Chevy SS with ARH Long Tube headers and X pipe
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Part 1: • 2014 Chevy SS Exhaust ...
I recently upgraded my Chevy SS from the OEM exhaust coupled with a aftermarket mufflers (actually Solo J pipes) to ARH 1-7/8" long headers with 3" X pipe. Since the headers were obnoxiously loud with the Solo J pipes and had multiple drone frequencies, I opted to use the OEM mufflers. The OEM mufflers are still extremely loud, but there is no drone. The sound levels also track the throttle opening very linear (meaning more throttle, more sound in a very predictable and reliable fashion), where as the Solo J pipes were NASCAR loud if you accelerated from 30mph to 31mph.
to be honest that thing should be spittin fire the way it sounds lol
Lol
Man the headers really make that thing sound pissed. Great video! I love the different sounds from different angles.
This was an excellent demo of the various combinations. As a former test analyst with an engineering firm, I realize just how much time and effort it takes to run comparison testing. To my old ears, the Solo system is by far, smoother and less raspy.
Daniel Ortego thank you for the kind words! Yes the Solo sounded better (but much quieter), but that is due the fact that in OEM form there are 4 catalytic converters, H pipe, and resonator all before the final mufflers. Without cats it's gonna be raspy. I've found the loudness and harshness of my setup makes other lazy drivers pay attention!
This comparison video has definitely sold me on headers. Great work! I too have a '14 with the Solo setup. I want the angry rasp at WOT and quiet-ish while cruising. It sounds like this would be the setup for me.
Glad you liked it! Good luck with your build. I am in the middle of an engine rebuild/cam swap. I've decided to go with ARH high flow cats and ARH mufflers to help tame the rasp! But I do plan another video with a 4 way comparison (cats/no cats and OEM/ARH muffs).
Well.....you just helped me make up my mind lol headers and OEM exhaust with no cats it is.
Sounds good. Me too. Only difference I'll keep the cats.
Sounds better than my friend's Stingray!
David Szakacs I'll take that compliment!
perfect comparison video. Thank you!
Thank you sir!
Wow, very informative video. Thank you for taking the time to do this, sounds bad ass. I want to check out an SS now.
How much power are you putting out through the rear wheels with the long tube setup?
Thanks! Rotofab CAI, ported throttle body, long tubes, and tune, I am putting down 425 rwhp. The extra HP after the long tubes created wheel hop, and I had to get BMR trailing arms. I ran 12.5@115 in the quarter in 1600+ DA. Enough to easily walk past a Mercedes CL55 AMG which is 493 HP at the crank! I love this car!
+SilverSurfer77 and that's on Street tires too!
I will probaly go with 2" to get as much flow as possible. And I grew up loving Lingenfelter so they are my choice. And I have watched some interviews and such mentioning that with these upgrades it's still an everyday car. You could drive down to California and back with no problems. And with a 3 year warranty I can't beat that.
Sheesh sounds good af
Sounds great man!!
Sounds great!
wow sounds just like the G8 GT
Great job, thank you very much.
Wooow dude! So cool!
It's sounds so good man. And I assume you got it with cats?
+Macy Sherman No cats!
Nice Comparison Video. I also have a black 2015 ss and I want to basically clone your mods.
Well they do all engine work and no exhaust. So I'm going with the ARH and the cats that come with them, so hopefully they will be more high flow I would assume. And yes I'm going to stick with the stock mufflers. When it comes down to it I can replace a cat, but I can't replace a $10,000 dollar fine for catless if I were to somehow get caught.
+Macy Sherman looks like the LPE 650 package is close to $14k!
www.lingenfelter.com/category/PI018.html
Nice to see they are using a Maggie blower. That is probably what I am going to go with then the time comes for boost. Are you going with 1-7/8" or 2" ARH headers?
10k fine for having no cat, what kind of bullshit is that
Pretty good transmission and gearing to be doing 100mph at 2,500 rpms
6L90E transmission with a 3.27:1 diff
+SilverSurfer77 *6L80E I mean
SilverSurfer77
GM put the big 80 in that, pretty cool. I was thinking the 60E, Im impressed they chose the 80E.
I already know the 6L80E is a monster, what manual is the other option
+Dell Jr the 15 and 16 model years offer the TR-6060 manual transmission, and since the ratios are vastly different, those cars get a 3.70:1 diff.
Don't know anything about the TR-6060. But I do remember when GM only used the 4L80E in the heavy-duty stuff. I was told it was a modified TH400. I think it's pretty cool they would use a big strong auto tranny in these SS cars.
All of those GM trans like the 60E, 80E, can be seriously modified too, although they are strong just stock.
That does seem loud outside of the car but it actually sounds more tame than just the Solo axlebacks. How is the noise level in the car for daily driving duties? I don't mind noise when at WOT but would prefer something more quiet when just moving along with traffic.
