@@Boebuscuse oh yeah its easy to have zero flows when u only have 29 fights/wins in the hardest devision in the ufc yeah?? If its that easy then lets see u try it tough guy.
Names beat, and you fangirl know. It. Jones is a bum imo but hes beat better people. If jones runs thru heavy weight and no more ped fails. Hes the goat
I agree Jon Jones is by far the greatest example in MMA. Won every fight clean while everyone was in steroids. Takes good care of his wife and children. And even prevented a premature baby from being born by crashing into the lady’s car.. Should win the Nobel Prize in my opinion
Jones doesn't train and still beats his opponents, Khabib tells his opponents for months exactly what he's gonna do and still makes it look like they never knew what was coming.
Same Weight doesn’t matter much bro...if he would've fought all the fights with the same height of opponents as him, he would've lost more than one Rayes fight was very disputed.. But khabib didn’t lost more than maybe 1 or 2 round in his entire 29...but jones lost many of them in his 26..
@@rezwanislam8061 that is a weird point to argue but I'm not comparing Khabib to be the inferior fighter to Jones here. Khabib easily the goat of his division
@James Franko every pro fighter does weight cuts and you cant compare khabibs dominance with jones'. Khabib beat up the best of the division like they owed him money lol
@James Franko He walks around the same weight as Tony does....? And when he cuts water weight it is usually 15 pounds...You guys really love making excuses constantly..Its quite pathetic.
@James Franko Khabib walks at 190-195 max if he is not training...Tony walks between 185-200.....Explain that buddy...Would love to hear your response 😂
@James Franko He hasn’t missed weight since he has gotten a nutritionist......Tony is still walking at 190 mate.....Stop lying ffs its quite pathetic. Khabib said it himself and Javier Mendez stated that Khabib walks at 85-87kg....
He has openly admitted that a big part of him not training for fights was to be able to tell himself if he were to lose that it was because he didn’t train
Mike tyson knows about that. All the major fights he lost he didnt train for or was under a bad influence whether it be the influence of a other person or a drug. If he ever lost his way... he never would have lost until much later in his career.
How people forget Anderson Silva's reign is really beyond me. The highlight reel ko's over and over vs very good competition AND he wasn't afraid to fight at LHW. Making very good fighters look novice. Not to mention the short notice fight after his prime vs a prime DC who wanted absolutely nothing to do with Silva's standup. Also his recent success in a totally different discipline (boxing) vs a former legitimate prize fighter. Still holds the record for most consecutive title defenses and the manner in which he did it.
Yeah but Anderson Silva lost his shine as soon as he got knocked out by Weidman then lost again to him then went on to lose to Adesanya, DC, Cannonier, Bisping, Hall & even got popped for steroids after the Diaz fight. Finished his mma career with 11 losses. Khabib is perfect at 29-0, NEVER failed a drug test, NEVER lost a fight!
Not sure about you but the majority of the mma community is disappointed with him after he popped for steroids. Also it of course makes you think that since most of his dominance was pre-USADA, it's easy to say that he was most probably roided during those times as well. It's also why people forget about GSP as well (the running away from big rig didn't do him any favors either).
I believe that if Khabib had not retired, he would have continued to dominate his division and defeat any fighter who challenged him for many years to come, as he had already proven his abilities in his impressive undefeated record. This was also evident in the recent performance of Islam Makhachev, who showed his strength by defeating Oliveira, a highly hyped fighter at the time.
Yeah lol people complain he didn't beat enough top guys... Who was left? Charles? After what Islam did I believe Khabib does similar... Tony... Well after gaetjhe Tony doesn't look so good so khabib wins... And then? Chandler? Doubt Khabib woukd have had an issue... So why do we doubt he's one of the greatest
Not exactly. While khabib may have had more in him when he retired but not enough to gap jones. Jones has shown a very diverse style and he doesn’t just fight the best strikers. He fights the best. Jon is on a whole different level. In conclusion Jon bones is the best. Khabib could have gotten close if he didn’t retire.
Nah buddy shoulda coulda woulda. I believe Khabib was getting knocked tf out in his next fight by guys who actually present the threat of grappling also. HE DIDNT FIGHT OLIVEIRA CHANDLER OR DARIUSH. You don’t just give him those wins. Ducked Tony his whole career
@@bengough6772it really doesnt matter though, he retired early so it is all just speculation. It means as much as me saying “Khabib would have been the greatest gladiator alive if he was Roman”. Meanwhile we can prove Jons, GSP, and Andersons dominance. He just didnt prove himself, especially with those dozens of wins he got in those weird two round russian mma matches against cab drivers and streetsweepers. I like Khabib but he is always going to be the biggest “what if”. And dont sleep on Chandler and Oliveira, those dudes probably have the most threatening atylistic matchups for a wrestler like khabib. Chandler never fails to keep the fight standing with his insane explosive wrestling and striking, and oliveira has proven he can submit just about anyone from anywhere. Khabib is definetely a different beast but I believe they had a better chance than most people let on.
@@healthywealthy4620 I think dom saying that was insinuating Conor couldn’t do anything, he just worded it that way, he’s trying to tire him out cause he doesn’t think he has any other options
Cruz’s point was just that if Conor is in a position where he is reletively safe (by repetively safe I mean covering up) and he has no where to go, then he might as well just try and tire Khabib out.
@@ahorse7884 that doesn't mean he's trying to gas Khabib out, that means he's defending himself. Gasing out is something you do on purpose and I hardly believe that conor put himself into that situation so that Khabib gets tired. That's ridiculous
the only fighter in MMA history to win all his fights without a single scratch on his face from the start to retirement no blood , no injury ,nothing !!! the only one to do it , the true GOAT KHabib the eagle
Not really lol. Poirier and Eddie Alvarez starched gaethje and it’s a known fact Justin only a white belt in jiu jitsu. Lmfaooo he’s a c+ fighter at best. Conor would have rearranged his facial structure. People gas Justin cuz he beat up Tony who has zero boxing skills pretty much and uses a wing Chung dummy to train. Tony just stood there with no head movement and a granite chin. Justin is alright. He loses to poirier , mcgregor, Khabib , every time .
@@ctc1996 I’m sorry friend if you’re gonna sit there and claim that both Dustin porier (whom I like btw) and Eddie Alvarez are better than Tony Ferguson then ur gonna need some pretty impressive points to back that argument up lol. Ferguson is a one of a kind fighter and most ppl know that. Ppl were psyching up Gaethje because he slaughtered Ferguson, and no one has done that before, so yeah, that’s is something to be impressed about. And even before that all of his fights were always competitive and thrilling to watch honestly. He did lose. But he lost in good fights and learned from them. And finally the icing on top was Gaethjes world class wrestling. Khabib is a wrestler, he had never fought anyone in the UFC who was also a decorated wrestler. That is why the hype for Gaethje was real. And his ass beating from khabib says nothing about Gaethje and everything about khabib. Gaethje didn’t lose because he isn’t good. He lost because khabib is practically indestructible. Gaethje gave him some staggeringly hard hits and khabib brushed them off like it was nothing. And then he outclassed a world class wrestler in seconds. The dude is next fucking level. I don’t I know of anyone who could beat him. But I would’ve loved to see Ferguson get that chance too.
