheid and caused a major growing pain in NZ society as our red squad police units battoned our protestors. Its time to celebrate the power of this rivalry to change both nations.
It's like a funeral in there 😂😂😂
I think the northen hemisphere's problem is that they think inthe terms of '' this was Irelands best team ever. If they don't make it this time when will they'' where as the southern hemisphere teams expect to win it even when they arem't at their best.
It's all about mentality
Underrated comment this. This was wodely regarded as the worst all blacks team ever, but any other kiwi i talked to felt the same way i did, anything short of winning the world cup was a failed competition. Theres no shame in losing to south africa, but 2nd place isnt good enough for an All Blacks team. Thats the difference in mindset that youre talking about. The same would go for the springboks im sure.
Well said what about the British lions
Spot on comment. It’s the mentality. Same reason Johnny Sexton missed that easy pen while Pollard slots a 50m.
I think its all about being held up over the line with like 6 minutes left on the clock. The Irish team expected to win it. Now or never was the media take on it.
@vanrensburgarchitecturebim1641 there really weren't many other choices having lost their opening game.
Wait what...Springboks and AB's are rivals? Hmmm with insight like this I must rush over and become a member for more ground breaking commentary.
Fiji, Japan, Ireland, Portugal & Pumas have been awesome the last 12 years France & Wales to.
..MIGHTY ALLBLACKS & SPRINGBOKS always rise higher its in there history & in Blood. Congratulations all & THE MIGHTY BEST TWO RUGBY TEAMS
Can wait for the match this weekend. Huge respect to the ABs.
That great semi-final in 2015 SA vs NZ went to the wire 20-18. NZ blew maybe all other teams away, but not SA.
Correct, the team with all the legendary players named here managed to pip a relatively young SA side which had young players in that matchday squad by the names of Malherbe, Louw, Etsebeth, de Jager, Kholisi, Vermeulen, Kriel, de Allende, Le Roux, and Nyakane. With the exception of Louw(retirement) and de Jager(illness), eight of the ten became double WRC winners!
Fun Fact The Mighty All Blacks 💪 Are The Greatest Rugby Nation To Ever Play Rugby 🏉.
No argument from me and I’m South African. ABs have set the benchmark we strive for. Jonah is still my favourite player of all time.
yes if you count the total points scored playing against each other All blacks would have far more points and no other team comes as close as south Africa
@@Zion66666yes he is the greatest player, he ticks more boxes than any other player, height, weight, strength, skill,agility ,the amount of tries, and how he scores them,passion, humble, sportsman ship, global appeal, legacy, jonah was from the same province and town as me, i also played left wing at the same place and time as he did, same style of game but he was in the world cup when im playing under 21's club rugby, he was nearly a year older , but he was huge and great at an early age, like 6'5 120 kg in high school when the other players were like 87- 100 kg ,he was also an outstanding athlete, we saw him all the time before he became a huge name, we saw him come up through the ranks, he was also into boom sounds car audio and drag racing saloon cars at meremere dragway
@@351clevelandmodifiedmotor4 he just seemed liked a genuinely nice guy. he died too soon 😢
Here - have a biscuit. 🤣🤣
The affinity between the AB's and the Boks goes back to the Boer war. They are both commonwealth countries they have similar culture that goes back to when both were fighting for the UK in worldwar 1. Two farming culture countries introduced to rugby by the Brits. We play cricket against each other too, but our rivalry is with the Aussies. Rugby and cricket are the bedrock of the Southern Hemisphere.
Two farming culture countries? You realise that both sputh africa and new zealand are countries of natives who were colonized right? Not to mention the majority of the best players from both nations werent from "farming cultures" also only the european kiwis play cricket in nz 😂
@@WhoAmEye187 shows how much you know about South Africa. Natives of SA have always hearded livestock. Secondly Afrikaarners have been in Africa longer than Europeans in New Zealand. There’s nothing incorrect about what I wrote. Farming has been on these lands since 1652. The Kiwi’s go back to the 1800’s.
@@t.bozmkw3562 okay I stand corrected I'm American BTW
The only option for the Boks to counter the tiredness is to go for a 7-1 split. Especially since it is raining. The backs won't see too much ball.
Top show. RWC introduced show to me. Nice work
It is the rugby rivalry in rugby!! Nothing compares!!!
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Because of the way the draw was held we do not get to see a Bronze final between France and Ireland. That would of been a classic as well.
