Significant strikes landed: Round 1: Reyes - 23; Jones - 17 Round 2: Reyes - 33; Jones - 22 Round 3: Reyes - 26; Jones - 19 Round 4: Reyes - 13; Jones - 20 Round 5: Reyes - 21; Jones - 26 Jones: Two takedowns over Reyes but did nothing with it and the longest Reyes stayed on the ground was 3 or 4 seconds. Reyes: defended seven takedowns This is starting to look like people are just focusing on protecting established fighters instead of reward talented newcomers who clearly did more to deserve the win. Very sad.
Reyes landed 45 percent of his total strikes, Jones landed 62 percent of his total strikes. They both had nearly identical shots lands but Reyes a fewer more. Dominic landed more shots then Jones but missed more than he landed.
You only covered strikes. But that's only 1 category of judging the bout. Significant strikes landed, you covered that. Aggression. All jones. Octagon control. All jones. I agree with the decision as well as the unanimous based on the way this bout is judged. I don't agree with that 1 judge that jones won 4-1 rounds. But I still agree with the decision
@Alex Cthe round he wasn't aggressive he lost and I don't think anyone disagrees with"Reyes first two and Jones last two" it's clearly the third round that is the issue and personally I give it to Jones but honestly going into the fight I didn't like Reyes and by the end of the fight before the judges score I was seriously on edge because I didn't know who won
the first 3 rounds was on reyes maybe the judges scored it. 10-9 all three round on reyes favor. and the last 2rounds maybe scored them 10-8 in favor of jones. but i dont know
@Htx457 How does it not make sense? He thought Jones won the fight and the handful of good shots he took that would knock out others impressed Rashad.....
Done what differently? He knew this was a 5 round fight and still lost the last 2, that proved joes point lol. If it was 10 he would’ve lost for sure than. What would he do take the first rounds off? That would mean he wouldn’t even have the rounds he had rn. 3rd round was a draw as well
Right, Joe's comment of if it was to the death Jon would of won but how can you say that if the action never stops for these guys to get break and advice from there corners makes a big difference in the next round so if that's the logic Jon never goes back to the corner and he never get gets advice or breaks!
They need to hire retired fighters like Chuck Liddell, Forrest griffin, Tito Ortiz, bas rutten, hell any retired fighter to judge these fights. Problem would be solved.
@@MrLakeshow11 there would be a process for selecting them. In football, if an Arab country plays against a European country, they would chose a ref from the far east or the americas to ref the match.
Host:"Had this been a 10 rd fight Jon would have decapitated Reyes" Michael Bisping: "Yea yea, but its not a 10 rd fight. Its like saying 'if they allowed guns, he would have shot him'. Guns arent allowed either buddeh. "
Compare Reyes to Gustaffson 1, and tell me in what way Gustaffson did worse. Reyes - unlike Gustaffson!!! - gave up Octagon control in Round 3, throwing as many punches as possible to get a percentage of strikes win. Simple as that. And here's something funny that people forget: Jones threw more precise strikes. Look at the figures of thrown vs landed for each fighter.
Danny Peculiarbleeps i feel like reyes fight was closer than gus for the first 3 rnds. Cause gus was landing but jones especially in the 2nd round was blasting gus was body kicks and head kicks and out struck gus.
Joe is incredibly biased in this interview. Bringing up totally irrelevant comparisons like school yard fighting, fighting to the death and the so called “championship rounds”. EVERY round is scored evenly no matter what. What is the point in having rounds at all if the last two were to somehow hold more value? Reyes out struck Jones in the first 3 rounds. That’s not a guess it’s a fact. The stats clearly show that. Effective striking is the highest scoring criteria. The judges have clearly screwed up, yet Joe continues to grasp at straws with these ridiculous comparisons that literally have nothing to do with the way MMA fights are scored.
Mexico Native If that was true Reyes wouldn’t have been the cowering one later in the fight. Also didn’t you see the headlock from jones in that second round or am the dodging from jones. Reyes ran at him throwing punches and landed 1 body shot out of the 12 he threw. Edit: I meant headkick
@@ericrodrigues167 Nah man, you're choosing not to see. It's true that Reyes threw in combinations and missed punches, but he also landed some good ones here and there throughout the whole first 3 rounds. And bottom line is he outstruck and landed better than Jon in those 3 rounds. Jon did good he finished strong but he lost . Had Jones scored a knockdown and dominated with elbows and ground and pound, and made it an 8/10 round, then he would've retained his title or possibly won. But he didn't.
He kicked Reyes in the jaw and hit him with a cast punch and a 1-2 in the third round. Jones was landing too. And he got a takedown in the 4th. Reyes went close to beating him but did not do enough.
@@gjergjjiim1615 didnt do enough? Reyes won comfortably 3 rounds of a 5 round fight, outsmarting, outstriking and outperforming jones. What did you want to see him do exactly?
Tal Moore endurance and damage should count for more than landing. The point of a fight is to inflict damage and that doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen off a clean punch. Smh when ever I fought my goal was to fuck the opponent up. Reyes might need ACL surgery and was gased in the 4th and 5th how can you win a fight running the last 2? Reyes would of got fucked up with no time limit.
Right? I mean, if I know the rules I can just save energy and then explode at the later rounds. That's a valid strategy. Joe doesn't seem to understand that.
and this is why PRIDE rules were the best, because among other rules(like striking downed opponents),you judged the total fight, but the UFC's been fucked by Boxing and athletic state commissions so you have these terrible judges and judging.
With any given outcome, you can construct an argument for or against it. Think of it like the legal system. Joe is also a huge fan of Jon Jones and an employee of the UFC, so take it with a grain of salt. Also, the UFC is a multi billion dollar business, if you expected them to remain pure to the sport and the fans, you’re a bit naive. It’s a business first, a social spectacle second, and a sport third. I wish it was the opposite.
He's just saying Jones has a phenomenal chin especially in MMA where you can literally get KO'd on accident. It's rare for someone at the highest level of competition taking bombs on a regular basis to show such a great chin like Jon or Khabib, especially Jon cause lightheavys hit lit mac trucks compared to lightweights. Besides everyone uses that example for Nate v Conor 2, even though Conor won the first 3 rounds, if the fight goes to the death Nate wins and so people feel robbed. Reyes was clearly a beaten man and Jon getting the takedowns, controlling the octagon, pressing the action and blocking or riding most of the "shots" Reyes landed won him the last 3 rounds for me anyway. Doesn't matter now though cause Reyes tasted the polish power and went to sleep.
@@owens7945 That flurry in round 1 really won the fight?? Come on now, Jones controlled the entire fight. Kept backing down Reyes easy and kept coming forward.
He said that was his personal opinion. Which everyone has my friend. Who are u to question joe anyways lol. Joe has been doing this for years and is a legit martial artist himself lol. Not saying Jon won but to question joe is stupid because he is the best with giving his honest opinions on a fight. The fact of the matter is the third round was to close and the fight went to Jon due to the way he finished the fight and Dominick faded just enough.
Jones was never getting his ass kicked either, go back and watch fight. Reyes was throwing a ton of shots but jones parried and let a lot of shots hit his gloves. I think if the fact that he made Jon Jones look human we all thought he was doing better than he was but went back and watched fight and I actually think jones won.
pauliewallnuttz ive only been able to see the highlights of the fight so I could be wrong so don't kill me if I am, but what was the longest jones was able to hold Reyes down and control him whenever he got a takedown? In the hoghlights it looked as if every time jones did take him down he couldn't do anything and Reyes was back to his feet after not long each time. I'm curious because looks like Reyes defo outstriked jones and the jones' main argument for winning was the takedowns, but like I said looked like he done nothing with them
He didn't perform well enough to get the belt. The challenger has always been required to make a decisive display whether it is boxing or mma. Belts are rarely won by way of non unanimous decisions.
Rashad is 100% correct about his confidence. You can call it what u want but it does give you an edge when your not afraid of your opponent and don't think they can hurt you. There is no hesitation and no thinking your just acting and that split second faster reaction time makes a difference. You see it all the time during fights once someone is tagged.
joe talking like Jon was kicking reyes' ass in the final round, jon tried to take down 9 times and reyes defended almost all and the ones he didnt he got right back up soo wtf ??
Zeke Michael He isn’t being criticized for not submitting him. He is just saying that, anyone can be taken down for a second. It doesn’t count for as much if you can’t keep him there and land a couple shots.
If you’re going to go with the philosophy “who would win to the death” then reverse the decisions for Diaz Conor 2. Conor was toast in those last rounds, if he had to go 30 seconds more, he was dead. Nate was still going strong
Lol if it was who would win to death then diaz would be dead when connor put him on the floor in round 1, he could have just started kneeing him but its against UFC rules. So we can only go by the rules that exist
People still bring this up and I'm no Conor fan but he obviously fought the bigger guy and had the balls to go up and do it sorry the second fight he was fucking Diaz up had that dude's face looking like hamburger but people gotta fan boy the Diaz brothers so hard they leave reality he should be ashamed Conor was able to even knock him on his ass with that reach and size difference
Most of the shots didn't land because of Jon's defense. You all have never stepped into a cage or understand what you're looking at. His defense won him that fight.
wtf r u talking about? they’re “praising” him for being able to absorb those big shots like nothing happened, we’ve never seen Jon get hit that much... it showed his toughness, u casuals r funny asf 😭
Sia Sleopard I disagree! When you are fighting JON JONES, you don’t take any rounds off!!!!! You don’t allow the judges to decide! You got a chance to beat one of the best ever, ya gotta go five rounds!!!!! If Reyes felt he had it won so played it safe, then he definitely deserves to lose! These fights have always been subjective w numbers. Plying it safe the last two rounds, and I don’t think he did (I think he was tired), is a losing strategy and always has been.
Sia Sleopard he has a good point. Round 3 & 5 make 7 1/2min. Reyes hands down won that fight tho. Dude needs cardio or I think Jon will catch him in 3.
