ok now real comment: Glad to see you doing well, always appreciated you were one of the rare voices that supports DoA and glad to see your channel doing well supporting VF. Keep at it bro
The problem isn’t even that TMM doesn’t like the game, the problem is the guy knows nothing about the game and was just mashing buttons then complaining why it felt weird. Like damn bro it’s almost like if you open a chess board and only know how to play checkers it’s not gonna seem right the way the rook can rock your shit lmao
Heard Mike Hollow mention you as someone who is an authority on the series, what TMM said was childish and made him look like a fool who has never played a fighting game, Im glad someone who really knows the game is speaking up!
I've followed the Tekken scene since Tekken 6 and back then you can go back and find even the more rowdy guys like Aris being respectful towards VF as Tekken and Soul Calibur were massively influenced by the series. But it seems like in this new esports era of Tekken a lot of the content creators have lost touch with the roots of the series and just equate good game design to marketability and mass appeal. Honestly, I really don't get it but it reminds me of highschool lol. Poor VF is getting a swirly for no reason.
Aris actually used to hate on VF due to the way it looked back when he did his Avoiding the Puddle podcast. I argued with him a bit on this in the commnets and Ryan Hart when he was a guest got a bit annoyed with him.
Honestly, thank you for standing up for Virtua Fighter and the underrepresented in the FGC! I respect this video more than you know, Emery! Much appreciation as usual, homie 🙏🏾
I gave TMM mods for a vid on his channel and he then refused to credit me in it, he's just that kind of guy it seems, real shame. Not surprised he has such a narrow scope of fighting games too.
He doesn't credit the guy who made his intro theme either! I had to find out from the creator in the comments to one of TMM's videos where the guy who created it replied to me! Guy needs an attitude adjustment.
@@EmeryReigns I don't have much good to say about him let's just say that much. His time keeping is also horrible, kept me waiting months to sort out that mod for him, too. Absolute joke.
This is the main issue I have with TMM. He had high praises for VF4EVO years ago, did a FULL breakdown of the game features and why it deserved to be praised by the FGC, only for him to unlist the video and now crap all over VF entering relevance again. He's being disingenuous. I'm convinced he's trying to keep up an image of VF haters who only love Tekken, "The Real Man's 3D Fighter". It's stupid af. He could do a whole lot of good for VF and the scene if he'd be less of a grifter (and I HATE using that word, but he fits the description by the strictest definition).
If you watched his 4 year old vid on VF you would know he is critiquing the series and all his points are spot on. The game has aged horribly and the characters look busted. Idk why VF fans are in denial over this.
@@KevinLawson The game is woeful always has been been hence why nobody cares about it. This guy is crying about an opinion because he knows it's that unpopular he needs fake glowing reviews to get any crumbs of success
@@KevinLawson The game is woeful always has been been hence why nobody cares about it. This guy is crying about an opinion because he knows it's that unpopular he needs fake glowing reviews to get any crumbs of success
@@BanditTools I understand where you're coming from, I also watched that video and remember when 3 years ago VF fans hated all over TMM over his critique. I was like, well, they're in the wrong here I guess, based TMM. Now VF5 gets rereleased once more and I tune in to watch TMM. He legit has nothing positive to say about the game and shits on it constantly to the point it's no longer critique anymore. I mean, he bashed the intro for looking dated. The goddamn intro! Imagine being a VF fan for years, your game being niche all this time and now it gets more attention than in the past 20 years. Then one of the biggest Tekken streamers does a livestream making fun of the game. Look at the comments under his video, legit like half say the game looks bad and is garbage. I guarantee non of them tried it. 3D fighters are already niche, Tekken monopolized the genre. It needs some competition and VF needs new players. Now you have a dude who has no interest in playing the game making it look bad to masses, that could've given it a shot had they not seen that video. He's doing a disservice to the fgc and himself really, I hope he doesn't cry later when T8 will go down in flames after yet another wave of baffling decisions by Namco. I say all of this as a longtime Tekken player who has just began playing VF, the game is awesome.
3:47 This part. I don't mind MainMan disliking Virtua Fighter. The problem is MainMan never gives Virtua Fighter a proper chance. He refuses to learn mechanics or experiment with other characters then plays Jeffry and complains about the game being slow. As you said, it's a missed opportunity for brand new players to get into the series and at least for MainMan, diversify his channel with a new game.
This is probably speculation, but I think he's butthurt that other 3d fighting games are getting attention. He's also known to be very salty when placed in frequent knowledge checks that he has no idea about(even though fighting games are his literal job, he should love to study fighting game knowledge but instead spends all day complaining about it) I dropped T8 just before the release of Heihachi, and picked up DOA5LR for the first time in my life, and I'm loving it. Just bought VF too can't wait to try it, and Im saying this as a fan of Tekken since T3. Your DOA and VF videos definitely sold me on it ❤
Tmm literally internally crying because all him always wanted (muscular females, realistic models and real martial arts with no bullshit ) is not in Tekken, it's on VF Lol Glad to see you here too Roofle ❤
He has to realize that he is actually promoting Virtua Fighter cause he is bringing attention to Virtua Fighter. I met quite a bit of Tekken players that got sick of Tekken or wanted to try something new and played Virtua Fighter. He is indirectly bringing people in. Bad attention is better than no attention.
TMM is afraid VF will take over , and he doesn't want that because recently he's being sponsored by namco to promote tekken content and it's in his interest that tekken remains popular, so he's trying to make VF look bad hoping people won't touch the game.... this guy is a whole scumbag
I unsubscribe from the TMM a long time ago and I have not looked back. The worst thing about him is his fan base who regurgitates everything he says and nobody can debate or challenge him when he says something stupid. He has a known history for saying a lot of dumb things.
TMM is a complete shill, and a very arrogant at that. He has no monetizable skills other than playing Tekken, so he will promote Tekken as much as oossible, because if it dies out - he will have to apply for McDonalds vacancies
I left a comment of his channel saying, play as a character that suited his speed and play style. Someone like Jean Kujo and not Jeffery, but no he purposely chooses the second slowest fighter and spams crouching jabs, overhead attacks only to follow up into body presses and say, this game is so slow.
Bruh it annoys the hell out of me when people say Tekken is “faster” lol. I’m like “do this simple test. Pick Steve and tap LK > RK to “bob and weave”, then use Brad Burns and do the bob and weave. Then come back and tell me how “fast” Steve is next to Brad.” Lol
@@svenmanning no I start with who I like the most in character design such as Rock and Lizardman, King, Noob Saibot, Hayate and Nyotengu, Sabretooth, Spiral and Venom, list goes on. My point is, play who you think looks cool, then adjust to how the game works WITH those characters that you chose
Notice that since the VF6 announcement, suddenly MMS is playing VF5, a 15yr old game by the way, only to shit on it. Like dude, we get it, you love Tekken. I love Tekken! But Tekken didn't invent 3D-Fighting, VF did. They belong in it more than anything. And I hate to break it to you, Tekken having some competition is a good thing. It'll get more eyes on the FGC, no matter what game it is. And childish is an understatement. I watched the stream of him playing VF5. He'd come up against a player that actually knows what they're doing, and then shit on them for being at the game when he loses! Like, 'what kind of loser takes the time to learn VF? Hahaha!' He really lost some respect from me with that crap. We get it now, you're a Tekken fanboy because you're threated by fighting game that's not even out yet.
Who said Tekken invented 3D Fighters? Just making stuff up now. And VF doing that doesn't automatically mean people have to like it. Personally I play both but stop expecting people to hit their knees and worship VF for pioneering 3D fighters
@@jirenthegray5776 nobody is expecting anyone to worship it , it’s about people with bigger platforms talking crap on the game before newcomers even try it , i’m not good at VF at all because i never played it growing up but it doesn’t mean i’m gonna talk down on the game just because i’m getting worked by people who know how to play the game
@@BanditTools I half agree , there’s some games i I’ve kinda avoided cuz of what people say but playing it myself and forming my own opinions I ended up liking them
@@jolynecujohstanImagine letting someone’s words stop you from trying a video game. This is one of my peeves with the FGC. I saw the MMS video and still tried VF and had a decent time with it. Just because ONE person isn’t singing its praises doesn’t mean it’s going to stop people from trying the game lol.
TMM doesn't respect his elders. VF literally was the blueprint for Tekken. No VF, No Tekken. it's that simple. TMM is not in it for the love of Tekken just like new rap artists aren't in it for the love of music. They both just want to make some money.
@@leebyakkoprizziano I don't know what this is supposed to mean. Hasn t diablo 4 been trashed since release and been compared to path of exile ? Did anyone pull the "respect your elders" for that one ? How about overwatch 2 getting trashed when compared to marvel rivals ?
Diablo 4 gets trashed constantly and compared to path of exile . I have never heard anyone pull the " respect your elders" card . Same for overwatch 2 who s getting trashed daily when compared to marvel rivals .
@@Butter-keks85 I don't like the "respect your elders" argument either, but in the case of OW2 and D4, those games did a lot of things terribly and pissed off their playerbase. TMM is an outsider coming in to the VF community, taking a dump on a game they like and leaving without cleaning up the stink he left.
