As someone who played anje for a long time but unfortunately ended up giving up the deck. I’m happy to see that there are those who are still maddened enough to play the deck.
If you discard a card with madness but don’t cast it, Shadow of the Grave can find it in your graveyard. If you do cast that card, Shadow of the Grave can’t find it in your graveyard. In games 1 & 2 Ryan returned cards they casted for the Madness cost from their graveyard to their hand. They are considered new objects, Shadow shouldn't have returned them. This is a niche rules interaction and easy error to make.
Was thinking the same thing. Here's the ruling, on the gatherer page for Shadow: If you discard a card with madness but don't cast it, Shadow of the Grave can find it in your graveyard. If you do cast that card, Shadow of the Grave can't find it in your graveyard.
The explanation is that it changes zones. If you discard a madness card, you discard it into exile; then, if it's not cast, it goes to the graveyard. This double zone change should be enough for effects to "lose track" of it, but there's a special rule for this particular case, rule 400.7k: "After resolving a madness triggered ability (see rule 702.35), if the exiled card wasn’t cast and was moved to a public zone, effects referencing the discarded card can find that object." However, if you do cast the card, it moves from exile _to the stack_ (as it is cast from exile), which causes any effect referencing that card to not find it anymore. Since rule 400.7k doesn't cover this case, it's just lost.
Super minor misplay with Shadow of the Grave. Because Call of the Netherworld was cast, it wouldn't be returned with Shadow of the Grave. Super niche interaction because who actually casts any other Madness card, but still fun to know
Unfortunately I've found that many decks fall into this category, with the main barrier being that fast mana. Best if you can find a table/group/shop that is ok with proxies!
Nah, g3 John was slinging banger after banger. He would have definitely either set himself up in such an amazing position or just have won the game so them keeping him off those cards was the right play.
I'll have to disagree. Although she can be very fast, she's also way too easy to interact with. Especially in CEDH. Also takes a certain amount of dumb luck to find the needed pieces, even if you are drawing (potentially) rather quickly through your deck to combo off.
She's the bonafide "aggro" of cedh, I think. REALLY gets fast if unchecked, but if she doesnt win turn 4/5 she runs out of gas and/or gets handled easily
Anje is explosive, but flops very hard to basically any interaction, even a well timed bounce spell will do. For example, for the main line of animate+worldgorger dragon simply responding to the world gorger trigger will leave the anje player with literally nothing but what's left in their hand.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG if you have 2 cards in hand you can deflecting swat it back, if you have 3 you also have tibalts trickery up. I understand the tech I just don't know how necessary it is.
Wait can someone help explain something to a noob? In game 3 when Worldgorger got destroyed, why did the second ability resolve before the first ability, resulting in all of Ryan's permanent's being destroyed? Why wouldn't the dragon entering the battlefield resolve, then it gets destroyed and leaves the battlefield (triggering second ability)? I guess I'm confused how he ended that turn with nothing on the table.
Worldgorger left the battlefield before its enter the battlefield trigger resolved, so the leave the battlefield trigger resolves first. Everything gets returned to the table, then everything gets exiled because that's the order of Worldgorger's abilities leaving the stack.
@@KuroiRenge I guess I'm just confused about why the abilities wouldn't resolve in order. It left the battlefield before the first trigger resolved, but why wouldn't the second trigger enter the "queue" behind the first trigger?
Great games! It's nice to see Anje even though she's fallen out of favor. Orchish Bowmasters may be final end for her. Also, Ryan's game 3 starting hand is incorrect. It shows a blood crypt in hand but blood crypt is fetched up lster in the game. Lastly, Lord Windgrace seemed pretty underpowered. Has it preformed in other games or is the deck just on the weaker side?
I've never understood why people continually use the Alms of the Vein loop with Anje once they have the Worlgorger combo going, when they could just pump their infinite mana into Avacyn's Judgement, which is also in the deck. And if that gets countered, there's always the Alms loop. It just seems like it would be easier to explain to your opponents and has fewer points of interaction.
(6:00) Shouldn´t you cast Alms of the Vein for its madness cost, because it will stay in exile and kozilek doesn´t shuffle it back to the library. Nevermind you got infinite mana anyway.