@@jessiejoy1703 “people were hyping Justin bc he slaughtered gaethje which never been done before” um yes it had been done before. Michael Johnson beat Tony already. Listen dude I love Tony but boxing and straight up hand to hand is not his best attributes and that’s no secret. He got dropped by lando venatta and Anthony pettis.
I'm an extreme MMA Casual, but I swear this is the first sport I've seen where a guy got caught cheating but a large contingent of the fanbase still puts him in the GOAT category. Crazy stuff
Recency bias is a very good point, I really like what GSP said about the GOATs, when Silva was going through the MW division he was the GOAT, when Jones beat DC in the rematch he was the GOAT, and now that Khabib has retired on top he's the GOAT.
@@anomalocaris7869 you can... just gotta look at the division talent and how the fighter dominated is division or multiple. Khabib as DOMINATED is division but never went up or down. But he probably lost 1 or 2 rounds in is whole career. Jon Jones is probably most accomplished but is character issues keeps him away from the goat debate IMO. Silva in is prime was unstoppable... but kept fighting past is prime and lost a lot since. GSP is the OG goat, the only flaw in is career was that hendricks fight but Hendricks was juiced the fuck up. Hendricks never was the same since USADA. GsP than cameback after a few years and won the championship in a division above... If Jones goes a division above and wins, he will be greatest no doubt
Khabib is not only undefeated but never bled! Almost everyone I know has bled and no one in mma is not only undefeated but has also never bled, no one as far as I know, except Khabib. I have gotten more hurt by myself, tripping or being clumsy, than khabib has in his career.
Never bleeding has nothing to do with whose the greatest of all time. You can tell who all the new age MMA fans are. Most have never watched a fight pre 2015. Khabib is in the conversation, but I'll take GSP's and Jon Jones resumes. Also, both Jones and GSP have moved weight classes and didn't suffer any drop in performance. Jones was banging coke lines and partying 6 nights a week, while still beating greats.
@@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405 idk how snorting coke makes you the greatest of all time? Like cocaine doesn’t worsen your performance much, what a stupid ass argument
@@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405 I get what you're saying. I think recents are judging decision Jon Jones. They don't recall Jons days of nobody having a chance. If Jon had taken things as serious as a Khabib does who even knows what he would've done.
@@jollyface5986 Less that is lessens performance but rather he was partying when somebody else would be training. He was/is that good that he can do shit like that and still never truly lose in his career. It makes you wonder what his performances would have been/be if he had a Khabib work ethic.
Jon jones , youngest ever champ , 5 former champs , 1 former double champ, 6 Hall of famers , most title defences , fought 2 fights in one month and one of those fights was for his first title shot . Jones has more title fights then khabib has in the ufc . Khabib has 5 fights in the top 10 , RDA that lost to cowboy in a grappling match , Michael Johnson a known loser same with barboza , Al iaquinta a last minute replacement , a conor out for 2 years and drunk on whiskey . His only legit fights were dustin and justin . His not the goat. Gsp dominated the ww division and after years off the sport went up to middle weight and beat the champ , Henry cejudo best DJ , TJ , Cruz , Marlon and is a double champ , usman beat masvidal twice , colby , tyron woodley, Gilbert burns , RDA , Demian maia , Leon Edwards is on the way to pass khabib if not already same with Israel best vettori , Brunson , kelvin gastelum , whitteker , Yoel and Paulo Costa. . There's amanda nunes the only fighter to defend two belts beat germaine de randamine twice , valentina twice , ronda , Holly Holmes, misha , cyborg. Daniel comier beat Anthony Johnson twice , Gustafsson , Anderson Silva , Dan Henderson , went up in weight best the most successful heavyweight stipe and Derrick lewis .
@@ayrtoncordeiro3898 he is a proven cheater. Like my man said. Debate over. Not to mention he's seriously struggled in some fights. Almost got tapped by Vitor, his fights with Reyes and Gus could have gone either way he got beat up badly in both of those against guys that went on to get viciously knocked out afterwards. Khabib has made every opponent look amateur. Also, dude fought some killers in UFC. Tf you talking about? Not to mention how much better of a person he is than Jones. The coke head cheat who drives drunk, plows into pregnant ladies and tries to flee the scene and acts like a delinquent thug towards law enforcement. A proven liar with a narcissist personality. Imo it's not even a debate and this is coming from a guy who ALWAYS sides/cheers the American over Russian fighters. I refuse to deny reality. Khabib is hands down the fkng goat. Point blank period....
One day we’ll tell a story of a wrestling guy from a mountain who beat the world best fighters, stay unbeaten and returned to his village to serve his mother. A story that looks like it was ripped straight out of the pages of a fairytale book, and had it not been for the videos proving it, people would have not believed it.
@@NickyTmathew except that'll make it that much better, coming back to finish his father's dream of 30-0, retire and start his own gyms and be in corner of his friends he trained with, Umar, Islam etc
Jones is out of the conversation now, he had his chance to be the GOAT, and decided to cheat. GSP is IMO the GOAT of the UFC w/ Khabib being on his tail.
JON JONES IS THE GOAT he didn’t even train for some fights and still managed to ko the best in the world out. DONT JUST PUT THE MANS CONS UP THERE U CAN TAKE A GUY WITH A UNDEFEATED RECORD OFF THE GOAT CONVERSATION
@@ajosh4430 if you were proven to be on steroids or drugs during a fight or leading up to a fight, your record is invalid. Who’s to say most of his fights weren’t dosed? Look at TJ Dillashaw, the only reason he had such good endurance in most fights was because of a drug.
@@TheRealJohnMadden Irrelevant to his resume. I hate jon and think peds steal his goat, but anderson popped too he is a goat. Khabib is 13-0 and 3 defenses. Not goat numbers
@@kylleepstein6954what’s worse getting caught for drugs or cleaning out a division and retiring who’s to say JJ wasn’t on drugs during his best performances which invalidates or doubts his whole career but for khabib to never get cut bruised or bleed in 13 ufc fights is craZy and never lose a round that’s goat like behaviour
@@Viwer_____ a lot of fighters get caught more than once. GSP and Khabib have been found to be clean all throughout. coincidently those 2 is the argument. With Jones an easy negatition is PEDs.
Thats what i love about khabib like with mcgregor, he didnt run his mouth. He just went in and proved himself. Beautiful. Sportmanship outclasses any other mentality because you arent going in to just win, you are going in to be strategically intelligent with each move, being all around. You cant come in with one mind mentality and expect to be the best, you have to structure yourself to be all around, heart, soul, physicality and body.
@@davideatherly4231 that was super necessary......before that fight....dana and conor planned the bus attack for promotion....watch khabib's interview...he said it was a inside job.... that's why what khabib did after fight was super necessary
@@cartoonsinhindi1023 lol inside job? What a dork. The reason Conor did that was because khabib and his boys jumped one of Conor’s friends and he jumped on a plane with 20 goons the moment he found out. Then the bus attack happened.
