Metamoris 3: Eddie Bravo vs. Royler Gracie (Gracie Breakdown)
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- Metamoris 3 was epic! Six superfights, two submissions, and one amazing finale between Royler Gracie and Eddie Bravo! Ryron and Rener analyze Gui Mendes' baseball choke, Keenan Cornelius' inverted heel hook, and of course, the spectacular rematch between Royler and Eddie. Even though the main event ended in a draw, it was definitely the fight of the night!
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Eddie: 2 Royler:0 you two aren't fooling anyone
Exactly they are in denial
@@Lewiinn What did they deny? I never heard them saying Eddie wasn't in control or wasn't winning. They just discussed what happened and then why they, personally, don't teach Eddie's style. All seemed entirely reasonable and respectful to me.
Flat earth 2 Globe earth 0 ......
Gracie tapped at 2:37 in the match. You can see Gracie Tap Eddie's leg at 21:50 of ruclips.net/video/w0x1nNebycM/видео.html
@@catbert7 exactly wtf are the people on about? It’s literally their family’s art they can have an opinion on other people’s versions of it if they want. They never said Eddie didn’t win but just shined some light on the fact that a lot of Eddie’s techniques go against the original mission of Jiu Jitsu.
Royler lost. Its sad that your ego/pride won't let you guys explain what REALLY happened.
It's also possible that they don't really know. It's pretty clear Royler has no idea about the 10th planet techniques and so was defensive the entire time.
@Jimmy Crackcorn Lol Gracie was the one trying to survive. Eddie being dominant is the only reason why it is a win not Eddie "surviving".
Gracie tapped at 2:37 in the match. You can see Gracie tap Eddie's leg at 21:50 of ruclips.net/video/w0x1nNebycM/видео.html
@@AndrewD624
Yes i believe he did. Exactly 1/10s before and after they shift camera angle. Do you know if their is some other camera shots out there? I would love to see the hole sequence from the second camera angle.
kinda disappointing to see you guys dismissing eddies victory on account of 'well roylers style is better for street fighting so he'd win if there were strikes'. its incredible what eddie did. he played by the rules and won fair and square.
I do agree that Eddie looked great!!! But he did not win "fair and square". lol The event was SUBMISSION ONLY!
he won in their 1st match which is what i was referring to
ahhh. My bad buddy. Yeah you're absolutely right he won that first match fair & square for sure!!!
Its kind of like in the earlier days of bjj strikes would think they beat bjj. Now the Gracie think they would beat Eddie if they could use striking :)
If you wanna watch a real breakdown of this fight go to the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast (#478) with Eddie Bravo...
+Khalid Ibn Walid yeah i feel this is a little Royler favored
Joe rogan is a student of his master Eddie bravo, he gets his belts from him so of course he is going to ________
+ii iaa naw joe rogan keeps it real buddy
He keeps it real , are u seriously. He admitted he is biased to his best friend Eddie. He lied and said the gracies asked eddy to wear pants , that was eddies decision at the time of the aggrement and he said the pants helped him because it made his legs not slip on the oiled up skin of the fighter.
+ii iaa are you "seriously" the pants thing is totally beside the point. Eddie controlled royler the entire match, the gracey brothers were downplaying that to make their uncle and their jujitsu brand look better. Joe and Eddie break the match down better. Obviously Joe and Eddie are bias aswell but it's still a better break down
6 years later and we still know Eddie won that match.
Also in 2024 we know Eddie won lol
Honesty vs GracieBreakdown
Truth for the win!!!!
Gracie tapped at 2:37 in the match. You can see Gracie tap Eddie's leg at 21:50 of ruclips.net/video/w0x1nNebycM/видео.html
@@AndrewD624 True!
how embarrassing for these guys. They should take this one down
blantant why?
Javier Gabriel very biased watch eddies breakdown
@@Davidtk2001 I'm not sure what you're objecting to. What did they say that conflicted with Eddie's breakdown?
"Royler toughed it out no problem" I don't know what the fk you guy's were watching, you could see he was in a lot of pain
These are honest guy's so when they lie it's obvious. When they said he's walking about fine they both looked away from the camera and at their feet. Watch it back
phil hems i guess you didnt see the photos of royler surfing just the next day -.-
And how do you know they were taken the next day? Can you link me to them
instagram.com/p/mVmwHMKU6e/ Gerry Costas instagram
Could be true but smells ever so slightly of PR. Doesn't change anything though, I don't wish the guy harm, he is still a legend
This is very disappointing. You guys are always trying to give life lessons but you can't admit to a loss?
💯
Gracies preach against the ego yet they have the biggest one
Kevin O'Donnell your an idiot
@@alexmathis4275 *you're
Thanks for the help. LOL
Hey man he was probably under immense pressure from the other Gracie's to have this opinion. And don't believe for a second that he didn't go and try to find ways to beat Eddie's technique.
@@alexmathis4275 no u
I expected a LOT more from you guys. You two have done a great job breaking down BJJ moves in MMA and calling and educating people such as myself in understanding technical BJJ moves and transitions. You guys made me want to train, and got me training! This episode was so biased for Royler! Call a spade a spade! Renzo would never have excuses.
If this was truly unbiased you guys would've called Royler out for refusing to assume the previous position until the video came back on.
I agree. Eddie basically won it hands down. Masterful performance by both members of course, and no one actually won, but 90% of the Underground MMA forum members alone voted for Eddie as the dominate fighter in this match. That's about as clear cut as it gets. The only people debating now are fan boys.
TokingMonkey
I also don't understand why they were separated at the time limit, the submission was locked on and it was clearly stated in the Rule #3 of their match's special set of rules (flashed on after their bio/stats were shown on the telecast) that the "time will not end if the submission is close."
