I think it was sage Vasishta who said: _“from the relative point of view God (the Absolute) is the Creator, but from the absolute point of view God has no such limiting qualities”_
This goes to the heart of most people's challenge with grasping nonduality: holding both the view of the forest and the view of a single tree at the same time.
God created me and you. God. That says a lot. Thus, write me among the witnessers O God! That I testify and bear witness that there is no god or deity or divinity but You, that none has the right to be worshiped except You, that none are worthy of praise but You, that You are the Most Great, and that You exists!
Well, this is the final knockout punch. The ego is not getting up. It was given a count of ten. It’s over. No going to it’s neutral corner. No taking its gloves off and taking a shower. No going home. It died in the ring. Not even carried off and given a proper burial. Because, it never even fought and died. It can’t even be called a dream. There is nobody left to remember the tale. It just never was.
@@SolveEtCoagula93 Its a means of communication for those who get up in the morning and having the needs of thoughts and things being one’s chief concerns
To say that God loves us is to know that you are love. To know love as your own being. There is no separate love to shine upon you.. It's the light you are which illuminates all possibilities. You're the qeustion and answer in one.
Then why would John Smith bother playing King Lear if he cannot know of his experience. And from what I’ve previously understood, awareness knows awareness, that is all there is to know but it does know it. A few in -congruencies there I feel… any answers to that anyone?
John Smith plays king Lear due to ignorance of his true being. It is because he is living in the duality of mind. Once John Smith realizes that he is infinite awareness or Consciousness or God, King Lear automatically dissolves 🙏
If the infinite is God, yet cannot be aware of the finite how then did the infinite create the finite? Wouldn't it need to be 'aware' or 'objectify' the finite?
@philmason7860 I know and if thought through, it is bizarre, human centric to the extreme and is a version of the "fall from Grace" theology. There are reasons imo it did that but there is no mastering it as a literal concept because it doesn't exist. If one wishes to treat it as a present tense ongoing metaphor, then it might have some relevance. The "fall" (Garden of Eden) was a myth to represent departure from unity consciousness, not a literal event. That God would not know this happened but figure out something was not kosher so it sent its "Holy Spirit" (separate from itself???) to mediate is weird thinking.
@@phantomhawk01 I know of no mystical theology that says this. Not from great Yogis, not from Rumi or Kabir, etc. not from Native American theology, not even from Taoism.
@philmason7860 The Course was created and published from around 1966-1975 when America was 90% Christian. It had to clothe itself in a highly Christian form, including a semblance of "fall theology" in order to inverts and subvert traditional Christian doctrine. People were not yet ready to understand God created all of this, dark and light, which is a Vedanta concept. That receptivity would come in the 90's, when channeled popular works like "Conversations With God" gave a clearer picture. "The impulse, thought, idea, consideration arose in God, what would it be like if I experienced myself as that which I am not, the illusion of separation and forgetting?" The Course always says it points to something but is not the thing itself, which is beyond language and intellect. At some point we must leave the words and concepts and plunge in through direct experience. The Course calls these moments "Hoy Instances". I call them "Holy Immersions".
There is no separate self until there is one on a finite level that doesn’t know it’s infinite. So ego is the creation of a separate self but is a part of all that is when you sit as all that is, as infinite. Freedom.
Ive been following Rupert for many years. But this video kind of suorised me. Im confused...if infinit conscousness cannot see or interact the finit world, how can God know the world? How can He relate or live through our being. I thought God see's and experiences the world through us...but after all, he knows nothing about the world...what???
Exsisrence Conciousness bliss There is god Everything is god Everything in conciousness . I am in conciousness Truth is nothing but conciousness. Those who believe believe those who don’t don’t. Truth is truth
In Zen it is said that contradictions must be embraced. What seems irreconcilable from an intellectual point of view appears natural when the body-mind (shin-jin) is abandoned (datsu raku).
How does Rupert the finite mind know what the infinite mind knows about anything? Is there a self inquiry that goes all the way back to the source of all knowing for him to know this as fact?
There is no finite mind - it’s all infinite and because ‘Rupert’ (infinite consciousness) knows who he is and abides as that, clarity is a result of that
In the analogy of the squeezed rubber ball having the tendency to return back to its original form, that "tendency" can be said to be unconditional love. The separating experience manifests a longing to return to Oneness and if it creates it in our finite being which is itself the infinite Consciousness then there is nowhere that the tendency/unconditional love is not.
This discourse is quite interesting. To quote Ramana Maharshi, Nisagardatta Maharaj, and countless others: We can only know what we are not. We cannot know ourselves, we can only Be ourselves. Commiserating with questioner who understands it intellectually, What do I do with that information? In what way will that affect my direct experience?
I think those quotes are in relation to ‘the idea’ there is a person. There is no person but because of beliefs, it takes a shift in seeing clearly .. Consciousness knows itself and the teachings refer to ‘being yourself knowingly’ just brings attention back to oneself rather than outwards towards what look like objects, but are just perceptions. Saying there are no objects and that god doesn’t know the world is only from the perspective of separation, of which there is actually none. God only knows itself and everything as itself ..as that is all there is ..
God knows everything or God knows nothing are two intermediate statement that gives credit to the existence of "things" besides God. So God, here, cannot be God since it would be finite. A higher level statement as Rupert stated is "God knows only itSelf".
@@calvinrakotobe5583 if for example I am the infinite and I only know myself, my body my mind, I know my body as a whole, but I can also arbitrarily divide parts of my being just for the sake of it, my arms my legs my hands my fingers, now I pinch my finger , from my finger's perspective I feel the pain as a finger, but also the whole knows of this pain and is aware of the fingers pain as I experience it too. Can this not be similar to what is happening with all the seemingly separate swlfs having seemingly separate experiences, is it not feasible that there is a higher awareness that encompasses all phenomena happening?
I get that whatever we think about the universe God or ourselves, our conception ideas and thoughts all are limited by our predicament, however hiw from that very finite mind can we be so sure what the Infinite sees or views itself or us, if we think we know what we are then as a compartmentalized aspect of that very mind surely it would know what we think we k ow about us or God, and why wouldn't it take interest in all of this happenings?
But happy to be a part of Master’s grace which keep reminding me I’m not the body, I’m not the mind. I AM. Nisargdatta Maharaj , Papaji & Ramana Maharishi.