You also forgot to say that khabib was THAT dominant against gaethje with a broken foot and his coach said he didn't train for like 3 weeks during camp because he was so sick
5:51 Smart insight here by Luke into the situation, he was able to accurately predict the future about Jones' eventual transition to hw and how many would hail Jones as the ud goat if he won his hw fight Fast forward a couple years after this interview and the gane fight takes place, and exactly what he predicted happened, Luke's a smart guy, I definitely respect his mind
@@hakimdarroudi7428 gsp is 100% the goat. He dominated the two people he lost to. Khabib hasn’t go the better resume than him either yes he’s more dominant but has only 3 title defences. Jon Jones is a cheater and has also got a couple fights that he arguably lost
@@hakimdarroudi7428 only Hendrix was controversial, he won against Penn in the rematch without any doubt. Jones is sitting on a lot of split decisions... (with PeDs)
@@jean-christopherouleau1626 Penn first fight... khabib has arguably never lost a round in a bad way. Gsp got destroyed by serra and Hendricks (the cheater) banged him... gsp in the top but not the goat
Tibau🤔 Jones never miss weight .🤔 Khabib never fight vs BJJ specialist like Tony. Khabib fear to go his own weightclass he need to do abnormal weightcut . Jones still flawless illegal tec is just a joke.
I love Khabib, he beats great fighters but Jon has beat legends & undisputed future hall of famers or guys with great records up til their fight. The run up before his title fight against Shogun, not counting his journeyman fights, his opponents with the worst records were Vera @11-4, Hamill @ 6-2, Bader 12-0, Bonnar 12-4. After those, he tore thru the legends...
i just dont get how his name can come up at all when hes a proven cheat, doesnt that put into question his whole career? to me it makes his entire career null and void
@@toptiertech7291 and on top of that new usada rules clear him. and also everyone is on gear some just dont get caught.. and even if you say that.. USADA's New rules would have cleared him.. He also beat vitor belfort who was on steroids
@@ABeastGamingit's awful how everyone defends a known cheater. At any rate, Khabib was unquestionably not on anything. So that would make his accomplishments even more impressive considering his opposition, according to you, was most likely on stuff. I can't take Jones seriously because he cheated. And I can't understand why even before the new USADA rules, it STILL wasn't brought up. The media is protecting Jones and that's not okay.
Habib is not so humble when it comes to islam. When those terrorists beheaded people in France he didn't say one word about it, but he did say that Macron must be punished for saying "bAd WoRds" about islam.
@@findingmyway93 Khabib has extremely good defensive stand up. His offensive stand up needs work but it is very good for its intended purpose of pushing fighters back and opening up the takedown.
I can understand that Justin landed some shots but Khabib put the pressure in that round and also took him down I just dont see how Justin got it, that said I dont know why it matters that much since Khabib finished him with a beautiful triangle
Jon jones is without a doubt a Great Fighter, but as he said Khabib was just flawless... i mean i just recently had my Khabib Full Story dose were i rewatched his start and end of his fighting carrer and there is no other word as Flawless... he is simply a different Animal, he fought against the Top Fighters and made it look like it was nothing! He dominated every round, he is respectful and humble. Befor Khabib i always hated it when Fighters started Grappling and Submissions, but seeing him do it, was like a work of Art, just like his Punches and Kicks and now i wish for that and hope to see another artist at work. Khabib was for me the first Fighter who was perfectly balanced and was not only great in all aspects, it also looked great, from Grappling to Hand to Feet Combat, Great intuition, huge Stamina and endurance, i mean he never sat down after each round against Mcregor, he escaped a Guillotine choke just to Submission Poirier seconds after...thats crazy! Khabib is still the current Goat for me until someone else comes who exceeds those feats, but right now, to me that person has yet to come.
Jones has done it at heavyweight as well. He’s shown to be dominant on his feet, on the ground, and he did this against dudes jacked up on steroids and he wasn’t always at his best. Jones just does to much.
No way you complimented khabibs striking dude was pretty bad at that. He had a padded record in his early stage of his career and he only fought like 4 good opponents all being strikers. “That person is yet to come” Jon been there bruh
What i forget to mention on why Khabib still is the Goat and has a Flawless carrer to me, is his Character itself, he has the Character and Charisma of a Champion, he has the mentality and discipline to be a Champion, his humbleness and his wisdom, he is a man focus and sheer will, he is a true Role model for the People. I base a Champion a Goat in all their aspects, and if that person can make me start thinking after he said something wise. Thats something i never had of any ufc fighter and jones is far from it, they all lets say simple. When you become a Goat you become a role model, and all other fighters are the same when it comes to discipline and lifestyle, they were normal Guys like you and me doing Party and relax after a Fight, but not Khabib, and i admire extraordinary people.
Dude you're straight up lying. Silva never said Khabib was the greatest, he said he's his favorite fighter to watch. He LITERALLY said GSP is the greatest.
@@xrexi4366 Conor won that round on the judges score cards yes that's a fact but rewatch that round again. The amount of times conor cheated and didn't get called out for it is ridiculous. As far as that Justin round goes, c'mon, are we really holding these judges scorecards as the end all be all? How many ridiculous decisions have we seen by these judges. Rewatch Khabib v. Justin round 1 again and tell me if you truly believe Justin won the round
@@StaaaaNzHD Reyes, Gus 1 despite crack head jusges, and Santos are all arguable. They also didn't show up with roids in the system while Jones did. No matter how much Jon nutt huggers break it down, Jones has felt the need to cheat in most of his fights and barely beating non roided fighters doesn't gift you Goat status.
No recent bias, just facts.. Khabib dominated some of the best mixed martial artists in the sport, in the toughest weight division. He has never tested positive for any performance enhancing drugs. Not only is he one of the most skilled grappler, mixed martial artists, he is an honorable man with respect and dignity.
For that you have to fight upto age of 36 , jon jones is 36 still fighting and he became ufc champion at the age of 19, kjabib would have faced same situation if did fight at the age of 36
Jones has been in trouble in arm bar one time Khabib was rocked by michael johnson early Jones 11 title defences khabib 3 Its not even close octagon wise
@@ramoniglesiasdiaz3164 would hardly call it rocked. and anyway, jones took steroids and has been in trouble more times than khabib. he also has more controversial decisions than khabib
Jones is obviously highly skilled but I think what helped him gain a huge advantage over almost all opponents was his body frame. A combination of his height and possessing one of the longest reach in UFC. Even with the same weight, he's naturally much bigger than most people he faced. Jones snuggled most with opponents of similar body types like Dominick and Gus. Would be very interesting to see how he performs at heavyweight.
I honestly feel like jones' performance at heavyweight will decide this conversation. If he actually manages to outclass either stipe or ngannou he will have achieved too much.
@@Jordidwaard him beating ciryl gane in under 1 round is absolutely amazing.. Jones stopped fighting for 3 years moved up a weight class. fought someone who is probably bigger and a bit stronger than him. and still beat him so easily.. to the point that people are saying ciryl took a dive
Who is this guy and why have I never seen him before. So knowledgeable. Joe has that network. Seems like every friend and acquaintance this guy has is adding value to his life. Wish I had this ability to choose my friends so wisely. Respect.
Not Jon Jones, how the hell Joe just overlooks his cheating is BEYOND me Khabib said himself GSP is the GOAT. Can't be the goat with four title fights.
The fact that neither one of them brought up the PED record on Jon surprises me. Even Jon's earlier victories are now questionable since USADA wasn't in the picture than
You think none of Jones opponents were juiced when they fought Jones ? Wht abt vitor and Jones smashes him nobody argues that anderson Silva was one of the greatest middle weights of all time and he popped when he beat nick just say you hate Jones any non bias person knows Jones accomplishments dwarfs khabib it’s not a think about question
@@Negro.spiritual Nobody is calling Silva the goat either because of the same shit. We don't know if Jones opponents took PED either, EVEN if they did it don't matter. The fact remains Jon did and got caught multiple times once USADA came into picture. I don't hate Jon. He clearly has the best resume that I don't think anyone will ever top. But it's not a clean resume. So he needs to step out of the goat picture.