I know that its debatable if Royler would have submitted (he probably would not truth be told and would have let his leg be damaged), but whats not debatable is that submission was locked on, and Royler was having difficulties to escape.
Is there an interview of either fighter after the match
Renzo is at a different level
Its their family bro! course they're biased
Eddie Bravo dominated Royler in Metamoris 3, why those two wont admit it !!!
+Brian Smith can you blame them for not wanting to admit that a member of their family defeated at their own game sure maybe its not very humble but it is awful embarrassing for them
Gracie tapped at 2:37 in the match. You can see Gracie tap Eddie's leg at 21:50 of ruclips.net/video/w0x1nNebycM/видео.html
@@danieldunn3130 some say they still believe Eddie lost .
What a pair of goofs. Eddie had your uncle controlled the entire time...
Gracie tapped at 2:37 in the match. You can see Gracie tap Eddie's leg at 21:50 of ruclips.net/video/w0x1nNebycM/видео.html
I love you guys but wtf! Not only did you disrespect eddie by not mentioning that he controlled the match from start to finish or that he was never even in danger of being in danger. You disrespect him as a teacher saying that his style is not Street applicable and that it requires too much flexibility. When in reality eddie takes punches more into account then you guys do.
so according to you guys should i train catch wrestling instead of gjj for "street fights" because i saw sakuraba beating the shit out of the gracies multiple times?
@JBryan314 good joke! He only lost to Ralek and one reason why he lost is because he was already old and out of prime. No Gracie can fuck with Sakuraba when he was in his prime even the supposed to be "the best" gracie ducked him for years.
@@AnarchoPunkChad you don't even have an intelligent argument lmao stfu
@@AnarchoPunkChad jojoweeb knows nothing abt jijutsu. Low quality bait.
@@AnarchoPunkChad it took you 3 months to come up with an answer, that's how unintelligent you are. You see how the guy I replied to deleted his comment? He knew I was right. Out of prime is a solid argument. You have none, dumbass!
@@AnarchoPunkChad what's your name let's see if you are telling the truth.
From what i see, Eddie Bravo still dominated Royler Gracie in the whole 20 minutes despite the funny rules. Sorry but Gracies should accept the loss. At least, that is not being "dis-Gracies"
Dude Metamorphosis rules. Tapout or draw. No one tapped, therefore it is a draw. It is not victory by points and well positioned submission attempts.
So if Bravo were to have choked out Royler, it would have been a draw, seeing that he didn't tapp?
Of course not, he would have taken a nap and Eddie would have won. It's a submission.
Yes but u could see with your own eyes Roler got outmatched eddie has too much game for him period why can't u admit it.Just switch to 10Th Planet so u can be honest and then get better at Jiu Jitsu
+7thvenom yes, I could see Eddie was way better but what does that have to do with anything? I've been doing jujitsu off and on for 20 years and never competed in my life. I do it because it makes me feel good and for self defense. I'm not sure if the 10th planet system is the best for self defense. Do you think Eddie would do well against Royler in a fight? I doubt it...
Man, the Gracie's really didn't handle the aftermath of Metamoris very well. I wouldn't be surprised if this hurts their BJJ Franchise business.
This comment didn't age well. Their business is even bigger today lol
@@levrai944we all know the gracies are bitches
How about Keeping It Truthful. Eddie dominated the entire match under fixed rules. Royler was allowed to grab Eddie's pants, but Eddie could not grab Royler's shorts. The only thing that kept Eddie from snapping Royler's knee was due to the death grip that Royler had on Eddie's pants. You passive aggressively bash Eddie's style in this brokenass breakdown, then Royce just bashed Eddie as a human being, and his life choices in an interview with Ariel Helwani. Y'all need to LEggo Your Ego
Check out Ariel Helwani interview Royce Gracie on ''The MMA Hour''..{Royce Gracie: Eddie Bravo Is Not A Good Role Model}
royler was completely dominated and straight up man handled! Everyone who watched that fight knows this!
matt zwicker Indeed
alleycatufc Oh yeah, I'm watching it right now. I always see Eddie wearing gi pants to help emphasize on his game so I assumed. Either way, Royler got his knee messed up bad lol.
BboyLancelot2 Yeah..The Lockdown .. I hear ya
The bully part was nice. But the rest of the video is sad. Trying to save face and explain away Eddie's overwhelming Royler for 20 solid mins.
It is sad to see the two of you blinded by you're last name. I have insurmountable respect for the Gracie family, who doesn't? Where you start to lose that respect is when you lie, deny, and play dumb. To deny Eddie the credit he deserves for his part in the evolution of Jiu-Jitsu is complete heresy. Royler had no answers for Eddie. Eddie had Royler checkmated at the end, and all you two can do is belittle Bravo's contribution's to Jiu Jitsu by calling them "Gracie contributions".
+VICTORdowns Their family name is their business. They will not accept that BJJ is bigger than the Gracie name. They are great competitors, but steal honor from their own family by diminishing the accomplishments of others within the sport. Eddie's jits is top notch, and the Gracies don't have anything to say about it that matters.
Yes, Eddie won by the peoples judgement. Not by Metamorphosis rules. They gave credit to Eddie.
Lone Runner What are rules in a fight? Eddie almost broke Roylers knee... Eddie won.
VICTORdowns It wasn't a fight. If it had been it would have been different. This was a game, played by rules. It should thus be judged by the rules.
Edmond Dantez It WAS a fight. It was a physical chess match. It should be judged by the effectiveness of techniques... Eddie Bravo won.
All of this discussion about the applicability of a technique in a street/"real" fight is stupid.
I wasn't aware that Metamoris is a street fighting or MMA event
Since it's not, why is it even relevant? Damage Control Mode?