TMM is literally a Tekken Elitist. I whole heartily agree with you 100 percent. Players that say "x" fighter is bad becuase "y" fighter is better just blows my mind. I'm a FG guy who has been playing FGs for over 30 years and I try ones that really interest me. If they don't fit for me I usually say to people "yeah I liked it, but I just wasn't feeling it, not my kind of fighter". Tekken is one of my favorite FG series (Tekken 8 is changing that big time not in a good way lol). However I'm not a person to trash others favorite fighters. DOA and VF personally to me are legit 3D fighting games that deserve waaaaay more love. Tekken is currently losing its identity of what made Tekken "Tekken". I completely get your frustration. Especially when main Content creators say other series are "bad". This is partly why TMM gets a lot of heat from the community. Personally FGC is a family and no matter what fighter a person likes, it's special to them. People just need to grow up. Ironically TMM is pushing 40ish and still acts incredibly immature.
I don't think Tekken really ever had an "identity" to be honest, it was always some experimental illegitimate child of VF. Alot is being made about this most recent entry, but to me, not much has fundamentally changed about Tekken, despite all the crying. It's still very much 'first person to make a mistake in neutral gets launched and loses the round'. The only difference now, is that the heat system cuts down the amount of time spent (or wasted) turtling and jockeying for that first hit, which used to take up 45-60 seconds of an 80 second round. Who wants to watch that crap as a spectator? If anything, Tekken 8 has eliminated the horrible turtling and time wasting, which makes it the most direct and to the point Tekken done so far, I like this one to be honest. VF is still and always will be the father and king of 3D fighters though.
@@LonglostpussNah, it definitely had its own identity. A 3d fighter that was inspired by "anime if it had realistic fighting" with a juggle mechanic at an EDM party. It definitely started to lose part of that a while back.
@@BeretBay Not really, go back to the original Tekken and tell me what anime was in there, it was literally developed by the original Virtua Fighter team who'd left SEGA and even used its engine! Tekken 4 copied Virtua Fighter 3 with the uneven terrained stages. Tekken was essentially a nomadic fighter all the way up to Tag Tournament 2. It turned into a certified anime fighter when Tekken 7 got dropped because it became too obvious by then when all the incremental changes started to add up and then they said "Ah f**k it" and introduced the rage art which just confirmed what everyone was already thinking about its direction. Many say Tekken 6 was a actually the turning point of the series. Only since the last 3 were people calling it an anime fighter, Tekken had no identity other than being the child of VF who tried to do something different.
@@LonglostpussThe turtling was Tekken s identity. what also changes is inflation of plus frames. Your goal is to make your opponent block an attack to get plus frames. Just press R1, No Matter if they block or not or sidestep, everything is good for you . It's very different from 7 and before. It's now about who attacks first basically.
@@Longlostpuss tekken had. an identity, wtf are you talking about? tekken has always been the absurdity of VFs grounded game.... tekken was the perfect balance of a grounded 3d fighting game mixed with absurdity.... it didnt take itself too seriously and it was fun.... but ever since tekken 7, the game has been losing what made it tekken and T8 made it worse. .. now, its just fighting game hacky sack and the game is just too absurd.... even the story is now shitty, back then, tekken was the only fighting game where the protagonist is not a good guy, now the game is so anime
TMM hating on Virtua Fighter again ? Well he is a Tekken fanboy , I can't take it seriously, VF is one of the greatest , the father of 3D fighting games and a very technical and deep game. I'm glad Virtua Fighter is back.
Exactly I don't play those games but I love people enjoy it then being someone ears saying it sucks same thing happened to last of us 2 people hated so badly it was not bad game combat and weapons has been approved and dodging is very affected. No return mode was good. Only downside was Joel dying early got people going
I stopped supporting him a while ago. I lost all respect due to his attitude and lack of accountability. Anything he gets called out for is met with the same response: "It's just a joke," "Have you never heard of a joke?" Extremely spineless and no integrity. Like every shill.
It had to be said, so I'm glad you said it. I'm happy you actually got around to making this video. I was watching that stream when TMM started bashing VF again... was so frustrating, I actually had to stop watching. A beloved game like VF with 20 players is making a totally unexpected comeback and he uses its momentum to brigade the game and put a damper on its buzz with his uninformed critiques. He literally never tried to understand VF. When Ultimate Showdown came out, he just got on and started laughing at the sound effects and kept spamming dick jabs. People could easily find a bunch of lame shit about Tekken and hyperfocus on that too. All my friends who play fighting games NEVER played DOA once and refuse to try it even though it's my favorite.. and it's all because of guys like TMM or Aris. They really don't grasp the extent of their influence.
@@BanditTools I'll live... but I feel your statement falls apart on its face. We all allow people we trust to curate our interests to a degree. If you're already uninterested in something, or even neutral about it and someone you respect or trust and agree with about tons of other topics tells you it's bad/not worth your time, it'll probably influence your decision to experience it. "Maybe I should try their buffalo wings", "Nah, bro.. I had them last week and they were horrible" = now you never buy wings from that place because your boy told you they sucked. And we've all had experiences where we tried something we had prejudice against and loved it.. The friends I mentioned already have some reservations about DOA because they're uncomfortable with its reputation as a fanservice-fighter (although they're not particularly uncomfortable with the fanservice itself). So they're already bias against DOA and it only takes the opinion of someone they admire or respect to further sway them. Doesn't take much when you're already on the fence.
100% facts bro, thanks for making this video. You don't have to snuff out someone else's candle to make yours burn brighter. Fighting games are a niche genre of video games. 3D fighting games are an even more niche sub-genre within the fighting game genre - why trash talk one of the franchises in the genre that has been pioneering in fighting games, and gaming in general? What does belittling VF do for you? Everyone in the FGC should be happy that VF is returning, that another franchise is coming back as that means more variety for us to play. If TMM doesn't like Virtua Fighter, fine, no one forcing you to play it. But trashing VF just because you don't like it and putting the game down shows no respect for the genre. THERE WOULD BE NO TEKKEN IF IT WEREN'T FOR VIRTUA FIGHTER - PERIOD END OF STORY!
If you weren't there, you could only imagine how TMM was when he reacted to Kazuya in Smash, a game that the FGC tends to view as childish and easy already. Bro underestimated how many of his viewers actually played Smash because he was being so toxic that his video got disliked bombed to the point of him forever taking down the video.
Ah, a fellow Bloody Roar aficionado. I too share the same sentiment, but it's downright infuriating to see the franchise forever locked away in Konami's vault.
@@budgiecat9039 Sadly no. I've known some good fighting games and other action games that aren't that popular back then but they're mostly anime tie-ins (Kamen Rider, Ultraman) mecha ones or some obscure Japanese-only games (like Sengoku Basara series) that we still don't understand to this day.
It’s like he doesn’t want to accept he isn’t good at VF, so instead of tryna put the time in and improve he blames the game and trashes it. When he could easily just say yk what this game isn’t for me
he barely even knows how to use the practice mode in tekken because he doesn't lab anything then cries and talks shit when he's getting knowledge checked, the guy is a lazy brain idiot
TMM summed up real quick. If he sucks at the game, the game sucks. If he is good at the game, it is amazing. Funny thing is he only plays Tekken so Tekken is the only amazing game to him lmao
THANK YOU! for standing fact on why Tekken wouldn't exist if this wasn't for VF. TMM and his die-hard fanboys don't give VF credits it deserve. I love both VF and Tekken equally, but I hate when one fandom is hating on other game in most childish way possible.
I played tekken for 30 years I didn't really start VF until 4 but I is where I said let me learn this game..I played 7 days a week started from scratch..I got really good train with tricky,denkai, played a set with chief flash..Became a great Eileen it's a great game if you put the time into really learning the game same as Tekken..I like both
@@tryingtochangemyways5074 That's all this community want from Main man really.Respect this game.Get good! Don't just mash buttons and complain afterwards like a toddler lmao 🤣
it is what it is man. There is a difference between a "x player" and a FIGHTING GAME player. Real ones can tell the difference. Try to focus on the folks that are about the latter and leave the hoes alone. You love DOA so you know how it goes down. Ive experienced this a few times with modern releases of some games. Just remember who the real ones are
I just remember him spamming 2P like it was the funniest shit he had ever seen acting like Tekken 7 didn’t have some of the most disgusting one-button strings to ever exist
I think TMMS is threatened that if VF ever rose back to fame and potentially steal tekkens spot light, it would possibly jeopardize his viewers and popularity as a tekken content creator and has some ties with bandai Namco it might hurt him, if he is making money off of that
VF6 isn’t going to effect the views or popularity of Tekken frfr cause we as people stick to what we play look at SonicFox he plays almost everything but he always goes back to MK cause he’s a MK player that’s how majority of gamers are
Idk, I think he just has a weird hatred towards other 3d fighters. He crapped on VF, and iirc, he did the same to SC6. Watching him bash both of them despite not having a single clue what to do was painful.
Yeah, one thing I really hates, is peoples who can't form an opinion of their own and will parrot whatever their favorite content creators says. It's really grating. That 2021 clip is so damn real.