I don't understand how this is a discussion. HE'S A PROVEN CHEAT ! Jones and his fans don't seem to realise how bad that is. He shouldn't even be allowed in the sport let alone be the regarded as one of the best.
I agree to a degree.... I think there’s a lot of PEDs in MMA, just like Nick said. With that being said I think PEDs help, but you can’t take away wrestling pedigree, physical attitudes like height, and reach, AND fight IQ
GSP! Avenged his only 2 losses DOMINANTLY. Cleared out the entire welterweight division, then MOVED UP and won the Middleweight title against Bisping after 4 years out. GOAT.
@MambaMMA 24.2 GSP was advocating for doping tests for UFC fighters for years before USADA was brought in and even originally wanted much tougher and thorough testing than what USADA offers so how was he “running” from them exactly? Stop trying to slander one of the GOATS for no reason
My question is, why do we crucify guys like Tj Dillashaw and TRT Vitor for PEDs, but so often it gets minimized or avoided in the goat conversation with Jon Jones?
well i know people hate the chemistry involved but Dillashaw and Vitro were red red red hot while Jon Jones was right at the minimum threshold so if he was using we will never know because it falls withing the tainted supplement realm.
@@Underratedmen yes, specially the first time is the one im referring to. It was classic tainted supplement, the 2nd time of micro levels is what draws suspicion because he should have known better if it was tainted coke or supplements and he still popped
Not sure how the conversation is Khabib vs Jon Jones, Jon jones failed more drug tests than Khabib lost rounds that should automatically disqualify him from the GOAT. The conversation should be about Khabib vs GSP. Two respectable champions who respect each other, even Khabib himself says GSP is the greatest, GSP returns the respect these two are in the conversation not Jon ''Juicehead'' Jones.
It's because Jones needs to butt in and try to steal Khabib's shine, he's so salty that someone could possibly be better than him, whereas GSP has been extremely respectful and showed tons of praise to Khabib, and is actually humble enough to admit he's not the GOAT.
This is the best comment here. JJ is a trash star. Sure he accomplished a lot but nowhere near worth being considered the GOAT. The goat is more than a record. It's as much personality and earned respect as it is anything. Imagine Jordan being popped for all the shit JJ was. JJ needs to fight against his own character to convince weak minded fans that he is the best to ever do it. The real ones know what it was to watch GSP and Khabib truly own their sport and display an otherworldly level of dedication. Jon Jones was blessed with genetics and coming from a sports family and put his weight class on blast for years, no doubt. But his scumbag nature detracts from his legacy and IMO he is tarnished gold. Khabib and GSP are platinum.
It's because Jon Jones has had 16 world titles wrapped around his waist and Khabib has only had 4. Jon is still undefeated in the UFC, nobody has ever beaten him, he has only disqualified himself and had a no contest because of picograms of a steroid which Jeff novinsky said had no performance enhancing benefit and were caused by a tainted supplement that usada tested and proved that the supplement was tainted and it was consistent with what was found in Jon's body. The steroid excuse is just an excuse and a way for haters to discredit him. Jon's body of work literally dwarfs Khabib's. Khabib is not the first guy to have a 13 fight win streak in the UFC, Anderson Silva did it, GSP did it, Mighty Mouse did it, Tony Ferguson did it ect, and if you want to talk title defenses Ronda Rousey has more title defenses than Khabib, Tito Ortiz has more than Khabib, Chuck Liddell has more than Khabib, Jose Aldo has more, Matt hughes, Tyrone woodley, Renan Barao, Pat Miletich, Frank Shamrock, Amanda Nunes, all of these people have more title defenses than Khabib and at the end of the day that's really what matters, title fights because they're the highest level fight that a person can fight in the UFC.
Everyone at the top level is on some sort of PEDs. Don't think people won't do everything possible when millions and millions of dollars are on the line.
Khabib never met an opponent like Chael Sonnen when Bones beat that dude using his own style that's the moment I realized that Jon Jones was unbeatable. 🙆
I believe that does not translate to skills and fight IQ. I believe Jones is still a phenomenal fighter without steroids, let’s see his upcoming fights. Let’s see all of his fights, whether when he is accused of using steroids or not.
@@Wizear11 is it even a steroid tho? i really hate the internet for giving some of these people a voice. khabib is no doubt the most dominant right now but khabib has a resume of nobodies. DC, Cejudo and Stipe have a better history for goat status.
A man trains to fight with the help of his father. His mother never really likes it, but accepts it because it's their way. Father tells son, you'll retire at 30-0. Two fights short of that goal, father dies. Mother tells son she doesn't want him fighting without his father around. Son fights one last fight because he had given his word to his father he would. Then he retires because he gave his mother his word he would. Just one fight short of a goal he had been working towards for his entire career. That ladies and gentlemen, that is a MAN. Show me one MMA fighter anywhere that has that kind of reverence for others, including his God. They don't exist. No, he will not return; not unless his mother wishes it. He will not return because he is a man of his word and that word was given. He cannot be bought. Khabib is exactly what martial artists used to aspire to be.
There are better people in the fighting world. Pacman is one. He changed everything for his homeland. Brought so much change and a great man outside the ring. Just coz he is a good son does not make him great. He's an amazing warrior. But it rests at that.
Well said.... But unfortunately, you've mentioned NOTHING that actually matters when it comes to being pugilist/Martial artist!! His respect or lack thereof for his or anybody else god.. Utterly irrelevant
@@batman_diaries I agree that just because someone is good in one area of their life (i.e. being a good son), it does not make them a great human being. I also agree that Manny is an amazing person, in and out of the ring. However, I disagree with the implication that Khabib is not - if that is what you were implying...I may have misunderstood you there. Khabib has done a lot for his home town, specifically helping the local kids and the schools...in fact, he and Pacman have a lot in common with their philanthropy choices. Though, I don't know how much he "has changed" Dagestan as a whole...I honestly donj't keep up with any celeb's personal life that much...I just know what I see/read. God bless bud.
He’s been off drugs for years and could quite literally wipe anyone in the ufc. Say what u want ab weight class difference, it matters. Sure pound for pound is important, but khabib couldn’t handle anyone over 200. Jon Jones is the ideal body size and could easily beat lower weights and is still strong enough and long enough to wipe heavyweights too. Class dismissed
Lost interest in the ufc because of cheaters like Jones. I used to rent all the fights, his actions are obviously condoned by upcoming, ain't watched a fight in 3 years now
Khabib has just 3 title defenses against primary strikers. Jon has more damn title fights than Khabib has even fights inside the UFC. Khabib was 15-0 and fought guy with 0-0 record, so his whole pre UFC is extremely padded.
@James Matthews Nah if he dropped to lightweight at 155 definitely not, you high? With peds maybe, but again that's why he ain't the goat. I don't see Messi and Ronaldo needing to use any performance-enhancing drugs to be GOATS, apparently, this is only a MMA thing.
@James Matthews You can't compare Jones and Khabib. That's why i said at 155 Khabib would beat him, because naturally jones can't really compete at that weight. Khabib at his division has dominated, no one can do it better. Jones also is great at his respective division, no one ever denies that. But he's not the GOAT, he used performance enhanced drugs and was caught. Khabib being a GOAT is debatable, but his fights aren't as one-dimensional as you think buddy. He's barely showed us his other skills, like his back, which he gave a taste of during the Gaethje fight.