It isn't relevant. Their doing their best to save face. It's a shame they just can't be honest, it's a game ffs. Lost respect for these guys, they know their speaking nonsence, their treating their viewers as idiots.
they are scared Eddie will take their students away from Gracie's school... i go to a Gracie school and because of the lack of respect they gave to Eddie... im thinking of going to a 10th planet school
It's a shame that this is happening, and the majority of the people (except for some of the Gracies) can see it for what it blatantly is.
During the Ryron x Galvao match in the previous Metamoris they were all about "Ryron's keeping it so playfull!" while Galvao dominated.
And now that Eddie and his true, original "Keep it playfull." attitude and technique that brought so many innovations to BJJ was used to literally neutralize Roylers game and hang him out to dry in front of the world, they're falling back on "We're proponents of the what's effective in a street fight." mentality.
LittleD
Why not master both the Gracie and Bravo's style and develop your own?
Lescouflair mastering both systems...hmmm that sounds easy!!! i'll get back to you in 60 years when i do :) 10th Planet ALL DAY
what a joke, not only bull shitted and refused to admit Bravo dominated Royler, but they even disrespected Bravo, just embarrassing ...
Alessandro Scuderi What part of the video did they disrespect Eddie?
Alex Khouri gave no credit on how eddie bravo domainted, but talk about how well royler did this
aebe chanhsombath you are right, but they didn't disrespect Eddie's technique. They just didn't mention it at all, which is stupid, but i didn't see they offending his technique or Eddie as a person.
Alex Khouri not a huge deal, but they did say rubber guard isn't "street applicable." it's ironic they chose to bring up the "street applicability" of jj, when they've admitted you probably don't want to be jumping guard in a street confrontation.
Alessandro Scuderi They was and they still are a family of bullies.
Gracie vs Gracie Ego. Now that's a match I would like to see.
This time it wasn´t about their ego. It was more like them taking care of their business. Posting a breakdown that is, on the buttom, an explanation of their classes. But, no worrys, you are gonna keep your students brothers, because you offer something valuable
friedricey Gracie will get tapped by their ego easy... Gracie will get caught by their own bullshit, bullshit choke with the lapel
Yea. Online teaching. You don’t even have to grappler or even step on a mat and you can be a certified black belt if you pay enough months.
Scam artists. Online self sefense?
Don’t forget to go to a boxing gym and sign up for online classes or kick boxing or any other fighting style.
Oh wait someone would have to have. Eronintegrity to te AC b self defense while never getting on a mat or in a gym or putting gloves in.
It’s exclusive to these clowns and maybe some online ninja classes and chi energy throwing
I would have more respect for you if you just said Royler had no answer to Eddie's game, the whole Jiu Jitsu world saw it and so did you!
THIS
And what was with the way Royce yelled at Eddie after the match? Yet another classless display of the Gracie propaganda machine. I wouldn't be surprised if your next video claims that Bruce Lee was a Gracie student.
Nah, everyone knows Bruce was studying Judo under Gene. I'm not sure you can call this classless though. They aren't really trashing Eddie or making crazy claims about the way the fight went. They are, however, in a tough position of trying to not make their family upset. You can already tell some of their uncles aren't fans of the online stuff that they do.
Am I disappointed in the video? Yes, I am, but at least I get where they are coming from in trying their best to be as neutral as possible.
You should read how Royce went ape shit after Robin Gracie lost a fight to Damien Riccio back in 2003. Royce's email had info. like, the blood that was on Robin's shirt was the other guy and not Robin's. Implying Robin did not lose, and wrote down, that Damien was talking shit about the Gracie family and Brazilians. No real evidence of this before Royce made this statement on his email.
Fast forward to 2014. Royler Gracie vs Eddie Bravo rematch. Royler may not have been submitted, but clearly lost the fight in the other aspects and all he did was survive the match and did not come close to submitting Eddie even once. The official outcome was a draw, due to the Metamoris rules. After the match Eddie threw up, Royce says, the reason Eddie was throwing up, was because Royler dominated him in the match. Royce gets in Eddie's face and says Eddie has been talking shit about him and the Gracie family. Again with no real evidence.
It seems Royce uses the same pretext on rationalizing his own juvenile behavior. It is disappointing, as he was one I looked up to in the sport when I was growing up and wanted him to win over Matt Hughes. When Royce tested positive for steroids with both of his samples and denied it, showed his dishonest character some more.
You also failed to mention that Royler had his guard passed as it was non existent and that Royler NEVER EVEN ATTEMPTED 1 SUBMISSION, he was praying for dear life, Electric chair sweep after electric chair sweep, Royler looked totally confused!
it's amazing being a fan of both teams but how biased the Gracie breakdown is. After watching the Joe Rogan podcast, i must agree that eddie got the best of this guy. You guys in your commentary make it seem that Royler dominated the whole match and was never in trouble. Eddie seemed a lot more realistic about the breakdown of his fight. Much props though to this channel cause 99% of your stuff is great but please keep it unbiased when it comes to your family's matches. Peace
Gracie tapped at 2:37 in the match. You can see Gracie tap Eddie's leg at 21:50 of ruclips.net/video/w0x1nNebycM/видео.html
a shame they haven't heard how Eddie broke the fight down on Joes Podcast monday, they still dont understand every move Eddie made was a set up. The Machado's but the plan together, Eddie executed them perfectly. Everyone should listen to the breakdown on the podcast. They explain every move. And he gives all you guys mad props, excellent show.
who gives a shit if it wasn't street applicable? Its a no go grappling match. It really seems like most of the hello gracie side believe that only basic hello gracie style bjj is worth knowing. That's probably why most of the high level gracie bjj guys come from the carlos lineage
a side from Rickson, all the killers are from the Carlos side...