@@TarunBhatt we are actually the souls...we are just embedded in our bodies by our Lord for a limmited period of time called life...we are infinite beings on a journey to this world for a finite/ limmited period of time...then after death we will join our beloved Lord... انا للہ و انا الیہ راجعون To God we belong & to him we shall return
Rupert has also said that we are "a dream in God's infinite mind." So taking this video into account, that dream is then not actually known or forgotten? I feel like this video hits upon a paradoxal truth that intellectually may be gotten at, but from the finite mind's perspective is not all too useful. I feel like even if we are talking about the Most High/God the Father/Prime Creator and conceive of Him purely as the empty infinite field of potentiality wherein everything occurs and from which everything stems, it would be strange to have this all happen within It without Him being involved with that in a knowing way? Otherwise, what would be the point? I feel all that happens within Him is His action and excersise in getting to know Himself through that and playing out and experientially and expansively exploring something that was only potentiality and knowing of Oneself.
(To paraphrase) the Teachings say : It knows and knows not, thus it is All-knowing. Its wisdom functions are as many as the sand grains in the Rivers of Ganges! 😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
Aatmiya BRAHMAN Be Blessed HARE KRSNA We are OF the universe We are IN the universe Infinite is all inclusive. Finite is emerging on Infinite and demerging in Infinity. Experiencing Loss of Seperation means " God Loving? No Loss of Seperation is explaining meaning Love itself 😊😊😊😊. Very respectfully 🙏 Loving 💜 One and all BRAHMAN.
Interestingly Consciousness knows ‘a thing’ by being that thing. There is no distance between the sight, seeing, and the knowing of it. So in that sense, there’s nothing Consciousness does not know because it is experiencing experiencing experiencing. Knowing knowing only knowing. In that way, Consciousness knows everything, including the ‘experience of me.’
Sometimes Rupert says that Consciousness/God is looking at its own dream/activity/movement through its apparent localised finite minds. Sometimes he says that Consciousness/God is looking at itself. Which one is it? Yes, the dream is essentially made of consciousness (the only ‘substance that is) and I appreciate that multiple metaphors can be helpful but I think that it would be helpful to clarify this as it confuses the life out of me!
If you love you then God loves you. When others love you, that is also God loving you. You can turn to God’s love but you can also turn away from it. Our choice.
Beyond the mind there is no such thing as experience. Experience is a dual state. You cannot talk of reality as an experience. Once this is understood, you will no longer look for being and becoming as separate and opposite. In reality they are one and inseparable, like roots and branches of the same tree. Both can exist only in the light of consciousness, which again, arises in the wake of the sense 'I am'. This is the primary fact. If you miss it, you miss all.
Example Pure Existence infinite and forever is all possibilities including impossibles. Thus, Spirit Realities could very well be a strong connection with Spirit (Godly) communication.
Would being aware “as” not be the same as “knowing as”? If you’re aware that you’re aware then it seems to be coherent to say you know yourself as awareness. Would that not be what God’s knowing is?
@@thetranquilview5600 I misspoke. Yes the story is understandable. But without direct experiential knowledge, it is just another story, one of many told by yet another guru. How do we know it's true, unless we know it by experience? I've been meditating regularly for 15 years. No such realizations yet. When I die, hopefully I will finally know.
In logic, equivocation is an informal fallacy resulting from the use of a particular word/expression in multiple senses within an argument. Or, for Rupert, essential foundational bedrock.
The core concept of Advaita Vedanta in Indic philosophy is this, the one who says knows it, doesn't. The one who says it can't be known as an object of experience, is in the path of knowing.
There is no physical universe - there are appearances, perceptions, points of view including thoughts feelings - there is only god or consciousness and no separation Saying god doesn’t know the world is from a perspective that there is separation and separate objects. God only knows itself and ‘everything’ is itself- there is just an ‘over looking’ but now there is clear seeing 🙌 like a lucid dream and you know who you are - that’s how I see it 🙏
So can “God” “Infinite Consciousness” See itself or know itself, if it knows itself, wouldn’t it make sense that it knows what it looks like and/ or anything that manifests “in” itself looks like itself? Its part of what makes it infinitely whole?
Its really impossible to comprehend the paradox without experiential understanding. Even then anything said is already off target. However for the sake of entertainment... Lets say your having a lucid dream with other people and a world and all the rest. Then you wake up breifly before re-entering the dream state. Now back in your dream world you are trying to convey the truth that was obvious and undeniable to the other characters in the dream, in effect to yourself.
When i think about infinite consciousness i always start from the plant life. A tree. What we normally perceive as a non sentient, not knowing, unconscious, static organism is in fact a living breathing intelligent mobile being. What it perceives and ways it's perceiving, the way it communicates with environment are a universe to itself. Yet, exactly the same consciousness runs the human body, in exactly the same way. Then there's human mind. And here, without consciousness nothing would be known. The same consciousness. Then there's God. A universal source of life, consciousness by which there can be life, interestingly doesn't mix the experiences, so it looks like, from the point of view of the tree, it doesn't know that miss so and so is having a great promotion at work. But it does know that i am ellated because i got a promotion. It does know, instinctively, a chemical change in its leaves will prevent them being eaten.. God will know what to do when it comes to life, because God loves it, just like you and i love it. Even when mind is suffering, God knows what to do about it, because god is intelligence in creation of life
@@thetranquilview5600 what i find interesting in this "game" of life, knowing that this world was born and it eventually dies, in consciousness that had no beginning and can't dissappear, there are laws by which life ufolds, laws by which seemingly inanimate matter yields to... Consciousness in which nothing is impossible, how come it also yields to those same laws... That's what bugs me
Jeez, all adult my life of 57 years Infinite Consciousness not only seems to know me but went out of it's way (or in it's way) to draw me to it and guide me in very specific, detailed ways, as it seems to do to everyone and everything else. Did I miss something? I understand the idea of levels but this seems way too abstract and doesn't match not only my experience but the experience of countless mystics.
This is the famous nāsadīya sūkta the 129th suukta of the 10th mandala of the Rigveda. The last two lines of the sukta translates to- But, after all, who knows, and who can say Whence it all came, and how creation happened? The gods themselves are later than creation, so who knows truly whence it has arisen?
Whence all creation had its origin, he, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not, he, who surveys it all from highest heaven, he knows - or maybe even he does not know.
But infinite consciousness could know a part of itself, like a human knows they have a hand. A part of the infinite may well also be infinite. There is an ordinality to infinity, yes some infinities are larger than other infinities, as shown by Cantor's diagonalisation proof that the number of reals is greater than the number of integers (both infinite but the latter is smaller which also makes intuitive sense).
I feel you are wrong in the assertion that 'God doesn't know the individual'. As we are made in His image and likeness this suggests quite clearly it is He who has made us individually and therefore has the capacity to recognise his creation as individual entities within the realm of consciousness.
So this means that God or Universal Consciousness knows nothing? Because if God is everything it means that has no awareness of itself, then God knows nothing. But since nothing can see or know God because there’s nothing outside God, does it mean that God is nothing?
