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Комментарии • 111

  • @Duskraven377
    @Duskraven377 Год назад +21

    As a player who has Anje as one of only 3 cEDH decks, the words "live by the dragon, die by the dragon" never rang so true. Great games guys.🎉

  • @JacketedRock717
    @JacketedRock717 Год назад +21

    As someone who played anje for a long time but unfortunately ended up giving up the deck. I’m happy to see that there are those who are still maddened enough to play the deck.

    • @rodrigoquiroz
      @rodrigoquiroz 11 месяцев назад

      Why? The deck is amazing. Even better in non cedh

  • @fwop7436
    @fwop7436 Год назад +83

    Seeing Anje going toe to toe against Niv was unexpected

    • @elikorn8777
      @elikorn8777 Год назад +1

      Madness cards are all really responsive.

    • @ganondorc8546
      @ganondorc8546 Год назад

      I don't think Niv is that great at the table tbh. Just not as fast as other options, and anje is pretty fast clearly

  • @kristopherwatts9466
    @kristopherwatts9466 Год назад +24

    I really feel for John, especially with that opening hand game 2.. So many times I've been in that position and it was so exceedingly painful

  • @marcellusjordan5681
    @marcellusjordan5681 Год назад +197

    It's nice not seeing partner commanders every once in a while

  • @chaosrules01
    @chaosrules01 Год назад +15

    Super minor misplay with Shadow of the Grave. Because Call of the Netherworld was cast, it wouldn't be returned with Shadow of the Grave. Super niche interaction because who actually casts any other Madness card, but still fun to know

  • @evanr1877
    @evanr1877 Год назад +60

    If you discard a card with madness but don’t cast it, Shadow of the Grave can find it in your graveyard. If you do cast that card, Shadow of the Grave can’t find it in your graveyard.
    In games 1 & 2 Ryan returned cards they casted for the Madness cost from their graveyard to their hand. They are considered new objects, Shadow shouldn't have returned them.
    This is a niche rules interaction and easy error to make.

    • @thomaslunn6601
      @thomaslunn6601 Год назад +12

      Was thinking the same thing. Here's the ruling, on the gatherer page for Shadow:
      If you discard a card with madness but don't cast it, Shadow of the Grave can find it in your graveyard. If you do cast that card, Shadow of the Grave can't find it in your graveyard.

    • @therealax6
      @therealax6 Год назад +5

      The explanation is that it changes zones. If you discard a madness card, you discard it into exile; then, if it's not cast, it goes to the graveyard. This double zone change should be enough for effects to "lose track" of it, but there's a special rule for this particular case, rule 400.7k: "After resolving a madness triggered ability (see rule 702.35), if the exiled card wasn’t cast and was moved to a public zone, effects referencing the discarded card can find that object."
      However, if you do cast the card, it moves from exile _to the stack_ (as it is cast from exile), which causes any effect referencing that card to not find it anymore. Since rule 400.7k doesn't cover this case, it's just lost.

    • @LastingDays
      @LastingDays 7 месяцев назад

      @@thomaslunn6601Thank you very good catch and one I'm sure I've missed in the past

  • @elephantguy0790
    @elephantguy0790 Год назад +4

    That Anje deck looks so cool, and budget-cedh friendly, kinda. Besides all the fast mana

    • @windy7820
      @windy7820 Год назад +2

      Oh it’s a blast. You can fully play without the fast mana with the right manabase and using ritual creatures like Skirk Prospector

    • @felixibeler2723
      @felixibeler2723 Год назад +1

      It is, I have a "Budget cedh" Anje Deck too and it is a blast to play

    • @Doricus
      @Doricus Год назад

      @@felixibeler2723 list ?

    • @semicolon_cancer1243
      @semicolon_cancer1243 Год назад +2

      Unfortunately I've found that many decks fall into this category, with the main barrier being that fast mana.
      Best if you can find a table/group/shop that is ok with proxies!

    • @windy7820
      @windy7820 Год назад +2

      @@semicolon_cancer1243 this. This so much.

  • @anthonyhansel9175
    @anthonyhansel9175 Год назад +5

    I must say that game 3, top marks to Cruz for his Gemstone luck counter.

  • @TheGrifcannon22
    @TheGrifcannon22 Год назад +21

    Really felt for John game 2, then game 3 seemed like he drew a lot more attention than necessary.

    • @salchi-papa
      @salchi-papa Год назад +5

      Nah, g3 John was slinging banger after banger. He would have definitely either set himself up in such an amazing position or just have won the game so them keeping him off those cards was the right play.