I have always had mad respect for Gracie Juijitsu, but if I had to choose, I would go to 10th planet after seeing Eddie own Royler at Metamoris 3
Tenth planet dont adress self defense at all,its pure sport grappling.The Gracie university is self defense first sport later after blue belt. Royler by the way is not gracie university.
@@scarred10 interesting to see a reply to something I said 8 years ago. Glad you like Gracie Juijitsu, they are truly great and pioneers of martial arts.
This is a perfect demonstration of why sport jiu jitsu folks are slowly covering the perfectly painted picture of Brazilian jiu jitsu in mud.
Even the thumbnail got "filtered"! Come on guys, this is bias BS
Rocket 88 why wouldn’t they be biased it’s his family
Renzo is the only Gracie to man up and give other fighters props when a Gracie loses. Face it fellas, the BJJ world is now surpassing the Gracies. Other than Roger and Kron is there anymore left? Ford did not invent the car they made it better, 10th Planet, AOJ, etc are all changing the game. One thing I learned from BJJ is respect for all. Time to practice what you preach Gracie brothers.
Don't forget Clark!
Ryan Gracie
kron's last two fights in the UFC was unbelievable! The only gracie to look like a newbie in an MMA match lmao
Foreal! Kron took soooo much damage that last two fights, he took more damage than he made
10yrs ago they all laughed at Eddie now his style Is superior in sports jiu jitsu only
Submission attempts: Eddie 5 Royler 0
Guard passes: Eddie 1 Royler 0
Side control: Eddie 1 Royler 0
Back attempts: Eddie 1 Royler 0
don't forget sweeps : eddie 4 roller 0
19:10 dude come on, give some credits to the japanese jiu jitsu and judo. it's not like carlos and helio invented this on their own.
NO SHIT! ^ +1
True
*D M* Strange thing to say considering that judokas get raped by BJJ every single time.
Edward Armstrong just watch tadahiro nomura vs hello Gracie grandmaster that truly shows
Fuck yeah, I think the Gracies, don’t give Japan the credits it deserves for bjj, anyway bjj is basically just judo, or what newaza judo would have became if that was the more popular style.
Eddie was excellent!
Your logic isn't sound. Eddie can use street-appliceable techniques as well. He used what he did for this specific event. Let's flip your argument. You said Gracie's do the splits everyday, not everyone can do that either. In that case, Eddie's tactics work. Attacked more, was in control & dominated Royler.. and something tells me you know it.
Right the fuck on.
Did you even watch the video? They said Eddie wouldn't use it on the streets and explained why. They also said this was a sport jui jitsu match so they used techniques they wouldn't use in a fight.
mikeb2675 So why even bring up the "street effectiveness" of their jiujitsu vs 10th Planet when it wasn't at all relevant to the context of sport jiujitsu?
I like how they completely skipped the neck crank that made Royler make the "shitting himself" face
Exactly what I was thinking. Firstly, I respect Ryron and Rener b/c they were my first teachers many years ago and taught me 80% of my fundamentals, but ignoring the neck crank was the huge elephant in the room for me.
wow, you guys almost seem lost breaking this down, watch Eddy on Rogan's podcast for the real breakdown
Nice thumbnail for this video... (sarcasm) Eddie dominated the match, so its deceiving to use that picture.
You guys did the same sketchy thing with the thumbnail picture for your breakdown video of GSP v.s Hendricks (using a post fight photo after GSP fought Condit NOT Hendricks) Very deceiving...
It's very clear the entire Gracie family is filled with a bunch of Ego-Maniacs!
Ego-Maniacs that get owned in UFC these days. LOL
twistedfocus100
Yep 100% agree.
Roger Gracie got dominated by Tim Kennedy
You guys are all dumb shits.
This family pushed a modern revolution in martial arts. Sure, they're fiercely competitive and are intensely loyal, but that's what got us here in the first place. In my mind, the Gracie's are free to do what they want and so are you to make up your own opinion. I just think it's a little small-minded to call out an entire family in a field you know nothing about, which created the field of battle in the first place.
How about the fact that Renzo trains GSP, Frankie Edgar, Chris Wiedman, Matt Serra and the list goes on. The Gracies are CHAMPIONS and we are not. Who are we to judge.
Keith Micomonaco
man has battled long before and they will long after the Gracie's.
You know whats not 'street applicable'? Gi chokes.
People don't wear coats?
Not in the summer, not in Brazil and certainly not when their dander is up.
'Punch him in the face', would be the instinctual response. However among the first things I ever learned was, 'what to do if someone grabs your shirt.' Didn't say only.
I respectfully disagree.
So since people dont wear coats in brazil, Gi chokes are not street applicable. Wow what a dick :D Most of the people wear coats, turd.
These comments are overwhelming clear that intelligent people see what really happened. Please do a follow up video and sack up to what everyone is saying. Go watch Eddie's breakdown on Joe Rogan Experience & and change that damn thumbnail pic to this video!!
I lost some respect for the Gracie's after this event, Bravo dominated the match and the Gracie's did not give him the respect he deserved, they constantly release images of Royler on top and not one of Bravo's multiple submission attempts or sweeps...
Obviously very biased, I've lost a lot of respect for both of you. You spent 6.5 minutes actually "breaking down" the 20 minute Gracie vs Bravo match. During which Ryron is wincing when Rener is just holding him in the vaporizor position without any pressure.
Then you spend the next 20 minutes trying to convince us that Bravo's dominate performance wasn't based on sound principles. That Bravo Jui Jitsu isn't actually superior to Gracie Jui Jitsu, even though on Saturday night, it did seem to be the case. You are trying to put a positive spin on an exposed weakness in Royler's technique.