I don’t understand what joe said was making his own rules he literally just asked a question that IF the last 2 rounds counted more you need to open your ears
@@joab757 You idiot Reyes did not get complacent. It was due to him being taken to the deep end. Jones has done Championship fights many times before. Reyes did exactly what he had to do. Pressure him constantly from 1 to 2. It's simply a case of Reyes being gassed out. His explosiveness from 1 to 3 none stop had him fighting on an empty gas tank to 4 and 5. And that's avoiding himself from getting knocked out by Jones
I love Joe but man this is crazy talk. Did Tyson Fury deserve to lose on points because Wilder almost knocked him out in the 12th? Even Joe probably doesn't agree with what he's saying here he just ain't getting any pushback from Rashad.
"if it was to the death, Jones would win" is a stupid way to look at it Joe! Both Dom and Jon would fight differently if it were a "to the death" fight. But they fought a "best of 5 rounds" fight, and most ppl agree that Dom clearly won 3 out of 5.
@@TheSublimeLifestylethe ufc uses a 10 point must system there are 2 possible scores for a round 10-8 or 10-9 no round in this fight was a 10-8. The first 3 were 10-9 for reyes the last 2 were 10-9 for jones sp reyes won 48-47 the last rounds count exactly the same this is a blatant robbery
he didn't get three,John got it with takedowns as lame as it is that was the deciding factor. Round 5 possible 10-8,they are right in the sense that you HAVE to finish the champ in a close one like that. A decision will always lean in the champs favor in a close fight
@@jvnbrk Jones ain't take shit down lmao Jon's takedowns got stuffed each time and if you wanna count those half ass take downs where Reyes got up a second after then go ahead
There is absolutely no way of knowing how a fight would go “if it went another five round”. As of right now it’s 5 rounds weighted equally. Reyes clearly won the first three. Let’s be honest people.
the first 3, jones was retreating a lot, no significant hits, not a single take down, some kicks and jabs here and there while Dominick was trying to dismantle jones with heavy shots, he had the first 3
What is the point of saying Jon Jones won the last two rounds... if your going to judge a fight based on how a fight ended... what's the purpose of having rounds. What's the purpose of having a scorecard... Just combine all the rounds into 1 round and let them fight til then end... Reyes won the fight no doubt about it.. he was robbed
@@seabassmusiktv5803 You're an asshole. Reyes definitely had the first 2 rounds but the 3rd? No. Reyes got his ass kicked in the last 2 rounds. The last 10 minutes he was barely standing and he won? The man had to be carried away but he won? He ran away from Jones in the last 2 rounds but he won? GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE! Reyes has to stop Jones, meaning submit him or knock him out to win any fight let alone become champion.
He has to spin the narrative. During the fight Joe was constantly talking about how great Jon looked while doing nothing. "he's fresher he's fresher." Yeah cuz he's standing still not doing anything. If he was fresher and wanted to win, why not cut the ring off. Oh was he too tired to cut the ring off but not as tired as Reyes? 😴
@@greuju For real man, everybody talking about cage control when for the first three rounds Reyes footwork kept Jon from cutting him off and doing anything of significance
How can you say that, when he goes and says 4 and 5 should be weighed more? and that jones would have killed reyes if the fight was longer? Dude would suck jone's D if he could. as one of the faces of the UFC the rules should be the rules, don't try to bend them after the fight to justify a bad win.
Yeah what Joe says also won't work. Then fighters will run and preserve energy for 3 rounds and go all in for the last 2 rounds... Gonna be boring 3 rounds imo 😀
R H You’re assuming every fight is going to go for 5 rounds. Fighters already pace themselves so they won’t be tired in the 4th and 5th rounds. If you saw Jones and Reyes fight for 1 round it would’ve been a completely different fight
It happens with an GOAT legacied athlete. You don't just fight/play the person you fight/play the legacy as well LeBron gets the calls mayweather gets the decisions McGregor gets the leanyency. The legacy is harder to defeat the person tbh
@Royce dude you can beat the champ on decision wtf they definitely changed the rules for Jones because that fight was definitely 3-2 everyone saying he kicked his ass in the end so Jones won what about Reyes kicking his ass for 3 rounds but he gassed and survived because he knew he won you are delusional
Dude it’s asinine to count the last two rounds more all that is going to do is to completely disincentivize fighting at a high clip in the first few rounds. It’s so ridiculous
@@Thecgsystem maybe in a real street fight, but a street fight doesn't last 25 minutes with minute breaks in between. Even your logic is flawed because if I'm doing more damage to you the majority of the fight and then you start to fight back at the end your still closer to dropping even if I'm more tired cos you've sustained more damage. He wasn't gassing out like Conor, he had a lot in him.
@@Thecgsystem that's stupid. It's a fucking sport with rules and regulations. Each round is scored individually. Whoever wins the most rounds wins the fight.
true, but it makes sense when you look at it.... if a team in the NBA is winning at the end of each of the first 3 quarters, but is losing at the end of the fourth quarter, they lose.... thats because the sport is judged as a whole, not quarter by quarter... i believe fights should be judged as a whole, not round by round..... makes more sense
Cam Grabert what are you talking about? Each quarter in an nba game is important if you up by 20 coming into the the 4th and lose the 4th by 30-25 just cause you lost the 4th don’t mean you lost the game
That is full of crap just like Ariel said, they should just be two men in a ring, and the one who does most should be the winner. No you gotta beat the champ definitely to win.
Its hard to judge against JJ because he never looks uncomfortable in a fight no matter whats going on, always composed , doesn’t look tired or show weakness
@@I_KILL_CUCKS Yeah he looked caught out, like he wasn't really at the races, showed up in the 4th and 5th imo, lost the fight overall. But shit happens.
@@ezmoneytore8940 so what? championship rounds dont make you a champion, they're not worth anything more than the other 3 rounds. that's the most stupid argument i've heard someone make
@@medzo8193 not really arguing for the decision just explaining the stance. I personally had the third round a wash, one point either way, with the first two and last two being non-debatable*.
He worded it badly but it makes sense. It should have been split decision, not unanimous, but Joe is saying you need to finish strong. Throwing everything you have in the first couple rounds can be cool, but if you get outmatched in the later rounds when fatigue sets in and you have to be a tactical fighter and you cant keep up the judges will always lean towards a fighter that was more dominant late in the fight rather than early.
@@harmonyinone Jon didn't really put it on him though. He got takedowns but they were short lived and yes he pressured those last 2 rounds. But he lost 3 rounds clearly and if you judge the fight as a whole, Jon lost. He didn't win the 2 rounds in the dominant fashion that Dominic did
3 out of 5. Reyes. He won. Was robbed. Take downs count for points but do no damage. He never put Reyes on his back. Nor could he flatten him. Reyes escapes. Didn’t stay down long. Reyes dominated the standup. So what happened? Jones wins??? Cmon man.
werthy is my name It was too close of a fight to be a robbery you casual. It was razor close. Many people believe Reyes won. To call it a robbery though shows how little you know about the fight game
Alexander Hayward I personally felt that the 4th was very close between the Reyes and Jones. Even in the beginning of the 4th Dom controlled it for a bit.
I like how everyone says "well JBJ couldn't keep him down! He couldn't do any damage!" Well did Dom do any damage to JBJ with his strikes? No. I'm using your logic here.
No one ever mentions how discipline Jon is when it comes to not dropping his hands. He always has that one hand up covering his chin. That’s what amazes me.
@@andrewmurray5409 I find that surprising, round 2 was actually one of Reyes most dominant rounds. He out struck Jones more in round 2 than any other round. If anything round 3 is the round that I can see some people maybe arguing in Jones favour although I would still disagree with it
It wasn't clear or else Reyes would be champion.... alot of people who have rewatched the fight are changing their stance on the 3rd round. A lot of punches Reyes threw in the 3rd actually missed. I think the only way to know forsure who won is to have a rematch.
What? He made a great point, if that fight was to continue jon would easily get the finish...i had reyes winning 3-2 but like many others feel it was close and coulda went either way..biggest takeaway was those championship rounds which were dominated by the champ.
@@ddp5406 I was even thinking of the point joe made but thought it sounded silly. but it is a very good point. if it were to go on there is a clear winner in that fight. round 6 or 7 reyes would have been finished. which sounds silly sure but that 5th round is the last impression youre leaving for judges fans etc and jon dominated round 5.
Durand Peavley mans talking about 49 BC and you really talking on here serious 😂. Fights should be about who dominated more though. You and i know Jones should not be the champ. What is the point about having the other rounds if the last 2 are the only ones that count? That’s a slap to the fighters face. Work so hard to end up basically saying, fuck those rounds only 2 matter. That’s wrong man.
What’s the point in mentioning if the fight was to the death or school yard fights? That’s not what the rules are. It’s a 5 round fight, each round scored separately. Seems like these “experts” are looking to excuse the decision. Reyes won!
Exactly! It was a very dumb point to bring up. Lets just go back to UFC 1 rules in that case. You cant take rounds off in any combat sport. Even in a 12 round fight. Points are so important, and you never know what the hell the judges are seeing out there.
He was just pointing out the fact that when the fight was over Jones was the fresher fighter meaning dominick didn't damage jones enough in the said first three rounds. He's standing on even grounds. Stop vilifying Joe to make it seem like everyone was and is still plotting for jones.
Idle Class Hero Joe is cool people but he doesn’t always have the perfect logic. What does looking fresher mean if the man was landing still? Some people are better at absorbing punishment. Reyes landed more every round. Being fresh doesn’t equal a win.
@@roundboxfitness3588 yup, pride used to judge fights as a whole which was their reasoning for the 10 min first round. One FC has been starting to experiment with the same type of judging.
If it was a school yard, there wouldn't be rounds for fighters to regain composure and catch their breath. Whoever had momentum in the first round most likely would have ended the fight since it is only one round. So that is a false premise.
lol yup, maybe if they had some weapons the fight would be different too, maybe if they fought with furniture and kept it real, it would be different, ya know?
Reyes got robbed. Reyes clearly won the first 3 and the game is 5 ROUNDS! THE FIRST ROUND IS WORTH THE SAME AS THE 5TH! You can't just set certain rules and then judge the fights on different rules than those agreed upon! Come on Joe! What the actual fuck. Oh if the fight would've gone on longer, X person would've won... well, no shit... if you change the rules of the game after the game is over, of course you'd get a different outcome. You could say the same for any sport.