TMM's issue is his inability to learn or take on another fighting games under their own rules. He's constantly comparing all fighting games he plays to Tekken rather than accept those fighting games for what they are, and he does get salty when his Tekken knowledge of fundamentals are not a 1 to 1 translation to other fighters (specifically other 3d fighters). His disgruntled attitude towards VF is not unique to only that game, he did this to Soul Calibur 6 as well (which is another Namco fighting game, so his bias is not because of his loyalty to Namco, its his loyalty to Tekken and Tekken alone because he had no problem dunking on Soul Calibur when it didn't play like Tekken). TMM is not a bad person, his contribution to the Tekken community is a net positive as a whole. But it does makes his opinions on other fighting games disingenuous and very bias when he puts in little to no effort in understanding those fighting games IE: getting killed repeatedly in soul calibur 6 by strings he can guard impact in the middle of or not stepping very obvious steppable vertical attacks then complaining about broken attacks when he should be utilizing the 8 way run system that's unique to Soul Calibur etc.
Its clear that he is a Tekken shill which is fine, but he is hardly objective in critiquing other 3d fighters. We should want more competition in the 3d fighting game space. It could be said that due to the lack of it that is why T8 is in the state it is in.
even though i suck at it...i still love the fuck out of this game : the look, the soundtrack, the fun classic sega vibes this game radiates. But like you said if i'm not havin fun with a specific game in the first place i'm simply not gonna waste my time or energy on it. What it simply is, is just trolling for views in my opinion. Aside from that i agree with everything you mentioned.
As a 3D player who started with Tekken and branched out to the others, I hate the Tekken Elitists. They're insufferable. Just because you can't play other 3Ds doesn't make them bad. Just means you're bad. TMM is proof of that mentality. And I hate how common it is. Not saying I want T8 to fail, but I hope VF, SC, and DOA pop enough for Tekken Elitists to understand.
@@13Kr4zYAzN13 All elitists are insufferable, but all things have them. There've been Tekken, DoA, Virtua Fighter elitists trying to suck all the joy out of "rival" titles. Like the amount of times I've heard "Tekken's got it wrong" when it is its own game. No one should be competing on what's the better plastic disc instead of just enjoying the experience itself.
Virtua Fighter is the father of all 3D fighting games. If it wasn't for VF, there would be no Tekken, as well as no Dead or Alive and no SoulCalibur. TheMainManSWE, aka TMM, is too much of an arrogant dumbass to even understand that. He lets pride, ego and arrogance cloud his common sense. He dedicates his whole life to playing Tekken, he probably doesn't even get out into the real world that much and try new things. The FGC owes it to Virtua Fighter, as well as Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat since all 3 are the pioneers of modern fighting games.
mortal kombat? lmao, it was just a whack a$$ street fighter 2 wannabe, their games have always been the lowest level of the industry, even now their games are still trash competitively, vf and sf those are the only pioneers
@tiger-rgn I would throw Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting in there as pioneers actually because they introduced things such as meter, desperation attacks and supers. As much as I never really cared for MK, it does need to be acknowledged for introducing finishers though most fighting games outside of MK Clones don't use them. But it also modernized face capture through digitized picture sprites as well as transformations
Tekken 8 is losing hard it's own player base so they are afraid as fuck. Also just yesterday there was an other Tekken Community Scandal with BigNose calling KingJae with N word and physically threatened to assault him. Or at least it was one of he's ''discord fans.''
Well delivered. You even kept it more respectful than you had to. Like I said before, people do strange things when trying to maintain their voice in a community.
Funny thing is, he's complaining MOSTLY about the visuals and sound, at one point he was saying that Tekken 7 has better animations and sound effects, which is hilarious, I like Tekken better (very slightly) but even I recognize that VF5 is significantly better when it comes to visuals and sound than Tekken 7 was, then again, I believe VF only got better with every installment while Tekken remained stagnant ever since Tekken 6 and in fact got a little worse actually, so I might be a bit biased, but when the Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang says he's impressed by the game, who is TMM to argue, eh?
Totally agree! VF is second only to Street Fighter in terms of importance to the genre. And for 3D fighters it’s literally THE #1 most important. If you’re a part of the fgc and you can’t respect that, it shows ignorance.
I mean, you can respect the first VF, but the last one is kind of meh and not important to fighting games industry, there's a reason this thing and other "OGs" like KoF are barely surviving the competition and I don't think it's only because of content creators' yapping
@@DennisMaltzevthey cant survive in a era where gambling and casual non-arcade game thrive You got people spending thousand s for pixel on micro transaction now the market has changed with the massive wave of casual
TMM sadly was the biggest Tekken content creator since 7 came out there was Kingjae but he was mad small back in 7 when he made guides he loves Fatal Fury and King of Fighters and those are niche games as well.
tmm also pretends to like t8, almost every content creator or pro does that... sadly... framewhisperer is one of the very few that actually says how things are..
Hey man, hope you've been well. Haven't watched the video yet but I just wanted to say a few things. A giant streamer saying something sucks will put thousands of people off of something, essentially dooming whatever that may be. Virtua Fighter cannot succeed with bad word of mouth from people when it already has a much, much smaller fan base than Tekken and Street Fighter (which I've never understood as VF has always been in my top three personally). I try to be positive on here all the time, but I've never really liked this dude as he seems to be the exact opposite of someone like Lil Majin who I also mod for just because of his wholesomeness and overall great attitude. TMM doesn't have to like the game but the least he can do is not talk badly about it so everyone that does can enjoy it. The game has to be around for that of course, and it's a miracle we're finally getting one despite people like him constantly talking bad about it. I will be buying this day one and I hope the true fans do too. Happy Holidays everyone. Even TMM lol. Edit: You addressed my points. Right on.
Though, Emery, with the Yakuza-series as its backup, VF can also gain a whole lot of newcomers who love mashing as Kiryu, Majima or Saejima. Maybe VF will bring the whole Yakuza lineup with it. Which would be very very sick. :D
Also maybe Lan Di from Shenmue since he also uses Tiger Swallow Fist (Huyan Quan/Koen Ken) as Lau does My head canon always felt Yakuza is canonically linked to Shenmue anyway because if you play Shenmue 1 and go into town and walk up to the second floor ilegal mob run casino, the door man looks just like Akira Nishikiyama, and the second in charge guy inside looks just like Daisuke Kuze, also from Yakuza Zero, complete with the same hair cut, sunglasses and purple leather suit. And keep in mind Shenmue 1 took place in 1986/1987, while Yakuza Zero took place 1988 👀
3:54 I honestly feel like this is where a lot of people's gripes with T8 come from. And I'd honestly extend that to include that not liking certain mechanics doesn't mean they're inherently bad.
I haven’t really engaged with VF in a long time. Literally since VF2 Sega Saturn, because the single player has always been so lackluster. But the VF5 Revo beta was a ton of fun.
Yo emery. I’ll be honest I do watch tmm, but I think this video of you pointing out tmm being overly critical (and tbh fairly childish) is true and pinpoints a lot of problems I have with him. Sure, I watch him because it’s Tekken content and it can be fun, but he’s quite critical to every game that isn’t Tekken, even non fighting games. In fact, this situation kinda reminds me of when he criticized Kazuya being in smash. Rather than being hyped he actively shat on the game until the smash community dog piled him and made him change his mind. This was a fair and excellent video, and it felt like actual constructive criticism where you got some great points across rather than a rant. I look forward to the return of VF and I’m excited to give REVO a shot when it drops!
Actually Emery, a neat video idea would be a video about "What VF character fits you based on your playstyle/main in Tekken!" would be great. I remember trying to get into VF and my character I tried first was Akira. There was a move he did that felt like I had to do a frame perfect input! So who else would you recommend for someone who plays mostly Lars? I also like to dabble into Steve because boxing is just a passion of mine.
I just saw this and I'ma say this don't listen to TMM I've been in TEKKEN's community long enough to tell you he is biased to all HELL and back he is basically LTG at this point and much worse he is an EXTREME shill for TEKKEN and most of his content comes down to baby raging over anything that isn't a Mishima. Cause of that I feel it is our duty to insure VF succeeds over TEKKEN.
I think its very important that every creative/influencer has to know the power of there words. I love people who go against what I say to an extent because it shows me people still think for themselves; My opinion never means the definitive opinion. If I don't like a game much, I just slowly phase out talking about it & do something else, I know that's a hard concept for many to do nowadays.
Honestly I see it as being threatened by the potential of VF6. Regardless of if he admits it or not. Me personally I love BOTH. However I have issues with both sides. I grew up playing VF and I love VF and I'm super happy it's coming back. I think it says a lot about a game that it is so well made that the community remains even after this much time off. However there are some very snooty superior anti-Tekken minds in VF. I think it breeds that kind of reaction. However what you said is completely true Emery, there is no point to intentionally speak evil and sabotage a game. Especially the game that we're trying to restore back to what it was. I don't like the idea of playing the game just to sh!t on the game. That's just wrong.
Every Tk fan like TMM who's hating on VF5Revo and VF6 should WANT VF to do well, even if they won't play it. Because then that would force Harada to actually bring his A game and make Tekken 8 even better. Or he'll lose more players to VF. If VF is bad, then Harada's free to put out whatever slop he wants in Tekken 8. Which he kinda is at the moment.