Ryan Lewis inside the car is "loud". Not "Loud" or even "LOUD". I don't think it's bad at all, there is always a good rumble, more so than with the Solo. No drone either. I also daily the car with a 45-50 minute highway commute one way.
SilverSurfer77 I guess that's what I'm looking for. I want something barely noticeable but at least you know it's there. I also have an hour commute each way plus two kids and a wife who won't want it too loud for normal driving. They won't care about WOT. As long as you can still have a conversation with people or using Bluetooth it's fine
Ryan Lewis well just keep in mind while the in cabin sound is OK, the exterior noise is not so great, which applies with windows down. I can't wait to get the ARH axleback to tame the raspy decibels. Hopefully it will be a lower muscle rumble.
I think I'm okay with that. I pretty much never have the windows down when anyone else is in the car, they all hate the wind. As long as it's quiet with the windows up that's what I'm looking for for now. If it becomes too much I can look at options.
Oh boy, cats out of the bag now. I replied from her account on accident.
Man I appreciate the vid and the detail you put into it. I have a 2015 SS and I am thinking about getting the ARH Full exhaust sytem but can't find any vids with someone running it. I see everyone is also going over to an X-pipe. Any particular reason why?
05on20s I'm saving up for the ARH axlebacks. The stock muffs are too high pitch raspy and loud. I like loud exhaust, but it doesn't sound good.
SilverSurfer77 ok cool. i am more then likely going to get the full kit and hope to get it installed in early spring. already have the livernois tune and the cars moves!
i forgot to ask. You have the headers with the high flow cats?
05on20s no cats
what wheels are you running? long tubes and x pipe sound amazing with the OEM Mufflers!!
anthonynanula thanks for your support! Half the vid was shot using the OEM 14/15 wheels and the other half is Forgestar F14s.
Wheel spin at 85 😳
Hold onto your beer mate! We're going for a ride!
I have the solo axle backs on the way and plan on getting catless headers and midpipe in the near future. Now I'm nervous with how loud it's gonna be with the solo hahah
Dude...that was the first configuration I had. It was absolutely insane! I ripped those off in a matter of minutes and sold the Solo's. They are pure noise and loudness and *sound like crap*. The whole car vibrates and drones at every RPM, and gets worse from there. Your neighbors, your entire town, and the cops will hate you. I can't imagine driving the car with headers, no cats, to Solo's without getting harassed by the cops in the reg.
@@SilverSurfer77 I'm trying to think of ways to keep the solos. I'm debating if I wanna go the NA route In which case I think I can get away with high flow cats. Or what if I just get a catted mid pipe? Idkkkkk lol
@@SilverSurfer77 it's my daily driver hahah
@@microdetailsllc magnaflow makes a mid muffler, it can tame it a little. I'd suggest high flow cats just for sound purposes.
Praise God
uber sucks lol
Sounds awesome. Are the headers ceramic coated? If not, how are they holding up?
Not coated. Holding up great. Car has 93k miles now. It's my daily and it sees all midwest weather. Best reason to coat would be to keep under hood heat soak issues under control... which is an issue with the SS.
SilverSurfer77 cool, good to hear! Thanks for the insight. I received my ARH, hope to get them installed within the next couple of weeks.
Did you ever get the ARH mufflers? I have the ARH long system no cats as well and I'm looking for axle back options? Wanted to hear your thoughts on the mufflers.
Don Shields I did not. I found another guy with the same setup and he said the ARH was louder than stock and even had a slight drone to them. I can handle a little drone, but not extra volume. I'm going to add a Magnaflow mid muffler/resonator soon. Obviously I'm not in a big rush. However, I'd love to hear whatever solutions you try, good or bad.
Cats or catless?
What year?? I know 2014 & 2015 didn't have the nice bimodal mufflers.
'14 oem muffs, no cats.
are the OEM mufflers the stock mufflers or are they diffrent?
OEM means the same as stock
Original Equipment Manufacturer aka stock
ummmmm dyno results?
Well the final tuning session was on a Land and Sea dyno, which uses an eddy current transducer. This means it reads about 17-20% lower than an inertia based dyno, such as a Dynojet.
Ok now that is out of the way, the Land and Sea dyno said 375rwhp. So if you figure conservatively, 375 plus 17%, that comes out to 438rwhp!
However, at the 1/4 drag strip, my best pass was 12.4 @ 117 and that was in 1,100DA! So if you do the HP calculations, that comes out to about 434rwhp. The calculations for 0 DA comes up with a 12.2 @118 pass producing 449rwhp. But it gets better...I was on street tires! If I had drag radials and shaved another .2 or better off, what would happen!?
Not bad for a 4,200 lbs car and driver!