@@LifesInsightIf you meditate and have practiced enough to be able to allow your awareness/conciousness to just be aware of itself and unfocused but aware of all the other objects that appear and disappear within the awareness including your mind and its thought's, you will find that your awareness is totally indifferent to those objects, it has no opinion on them, it has no knowledge of their subject it just sees them appear and disappear, it doesn't think about them and understand them it's only your ego mind which thinks further about the thoughts and has apparent knowledge on them, and it only seems like your awareness is thinking about these thoughts because you let your awareness focus on these thoughts which makes it feel like the thoughts are being made by your awareness. This silent peaceful all seeing awareness is the same infinite awareness we all have, everything is within it, it is god.
@@LifesInsight You're right, meditation isn't necessary for everyone or even anyone once they understand, but it is a tool that some of us need to use to gain insite. And as for what God is or isn't, that's a huge subject of discussion and/or debate depending on ones personal religious or spiritual beliefs and it's not a debate that I feel the need to have. My comment above is only about the concept of God as being discussed in the video. 🙏
God might be all, but He can create games. One game currently being played out in this universe is called ”Separation” in which God allows himself to forget himself so that He may know himself and concequently everyone else.
@@thetranquilview5600 If God is all powerful He will know about everything everywhere and thus not be able to evolve (which is the meaning of creation else it would be just a showpiece) since He can't learn anything new. But by separating Himself and forgetting about Himself He learns new perspectives.
@@Ancestor_Numero_Uno the understanding I have is that what you say is correct that god does not evolve, always ever present, timeless, open - and that is the experience i have.. I’m not sure if perception evolves either even though sometimes it may look that way .. maybe. It seemingly cycles .. and yes changes .. I think the calling is to give more attention to presence /consciousness rather than to perception.. or to know the perceptions as consciousness experientially.. I guess as that happens we will see what perceptions arise from that .. interesting 🙏
From what I understand God evolves and learn as does everything that is alive in His creation. He is inside everyone of us and thus gets to experience what we learn as we discover the Universe. Of course He's not a a separate entity living inside us somewhere but "at heart" everything in creation is really a monism. We just seem to have forgotten about Him and so has to relearn that all is One. @@thetranquilview5600
What is a finite mind in the first place. Does it realy exist ? What is mind ? What is ego? Do they realy exist or are they just thoughts that combined with the senses is created the ilusion of an I that exists in the body. First we need to investigate if there is such thing as a finite mind or an individual self.
Maybe the infinite has more power than us, different ways than us... Maybe it's speciality is being able to look at itself unlike us... Maybe it know itself just like others, or maybe it knows itself even better. Maybe God is absolute bc things which we and other conscious being are incapable of... That's why he's God
Why would limitless awareness buy into the illusion of limited individual self.? Why this false identification happens at all? Wit another words why would God like forget his real nature and fall into illusion?
I do not agree with Rupert here. He condradicts himself saying that God is everything but knows nothing about everything as God knows only itself. If God is everything so knowing itself is knowing everything. conclusion: God knowing itself knows EVERYTHING as God is EVERYTHING so God knows every finite mind and their experience, etc.
I agree with you, unless it is intentional. It rem9menod that question, if God is all powerful and can do anything could God ever create an object to heavy for God itself to lift?
@@phantomhawk01 Intentional decision of God not knowing if in the same "time" God is everything? Impossible. On the other hand what can we know about God who is unmanifested One. Nothing.
Finite = human. Infinite = spirit. Flesh can only be born to flesh. Spirit is born of spirit. You must be reborn again. From flesh to spirit. Then spirit can have a relationship with spirit. God is spirit. As are you. The Bible states this in John. You will not know the kingdom of God unless you are reborn again. From flesh to spirit. A spiritual awakening ❤️ ✌️ Oneness
The real question is: How does he know that? How can you know infinite consciousness knows nothing? It's a blatant contradiction. Some finite consciousness knows that infinite consciousness knows nothing about the world or you or I. Poppycock! God is omniscient. He knows absolutey everything. Rupert's god is clueless, and therefore useless. The God of the Bible knows and loves people very intimately: 13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. 15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. 16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be. Psalm 139:13-16 This flies in the face of everythimg Rupert teaches about God.
Swami Sarvipriananda has a much better explanation than this. God of the Bible is Saguna Brahman, what Rupert is talking about is Nirguna Brahman.🧡Love
Then how do you explain a beautiful grandmother dying agonisingly under her house in an earthquake? Similar occurrences happen every day and what kind of loving god is that??
Because you are still believing in the Biblical God, in your beliefs God has a form. The Universe is an Infinite Field of Energy. This Energy is the Mind of THAT that we call God. This Mind is Consciousness. Consciousness apparently fragmented itself into tiny particles or atoms or sparks of light, in order to be able to experience It's own Dream. You are a fractal, having human experiences in a vessel, a body, a character. Otherwise THAT/God wouldn't be able to experience this movie-illusion full of sim characters that only is the Dream of THAT/God.
How does Rupert knows this, because he was allowed by Consciousness to realized the truth of our origin. It is called Awakening. It took him years of meditation and a true yearning of his true Divine Nature.
@LifesInsightone need to experience at least full insight to know if there is or not greatest disappointment. The best way to know. If not experienced then it’s just in areas of imagination and thoughts
If infinite consciousness knows nothing, does it mean it has no intelligence? If it has any, how? If u ask it something, it doesn't even know what u are talking abt
Yeah. And we are nothing (to it) but we know everything (what we need), so we can say that it must be d@stroyed. It must vanish like if it never existed.
God will become finite in non-dual world becs of many finite parts... But there is another way to understand it... The universe is matter and conciousness and the until a human is alive the conciousness is linked with the matter as the brain functioning... When one dies his memories, experiences, ego and mind activities re stored in god's mind... In this way god is infinite and separate from universe as matter is not eternal neither the universe... And universe disappears and god remains at the end... Non-dual perspective cant explain how god created the universe, they would say he did not create the universe he is the universe and he does not know anything about himself that would be absurd... Humans can see their thoughts and their body parts change, grow with time.... So non-dual god would be bound by time and unaware of his own self...
Because God works in silence ...God's work is nature & nature's voice is silence......God has a deepest personal relation with each one of us ...how possible a creator be disconnect from.his beloved creations
God only knows us as himself. He/she knows everything about us and not nothing. It has separated to know everything about us and about itself. The purpose of the separation was to know thyself. So I do not agree with the concept of God not being aware of us as part of himself. In Truth God knows his Son perfectly. Now this Universe might be a simulation or projection and in that sense is illusory, but despite the fact it is, each reflection of Self inside this dream is known at every moment by the Creator of the dream. Using human perceptions to prove what God knows is irrelevant to what he truly knows.