Dude, HARADA wants it to do well especially since there's only been Tekken for far too long since all other types of 3d fighters died out or didn't succeed like DoA6 which some devs joined the Tekken team, or Soul Calibur that was ruined a couple times, Bloody Roar that's buried in the Konami graveyard and VF that hasn't seen a new original instalment since I've been an adult. Why can 2d have 5+ concepts but 3d can't have even 2 exist at anyone time, and when it does happen whys it Soul Calibur that can't survive, why can't Sega do something outside of Sonic or Persona on a regular. It's about time VF finally get a new instalment and finally move away from VF5 after 5 different versions within around 19 years. I'm objectively tired of 2d everywhere and not even 1 3d barely off of life support when ttt2 was around
Let them hate on VF and doa both are great series they upset thinking VF gonna take Tekken 8 player's it's not for them it's for the fans past 30 year's. Of course hater's are coming from Tekken player's. Why they can just leave VF fans alone and doa stay playing Tekken
"Turn the game off then." If it was only that easy. Unfortunately for these type of people, they continue with something unenjoyable, because of spite or clout.
I started to dislike tmm when him started to be toxic against other Fgs. Specially against VF VF it's the first 3D fg , him should be grateful VF exist because thanks to VF is why exist Tekken, even Harada know that. But I feel tmm it's scared that VF finally kill Tekken specially after so bad moment tk8 is having with so much modernization, (I always liked Tekken but since this I dropped it) because it's too dumb. About tmm I sincerely despite him because it's the example of what Tekken is today (and thanks to him) Toxic, egocentric, and that fake statement about Tekken being the most hard Fg (when is not) It's thanks to him and his toxic bullshit also why I started to hate more TK community and the last game. And him wanted (real look female chars, serious martial arts) all that have it VF , and I think him just envy like crazy VF, him can't have it on Tekken where all is more anime and casual. Great video bro. ❤ This type of videos are necessary, specially when tmm or someone are this kind of toxic and bring such a bad talk, and try to shit talk about VF, a game that need more public, to we get more market of Fgs. Not only Tekken. Also it's funny tmm talk about SF or VF when that guy just play Tekken, don't have idea about others FG never played at medium high level other games, one day just tried sf6 JP and reach diamond (shitty rank) and other day played VF in low rank mashing 2P. And think him did something. Him should close the mouth lol and stick to Tekken kazuya videos. Actually I also wish we got new Doa too eventually. To people not only stick to Tekken. Like I said great video man.😊
I'm not sure what TMM's history with VF is outside of the times he's played it on stream to mock it, but if he honestly just took a day or even a week to truly learn VF, I bet he would like it. It wouldn't even hurt his channel as everyone would want to see him play it. That's my issue with people who just play one fighting game. They most likely have zero interest to play anything else and because of that, everyone other game is deemed bad to them. And if they do try something else they're too immature to take it seriously and their ego is to built up to be humble and be bad at something again. It's just so childish.
This is just gamers in general for the most part CoD players not putting in the same time and effort in like Battlefield as they would CoD cause they CoD players
Idk. There's examples of both extreme in the FGC. I know people who are Incredible Gear players who are also good Street Fighter players, and vice versa. And often translate to other 2D fighters. But 3D players? Don't often support each other. If somebody plays one 3D, that's probably the ONLY 3D they play, if not the only GAME they play. There's a few players who will play more than one (I personally play and actively learn all of them). And Emery himself is a good example. But that's rare in most cases. I just wish 3D players supported each other the way 2Ds do.
@@13Kr4zYAzN13 oh okay I get what you saying and I agree we don’t support other 3D fighters for me Tekken just hits harder than other fighting games I’d like Soul Calibur more if it didn’t have ring outs and for VF & DoA they attacks lack weight and that throws me off those games but I’m getting VF6 to support RGG & if they was to announce a new DoA I’d get it
I wouldn't really care about his opinion, but what bothers me is that he has a vested interest in other games failing. He gets kickbacks from Bamco. There's a clear conflict of interest.
I used to watch him a lot in the tag 2 days so his... 'mannerisms' don't surprise me all that much. However, since then he had shown more mental maturity in general from what I had seen as far as raging at Tekken. Guess he hasn't matured as I thought he did, a shame.
I found my people man, I truly missed DoA man and it's good to see it defended and also more space being allowed in 3D fighters in general with VirtuaFigher getting refreshed. Keep it up!!!
Emery is spitting facts. If you dont enjoy something then why continue to torture yourself? In this case he just trash at the game. Most of these people need clutch mechanics like supers and meters to do well. Sadly his fanbase will just regurgitate his words verbatim like its gospel.
Vf is the hardest fighting game to get good at. Trashing on the game isn't going to make you get better at it. He must of thought he got the game down as good as he is in Tekken, went online and got made to look like a combo training dummy in training mode. Could not take the reality from the immense difference compared to what he is capable of in tekken.
Took me less than 5 minutes of the VF5 Revo beta to understand it's a great game (I had never played a VF game before). Now, I love DOA and DOA obviously took a lot from VF, so it helped a lot. But still
Bro doa was great and low key I attribute it it to my godlike throw breaks in tekken, it’s nuts that more people can’t appreciate the other 3d fighters
Don't waste your time with that guy since he's only trying to do it for the views plus shits and giggles also someone like you is actually a pro and badass content creator that has more knowledge and insight on the way how the 3d fighting game genre works
TheMainMan is a pathetic 3D player outside of Tekken like yeah he's good as Kazuya since TK6 i doubt this Swedish clout chasing clown will see this but bruh you only got to stop trying games and trashing them you not like but still play dude.
Yeah TMM is ridiculous for talking shit. I'm a big fan of 3D fighting games in general. Virtua Fighter is Amazing and innovative. So happy its coming back. ❤
Emery did you know TMM even had a go at Maximilinan Dood for talking the game up when it came out on PS4? Claimed he would never actually play it which isn't true. TMM himself talked up DNF Duel but I never saw him play that.
ok now real comment: Glad to see you doing well, always appreciated you were one of the rare voices that supports DoA and glad to see your channel doing well supporting VF. Keep at it bro
Thanks man! You as well!
Real
I really gotta play more doa and try VF
Is that the real (un-hacked) roof man?
@@hands-ongaming7180 yepper
Tmms is the type of guy to pretend he's drowning in the pool so he can get kissed by the lifeguard
Brutal
Actual facts lol
based angel pfp
😂😂😂😂
Sandlot was a good movie
From Leffen to TMM, the Swedish FGC are never gonna beat the toxicity allegations 😂
Damn
They 2 for 2, huh? 🤔
I mean they're just the infamous ones. They're the ones that make the others not in disapproval.
But... But... My boy Armada.
The Swedes are rather whiny tbh. Kinda like Italians.
The problem isn’t even that TMM doesn’t like the game, the problem is the guy knows nothing about the game and was just mashing buttons then complaining why it felt weird. Like damn bro it’s almost like if you open a chess board and only know how to play checkers it’s not gonna seem right the way the rook can rock your shit lmao
Wait didn't TMM criticise Leffen for essentially doing the same thing at the end of T7? Where does he get the nerve? Or is it ego?
@heartyman14 it's ego. He's a baby. Dude talks mad shit, I mean he even wanted to make content with LTG.
@@StrifeSoul990 Yeah i stopped following after that. Associating yourself with such a giant piece of shit is not it man
Heard Mike Hollow mention you as someone who is an authority on the series, what TMM said was childish and made him look like a fool who has never played a fighting game, Im glad someone who really knows the game is speaking up!
I've followed the Tekken scene since Tekken 6 and back then you can go back and find even the more rowdy guys like Aris being respectful towards VF as Tekken and Soul Calibur were massively influenced by the series. But it seems like in this new esports era of Tekken a lot of the content creators have lost touch with the roots of the series and just equate good game design to marketability and mass appeal. Honestly, I really don't get it but it reminds me of highschool lol. Poor VF is getting a swirly for no reason.
Aris actually used to hate on VF due to the way it looked back when he did his Avoiding the Puddle podcast. I argued with him a bit on this in the commnets and Ryan Hart when he was a guest got a bit annoyed with him.
Honestly, thank you for standing up for Virtua Fighter and the underrepresented in the FGC! I respect this video more than you know, Emery! Much appreciation as usual, homie 🙏🏾
I gave TMM mods for a vid on his channel and he then refused to credit me in it, he's just that kind of guy it seems, real shame. Not surprised he has such a narrow scope of fighting games too.
He doesn't credit the guy who made his intro theme either! I had to find out from the creator in the comments to one of TMM's videos where the guy who created it replied to me! Guy needs an attitude adjustment.
@@dealerofdeth Absolute scumbag.
That’s horrible dude
@@EmeryReigns I don't have much good to say about him let's just say that much. His time keeping is also horrible, kept me waiting months to sort out that mod for him, too. Absolute joke.
This is the main issue I have with TMM. He had high praises for VF4EVO years ago, did a FULL breakdown of the game features and why it deserved to be praised by the FGC, only for him to unlist the video and now crap all over VF entering relevance again. He's being disingenuous.
I'm convinced he's trying to keep up an image of VF haters who only love Tekken, "The Real Man's 3D Fighter".
It's stupid af. He could do a whole lot of good for VF and the scene if he'd be less of a grifter (and I HATE using that word, but he fits the description by the strictest definition).
If you watched his 4 year old vid on VF you would know he is critiquing the series and all his points are spot on. The game has aged horribly and the characters look busted. Idk why VF fans are in denial over this.