@James Matthews Oh I saw your other comment about Jones dropping to 155 and still beating Khabib, which is utterly stupid. Someone who has been wrestling bears will ever get beaten, haha! You're talking out of your ass here buddy, I was going to agree with you on some points until I realized how much of an idiot you were.
Khabib only fought less than a handful of great fighters let alone only defended his title like 3 times. Jones fought bigger names multiple times and was champion in 2 divisions and for a couple of years in one of them. So this debate is too hard to answer especially now that khabib retired, if khabib comes back and fights say a GSP and wins then that goat title seems more respected. Cejudo is the greatest combat fighter if there was one from the ufc, 2x Olympic champ and then 2 division champ at the same time so it’s kinda hard to argue with that one
How many excellent fighters did he fight? Barely a handful. Henry Cejudo won an Olympic Gold medal in wrestling and was a simultaneous two-division UFC champion. That’s more impressive.
The GOAT for me is not someone with the most win or title defences...It's someone who is best in his game and can make people fall in love with him with his nature and actions..N for me that is KHABIB
first he has 13 ufc fights(all wins), but if you are talking about the 29 wins being impressive then you should take a look at a fighter called Dan Severn who has a record of 101-19-1. Now which is better, 29-0-0 or 101-19-1? The latter of course. However, the reason as to why Dan Severn is no way near the goat talk is because in the ufc he had 13 fights same as khabib but Dan's ufc record was 9-4-0 and never secured any belts. So yes Khabib's undefeated run is impressive but a mere 13 wins is nothing compared to gsp 13 title fight wins (26 wins overall) and jones 14 title fight wins (26 wins overall) and anderson silva 16 win streak (34 wins overall) title wins is what makes a goat in the mma world
The problem with silva and jones is ..there are matches in which they got battered bruised injured , won the match by a slight margin. Same applied to GSP. The only person who never had close fights , simply showed extreme dominant wins is khabib .. that make him the GOAT, the one different than all!
GSP only showed damage because he bleeds easily. It happens. People who are like GSP, bruise and bleed easier than others. GSP beat absolute animals...twice. He beat everyone he fought. Goes up a weight and whips Bispin and then retires. Gotta give it to GSP. I respect Khabib and what he accomplished. But at the end of the day gotta give it to GSP.
Khabib only defended his title 3 times then he quit because he was afraid of losing. Jon Jones had 13 title defenses, GSP had 9 and Anderson Silva 10. Khabib is not even top 10
@@davidbaez3756you’re delusional thinking a man who has been such a competitor his entire life quit because he was afraid of some imagined opponent lol
Jon Jones 100%, anyone saying otherwise is suffering from recency bias. Staying on top for a decade, and defending as much as jones has done is a totally different game than looking very dominant and getting a few title defenses WHICH NUMEROUS FIGHTERS HAVE ALSO DONE.
funny how he said jones was gonna get his after heavyweight and he absolutely did that guy fucking predicted it flawlessly especially after winning and was hyped up to be the goat again… picture perfect prediction lmao
@James Matthews I think jones is the goat Definately the best all round fighter ever imo. Khabib doesn’t have many title defences but you have to admit the guys he was fighting are pretty much the best of the best and he made it look easy
@@machiavelliq8758 I didn’t say they were better than jones opponents but out of the current fighters in the ufc who are active I think lightweight is the most stacked. Come on he dominated gathje porier mcgregor barboza. Like I said before I still believe jones is the goat but I can see an argument for khabib especially if he had more title defences
Gsp is the only person able to be in the GOAT conversation. To be in the conversation 1] You have to have never been CAUGHT using PED's (Jones & Sylvia are eliminated) 2] You have to have won belts in 2 separate weight division's. If Khabib chose to go to WW and fight Marty and won, then Khabob would be the clear GOAT as it would be the largest weight\division gap. But he retired, eliminating him from the conversation.
Fact that people even talk about Jones as GOAT in this sport is just showing how much UFC is a joke.Person who failed multiple drug tests in any other sport would be lifetime suspended and erased from all recors of the sport.
@@DeltaUK57170 Man you cant negate usage of PEDs.Let say your fighting IQ is a genius level IQ it is 10.My level IQ is 8.You are a genius, but i am highly inteligent person.You are an average athelete on level 6,but i am top level athlete on 9.I lead by 1 point.Now you take something that will put you on elite level athlete.Now you are 10-10,while i am 8-9.Now instead of me having advantage you are having advantage.PEDs can make i highly talented person in to godlike creature.If someone with his fighting IQ take something that will increase his strenght, explosivenes, reaction time, endurance, speed, IT IS UNFAIR ADVANTAGE.So stop trying to justify but his IQ is avesome, he took something that is increasing his phisical capabilities.He can have all his IQ but if he is not top level athlete he will lose.And it remains to be seing if he is top level athlete without PEDs.
I give it to Kabib even tho I'm a bigger fan of Bones. The fact that Jon actually lost a couple and got gift wins. Kabib never lost at all. Not even close
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Jones has flaws in his resume... and drug use. Khabib has zero flaws... and no cheating allegations. Debate over.
it's GSP or Khabib
Easy to have zero flaws when you only have 4 title defenses. GSP, Mighty Mouse, Jones, Anderson Silva > Khabib
Exactly. This whole debate is stupid.
@@Boebuscuse oh yeah its easy to have zero flows when u only have 29 fights/wins in the hardest devision in the ufc yeah?? If its that easy then lets see u try it tough guy.
Names beat, and you fangirl know. It.
Jones is a bum imo but hes beat better people. If jones runs thru heavy weight and no more ped fails. Hes the goat
I’ve been hurt worse at my job at McDonald’s then Khabib has in his whole ufc career
*MMA career*
Yea pretty much, he hasn’t ever really be hurt
You must get your ass kicked a lot at mcdonalds
@@unknownass666 it’s still UFC
@@JM-cf9xy naah he is at the drive-in getting wrong fries thrown at him
So it is basically like this:
Jones = what he accomplished
Khabib = how he accomplished
Bingo
Khabib said it himself ... my legacy is smash. He did not care how many, he cared that he did smash them. and smash he did.
True God gifted Talent in John Jones +Better Resume
Hard Work and Dedication + Consistent Domination in Khabib well said, Every thing is Subjective
@@mansamusa897 God Gifted Talent certainly. So that makes it GGT+coke+steroids+??? = JJ! 🤣🤣
@@mansamusa897 Yeah God gifted him nice fingers to pull the opponents eyeballs
I agree Jon Jones is by far the greatest example in MMA. Won every fight clean while everyone was in steroids. Takes good care of his wife and children. And even prevented a premature baby from being born by crashing into the lady’s car.. Should win the Nobel Prize in my opinion
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😂😂😂😂 the sarcasm IS TOP NOTCH😂😂
Love it! Lol
Undefeated and undisputed
You tried too hard
Luke Thomas's breakdown of Khabib's finish of Gaetje in the beginning was great.
Yeah he’s a great person to listen to if you want to learn more about the sport. Truly great insight.
Amazing!