It seem petty and small coming from respectable men.
Eddie Bravo vs Royler Gracie 2
Metamoris 3
Spoiler alert!!!!
Bravo wins
abc123 submission only
Egos won't credit Eddie. Royler is a fool for not tapping. His knee popped 7 times. If there was a longer time limit Royler wouldn't have walked away from this lose.
13:21 "he was very Comfortable" WTF !!! LMFAO !! you guys crack me up :)
I like how they downplayed eddies dominating performance
And posted Royler in a Dominant position in the thumb.LOL
Michael Zand
That was the dumbest comment i've ever read.
Michael Zand What a dumbass thing to say.
Michael Zand he smokes weed and plucks his eyebrows! guess what else he destroys people in BJJ! dominated the gracie not once but twice funny you try to insult his personality because his prformance speaks for itself!!!
Michael Zand
Yes that guy, and guess what, that guy dominates non weed smoking, non eyebrow plucking bjj experts on the mat. life's a b...
I clicked on this video for one reason and one reason only, and that is to see how the Gracie brothers were going to downplay Eddie Bravo's performance against little beloved uncle Royler, and lo and behold, they didn't disappoint with their effort to spin this into Royler's favorite. Royler LITERALLY HELD ON for dear life for almost the entirety of the fight.
Sorry that your boy Royler got dominated by Eddie. Even sorrier that your egos won't let you accept it.
Royler got out-filtered
This was painful to watch. Making sense of a major Gracie loss.
This is the First time that they didn't tell the truth.
They really glossed over how effective and dominant Eddie was. He jumped half guard, battled for a bit but eventually swept, got side control, got a neck crank, almost got the back, lost position and instantly went back to playing his half guard game, swept again, Royler pushed him back and Eddie just pulls half guard again, with 5:51 left that's the 3rd sweep, Royler pushes him back off into that deep half guard and this time Eddie gets Roylers leg over to the other side and turns the other way and sweeps him again (5:32 left on timestamp, 4th sweep) and is already trying to dive for the foot. They reset and Eddie rolls for the 'vaporiser', and usually if it doesn't work Eddie would take his right foot and stomp on his own left foot to dig his shin further under Royler's knee, but as you can see by the whole final sequence, Royler was grabbing Eddie's gi pants stopping him from doing that. I mean it's very difficult to deny that pretty much all the offense came from Eddie, and Eddie imposed his jiu jitsu game 100%.
Sweeping him back meaning pushing him and allowing Eddie to get right back into the lockdown to do it again? And when its sport jiu jitsu we talk sport jiu jitsu. You dont talk shot about Mayweathers boxing by saying it wouldnt work against a wrestler in a real fight. Talk in terms of the rules. Eddie pulled half guard as soon as Royler was got him over. Eddie works off his back, everyone knows that.
Kinosis79 how does eddies sytem generally fair against gracie bjj how does it go against marcello garcia ?
Kinosis79 I rule you two guys a draw under Metamoris rules. Now STFU. Both these bitches would get their asses whopped by unranked UFC cans in their weight class in an actual fight. Roger Gracie gets the shit kicked out of him by UFC rejects. Eddie Bravo's personal god Jean Jacques Machado got KTFO like a bitch last time he went against a real fighter.
Kinosis79 How can you call what Royler did 'sweeping'? First one Eddie fell off when trying to take the back, and the others was Eddie losing position and deciding himself to go back to lockdown half guard and electric chair sweeping. The whole Royler- Eddie back and forth was part of Royler's effort to stop Eddie's electric chairs, and ultimately failure every time. The best position Royler got was quarter guard and even then he couldn't pass to side control once. What are you talking about ?!
eddie bravo finally got a chance to prove gracie jj is outdated and hasn't evolved eddie is the bruce lee of jj he removed what doesn't work and did away with classic forms and bullshit that gets you punched in the face in a real combat situation
As much as I love Eddie Bravo's moves. He is most likely the Bruce Lee of SPORTS bjj.
A lot of 10th planet stuff is rarely seen in MMA because of what yo usaid, punching and kicking.
I like creative jiu jitsu though, don't get me wrong. Eddie totally beat royler in that match
Snorlax its starting to be seen more and more in mma because its effectice at shuting down ground and pound rubberguard deep half not to metion twister sub is being used more often
skano187
Oh yeah, well I do love rubber gaurd. But the deep half is pretty reckless in MMA. A lot of Tkos/Kos happen there. Throwing punches from there makes it easy to throw you off base though... which gives it a pro
Meh, what ever you make work for you is best I guess : - )
Snorlax yea gotta agree deep half isn't the greatest for mma people have been tweaking it to make it more effective
Snorlax
I saw Eddie's podcast after the match, and he said that he would never pull quarter guard or deep half in an MMA situation. He said that the reason he did it at Metamoris is purely because there ARE no strikes. But that 10th planet style definitely works in MMA. Condit survives really well off his back using that kind of control.
Gracies lose in jiu jitsu then lie about it on the internet. Welcome to the 21st century where even jiu jitsu is full of bullshit lies and politics.
Take a deep breath and relaaaaax, keyboard warrior...
Truth is super scary i know. Maybe you should take that deep breath 4 me.
Edward Bartkowiak nicely handled.
everything is politics you either play or get played
I seen Joe Rogan talk about the rules Eddie Bravo had to agree to, and if he did not agree to them Gracie's were gonna pull out of the fight. Eddie had to agree to wear pants and was not allowed to grab Royler's clothes. Royler was allowed to wear shorts and his clothes were off limits for grabbing. (Que Sarcasm now) Does Eddie have to have one hand tied behind his back next time he fights a Gracie?
