NCR Aligned:Ulysses sees you as a hypocrite . House aligned:Sees you as someone who’s stuck in the past, kinda like he is. Legion aligned:Sees you as a remnant of something that destroyed his tribe. Independent:still trying to figure out what you stand for.
*Watches nuclear devastation* Fuckin takes a sip from canteen. My Legion playthroughs are very few and far apart. So seeing this is just a reminder that there is something new to do, always. Such a small game, more than 10 years old, made in under a year, and still manages to keep on giving, and the modding community is still going strong.
I've done every play through but helping the Legion. I just can't tolerate Fascism even in video games lol. Plus my favorite part is when "Caesar" was like "I can't believe you actually have the balls to show up, before I kill you do you have anything to say." I like to wait to respond to his invitation\pardon until I've wrecked his stuff thoroughly. Not gonna knock someone for playing Legion, my buddy prefers it thinks it's more fun.
Ulysses did briefly consider joining the Brotherhood of Steel, and was even offered a place by Christine, but turned it down because he didn't see a future in them.
He accuses you of disobeying Caesar and using NCR tactics. And yet he's doing the same thing to a more extreme degree. Seems like he's more upset that the Legion philosophy he and his brothers devoted themselves was so easily undone simply with facts of the current world
@@thefatherinthecave943 The implication that democracy is a superior political system when in canon it led to the world nuking itself is pretty funny. Dumb, but funny
@@blinkyy1088 1. He didn't say democracy was superior, he said fascism was stupid. But you attacked him to defend what? Fascism? Sus 2. The world wasn't democratic when the bombs fell. China most certainly wasn't, and the US turned authoritarian years previously when the Enclave started to form and Mexico plus Canada were occupied
I made it about five minutes into the vid before I had to reinstall NV again just to create a stabby lunatic build to gut Ulysses. It's amazing how few times it takes to hear "The BEAR, and the BUHLL" before it triggers a sort of Manchurian Candidate response. It starts with eye twitching, and rapidly proceeds to desperately looking for the nearest "mute button" sized rock.
Never heard this dialogue! However it makes me sad going through this dialogue and remembering that the world-building in The Lonesome Road was absolutely a let down. Every piece of lore or documentation is either from pre-war people or NCR troops. We never learn a single thing about what The Divide actually WAS or why its people were special As a sad result of being the last content we got from New Vegas, The Lonesome Road's lore served only to forecast the emptiness of future Fallout games
It has to be deliberate that there’s no record of the Hopeville community. Not only because it was nuked but because of themes of the DLC. Ulysses is a man obsessed with history. He finds a community disconnected from the Old World but he has no memory of it to pass on. All of it is gone.
@@impcit5717 I'm on the fence if it was a deliberate omission or just because of laziness but it's unforgivable either way. No way pre-war evidence survives, NCR evidence survives, but The Divide didn't. I think it might be laziness because it's easier for the writers to Tell through Ulysses rather than have to Show. But we can take the designers into consideration. Project director Chris Avellone said the nuke option came into play at the end of the DLC because he was tired of how civilized the Fallout world was becoming and wanted to "reset the clock" on the wasteland. This could speak to why he didn't even care to develop The Divide's history at all or sort of malevolently decided to leave it out because he felt like the Apocalypse should always be the Apocalypse.