Oem with axelbacks sounds much better.
LOL well I didn't go long tube headers for sound! I got them for horsepower.
Does the x pipe increase sound?
The X pipe changes the tone, but does not necessarily makes it louder. The OEM setup uses an H pipe. An H pipe balances the pressure differential on both sides of the catback, but it does NOT split or share the exhaust gasses between the pipes which gives it a lower rumble sound. An X pipe balances the pressure AND it splits the gas flow between the pipes. So the X pipe has more of a screaming sound and it is also capable of producing a little more horsepower over an H system.
What was your dyno number with the ARHs and stock mufflers with a tune?
Well the final tuning session was on a Land and Sea dyno, which uses an eddy current transducer. This means it reads about 17-20% lower than an inertia based dyno, such as a Dynojet.
Ok now that is out of the way, the Land and Sea dyno said 375rwhp. So if you figure conservatively, 375 plus 17%, that comes out to 438rwhp!
However, at the 1/4 drag strip, my best pass was 12.4 @ 117 and that was in 1,100DA! So if you do the HP calculations, that comes out to about 434rwhp. The calculations for 0 DA comes up with a 12.2 @118 pass producing 449rwhp. But it gets better...I was on street tires! If I had drag radials and shaved another .2 or better off, what would happen!?
Not bad for a 4,200 lbs car and driver!
That is frickin awesome!. I'm going to be near Chicago in July so I'm going to pull the trigger and have STG Motorsport install them along with an OTR intake.
I take it Shane Hinds will do the tuning? I hear nothing but good things about his work! Of course I hear good things about Greg's work at STG as well.
@@SilverSurfer77 for future reference, consider the 375 as 17% reduced so you divide the 375 by 5 then multiply by 6 and that's your estimated amount, which is 450.
@@Slipknotdraken I can appreciate the more accurate math, but in practice it is just dyno hp * 1.17. This is from the tuner that has seen multiple cars, and in testing my car on the track it all agrees. Also from looking at other peoples' SS dyno results, 450rwhp from a few bolt-ons is excessively high.
does it require a retune with headers?
The OEM tune runs really fat, so you could probably get away without a retune, but you really should get a retune. It doesn't make sense to skimp here. Embrace killing your power train warranty.
SilverSurfer77 amen
Does cats vs no cats make a noticeable diffrence with sound?
+Macy Sherman I have not heard two cars side by side to do a definite comparison, but from what everyone says, OEM (high restriction) cats do hush the sound quite a bit.
Once SS owner was not running cats with his long tubes and it was too loud, so he added aftermarket high flow/race cats and they didn't do much to quiet the sound.
Alright because were I live I need cats or I would get a emission ticket. I'm going with the Lingenfelter 650 package in about a year so with the headers and a cam it will sound great. I'll be sure to tag you on the video if I put one up.
+Macy Sherman Wow that's going to be a lot of money. There are cheaper options than Lingerfelter. I assume the way to get to 650 is with a supercharger. S/C's are hard on cats (meaning they are destroyed and the screens damaged and block exhaust). I would be sure to ask them what cats they are going to use and how long to expect them to last. I would imagine they would just re-use the OEM ones.
do you still have this same setup or did you get different mufflers?
This is what I am still running. I plan on getting the ARH axlebacks next, but that is going to be a while.
SilverSurfer77 nice. I love the way the oem mufflers sound. I'm about to throw some kooks headers on mine with no cats and an x pipe. can't wait
Do you have a '16 (with the bimodal exhaust)? Either way, I'd like to know your thoughts on the way it sounds. IMHO the OEM mufflers are not good in this setup which is why I am going to get the ARH muffflers.
SilverSurfer77
I love the way they sound at wot. My only dislike is the little popping you get on deceleration. I'll keep em for a while but may end up going to different mufflers.
Silver, I just picked up a 2016 SS and want to start with upgrades right away. I see that you tried OEM mufflers for a while and are now going with ARH Thunders. I'm planning on installing the ARH full 2" system to include Thunder mufflers. What do you think??
Is this the long system or the full system?
This is the long system. The full system comes with ARH mufflers.
Any check engine lights with the no cats?
No because I had a tune put in that ignored the secondary cat issue altogether.
SilverSurfer77 nice! What tune was that or was it a custom tune?
@@treyz1604 local custom tune
SilverSurfer77 thanks for the reply 🤙🏼
Is this a 2014 model
Yes!
@@SilverSurfer77 did you tune after this install?
@@iseemopar yes
@@SilverSurfer77 what was the HP gain
@@iseemopar about 40rwhp iirc
Oem/axleback sounds way better. The other set up sounds like a damn tractor lmao
In some ways you are right, however, at the end of the day, I will take the 40hp over a nice quiet sound that makes grandmas happy.