BLAZING Fast 3 Piece Headers & Stop Block Secrets

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  • Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
  • In this video we cover one of my favorite door and window header details. I'll show you how I tackle this detail, some nuances to make it really nice, and some key techniques to get really productive with this window/door detail.
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  • @Bigelite094
    @Bigelite094 4 года назад +21

    You should seriously do a comprehensive video on your mentors. I would love to hear about who taught you and how they went about teaching and how you grasped the wisdom passed along to you. I learned under a 63 ish year old carpenter who wants to retire now, I owe a lot to him. He use to say things like "I'm gonna make a carpenter out of you even if it kills me."

  • @sprintspirit8457
    @sprintspirit8457 4 года назад +16

    Window sill is outside. The inside is called the stool. Love all your videos! I have learned a ton.

  • @fratelliremodel
    @fratelliremodel Год назад +3

    For a guy that highly values his time and is obviously constantly thinking of ways to be more efficient, I hope making these videos makes you lots of money. These videos have helped me tremendously. I always try to buy as many tools through your links as possible. Thank you for your hard work.

  • @MrJcray
    @MrJcray 4 года назад +20

    I’ve been a carpenter for 21 years and I can watch you work all day!

    • @stevebengel1346
      @stevebengel1346 4 года назад +4

      Hell, I've been one for 35+ years and still enjoy watching!

    • @MrJcray
      @MrJcray 4 года назад

      The kid is great!

  • @jjjlarson28
    @jjjlarson28 3 года назад +7

    I know it’s a lot of extra work to make the videos. I enjoy them and I like your easy explanation and humility.

  • @kevinlemay4924
    @kevinlemay4924 4 года назад +21

    You're a legend and an inspiration. Thanks for taking the time to film and edit these videos! Looking forward to the next one!

  • @sundog8772
    @sundog8772 3 года назад +2

    I really appreciate your business approach to the trade; the devil’s in the details and your stop block is a wonderful example of the value of the compound effect and the cash that comes flowing in. Superb mate skillset mate!

  • @garettcriddle9580
    @garettcriddle9580 4 года назад +10

    Glad to see your OCD like me when it comes to routers and everything having eased edges!! Most production carpenters cut out those steps because time is money! For me it’s well worth the time to set yourself apart and keep QUALITY the key!
    Keep up the good work!!

    • @jeffshackleford3152
      @jeffshackleford3152 4 года назад +2

      I make more money per foot working for more professional builders when I do stuff like that... screw working for low end builders

  • @howardlaunius7484
    @howardlaunius7484 4 года назад +5

    Craftsman style trip is one of my favorites. Thanks for some great tips on cutting and install.

  • @danjones442
    @danjones442 4 года назад +2

    You sir have an abundance of wisdom to share and a gift from the lord to teach! Love watching you brother!

  • @espnmk
    @espnmk Год назад +2

    just love coming back to your great instructional video's thanks for sharing the tips and tricks

  • @roybull6740
    @roybull6740 4 года назад +3

    What a pleasure it is to see a Professional high quality tradesman at work. Things seem so much easier when you know how to do it properly. Thank you for sharing your trade secrets to all RUclips viewers, keep up your good work, your instruction videos are great to watch especially when you see the end result. Avid viewer from Melbourne Australia.

  • @zephyr1408
    @zephyr1408 4 года назад +4

    Just that stop block & skipping the 1/4” offset at the header is a huge! I mean huge time savings!
    Amazing what experience and a boat load of work combined together does for a guy!
    Oh! And a couple hungry kids!
    Thanks Spencer as always!
    God Bless ! Keep shooting straight; don’t go anywhere without your heater, shootin Iron, or Lead mail!
    Only need it once & not have her!

  • @lougjolaj7839
    @lougjolaj7839 4 года назад +1

    You should have your own TV Show you are the best carpenter 👏🏻👏🏻💪

  • @izenizen5532
    @izenizen5532 Год назад +2

    It would be great to see the project once painted!!!!
    Nice work

  • @monkeygraborange
    @monkeygraborange 4 года назад +5

    "Shameless self promotion?"
    You're joking, right?
    You ARE the man!

  • @1painter4hire
    @1painter4hire 4 года назад +2

    This is a skillset that Everyone Does Not Have, Including Me. Nice Work Sir, Thanks for Your Time.