This O'Connor never did his homework. The SA vs NZ rivalry goes 100 years plus. NZ and AU soldiers were trained at the airbase in Southern Africa during WW2. The countries share a commonwealth identity built on Rugby and Cricket, hot regions outdoor culture, hunting, fishing and farming communities.
Sean Fitzpatrick was so happy to get a test series win in SA as his father was a AllBlack and they had never won in SA.
abs are actually topping quite a few stats, scrums, mauls, lineouts, dominating attacking stats. I know the idea is abs are great at attack not so much the other things but actually, abs are at least footing it with the other nations on their perceived weaknesses. In new zealand, actually quite a few sports out strip rugby in playing numbers. Cricket, basketball, maybe even football
Yeah football as well now
Yeah true but they have had a few easier games. Stats don’t always tell the full picture. That said, when I watch them they do look very precise and I’m very worried as a bok fan.
@@Zion66666 i think both sides are worried because there is so much on it lol
The springboks should be more empty then the AB team, but the boks have got depth in players all the way, we play the most rugby against the AB team then any other team, we just hate loosing against the AB team, but we have the upmost respect for the men in black, you must come to south africa after we loose a game against the AB team, a hole country is upset and cross with the world, we train our boys to play rugby from 3 years old, and push them all the for Rugby, south africa is a rugby mad nation, and rugby is a way of life
It's amazing because when you say a rugby mad nation, seems like it, but a bit disproportionate because including all new supporters maybe only 40% of the population watch them.
@@myshepspud1This must change. It has too.
@@myshepspud1 because the SABC don't broadcast the national games of the national team. You need to have Dstv to watch the games aka pay R900 per month, which 60% of SA don't have.
The best two teams are in the final, and the theoretical “best teams” will be at home watching on Saturday. Huge respect to Ireland and France, Ruaidhri was spot on in his commentary.
France was better than SA. But the referee .. o my god
@@cedric7936 you still wee wee and poo poo in your pants?
It was the 1st series win in SA, (Fitzpatrick)
Gerry the ABS were fresher BUT they were not more BATTLEHARDNED.
Don't forget the warmup game at Twickenham before the RWC, NZ was missing a lot of first choice players due to injuries, and the played with 13 men for a while...
And hadn't played for four weeks and fresh off the plane
at mount smart we missed Siya, Arendse, AM, Pollard.
You played with 13 men because of pressure you could have played with 15 and conceded at least 14 points, but decided to transgress to not allow the points to be scored and lost a man instead and then the Lavinini form NZ got another yellow.
Even the schoolboy culture in rugby is similar. We televise our schoolboy derbies. Plus we are exposed to each other's cultures in film, music and sport.
I agree that based on recent factors the AB are relatively fresher and inform. I will add if SA approach this as a match they will lose, this is all out war, and that the mentality needed to match them.
And u were wrong boet ..now give yourself a good klap for being a fool ..
@@tobolee6385 it was WW3 no??? We even had a nuke!
The *rain* could be the equalizer
Everyone in the Irish media and public, wrote off the AB's and just expected to win. Even though it was a year and a half ago that you played them and the team has changed so much. Ian Foster has done a great job building depth over the past couple of years and strengthening the tight five. The new assistant coaches have also done a great job.
To say they have had an easy road into the final is a joke. And it is even more disrespectful to say it isn't a great team. It has a couple of world players of the year and future world players to come. It has the most capped AB of all time.
Ian Foster has deliberately built through the tournament. Keeping some powder dry for the playoffs. Ireland sadly had played all their cards and didnt have the depth the AB's had. That's why Sexton wasn't subbed off when he wasn't having the impact needed from him.
We are in for an epic battle between NZ and SA. May the best team win.
And don’t forget that Ireland’s best player is a…wait for it…a KIWI 😂
The All Blacks are built for knockout rugby.
@Liam-ls4vt when the AB's win, everyone credits Schmidt and Ryan. When they lose, they blame Foster. You can't have it both ways.
I guess you're another expert, privy to all the goings on in the AB's camp!
@@Zion66666its a final between 2 emigrants do you know what it should be 15 Maoris against 15 blacks that would be a true reflection of both countries
@@tiocfaidharla3200 oh please. These players love their whole lives and grow up in these countries. Ireland and england and France import players using ancestral visas
ABs have played easier games hence why more tries than the boks. If the ABs score 4 tries to 2 but the boks have 1 more point they win who cares about the amount of tries.