  • @Klinara
    @Klinara Год назад +9

    Madness? THIS! IS! CEDH!

  • @STVMcarbondragon
    @STVMcarbondragon Год назад +3

    Welp, I'm gonna be building Anje now as a second cEDH deck.

  • @neminem233
    @neminem233 Год назад +14

    Honestly surprised it’s been so long since we’ve seen Anje consider how good she’s is

    • @anthonyhansel9175
      @anthonyhansel9175 Год назад +10

      I'll have to disagree. Although she can be very fast, she's also way too easy to interact with. Especially in CEDH. Also takes a certain amount of dumb luck to find the needed pieces, even if you are drawing (potentially) rather quickly through your deck to combo off.

    • @MagnaDrake
      @MagnaDrake Год назад

      She's the bonafide "aggro" of cedh, I think. REALLY gets fast if unchecked, but if she doesnt win turn 4/5 she runs out of gas and/or gets handled easily

    • @Octania544
      @Octania544 Год назад +7

      Anje is explosive, but flops very hard to basically any interaction, even a well timed bounce spell will do. For example, for the main line of animate+worldgorger dragon simply responding to the world gorger trigger will leave the anje player with literally nothing but what's left in their hand.

    • @morgoth2425
      @morgoth2425 Год назад

      it sucks to play against because it takes foreeeever to resolve the combo

    • @DiscardatRandom
      @DiscardatRandom Год назад +1

      @@morgoth2425its cedh that doesn’t really matter

  • @TripsAhoy
    @TripsAhoy Год назад +1

    Nice games. Someone had a good day!

  • @arkofsoul5113
    @arkofsoul5113 Год назад +1

    I feel for the narrator every time Anje is in played

  • @aidanschauer1581
    @aidanschauer1581 Год назад +1

    Omg that was awesome. Give that anje deck a metal

  • @tobynburke4959
    @tobynburke4959 Год назад +3

    Is he not on avacyn's judgment? The kozilek loops seem convoluted

    • @Dracomandriuthus
      @Dracomandriuthus Год назад

      Yeah was gonna say. I would rather just win with Ava Judgement or land loops

    • @PlayingWithPowerMTG
      @PlayingWithPowerMTG  Год назад +1

      Avacyns judgment can be deflecting swatted.

    • @tobynburke4959
      @tobynburke4959 Год назад

      @@PlayingWithPowerMTG if you have 2 cards in hand you can deflecting swat it back, if you have 3 you also have tibalts trickery up. I understand the tech I just don't know how necessary it is.

  • @deant01
    @deant01 Год назад +2

    Sisay fan here

  • @eric.ingram
    @eric.ingram Год назад +1

    …John and I run the same commander, wincons, and sleeves… John, I would love to get a mirror match going against you some day.

  • @felixibeler2723
    @felixibeler2723 Год назад +2

    That's my girl🥹

  • @jellysandjamz250
    @jellysandjamz250 Год назад +4

    “Is this the KrustyKrab?”
    “No, this is madness”

  • @Buchaus
    @Buchaus Год назад +1

    I've never understood why people continually use the Alms of the Vein loop with Anje once they have the Worlgorger combo going, when they could just pump their infinite mana into Avacyn's Judgement, which is also in the deck. And if that gets countered, there's always the Alms loop. It just seems like it would be easier to explain to your opponents and has fewer points of interaction.

    • @switchback27
      @switchback27 Год назад +1

      If Deflecting Swat didn't exist, I think it might be the default option.

  • @ari_cool
    @ari_cool Год назад +1

    cool 300 reference

  • @tavinsfilmproduction9786
    @tavinsfilmproduction9786 Год назад

    Uhg I love watching selvala play! She is so freaking good.

  • @bensteinhauser784
    @bensteinhauser784 Год назад +1

    Great games! It's nice to see Anje even though she's fallen out of favor. Orchish Bowmasters may be final end for her.
    Also, Ryan's game 3 starting hand is incorrect. It shows a blood crypt in hand but blood crypt is fetched up lster in the game.
    Lastly, Lord Windgrace seemed pretty underpowered. Has it preformed in other games or is the deck just on the weaker side?

    • @connorl0204
      @connorl0204 Год назад

      Ive seen it in person as a strong deck. Won like 4/7 games that night, and was built as 3color gitrog basically.

  • @marianocastello4839
    @marianocastello4839 Год назад +1

    Anje ❤

  • @dimitriosdoulgeris4659
    @dimitriosdoulgeris4659 Год назад +1

    Madness at any cost.