@@trianglemoebius no that's not the point. Ulysses can be blinded by his ideology and it's possible to take some sense into him but that doesn't mean The Divide wasn't special. Indeed, as a well-worn traveler he is able to speak of the NCR, the Legion, the White Legs, the New Canaanites etc. with authority. It matters deeply to Ulysses and Ulysses, as someone mentioned by the Think Tank, by Elijah, by Joshua Graham, who trained the White Legs, who discovered Hoover Damn for the Legion, is supposed to be a worldly and knowledgeable character. And thus we're supposed to just trust his word. But, of course this falls apart because THERE IS NO BACKING EVIDENCE. Or! Even evidence to challenge his claim - no signs of corruption or slavery or whatever. The point is, we don't even KNOW there was a post-war society in the Divide outside Ulysses saying so. It might as well have been an abandoned road. And that's the problem The designers were just too lazy to develop the Divide. Ulysses insists there is an importance there and there must be - if not, the whole DLC is just a giant waste of time. If the Divide WASN'T important and therefore The Courier's role in its destruction ISN'T a big deal, then the quest you are on loses all its meaning. And whether or not The Divide was "special" or not - I still want the lore! Good, bad, flaws or stories - whatever! The fact we only find pre-war lore and NCR lore there is so STUPID and LAZY
@@justinferraro1926 the divide itself is not important, but rather what it represnts to ulysses. ulysses is the foil to the player. he gives himself and his actions with a weight and seriousness that the player character does not have- the average player operates with reckless abandon, self interest, or like you and many of us, they seek to be entertained by good dialogue and plot etc. and despite this gap, despite ulysses having principles he follows to the tee, he sees his home destroyed by a courier who doesnt even care or give a second thought to it. just following the questmarker. at the start of base game we are basically just not even aware of the divide. its not that we have amnesia, the devs said that much- we just dont think about the ramifications of our actions. we do this every day in our real life, and many walk down their path without reflecting on where they've been. so ulysses is traumatized, he lost not just his home but his purpose and the meaning he in saw the world. he takes your apathy and amplifies it 1000x, and says, well this doesnt matter, its a game, nothing has weight, so why not just end it all anyway? this is why the ending is "war never changes, so men must change by the roads they walk". DLC definitely had its issues but I think it deserves more credit for what it tried to do. def unfair to say they were lazy, with 18 months they may have been working harder than any game studio at the time. but its open to interpretation, just my thoughts, thanks for reading if u still here
Ulysses... Dude is a broken record, and all because the courier shattered his idealism. So now he's out for revenge, but it's not revenge, because Ulysses is an absolute joke. Dude would cast voodoo spells on you if he thought they would get his not-revenge.
@@DD8842 Of course he is. He's so completely lacking of self awareness, that you can see the lack of it from orbit. Edit: I somehow managed to not write the word 'see'.
@@ManuFortis Dude is rambling about how "guns and bombs and mines are the NCR's weapons" with sneering derision. While ignoring how the Legion uses every non-energy weapon it can get its hands on. The Legion grants guns to soldiers as rewards for service. And entirely because the Legion are savages who don't have access to enough guns, or skilled gunsmiths, to equip everyone equally. They make recruits use knives and swords because the Legion is POOR, and Caesar values human lives less than working firearms, not because it's more honourable. That's a massive cope. And the Legion have zero qualms about throwing around grenades, using artillery (if they can get it working), and even planting mines. They hide mines under dead NCR soldiers as traps, and there are a few landmines placed around Legion-held Nelson in-game. And Caesar is perfectly happy to make use of the Boomers and their repaired bomber plane.
@@tbotalpha8133 Yeah, you basically said it. As I said to the other person, he's lacking a lot of self awareness. He's basically the equivilant of activists in the environmentalism side of things IRL, who still wear synthetic clothes, use cellphones, drive a vehicle (even EV's), and eat foods grown or raised with the mass agriculture methods we tend to use today. All of this, while protesting the very things that make any of it possible. No self awareness, at all.