Facts💯
He's breakdowns are ALWAYS on point. So much better listening to him over idiots like Schaub
How Schaub is still around amazes me. Dude is propped up by pure hate
Jones doesn't train and still beats his opponents, Khabib tells his opponents for months exactly what he's gonna do and still makes it look like they never knew what was coming.
Facts
his opponents is 5 feet when he is 6 feet😄..that's why jon doesn’t need training
@@rezwanislam8061 LOL well I mean they're still in the same weight division, but yes Jon does have a height and reach advantage over most fighters
Same Weight doesn’t matter much bro...if he would've fought all the fights with the same height of opponents as him, he would've lost more than one
Rayes fight was very disputed.. But khabib didn’t lost more than maybe 1 or 2 round in his entire 29...but jones lost many of them in his 26..
@@rezwanislam8061 that is a weird point to argue but I'm not comparing Khabib to be the inferior fighter to Jones here. Khabib easily the goat of his division
Khabib was also smart enough to not only go out on top, but early enough to avoid a lot of health problems later on.
He was going to retire on his 30th fight regardless. That's what his dad's plan always was.
@@aka1721 no he said he didn’t want to fight without his father in his corner
@@nicholasrendon2386 i never said that though? I said he was going to retire the next fight anyway if he went for it.
Thats why he’s not the goat.
@@speakingfacts3931 because he didn't get brain damage
Watching this after Jones became the undisputed champion of the DomesticWeight division
yeah, that's so fucked up
edit: especially front of his child
@@imbaroud5273 his child was also the one who asked the security guard to call the police which fucking breaks my heart man.
Oj trying to take the title back
@@imbaroud5273 yeah fam
XD
Screw the 29 wins. My man didnt even bleed in his whole career which is absolutely ridiculous!
@James Franko every pro fighter does weight cuts and you cant compare khabibs dominance with jones'. Khabib beat up the best of the division like they owed him money lol
@James Franko He walks around the same weight as Tony does....? And when he cuts water weight it is usually 15 pounds...You guys really love making excuses constantly..Its quite pathetic.
@James Franko Khabib walks at 190-195 max if he is not training...Tony walks between 185-200.....Explain that buddy...Would love to hear your response 😂
@James Franko All the lightweights walk around at middleweight lmao
@James Franko He hasn’t missed weight since he has gotten a nutritionist......Tony is still walking at 190 mate.....Stop lying ffs its quite pathetic. Khabib said it himself and Javier Mendez stated that Khabib walks at 85-87kg....
"didn't train for a fight" would be the worst excuse ever for a professional fighter
He has openly admitted that a big part of him not training for fights was to be able to tell himself if he were to lose that it was because he didn’t train
Jason Luv he must not train for fights no more then 😂
But imagine to be able to do that and get away with it!
Mike tyson knows about that. All the major fights he lost he didnt train for or was under a bad influence whether it be the influence of a other person or a drug. If he ever lost his way... he never would have lost until much later in his career.
Nate Diaz and McGregor was so close that Nate got 2m vs his 50k ish usual payouts
How people forget Anderson Silva's reign is really beyond me. The highlight reel ko's over and over vs very good competition AND he wasn't afraid to fight at LHW. Making very good fighters look novice. Not to mention the short notice fight after his prime vs a prime DC who wanted absolutely nothing to do with Silva's standup. Also his recent success in a totally different discipline (boxing) vs a former legitimate prize fighter. Still holds the record for most consecutive title defenses and the manner in which he did it.
@Amadeus its less damaging then someone like Jon Jones, a large portion of his prime was in the steroid era of MMA
Yeah but Anderson Silva lost his shine as soon as he got knocked out by Weidman then lost again to him then went on to lose to Adesanya, DC, Cannonier, Bisping, Hall & even got popped for steroids after the Diaz fight. Finished his mma career with 11 losses. Khabib is perfect at 29-0, NEVER failed a drug test, NEVER lost a fight!
@@coreygolphenee9633 Not only that, but Jones and his eye pokes not being called out is absurd.
yes a religious muslim is the greatest fighter in mma ever
Not sure about you but the majority of the mma community is disappointed with him after he popped for steroids. Also it of course makes you think that since most of his dominance was pre-USADA, it's easy to say that he was most probably roided during those times as well. It's also why people forget about GSP as well (the running away from big rig didn't do him any favors either).
I believe that if Khabib had not retired, he would have continued to dominate his division and defeat any fighter who challenged him for many years to come, as he had already proven his abilities in his impressive undefeated record. This was also evident in the recent performance of Islam Makhachev, who showed his strength by defeating Oliveira, a highly hyped fighter at the time.
Exactly, the new contendants for the title, Oliveira or Chandler, would be defetead by khabib.
Yeah lol people complain he didn't beat enough top guys... Who was left? Charles? After what Islam did I believe Khabib does similar... Tony... Well after gaetjhe Tony doesn't look so good so khabib wins... And then? Chandler? Doubt Khabib woukd have had an issue... So why do we doubt he's one of the greatest
Not exactly. While khabib may have had more in him when he retired but not enough to gap jones. Jones has shown a very diverse style and he doesn’t just fight the best strikers. He fights the best. Jon is on a whole different level. In conclusion Jon bones is the best. Khabib could have gotten close if he didn’t retire.
Nah buddy shoulda coulda woulda. I believe Khabib was getting knocked tf out in his next fight by guys who actually present the threat of grappling also. HE DIDNT FIGHT OLIVEIRA CHANDLER OR DARIUSH. You don’t just give him those wins. Ducked Tony his whole career
@@bengough6772it really doesnt matter though, he retired early so it is all just speculation. It means as much as me saying “Khabib would have been the greatest gladiator alive if he was Roman”. Meanwhile we can prove Jons, GSP, and Andersons dominance. He just didnt prove himself, especially with those dozens of wins he got in those weird two round russian mma matches against cab drivers and streetsweepers. I like Khabib but he is always going to be the biggest “what if”. And dont sleep on Chandler and Oliveira, those dudes probably have the most threatening atylistic matchups for a wrestler like khabib. Chandler never fails to keep the fight standing with his insane explosive wrestling and striking, and oliveira has proven he can submit just about anyone from anywhere. Khabib is definetely a different beast but I believe they had a better chance than most people let on.
Dominick Cruz: “Think Conor is trying to tire Khabib out right now.”
Joe Rogan “ I don’t think he’s trying to do anything he just getting smashed.”
Also Rogan: Rousey is a world class striker
😂
He can not make Khabib tired because he does not have any grappling or defensive skills. The lack of wrestling background got Conor smashed.
@@healthywealthy4620 I think dom saying that was insinuating Conor couldn’t do anything, he just worded it that way, he’s trying to tire him out cause he doesn’t think he has any other options
Cruz’s point was just that if Conor is in a position where he is reletively safe (by repetively safe I mean covering up) and he has no where to go, then he might as well just try and tire Khabib out.
@@ahorse7884 that doesn't mean he's trying to gas Khabib out, that means he's defending himself. Gasing out is something you do on purpose and I hardly believe that conor put himself into that situation so that Khabib gets tired. That's ridiculous
Dude what khabib did to Gaethje made him literally look invincible
the only fighter in MMA history to win all his fights without a single scratch on his face from the start to retirement no blood , no injury ,nothing !!! the only one to do it , the true GOAT KHabib the eagle
gaethje did clip khabib tho
Not really lol. Poirier and Eddie Alvarez starched gaethje and it’s a known fact Justin only a white belt in jiu jitsu. Lmfaooo he’s a c+ fighter at best. Conor would have rearranged his facial structure. People gas Justin cuz he beat up Tony who has zero boxing skills pretty much and uses a wing Chung dummy to train. Tony just stood there with no head movement and a granite chin. Justin is alright. He loses to poirier , mcgregor, Khabib , every time .