@@BanditToolsmaybe we know it’s a 20 year old game. The game still holds up. That's the impressive thing about it.
@@KevinLawson The game is woeful always has been been hence why nobody cares about it. This guy is crying about an opinion because he knows it's that unpopular he needs fake glowing reviews to get any crumbs of success
@@KevinLawson The game is woeful always has been been hence why nobody cares about it. This guy is crying about an opinion because he knows it's that unpopular he needs fake glowing reviews to get any crumbs of success
@@BanditTools I understand where you're coming from, I also watched that video and remember when 3 years ago VF fans hated all over TMM over his critique. I was like, well, they're in the wrong here I guess, based TMM.
Now VF5 gets rereleased once more and I tune in to watch TMM. He legit has nothing positive to say about the game and shits on it constantly to the point it's no longer critique anymore. I mean, he bashed the intro for looking dated. The goddamn intro!
Imagine being a VF fan for years, your game being niche all this time and now it gets more attention than in the past 20 years. Then one of the biggest Tekken streamers does a livestream making fun of the game. Look at the comments under his video, legit like half say the game looks bad and is garbage. I guarantee non of them tried it.
3D fighters are already niche, Tekken monopolized the genre. It needs some competition and VF needs new players. Now you have a dude who has no interest in playing the game making it look bad to masses, that could've given it a shot had they not seen that video. He's doing a disservice to the fgc and himself really, I hope he doesn't cry later when T8 will go down in flames after yet another wave of baffling decisions by Namco.
I say all of this as a longtime Tekken player who has just began playing VF, the game is awesome.
3:47 This part. I don't mind MainMan disliking Virtua Fighter. The problem is MainMan never gives Virtua Fighter a proper chance. He refuses to learn mechanics or experiment with other characters then plays Jeffry and complains about the game being slow.
As you said, it's a missed opportunity for brand new players to get into the series and at least for MainMan, diversify his channel with a new game.
Not the first time TMM was insufferable when playing another game. I remember his coverage with Smash Ultimate when Kazuya was releasing...
This is probably speculation, but I think he's butthurt that other 3d fighting games are getting attention. He's also known to be very salty when placed in frequent knowledge checks that he has no idea about(even though fighting games are his literal job, he should love to study fighting game knowledge but instead spends all day complaining about it)
I dropped T8 just before the release of Heihachi, and picked up DOA5LR for the first time in my life, and I'm loving it. Just bought VF too can't wait to try it, and Im saying this as a fan of Tekken since T3. Your DOA and VF videos definitely sold me on it ❤
Yeah, I dropped Tekken 8 after 14 years of playing game in serious way. Now Im studying VF5
perhaps he fears the prophecy of VF6's eventual domination of Tekken 8 🤔
As a Tekken fan, I hope so. It's the only thing that will make Namco wake up at this point.
Tmm literally internally crying because all him always wanted (muscular females, realistic models and real martial arts with no bullshit ) is not in Tekken, it's on VF
Lol
Glad to see you here too Roofle ❤
@@holden6104Facts
He has to realize that he is actually promoting Virtua Fighter cause he is bringing attention to Virtua Fighter. I met quite a bit of Tekken players that got sick of Tekken or wanted to try something new and played Virtua Fighter. He is indirectly bringing people in. Bad attention is better than no attention.
TMM is afraid VF will take over , and he doesn't want that because recently he's being sponsored by namco to promote tekken content and it's in his interest that tekken remains popular, so he's trying to make VF look bad hoping people won't touch the game.... this guy is a whole scumbag
I unsubscribe from the TMM a long time ago and I have not looked back. The worst thing about him is his fan base who regurgitates everything he says and nobody can debate or challenge him when he says something stupid. He has a known history for saying a lot of dumb things.
never had interest in playing VF,but after this, im gonna give it a try
Also try Kensei: Sacred Fist, Yuusha: Heavens Gate, Force Five, and Battle of Yu Yu Hakusho
^^^
vf is hella fun when you get the hang of things
@@budgiecat9039Force Five is highly underrated.. easy to pick up hard to master.
Also, try DOA, Soulcalibur, and Bloody Roar if you hadn't.
TMM is a complete shill, and a very arrogant at that.
He has no monetizable skills other than playing Tekken, so he will promote Tekken as much as oossible, because if it dies out - he will have to apply for McDonalds vacancies
I left a comment of his channel saying, play as a character that suited his speed and play style. Someone like Jean Kujo and not Jeffery, but no he purposely chooses the second slowest fighter and spams crouching jabs, overhead attacks only to follow up into body presses and say, this game is so slow.
He is stupid for doing that. I would think that if you want a first character you want someone lighter not heavier
Bruh it annoys the hell out of me when people say Tekken is “faster” lol. I’m like “do this simple test. Pick Steve and tap LK > RK to “bob and weave”, then use Brad Burns and do the bob and weave. Then come back and tell me how “fast” Steve is next to Brad.” Lol
@@svenmanning no I start with who I like the most in character design such as Rock and Lizardman, King, Noob Saibot, Hayate and Nyotengu, Sabretooth, Spiral and Venom, list goes on.
My point is, play who you think looks cool, then adjust to how the game works WITH those characters that you chose
Notice that since the VF6 announcement, suddenly MMS is playing VF5, a 15yr old game by the way, only to shit on it. Like dude, we get it, you love Tekken. I love Tekken! But Tekken didn't invent 3D-Fighting, VF did. They belong in it more than anything. And I hate to break it to you, Tekken having some competition is a good thing. It'll get more eyes on the FGC, no matter what game it is.
And childish is an understatement. I watched the stream of him playing VF5. He'd come up against a player that actually knows what they're doing, and then shit on them for being at the game when he loses! Like, 'what kind of loser takes the time to learn VF? Hahaha!'
He really lost some respect from me with that crap. We get it now, you're a Tekken fanboy because you're threated by fighting game that's not even out yet.
Who said Tekken invented 3D Fighters? Just making stuff up now. And VF doing that doesn't automatically mean people have to like it. Personally I play both but stop expecting people to hit their knees and worship VF for pioneering 3D fighters
@@jirenthegray5776 nobody is expecting anyone to worship it , it’s about people with bigger platforms talking crap on the game before newcomers even try it , i’m not good at VF at all because i never played it growing up but it doesn’t mean i’m gonna talk down on the game just because i’m getting worked by people who know how to play the game
@@jolynecujohstanRespectfully If someone never started a game over an opinion they were never going to start it in the first place.
@@BanditTools I half agree , there’s some games i
I’ve kinda avoided cuz of what people say but playing it myself and forming my own opinions I ended up liking them
@@jolynecujohstanImagine letting someone’s words stop you from trying a video game. This is one of my peeves with the FGC. I saw the MMS video and still tried VF and had a decent time with it. Just because ONE person isn’t singing its praises doesn’t mean it’s going to stop people from trying the game lol.
TMM probably hates honest fgs that aren't just 80% launchers
TMM doesn't respect his elders. VF literally was the blueprint for Tekken. No VF, No Tekken. it's that simple. TMM is not in it for the love of Tekken just like new rap artists aren't in it for the love of music. They both just want to make some money.
@@leebyakkoprizziano I don't know what this is supposed to mean. Hasn t diablo 4 been trashed since release and been compared to path of exile ? Did anyone pull the "respect your elders" for that one ? How about overwatch 2 getting trashed when compared to marvel rivals ?
Diablo 4 gets trashed constantly and compared to path of exile . I have never heard anyone pull the " respect your elders" card . Same for overwatch 2 who s getting trashed daily when compared to marvel rivals .
@@Butter-keks85 I don't like the "respect your elders" argument either, but in the case of OW2 and D4, those games did a lot of things terribly and pissed off their playerbase. TMM is an outsider coming in to the VF community, taking a dump on a game they like and leaving without cleaning up the stink he left.
Keeping it real, and BTW, as someone who plays in EU and has made TMM rage many times, the guy ain't good at Tekken AT all.
TMM is literally a Tekken Elitist. I whole heartily agree with you 100 percent. Players that say "x" fighter is bad becuase "y" fighter is better just blows my mind.
I'm a FG guy who has been playing FGs for over 30 years and I try ones that really interest me. If they don't fit for me I usually say to people "yeah I liked it, but I just wasn't feeling it, not my kind of fighter". Tekken is one of my favorite FG series (Tekken 8 is changing that big time not in a good way lol).
However I'm not a person to trash others favorite fighters. DOA and VF personally to me are legit 3D fighting games that deserve waaaaay more love. Tekken is currently losing its identity of what made Tekken "Tekken".
I completely get your frustration. Especially when main Content creators say other series are "bad". This is partly why TMM gets a lot of heat from the community. Personally FGC is a family and no matter what fighter a person likes, it's special to them. People just need to grow up. Ironically TMM is pushing 40ish and still acts incredibly immature.
I don't think Tekken really ever had an "identity" to be honest, it was always some experimental illegitimate child of VF.
Alot is being made about this most recent entry, but to me, not much has fundamentally changed about Tekken, despite all the crying.
It's still very much 'first person to make a mistake in neutral gets launched and loses the round'. The only difference now, is that the heat system cuts down the amount of time spent (or wasted) turtling and jockeying for that first hit, which used to take up 45-60 seconds of an 80 second round. Who wants to watch that crap as a spectator?