How can Ryan use Anje tap ability when it was cast on his turn? Doesn’t it still have summon sickness until,his next turn? Or is it because it was “at the end of johns turn”?, but should Anje still have summon sickness?
This approach gets around Deflecting Swat. You avacyn's Judgment for a million and someone can swat it to yourself. Also, if you have pain lands, like City of Brass, you cannot generate infinite mana. Cards like Alms of the Vein allow you to gain life to circumvent this issue.
@@TheSpiritombsableye He can order his triggers. If he discard kozilec before alms He can put kozilecs shuffle Trigger first on the stack and anje untapp on top. Still in Response to schuffle Titan Tap anje and dig to Alms.
Do your games not have a lot of table talk, or do you just prefer to cut it all out? I would be interested to hear the players, since a big part of the game is table talk.
I’m glad the Anje fans got their fix, but honestly there are few decks I find more annoying to watch. Even if you’re in the pod with the Anje player, so much of the game is spent watching them rummage and either find what they need or flop. Not a fan, sorry
That anje list is hella outdated, lots of questionable includes. Alms is ok for backup lines, but shuffle-Titians are a wasted slot. Not to mention worldgorger not being the best line period anymore
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG not denying that, but should definitely look into the broodlord lines with revolutionist, not to mention of kozalik was replaced with revolutionist (which has madness), you’d still be able to loop alms with him instead. I love seeing her regardless, but there are a lot of passionate anje players who have heavily optimized the deck over the years as we keep getting better cards
When you get to 3 mana and then your deck is essentially 50 cards big, Anje is pretty damn consistent. Ryan did have some cracked draws but landing Anje fast enough gets you into a combo state very fast.
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As a player who has Anje as one of only 3 cEDH decks, the words "live by the dragon, die by the dragon" never rang so true. Great games guys.🎉
Seeing Anje going toe to toe against Niv was unexpected
Madness cards are all really responsive.
I don't think Niv is that great at the table tbh. Just not as fast as other options, and anje is pretty fast clearly
It's nice not seeing partner commanders every once in a while
Partner was the worst that happened to commander
@@TheSteve_1992 I could not agree more.
Almost escaped a Thoracle win too...
Personally I love partners
"partner with" is what Partner should've been imo
As someone who played anje for a long time but unfortunately ended up giving up the deck. I’m happy to see that there are those who are still maddened enough to play the deck.
Why? The deck is amazing. Even better in non cedh
I really feel for John, especially with that opening hand game 2.. So many times I've been in that position and it was so exceedingly painful
If you discard a card with madness but don’t cast it, Shadow of the Grave can find it in your graveyard. If you do cast that card, Shadow of the Grave can’t find it in your graveyard.
In games 1 & 2 Ryan returned cards they casted for the Madness cost from their graveyard to their hand. They are considered new objects, Shadow shouldn't have returned them.
This is a niche rules interaction and easy error to make.
Was thinking the same thing. Here's the ruling, on the gatherer page for Shadow:
If you discard a card with madness but don't cast it, Shadow of the Grave can find it in your graveyard. If you do cast that card, Shadow of the Grave can't find it in your graveyard.
The explanation is that it changes zones. If you discard a madness card, you discard it into exile; then, if it's not cast, it goes to the graveyard. This double zone change should be enough for effects to "lose track" of it, but there's a special rule for this particular case, rule 400.7k: "After resolving a madness triggered ability (see rule 702.35), if the exiled card wasn’t cast and was moved to a public zone, effects referencing the discarded card can find that object."
However, if you do cast the card, it moves from exile _to the stack_ (as it is cast from exile), which causes any effect referencing that card to not find it anymore. Since rule 400.7k doesn't cover this case, it's just lost.
@@thomaslunn6601Thank you very good catch and one I'm sure I've missed in the past
Super minor misplay with Shadow of the Grave. Because Call of the Netherworld was cast, it wouldn't be returned with Shadow of the Grave. Super niche interaction because who actually casts any other Madness card, but still fun to know
That Anje deck looks so cool, and budget-cedh friendly, kinda. Besides all the fast mana
Oh it’s a blast. You can fully play without the fast mana with the right manabase and using ritual creatures like Skirk Prospector
It is, I have a "Budget cedh" Anje Deck too and it is a blast to play
@@felixibeler2723 list ?