@@ctc1996 I’m sorry friend if you’re gonna sit there and claim that both Dustin porier (whom I like btw) and Eddie Alvarez are better than Tony Ferguson then ur gonna need some pretty impressive points to back that argument up lol. Ferguson is a one of a kind fighter and most ppl know that.
Ppl were psyching up Gaethje because he slaughtered Ferguson, and no one has done that before, so yeah, that’s is something to be impressed about. And even before that all of his fights were always competitive and thrilling to watch honestly. He did lose. But he lost in good fights and learned from them.
And finally the icing on top was Gaethjes world class wrestling. Khabib is a wrestler, he had never fought anyone in the UFC who was also a decorated wrestler.
That is why the hype for Gaethje was real. And his ass beating from khabib says nothing about Gaethje and everything about khabib. Gaethje didn’t lose because he isn’t good. He lost because khabib is practically indestructible. Gaethje gave him some staggeringly hard hits and khabib brushed them off like it was nothing. And then he outclassed a world class wrestler in seconds.
The dude is next fucking level. I don’t I know of anyone who could beat him. But I would’ve loved to see Ferguson get that chance too.
@@jessiejoy1703 “people were hyping Justin bc he slaughtered gaethje which never been done before” um yes it had been done before. Michael Johnson beat Tony already. Listen dude I love Tony but boxing and straight up hand to hand is not his best attributes and that’s no secret. He got dropped by lando venatta and Anthony pettis.
I'm an extreme MMA Casual, but I swear this is the first sport I've seen where a guy got caught cheating but a large contingent of the fanbase still puts him in the GOAT category. Crazy stuff
Usada changed rule, he no longer has failed test, Casual.
@@FraudChickn Wrong that's alraedy been disproven. Jon is a cheater, PED's abuser.
@@FraudChickn He still admitted to purposely and consistently poking people in the eye. Plus, Usada doesn't have a good track record lol
@@migueljuarez6788 khabib pulled out repeatedly, used IV, never moved up weight, and wanted to fight GSP in lightweight lol.
@@FraudChickn Why are you talking about Khabib when I'm talking about Jones?
“Not a sport on who gets cut most or” it’s the Diaz bros. They would win that😂
Khabib: My toe might be broken but my mind is not. Respect
It was too weeks before the fight, Geez.
Mctapper : My foot was blame or something like this
Much
@shield&sword peace no his foot was blame or something like this
Cringe
The goat is reserved for Artem Lobov. 30 men have tried, only 15 have succeeded.
LOL
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Dead
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I love when two knowledgeable wrestling/bjj people get together and break things down piece by piece like they did here.
That was an incredible breakdown of the submission by Luke. Very good idea.
Recency bias is a very good point, I really like what GSP said about the GOATs, when Silva was going through the MW division he was the GOAT, when Jones beat DC in the rematch he was the GOAT, and now that Khabib has retired on top he's the GOAT.
Everyone and their mother said GSP was Goat when he beat Bisping.
How the fuck can you compare fighters of different weight division
@@anomalocaris7869 you can... just gotta look at the division talent and how the fighter dominated is division or multiple. Khabib as DOMINATED is division but never went up or down. But he probably lost 1 or 2 rounds in is whole career. Jon Jones is probably most accomplished but is character issues keeps him away from the goat debate IMO. Silva in is prime was unstoppable... but kept fighting past is prime and lost a lot since. GSP is the OG goat, the only flaw in is career was that hendricks fight but Hendricks was juiced the fuck up. Hendricks never was the same since USADA. GsP than cameback after a few years and won the championship in a division above... If Jones goes a division above and wins, he will be greatest no doubt
@@anomalocaris7869 Thats what P4P ranking is for. It does a subjective comparison among all weight classes
@@SumtingWong343 you forgot to mention jones did PEDs against old fighters
ali: what's my name ?!
khabib: let's talk now !
legends !
Khabib: send location!
Copy cat
Khabib “I will smash your boi” Nurmagomedov
GOAT 🔥
Some of my favorite one liners
Khabib is not only undefeated but never bled! Almost everyone I know has bled and no one in mma is not only undefeated but has also never bled, no one as far as I know, except Khabib. I have gotten more hurt by myself, tripping or being clumsy, than khabib has in his career.
Never bleeding has nothing to do with whose the greatest of all time. You can tell who all the new age MMA fans are. Most have never watched a fight pre 2015. Khabib is in the conversation, but I'll take GSP's and Jon Jones resumes. Also, both Jones and GSP have moved weight classes and didn't suffer any drop in performance. Jones was banging coke lines and partying 6 nights a week, while still beating greats.
@@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405 idk how snorting coke makes you the greatest of all time? Like cocaine doesn’t worsen your performance much, what a stupid ass argument
@@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405 I get what you're saying. I think recents are judging decision Jon Jones. They don't recall Jons days of nobody having a chance. If Jon had taken things as serious as a Khabib does who even knows what he would've done.
@@jollyface5986 Less that is lessens performance but rather he was partying when somebody else would be training. He was/is that good that he can do shit like that and still never truly lose in his career. It makes you wonder what his performances would have been/be if he had a Khabib work ethic.
Maybe if it was bare knuckle Khabib woulda had bloody fists...
KHABIB! He was undefeated, kept his sht together, no drug issues…. Tag dolls everyone
Jon jones , youngest ever champ , 5 former champs , 1 former double champ, 6 Hall of famers , most title defences , fought 2 fights in one month and one of those fights was for his first title shot . Jones has more title fights then khabib has in the ufc . Khabib has 5 fights in the top 10 , RDA that lost to cowboy in a grappling match , Michael Johnson a known loser same with barboza , Al iaquinta a last minute replacement , a conor out for 2 years and drunk on whiskey . His only legit fights were dustin and justin . His not the goat. Gsp dominated the ww division and after years off the sport went up to middle weight and beat the champ , Henry cejudo best DJ , TJ , Cruz , Marlon and is a double champ , usman beat masvidal twice , colby , tyron woodley, Gilbert burns , RDA , Demian maia , Leon Edwards is on the way to pass khabib if not already same with Israel best vettori , Brunson , kelvin gastelum , whitteker , Yoel and Paulo Costa. . There's amanda nunes the only fighter to defend two belts beat germaine de randamine twice , valentina twice , ronda , Holly Holmes, misha , cyborg. Daniel comier beat Anthony Johnson twice , Gustafsson , Anderson Silva , Dan Henderson , went up in weight best the most successful heavyweight stipe and Derrick lewis .
Khabib is no doubt the LW 🐐. Jones is the MMA 🐐
Do you not think the names on Khabib’s record tarnished his legacy abit? He was fighting Binman till like 18-0
@@ayrtoncordeiro3898 see my top comment. Jones is a POS and wasn't nearly as dominant as Khabib.