If anything, Tekken 8 has eliminated the horrible turtling and time wasting, which makes it the most direct and to the point Tekken done so far, I like this one to be honest.
VF is still and always will be the father and king of 3D fighters though.
@@LonglostpussNah, it definitely had its own identity. A 3d fighter that was inspired by "anime if it had realistic fighting" with a juggle mechanic at an EDM party.
It definitely started to lose part of that a while back.
@@BeretBay Not really, go back to the original Tekken and tell me what anime was in there, it was literally developed by the original Virtua Fighter team who'd left SEGA and even used its engine!
Tekken 4 copied Virtua Fighter 3 with the uneven terrained stages.
Tekken was essentially a nomadic fighter all the way up to Tag Tournament 2. It turned into a certified anime fighter when Tekken 7 got dropped because it became too obvious by then when all the incremental changes started to add up and then they said "Ah f**k it" and introduced the rage art which just confirmed what everyone was already thinking about its direction.
Many say Tekken 6 was a actually the turning point of the series.
Only since the last 3 were people calling it an anime fighter, Tekken had no identity other than being the child of VF who tried to do something different.
@@LonglostpussThe turtling was Tekken s identity. what also changes is inflation of plus frames. Your goal is to make your opponent block an attack to get plus frames. Just press R1, No Matter if they block or not or sidestep, everything is good for you . It's very different from 7 and before. It's now about who attacks first basically.
@@Longlostpuss tekken had. an identity, wtf are you talking about? tekken has always been the absurdity of VFs grounded game.... tekken was the perfect balance of a grounded 3d fighting game mixed with absurdity.... it didnt take itself too seriously and it was fun....
but ever since tekken 7, the game has been losing what made it tekken and T8 made it worse.
.. now, its just fighting game hacky sack and the game is just too absurd.... even the story is now shitty, back then, tekken was the only fighting game where the protagonist is not a good guy, now the game is so anime
TMM hating on Virtua Fighter again ? Well he is a Tekken fanboy , I can't take it seriously, VF is one of the greatest , the father of 3D fighting games and a very technical and deep game.
I'm glad Virtua Fighter is back.
Big facts. Got to play the game for yourself and not just go off of what people say. People said the same thing about avengers but I enjoyed it
Same. People shit on rogue company but there really no game like it
Exactly I don't play those games but I love people enjoy it then being someone ears saying it sucks same thing happened to last of us 2 people hated so badly it was not bad game combat and weapons has been approved and dodging is very affected. No return mode was good. Only downside was Joel dying early got people going
@@humaneshadow300 imagine if they killed off Luke Skywalker in the empire strikes back. That’s how the Joel thing feels. It’s genuinely bad
@@NGAMAKANUI I think killing off Joel could have been super impactful if done right. But it happened way too early without any build up
I stopped supporting him a while ago. I lost all respect due to his attitude and lack of accountability. Anything he gets called out for is met with the same response: "It's just a joke," "Have you never heard of a joke?" Extremely spineless and no integrity. Like every shill.
It had to be said, so I'm glad you said it. I'm happy you actually got around to making this video. I was watching that stream when TMM started bashing VF again... was so frustrating, I actually had to stop watching. A beloved game like VF with 20 players is making a totally unexpected comeback and he uses its momentum to brigade the game and put a damper on its buzz with his uninformed critiques. He literally never tried to understand VF. When Ultimate Showdown came out, he just got on and started laughing at the sound effects and kept spamming dick jabs. People could easily find a bunch of lame shit about Tekken and hyperfocus on that too. All my friends who play fighting games NEVER played DOA once and refuse to try it even though it's my favorite.. and it's all because of guys like TMM or Aris. They really don't grasp the extent of their influence.
If someone’s opinion is enough to stop your buddies then they were never going to pick it up. Period. Sorry you had to find out this way.
@@BanditTools Not really. Many people just take other's opinions as gospel.
@@BanditTools I'll live... but I feel your statement falls apart on its face. We all allow people we trust to curate our interests to a degree. If you're already uninterested in something, or even neutral about it and someone you respect or trust and agree with about tons of other topics tells you it's bad/not worth your time, it'll probably influence your decision to experience it. "Maybe I should try their buffalo wings", "Nah, bro.. I had them last week and they were horrible" = now you never buy wings from that place because your boy told you they sucked. And we've all had experiences where we tried something we had prejudice against and loved it.. The friends I mentioned already have some reservations about DOA because they're uncomfortable with its reputation as a fanservice-fighter (although they're not particularly uncomfortable with the fanservice itself). So they're already bias against DOA and it only takes the opinion of someone they admire or respect to further sway them. Doesn't take much when you're already on the fence.
100% facts bro, thanks for making this video. You don't have to snuff out someone else's candle to make yours burn brighter.
Fighting games are a niche genre of video games. 3D fighting games are an even more niche sub-genre within the fighting game genre - why trash talk one of the franchises in the genre that has been pioneering in fighting games, and gaming in general? What does belittling VF do for you? Everyone in the FGC should be happy that VF is returning, that another franchise is coming back as that means more variety for us to play.
If TMM doesn't like Virtua Fighter, fine, no one forcing you to play it. But trashing VF just because you don't like it and putting the game down shows no respect for the genre. THERE WOULD BE NO TEKKEN IF IT WEREN'T FOR VIRTUA FIGHTER - PERIOD END OF STORY!
If you weren't there, you could only imagine how TMM was when he reacted to Kazuya in Smash, a game that the FGC tends to view as childish and easy already. Bro underestimated how many of his viewers actually played Smash because he was being so toxic that his video got disliked bombed to the point of him forever taking down the video.
🥇 Virtua Fighter
🥈 Dead Or Alive
🥉 Tekken
🪙 Bloody Roar (My Childhood Preference)
Ah, a fellow Bloody Roar aficionado. I too share the same sentiment, but it's downright infuriating to see the franchise forever locked away in Konami's vault.
@@VirtuaNinja1
It could also been The Fighting Wushu (Fighting Bujutsu) but Konami is retarded
Damn! It's rare to see someone mention Bloody Roar.
@leorickaldana366
how bout Fighting Eyes 👀
Bet you never heard anyone mention that
(That's because it sucks 🤣)
@@budgiecat9039 Sadly no. I've known some good fighting games and other action games that aren't that popular back then but they're mostly anime tie-ins (Kamen Rider, Ultraman) mecha ones or some obscure Japanese-only games (like Sengoku Basara series) that we still don't understand to this day.
It’s like he doesn’t want to accept he isn’t good at VF, so instead of tryna put the time in and improve he blames the game and trashes it. When he could easily just say yk what this game isn’t for me
he barely even knows how to use the practice mode in tekken because he doesn't lab anything then cries and talks shit when he's getting knowledge checked, the guy is a lazy brain idiot
TMM summed up real quick. If he sucks at the game, the game sucks. If he is good at the game, it is amazing. Funny thing is he only plays Tekken so Tekken is the only amazing game to him lmao
The way I see it TMM pretty much shits on almost any fighting game that isn’t Tekken
THANK YOU! for standing fact on why Tekken wouldn't exist if this wasn't for VF. TMM and his die-hard fanboys don't give VF credits it deserve. I love both VF and Tekken equally, but I hate when one fandom is hating on other game in most childish way possible.
It the sheep mentally , if his says its suck they believe him
@@Einsteinjrlivesbro the game series died for a reason, it’s trash
@@onyx3881so fortnite and genshin are the goat ? Is this your argument ? Sales= good?
I played tekken for 30 years I didn't really start VF until 4 but I is where I said let me learn this game..I played 7 days a week started from scratch..I got really good train with tricky,denkai, played a set with chief flash..Became a great Eileen it's a great game if you put the time into really learning the game same as Tekken..I like both
@@tryingtochangemyways5074 That's all this community want from Main man really.Respect this game.Get good! Don't just mash buttons and complain afterwards like a toddler lmao 🤣
it is what it is man. There is a difference between a "x player" and a FIGHTING GAME player. Real ones can tell the difference. Try to focus on the folks that are about the latter and leave the hoes alone.
You love DOA so you know how it goes down. Ive experienced this a few times with modern releases of some games. Just remember who the real ones are
There is nothing wrong about being a one game Andy, but we shouldn’t ever listen to them talk about other games
I just remember him spamming 2P like it was the funniest shit he had ever seen acting like Tekken 7 didn’t have some of the most disgusting one-button strings to ever exist
MainMan shitting on game / character for no reason?
*pretends to be shocked*
I think TMMS is threatened that if VF ever rose back to fame and potentially steal tekkens spot light, it would possibly jeopardize his viewers and popularity as a tekken content creator and has some ties with bandai Namco it might hurt him, if he is making money off of that
VF6 isn’t going to effect the views or popularity of Tekken frfr cause we as people stick to what we play look at SonicFox he plays almost everything but he always goes back to MK cause he’s a MK player that’s how majority of gamers are
@@DanielThomas-nv1gz I thought Sonic Fox was mainly a Smash player?
@ no he’s MK probably the best MK player of all time tbh
Idk, I think he just has a weird hatred towards other 3d fighters. He crapped on VF, and iirc, he did the same to SC6. Watching him bash both of them despite not having a single clue what to do was painful.