@@ManuFortis I never really liked this take. It's too simplistic for my taste. I don't like capitalism, but I live in a capitalistic system and do not have the necessary resources or skills to fuck off into some ungoverned wasteland - does that make me a hypocrite then, if I ever complain against it, or seek to change the system through political means? But then everyone whoever complains about a society they live in who can not easily leave would be a hypocrite - robbing the word of any descriptive value, of any meaning, morally or otherwise. In other words, that'd be asinine. You can be actively against a system while participating in it - especially if the system is set up in a way as to make withdrawal from it difficult. There is also the possibility of the means justifying the ends - what, if in order to enact meaningful change, you have to participate in a system to aquire the necessary power or resources? Surely you agree that without any form of modern communication, organizing any sort of movement is an arduous task with only limited effectiveness? Complaining about synthetic clothes is one thing (always assuming the alternatives are both simple and readily availabe - I know very little about environmentalism and its challenges) - but to believe that any sort of effective movement can be organized without modern means of communication in todays age strikes me, forgive my bluntness, as stupid. I do admit there are reasonable lines to be drawn, but small amounts of hypocrisy don't necessarily invalidate a message or a persons stance, depending on how hard or easy it is to avoid. For example, I don't like abusive labour practices - but I simply can not spend the time to fully research each and every single supply chain of every thing I buy. Even if I could, there is always the chance that I could get it wrong. Does that mean I should never complain, or the that the complaint in itself is fundamentally wrong, factually or morally? No. Not necessarily. Not without any further solid argumentation. To believe otherwise is simplistic and asinine. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
Really feels different if you're doing a Legion run but I Can't say I'll ever like him as an antagonist that's had so much buildup from all the DLCs plus a few mentions in the early game.
Ulysses has dialogue if you have no allegiances, and been vilified by both Legion and NCR. He expresses some contempt for the Courier, stating that the shadows of both will soon come down on them.
Dude's just mad about never being able to take revenge on Vulpes for his tribe and has transferred that anger on to you. You are much less responsible for hopeville than Vulpes is for the twisted hairs, but Vulpes is untouchable because of ceaser. Even Lanius can't just murder him.
Was there any special dialogue for honest hearts if you found all of The Survivalist Randall Clarks journals? Like convincing Daniel that fighting back is what The Survivalist wanted for them?
as i see Divide after my runs and this video, Divide was isolated peace of almost untouched land of America where people settled after Courier found a road inside. He was a main reason this place was given a new live. Who cared about people where. It had technologies and maybe even good soil and water. Aaand then courier found somekind of detonator wich set rocket to go.
@@engeerror8161it was NCR afaik. They found a device and wanted it delivered to them, so they hired the Courier. As soon as that device reached Divide all hell broke loose.
@engeerror8161 (Alot of stuff to read down below) I wish our guy didn't really discover anything (i feel we need to be not not really be that important), i know there is an option where you can tell Ulysses "yo don't know, don't remember" but i feel it make more sense you bombed it then discovered it at first then accidently bombed it. I do feel like they shoulda had it where ya ain't implied to be from california (Ulysses implies it?) but think my recollection maybe wrong? But lonesome road works out for me, but i do think it gotta be apparent we should be similar to Caesar and founders of the NCR as they too were nobodies until they made something of themselves like were doing. Why the dlcs felt so epic to me besides the main game where we literally hunt down a tribal in a fancy suit. Had to ignore Ulysses implications as like roleplaying characters that aint always part of factions and their own thing, coming from a different wasteland or nomadic.
NCR Aligned:Ulysses sees you as a hypocrite .
House aligned:Sees you as someone who’s stuck in the past, kinda like he is.
Legion aligned:Sees you as a remnant of something that destroyed his tribe.
Independent:still trying to figure out what you stand for.
[Speech 100] Bear this! Bull that! How about you go get yourself some Bad Bitches!?
Truly a "Bull Bear Bull Bull" moment. Can we get a jingle jangle in the chat?
spurs
Jingle
Haha imageing if the courier live streamed his little escapades. "Chat this guy is a bonefide yapper!"
*Watches nuclear devastation*
Fuckin takes a sip from canteen.
My Legion playthroughs are very few and far apart. So seeing this is just a reminder that there is something new to do, always. Such a small game, more than 10 years old, made in under a year, and still manages to keep on giving, and the modding community is still going strong.
I've done every play through but helping the Legion. I just can't tolerate Fascism even in video games lol. Plus my favorite part is when "Caesar" was like "I can't believe you actually have the balls to show up, before I kill you do you have anything to say." I like to wait to respond to his invitation\pardon until I've wrecked his stuff thoroughly.
Not gonna knock someone for playing Legion, my buddy prefers it thinks it's more fun.
fallout new vegas was NOT made in under a year you lying treacherous freak
"Fascism is when roman empire larp"
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket you have no idea what fascism means
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket It's not fascism it's totalitarianism. Also, MAGA 2024 BABY!