Royler is an amazing grappler but Eddie clearly dominated the entire match. This video just made me lose respect for Ryron and Rener; if they can't recognize a lost and have to find excuses to inflate their family ego then I can't respect them.
Good talk at the end and all but they were breacking down a submission match. Eddie knows what technics he should use on mma or in a street fight but he wasn't in a mma or a street fight
Eddie couldn't finish the vaporizer cuz royler was holding on to Eddie's pants
just out of curiosity, are you allowed to grab the pants in metamoris no gi? DO they mention that in the rules? Because to my understanding usually you are not allowed in no gi. I didn`t have a problem with it if its not in the rules but I was surprised to see royler grab his pants. I guess one could say it was eddies decision to wear pants so I guess it was kind of expected.
***** k, nice to know. I agree with you 100%, it is a double edged sword.
JiuJitsu9 eddie originally told them he wanted the pants, before the event he told them he changed his mind, but they did not allow him to change to shorts.
TheDriftingsmoke really? what`s your source?
he said it on joe's podcast, but take from that what you will
This is pathetic guys. Royler was dominated and didn't have an answer for Bravo. No where is Bravo saying he's better than you guys, he's teaching basics as well as new ideas. And his new ideas don't belong to the Gracies. You guys are above this, give credit where it's due.
So when Eddie competes he isn't following Helio's filter, but when Ryron competes and let's his competitor side mount and mount him he is keeping it playful...
Lost a bit of respect for you guys tbh. Give credit where credit is due. Royler got dominated by Eddie
Goddamn it. Just give Eddie his props for dominating Royler Gracie and leave it at that. I love what the Gracie family has done. But this past week has only showed how sore losers they are as a whole.
I'm disappointed at how twisted their version of Bravo Vs Gracie was, It was obvious Bravo won that match.
Nice choice of thumbnail for this video.
Yeah it was the culmination of the fight, royler almost submitted eddie.
betwixtX Royler did not make one submission attempt.
royler nearly succeeded choking eddie out in this video thumbnail and dominated most of the fight on top
betwixtX He wasn't going to submit him with a rape choke. If you know anything about jiu-jitsu, you would know no one gets submitted that way.
betwixtX What match did you see?
This is why Rickson rises above the rest. He actually had an open mind. If you guys refuse to accept other people's methods in jiu jitsu you will be left behind.
Rickson is a great man, these two are just clowns.
get these guys a brick wall and a mic so that they can do this stand-up properly
Green Djinn stand up comedians indeed.
Green Djinn But they don't have stand-up, remember according to the family, GJJ is all you need, no stand-up.
Eddie was the true gentleman in this match :)
I'm not even gonna watch this video, I only have to look at the 'likes' bar to know that they think Royler won that match. Which he clearly didn't.
True. 1k likes and 800 dislikes. They should do an apology follow up video. Watch Eddies breakdown on Joe Rogan Experience. He even talks about how Royce went after Eddie after the event.
Not sure why people are getting so upset. This martial art came from Japan, not Brazil.
I feel we owe the Gracie's everything when in comes to the MMA we now enjoy. All respect to the Gracie family and the founding father, the great Helio Gracie and the legendary Royce. We are forever in your debt. For this particular event, for the rules put in place (Eddie not being able to grab Royler's shorts but Royler being able to grab Eddie's pants and the automatic draw at the end of the time limit) and the way Royce confronted Eddie afterwards, this was an embarrassing moment for the Gracie family. The fight between Royler and Eddie was the fight of the century and Royler is a warrior and deserves full respect; however, if there were real rules, Eddie would be the clear winner and I feel more respect should be given to Eddie.
lol the thumbnail they chose for this video makes it look like Royler was choking the shit out of Eddie
eddie walked through gracie. give the man his respect. at the level these guys are at there is no loser even if one had tapped the other. practice what you preach gracies. im feeling a little let down.
What a shame...you guys chose to downplay Eddie's clearly dominant performance into a garbage analysis that discredits his skill. And what was with the going off on a tangent about street or competition applicable techniques? The match was in competition and most if not all of the breakdowns are of competitions in sanctioned events. It was a Jiu Jitsu match, not an mma match...why bring up punches? WTF completely biased and not objective at all.
I find their analysis adept and unbiased. They praised Eddie aplenty. Did you watch a different video?
it seemed to me they felt like they had to say something to make the match look not as bad for royler gracie. Rener is cool with eddie so I doubt he meant any harm, and it wasn't that bad but just a bit..to much talking about street situations when usually we hear these kind of comments from armatures who talk shit about grappling/jj.
Translation: "a Gracie was dominated, but we have our own style making us the real victors". Blah blah blah. Just admit Eddie dominated him with his style and appreciate it. Stop talking circles around it. Eddie's style is used in MMA too. They hate to give him credit though, as well as giving the Japanese credit. This is not a "breakdown". This is being proud of being dominated by claiming the Gracie style was still in tact. That's ignoring the fact that Eddie's style dominated the Gracie style and how it did so.
Getting tired of gracies acting like they invented grappling. Respect isn't one way. If you can't respect your asian roots and the fact that others are evolving grappling and improving and changing your gracie jiujitsu system then you can't expect us to respect anything you say on the matter. It sounds so biased it's embarrassing.
People who were there said they heard Roylers knee pop like 8 times and he also screamed once..... i think he didn't tap more cause of pride than it not hurting.
I don't understand how they can knock Bravo's system for not being street applicable when the Gracies train in a gi
logic vs dogma.
18:55 - 19:22
Under that logic, nothing that helio 'invented' should be credited to him. All that natural body movements, street applicable, etc was around long before he was alive. You can start with jigoro kano if you don't want to go back too far.
As far as moves that get you hit in the face, ask eddie why he made the guard he made instead of using the 'gracie guard'.....