Be honest, do you really want vf spaces full of tmm fans lol. Him keeping his riders away might be a blessing in disguise.
content farming that's why
He just doesn't want VF to take too many players away from Tekken and hurt his bag
Yeah, one thing I really hates, is peoples who can't form an opinion of their own and will parrot whatever their favorite content creators says. It's really grating. That 2021 clip is so damn real.
TMM's issue is his inability to learn or take on another fighting games under their own rules. He's constantly comparing all fighting games he plays to Tekken rather than accept those fighting games for what they are, and he does get salty when his Tekken knowledge of fundamentals are not a 1 to 1 translation to other fighters (specifically other 3d fighters).
His disgruntled attitude towards VF is not unique to only that game, he did this to Soul Calibur 6 as well (which is another Namco fighting game, so his bias is not because of his loyalty to Namco, its his loyalty to Tekken and Tekken alone because he had no problem dunking on Soul Calibur when it didn't play like Tekken).
TMM is not a bad person, his contribution to the Tekken community is a net positive as a whole. But it does makes his opinions on other fighting games disingenuous and very bias when he puts in little to no effort in understanding those fighting games IE: getting killed repeatedly in soul calibur 6 by strings he can guard impact in the middle of or not stepping very obvious steppable vertical attacks then complaining about broken attacks when he should be utilizing the 8 way run system that's unique to Soul Calibur etc.
Bravo!
7:30 He need to be grateful for the whole series!
Its clear that he is a Tekken shill which is fine, but he is hardly objective in critiquing other 3d fighters.
We should want more competition in the 3d fighting game space. It could be said that due to the lack of it that is why T8 is in the state it is in.
even though i suck at it...i still love the fuck out of this game : the look, the soundtrack, the fun classic sega vibes this game radiates. But like you said if i'm not havin fun with a specific game in the first place i'm simply not gonna waste my time or energy on it. What it simply is, is just trolling for views in my opinion. Aside from that i agree with everything you mentioned.
As a Mortal Kombat,VF and DOA fan all of their communities have their ups and downs but for some reason I can't stand the Tekken Community.
The feeling is mutual
As a Tekken player this how I feel about the MK community
As a 3D player who started with Tekken and branched out to the others, I hate the Tekken Elitists. They're insufferable.
Just because you can't play other 3Ds doesn't make them bad. Just means you're bad. TMM is proof of that mentality. And I hate how common it is. Not saying I want T8 to fail, but I hope VF, SC, and DOA pop enough for Tekken Elitists to understand.
DOA makes sense considering your more than likely a basement dwelling freak like them
@@13Kr4zYAzN13 All elitists are insufferable, but all things have them. There've been Tekken, DoA, Virtua Fighter elitists trying to suck all the joy out of "rival" titles. Like the amount of times I've heard "Tekken's got it wrong" when it is its own game. No one should be competing on what's the better plastic disc instead of just enjoying the experience itself.
Virtua Fighter is the father of all 3D fighting games. If it wasn't for VF, there would be no Tekken, as well as no Dead or Alive and no SoulCalibur. TheMainManSWE, aka TMM, is too much of an arrogant dumbass to even understand that. He lets pride, ego and arrogance cloud his common sense. He dedicates his whole life to playing Tekken, he probably doesn't even get out into the real world that much and try new things. The FGC owes it to Virtua Fighter, as well as Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat since all 3 are the pioneers of modern fighting games.
Facts
Straight truth!
mortal kombat? lmao, it was just a whack a$$ street fighter 2 wannabe, their games have always been the lowest level of the industry, even now their games are still trash competitively, vf and sf those are the only pioneers
@tiger-rgn I would throw Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting in there as pioneers actually because they introduced things such as meter, desperation attacks and supers.
As much as I never really cared for MK, it does need to be acknowledged for introducing finishers though most fighting games outside of MK Clones don't use them.
But it also modernized face capture through digitized picture sprites as well as transformations
@@tiger-rgnMk brought the west closer to the fgc scene imo
His wife left him for a reason.
Wait, for real? Not surprised. He seems like a supremely toxic, immature douchebag. And he has a kid. Jesus.
Tekken 8 is losing hard it's own player base so they are afraid as fuck.
Also just yesterday there was an other Tekken Community Scandal with BigNose calling KingJae with N word and physically threatened to assault him. Or at least it was one of he's ''discord fans.''
Well delivered. You even kept it more respectful than you had to.
Like I said before, people do strange things when trying to maintain their voice in a community.
Funny thing is, he's complaining MOSTLY about the visuals and sound, at one point he was saying that Tekken 7 has better animations and sound effects, which is hilarious, I like Tekken better (very slightly) but even I recognize that VF5 is significantly better when it comes to visuals and sound than Tekken 7 was, then again, I believe VF only got better with every installment while Tekken remained stagnant ever since Tekken 6 and in fact got a little worse actually, so I might be a bit biased, but when the Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang says he's impressed by the game, who is TMM to argue, eh?
I appreciated you keeping it real about people who hate on this game. Especially people that do not know or understand the game.
Totally agree! VF is second only to Street Fighter in terms of importance to the genre. And for 3D fighters it’s literally THE #1 most important. If you’re a part of the fgc and you can’t respect that, it shows ignorance.
I mean, you can respect the first VF, but the last one is kind of meh and not important to fighting games industry, there's a reason this thing and other "OGs" like KoF are barely surviving the competition and I don't think it's only because of content creators' yapping
@@DennisMaltzevthey cant survive in a era where gambling and casual non-arcade game thrive
You got people spending thousand s for pixel on micro transaction now the market has changed with the massive wave of casual
Never saw TMM hating on any game till now. And it has me confused. How do you play Tekken 24-7 and have no respect for VF's gameplay?
Nothing but truth spoken in this video
6:16 realest comment in this entire video
TMM sadly was the biggest Tekken content creator since 7 came out there was Kingjae but he was mad small back in 7 when he made guides he loves Fatal Fury and King of Fighters and those are niche games as well.
Kingjae loves VF too.
@@biquibano one watches kingjae
King Jae the viewbotter?
tmm also pretends to like t8, almost every content creator or pro does that... sadly... framewhisperer is one of the very few that actually says how things are..
One of the realest voices in the fgc. Great vid bro.
Hey man, hope you've been well. Haven't watched the video yet but I just wanted to say a few things. A giant streamer saying something sucks will put thousands of people off of something, essentially dooming whatever that may be. Virtua Fighter cannot succeed with bad word of mouth from people when it already has a much, much smaller fan base than Tekken and Street Fighter (which I've never understood as VF has always been in my top three personally). I try to be positive on here all the time, but I've never really liked this dude as he seems to be the exact opposite of someone like Lil Majin who I also mod for just because of his wholesomeness and overall great attitude. TMM doesn't have to like the game but the least he can do is not talk badly about it so everyone that does can enjoy it. The game has to be around for that of course, and it's a miracle we're finally getting one despite people like him constantly talking bad about it. I will be buying this day one and I hope the true fans do too. Happy Holidays everyone. Even TMM lol. Edit: You addressed my points. Right on.
Though, Emery, with the Yakuza-series as its backup, VF can also gain a whole lot of newcomers who love mashing as Kiryu, Majima or Saejima. Maybe VF will bring the whole Yakuza lineup with it. Which would be very very sick. :D
Also maybe Lan Di from Shenmue since he also uses Tiger Swallow Fist (Huyan Quan/Koen Ken) as Lau does
My head canon always felt Yakuza is canonically linked to Shenmue anyway because if you play Shenmue 1 and go into town and walk up to the second floor ilegal mob run casino, the door man looks just like Akira Nishikiyama, and the second in charge guy inside looks just like Daisuke Kuze, also from Yakuza Zero, complete with the same hair cut, sunglasses and purple leather suit. And keep in mind Shenmue 1 took place in 1986/1987, while Yakuza Zero took place 1988 👀
I don't think we'll get the *whole* lineup. But I definitely getting a feeling we're getting at LEAST one
The question is who 🤔
@13Kr4zYAzN13 Tanimura would actually make the most sense
3:54 I honestly feel like this is where a lot of people's gripes with T8 come from. And I'd honestly extend that to include that not liking certain mechanics doesn't mean they're inherently bad.
I completely agree with the points you’re making! Great video, just subscribed 💪
I haven’t really engaged with VF in a long time. Literally since VF2 Sega Saturn, because the single player has always been so lackluster. But the VF5 Revo beta was a ton of fun.
Yo emery. I’ll be honest I do watch tmm, but I think this video of you pointing out tmm being overly critical (and tbh fairly childish) is true and pinpoints a lot of problems I have with him. Sure, I watch him because it’s Tekken content and it can be fun, but he’s quite critical to every game that isn’t Tekken, even non fighting games. In fact, this situation kinda reminds me of when he criticized Kazuya being in smash. Rather than being hyped he actively shat on the game until the smash community dog piled him and made him change his mind.
This was a fair and excellent video, and it felt like actual constructive criticism where you got some great points across rather than a rant. I look forward to the return of VF and I’m excited to give REVO a shot when it drops!
Thanks for taking the time to watch! Much appreciated!
Actually Emery, a neat video idea would be a video about "What VF character fits you based on your playstyle/main in Tekken!" would be great. I remember trying to get into VF and my character I tried first was Akira. There was a move he did that felt like I had to do a frame perfect input! So who else would you recommend for someone who plays mostly Lars? I also like to dabble into Steve because boxing is just a passion of mine.