My understanding of Ruperts concept is that if we’re asleep and dreaming of a world, all there is to that world is consciousness. The subjects and objects within it borrow their reality from the subjects mind. The knowing used by the subjects in the dream is borrowed from the dreamer and believed to be there own. However they only thing that is aware or knowing any of the contents of the dream is the dreamer. But because the dreamer is asleep, the dreamer itself is not knowing the experience directly, in order to do so it must forget itself, just as we do in dream state sleep. The dreamer is infinite consciousness obviously. For it to know the finite it has to forget it’s infinite nature or fall asleep. Through this process it creates the finite. This is because the finite cannot know the infinite directly. To summarise, the only thing knowing our experience is the pure knowing of consciousness. However it does not know it knows as it has had to forget it’s true nature in order to dream/manifest form. It’s a great concept and it explains everything in our experience and non duality overall. It is how the infinite falls asleep or forgets itself that he never explains. This part of the story is what requires the leap of faith. But I think most people are that enamoured with the concept, they miss this part! I think infinite consciousness forgetting itself is a questionable concept. Can ‘no thing’ or the unmanifested forget itself? You can go on and on with this 🤯 Lots of silly human questions that can’t be answered. It’s a lovely concept but that’s all it is. Unless someone has the answers that is 😮😂 Surely our concern is not the answers, it’s the questioner 🤷♂️ Maybe I’m just confused, but I think that’s a natural consequence after attempting to understand a description of that which can not be understood 🤷♂️ Thankfully when we abide in the truth our insatiable desire to understand that which can’t be understood, is removed. As is the person and all it’s silly questions. The fragment can not be the whole 🤷♂️
@@andc154 I do think there is a point in discussing POV in this. It can point one in the right direction. I had a friend strongly influence me in this matter so when I was drawn into a more "non dual" experience (letting go of guides, angels etc, realms whatever, although they did have their place) some conceptualization or language was helpful. Beyond that too much is how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" It cannot truly be conceptualized.
@@andc154 I agree. I do feel that in the human form we do have some limited aspect of illumination. There seems to be pattern, plan and Grace underpinning my life (Grace not as in for good or bad but as an existential reality). We would not even be discussing this if there weren't. I am not the doer. I have been thrust in certain directions that seem to have purpose, that are part of a fabric. As to its ultimate nature and how all this works I have no clue. This allows for surrender. It's gonna do what it's gonna do.
This isn’t a complete teaching. As non dual consciousness experiences itself through the duality. God knows the manifest forms, such as you and I through the finite world. It’s not a concession, it’s a reality that god has an experience of of the finite world. You are god having an experience of the finite world. You are infinite awareness knowing the world. When the actor wakes up from being king lea, it has had an experience of being king lea. It has known. Should the glass be looking out at the world and everything it sees be a manifestation or expression of the water inside it, it may not know the water. But it can have an experience of the nature of that water. God loves you, because I love you, you love you. We are god. We love this world of form. This playground that allows us to have an experience of the nature of our infinite consciousness. So the statement infinite consciousness knows nothing. Is misleading, as you are infinite consciousness knowing something. But the nature of non-duality is that in its pure form consciousness can not know anything other than itself because it is everything undifferentiated the water can not know water. However it is differentiated through this manifestation and therefore can know reflections of its nature. You are a reflection of itself nature and the awareness of which is being reflected.
I think it was sage Vasishta who said:
_“from the relative point of view God (the Absolute) is the Creator, but from the absolute point of view God has no such limiting qualities”_
This is one of the beautiful piece of explanation about ADVAITA! 🙏
This goes to the heart of most people's challenge with grasping nonduality: holding both the view of the forest and the view of a single tree at the same time.
Every time we close our eyes we see the true state empty awareness.
That which is Everything must be all knowledge too. Any attempt to define the Infinite will always place a limitation on it.
There is only one knowledge for it about itself.....that it just exists. It is existence and rest is its imagination.
Yes, but only if the attempt to define the Infinite is coming from a finite mind...
Very true comment. No ego has ever passed the gateless gate. Trying to fathom it with the mind will only keep you running around in cirlcles.
🙏 God loves us because he/she is us having a human experience
Emptiness looking outward !!
This is Golden ❤
"We cannot _know_ what we are; we cannot _be_ what we know."
Exactly 💯
God created me and you. God. That says a lot.
Thus, write me among the witnessers O God!
That I testify and bear witness that there is no god or deity or divinity but You, that none has the right to be worshiped except You, that none are worthy of praise but You, that You are the Most Great, and that You exists!
@A_SON_OF_MANlove this, I’ve experienced it too ❤️🙏🏼
This hit me also, especially the second part.
@@Aed-Adlan there is no God . Only Consciousness
Knowing ourself as oneself is samadhi. ❤
God and sing in 🌏guruvayoorappa 🤔😊
Amazingly very well described! His analogies do a great job of placing this into prospective. ❤
Well, this is the final knockout punch. The ego is not getting up. It was given a count of ten. It’s over. No going to it’s neutral corner. No taking its gloves off and taking a shower. No going home. It died in the ring. Not even carried off and given a proper burial. Because, it never even fought and died. It can’t even be called a dream. There is nobody left to remember the tale. It just never was.
Didn’t the non-existent ego write those words?
@@SolveEtCoagula93 of course it didn't, the ego is a non-existent idea. the ego cannot "do" anything
Meaningless word games. @@BLCKSQR
@@SolveEtCoagula93 Its a means of communication for those who get up in the morning and having the needs of thoughts and things being one’s chief concerns
@@angeloiodice9304So it does exist then?
Wah wah Aha wonderful Vishmaypurn Love'Beings thanks gretitude thanks ❤❤❤😮😅😅
To say that God loves us is to know that you are love. To know love as your own being. There is no separate love to shine upon you.. It's the light you are which illuminates all possibilities. You're the qeustion and answer in one.
❤ mind blowing 🤯
Then why would John Smith bother playing King Lear if he cannot know of his experience.
And from what I’ve previously understood, awareness knows awareness, that is all there is to know but it does know it.
A few in -congruencies there I feel… any answers to that anyone?
John Smith plays king Lear due to ignorance of his true being. It is because he is living in the duality of mind. Once John Smith realizes that he is infinite awareness or Consciousness or God, King Lear automatically dissolves 🙏
This person 🙏 has got ultimate wisdom or knowledge ..... according to Ancient Hindu philosophy.
brilliant! brilliant! brilliant! What God knows about itself is the same as what I know about myself.
aware emptiness what a beautiful combination of words
If the infinite is God, yet cannot be aware of the finite how then did the infinite create the finite? Wouldn't it need to be 'aware' or 'objectify' the finite?