  • @rogerhodges9721
    @rogerhodges9721 4 года назад +11

    I have always used a tape and stop system with my miter saw. It is such a timesaver and increases accuracy and consistency so much that I don't understand why anyone would not build their system without stop blocks. Your addition of the adjustable stops take it to another level and is amazing! Kudos!

  • @joshbleazard8991
    @joshbleazard8991 4 года назад +3

    Your videos are great. The attention to detail is very helpful and satisfying.

  • @aonghusofaolain8686
    @aonghusofaolain8686 3 года назад +1

    I can't thumbs up these videos enough

  • @jesserhodes7430
    @jesserhodes7430 4 года назад +4

    always appreciate you sharing your knowledge. you are a true craftsman sir, a cut above the rest.

  • @kylewyenberg7292
    @kylewyenberg7292 5 месяцев назад

    Thanks Spencer, my trim game is getting better each job I do. Cheers

  • @ethanboggio3314
    @ethanboggio3314 4 года назад +6

    5:30 it's actually called a stool and apron. Awesome video bro!

  • @markevans7584
    @markevans7584 4 года назад +5

    Thank you for sharing your experience, you're a true craftsman

  • @AlAmantea
    @AlAmantea 4 года назад +2

    Going to 5/8 on both the parting bead and the top cap seems like that would be a huge time saver, especially with your fence setup! I've given a lot of consideration to going with the fastcap best fence system. I really like your setup! Can't wait to see a video on how you built it. Especially the stop block!!! Thanks for the tips, Spencer! Always a pleasure watching your feed!

  • @scottlarsen1855
    @scottlarsen1855 4 года назад +2

    What a talent you have developed. Super awesome channell

  • @jefferyholland
    @jefferyholland 4 года назад +3

    Always nice to see the process other guys use. I have used a radi-plane for the small radius eased edge instead of the router. Works great on the long edges but a little tough on end grain. Nice job, love your saw station.

  • @rodcormier7428
    @rodcormier7428 4 года назад +1

    Thx for the video .... enjoying your tips .... always good to see what other highly skilled carpenters as yourself is doing

  • @dsdragoon
    @dsdragoon 4 года назад +2

    Love your miter saw stop block!

  • @AnthonyBroady
    @AnthonyBroady 4 года назад

    Learning so much. Thanks for all your time and inspiration.

  • @dokmanian
    @dokmanian 4 года назад +1

    very impressed on the quality of work you do and how easy you make it great info

  • @michaelc.3812
    @michaelc.3812 3 года назад +2

    You do great work, thank you.

  • @OldIronShops
    @OldIronShops 4 года назад +1

    I'd love to see a dedicated video on your stop block setup and how it's made and used.

  • @scottsog7635
    @scottsog7635 4 года назад +1

    Great video, Spencer 👌🏻

  • @garytrahan4530
    @garytrahan4530 Год назад +1

    Thanks for the tips. I will be making me a jig for my miter saw.

  • @Denzor-vd6nu
    @Denzor-vd6nu Год назад +1

    Awesome, as usual.. Great tips and procedures and all so well explained. Well Done!

  • @shannonvaughan4385
    @shannonvaughan4385 3 года назад +1

    Looks good. Thanks for the tips.

  • @timdyer7692
    @timdyer7692 4 года назад +1

    Nice efficient job! Great tips too.

  • @robwright3064
    @robwright3064 4 года назад +1

    Really like that trim setup and your attention to detail. Wish we would have chosen that profile along the top and sill.

  • @francisbarnett
    @francisbarnett 4 года назад +1

    Great channel, good detail

  • @bradshaw448
    @bradshaw448 2 года назад +1

    Stop block is crazy handy 🦾 great vid again

  • @dmlvsccfamful
    @dmlvsccfamful 4 года назад +1

    Genius and artist

  • @mead6754
    @mead6754 4 года назад

    beautiful craftmanship

  • @allenguffey9370
    @allenguffey9370 Год назад

    We all do things a little different the end result is what matters with finish work and you are a craftsman great job as always love the videos been doing this type of work a long time and still love seeing new ways thanks

  • @19RoCo74
    @19RoCo74 2 года назад +1

    Exelent set up dude. Great Content!

  • @billyreuben7413
    @billyreuben7413 3 года назад +2

    Very informative !!!