You gracies are freefalling....
i was just thinking that as i was watching. lol well thinking those are guide lines for most martial arts.
TENNSUMITSUMA 1) who know if you never took Judo?
2) Read Maeda's biography he said when he went to brazil first time the type of fighting they were doing there was really full fight. Other fights he had was a mismatch of rules,some put catch type fights with jacket or no jacket,some open palm strikes only with grapple some just throws and win,vale tudo he didn't do.
3) It was literally removed when Kano decided to send out the 7 PILLARs of the Kudokan (aka all the newaza specialist) in the bio the author stated that he hit two bird with one stone 1) He knew the guys where hard to beat so good ambassadors for judo to the world 2) he got the main newaza guys out so he could do his adjustment.
4)you meant gracie I knew you meant gracie cause I know you advent train wing chung or meet kwon do hahahahhaha.
Kalika Putra 1. Judo IS the most practiced Martial Art in the world it's been converting people who practice Judo for as long as it has existed(longer than BJJ). 2. Ne Waza is still practiced by many many Judoka(I've beaten a BJJ guy on the ground a time or two.), in many Dojos the level of ground fighting is very high and Arm Bars and chokes end matches at all levels of competition watch some matches. Many people still think Eagle Crane is best(not me)!
JudoMateo 1) Most practiced in the world means nothing,just means your art got watered down for spectator viewing and sponsor ship compare pre 1960 mainstream judo to today judo to see that. So the argument that it is the most practice doesn't mean anything> I can drive from the centre of sydney to the suburbs a distance of 30 km one one main artery and see heaps of kung fu bjj,kapkido and boxing schools, not one judo.
2)Yes lots of people in judo still do newaza,never said they dont,but if you sport is whored out to the olympics and adjusted for viewing pleasure then people will be drilling the stuff you need to win those comps more. I teach and fight under one of the most successful mauy thai,bjj,mma and boxing teams here and have thus sparred with numerous high level,means Olympic level judo guys,that means black belts,hell one recently qualified to represent australia in the next commonwealth and olympic games and he also has black belt in bjj and I have brown 4 stripes. I never had trouble with them.My students dont have trouble with them.not because I am better because their focus is different.
3) this judo this bjj this talk is all bullshit,its all jujitsu and I never studied bjj at a gracie owned or affiliated school but still I have respect for them for sharing there art,why would anyone bag them out? Take this video eddie bravo learnt from jj machado whose mother was a gracie,who trained with gracies. Why all the hate for? Where else we can get good newwaza other than going to learn kosen in japan which is very expensive and filled with bigotry. Not thanks I will give thanks where it s due,my judo is through the roof because they maintained newaza,wy on earth anyone would bag them is beyond comprehension. have you family done anything for your sport? have your uncles? your grand dad? They can say that,respect that,if not you are not worth your go you put on your back.
Kalika Putra typical koolaid drinking gracie! you actually believe the gracies invented bjj! lmao!
To sum up; the Gracie method is out dated and Eddie has advanced the sport...and a lot of BS about a filter...
Do you really think Eddie Bravo would have pulled quarter guard if their contest was an actual street fight? He clearly understood the rules of the tournament and figured out the best way of controlling and potentially submitting his opponent with his creative techniques. Eddie Bravo was a step ahead of Royler at every turn.
He manoeuvred two electric chairs and a vaporiser that would have made %98 of people tap.
He's a pioneer for the modern day Jiu Jitsu specialists.
I wonder if Ryron was applying the universal filter when he got mounted and side-controlled over and over again by Andre Galvao in Metamoris 1.
Was it a street fight? No.
Did a top Gracie get dominated for 20 mins? Yes.
Your BS is losing you respect guys.
Wow they spent half a video trying to sneak diss Eddies jiujitsu.
martial arts 101: leave the ego outside the mat.
Eddie dominates the fight and everybody saw it.
Eddie Bravo completely controlled the match. I would love to see them fight again with more straight forward rules.
hate to break this to you guys but Royler got dominated.. like.. it isn't even open for debate had it not been a submission only tourney he was losing the decision bad. He had a solid 5 or 6 submissions attempted against him during the whole time and if my memory's good he didn't threaten Bravo with a single one. Time to show sportsmanship and admit the loss.
The Gracie family took JJ and perfected it to an unprecedented level. The whole family was denied no praises for that and will always be a defining name in martial arts. But you guys also seem to have a real hard time accepting that maybe someone else is taking the discipline to new levels. Instead of opposing that, you should applaud that and thank people like Eddie Bravo who contribute to the sport your family has contributed also. Opposing that is futile and is just bad for the Gracie name.
Because don't fool yourself. You can keep trying to avoid it and deny it, but everyone saw it for themselves and you'll have a real hard time finding anyone who isn't either a Gracie or a real diehard fan of the Gracie family that thinks Royler didn't lose that bout.
But it wasnt a point based match so your argument is completely irrelevant. One could also say that if it had not been a submission only tournament, and strikes were allowed, then Eddie wouldve got dominated.
But it wasnt, so no one got domiated.
Eklips Studios There's no strikes by Royler on the match but there's somebody dominating the other without speculations. Royler did nothing. The way this guys told it it's not objective.
Eklips Studios shut up, he got dominated.
Eklips Studios Your striking analogy doesn't make any sense-we're talking about jiu-jitsu. Viewing this match the way most jiu-jitsu competitions are scored when there isn't a submission makes sense. If you're going to bring up striking we may as well compare who had the better haircut. Also, even if we only look at this match as submission only, who was the one applying the most submissions during this match and was closest to finishing the fight? Eddie.