I see what you're saying, unless God chooses to not know for whatever reason.
@@phantomhawk01 That is Course in Miracles BS. God is not aware of this Universe.
@philmason7860 I know and if thought through, it is bizarre, human centric to the extreme and is a version of the "fall from Grace" theology. There are reasons imo it did that but there is no mastering it as a literal concept because it doesn't exist. If one wishes to treat it as a present tense ongoing metaphor, then it might have some relevance. The "fall" (Garden of Eden) was a myth to represent departure from unity consciousness, not a literal event. That God would not know this happened but figure out something was not kosher so it sent its "Holy Spirit" (separate from itself???) to mediate is weird thinking.
@@phantomhawk01 I know of no mystical theology that says this. Not from great Yogis, not from Rumi or Kabir, etc. not from Native American theology, not even from Taoism.
@philmason7860 The Course was created and published from around 1966-1975 when America was 90% Christian. It had to clothe itself in a highly Christian form, including a semblance of "fall theology" in order to inverts and subvert traditional Christian doctrine. People were not yet ready to understand God created all of this, dark and light, which is a Vedanta concept. That receptivity would come in the 90's, when channeled popular works like "Conversations With God" gave a clearer picture. "The impulse, thought, idea, consideration arose in God, what would it be like if I experienced myself as that which I am not, the illusion of separation and forgetting?"
The Course always says it points to something but is not the thing itself, which is beyond language and intellect. At some point we must leave the words and concepts and plunge in through direct experience. The Course calls these moments "Hoy Instances". I call them "Holy Immersions".
There is no separate self until there is one on a finite level that doesn’t know it’s infinite. So ego is the creation of a separate self but is a part of all that is when you sit as all that is, as infinite. Freedom.
The ego is does not exist. It’s only an illusion of separation
Ive been following Rupert for many years. But this video kind of suorised me. Im confused...if infinit conscousness cannot see or interact the finit world, how can God know the world? How can He relate or live through our being. I thought God see's and experiences the world through us...but after all, he knows nothing about the world...what???
Hanky panky much?
Exsisrence Conciousness bliss There is god Everything is god Everything in conciousness . I am in conciousness Truth is nothing but conciousness. Those who believe believe those who don’t don’t. Truth is truth
In Zen it is said that contradictions must be embraced. What seems irreconcilable from an intellectual point of view appears natural when the body-mind (shin-jin) is abandoned (datsu raku).
How does Rupert the finite mind know what the infinite mind knows about anything?
Is there a self inquiry that goes all the way back to the source of all knowing for him to know this as fact?
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Good one.
God knows everything, totally and fully, and He is the Lord and Light and Guardian over the heavens and the sun and the earth, and everything in them.
There is no finite mind - it’s all infinite and because ‘Rupert’ (infinite consciousness) knows who he is and abides as that, clarity is a result of that
How do you divide the infinite by anything and get something finite?
Infinity divided by any number is still infinity
In the analogy of the squeezed rubber ball having the tendency to return back to its original form, that "tendency" can be said to be unconditional love. The separating experience manifests a longing to return to Oneness and if it creates it in our finite being which is itself the infinite Consciousness then there is nowhere that the tendency/unconditional love is not.
A C I Miracles states we are IN error Of --- or a miscreated detour, here, therefore Pure (God) is separated making us limited to other possibilities
This discourse is quite interesting. To quote Ramana Maharshi, Nisagardatta Maharaj, and countless others: We can only know what we are not. We cannot know ourselves, we can only Be ourselves. Commiserating with questioner who understands it intellectually, What do I do with that information? In what way will that affect my direct experience?
I think those quotes are in relation to ‘the idea’ there is a person. There is no person but because of beliefs, it takes a shift in seeing clearly .. Consciousness knows itself and the teachings refer to ‘being yourself knowingly’ just brings attention back to oneself rather than outwards towards what look like objects, but are just perceptions. Saying there are no objects and that god doesn’t know the world is only from the perspective of separation, of which there is actually none. God only knows itself and everything as itself ..as that is all there is ..
She should listen to Swami Sarvipriananda’s talk on Nirguna Brahman and Saguna Brahman❤
link, please? couldnt find it using those words. thanks in advance
Infinite consciousness knows everything and is everything..it's upto the individual who cannot or can perceive it
I agree very much.
I agree too, but would this conflict with what Rupert said?
God knows everything or God knows nothing are two intermediate statement that gives credit to the existence of "things" besides God. So God, here, cannot be God since it would be finite. A higher level statement as Rupert stated is "God knows only itSelf".
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If God is everything and knows only itself so God knows everything. Simple logic.
@@calvinrakotobe5583 if for example I am the infinite and I only know myself, my body my mind, I know my body as a whole, but I can also arbitrarily divide parts of my being just for the sake of it, my arms my legs my hands my fingers, now I pinch my finger , from my finger's perspective I feel the pain as a finger, but also the whole knows of this pain and is aware of the fingers pain as I experience it too. Can this not be similar to what is happening with all the seemingly separate swlfs having seemingly separate experiences, is it not feasible that there is a higher awareness that encompasses all phenomena happening?
I get that whatever we think about the universe God or ourselves, our conception ideas and thoughts all are limited by our predicament, however hiw from that very finite mind can we be so sure what the Infinite sees or views itself or us, if we think we know what we are then as a compartmentalized aspect of that very mind surely it would know what we think we k ow about us or God, and why wouldn't it take interest in all of this happenings?
Consciousness is everything, so it must know all.
Do you all feel happiness and love in daily basis
Nope!
But happy to be a part of Master’s grace which keep reminding me I’m not the body, I’m not the mind. I AM.
Nisargdatta Maharaj , Papaji & Ramana Maharishi.
@@TarunBhatt
we are actually the souls...we are just embedded in our bodies by our Lord for a limmited period of time called life...we are infinite beings on a journey to this world for a finite/ limmited period of time...then after death we will join our beloved Lord...
انا للہ و انا الیہ راجعون
To God we belong & to him we shall return
@@ZeeshanAkram1976there is no person like God sitting in heaven from infinite time .
Increasing peace and happiness!
Rupert has also said that we are "a dream in God's infinite mind." So taking this video into account, that dream is then not actually known or forgotten? I feel like this video hits upon a paradoxal truth that intellectually may be gotten at, but from the finite mind's perspective is not all too useful.