Last I heard you needed a weapon to fight for Caesar
"That why they kicked you out [Ulysses]?"
New Vegas is the gift that keeps on giving
Bear, Bull, Bear, Bull...Ulysses have you considered Bot? Or Steel?
Nah more of a Eagle type a guy.
I prefer Hydras myself…
minute or rail minute or rail
child or follower, child or follower
Ulysses did briefly consider joining the Brotherhood of Steel, and was even offered a place by Christine, but turned it down because he didn't see a future in them.
Course it ends with a sip from that trusty canteen
You take a sip from your trusty vault 13 canteen.
You gotta lay off the under aged anime girl schlock.
@@mkultra2456 its ok i like them big.
@@Wunitop No you like them small. You should be ashamed of yourself.
There's always something new to be discovered within New Vegas.
For all its flaws, it'll go down as a masterpiece.
bros mad noone knows his name
I wonder if he would be having this monologue to a pigeon had it delivered the package that blew up the divide instead of courier 6.
Yeah imagine if he actually had to come to terms with how life is random and the places you love can be swept away in an instant.
He accuses you of disobeying Caesar and using NCR tactics. And yet he's doing the same thing to a more extreme degree.
Seems like he's more upset that the Legion philosophy he and his brothers devoted themselves was so easily undone simply with facts of the current world
That’s fascism for you
that's what happens when you try to go off of a system that broke down like 2 thousand years ago
@@thefatherinthecave943 The implication that democracy is a superior political system when in canon it led to the world nuking itself is pretty funny. Dumb, but funny
@@blinkyy1088 Democracy didn't lead to the world nuking itself, a lack of resources did lol.
@@blinkyy1088 1. He didn't say democracy was superior, he said fascism was stupid. But you attacked him to defend what? Fascism? Sus
2. The world wasn't democratic when the bombs fell. China most certainly wasn't, and the US turned authoritarian years previously when the Enclave started to form and Mexico plus Canada were occupied
I went through the whole game as a female courier idolized with the legion just to see what he said.
I had to speedrun this DLC cuz bro would not stop YAPPIN
I made it about five minutes into the vid before I had to reinstall NV again just to create a stabby lunatic build to gut Ulysses. It's amazing how few times it takes to hear "The BEAR, and the BUHLL" before it triggers a sort of Manchurian Candidate response. It starts with eye twitching, and rapidly proceeds to desperately looking for the nearest "mute button" sized rock.
Is Ulysses a firetruck and his wee woo is bull bear?
Never heard this dialogue! However it makes me sad going through this dialogue and remembering that the world-building in The Lonesome Road was absolutely a let down. Every piece of lore or documentation is either from pre-war people or NCR troops. We never learn a single thing about what The Divide actually WAS or why its people were special
As a sad result of being the last content we got from New Vegas, The Lonesome Road's lore served only to forecast the emptiness of future Fallout games
It has to be deliberate that there’s no record of the Hopeville community. Not only because it was nuked but because of themes of the DLC. Ulysses is a man obsessed with history. He finds a community disconnected from the Old World but he has no memory of it to pass on. All of it is gone.
@@impcit5717 I'm on the fence if it was a deliberate omission or just because of laziness but it's unforgivable either way. No way pre-war evidence survives, NCR evidence survives, but The Divide didn't. I think it might be laziness because it's easier for the writers to Tell through Ulysses rather than have to Show.
But we can take the designers into consideration. Project director Chris Avellone said the nuke option came into play at the end of the DLC because he was tired of how civilized the Fallout world was becoming and wanted to "reset the clock" on the wasteland. This could speak to why he didn't even care to develop The Divide's history at all or sort of malevolently decided to leave it out because he felt like the Apocalypse should always be the Apocalypse.
It *wasn't* special, that's the point. Ulysses is full of it, blinded by the same flaws he accuses others of.
@@trianglemoebius no that's not the point. Ulysses can be blinded by his ideology and it's possible to take some sense into him but that doesn't mean The Divide wasn't special. Indeed, as a well-worn traveler he is able to speak of the NCR, the Legion, the White Legs, the New Canaanites etc. with authority.