If you are going to judge a fight based on who won the last 2 rounds, then what's the point of the point system then? The reason we have points is because without a KO/TKO, the winner would be decided based on how many rounds they won. So to decide the winner based on who won the 4th and 5th round just discredits the whole point of a point system completely
Just saying how are you cutting Rashad off right when he's talking about real shit. I know you can watch the full episode but you could've ended it sooner dependent on the title of the cliip
You’re not getting what he’s saying. He’s saying it was a super close fight so Jon’s ability to push the action late in the fourth and fifth when his opponent couldn’t is the mentality of a champion and shows he’s the better fighter and deserves to be the champ. If it’s a close fight and the challenger can’t dig deep and keep up the fight and the champ does, then the he’s better than the challenger. If that third round had been more dominant by Reyes than he would have gotten the decision but I don’t think a fighter should be able to win three and then fade off and just survive and still win a fight. Jon may have lost the first three but he never stopped pressuring and trying to win but Dominic dropped off in the end unlike the champ. Dom is not the quality of fighter Jon is.
William Akerstrom THANK YOU! Someone who gets it and is not bias, there’s too many butthurt bitches in the comments and you have perfectly explained it
William Akerstrom I get what you’re saying but ufc fights are not scored that way nor should they. It’s 5 rounds, 10 point score system, and you tally up the scores in the end. You win more rounds, you win the fight. That simple. Reyes won 3, Jon 2. This isn’t street rules or “last shot wins” like they do at the park. It’s a score that’s kept. Every round is important, Jon got beat up for most of the fight (3-2) and thus should be declared the loser. This whole “if it would’ve gone 10 rounds” crap like Rogan said is irrelevant because it’s not part of the rules. 5 rounds, score the rounds, add it up, declare a winner. Simple.
Jones on coke, steroids, paid judges, the dude is unstoppable. UFC will still give him the title bcuz he is a marketable fighter. Aka McGregor. UFC has become a joke now bro
@MrCactus doesn't matter, he won 3 rounds and jones won 2. If it was a street fight then Jon wins cause he dominated at the end but this is mma where each round carries the same weight. Reyes won 3 Jons 2.3 rounds is more than 2 so Reyes should've been the champ.
All he is saying is that in a fight that is so close the person who won the last 2 rounds (championship rounds) should get the advantage in the decision if its a close call If you want to be a champion you need to bring it all 5 rounds and not gas out after the 3rd Everyone in mma fights 3 rounds but only the greatest have the ability to go the distance for 5 Thats the difference
I thought Jon won but creating hypothetical situations to justify it is crazy. If it’s a sport you should be graded on performance not “what would’ve happened on a schoolyard”
Imagine telling a fighter "hey, it's a pretty simple sport. You can win by either finishing your opponent, or securing three rounds." "Okay cool, so what about my opponent?" "Oh, he doesnt have yo do either of those things. He just has to look really good at the end of the fight. And if he has an excellent body of work, they count that for him too. And if we pretend in our heads that it's a fight to the death on the street and we think he would have eventually killed you, then he gets credit for that too. And if we feel like he's REALLY the better fighter, and that he would definitely win a rematch, then that counts for him also. GOOD LUCK OUT THERE KID!!" Reyes secured three rounds against the greatest of all time. Everything else is noise. They should have given him the belt.
When Jones loses his first fight Joe will say.... Well if the fight went on for another 2 hours I think there's a great chance Jon gets the better of him. Rogan has always loved Jones too much to have any objective opinion about him.
@@mountainjews he didnt eat him for me jones won the second the 4th and the 5th round, reyes was arguably the best opponent jones has ever fought but after that Reyes has lost 3 fights
Arguably Roe Jogan here was fairly objective pointing out the suspiscious judge and that most people feel like Reyes won three rounds, need ref help to be the GOAT though
They don’t have to count more. The judge can score the final round 10-8. The rules already accommodate weighting the later rounds more, just up to the judges
Joe Rogan moving the goal posts , just like when he gets called out and then says, " I'm a comedian", IF Reyes had lost the first three rounds to Jones and then won last two, Rogan would be going nuts.
Nah he would say well Jon won 3 rounds the championship rounds don't count more because it's a championship fight. Round 1 means as much as round 5. That's exactly what he would say
Only issue with “to the death” is we already have breaks in between rounds. Without getting a break Jones could have been done early. You can’t say “to the death” but give losing fighter a break every few minutes.
"To the death" but no eye gouging and kicking people in the head while theyre down. Theres a reason we have a set of rules and why we treat this as a sport instead of viewing it as a fight to the death.
If you can’t see what he means you’re an idiot, maybe try getting in the cage and say that. It’s still to the death, no matter if there are some rules, the goal is still to do as much damage as possible to the opponent.. knees and flying knees, elbows and kicks and even punches to the head can all kill. Just because there are rounds and some rules, it doesn’t remove much of the danger. The fact remains that 2 people still are literally trying to kill each other until the last bell.
@@djandrewification not to mention can you imagine how there would be pretty much no grappling? People would just grab and twist skin lol might be a good thing
The one issue I have with the 'to the death scenario' is that if there's no breaks between rounds, Reyes would not have stopped and could have killed Jon in the first 15 minutes. The bell is all that stopped Reyes from continuing to go to town on Jon.
the other problem is that fighter fights with number of rounds being in mind. you can't make the argument 'for the death' if there is predefined number of rounds that fighter take into consideration with his strategy.
anybody can play the "what if" scenario but at the end of the day the contest was 5 rounds and the scores did not reflect what we saw and Reyes absolutely won by scoring. You cant predict what would have happened in the 10th round if they kept going all you want. Maybe Reyes would have turned it up a notch who knows. Thats why the "what if" scenario is a great talking point but not reality.
@@Themayseffect very true, he lost last 2 rounds but in my opinion, he won the 1st 3 rounds...do we look at this fight as scoring contest since no one got knocked out? Or who has the heart of a champion in the later rounds? Btw im not in any shape or form saying Jones was not impressive, he is a beast make no mistake abt that. But he lost the contest that night, in my opinion.
@@jeffreyabraham7051 Reyes was the toughest opponent Jones has had since Alex (the first fight)... so yea, it does make a strong case. But Reyes lost. I'm not the best person to argue though, i rarely ever call foul for scored fights "that go the wrong way" and certainly championship fights. If the challenger doesn't decisively beat the champion then i immediately rule it as a loss. Reyes did not even remotely "unanimously" win this fight. Looking at the Cody vs Dominic fight is a perfect example of the challenger unanimously winning a fight without a TKO/SUB. The fact the round 2,3 can be seen as open for interpretation here means this clearly that Reyes didn't win. Rd 3 could've been scored either way. Leaving only 1/2 as a win for Reyes and rd 4/5 as a clear loss. Reyes is younger and has less mileage and could not close out the fight.
@@Themayseffect here are the data i pulled on the fight. Reyes landed 23 of 59 punches (38%) compared to Jones landing 17 of 27 (62%) in round one. In the second, Reyes landed 33 of 68 (48%) against Jones' contribution of 22 from 37 (59%). And, in the third, Reyes again landed more with 26 of 45 (57%) while Jones landed 19 of 34 (55%). It was only in the fourth when Jones snatched the momentum, landing 20 of 34 (58%) compared to Reyes who landed 13 of 41 (31%). In the fifth, Jones landed 26 from 34 strike attempts (76%) compared to Reyes who landed 21 from 46 (45%).
@@jeffreyabraham7051 not sure what this is supposed to prove.... All it shows is that Reyes never dominated the fight...This doesn't account for Octagon control, takedown attempts, significant strikes or head/body/leg strikes.
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You have to knock Jon Jones out to get a draw with him
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I’ve seen this comment somewhere else. Plagiarism.
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You have force Jon Jones into a DQ to have a chance to win lol
Significant strikes landed:
Round 1: Reyes - 23; Jones - 17
Round 2: Reyes - 33; Jones - 22
Round 3: Reyes - 26; Jones - 19
Round 4: Reyes - 13; Jones - 20
Round 5: Reyes - 21; Jones - 26
Jones: Two takedowns over Reyes but did nothing with it and the longest Reyes stayed on the ground was 3 or 4 seconds.
Reyes: defended seven takedowns
This is starting to look like people are just focusing on protecting established fighters instead of reward talented newcomers who clearly did more to deserve the win. Very sad.
Stats don’t mean shit ask Joanna when she lost the rematch to rose namajunis
Reyes landed 45 percent of his total strikes, Jones landed 62 percent of his total strikes. They both had nearly identical shots lands but Reyes a fewer more. Dominic landed more shots then Jones but missed more than he landed.
You only covered strikes. But that's only 1 category of judging the bout.
Significant strikes landed, you covered that.
Aggression. All jones.
Octagon control. All jones.
I agree with the decision as well as the unanimous based on the way this bout is judged. I don't agree with that 1 judge that jones won 4-1 rounds. But I still agree with the decision
@Alex Cthe round he wasn't aggressive he lost and I don't think anyone disagrees with"Reyes first two and Jones last two" it's clearly the third round that is the issue and personally I give it to Jones but honestly going into the fight I didn't like Reyes and by the end of the fight before the judges score I was seriously on edge because I didn't know who won
It’s so they can sell a super fight with Israel
Joe: Who tf opens up a fight with a flying knee?
Cuban Jesus: Hold my cup
He said championship fights
Street Jesus is yet to fight a championship fight
Love Masvidal though
Rishabh Rathore to be fair he has if you count the BMF fight with Nate
Lol, let Jorge do that vs Usman and we will see where he ends up.
Hold my soda
The Cuban missile Jesus
When you close your eyes and listen to Rashad speak you can actually hear one of kamaru usmans many personalities
😂😂😂
yes, the best one.