As much as I want the Boks to win, cuz of the Kiwi clowns, I just can't see it. Sa were so poor against England
@@Baz502 agree every team has at least one poor performance in the WC that was by far the boks worst game. ABs had their poor game you could say in the opener against France. But the boks have yet to have a full performance yet. ABs have had theirs against Ireland.
@@BallyAfricayour stats are meaningless
@@Yeahrightbru kiwi clown
Could say that SA also had an easy pool. Scotland, like Italy were gash mate.
Nobody ever mentions the red card at Twickenham. And two yellows. Can you imagine the score if it was reversed.
The other thing people don't understand is the AB's used that Twickenham warm up match to try a few things out and probably learnt a lot more about the Boks than SA learned about the ABs. Although NZ didn't go into the game planning to lose there was nothing riding on the result so weren't going to put their bodies on the line whereas everything is on the line for both teams in the RWC final. Hopefully the game lives to to expectations.
@@diyguru9677I'm a Bok supporter, but I know the Twickenham match, meant nothing and people who say otherwise may have incomplete knowledge about the sport of rugby. I really believe that the Boks can win, but I will not be ashamed should we defeated by the All Blacks. But the match will be close.
How did go for you....😅😅😅
Its metal vs metal
Gerry my mate eat humble pie BOKS THE GREATEST EVER.
Gonna be a good match. Ireland are still the best team tho imho. I know I know... but still... which team would neither of these teams want to face again..?
Not anymore.
Sexton is gone, and Ireland will be rebuilding. The challenge is to get the next team up to their standard.
Only as good as your last game. Both Ireland and Feance lost. And as a Saffa no matter the circumstances, we'd only ever fear playing the ABs over anyone else. So to answer your question, we'd definitely not fear playing Ireland over the ABs. The rugby Gods have spoken and delivered what will be the best contest for all parties concerned.
I disagree with that last statement. As an All Blacks fan i want to see my team play the best teams. We have no fear of great teams because as a kiwi we always feel we can beat anyone if we get our game right. There isnt a team in world rugby im afraid my team (the all blacks) of playing.
The best at sitting home. No one is afraid of facing the leprechauns. They only great in their fans minds. Show up in tournaments first. The South experiment with their teams in between. Where as you take glory in them and don't show up in the main tournament. No participation trophys here bud
bummer that neither france nor ireland are going to win it
Why can’t y’all just admit that this platform was completely wrong and give credit where credit is due
4-3
final score will be 20-27 all blacks
The Green Machine wrecked both of them😂
Who's sitting at home😂
@@brucefale6132😂😂😂😂😂gottem 😂
with or without food poisoning???
Go to the nearest pub to watch what real championship teams look like. Stop talking about PRETENDERS that don't make the cut. 😂😂😂😂
Still think Ireland's series win in NZ was right up there
Would just point out that for south pacific island countries such as Fiji, Samoa, Tonga etc, rugby is far and away the No 1 sport. It isn't just in NZ, Sth Africa, and Wales
They always ignore the islands. Irritates me
Where TF is Ireland?!😂😂😂
Ireland and France sitting at home both beat the two finalists both finalists are lucky if one of them topped there pool one of them would of been gone in the quarters and France or Ireland would be in the final winning the pool isn't important anymore probably France they were fantastic against South Africa while Ireland were nervous against New Zealand.
There are Three Gigantic Rivalries in world rugby
Springboks - All Blacks - British and Irish Lions..........The rest are supporting acts. My genuine opinion
new Zealand v australia, Bledisloe cup, after south Africa new Zealand's biggest rival is australia
Wales v Ireland. Stop pretending. You could sell the hate from those games to the National power grid. And with Gats at the helm, it's then a Nuclear meltdown. And he's back of course so.... four more years.
The lions 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
The risk in SAs tactic. It didn't work against Ireland and New Zealand were down a man or two when it worked against them last time. So? Jury is out again. BUT, SA coaches are no idiots so they are obviously trying to hone this idea and the more you do it, the more you iron out defects in the execution of it. PLUS, they are now familiar with this competition being a scrap for them. NZ had one intense game where they went to the reserves of energy and managed to get over the line. Are they ready for another all-hands-on-physicality-decks for another 80 mins against a SA that kinda expect nothing else at this point? Finals are usually dirty grunt games and SA have been having a good few of them already!