  • @professionalaverageppsize
    @professionalaverageppsize Год назад +2

    Can someone please explain why you would play thrasios with bruce tarl?
    Like isnt thrasios with akiri better because you have a better beater?

  • @glenseaman5057
    @glenseaman5057 9 месяцев назад

    I’ve been looking for upgrades to Anje as a new player and this list is clearly super potent…. Put them I saw the prices for some of those cards….

  • @MatthewSerre
    @MatthewSerre Год назад +3

    Anje Brokenrath

  • @brianclevenger4255
    @brianclevenger4255 Год назад

    Love Anje. Worldgorger just sooo sketchy though...

  • @smack80
    @smack80 Год назад +3

    Orcish Bowmasters about to ruin Anje's whole career

  • @noidea5129
    @noidea5129 Год назад

    (6:00) Shouldn´t you cast Alms of the Vein for its madness cost, because it will stay in exile and kozilek doesn´t shuffle it back to the library.
    Nevermind you got infinite mana anyway.

    • @Dracomandriuthus
      @Dracomandriuthus Год назад

      If you don't cast a madness spell it goes to your GY

  • @Nateinthewild
    @Nateinthewild 8 месяцев назад

    Wait can someone help explain something to a noob? In game 3 when Worldgorger got destroyed, why did the second ability resolve before the first ability, resulting in all of Ryan's permanent's being destroyed? Why wouldn't the dragon entering the battlefield resolve, then it gets destroyed and leaves the battlefield (triggering second ability)? I guess I'm confused how he ended that turn with nothing on the table.

    • @KuroiRenge
      @KuroiRenge 6 месяцев назад

      Worldgorger left the battlefield before its enter the battlefield trigger resolved, so the leave the battlefield trigger resolves first. Everything gets returned to the table, then everything gets exiled because that's the order of Worldgorger's abilities leaving the stack.

    • @Nateinthewild
      @Nateinthewild 6 месяцев назад

      @@KuroiRenge I guess I'm just confused about why the abilities wouldn't resolve in order. It left the battlefield before the first trigger resolved, but why wouldn't the second trigger enter the "queue" behind the first trigger?

  • @theirishmanplays
    @theirishmanplays Год назад

    Living by the dragon and dying by the dragon is the only way I know how to live

  • @argonnas2
    @argonnas2 Год назад +2

    HA YOU THOUGHT ANJE WAS DONE? WE HAVEN'T EVEN SCRATCHED THE SURFACE OF HER POWER! MUWAHAHAHAHA!

  • @alexandermalarkey3773
    @alexandermalarkey3773 Год назад

    Why didn't Cruz tutor in response to the grafdiggers cage?

  • @jacobna2080
    @jacobna2080 Год назад

    So for the Anne footballs loop, why couldn’t you have used Anje to discard rootwalla and then drawing your deck that way?

  • @tonyvillalta4487
    @tonyvillalta4487 Год назад

    Hey guys, are the sleeves out of stock? I want to buy some but the page says “item not found”

  • @wilks2006
    @wilks2006 Год назад

    How can Ryan use Anje tap ability when it was cast on his turn? Doesn’t it still have summon sickness until,his next turn? Or is it because it was “at the end of johns turn”?, but should Anje still have summon sickness?

  • @morgoth2425
    @morgoth2425 Год назад

    @7:50 dockside should have only created 3 treasures

    • @semicolon_cancer1243
      @semicolon_cancer1243 Год назад

      Lion's Eye Diamond, Mox Diamond, Urza's saga (sneaky enchantment) and Jeweled Lotus equal 4 treasures.

    • @morgoth2425
      @morgoth2425 Год назад +1

      @@semicolon_cancer1243 i forgot dockside counts enchantments

  • @Munchie3777
    @Munchie3777 Год назад +2

    Anje!!!!! \(^o^)/

  • @DarkEinherjar
    @DarkEinherjar Год назад

    I felt John's pain when Ragavan exiled that land he needed to draw so much...

    • @SMXanathar
      @SMXanathar Год назад +1

      Another Colourless land wouldn't have gotten him to Windgrace anyways

    • @ecclesiaandune687
      @ecclesiaandune687 Год назад

      @@SMXanathar A tapped land too

  • @h3vonlyh3ll9
    @h3vonlyh3ll9 6 месяцев назад

    What if on cast of world gorger I cast teffaries

  • @amarauk9687
    @amarauk9687 Год назад +1

    Isn't it easier to simply cast avacyn's judgment to oneshot everyone instead of looping the whole deck, Gitrog-style?