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Absolutely Hilarious but TRUE!!! Kamaru Usman’s Big Brother, 👍🏾👊🏾✌🏾🇳🇬🇺🇸
Johnamy Williams holy shit lmao dude this is so accurate
Reyes had his “Rocky” moment, now he needs his Rocky II moment lol
Rocky didn't get robbed
@@jackattack5537 neither did reyes
Rocky is fake
Ryan Rigsby I thought it was a documentary
lmao
Stephen A Smith gave the Jones-Reyes fight to Conner MacGregor 50-40
K Wil 😂🤣😂
Winner
Lol 😂
K Wil lmao, Stephen A. and his “premium content” with the pads and the gloves 🙄
😂😂😂
"I just feel like the last 2 rounds should count more, but only for the fighters I like."
This comment would have a couple hundred more likes if you posted this months ago
the first 3 rounds was on reyes maybe the judges scored it. 10-9 all three round on reyes favor. and the last 2rounds maybe scored them 10-8 in favor of jones. but i dont know
rjr29 nah, u can look up the scorecard. No 10-8 scores, that would have been even more ridiculous since there was no deduction
Lol, you're probably spot on but just curious, about which fighters did he say the opposite?
@@thomasfritz147 isn't 10-8 is for like full dominance like when the other person literally does nothing
Tony the type of guy to bribe the judges to score against him.
Super Col007 underrated
One of the best „tony the type of guy“ comments ever
Tony the type of guy to ankle pick his newborn sons first step
Lol
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"He ain't no west coast Judge" nate diaz
Lol
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Rashad Evans looks like he has a CD player slot installed into his head
Jonny Smith 🤣🤣🤣👌
Jonny Smith bro I can’t stop looking at it now 😂🤣
That’s hilarious
😭😭😭😭😭lmfao
He still has my metallica cd, won't give it back....maybe it's stuck
"If the super bowl was longer the 49ers might have won. Just give them the trophy...." -Joe
Fuck the Quueeeeefs
That shitty ass super bowl was so forgettable I literally forgot who 49ers played
@@chesterwellington9750 how lol, that was a fantastic super bowl.
@@chesterwellington9750 clown
He literally said the uniqueness of this specific sport makes it different than all others.
“Jon won that fight. He impressed me with the shots he took” 😂
@Htx457 How does it not make sense? He thought Jones won the fight and the handful of good shots he took that would knock out others impressed Rashad.....
Chris Arctor where tf is Reyes credit at tho
Chris Arctor cause it isn’t a reason to win lol He lost rounds 1-3. Judges were on crack
He won 3-5, get it right!
@@Deloneys HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
had this fight been a 10 rounds fight, Reyes would have done differently in the first rounds. Had my grandma had wheels, she'd been a chariot.
Amazing post! Can't stop laughing
Done what differently? He knew this was a 5 round fight and still lost the last 2, that proved joes point lol. If it was 10 he would’ve lost for sure than. What would he do take the first rounds off? That would mean he wouldn’t even have the rounds he had rn. 3rd round was a draw as well
Break her legs so she can be in a wheelchair
@@aydin7266 Joe just got paid to back up the ufc....he was talking differently before.
Right, Joe's comment of if it was to the death Jon would of won but how can you say that if the action never stops for these guys to get break and advice from there corners makes a big difference in the next round so if that's the logic Jon never goes back to the corner and he never get gets advice or breaks!
The whole “if you wanna be the champ you have to beat the champ” went out the window when Cejudo was given the decision over Johnson.
And it is a horseshit philosophy. You either win a round or you don't. The the guy who wins the fight should get the decision.
@@douglascarkuff1969 who gives a fuck about quarter men
Cejudo actually did beat Johnson though
True bro.
Facts
They need to hire retired fighters like Chuck Liddell, Forrest griffin, Tito Ortiz, bas rutten, hell any retired fighter to judge these fights. Problem would be solved.
I agree, but no tito please. Send tito to the shadows and keep him there.
That would be awesome to have Askren, Cormier, Matt Hughes, Matt serra, etc judge fights
They would probably be super bias considering they have their own gym's / fighters
@@MrLakeshow11 there would be a process for selecting them. In football, if an Arab country plays against a European country, they would chose a ref from the far east or the americas to ref the match.
Fahad Joudeh football refs don’t decide who wins
Joe: Jon Jones came in with a flying knee. Who does that?
Masvidal: hold my beer
Masvidal wasnt a 23 year old fighting for a world title though
Modern Spirit he is now ? He probably fighting for a world title, but I didn’t know he was 23 lmao
@Modern Spirit😂😂😂😂😂😂
They said in a championship fight.
@@torontobound1628 yeah the dudes 35 lol
Jones has entered that late career Mayweather realm where it's all about winning the fight and not KOing anyone.
Since the Shogun fight 9 yrs ago Jon has 2 ko's DC/Gustaffson.When was he ever a KO artist?
Very that's when GSP started to struggle mentally
He did enough to win. Your right. He’s just on cruise control pointing it out
Silva was front kicking Vitor at age 36 and embarrassing guys at 205 at age 37.
Agree
Host:"Had this been a 10 rd fight Jon would have decapitated Reyes"
Michael Bisping: "Yea yea, but its not a 10 rd fight. Its like saying 'if they allowed guns, he would have shot him'. Guns arent allowed either buddeh. "
Compare Reyes to Gustaffson 1, and tell me in what way Gustaffson did worse. Reyes - unlike Gustaffson!!! - gave up Octagon control in Round 3, throwing as many punches as possible to get a percentage of strikes win. Simple as that. And here's something funny that people forget: Jones threw more precise strikes. Look at the figures of thrown vs landed for each fighter.
Danny Peculiarbleeps i feel like reyes fight was closer than gus for the first 3 rnds. Cause gus was landing but jones especially in the 2nd round was blasting gus was body kicks and head kicks and out struck gus.
Hahaha
@Olando Randle what fight were you watching? A knockoff fight in Japan on the same night?
Not the same. Bad comparison
Joe is incredibly biased in this interview. Bringing up totally irrelevant comparisons like school yard fighting, fighting to the death and the so called “championship rounds”. EVERY round is scored evenly no matter what.
What is the point in having rounds at all if the last two were to somehow hold more value?
Reyes out struck Jones in the first 3 rounds. That’s not a guess it’s a fact. The stats clearly show that.
Effective striking is the highest scoring criteria. The judges have clearly screwed up, yet Joe continues to grasp at straws with these ridiculous comparisons that literally have nothing to do with the way MMA fights are scored.
Jim Smith give it a rest man will ye put some respect on the best fighter of all time
I had jones winning round 2 cause he landed harder shots and most of 99% of Reyes missed if u replay it slowly
@@ericrodrigues167 Nothing Jon landed was as hard as that uppercut Reyes landed. Reyes landed harder shots.
Mexico Native If that was true Reyes wouldn’t have been the cowering one later in the fight. Also didn’t you see the headlock from jones in that second round or am the dodging from jones. Reyes ran at him throwing punches and landed 1 body shot out of the 12 he threw.
Edit: I meant headkick
@@ericrodrigues167 Nah man, you're choosing not to see. It's true that Reyes threw in combinations and missed punches, but he also landed some good ones here and there throughout the whole first 3 rounds. And bottom line is he outstruck and landed better than Jon in those 3 rounds. Jon did good he finished strong but he lost . Had Jones scored a knockdown and dominated with elbows and ground and pound, and made it an 8/10 round, then he would've retained his title or possibly won. But he didn't.
Joe: "He opens up with a flying knee. Who the @!#$ does that?"
Jorge Masvidal: "Hold my beer."
Eymard Lacambra my first thought as well!
He was talking about a title fight that Jon did that in.
Lol! To be fair that wasn't a title fight Jones knee was.
Comment of immortality!!!!!! Nice.
Please don't tell me you're comparing Jon Jones and Jorge Masvidal
ESPN get ahold of Rashad. He’s a knowledgeable individual with a great speaking voice.
right on Taylor Man I said same
I think he does do some work for them.
Fuck ESPN
He would be better off going to FS1
@@holeephuck4421 facts ESPN is a vampire type of business. Suck the blood until they can't suck no more then you're gone
He does work for them
I feel like Judges are in bed with Betting Houses
Why else would Jon's first words to Dominick after the fight be "Our rematch is gonna be epic?"
@8GarretttterraG8 No one thought the fight would be that close
Yep if the fix was it would have went the other way Reyes 4-1 under dog
judges dont agree with me so they must mean its a conspiracy that jj won your a fucking moron
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Joe "UFC should exceed 25min so that Jon can win" Rogan
one day we'll all lose to the guy who stayed awake for 14 days lol
Jones should get credit for skillfully blocking Reyes' punches with his face.
He kicked Reyes in the jaw and hit him with a cast punch and a 1-2 in the third round. Jones was landing too. And he got a takedown in the 4th. Reyes went close to beating him but did not do enough.
Reyes landed some of his best shots in the 4th round, the round nobody is giving him any credit for.
@@gjergjjiim1615 didnt do enough? Reyes won comfortably 3 rounds of a 5 round fight, outsmarting, outstriking and outperforming jones. What did you want to see him do exactly?
Those punches didn't do shit..
Tal Moore endurance and damage should count for more than landing. The point of a fight is to inflict damage and that doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen off a clean punch. Smh when ever I fought my goal was to fuck the opponent up. Reyes might need ACL surgery and was gased in the 4th and 5th how can you win a fight running the last 2? Reyes would of got fucked up with no time limit.
OK Joe but I assumed the fight was supposed to be scored round by round, when did the last two rounds become more valuable than the first three?
Championship rounds..
Muney 99 someone knows what fighting for a title means.
He literally says what you’re saying. Completely verbatim. He’s just saying why he thinks it should be different.
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No Joe, all rounds are equally important. That's the sport, it's not a fight to the death.
Right? I mean, if I know the rules I can just save energy and then explode at the later rounds. That's a valid strategy. Joe doesn't seem to understand that.
Technically that's just how boxing works and we took the system from that, MMA would be better off with a more realistic style of scoring.
and this is why PRIDE rules were the best, because among other rules(like striking downed opponents),you judged the total fight, but the UFC's been fucked by Boxing and athletic state commissions so you have these terrible judges and judging.
This is the one time Joe is completely full of shit.
With any given outcome, you can construct an argument for or against it. Think of it like the legal system. Joe is also a huge fan of Jon Jones and an employee of the UFC, so take it with a grain of salt. Also, the UFC is a multi billion dollar business, if you expected them to remain pure to the sport and the fans, you’re a bit naive. It’s a business first, a social spectacle second, and a sport third. I wish it was the opposite.