  • @T.E.P.
    @T.E.P. 4 года назад +1

    great vid ... super great methods ya figured out great job

  • @jtltet
    @jtltet 4 года назад +3

    The rounded edges you do look nice but personally I like the look of square edges so that's what I did in my house. I like your stop block idea too so I may have to make one like it.

    • @thomasdickson35
      @thomasdickson35 Год назад +1

      The functional benefits of eased edges is that they hold up to abuse better and if the corner is sharp, the coating has a difficult time bonding to itself, which can cause failure.

  • @timking1050
    @timking1050 9 месяцев назад +1

    Good solid stuff

  • @kenvanness2828
    @kenvanness2828 4 года назад +1

    Great job as always. I would love to do some of that craftsman style. I have one builder that uses corner blocks and 1x4. The other uses 3-1/4" colonial casing mitered.

  • @bigbee714
    @bigbee714 3 года назад

    great work, thanks

  • @thomashouseworth7713
    @thomashouseworth7713 4 года назад +4

    the bullet molding is also called a parting bead

  • @paulnaismith4078
    @paulnaismith4078 3 года назад +1

    Great tutorial

  • @hillbilly59apache59
    @hillbilly59apache59 3 года назад +1

    Thanks 👍👍

  • @Gabriellariz
    @Gabriellariz 2 года назад +1

    You are a beast, kindly take it as a compliment.

  • @arturskobodzinski6929
    @arturskobodzinski6929 4 года назад +1

    Great videos

  • @jamescampi50
    @jamescampi50 4 года назад

    Good stuff.

  • @junehess501
    @junehess501 2 года назад +1

    You’re so smart! “Idiot proof”- that is just what I need lol. I’m searching for a new tape measure that helps to take my idiocy out of the equation. My eyesight isn’t the greatest so may have to bring out the magnifying glass :-) I’ve been wanting to put this style trim around my doors and this is great information. You rock. Def a fan!

  • @ginoasci2876
    @ginoasci2876 3 года назад +2

    considering you like batch cutting to save time i’m surprised you do not build the header casing on the bench. by building then on the bench you can be sure that all the reveals are all the same, and the only difference between piece by piece installation and batch building are the nails in the casing legs you mentioned.
    something i always wondered why the finish carpentry standard is to install all the trim then paint it.
    i find that painting, then installing results in a very crisp line between the walls and casing.
    two finished products coming together but have a distinct and fine line separating them.
    maybe it’s a time line situation due to dead lines, i don’t know.i feel the same about hardwood flooring.
    first the floor, then the baseboards and trim.
    having to but the flooring against the baseboard is challenging on every piece, while cutting the flooring a 1/2” short and rapidly installing it, then setting the baseboard over that, again, will result in a very fine line between the two.
    i’ve done this many times and it looks amazing.
    the nail holes have to be filled and painted anyway. just my two cents worth.
    i like that super top secret mitersaw stop you have there.
    i like your videos, and will continue to watch and learn.
    cheers!

  • @black99vett
    @black99vett 4 года назад

    Thanks for the tips and I like the stop block and miter saw setup. Thumbs up on the channel icon. Peace brother.

  • @dustindegrand5735
    @dustindegrand5735 4 года назад

    I just did my first house with the craftsman style. Unfortunately everything was square edge. No eased edges. I realized there is definitely a lot more cuts, and labor involved. The key would definitely be having nice miter saw wings with a stop block. I have adapted a lot of my process from watching your videos. Batch cutting, and saving footsteps are 2 things that have made a huge difference in my day.
    Great videos! Keep them coming!

  • @bernardhernandez2396
    @bernardhernandez2396 3 года назад

    Really nice id like to do this to my house again what guage nails did you use ? Plus in my area i cant find receased backing for the sides is that ok?

  • @ryanengland6054
    @ryanengland6054 4 года назад +12

    Omg i feel like an idiot ive never thought to just route the edges on my return on my bullet trim. I've always cut returns so much faster & simple. Guess I've just been stuck in the way I've been taught thanks for the tip

    • @tomruth9487
      @tomruth9487 4 года назад +3

      Well there is a little more sanding and priming for the painter however. So not a complete win, win.

    • @gregorylondos534
      @gregorylondos534 4 года назад +8

      By routing the edge you are leaving an open end grain which in some cases would not take paint the same way as using a return. But I see the production side of it... Good job...