    • @PlayingWithPowerMTG
      @PlayingWithPowerMTG  Год назад +3

      This approach gets around Deflecting Swat. You avacyn's Judgment for a million and someone can swat it to yourself. Also, if you have pain lands, like City of Brass, you cannot generate infinite mana. Cards like Alms of the Vein allow you to gain life to circumvent this issue.

    • @windy7820
      @windy7820 Год назад +1

      Yes, but doing spell loops is a lot safer in case of Swat/Misdirection

  • @TheSpiritombsableye
    @TheSpiritombsableye Год назад

    As there's a chance that Alms will be the last card in the deck every time, without a second discard outlet, that 1st game is illegal.

    • @TheSpiritombsableye
      @TheSpiritombsableye Год назад

      If I'm missing something, please let me know.

    • @christopherlapp4553
      @christopherlapp4553 Год назад

      Even if it is you could shuffle your deck back in and just not cast it that loop

    • @memnarchprogenitus9839
      @memnarchprogenitus9839 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@TheSpiritombsableye He can order his triggers. If he discard kozilec before alms He can put kozilecs shuffle Trigger first on the stack and anje untapp on top. Still in Response to schuffle Titan Tap anje and dig to Alms.

  • @h3vonlyh3ll9
    @h3vonlyh3ll9 6 месяцев назад

    Mono green playing a forest typical

  • @azura2552
    @azura2552 Год назад +1

    Zack getting rid of my boy Rocco ;/

  • @jeffe2267
    @jeffe2267 Год назад

    Do your games not have a lot of table talk, or do you just prefer to cut it all out? I would be interested to hear the players, since a big part of the game is table talk.

    • @PlayingWithPowerMTG
      @PlayingWithPowerMTG  Год назад +1

      We cut it and narrate it. There is plenty of table talk at every game.

    • @jeffe2267
      @jeffe2267 Год назад

      @@PlayingWithPowerMTG That makes sense! I just wish we got to hear more of it, but I also think the editing makes it very entertaining.

  • @ShatteredPieces26
    @ShatteredPieces26 Год назад

    Excuse me what....

  • @blaze556922
    @blaze556922 9 месяцев назад

    John uses the ugliest sleeves in existence just to mess with his opponents doesn't he? There is no other explanation lol

  • @BDbiogamer
    @BDbiogamer Год назад

    I’m glad the Anje fans got their fix, but honestly there are few decks I find more annoying to watch. Even if you’re in the pod with the Anje player, so much of the game is spent watching them rummage and either find what they need or flop. Not a fan, sorry

  • @windy7820
    @windy7820 Год назад

    LETS GOOOOOO BUTCH LESBIAN VAMPIRE CONTENT

  • @jmcomparan
    @jmcomparan Год назад +2

    That anje list is hella outdated, lots of questionable includes. Alms is ok for backup lines, but shuffle-Titians are a wasted slot. Not to mention worldgorger not being the best line period anymore

    • @PlayingWithPowerMTG
      @PlayingWithPowerMTG  Год назад +1

      Still pulled more than its weight tonight.

    • @jmcomparan
      @jmcomparan Год назад

      @@PlayingWithPowerMTG not denying that, but should definitely look into the broodlord lines with revolutionist, not to mention of kozalik was replaced with revolutionist (which has madness), you’d still be able to loop alms with him instead. I love seeing her regardless, but there are a lot of passionate anje players who have heavily optimized the deck over the years as we keep getting better cards

  • @alexandermalarkey3773
    @alexandermalarkey3773 Год назад

    This sisay deck man. The Planeswalker build is so much more efficient.

  • @blaze556922
    @blaze556922 9 месяцев назад

    I play high powered but a turn 2 win isn't even fun. Not interested in playing solitaire or watching someone else play it.

  • @BraxtonMeyer
    @BraxtonMeyer Год назад

    man Ryan really got lucky these games. Anje shouldn't be this consistent, mathematically speaking.

    • @windy7820
      @windy7820 Год назад +1

      When you get to 3 mana and then your deck is essentially 50 cards big, Anje is pretty damn consistent. Ryan did have some cracked draws but landing Anje fast enough gets you into a combo state very fast.

  • @bgeda
    @bgeda Год назад +2

    Absolutely amazing showing guys!

  • @Vagrantlol
    @Vagrantlol Год назад

    respect to whoever made it, but that has to be my least favorite version of Sisay. feel like you might as well just play Kenrith with that list.