„Jones was so good, he could take heavy shots.“
„The last two rounds should count more“
i am really questioning these statements joe.
sadly yea me too
He's just saying Jones has a phenomenal chin especially in MMA where you can literally get KO'd on accident. It's rare for someone at the highest level of competition taking bombs on a regular basis to show such a great chin like Jon or Khabib, especially Jon cause lightheavys hit lit mac trucks compared to lightweights. Besides everyone uses that example for Nate v Conor 2, even though Conor won the first 3 rounds, if the fight goes to the death Nate wins and so people feel robbed. Reyes was clearly a beaten man and Jon getting the takedowns, controlling the octagon, pressing the action and blocking or riding most of the "shots" Reyes landed won him the last 3 rounds for me anyway. Doesn't matter now though cause Reyes tasted the polish power and went to sleep.
@@vampycaltm5273 You aren’t wrong but it doesn’t matter with a 10-9 scoring system Dom Reyes should have won.
@@owens7945 That flurry in round 1 really won the fight?? Come on now, Jones controlled the entire fight. Kept backing down Reyes easy and kept coming forward.
He said that was his personal opinion. Which everyone has my friend. Who are u to question joe anyways lol. Joe has been doing this for years and is a legit martial artist himself lol. Not saying Jon won but to question joe is stupid because he is the best with giving his honest opinions on a fight. The fact of the matter is the third round was to close and the fight went to Jon due to the way he finished the fight and Dominick faded just enough.
"To be the champ you gotta BEAT the champ" "If it went another 5 rounds" "the last 2 rounds matter more" WTF
Rashad is one of the best of all time too, if he says " to be the champ you gotta BEAT the champ " then that's how it goes.
He did beat the champ 3 rounds out of 5
@@ankletaker6700 The idea itself isn't an issue. Selectively applying it only when you want to is.
The dick riding is real
Dumbest shit I've ever heard I expect more from Joe he's the man but wtf was he thinking here
Max Holloway- "With those judges logic, I easily outpointed Volkanovski"
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Lol nice try completely different fight dude
Lol jones is like max overrated
o1h8 they both went on a 13+ fight win streak in the division bro how r they overrated
@@UltraxInstinct nah not completely different...
reyes wasn't really getting his ass kicked decisively tho. quit justifying the decision.
Joe is bullshitting
Jones was never getting his ass kicked either, go back and watch fight. Reyes was throwing a ton of shots but jones parried and let a lot of shots hit his gloves. I think if the fact that he made Jon Jones look human we all thought he was doing better than he was but went back and watched fight and I actually think jones won.
pauliewallnuttz ive only been able to see the highlights of the fight so I could be wrong so don't kill me if I am, but what was the longest jones was able to hold Reyes down and control him whenever he got a takedown? In the hoghlights it looked as if every time jones did take him down he couldn't do anything and Reyes was back to his feet after not long each time. I'm curious because looks like Reyes defo outstriked jones and the jones' main argument for winning was the takedowns, but like I said looked like he done nothing with them
@@taylor099c8 maybe a minute of control with the best takedown the others 10-20 secs no damage. Reyes was too winded to KO a 15 yr by the 4th and 5th
He didn't perform well enough to get the belt. The challenger has always been required to make a decisive display whether it is boxing or mma. Belts are rarely won by way of non unanimous decisions.
Rashad is 100% correct about his confidence. You can call it what u want but it does give you an edge when your not afraid of your opponent and don't think they can hurt you. There is no hesitation and no thinking your just acting and that split second faster reaction time makes a difference. You see it all the time during fights once someone is tagged.
joe talking like Jon was kicking reyes' ass in the final round, jon tried to take down 9 times and reyes defended almost all and the ones he didnt he got right back up soo wtf ??
Doesnt matter. Reyes went down..
You cant expect a submission every time a takedown happens
Zeke Michael
He isn’t being criticized for not submitting him. He is just saying that, anyone can be taken down for a second. It doesn’t count for as much if you can’t keep him there and land a couple shots.
What good is it taking a guy down for 1 second and not even punching once? Pls explain
@@ItzOhhJay no he wasnt
Being took down dosent feel good 😐
Reyes won.
No
Fuck reyes
Everytime jon Jones has a close fight the rematch doesn't make it to a decision
Very true
Well Jones pops for 'roids every rematch. Coincidence?
But it does get overturned regardless of outcome.
Never had an immediate rematch in his life.
He looked like dog shit against OSP.
If you’re going to go with the philosophy “who would win to the death” then reverse the decisions for Diaz Conor 2. Conor was toast in those last rounds, if he had to go 30 seconds more, he was dead. Nate was still going strong
joshua D macgregor won the 4th I my opinion diaz won 3 and 5
Lol if it was who would win to death then diaz would be dead when connor put him on the floor in round 1, he could have just started kneeing him but its against UFC rules. So we can only go by the rules that exist
People still bring this up and I'm no Conor fan but he obviously fought the bigger guy and had the balls to go up and do it sorry the second fight he was fucking Diaz up had that dude's face looking like hamburger but people gotta fan boy the Diaz brothers so hard they leave reality he should be ashamed Conor was able to even knock him on his ass with that reach and size difference
@@chaoticone8948 Somebody who gets it. 🙌
Mr. Chaos no bro Connors ass was gassed after the 3rd and Diaz outstriked him I don’t know what fight you watched Connor Stanboy 🤦🏿♂️
They're literally praising Jones for getting hit in the face
AGFB40 right lol these guys both off that DMT
It's because he was actually blocking those shots with his face..
@@erickf5385 Such skill. Amazing.
Most of the shots didn't land because of Jon's defense. You all have never stepped into a cage or understand what you're looking at. His defense won him that fight.
wtf r u talking about? they’re “praising” him for being able to absorb those big shots like nothing happened, we’ve never seen Jon get hit that much... it showed his toughness, u casuals r funny asf 😭
If the last 2 rounds counted more Reyes would’ve fought differently.
Joe’s judging the fight by his own rules!
Sia Sleopard I disagree! When you are fighting JON JONES, you don’t take any rounds off!!!!! You don’t allow the judges to decide! You got a chance to beat one of the best ever, ya gotta go five rounds!!!!! If Reyes felt he had it won so played it safe, then he definitely deserves to lose!
These fights have always been subjective w numbers. Plying it safe the last two rounds, and I don’t think he did (I think he was tired), is a losing strategy and always has been.
Sia Sleopard he has a good point. Round 3 & 5 make 7 1/2min. Reyes hands down won that fight tho. Dude needs cardio or I think Jon will catch him in 3.
I don’t understand what joe said was making his own rules he literally just asked a question that IF the last 2 rounds counted more you need to open your ears
@@joab757 You idiot Reyes did not get complacent. It was due to him being taken to the deep end. Jones has done Championship fights many times before. Reyes did exactly what he had to do. Pressure him constantly from 1 to 2. It's simply a case of Reyes being gassed out. His explosiveness from 1 to 3 none stop had him fighting on an empty gas tank to 4 and 5. And that's avoiding himself from getting knocked out by Jones
I love Joe but man this is crazy talk. Did Tyson Fury deserve to lose on points because Wilder almost knocked him out in the 12th? Even Joe probably doesn't agree with what he's saying here he just ain't getting any pushback from Rashad.
"if it was to the death, Jones would win" is a stupid way to look at it Joe! Both Dom and Jon would fight differently if it were a "to the death" fight. But they fought a "best of 5 rounds" fight, and most ppl agree that Dom clearly won 3 out of 5.
Andrew Ponton u clearly missed his point
He was saying that if the fight lasted long jones would’ve won. He agreed that Reyes won the first couple of rounds
here comes the rogan defense league
True. If it was to the death fucking Tony Ferguson could maybe beat Jon if he ran until Jones was tired.
dH so u have nothing contribute to the argument. Why are u even here if u don’t like joe
Joe "2 is greater than 3" Rogan
Ur stupid what does more damage 2 straight on the chin with good power or 3 baby hits that were blocked don't be dumb
@@gabrielspencer2713 huh?
It’s called “CHAMPIONSHIP ROUNDS” for a reason.
@marc ramirez what are you talking about? He didn't check any of them. He got humbled by Reyes. Even Jones thought he lost the fight.
@@TheSublimeLifestylethe ufc uses a 10 point must system there are 2 possible scores for a round 10-8 or 10-9 no round in this fight was a 10-8. The first 3 were 10-9 for reyes the last 2 were 10-9 for jones sp reyes won 48-47 the last rounds count exactly the same this is a blatant robbery
“You gotta BEAT the champ” is the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard, Reyes won 3 rounds and the last time I checked that means you win
he didn't get three,John got it with takedowns as lame as it is that was the deciding factor. Round 5 possible 10-8,they are right in the sense that you HAVE to finish the champ in a close one like that. A decision will always lean in the champs favor in a close fight
Its Clearly Not He Gassed Out Looking for A finish That wasn’t there lmao You are Salty
Jevon Burke ROUND 5 A 10-8?! ARE YOU ON THE SPECTRUM MY G?! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SMOKIN????
I disagree, he won 2. You have a debatable argument but it's not factual, its opinion.
@@jvnbrk Jones ain't take shit down lmao Jon's takedowns got stuffed each time and if you wanna count those half ass take downs where Reyes got up a second after then go ahead
Joe "If this was a different time Jon would invade Doms favela on horse back and kill everyone who wasn't fit for work" Rogan
Chicano Enforcer Gaming bet you wouldn’t say that to his face
@Chicano Enforcer Gaming honestly him refusing to acknowledge that you exist is more disrespectful then you saying he sucks
Chicano Enforcer Gaming that kinda goes for everyone tho...
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Rashad in sexy voice: I know
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There is absolutely no way of knowing how a fight would go “if it went another five round”. As of right now it’s 5 rounds weighted equally. Reyes clearly won the first three. Let’s be honest people.
I don’t think he clearly won first three at all
He didn't won the 2nd round, he missed a lot of strikes he got hit.