Unfortunately I've found that many decks fall into this category, with the main barrier being that fast mana.
Best if you can find a table/group/shop that is ok with proxies!
@@semicolon_cancer1243 this. This so much.
Madness? THIS! IS! CEDH!
No this is Patrick
Really felt for John game 2, then game 3 seemed like he drew a lot more attention than necessary.
Nah, g3 John was slinging banger after banger. He would have definitely either set himself up in such an amazing position or just have won the game so them keeping him off those cards was the right play.
I must say that game 3, top marks to Cruz for his Gemstone luck counter.
Welp, I'm gonna be building Anje now as a second cEDH deck.
Nice games. Someone had a good day!
I feel for the narrator every time Anje is in played
Omg that was awesome. Give that anje deck a metal
Honestly surprised it’s been so long since we’ve seen Anje consider how good she’s is
I'll have to disagree. Although she can be very fast, she's also way too easy to interact with. Especially in CEDH. Also takes a certain amount of dumb luck to find the needed pieces, even if you are drawing (potentially) rather quickly through your deck to combo off.
She's the bonafide "aggro" of cedh, I think. REALLY gets fast if unchecked, but if she doesnt win turn 4/5 she runs out of gas and/or gets handled easily
Anje is explosive, but flops very hard to basically any interaction, even a well timed bounce spell will do. For example, for the main line of animate+worldgorger dragon simply responding to the world gorger trigger will leave the anje player with literally nothing but what's left in their hand.
it sucks to play against because it takes foreeeever to resolve the combo
@@morgoth2425its cedh that doesn’t really matter
“Is this the KrustyKrab?”
“No, this is madness”
Is he not on avacyn's judgment? The kozilek loops seem convoluted
Yeah was gonna say. I would rather just win with Ava Judgement or land loops
Avacyns judgment can be deflecting swatted.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG if you have 2 cards in hand you can deflecting swat it back, if you have 3 you also have tibalts trickery up. I understand the tech I just don't know how necessary it is.
Wait can someone help explain something to a noob? In game 3 when Worldgorger got destroyed, why did the second ability resolve before the first ability, resulting in all of Ryan's permanent's being destroyed? Why wouldn't the dragon entering the battlefield resolve, then it gets destroyed and leaves the battlefield (triggering second ability)? I guess I'm confused how he ended that turn with nothing on the table.
Worldgorger left the battlefield before its enter the battlefield trigger resolved, so the leave the battlefield trigger resolves first. Everything gets returned to the table, then everything gets exiled because that's the order of Worldgorger's abilities leaving the stack.
@@KuroiRenge I guess I'm just confused about why the abilities wouldn't resolve in order. It left the battlefield before the first trigger resolved, but why wouldn't the second trigger enter the "queue" behind the first trigger?
cool 300 reference
…John and I run the same commander, wincons, and sleeves… John, I would love to get a mirror match going against you some day.
Sisay fan here
Hey guys, are the sleeves out of stock? I want to buy some but the page says “item not found”
Great games! It's nice to see Anje even though she's fallen out of favor. Orchish Bowmasters may be final end for her.
Also, Ryan's game 3 starting hand is incorrect. It shows a blood crypt in hand but blood crypt is fetched up lster in the game.
Lastly, Lord Windgrace seemed pretty underpowered. Has it preformed in other games or is the deck just on the weaker side?
Ive seen it in person as a strong deck. Won like 4/7 games that night, and was built as 3color gitrog basically.
Madness at any cost.
Love Anje. Worldgorger just sooo sketchy though...
Uhg I love watching selvala play! She is so freaking good.
I’ve been looking for upgrades to Anje as a new player and this list is clearly super potent…. Put them I saw the prices for some of those cards….
Orcish Bowmasters about to ruin Anje's whole career
100% kill on sight
Anje ❤
♥
Why didn't Cruz tutor in response to the grafdiggers cage?
I've never understood why people continually use the Alms of the Vein loop with Anje once they have the Worlgorger combo going, when they could just pump their infinite mana into Avacyn's Judgement, which is also in the deck. And if that gets countered, there's always the Alms loop. It just seems like it would be easier to explain to your opponents and has fewer points of interaction.