    • @tomruth9487
      @tomruth9487 4 года назад +2

      @@gregorylondos534 , Very true. I might sand it and hit it with a can of primer if I was the one doing the painting, or wanted to speed up the process for the painter. Then again, not sure if I would use finger jointed stock, especially if it was a high end house.

    • @carlcox7332
      @carlcox7332 3 года назад

      @@gregorylondos534 one solution I found for sealing the endgrain is when I'm caulking I just rub a thin coat over the grain and rub the majority off with my damp sponge. It takes primer and paint just as well as the rest

  • @lrc87290
    @lrc87290 4 года назад +21

    Stool. Sill is on the outside.

    • @shannonvaughan4385
      @shannonvaughan4385 3 года назад +1

      That's what I was trying to think of. Window stool. I couldn't remember. Thanks for the reminder

  • @briansmith1514
    @briansmith1514 4 года назад +3

    Maybe make a template with 2 notches for the 2 caps and lay next to trim to make sure your layout for the header/footer hits the same each time. Less measuring during install. Faster than your gauge block and only have to do one side.

  • @scottwilson4347
    @scottwilson4347 8 месяцев назад +3

    😂 does anyone else find themselves trying to blow the sawdust off his saw wing tape by blowing your phone..lol I’m guilty

  • @yourcarpenter1164
    @yourcarpenter1164 2 года назад

    Hey Spencer. Love all your videos ! Question- you never really mentioned what rail system you use for your stop block. The aluminum rail. Thanks

  • @RustyWrenches
    @RustyWrenches 4 года назад +1

    Great explanation. One question, why not put a little glue in between all of these pieces to help minimize gaps opening up in the winter? My current house suffered from this. I've had to replace a few of my, cough cough Anderson 400 double hungs, and when I reinstalled the casing, I glued the edges and they no longer open up in the winter. Just curious. Also, I'm in KC, how far do you travel 😆😆?

  • @jeremyfisher2767
    @jeremyfisher2767 3 года назад +1

    That stop block set up is awesome. Is that glue squeeze out on your tool pouch as well?

  • @fox156
    @fox156 Год назад +1

    Great video, surprisingly there is little info , few yt vids about how to make those those craftsman headers and that bullet piece is hard to find, not sold at the box stores. Curious no plinth blocks on your door casings? Why or why not, do you ever use them?

  • @TR-rn3pd
    @TR-rn3pd 4 года назад +1

    Another great video Spencer. Glad to see your faithful with wearing your bags. See so many back pocket speed square, Levi’s tape clipping , never know where their pencil is carpenters. Drives me mad . Where’s your bags! I can do nothing with out them. Got chewed out by my oil field roustabout neighbor for welding with bags on . Keep up the good work.

    • @InsiderCarpentry
      @InsiderCarpentry  4 года назад

      Yeah, I'm a bags on guy. I've tried pocket pants and vests but I keep going back to the bags.

    • @TR-rn3pd
      @TR-rn3pd 4 года назад

      I’ve been using the 701 vest by diamond back tools for three months and love it. You can run any style of bags on it . Im a form setter and framer . The first thing I liked no bunching on abdomen when bent over. Can haul massive loads . Might have to modify for your tailbone tape carry style.

  • @billyboy9746
    @billyboy9746 4 года назад

    What do you recommend for interior caulking?

  • @jonakers16
    @jonakers16 3 года назад

    Great work! Getting ready to trim my new house in a couple months and this is exactly what I had in mind. can you by chance provide the sizes on the casing, base, and the header pieces? thanks!! love the channel, so glad I found it! keep up the great videos!

    • @InsiderCarpentry
      @InsiderCarpentry  3 года назад

      3-1/4x3/4 casing. Base 5/8x5-1/4. Bullet trim 1-1/4 x 1/2". Header 1x6. top cap 1x2.

  • @proficientbuilders3565
    @proficientbuilders3565 4 года назад

    Agree, high build primer works great.
    I would have to advise the painter here to perform that step.

  • @steverone7623
    @steverone7623 3 года назад +2

    5:30 Tom Silva says inside “stool” outside it’s called a “sill”
    Very informative video thanks so much 🙏 stupid spell check

  • @kentoakley9409
    @kentoakley9409 4 года назад

    as always very nice video's. Question, do you ever do trim on windows with bull nose sheet rock edges? If so what sort of ways do you trim those out?