He maybe only won 2 rounds at best 😂
the first 3, jones was retreating a lot, no significant hits, not a single take down, some kicks and jabs here and there while Dominick was trying to dismantle jones with heavy shots, he had the first 3
@@asmodius666How could you look at that second round and say Jones only retreated 😂
That judge is probably Jones uncle, it’s the only explanation.
Get this man a badge and a degree in forensics
I never seen a jones apologist like rpgan.
What is the point of saying Jon Jones won the last two rounds... if your going to judge a fight based on how a fight ended... what's the purpose of having rounds. What's the purpose of having a scorecard... Just combine all the rounds into 1 round and let them fight til then end... Reyes won the fight no doubt about it.. he was robbed
@@seabassmusiktv5803 You're an asshole. Reyes definitely had the first 2 rounds but the 3rd? No. Reyes got his ass kicked in the last 2 rounds. The last 10 minutes he was barely standing and he won? The man had to be carried away but he won? He ran away from Jones in the last 2 rounds but he won? GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE! Reyes has to stop Jones, meaning submit him or knock him out to win any fight let alone become champion.
@@THEATTKID I couldnt agree. You cant run for two rounds and expect to be a champion
Come on Joe... Are we scoring rounds or just the last minute of the fight? Listen to yourself man.
He has to spin the narrative. During the fight Joe was constantly talking about how great Jon looked while doing nothing.
"he's fresher he's fresher."
Yeah cuz he's standing still not doing anything. If he was fresher and wanted to win, why not cut the ring off.
Oh was he too tired to cut the ring off but not as tired as Reyes? 😴
@@greuju For real man, everybody talking about cage control when for the first three rounds Reyes footwork kept Jon from cutting him off and doing anything of significance
@@adamcyrus his problem is he doesn't believe Joe is consistent
Y'all dick riders can say what ever yall want, he lost and that's it . 😂
I mean Jon walked out of the fight fine. Reyes needed a wheelchair to take him to an ambulance. I think that says a lot about who won the fight lol.
Jon didn’t even look proud or confident that he won. You can tell he didn’t feel deserving of that win.
lmao shut up casual. Jon knew he won after dominating 4 and 5
@@zainhassam5027 He ain't dominate shit
How can you say that, when he goes and says 4 and 5 should be weighed more? and that jones would have killed reyes if the fight was longer? Dude would suck jone's D if he could. as one of the faces of the UFC the rules should be the rules, don't try to bend them after the fight to justify a bad win.
He knows he lost. He can say all he wants to but his body language has said it all
Darren Mcclean Nah there’s no saving him 😂 He’s clearly a dumbass
Here I was thinking Joe Rogan always kept it real 🤷🏾♀️
He does. You're just a casual 🤷♂️
Joe is biased .
@@shariq5404 we all are.
ArkansasGamer OKAY STAN.
@@navin9315 who tf is Stan??
The real winners we’re the casinos. 😂
Yes
Joe “only train for the last 2 rounds” Rogan
yeah, wont rounds 1-3 be amazing! haha fuck everyone been saying some real dumb shit...
Yeah what Joe says also won't work. Then fighters will run and preserve energy for 3 rounds and go all in for the last 2 rounds... Gonna be boring 3 rounds imo 😀
R H You’re assuming every fight is going to go for 5 rounds. Fighters already pace themselves so they won’t be tired in the 4th and 5th rounds. If you saw Jones and Reyes fight for 1 round it would’ve been a completely different fight
Josh Haley right!!
You know you can still lose a 5 round fight even if you win 3 rounds? That's why 10-8 rounds exist. Bunch of casuals.
its weird how we always change the rules for jon jones...
Ali7 no we jus you
It happens with an GOAT legacied athlete. You don't just fight/play the person you fight/play the legacy as well LeBron gets the calls mayweather gets the decisions McGregor gets the leanyency. The legacy is harder to defeat the person tbh
Arczethus lol these tools wanna keep using any excuse they can
@Royce dude you can beat the champ on decision wtf they definitely changed the rules for Jones because that fight was definitely 3-2 everyone saying he kicked his ass in the end so Jones won what about Reyes kicking his ass for 3 rounds but he gassed and survived because he knew he won you are delusional
@@jefferywiser415 you said it best
Dude it’s asinine to count the last two rounds more all that is going to do is to completely disincentivize fighting at a high clip in the first few rounds. It’s so ridiculous
Exactly, wtf is he talking about? 😂
They should call it the champion bias.
If you can't stop the guy and you're getting beat up at the end you lost
@@Thecgsystem maybe in a real street fight, but a street fight doesn't last 25 minutes with minute breaks in between. Even your logic is flawed because if I'm doing more damage to you the majority of the fight and then you start to fight back at the end your still closer to dropping even if I'm more tired cos you've sustained more damage. He wasn't gassing out like Conor, he had a lot in him.
@@Thecgsystem that's stupid. It's a fucking sport with rules and regulations. Each round is scored individually. Whoever wins the most rounds wins the fight.
It’s a five round fight !!! You can’t think of the last round being the be all end all.
true, but it makes sense when you look at it.... if a team in the NBA is winning at the end of each of the first 3 quarters, but is losing at the end of the fourth quarter, they lose.... thats because the sport is judged as a whole, not quarter by quarter... i believe fights should be judged as a whole, not round by round..... makes more sense
Cam Grabert what are you talking about? Each quarter in an nba game is important if you up by 20 coming into the the 4th and lose the 4th by 30-25 just cause you lost the 4th don’t mean you lost the game
@@camgrabert7963 Round by round makes more sense... Except it's a fight to the death.
@@camgrabert7963 that's two different sports dumbass it's not the same
Edwin Borja at least someone understands where I’m coming from!!
"To be the champ you got to really beat the champ". So Jon won because of a rule that doesnt exist? Makes sense ...
Vinícius Baêta unwritten rule in combats sports.
Rashad has actually been in championship fights, i think he knows the rules.
That is full of crap just like Ariel said, they should just be two men in a ring, and the one who does most should be the winner. No you gotta beat the champ definitely to win.
That sounds like Dana White bully bull shit.
"bruuh didn't you see how jon jones were able to take punches without getting k.oed?" come on that's gotta count for something xD
Basically reyes 1,2,3 jones 4,5 its not that difficult
Jon Jones round 2, 4,5
And round three is a toss up either way.. Round 2 is also a toss up but I gave it to jon
@Pierre Doyle 2, 4, 5 Jon
I agree but 3 is debateable, you are buzzing if you think round 2 is a toss up
I scored it 1 and 3 for Reyes, and 2,4, and 5 for Jones. I watched it on replay three times, and feel confident in my analysis.
AND STILL BABY !!!
Its hard to judge against JJ because he never looks uncomfortable in a fight no matter whats going on, always composed , doesn’t look tired or show weakness
That is 100% correct. Perfect way to explain it
Couple uppercuts and straight lefts from Reyes, proves otherwise. Jones looked really uncomfortable. 😂
@@I_KILL_CUCKS Yeah he looked caught out, like he wasn't really at the races, showed up in the 4th and 5th imo, lost the fight overall. But shit happens.
but he lost the fight based on scoring
@@harrywatson2694 then he would have a loss on his record if that was the case
Joe “win 2/5 rounds you’re the champ” Rogan
more like ''win the last 2 rounds you're the champ, school fight rules'' Rogan :D
The last two were clear the third was slightly debatable, the last two are the championship rounds
@@ezmoneytore8940 then change the rules and make the 4 rounds fight not 5
@@ezmoneytore8940 so what? championship rounds dont make you a champion, they're not worth anything more than the other 3 rounds. that's the most stupid argument i've heard someone make
@@medzo8193 not really arguing for the decision just explaining the stance. I personally had the third round a wash, one point either way, with the first two and last two being non-debatable*.
Reyes should have deliberately lost the first three rounds, then came on strong the last two, according to Joe's school fight logic.
Lmao
He worded it badly but it makes sense. It should have been split decision, not unanimous, but Joe is saying you need to finish strong. Throwing everything you have in the first couple rounds can be cool, but if you get outmatched in the later rounds when fatigue sets in and you have to be a tactical fighter and you cant keep up the judges will always lean towards a fighter that was more dominant late in the fight rather than early.
Ian what are you saying? Do you not understand what a split decision and unanimous means?
@@harmonyinone Jon didn't really put it on him though. He got takedowns but they were short lived and yes he pressured those last 2 rounds. But he lost 3 rounds clearly and if you judge the fight as a whole, Jon lost. He didn't win the 2 rounds in the dominant fashion that Dominic did
agreed agreed agreed, so glad you said it.
3 out of 5. Reyes. He won. Was robbed. Take downs count for points but do no damage. He never put Reyes on his back. Nor could he flatten him. Reyes escapes. Didn’t stay down long. Reyes dominated the standup. So what happened? Jones wins??? Cmon man.
He also rocked Jones in the 4th round. I personallt had Reyes winning 4 rounds.
werthy is my name It was too close of a fight to be a robbery you casual. It was razor close. Many people believe Reyes won. To call it a robbery though shows how little you know about the fight game
Alexander Hayward I personally felt that the 4th was very close between the Reyes and Jones. Even in the beginning of the 4th Dom controlled it for a bit.
Close fight not a robbery bro. Kampman vs Sanchez was a robbery, sonnen vs bisping were robberies.
I like how everyone says "well JBJ couldn't keep him down! He couldn't do any damage!"
Well did Dom do any damage to JBJ with his strikes? No. I'm using your logic here.
Joe: comes in with a flying knee. Who tf does that?
Masvidal: Am I a joke to you?
Out of context
Masdival closed with a flying knee
No, Masvidal is a joke to everyone
Ben Askren was no Shogun Rua
Lol jon did it at 23 and for the title. Like you sound dumb af
No one ever mentions how discipline Jon is when it comes to not dropping his hands. He always has that one hand up covering his chin. That’s what amazes me.
Steroid-ass
@You Wish you should coach him, I'm sure you know more about that than Jon
@You Wish I'm sure a world champ like yourself can teach so many people all that you know. lol
And the other hand? With the six inch spikes protruding in front of his opponent’s eyes.
its primed so he can poke cunts in the eye at any moment
Joe has a crush on Jon. Hes never going to be able to look past it talking fights.