If Deflecting Swat didn't exist, I think it might be the default option.
That's my girl🥹
(6:00) Shouldn´t you cast Alms of the Vein for its madness cost, because it will stay in exile and kozilek doesn´t shuffle it back to the library.
Nevermind you got infinite mana anyway.
If you don't cast a madness spell it goes to your GY
How can Ryan use Anje tap ability when it was cast on his turn? Doesn’t it still have summon sickness until,his next turn? Or is it because it was “at the end of johns turn”?, but should Anje still have summon sickness?
It has haste.
HA YOU THOUGHT ANJE WAS DONE? WE HAVEN'T EVEN SCRATCHED THE SURFACE OF HER POWER! MUWAHAHAHAHA!
Living by the dragon and dying by the dragon is the only way I know how to live
Anje Brokenrath
So for the Anne footballs loop, why couldn’t you have used Anje to discard rootwalla and then drawing your deck that way?
What if on cast of world gorger I cast teffaries
@7:50 dockside should have only created 3 treasures
Lion's Eye Diamond, Mox Diamond, Urza's saga (sneaky enchantment) and Jeweled Lotus equal 4 treasures.
@@semicolon_cancer1243 i forgot dockside counts enchantments
Absolutely amazing showing guys!
I felt John's pain when Ragavan exiled that land he needed to draw so much...
Another Colourless land wouldn't have gotten him to Windgrace anyways
@@SMXanathar A tapped land too
Anje!!!!! \(^o^)/
Isn't it easier to simply cast avacyn's judgment to oneshot everyone instead of looping the whole deck, Gitrog-style?
This approach gets around Deflecting Swat. You avacyn's Judgment for a million and someone can swat it to yourself. Also, if you have pain lands, like City of Brass, you cannot generate infinite mana. Cards like Alms of the Vein allow you to gain life to circumvent this issue.
Yes, but doing spell loops is a lot safer in case of Swat/Misdirection
As there's a chance that Alms will be the last card in the deck every time, without a second discard outlet, that 1st game is illegal.
If I'm missing something, please let me know.
Even if it is you could shuffle your deck back in and just not cast it that loop
@@TheSpiritombsableye He can order his triggers. If he discard kozilec before alms He can put kozilecs shuffle Trigger first on the stack and anje untapp on top. Still in Response to schuffle Titan Tap anje and dig to Alms.
Do your games not have a lot of table talk, or do you just prefer to cut it all out? I would be interested to hear the players, since a big part of the game is table talk.
We cut it and narrate it. There is plenty of table talk at every game.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG That makes sense! I just wish we got to hear more of it, but I also think the editing makes it very entertaining.
I’m glad the Anje fans got their fix, but honestly there are few decks I find more annoying to watch. Even if you’re in the pod with the Anje player, so much of the game is spent watching them rummage and either find what they need or flop. Not a fan, sorry
Zack getting rid of my boy Rocco ;/
John uses the ugliest sleeves in existence just to mess with his opponents doesn't he? There is no other explanation lol
Mono green playing a forest typical
That anje list is hella outdated, lots of questionable includes. Alms is ok for backup lines, but shuffle-Titians are a wasted slot. Not to mention worldgorger not being the best line period anymore
Still pulled more than its weight tonight.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG not denying that, but should definitely look into the broodlord lines with revolutionist, not to mention of kozalik was replaced with revolutionist (which has madness), you’d still be able to loop alms with him instead. I love seeing her regardless, but there are a lot of passionate anje players who have heavily optimized the deck over the years as we keep getting better cards
Excuse me what....
LETS GOOOOOO BUTCH LESBIAN VAMPIRE CONTENT
I play high powered but a turn 2 win isn't even fun. Not interested in playing solitaire or watching someone else play it.
respect to whoever made it, but that has to be my least favorite version of Sisay. feel like you might as well just play Kenrith with that list.
This sisay deck man. The Planeswalker build is so much more efficient.
man Ryan really got lucky these games. Anje shouldn't be this consistent, mathematically speaking.
When you get to 3 mana and then your deck is essentially 50 cards big, Anje is pretty damn consistent. Ryan did have some cracked draws but landing Anje fast enough gets you into a combo state very fast.