I feel like even if we are talking about the Most High/God the Father/Prime Creator and conceive of Him purely as the empty infinite field of potentiality wherein everything occurs and from which everything stems, it would be strange to have this all happen within It without Him being involved with that in a knowing way? Otherwise, what would be the point? I feel all that happens within Him is His action and excersise in getting to know Himself through that and playing out and experientially and expansively exploring something that was only potentiality and knowing of Oneself.
"Não sei o que é conhecer-me. Não vejo para dentro. Não acredito que eu exista por detrás de mim." -Fernando Pessoa
... and what about Knowledge by Identity ? & the Feedback by the Lilght of the Subject - the Only One Heart of Ananda ? ...🌟☮😘
(To paraphrase) the Teachings say :
It knows and knows not, thus it is All-knowing. Its wisdom functions are as many as the sand grains in the Rivers of Ganges! 😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
When Rupert says “God doesnt love us, is he talking about the difference between “you are loved” and “you are love”?
Aatmiya BRAHMAN
Be Blessed
HARE KRSNA
We are OF the universe
We are IN the universe
Infinite is all inclusive.
Finite is emerging on Infinite and demerging in Infinity.
Experiencing Loss of Seperation means " God Loving?
No Loss of Seperation is explaining meaning Love itself 😊😊😊😊.
Very respectfully 🙏 Loving 💜 One and all BRAHMAN.
We’re getting somewhere!
And yet we have always been there.
What a life!
Interestingly Consciousness knows ‘a thing’ by being that thing. There is no distance between the sight, seeing, and the knowing of it. So in that sense, there’s nothing Consciousness does not know because it is experiencing experiencing experiencing. Knowing knowing only knowing. In that way, Consciousness knows everything, including the ‘experience of me.’
Infinite Consciousness is Omniscient and is beyond the everything and the nothing..
Sometimes Rupert says that Consciousness/God is looking at its own dream/activity/movement through its apparent localised finite minds. Sometimes he says that Consciousness/God is looking at itself. Which one is it? Yes, the dream is essentially made of consciousness (the only ‘substance that is) and I appreciate that multiple metaphors can be helpful but I think that it would be helpful to clarify this as it confuses the life out of me!
And this is why we exist, so that infinite consciousness may step outside itself to know itself, says Rupert next, I suppose.
John Smith can’t see the face of King Lear because both are the same being.
Exactly! And John Smith may put aside King Lear and become Hamlet. King Lear may only be King Lear. ❤
The free e-book links don’t work unfortunately. Brings up and errors
Thank you. 💝
I get it.🎉
When we separated our separate self made up a God to help us .
There isn’t any separation - just beliefs and perceptions
If you take something away from the All, it loses its Allness.
I say this because you can take away from Infinity and still have it being infinite.
If you love you then God loves you. When others love you, that is also God loving you. You can turn to God’s love but you can also turn away from it. Our choice.
Beyond the mind there is no such thing as experience. Experience is a dual state. You cannot talk of reality as an experience. Once this is understood, you will no longer look for being and becoming as separate and opposite. In reality they are one and inseparable, like roots and branches of the same tree. Both can exist only in the light of consciousness, which again, arises in the wake of the sense 'I am'. This is the primary fact. If you miss it, you miss all.
Example Pure Existence infinite and forever is all possibilities including impossibles. Thus, Spirit Realities could very well be a strong connection with Spirit (Godly) communication.
Would being aware “as” not be the same as “knowing as”? If you’re aware that you’re aware then it seems to be coherent to say you know yourself as awareness. Would that not be what God’s knowing is?
Will we all understand the Truth when we die?
It’s understandable now
@@thetranquilview5600 I misspoke. Yes the story is understandable. But without direct experiential knowledge, it is just another story, one of many told by yet another guru. How do we know it's true, unless we know it by experience? I've been meditating regularly for 15 years. No such realizations yet. When I die, hopefully I will finally know.
Is this like the story of the two fish where one turns to the other and says "What's water?"
In logic, equivocation is an informal fallacy resulting from the use of a particular word/expression in multiple senses within an argument. Or, for Rupert, essential foundational bedrock.
The core concept of Advaita Vedanta in Indic philosophy is this, the one who says knows it, doesn't. The one who says it can't be known as an object of experience, is in the path of knowing.
How can God create this universe , but not no it exists?
@philmason7860 thanks for your response.
There is no physical universe - there are appearances, perceptions, points of view including thoughts feelings - there is only god or consciousness and no separation
Saying god doesn’t know the world is from a perspective that there is separation and separate objects. God only knows itself and ‘everything’ is itself- there is just an ‘over looking’ but now there is clear seeing 🙌 like a lucid dream and you know who you are - that’s how I see it 🙏
So can “God” “Infinite Consciousness” See itself or know itself, if it knows itself, wouldn’t it make sense that it knows what it looks like and/ or anything that manifests “in” itself looks like itself? Its part of what makes it infinitely whole?
Yes infinite consciousness knows itself - spot on
Its really impossible to comprehend the paradox without experiential understanding. Even then anything said is already off target. However for the sake of entertainment...
Lets say your having a lucid dream with other people and a world and all the rest. Then you wake up breifly before re-entering the dream state. Now back in your dream world you are trying to convey the truth that was obvious and undeniable to the other characters in the dream, in effect to yourself.
When i think about infinite consciousness i always start from the plant life. A tree. What we normally perceive as a non sentient, not knowing, unconscious, static organism is in fact a living breathing intelligent mobile being. What it perceives and ways it's perceiving, the way it communicates with environment are a universe to itself. Yet, exactly the same consciousness runs the human body, in exactly the same way. Then there's human mind. And here, without consciousness nothing would be known. The same consciousness. Then there's God. A universal source of life, consciousness by which there can be life, interestingly doesn't mix the experiences, so it looks like, from the point of view of the tree, it doesn't know that miss so and so is having a great promotion at work. But it does know that i am ellated because i got a promotion. It does know, instinctively, a chemical change in its leaves will prevent them being eaten.. God will know what to do when it comes to life, because God loves it, just like you and i love it. Even when mind is suffering, God knows what to do about it, because god is intelligence in creation of life
Remember only consciousness is conscious .. there is only consciousness aka god 😊
@@thetranquilview5600 what i find interesting in this "game" of life, knowing that this world was born and it eventually dies, in consciousness that had no beginning and can't dissappear, there are laws by which life ufolds, laws by which seemingly inanimate matter yields to... Consciousness in which nothing is impossible, how come it also yields to those same laws... That's what bugs me
Can we replace the word "GOD" in place of the word "CONSCIOUSNESS "?
Yes you can
You just said we can't know what we are but then at the end u said finite mind is only known by itself.