Juiceheads stick together
@@Traypeats Pretty much. Jon Jones will never lose a split decision.
jon also beat Reyes so there's that too
@Big Cat yea okay. if u think Reyes won u literally dont know a thing about MMA at all
Duh, he's a fan of high level mma/combat sports
By Joe’s logic Reyes should just wait till the last round to start fighting hard. Fact is Reyes won 15/25 mins of the fight. Clear winner.
This idea of "championship rounds" being different or worth more is ridiculous. Just an excuse for the Jones fan boys to defend his undeserved win
2 rounds out of 5 ok he would have to get easy 4 to 1 win in rounds and he did not
I gave him 2,4,5 personally rounds 2 and 3 were alot closer than everyone says imo
@@andrewmurray5409 I find that surprising, round 2 was actually one of Reyes most dominant rounds. He out struck Jones more in round 2 than any other round. If anything round 3 is the round that I can see some people maybe arguing in Jones favour although I would still disagree with it
It wasn't clear or else Reyes would be champion.... alot of people who have rewatched the fight are changing their stance on the 3rd round. A lot of punches Reyes threw in the 3rd actually missed.
I think the only way to know forsure who won is to have a rematch.
Joe “schoolyard rules should be in UFC” Rogan.
I’ll pray for you joe hogan
Ya'll can't stand the truth
Edgy brah
@CHARLIEBOY SALDIVAR XIII a lot of people be unsubing because Rogan is actually so bias and its obvious Reyes beat jon 4-
1 or 3-2 ...Reyes the man.
@@kanyeeast3203 We know truth Jon got owned and Reyes is the champ
shel 001 I was refering to Eddie Bravo, idk what yall talking bout
Joe “if this was the year 49BC Jones would’ve won with a sword” Rogan
What? He made a great point, if that fight was to continue jon would easily get the finish...i had reyes winning 3-2 but like many others feel it was close and coulda went either way..biggest takeaway was those championship rounds which were dominated by the champ.
Durand Peavley I’m pretty sure a sword fight wouldn’t even last 1 round.. wtf are you smoking ? Lol
@@jonathanguzman2648 i never said anything about a sword, so who is really smoking? 😤
@@ddp5406 I was even thinking of the point joe made but thought it sounded silly. but it is a very good point. if it were to go on there is a clear winner in that fight. round 6 or 7 reyes would have been finished. which sounds silly sure but that 5th round is the last impression youre leaving for judges fans etc and jon dominated round 5.
Durand Peavley mans talking about 49 BC and you really talking on here serious 😂. Fights should be about who dominated more though. You and i know Jones should not be the champ. What is the point about having the other rounds if the last 2 are the only ones that count? That’s a slap to the fighters face. Work so hard to end up basically saying, fuck those rounds only 2 matter. That’s wrong man.
What’s the point in mentioning if the fight was to the death or school yard fights? That’s not what the rules are. It’s a 5 round fight, each round scored separately. Seems like these “experts” are looking to excuse the decision. Reyes won!
Exactly! It was a very dumb point to bring up. Lets just go back to UFC 1 rules in that case. You cant take rounds off in any combat sport. Even in a 12 round fight. Points are so important, and you never know what the hell the judges are seeing out there.
He was just pointing out the fact that when the fight was over Jones was the fresher fighter meaning dominick didn't damage jones enough in the said first three rounds. He's standing on even grounds.
Stop vilifying Joe to make it seem like everyone was and is still plotting for jones.
Idle Class Hero Joe is cool people but he doesn’t always have the perfect logic. What does looking fresher mean if the man was landing still? Some people are better at absorbing punishment. Reyes landed more every round. Being fresh doesn’t equal a win.
Joe "But in the school yard" Rogan
Daniel Batancs lol. Wasn’t that how pride used to score their fights ?
@@roundboxfitness3588 yup, pride used to judge fights as a whole which was their reasoning for the 10 min first round. One FC has been starting to experiment with the same type of judging.
Wack. Come up with something new. 👎👎
If it was a school yard, there wouldn't be rounds for fighters to regain composure and catch their breath. Whoever had momentum in the first round most likely would have ended the fight since it is only one round. So that is a false premise.
6:40 Rogan with Juice Jones balls in his mouth.
But he could have been right.....
You're right Joe, that is indeed a dumb way to think about it.
yeah, when you are fighting in school, there are no rounds, no rules, no judges
Found the Jones hater!
@@captdaddy this is how you remind me, bro
lol yup, maybe if they had some weapons the fight would be different too, maybe if they fought with furniture and kept it real, it would be different, ya know?
You can’t call them the best fighters in the world if they don’t fight to the death. 🤷🏿♂️
K but it WASN'T a fight to the death, it was 5 rounds and Picoboy lost 3 of em.
lmao picoboy thats innovative
What the fuck were guys watching ?
@@anthonyramos9841 UFC 247
Reyes won the match, Jones won the fight
Jones won. The judges got it right
Reyes got robbed. Reyes clearly won the first 3 and the game is 5 ROUNDS! THE FIRST ROUND IS WORTH THE SAME AS THE 5TH! You can't just set certain rules and then judge the fights on different rules than those agreed upon! Come on Joe! What the actual fuck. Oh if the fight would've gone on longer, X person would've won... well, no shit... if you change the rules of the game after the game is over, of course you'd get a different outcome. You could say the same for any sport.
@mvphigh The rules don't say they count more. This shit ain't Pride
If you are going to judge a fight based on who won the last 2 rounds, then what's the point of the point system then? The reason we have points is because without a KO/TKO, the winner would be decided based on how many rounds they won. So to decide the winner based on who won the 4th and 5th round just discredits the whole point of a point system completely
Joe “ohhhh he’s hurt, he’s hurt, he hurt him badly” Rogan
Gr33zzy28 lmaoooo
Joe “ don’t quote me “ Rogan
Fly eagles fly
Nick that’s debatable the third round was the closest one
I also noticed that gaffe!!! Sometimes Joe talks a bit of rubbish
Draw
The last round should be 10-8 for jones
Just saying how are you cutting Rashad off right when he's talking about real shit. I know you can watch the full episode but you could've ended it sooner dependent on the title of the cliip
“Mindset” and “able to take shots” doesn’t win you a fight lol
Aparently it does 😝😝😄
Yeah, Jones and Rocky both did it. Only difference is that Rocky actually ended the fight 🤣
You’re not getting what he’s saying. He’s saying it was a super close fight so Jon’s ability to push the action late in the fourth and fifth when his opponent couldn’t is the mentality of a champion and shows he’s the better fighter and deserves to be the champ. If it’s a close fight and the challenger can’t dig deep and keep up the fight and the champ does, then the he’s better than the challenger. If that third round had been more dominant by Reyes than he would have gotten the decision but I don’t think a fighter should be able to win three and then fade off and just survive and still win a fight. Jon may have lost the first three but he never stopped pressuring and trying to win but Dominic dropped off in the end unlike the champ. Dom is not the quality of fighter Jon is.
William Akerstrom THANK YOU! Someone who gets it and is not bias, there’s too many butthurt bitches in the comments and you have perfectly explained it
William Akerstrom I get what you’re saying but ufc fights are not scored that way nor should they. It’s 5 rounds, 10 point score system, and you tally up the scores in the end. You win more rounds, you win the fight. That simple. Reyes won 3, Jon 2. This isn’t street rules or “last shot wins” like they do at the park. It’s a score that’s kept. Every round is important, Jon got beat up for most of the fight (3-2) and thus should be declared the loser. This whole “if it would’ve gone 10 rounds” crap like Rogan said is irrelevant because it’s not part of the rules. 5 rounds, score the rounds, add it up, declare a winner. Simple.
Joe “Johnny bones” rogan
Jo "b.js legs are like arms"rogan
I liked Jon fights when he was on coke. They need to let Jon hit some coke and have a few beers a couple days before the fight
Jones on coke, steroids, paid judges, the dude is unstoppable. UFC will still give him the title bcuz he is a marketable fighter. Aka McGregor. UFC has become a joke now bro
When Jones was slamming into pregnant women with his car, He was unstoppable.
its the vegan bullshit, no aggression. the fighters are fools
@@samaragon2923 lol you butthurt haters are delusional. You're ignoring all of Jones high IQ and skills. Typical hater can never give credit.
Coke gives depression
Whether it's hit and run, steriods, or score cards, they'll always have different rules for jon jones.
Or the actual Fight rules with eyepokes
You’ve never made a mistake ever and are the perfect human, we applaud you
@@thebubbclub that doesn't make sense he is allowed to constantly break any and all rules but it is okay because Nobody is perfect Sure...
Crosseyed Butterfly them eye pokes ain’t mistakes
@@bigtreecombatacademy2927 those picopictograms ain't either
Rashad “Blissful ignorance” Evans
Eanna O'Toole wtf does that mean? Stupid ass comment
Lmao I get it....
Maurice Jenkins thank you. That shit with the quotes in between the name is played out and frankly i hate it.
I thought the saying goes "ignorance is bliss". So I guess that's where he gets blissful ignorance.
Steve “that shit with the quotes in between the name is played out” Nobles
With Joe's logic of the 4th and 5th being weighed more then we should just make them 1 Rd fights then
@MrCactus doesn't matter, he won 3 rounds and jones won 2. If it was a street fight then Jon wins cause he dominated at the end but this is mma where each round carries the same weight. Reyes won 3 Jons 2.3 rounds is more than 2 so Reyes should've been the champ.
@MrCactus if the last two rounds count more then why tf dont fighters stall the first 3 rounds?
Joe is acting like a fanboy in this analysis.
"If it was a fight to the death.. the last rounds should count more"... Ummm but it's not though ....
@@zubairallawi1206 Nope wining a very close round doesnt not equal to stomping a round
if it was 10 rounds jones would have won, is the most stupid argument ever....