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The best french team, the best Irish team.... and its the Worst All Black team of all time that made the final.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That is quite accurate, it was the best French and Ireland teams we have ever had goin into a world cup. And any All Black Supporter including all the NZ pundits and global pundit have agreed that this is not the best NZ team at this world cup. Thiis is just factual information why do you find that funny?
😂😂😂😂😂 There’s no such thing as the worst All Blacks team. Those players have always been world class. Something was off tactically, but since Steve Hansen visited that camp, something was awakened in those players.
@will1964 cause even at our worst we're still the best. 🤣🤣🤣
@@MosesMatsepane what are you talking about mate. If one All Blacks is better than the other then the other All Black team is worse. This is basic grasp of the English language.
@@salemmurray711 yes now your getting there, that’s called an opinion and that’s not a fact. You’re getting it now
Bongi to Le Roux: Willie! Willie!”
Curry: “Teacher what should I do if that guy keeps calling me a penis?”
i got a job as a builder the other day i nailed it😂
Football might be more popular in South Africa but they're totally useless at it ...couldn't win an argument !...me thinks that rugby will overtake it because the average South African wants to be part off a winning culture.
I don't see people getting as much behind the Banana bafana as the Springboks to call out soccer the most popular sport. Sure it's played and many watch it but I think SA breathes rugby way more. Look at people wearing kits in the streets far more than people wearing football jerseys. But I guess it depends which part of SA you are from I remember in the cape rugby wadnras trendy as much as up north.
@@Yeahrightbrunot true, there is also Cricket and New Zealand has one hell of a team.
Unfortunaly for Ireland Rugby it is only our 4th Sport so our playing pool is seriouly reduced. If we had the pick of our GAA players we would have serious athletes at our disposal.
Couldn't have said it better
i think there is a much deeper connection to All Blacks VS SA than you guys know and think - for example the 1981 tour of NZ by SA. A huge movement where games were called off because of massive protest against apartheid and racial segregation. Protestors were in the support of releasing Nelson Mandela - who eventually became the man to shake the south africans hands before/after the 1995 WC final. Ignorant comment from you guys - classic
it literally takes 2 minutes to do such research on wikipedia. Maybe that is why you jokers don't have any subscribers
@Liam-ls4vt Oh right just realised, your an irish fan. Explains alot. And in that case, nothing worse than losing 8 quarter finals
Ireland are and will always be chokers😂😂we will always laugh at you.with love from world champion country😂
Irish still complaining - face up to it... Ireland is good enough to make the quarterfinals... but that's it!
Please give an example in this whole interview where the "Irish" where complaining. Is this a classic example of hearing what you want to here in order to justify what you truly are just a nobody Troll keyboard warrior hiding on the internet. Much Wow. Much Proud.
28-24 and ireland had the ball till the last play there was nothing in it, hats off to Ireland,anyone with a brain can see Ireland could of won , i praise Ireland but south Africa,,, i got no respect for them they play dirty flying forearms on McCaw while hes getting up flying shoulder to his face while he's getting up head but in the back of an all blacks head while tackling him,,go see the video, also 1995 world cup they had the All black camp food poisoned, theres no pride for south Africa they shouldn't have done these things
Exactly 😂😂😂. I have been blocked by your previous 2 commentators 😂😂😂. They are in pain for sure.
Pain is good. I thought that was supposedly what drove Cane to single handedly win that game? Don't knock pain, it holds onto receipts, as the Kiwis never stop saying.👍
I don't have an opinion on Cane. I was talking about pain. 'Pain' was joked about above and I cautioned that I'm sure pain will be now used by Ireland in the coming months and years to return favours as it were. Pain is good.@Liam-ls4vt
France should be there. And not SA. Thanks Ben
Throw the form book out the window here comes the greatest rivalry in rugby AB'S v Bokkies.
They may not be the best teams in the world but again they have reached another RWC FINAL.
As a NZ'r I cant pick it but my heart❤ says AB'S
Its on the day who wants it the most this should go to the wire and may the best team win.
A lesson to all pretenders play whats in front of you not the final goal.
When you have reached the pinnacle and tasted the forbidden fruit of ultimate ultimate victory then may you raise your eyes and survey the domain.
Cmon AB'S so pleased to face the eternal foe SA
If we are every going to win the world cup , we need to get nasty