Jeez, all adult my life of 57 years Infinite Consciousness not only seems to know me but went out of it's way (or in it's way) to draw me to it and guide me in very specific, detailed ways, as it seems to do to everyone and everything else. Did I miss something? I understand the idea of levels but this seems way too abstract and doesn't match not only my experience but the experience of countless mystics.
So how can we know that we cant know?
This is the famous nāsadīya sūkta the 129th suukta of the 10th mandala
of the Rigveda.
The last two lines of the sukta translates to-
But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
The gods themselves are later than creation,
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?
Whence all creation had its origin,
he, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
he, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows - or maybe even he does not know.
But infinite consciousness could know a part of itself, like a human knows they have a hand. A part of the infinite may well also be infinite. There is an ordinality to infinity, yes some infinities are larger than other infinities, as shown by Cantor's diagonalisation proof that the number of reals is greater than the number of integers (both infinite but the latter is smaller which also makes intuitive sense).
Can I know a single cell in my body? Who is the I who wants to know?
I feel you are wrong in the assertion that 'God doesn't know the individual'. As we are made in His image and likeness this suggests quite clearly it is He who has made us individually and therefore has the capacity to recognise his creation as individual entities within the realm of consciousness.
So this means that God or Universal Consciousness knows nothing? Because if God is everything it means that has no awareness of itself, then God knows nothing. But since nothing can see or know God because there’s nothing outside God, does it mean that God is nothing?
@@LifesInsightIf you meditate and have practiced enough to be able to allow your awareness/conciousness to just be aware of itself and unfocused but aware of all the other objects that appear and disappear within the awareness including your mind and its thought's, you will find that your awareness is totally indifferent to those objects, it has no opinion on them, it has no knowledge of their subject it just sees them appear and disappear, it doesn't think about them and understand them it's only your ego mind which thinks further about the thoughts and has apparent knowledge on them, and it only seems like your awareness is thinking about these thoughts because you let your awareness focus on these thoughts which makes it feel like the thoughts are being made by your awareness. This silent peaceful all seeing awareness is the same infinite awareness we all have, everything is within it, it is god.
@@LifesInsight You're right, meditation isn't necessary for everyone or even anyone once they understand, but it is a tool that some of us need to use to gain insite. And as for what God is or isn't, that's a huge subject of discussion and/or debate depending on ones personal religious or spiritual beliefs and it's not a debate that I feel the need to have. My comment above is only about the concept of God as being discussed in the video. 🙏
God Lives.
God might be all, but He can create games. One game currently being played out in this universe is called ”Separation” in which God allows himself to forget himself so that He may know himself and concequently everyone else.
God doesn’t need anything to know itself - because of where the attention goes there has been an overlooking which is now being rectified
@@thetranquilview5600 If God is all powerful He will know about everything everywhere and thus not be able to evolve (which is the meaning of creation else it would be just a showpiece) since He can't learn anything new. But by separating Himself and forgetting about Himself He learns new perspectives.
@@Ancestor_Numero_Uno the understanding I have is that what you say is correct that god does not evolve, always ever present, timeless, open - and that is the experience i have.. I’m not sure if perception evolves either even though sometimes it may look that way .. maybe. It seemingly cycles .. and yes changes .. I think the calling is to give more attention to presence /consciousness rather than to perception.. or to know the perceptions as consciousness experientially.. I guess as that happens we will see what perceptions arise from that .. interesting 🙏
From what I understand God evolves and learn as does everything that is alive in His creation.
He is inside everyone of us and thus gets to experience what we learn as we discover the Universe. Of course He's not a a separate entity living inside us somewhere but "at heart" everything in creation is really a monism.
We just seem to have forgotten about Him and so has to relearn that all is One.
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What is a finite mind in the first place. Does it realy exist ? What is mind ? What is ego? Do they realy exist or are they just thoughts that combined with the senses is created the ilusion of an I that exists in the body. First we need to investigate if there is such thing as a finite mind or an individual self.
The difference between ajata and drsti srsti
Maybe the infinite has more power than us, different ways than us... Maybe it's speciality is being able to look at itself unlike us... Maybe it know itself just like others, or maybe it knows itself even better. Maybe God is absolute bc things which we and other conscious being are incapable of... That's why he's God
Why would limitless awareness buy into the illusion of limited individual self.? Why this false identification happens at all? Wit another words why would God like forget his real nature and fall into illusion?
I do not agree with Rupert here. He condradicts himself saying that God is everything but knows nothing about everything as God knows only itself. If God is everything so knowing itself is knowing everything. conclusion: God knowing itself knows EVERYTHING as God is EVERYTHING so God knows every finite mind and their experience, etc.
I agree with you, unless it is intentional.
It rem9menod that question, if God is all powerful and can do anything could God ever create an object to heavy for God itself to lift?
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Intentional decision of God not knowing if in the same "time" God is everything? Impossible. On the other hand what can we know about God who is unmanifested One. Nothing.
@@yarik6591 correct I wouldn't assume anything is impossible for God.
Finite = human.
Infinite = spirit.
Flesh can only be born to flesh.
Spirit is born of spirit.
You must be reborn again.
From flesh to spirit.
Then spirit can have a relationship with spirit.
God is spirit. As are you.
The Bible states this in John.
You will not know the kingdom of God unless you are reborn again.
From flesh to spirit.
A spiritual awakening ❤️ ✌️ Oneness
I don't know, I know nothing !
The real question is: How does he know that? How can you know infinite consciousness knows nothing? It's a blatant contradiction. Some finite consciousness knows that infinite consciousness knows nothing about the world or you or I. Poppycock! God is omniscient. He knows absolutey everything. Rupert's god is clueless, and therefore useless. The God of the Bible knows and loves people very intimately:
13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place,
when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed body;
all the days ordained for me were written in your book
before one of them came to be.
Psalm 139:13-16
This flies in the face of everythimg Rupert teaches about God.
Swami Sarvipriananda has a much better explanation than this. God of the Bible is Saguna Brahman, what Rupert is talking about is Nirguna Brahman.🧡Love
It takes real interest and contemplation to see and understand why infinite consciousness knows nothing the way a human being knows
Then how do you explain a beautiful grandmother dying agonisingly under her house in an earthquake? Similar occurrences happen every day and what kind of loving god is that??
Because you are still believing in the Biblical God, in your beliefs God has a form.
The Universe is an Infinite Field of Energy.
This Energy is the Mind of THAT that we call God.
This Mind is Consciousness.
Consciousness apparently fragmented itself into tiny particles or atoms or sparks of light, in order to be able to experience It's own Dream.
You are a fractal, having human experiences in a vessel, a body, a character.
Otherwise THAT/God wouldn't be able to experience this movie-illusion full of sim characters that only is the Dream of THAT/God.
How does Rupert knows this, because he was allowed by Consciousness to realized the truth of our origin.