Ok Einstein what you wanted them to do run in here and say there family got is ass kick, how would you break it down if you and the gracies was related. put a video up and say my family got is ass kick, do some of you people think before y'all take. are mybe you are just a ass hole no more no less.
They broke this down perfectly in my opinion, even though if it was a point fight i think gracie would have bin out point. but on the other hand, i think they wouldn't have bin taking so much chances if that was the case. the gracies broke it down really respectful and gave both said there props in this video, but something is up with you that is preventing you from seeing that.
I love that the thumbnail to this video looks like royler is strangling Eddie. When it was royler who was fighting to survive for 15 minutes
Eddie took BJJ to a whole another level.
He didnt help ot at all,its kust different techniques and set ups but very creative
To be fair it is called "gracie breakdown" not "bjj breakdown". It's pretty ballsy to take credit for Eddie's innovations and write them off as Helio's credit, some "filter" bullshit. So Helio shouldn't get credit either, Japanese martial artists should.
This is incredibly biased.
Watch Eddie's own breakdown on this.
Why are the Gracie brothers always preaching about respect and being humble but when Royler gets visibly dominated by a unique style of jiujitsu our very own Rener and Ryron refuse to pay Eddie Bravo the respect he deserves. Eddie Bravo got in there and dominated Royler Gracie and Royler as good as he is barely made it out of that match walking on two legs. I love Royler and Eddie but give respect where respect is due. I would like to see the Gracie Brothers be more objective when they analyze different styles of jiujitsu. There are strengths to every style. That being said.. I think Royler is incredible. Still training hard at 48. I hope to have his training ethic at 48.
It doesn't even matter that they don't pay him any respect... He's won the respect many others.
Okay guys really enjoy your videos. And I know you guys are biased, but rightly so. Jiu Jitsu wouldnt be what it is today if it wasnt for The Gracie Family. But I must say. I find it petty of you guys to critique Eddie's strategy and style and say that it would be useless in mma, but it was a jiu bout bout. If it was mma he will not have approached it the same way. Dont presume.
Well... yeah! That's pretty much what he said. I heard him say that Eddie wouldn't have used half guard in a street/mma fight. That the half guard wasn't practical for street/mma fights cause you're likely to get belted in the face. Oh! an he said "filters" as well lol. What did you hear?
Royler got destroyed.
the argument that eddie's style of jiu-jitsu is inferior because it lacks street applicability is ridiculous. that would mean that a whole host of techniques would be considered inferior. like the de la riva guard, the berimbolo guard, spider guard and so on.. all of them lack street applicability. this isn't the streets.. this is jiu-jitsu.
give the man the credit he deserves.
Its funny you mention spider guard. I was taking self defense classes at a Gracie affiliate and what do you know, spider guard...
how can you guys go on and on about how Bravo's system is about certain attributes (like flexibility) and Gracie's is about fighting but not make any reference to the fact that if not for Roylers amazing flexibility he would have tapped many times during that match. His flexibility saved him in this match - not his jiu jitsu technique.
You are absolutely correct my friend. Eddie will always have Royler's number, but they will never admit to it.
Wow that is so true. They really contradicted themselves on the flexibility.
All for anti-bullying & jj intro to new ppl. But the rest of this was so left handed. A major turning point in jj happened and the brothers totally undermined it! Eddie dominated the crown prince of bjj. Please ACKNOWLEDGE this, guys. And change that awful biased thumbnail !
Eddie fcked royler up, quit making excuses about a street fight. If its a street fight I'm curb stomping or picking up a brick its bjj and all the Gracie's are butt Hurt. Eddie sweeped royler at will.
You would have to be a Gracie to understand their mentality, pride, etc. this break down is very unbiased, Ryron and Rener are awesome, and gave nothing but respect to bravo. Lets see if bravo could as you said "fuk up" leo viera, i think not, search youtube Leo veira vs eddie bravo ADCC 2003. peace
*swept
Kinosis79 nicely said
1. If you've done BJJ you should know that in the sport of BJJ you can be just as deadly from your back. Royler being physically on top don't mean diddly. 2. those "sweeps" that Royler was doing were not sweeps at all. there were several times where Eddie rocked back to gain a more favorable position and then rocked back forward. If you knew the technique he was using you would understand that. Your arguing out of ignorance.
I wasn't expecting a 10th Planet commercial for this breakdown but come on! Even the thumbnail is bias BS. Guys acknowledge Eddie dominance and recognize there's evolution going on here.
What are you talking about?
Read the comments and catch up
I came away from this feeling like you've basically said people shouldn't go to 10th planet to learn because their techniques aren't street applicable and they will only work for Eddie because he is flexible.
***** they weren't keeping it real to the highest level.
these guys are nothing but tools. they tell you that you can learn all this bullshit online although even Royce shitted on their online b.s.
***** actually he supplements his training online...the rest of your point is moot
***** Why are you so angry?
***** What I took away from their explanation of the "filter" was that the berimbolo and the lockdown, etc are all nice techniques. It's just that newbies need to be aware that you could spend years perfecting certain flashy styles but if you don't have the proper attributes that allow them to work, you won't be effective and you will waste time. Or you could get smashed by a larger opponent in a street fight.
Over the years I've seen the BJJ community have that shiny ball mentality and the newbies just keep puttering along aimlessly because they think a new move that worked for this one champion will be their answer to getting better. They get frustrated and you never see them again. Ryron and Rener are trying to appeal to those people. They're not trying to appeal to the crowd that toughs it out and stays in BJJ competition.
Bravo didn't just win, he dominated
The lockdown and eletric chair was recently used and displayed on Inside MMA and a fighter tapped another fighter out with it instead of using it as a sweep. It can work and the double underhooks with the lockdown make it so effective. Eddie created his system for mma and is more effective than your normal bjj techniques for taking less punishment.