    • @ralphgutierrez4066
      @ralphgutierrez4066 4 года назад

      Hey Kent, just read your comment. In addition to Inside Carpentry, check out Finish Carpentry TV. He lives in Texas and works with a lot of bull nose sheet rock.

  • @adude7050
    @adude7050 3 года назад +1

    A 4 foot ladder is very useful you might find a small work platform better for this work. It prevents you form leaning (better range of motion) to save any possible injury t your back. It also allows you to get closer tot eh window and door easier to move around. I use a platform for most of my stuff. It has a slightly bigger foot print.

  • @alexs.665
    @alexs.665 4 года назад +1

    Great video. I'd love to see a similar one with mitered casing if you haven't done one yet.

    • @InsiderCarpentry
      @InsiderCarpentry  4 года назад

      Check my playlist. There are some videos on mitered casing.

  • @arturskobodzinski6929
    @arturskobodzinski6929 4 года назад

    Dewalt 12 inch miter saw you are using.Is the one with the laser/light and what blade do you use 80 or 100

  • @ryanmcmanus6954
    @ryanmcmanus6954 3 года назад +2

    I pre-assemble headers for 8ft ceiling, gets tight nailing top piece on doing it in place.

    • @InsiderCarpentry
      @InsiderCarpentry  3 года назад +1

      We don’t see many 8’ ceiling situations in new construction anymore. Most are 9’ around here. But very valid point. I do run into that problem occasionally.

  • @micaheckenfels533
    @micaheckenfels533 3 года назад +1

    Great videos. Would you happen to know who manufactures the finger joint material you use?

    • @InsiderCarpentry
      @InsiderCarpentry  3 года назад +1

      It comes from “Koetter Woodworking”. Southern Indiana

  • @fireguy144ify
    @fireguy144ify 3 года назад +2

    I would install the legs first. Then I would definitely build the header on the bench, and install it as a whole.. for the door ways. For the windows I would build the whole thing on the bench, then install the whole thing in one piece.. assuming you take all the correct measurements

  • @tomthumb1671
    @tomthumb1671 4 года назад +1

    Loved that you showed routing the end grain cut , only thing is ,some times the end grain burns on some species of timber and you need a vary speed router , I see you use air guns have you considered the new battery ones as yet , I still prefer the air as the angles and ease of use makes it better but the new battery hikoki;s seem to be on mark , what is your opinion on them

    • @InsiderCarpentry
      @InsiderCarpentry  4 года назад

      I use dewalt. They are so so. Can’t beat the power and ease of air.

  • @BD-dr1hw
    @BD-dr1hw 3 года назад +1

    If you're adding this trim around a walkway (i.e. a doorway minus the door) would you also have some kind of trim around the interior of the opening? And then a bit of a reveal between that and the trim you're adding here? I think I'm going to use this style for a new house we're building this winter. Thanks!

    • @InsiderCarpentry
      @InsiderCarpentry  3 года назад +1

      Yes, flat jamb around the inside. We call that a cased opening.

  • @danafosburgh2775
    @danafosburgh2775 4 года назад

    Maybe ease the outside corners as well? One more router step but imho, it really ties it all together. Just a stylistic suggestion. Nothing essential. Nice work, as always!

  • @joelwilson2878
    @joelwilson2878 Год назад

    I like your wood trim and your methods. Do you know if that wood is available nationwide? I live in Orlando, Fl. You are my new favorite trim carpenter. I also follow DFW out of Texas, listed on RUclips as finish carpentry.

  • @lorbren
    @lorbren 3 года назад

    Sorry 🤭 several months late with my question -just found your channel! Love it 👍. Still wanna ask tho, do you install craftsman trim on all doors in house (bedroom, restrooms, closets, pantry, etc)?

    • @InsiderCarpentry
      @InsiderCarpentry  3 года назад

      Often we do not on the interior of closets where the trim will never be seen. Otherwise yes.

  • @mikep3813
    @mikep3813 Год назад

    Do you shoot your nails at an angle in an X pattern so the wood can't be pulled straight and separate from each other?

  • @MrJackchap
    @MrJackchap 4 года назад +1

    Nice work-do you use that jam master I see in the video?