It matters deeply to Ulysses and Ulysses, as someone mentioned by the Think Tank, by Elijah, by Joshua Graham, who trained the White Legs, who discovered Hoover Damn for the Legion, is supposed to be a worldly and knowledgeable character. And thus we're supposed to just trust his word. But, of course this falls apart because THERE IS NO BACKING EVIDENCE. Or! Even evidence to challenge his claim - no signs of corruption or slavery or whatever. The point is, we don't even KNOW there was a post-war society in the Divide outside Ulysses saying so. It might as well have been an abandoned road. And that's the problem
The designers were just too lazy to develop the Divide. Ulysses insists there is an importance there and there must be - if not, the whole DLC is just a giant waste of time. If the Divide WASN'T important and therefore The Courier's role in its destruction ISN'T a big deal, then the quest you are on loses all its meaning.
And whether or not The Divide was "special" or not - I still want the lore! Good, bad, flaws or stories - whatever! The fact we only find pre-war lore and NCR lore there is so STUPID and LAZY
@@justinferraro1926 the divide itself is not important, but rather what it represnts to ulysses. ulysses is the foil to the player. he gives himself and his actions with a weight and seriousness that the player character does not have- the average player operates with reckless abandon, self interest, or like you and many of us, they seek to be entertained by good dialogue and plot etc. and despite this gap, despite ulysses having principles he follows to the tee, he sees his home destroyed by a courier who doesnt even care or give a second thought to it. just following the questmarker. at the start of base game we are basically just not even aware of the divide. its not that we have amnesia, the devs said that much- we just dont think about the ramifications of our actions. we do this every day in our real life, and many walk down their path without reflecting on where they've been.
so ulysses is traumatized, he lost not just his home but his purpose and the meaning he in saw the world. he takes your apathy and amplifies it 1000x, and says, well this doesnt matter, its a game, nothing has weight, so why not just end it all anyway? this is why the ending is "war never changes, so men must change by the roads they walk".
DLC definitely had its issues but I think it deserves more credit for what it tried to do. def unfair to say they were lazy, with 18 months they may have been working harder than any game studio at the time. but its open to interpretation, just my thoughts, thanks for reading if u still here
Ulysses... Dude is a broken record, and all because the courier shattered his idealism. So now he's out for revenge, but it's not revenge, because Ulysses is an absolute joke.
Dude would cast voodoo spells on you if he thought they would get his not-revenge.
He told Ceasar about the dam he's putting his faults on the courier
@@DD8842 Of course he is. He's so completely lacking of self awareness, that you can see the lack of it from orbit.
Edit: I somehow managed to not write the word 'see'.
@@ManuFortis Dude is rambling about how "guns and bombs and mines are the NCR's weapons" with sneering derision. While ignoring how the Legion uses every non-energy weapon it can get its hands on.
The Legion grants guns to soldiers as rewards for service. And entirely because the Legion are savages who don't have access to enough guns, or skilled gunsmiths, to equip everyone equally. They make recruits use knives and swords because the Legion is POOR, and Caesar values human lives less than working firearms, not because it's more honourable. That's a massive cope.
And the Legion have zero qualms about throwing around grenades, using artillery (if they can get it working), and even planting mines. They hide mines under dead NCR soldiers as traps, and there are a few landmines placed around Legion-held Nelson in-game. And Caesar is perfectly happy to make use of the Boomers and their repaired bomber plane.
@@tbotalpha8133 Yeah, you basically said it. As I said to the other person, he's lacking a lot of self awareness.
He's basically the equivilant of activists in the environmentalism side of things IRL, who still wear synthetic clothes, use cellphones, drive a vehicle (even EV's), and eat foods grown or raised with the mass agriculture methods we tend to use today. All of this, while protesting the very things that make any of it possible.
No self awareness, at all.
@@ManuFortis I never really liked this take. It's too simplistic for my taste.