Already did that brother check the channel lol
I just saw this and I'ma say this don't listen to TMM I've been in TEKKEN's community long enough to tell you he is biased to all HELL and back he is basically LTG at this point and much worse he is an EXTREME shill for TEKKEN and most of his content comes down to baby raging over anything that isn't a Mishima.
Cause of that I feel it is our duty to insure VF succeeds over TEKKEN.
I think its very important that every creative/influencer has to know the power of there words.
I love people who go against what I say to an extent because it shows me people still think for themselves; My opinion never means the definitive opinion.
If I don't like a game much, I just slowly phase out talking about it & do something else, I know that's a hard concept for many to do nowadays.
Honestly I see it as being threatened by the potential of VF6. Regardless of if he admits it or not.
Me personally I love BOTH. However I have issues with both sides. I grew up playing VF and I love VF and I'm super happy it's coming back. I think it says a lot about a game that it is so well made that the community remains even after this much time off.
However there are some very snooty superior anti-Tekken minds in VF. I think it breeds that kind of reaction.
However what you said is completely true Emery, there is no point to intentionally speak evil and sabotage a game. Especially the game that we're trying to restore back to what it was.
I don't like the idea of playing the game just to sh!t on the game. That's just wrong.
Every Tk fan like TMM who's hating on VF5Revo and VF6 should WANT VF to do well, even if they won't play it.
Because then that would force Harada to actually bring his A game and make Tekken 8 even better. Or he'll lose more players to VF.
If VF is bad, then Harada's free to put out whatever slop he wants in Tekken 8. Which he kinda is at the moment.
I want it to do good cause RGG studios is helping make it that’s all we know the chances of it affecting Tekken at all is extremely slim
Dude, HARADA wants it to do well especially since there's only been Tekken for far too long since all other types of 3d fighters died out or didn't succeed like DoA6 which some devs joined the Tekken team, or Soul Calibur that was ruined a couple times, Bloody Roar that's buried in the Konami graveyard and VF that hasn't seen a new original instalment since I've been an adult. Why can 2d have 5+ concepts but 3d can't have even 2 exist at anyone time, and when it does happen whys it Soul Calibur that can't survive, why can't Sega do something outside of Sonic or Persona on a regular. It's about time VF finally get a new instalment and finally move away from VF5 after 5 different versions within around 19 years. I'm objectively tired of 2d everywhere and not even 1 3d barely off of life support when ttt2 was around
Tekken wouldnt exist without Virtua Fighter paving the way
Let them hate on VF and doa both are great series they upset thinking VF gonna take Tekken 8 player's it's not for them it's for the fans past 30 year's. Of course hater's are coming from Tekken player's. Why they can just leave VF fans alone and doa stay playing Tekken
"Turn the game off then."
If it was only that easy. Unfortunately for these type of people, they continue with something unenjoyable, because of spite or clout.
This really pissed me off too. Dude is a Tekken shill to the MAX!
Glad to see you're doing well Em
We have to protect Virtua Fighter at all cost!
not gonna lie, "mainman working 9-5" part was 🔥
I started to dislike tmm when him started to be toxic against other Fgs.
Specially against VF
VF it's the first 3D fg , him should be grateful VF exist because thanks to VF is why exist Tekken, even Harada know that.
But I feel tmm it's scared that VF finally kill Tekken specially after so bad moment tk8 is having with so much modernization, (I always liked Tekken but since this I dropped it) because it's too dumb.
About tmm I sincerely despite him because it's the example of what Tekken is today (and thanks to him) Toxic, egocentric, and that fake statement about Tekken being the most hard Fg (when is not)
It's thanks to him and his toxic bullshit also why I started to hate more TK community and the last game.
And him wanted (real look female chars, serious martial arts) all that have it VF , and I think him just envy like crazy VF, him can't have it on Tekken where all is more anime and casual.
Great video bro. ❤
This type of videos are necessary, specially when tmm or someone are this kind of toxic and bring such a bad talk, and try to shit talk about VF, a game that need more public, to we get more market of Fgs.
Not only Tekken.
Also it's funny tmm talk about SF or VF when that guy just play Tekken, don't have idea about others FG
never played at medium high level other games,
one day just tried sf6 JP and reach diamond (shitty rank) and other day played VF in low rank mashing 2P.
And think him did something.
Him should close the mouth lol and stick to Tekken kazuya videos.
Actually I also wish we got new Doa too eventually.
To people not only stick to Tekken.
Like I said great video man.😊
in a world full of TMM be a Max or Reigns
VF is always my favourite, you have more situational counter measures than other fighters. People don't learn the game.
I'm not sure what TMM's history with VF is outside of the times he's played it on stream to mock it, but if he honestly just took a day or even a week to truly learn VF, I bet he would like it. It wouldn't even hurt his channel as everyone would want to see him play it.
That's my issue with people who just play one fighting game. They most likely have zero interest to play anything else and because of that, everyone other game is deemed bad to them. And if they do try something else they're too immature to take it seriously and their ego is to built up to be humble and be bad at something again. It's just so childish.
This is just gamers in general for the most part CoD players not putting in the same time and effort in like Battlefield as they would CoD cause they CoD players
Idk. There's examples of both extreme in the FGC. I know people who are Incredible Gear players who are also good Street Fighter players, and vice versa. And often translate to other 2D fighters.
But 3D players? Don't often support each other. If somebody plays one 3D, that's probably the ONLY 3D they play, if not the only GAME they play. There's a few players who will play more than one (I personally play and actively learn all of them). And Emery himself is a good example. But that's rare in most cases. I just wish 3D players supported each other the way 2Ds do.
@@13Kr4zYAzN13 oh okay I get what you saying and I agree we don’t support other 3D fighters for me Tekken just hits harder than other fighting games I’d like Soul Calibur more if it didn’t have ring outs and for VF & DoA they attacks lack weight and that throws me off those games but I’m getting VF6 to support RGG & if they was to announce a new DoA I’d get it
I wouldn't really care about his opinion, but what bothers me is that he has a vested interest in other games failing. He gets kickbacks from Bamco. There's a clear conflict of interest.
He doesn’t like it because he sucks at it, that is all.
I used to watch him a lot in the tag 2 days so his... 'mannerisms' don't surprise me all that much. However, since then he had shown more mental maturity in general from what I had seen as far as raging at Tekken. Guess he hasn't matured as I thought he did, a shame.
So weird that dude decided to hyper fixate on VF and trash on it when he doesnt even understand the game or its mechanics.
I found my people man, I truly missed DoA man and it's good to see it defended and also more space being allowed in 3D fighters in general with VirtuaFigher getting refreshed. Keep it up!!!
Emery is spitting facts. If you dont enjoy something then why continue to torture yourself? In this case he just trash at the game. Most of these people need clutch mechanics like supers and meters to do well. Sadly his fanbase will just regurgitate his words verbatim like its gospel.
He's definitely a hater. VF is still top notch from 12 years ago. The balance update is icing on the cake.
Or he just doesn’t think it’s that good???
@@DanielThomas-nv1gz So WHY keep making videos of himself playing it then?? Does that make sense to you? It’s obvious what his motive is.
@ I’m sure he played cause his chat asked him I seen that in a video covering it if my memory is correct
You mean the same patch that gave Eileen a pseudo infinite? Lol.
@@BanditTools That comes down to game knowledge. I shake it and punish them every time.
I've been watching mainman for almost 5 years. And it's like every year his fragile ego gets bigger and bigger. It's quite sad tbh.
Vf is the hardest fighting game to get good at. Trashing on the game isn't going to make you get better at it. He must of thought he got the game down as good as he is in Tekken, went online and got made to look like a combo training dummy in training mode. Could not take the reality from the immense difference compared to what he is capable of in tekken.
I mean he hates on characters in Tekken if they don't require execution.He shits on Lei Wulong because he can't beat him
tmmswe is a far right nationalist btw, have no idea why Bandai Namco thought it appropriate to have him do tutorials and upload to their channel
Took me less than 5 minutes of the VF5 Revo beta to understand it's a great game (I had never played a VF game before). Now, I love DOA and DOA obviously took a lot from VF, so it helped a lot. But still
Bro doa was great and low key I attribute it it to my godlike throw breaks in tekken, it’s nuts that more people can’t appreciate the other 3d fighters
Don't waste your time with that guy since he's only trying to do it for the views plus shits and giggles also someone like you is actually a pro and badass content creator that has more knowledge and insight on the way how the 3d fighting game genre works
TheMainMan is a pathetic 3D player outside of Tekken like yeah he's good as Kazuya since TK6 i doubt this Swedish clout chasing clown will see this but bruh you only got to stop trying games and trashing them you not like but still play dude.
Yeah TMM is ridiculous for talking shit. I'm a big fan of 3D fighting games in general. Virtua Fighter is Amazing and innovative. So happy its coming back. ❤
Emery did you know TMM even had a go at Maximilinan Dood for talking the game up when it came out on PS4? Claimed he would never actually play it which isn't true. TMM himself talked up DNF Duel but I never saw him play that.
If Virtua Fighter didn’t exist, TMM would just be a plain forgettable RUclipsr.