No shit
Lol you are right
Moe nobody said that’s why he won, but in a real fight yes jones would’ve killed him
@@thebubbclub yeah but who cares, its not a real fight, and its not 10 rounds
@@thebubbclub and in a basketball match reyes would have won, its not relevant to a 5 round MMA fight
There is no logical reason why any one round should be weighed more than the other. Quit making up excuses for Jones losing lol
Jones won the 2nd round, watch it again
@@PokerBits hahahahashsh
Jon won round 3,4,5 🤷🏼♂️
All he is saying is that in a fight that is so close the person who won the last 2 rounds (championship rounds) should get the advantage in the decision if its a close call
If you want to be a champion you need to bring it all 5 rounds and not gas out after the 3rd
Everyone in mma fights 3 rounds but only the greatest have the ability to go the distance for 5
Thats the difference
I thought Jon won but creating hypothetical situations to justify it is crazy. If it’s a sport you should be graded on performance not “what would’ve happened on a schoolyard”
Standing in the middle of the cage and taking punches is pressing the action.
U stole my comment i was saying that from the beginning
He was walking forward stocking Reyes
jonmacist John and Reyes was Chin checking him for 3 rounds straight and stuffed his takedowns. Jones lost this one man
@@kevinarzola4781 nah lol you're wrong buddy
Kevin Arzola nah definitely a draw
Imagine telling a fighter "hey, it's a pretty simple sport. You can win by either finishing your opponent, or securing three rounds."
"Okay cool, so what about my opponent?"
"Oh, he doesnt have yo do either of those things. He just has to look really good at the end of the fight. And if he has an excellent body of work, they count that for him too. And if we pretend in our heads that it's a fight to the death on the street and we think he would have eventually killed you, then he gets credit for that too. And if we feel like he's REALLY the better fighter, and that he would definitely win a rematch, then that counts for him also. GOOD LUCK OUT THERE KID!!"
Reyes secured three rounds against the greatest of all time. Everything else is noise. They should have given him the belt.
Reyes was just throwing hands like a drunk man
Lmao reyes ran away for more than 3 rounds
You cant be a champion if you got destroyed on the championship rounds
@@fgc1850what rules state that? The championship rounds are not more significant that the first 3 that’s not a rule
@@fgc1850you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about
If Dana White himself thinks Jones lost, you know he lost.
He never said that
@@mikey2555 he said he had it 3:2 for reyes
@@mikey2555 yes he did , he thought Reyes won watch the post fight press conference
FP lol wtf... Dana whites opinion doesn’t matter
@@mikey2555 Dana literally said exactly that... same with Ariel Helwani, Brendan Schaub and most of the mma community..... but you do you boo
I know this is unrelated, but i feel like Joe should get Tony Hawk on his podcast
That'd be a pretty cool podcast.
He definitely should.
Definitely a cool idea.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Boss And Norm MacDonald (unrelated, also)!
I just watched a 14 minute video , and didn’t get a definitive answer as to who joe thought won the fight lol.
Because he's been bought. He has no more objectivity or character. Another corrupt liar.
Justin Lee deep lmao
Because he's a real fan. He's not claiming to be a referee.
"...and behind him, his blood made an NBC Peacock..."
I believe he did explain his answer...you weren’t listening on
When Jones loses his first fight Joe will say.... Well if the fight went on for another 2 hours I think there's a great chance Jon gets the better of him. Rogan has always loved Jones too much to have any objective opinion about him.
@Iwhbyd Good thing rounds are timed then.
Well who's beating Jones
@@ELITEmyfrat Reyes ate him for breakfast but the judges still gave Jones the win 100% rigged
@@mountainjews he didnt eat him for me jones won the second the 4th and the 5th round, reyes was arguably the best opponent jones has ever fought but after that Reyes has lost 3 fights
Arguably Roe Jogan here was fairly objective pointing out the suspiscious judge and that most people feel like Reyes won three rounds, need ref help to be the GOAT though
Joe "it doesn't matter that a person was winning for 3 full rounds, but the last 2 rounds only matter" Rogan
He's a fucking idiot 🤣🙂
you both are fucking idiots. it doesnt matters how it starts, but how it ends.
Baraa Amir nah it’s a good point that’s the reason they call it championship rounds. They should count more.
@@hksel You're an idiot. Do you know anything?
They don’t have to count more. The judge can score the final round 10-8. The rules already accommodate weighting the later rounds more, just up to the judges
Joe Rogan moving the goal posts , just like when he gets called out and then says, " I'm a comedian", IF Reyes had lost the first three rounds to Jones and then won last two, Rogan would be going nuts.
Nah he would say well Jon won 3 rounds the championship rounds don't count more because it's a championship fight. Round 1 means as much as round 5. That's exactly what he would say
@@dannyholder9711 that's how it should be and is for everyone else
Jeffery Wiser So why isn’t Joe going to bat for Reyes?
Jeffery Wiser You understand Joe was arguing that the “championship rounds” are more valuable. Try listening again?
and stillllllll
Rashad “blissful ignorance” Evans.
👉👌
👉👌
Rashad is a wonderful human. The guy is a beast, yet he is soft spoken and actively committed to becoming a better person. Respect.
Joe “ Hell of a chin, Hell of a chin, Hell of a chin “ Rogan
Aka Jones getting hit
I read this comment before I watched the video then when I watched it and he said hell of a chin 3 three I was dying laughing
Jon Jones has muscles but I have more muscles that's why I am famous on RUclips and he is not
@@moneymike5742 You were drying? O yeah, I'll be drying too.
Adam Quinn typo bitch boy
That awkward moment when two of the judges gave the second round to Jon.
Shiggystardust sounds like they made the scores before the fight even happened
That awkward moment when Joe Rogan agrees with Kavanaghs dumb af tweet that he even prefaced with "I know I shouldn't do this, but"
49-46 🤣🤮
Jack Attack funny that kavanagh said that considering how connor looked against Nate at round 5
I thought that was nuts. No matter how you look at it Reyes won the second.
Only issue with “to the death” is we already have breaks in between rounds. Without getting a break Jones could have been done early. You can’t say “to the death” but give losing fighter a break every few minutes.
"To the death" but no eye gouging and kicking people in the head while theyre down. Theres a reason we have a set of rules and why we treat this as a sport instead of viewing it as a fight to the death.
Good ish!!!
You are also giving the winning fighter minutes of rest to continue pressing too. Flawed comment
If you can’t see what he means you’re an idiot, maybe try getting in the cage and say that. It’s still to the death, no matter if there are some rules, the goal is still to do as much damage as possible to the opponent.. knees and flying knees, elbows and kicks and even punches to the head can all kill. Just because there are rounds and some rules, it doesn’t remove much of the danger. The fact remains that 2 people still are literally trying to kill each other until the last bell.
@@djandrewification not to mention can you imagine how there would be pretty much no grappling? People would just grab and twist skin lol might be a good thing
The one issue I have with the 'to the death scenario' is that if there's no breaks between rounds, Reyes would not have stopped and could have killed Jon in the first 15 minutes. The bell is all that stopped Reyes from continuing to go to town on Jon.
the other problem is that fighter fights with number of rounds being in mind. you can't make the argument 'for the death' if there is predefined number of rounds that fighter take into consideration with his strategy.
@@tttyyy949 just do a 25 minute fight with no breaks
Like Apollo Creed said in Rocky 2 "I won, but I didn't beat him!" Jones won, but didn't beat Reyes!
That's fucking perfect lol.
NICE
Jon neither won or beat him lol
Im sure Jones’ hate mail telling him to go kill himself are en route as we type.
The exact quote that popped in my head on Saturday.
Scores should be officially submitted at the end of each round and displayed for everyone to see
vincent zuhowsky pretty sure they’re doing that on the next card
@@Anth999 source?
vincent zuhowsky max holloway said the same and i believe everybody who likes fighters would agree
But that takes away the drama from the "annnnnnd still" vs the "annnnnnd new" announcement.
That would make decisions so boring because you would already know who won...
Tony Ferguson the type of guy to age horizontally
anybody can play the "what if" scenario but at the end of the day the contest was 5 rounds and the scores did not reflect what we saw and Reyes absolutely won by scoring. You cant predict what would have happened in the 10th round if they kept going all you want. Maybe Reyes would have turned it up a notch who knows. Thats why the "what if" scenario is a great talking point but not reality.
Reyes lost the late 2 rounds....did you look at the stats? Reyes barely had most strikes or significant strikes and zero takedown attempts.
@@Themayseffect very true, he lost last 2 rounds but in my opinion, he won the 1st 3 rounds...do we look at this fight as scoring contest since no one got knocked out? Or who has the heart of a champion in the later rounds? Btw im not in any shape or form saying Jones was not impressive, he is a beast make no mistake abt that. But he lost the contest that night, in my opinion.
@@jeffreyabraham7051 Reyes was the toughest opponent Jones has had since Alex (the first fight)... so yea, it does make a strong case. But Reyes lost. I'm not the best person to argue though, i rarely ever call foul for scored fights "that go the wrong way" and certainly championship fights. If the challenger doesn't decisively beat the champion then i immediately rule it as a loss. Reyes did not even remotely "unanimously" win this fight. Looking at the Cody vs Dominic fight is a perfect example of the challenger unanimously winning a fight without a TKO/SUB. The fact the round 2,3 can be seen as open for interpretation here means this clearly that Reyes didn't win. Rd 3 could've been scored either way. Leaving only 1/2 as a win for Reyes and rd 4/5 as a clear loss. Reyes is younger and has less mileage and could not close out the fight.
@@Themayseffect here are the data i pulled on the fight. Reyes landed 23 of 59 punches (38%) compared to Jones landing 17 of 27 (62%) in round one. In the second, Reyes landed 33 of 68 (48%) against Jones' contribution of 22 from 37 (59%). And, in the third, Reyes again landed more with 26 of 45 (57%) while Jones landed 19 of 34 (55%).
It was only in the fourth when Jones snatched the momentum, landing 20 of 34 (58%) compared to Reyes who landed 13 of 41 (31%). In the fifth, Jones landed 26 from 34 strike attempts (76%) compared to Reyes who landed 21 from 46 (45%).
@@jeffreyabraham7051 not sure what this is supposed to prove.... All it shows is that Reyes never dominated the fight...This doesn't account for Octagon control, takedown attempts, significant strikes or head/body/leg strikes.