I don't like capitalism, but I live in a capitalistic system and do not have the necessary resources or skills to fuck off into some ungoverned wasteland - does that make me a hypocrite then, if I ever complain against it, or seek to change the system through political means? But then everyone whoever complains about a society they live in who can not easily leave would be a hypocrite - robbing the word of any descriptive value, of any meaning, morally or otherwise. In other words, that'd be asinine.
You can be actively against a system while participating in it - especially if the system is set up in a way as to make withdrawal from it difficult. There is also the possibility of the means justifying the ends - what, if in order to enact meaningful change, you have to participate in a system to aquire the necessary power or resources? Surely you agree that without any form of modern communication, organizing any sort of movement is an arduous task with only limited effectiveness? Complaining about synthetic clothes is one thing (always assuming the alternatives are both simple and readily availabe - I know very little about environmentalism and its challenges) - but to believe that any sort of effective movement can be organized without modern means of communication in todays age strikes me, forgive my bluntness, as stupid.
I do admit there are reasonable lines to be drawn, but small amounts of hypocrisy don't necessarily invalidate a message or a persons stance, depending on how hard or easy it is to avoid. For example, I don't like abusive labour practices - but I simply can not spend the time to fully research each and every single supply chain of every thing I buy. Even if I could, there is always the chance that I could get it wrong. Does that mean I should never complain, or the that the complaint in itself is fundamentally wrong, factually or morally?
No. Not necessarily. Not without any further solid argumentation. To believe otherwise is simplistic and asinine.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
Really feels different if you're doing a Legion run but I Can't say I'll ever like him as an antagonist that's had so much buildup from all the DLCs plus a few mentions in the early game.
You gotta lay off the feminine looking anime things.
Oh no ex war criminal becomes sad boy and wants to blow up everything cause he feels different things now.
Ulysses has dialogue if you have no allegiances, and been vilified by both Legion and NCR. He expresses some contempt for the Courier, stating that the shadows of both will soon come down on them.
Try a female Legionnaire, that's also got some hidden dialogue.
This video makes my brain release those good chemicals
Dude's just mad about never being able to take revenge on Vulpes for his tribe and has transferred that anger on to you. You are much less responsible for hopeville than Vulpes is for the twisted hairs, but Vulpes is untouchable because of ceaser. Even Lanius can't just murder him.
Imagine if Ulysses joined the Enclave
Was there any special dialogue for honest hearts if you found all of The Survivalist Randall Clarks journals? Like convincing Daniel that fighting back is what The Survivalist wanted for them?
God ulysses is profoundly stupid
Holy shit, this goes HARD
I hate Ulysses so much
Hey can you do one for the dialogue of mrhouse/strip for Ulysses
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The Divide was true America, maybe even Enclave.
as i see Divide after my runs and this video, Divide was isolated peace of almost untouched land of America where people settled after Courier found a road inside. He was a main reason this place was given a new live. Who cared about people where. It had technologies and maybe even good soil and water. Aaand then courier found somekind of detonator wich set rocket to go.
@@engeerror8161it was NCR afaik. They found a device and wanted it delivered to them, so they hired the Courier. As soon as that device reached Divide all hell broke loose.
@engeerror8161
(Alot of stuff to read down below)
I wish our guy didn't really discover anything (i feel we need to be not not really be that important), i know there is an option where you can tell Ulysses "yo don't know, don't remember" but i feel it make more sense you bombed it then discovered it at first then accidently bombed it.
I do feel like they shoulda had it where ya ain't implied to be from california (Ulysses implies it?) but think my recollection maybe wrong?
But lonesome road works out for me, but i do think it gotta be apparent we should be similar to Caesar and founders of the NCR as they too were nobodies until they made something of themselves like were doing.
Why the dlcs felt so epic to me besides the main game where we literally hunt down a tribal in a fancy suit.
Had to ignore Ulysses implications as like roleplaying characters that aint always part of factions and their own thing, coming from a different wasteland or nomadic.
In this game i simp only for Caesar (and the slaves girls).
True to caesar
Ave, true to Caesar
666
16:25 bro actually got so mad he showed the finger