    • @InsiderCarpentry
      @InsiderCarpentry  4 года назад

      Yes. I use it on every house. It’s not for everyone but it works well with my work flow.

  • @robertcasey7312
    @robertcasey7312 3 года назад +1

    Do you use a spacer jig for the pieces above the legs? And SIR THANK YOU! I’ve learned so much from your videos I’ve been able to transform our home Into one I otherwise couldn’t afford.
    Just saw second video. Saw the spacer. TY

    • @InsiderCarpentry
      @InsiderCarpentry  3 года назад +1

      Yes, just a simple block ripped at the offset measurement. Hold it against the casing and mark the outside with a pencil on the drywall.

    • @robertcasey7312
      @robertcasey7312 3 года назад +1

      Insider Carpentry Insider Carpentry - TY. Been a consumer of YTube for years. YT and all things Web were my life as a telecom student & teacher. Your videos are the right blend of; honesty, respect, experience, demonstrations on a granular level, and the talent and desire to teach. We’re best at grasping new unknown concepts when old known concepts connect and demonstrate the new. “Use something they know to teach them something they don’t know”. TY.

  • @ABH313
    @ABH313 4 года назад +3

    Using the palm router instead of a miter return is genius. You said you only do it for paint grade tho, is that correct? Is there a reason you don't do this for stain grade? Seems like the one piece would look nicer than the miter for staining...thanks for the video this is one of my favorite channels 👍

    • @InsiderCarpentry
      @InsiderCarpentry  4 года назад +4

      On stain grade the end grain of the wood will absorb more stain and be very dark. I have done it before. As long as everyone is ok with the darker end grain look you can definitely do it.

    • @ABH313
      @ABH313 4 года назад

      @@InsiderCarpentry oh right on, thanks for the reply 👍

  • @ssdistributingco
    @ssdistributingco 4 года назад

    Will you be following up with a video on the baseboard set up to match these casings?

    • @InsiderCarpentry
      @InsiderCarpentry  4 года назад +1

      I have a video back in my feed a bit on the same baseboard install. Its just a flat profile. Check out that video.

  • @chris-p-Bacon836
    @chris-p-Bacon836 3 года назад +1

    Looks great. Do you use the same wood for baseboard?

  • @zephyr1408
    @zephyr1408 4 года назад

    Spencer I am reading some of these questions? Did I watch the wrong video? How did u switch that on me?
    Must be some kinda secret camera trick? Amazing!

  • @MitchStPeter-kf9up
    @MitchStPeter-kf9up 3 года назад +1

    Hey Spencer.
    In this home did you do the 3 piece header on the inside of closets? Say a coat closet?
    Thanks

    • @InsiderCarpentry
      @InsiderCarpentry  3 года назад

      No. Typically we do something more simple on the closets to save costs. No reason to get carried away if no one will ever see it.

    • @MitchStPeter-kf9up
      @MitchStPeter-kf9up 3 года назад

      Thanks for the reply. Your stuff is awesome. You’re an inspiration for my future in finish work.
      How about second levels? Same idea, simpler casing?

  • @craigchute4311
    @craigchute4311 4 года назад

    I noticed that you don’t need extension jambs on your windows. Is the house framed with 2x4’s? Just curious about insulation performance. I also use this same trim detail quite a bit. Fast, simple, and looks really good. I’ve been a carpenter for 30 years, and I learn things from your videos every time I watch!
    Thanks

    • @InsiderCarpentry
      @InsiderCarpentry  4 года назад

      Thanks sir. These windows are anderson 400 series I think. And yes, 2x4 wall framing. Generally I never have to install extension jambs. Even with casement windows in 2x6 walls they are installed by the window installer, aka framer, before I get there.

  • @patrickmurray7012
    @patrickmurray7012 2 года назад

    Love your videos. Why don’t you use glue for your joints ?

  • @casycasy5199
    @casycasy5199 4 года назад +1

    make a video of the stop block

  • @CallistoAshus
    @CallistoAshus 3 года назад +1

    Why bother with returns at all if you can just router the edges like this? Thanks for the video. I ended up using this technique

  • @Mr1159pm
    @Mr1159pm 6 месяцев назад

    why are all those wood pieces from the mill engineered from different pieces of wood? Is it to prevent warping or is it just cheaper?