It is called Awakening.
It took him years of meditation and a true yearning of his true Divine Nature.
Yes, it’s the most terrifying thing can be experienced. Absolut doesn’t even know about me, me here have no meaning at all
@LifesInsight didn’t it terrify or totally disappoint you?
@LifesInsight not at all. „Greatest dissapointment” one Tibetan Buddhism master once said.
@LifesInsightone need to experience at least full insight to know if there is or not greatest disappointment. The best way to know. If not experienced then it’s just in areas of imagination and thoughts
And you toch a word, consciousness sacrifice itself completely to the illusion.and thats you,
If infinite consciousness knows nothing, does it mean it has no intelligence? If it has any, how? If u ask it something, it doesn't even know what u are talking abt
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Yeah.
And we are nothing
(to it)
but we know everything
(what we need),
so we can say
that it must be
d@stroyed.
It must vanish
like if it never
existed.
God will become finite in non-dual world becs of many finite parts...
But there is another way to understand it... The universe is matter and conciousness and the until a human is alive the conciousness is linked with the matter as the brain functioning...
When one dies his memories, experiences, ego and mind activities re stored in god's mind...
In this way god is infinite and separate from universe as matter is not eternal neither the universe...
And universe disappears and god remains at the end...
Non-dual perspective cant explain how god created the universe, they would say he did not create the universe he is the universe and he does not know anything about himself that would be absurd...
Humans can see their thoughts and their body parts change, grow with time.... So non-dual god would be bound by time and unaware of his own self...
Of course the universe isn't real- where would they put it? 😅
There is no universal consciousness... there is only universal silence...
Because God works in silence ...God's work is nature & nature's voice is silence......God has a deepest personal relation with each one of us ...how possible a creator be disconnect from.his beloved creations
Then who needed to break that silence and imagined or created a universe ⁉️ Who was not content with that infinite blackness and silence ⁉️
‘Universal’ is a concept of the mind which is part of the consciousness which is manifest of being in the world.
@@ZeeshanAkram1976 there is no Creator. Soul is never be created and it can never be destroyed, it just exists.
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fully agreed that soul can never be destroyed....but there is a creator who created soul
God only knows us as himself. He/she knows everything about us and not nothing. It has separated to know everything about us and about itself. The purpose of the separation was to know thyself. So I do not agree with the concept of God not being aware of us as part of himself. In Truth God knows his Son perfectly. Now this Universe might be a simulation or projection and in that sense is illusory, but despite the fact it is, each reflection of Self inside this dream is known at every moment by the Creator of the dream. Using human perceptions to prove what God knows is irrelevant to what he truly knows.
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My understanding of Ruperts concept is that if we’re asleep and dreaming of a world, all there is to that world is consciousness. The subjects and objects within it borrow their reality from the subjects mind.
The knowing used by the subjects in the dream is borrowed from the dreamer and believed to be there own.
However they only thing that is aware or knowing any of the contents of the dream is the dreamer.
But because the dreamer is asleep, the dreamer itself is not knowing the experience directly, in order to do so it must forget itself, just as we do in dream state sleep.
The dreamer is infinite consciousness obviously.
For it to know the finite it has to forget it’s infinite nature or fall asleep. Through this process it creates the finite. This is because the finite cannot know the infinite directly.
To summarise, the only thing knowing our experience is the pure knowing of consciousness. However it does not know it knows as it has had to forget it’s true nature in order to dream/manifest form.
It’s a great concept and it explains everything in our experience and non duality overall.
It is how the infinite falls asleep or forgets itself that he never explains.
This part of the story is what requires the leap of faith. But I think most people are that enamoured with the concept, they miss this part!
I think infinite consciousness forgetting itself is a questionable concept.
Can ‘no thing’ or the unmanifested forget itself?
You can go on and on with this 🤯
Lots of silly human questions that can’t be answered.
It’s a lovely concept but that’s all it is.
Unless someone has the answers that is 😮😂
Surely our concern is not the answers, it’s the questioner 🤷♂️
Maybe I’m just confused, but I think that’s a natural consequence after attempting to understand a description of that which can not be understood 🤷♂️
Thankfully when we abide in the truth our insatiable desire to understand that which can’t be understood, is removed. As is the person and all it’s silly questions.
The fragment can not be the whole 🤷♂️
I and others thought this as well.
@@andc154 I do think there is a point in discussing POV in this. It can point one in the right direction. I had a friend strongly influence me in this matter so when I was drawn into a more "non dual" experience (letting go of guides, angels etc, realms whatever, although they did have their place) some conceptualization or language was helpful.
Beyond that too much is how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" It cannot truly be conceptualized.
@@andc154 I agree. I do feel that in the human form we do have some limited aspect of illumination. There seems to be pattern, plan and Grace underpinning my life (Grace not as in for good or bad but as an existential reality). We would not even be discussing this if there weren't.
I am not the doer. I have been thrust in certain directions that seem to have purpose, that are part of a fabric. As to its ultimate nature and how all this works I have no clue. This allows for surrender. It's gonna do what it's gonna do.
@@andc154 You are right. People get really stuck in thoughts and thought systems.
One thing we / & Rupert may be missing is this isn't the only Universe (reality) to Truth. Higher dimensions, I'm certain, can reveal Higher Truth.
FUCK that hoodies FIRE bro
sure ..thing is..that the first distortion is free will , only you can decide what you are .. king lear is entitled to his own delusion ..
These ARE only suppositions.
Nobody knows what God is or even How He behaves, aacts, etc
This isn’t a complete teaching. As non dual consciousness experiences itself through the duality. God knows the manifest forms, such as you and I through the finite world. It’s not a concession, it’s a reality that god has an experience of of the finite world. You are god having an experience of the finite world. You are infinite awareness knowing the world. When the actor wakes up from being king lea, it has had an experience of being king lea. It has known. Should the glass be looking out at the world and everything it sees be a manifestation or expression of the water inside it, it may not know the water. But it can have an experience of the nature of that water.
God loves you, because I love you, you love you. We are god. We love this world of form. This playground that allows us to have an experience of the nature of our infinite consciousness.
So the statement infinite consciousness knows nothing. Is misleading, as you are infinite consciousness knowing something. But the nature of non-duality is that in its pure form consciousness can not know anything other than itself because it is everything undifferentiated the water can not know water.
However it is differentiated through this manifestation and therefore can know reflections of its nature. You are a reflection of itself nature and the awareness of which is being reflected.
The God illusion is the antitode to the ego-illusion.
What Rupert calls “love of God” in this video sounds a lot like Stockholm Syndrome
This one I don't like ....the creator God knows everything and nothing happens without His will