@@ayrtoncordeiro3898 he is a proven cheater. Like my man said. Debate over. Not to mention he's seriously struggled in some fights. Almost got tapped by Vitor, his fights with Reyes and Gus could have gone either way he got beat up badly in both of those against guys that went on to get viciously knocked out afterwards. Khabib has made every opponent look amateur. Also, dude fought some killers in UFC. Tf you talking about? Not to mention how much better of a person he is than Jones. The coke head cheat who drives drunk, plows into pregnant ladies and tries to flee the scene and acts like a delinquent thug towards law enforcement. A proven liar with a narcissist personality. Imo it's not even a debate and this is coming from a guy who ALWAYS sides/cheers the American over Russian fighters. I refuse to deny reality. Khabib is hands down the fkng goat. Point blank period....
The goat doesn’t hide under the octagon at the gym for 8 hours to avoid a drug test
@shane Nicholas he used PEDs, aint the better fighter either🤷
@shane Nicholas no, in and out of the ring. A cheater can NEVER be the GOAT.
@shane Nicholas does taking Ped matter to you?
@shane Nicholas if the best fighter can be a cheater and use PEDs, then yea bones can be consider the best.
@shane Nicholas Khabib never been cut, bled or been hurt, has dominated while Jones was in close fights with all of Gustafsson, Reyes and Santos
One day we’ll tell a story of a wrestling guy from a mountain who beat the world best fighters, stay unbeaten and returned to his village to serve his mother.
A story that looks like it was ripped straight out of the pages of a fairytale book, and had it not been for the videos proving it, people would have not believed it.
Except Khabib will come back. Then what happens to your fairytale bro?
@@NickyTmathew except that'll make it that much better, coming back to finish his father's dream of 30-0, retire and start his own gyms and be in corner of his friends he trained with, Umar, Islam etc
Made me shed a tear
@Diane Ghazaryan Conor was well past his prime? he was 30-31 years old...wouldn't call that past his prime
bear wrestling? chill out, he wrestle a chained cub that was playing wtih him - stop hyping this fact up
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Good point, Khabib is so good he can actually decide how to win.
yes a religious muslim is the greatest fighter in mma ever
@@AC-mp7cx dude the mma community doesn't care what religion or nationality a fighter has.
@@AC-mp7cx really and truly, his religion is completely irrelevant in the context of mma
@@aka1721 alot of racist people do. so they're mad that a Muslim is the goat, of two combat sports
boxing and mma
@@theboredman1450it matters, it drives him in every way
Jones is out of the conversation now, he had his chance to be the GOAT, and decided to cheat. GSP is IMO the GOAT of the UFC w/ Khabib being on his tail.
JON JONES IS THE GOAT he didn’t even train for some fights and still managed to ko the best in the world out. DONT JUST PUT THE MANS CONS UP THERE U CAN TAKE A GUY WITH A UNDEFEATED RECORD OFF THE GOAT CONVERSATION
@@ajosh4430 if you were proven to be on steroids or drugs during a fight or leading up to a fight, your record is invalid. Who’s to say most of his fights weren’t dosed? Look at TJ Dillashaw, the only reason he had such good endurance in most fights was because of a drug.
@@TheRealJohnMadden Irrelevant to his resume. I hate jon and think peds steal his goat, but anderson popped too he is a goat. Khabib is 13-0 and 3 defenses. Not goat numbers
@@kylleepstein6954what’s worse getting caught for drugs or cleaning out a division and retiring who’s to say JJ wasn’t on drugs during his best performances which invalidates or doubts his whole career but for khabib to never get cut bruised or bleed in 13 ufc fights is craZy and never lose a round that’s goat like behaviour
You mean the fighter that rubbed Vaseline mid fight on his body vs a bjj black belt specialist, or retired when usada became mandatory.
Jon Jones: “I once hid under the octagon to avoid a PED rest”
Also Jon Jones: “I’m the greatest of all time! Khabib is a bum”
Also 🔫 NO TRESPASSING 🏡. Dont even try to sell me crap I dont want 🗡🔨⚒⛏
Jon hates door to door salesmen
@Call me Big dick Rick Jones cheated multiple times dont compare him to Khabib or GSP
I get you’d had to get a bad joke off but he didn’t say he was avoiding a ped test it was for weed
@@RUclipsguy368 dana said that they don't test for weed...
Serving
GOAT is out of the conversation in terms of legacy when you have PED , steroids tarnishing your wins.
youre high if you think a majority of athletes arent using PEDs especially today
You mean EVERYBODY in the UFc
@@Viwer_____ a lot of fighters get caught more than once. GSP and Khabib have been found to be clean all throughout. coincidently those 2 is the argument. With Jones an easy negatition is PEDs.
Wrong
Khabib is also cool with people getting theyr heads cut of, so yeah therese that
Both are great but the way khabib choked out Connor was hilarious 😆
Conor pieced him up a bit in round three though
With soft and weak punches that were supposedly called strikes. Ask any mma expert they will say that khabib should’ve won that round
@@mirzadagrinch69 I guess your an expert huh
Chocked?
Thats what i love about khabib like with mcgregor, he didnt run his mouth. He just went in and proved himself. Beautiful. Sportmanship outclasses any other mentality because you arent going in to just win, you are going in to be strategically intelligent with each move, being all around. You cant come in with one mind mentality and expect to be the best, you have to structure yourself to be all around, heart, soul, physicality and body.
That all sounds great except he jumped the cage and created one of the biggest black eyes ever in ufc.
@@davideatherly4231 that was super necessary......before that fight....dana and conor planned the bus attack for promotion....watch khabib's interview...he said it was a inside job.... that's why what khabib did after fight was super necessary
yes a religious muslim is the greatest fighter in mma ever
@@cartoonsinhindi1023 lol inside job? What a dork. The reason Conor did that was because khabib and his boys jumped one of Conor’s friends and he jumped on a plane with 20 goons the moment he found out. Then the bus attack happened.
@@AC-mp7cx Jon Jones is not Muslim my friend.
You also forgot to say that khabib was THAT dominant against gaethje with a broken foot and his coach said he didn't train for like 3 weeks during camp because he was so sick
Chubb
Shut up “mohamed” thats fake news
@@recipoldinasty dayum son, khabib really in your head huh, livin rent free etc
Khabib isnt even close to being the goat lol 3 tittle defense is nothing he hasn't even surpassed mighty mouse in goat list
@@joemama8243 Randy C. 2 division champ. 5 time UFC champ. He's p4p the best imo
I really like Luke’s breakdown of how Khabib got to submitting Justin.
Very technical breakdown and just went to show how great the finish was 👌
5:51 Smart insight here by Luke into the situation, he was able to accurately predict the future about Jones' eventual transition to hw and how many would hail Jones as the ud goat if he won his hw fight
Fast forward a couple years after this interview and the gane fight takes place, and exactly what he predicted happened, Luke's a smart guy, I definitely respect his mind
Idk why everyone keeps forgetting GSP
Some controversial victories. A few actually. And 2 losses. Cant put him next to jones and khabib.
@@hakimdarroudi7428 gsp is 100% the goat. He dominated the two people he lost to. Khabib hasn’t go the better resume than him either yes he’s more dominant but has only 3 title defences. Jon Jones is a cheater and has also got a couple fights that he arguably lost
Khabib always mention GSP greatness
@@hakimdarroudi7428 only Hendrix was controversial, he won against Penn in the rematch without any doubt. Jones is sitting on a lot of split decisions... (with PeDs)
@@jean-christopherouleau1626 Penn first fight... khabib has arguably never lost a round in a bad way. Gsp got destroyed by serra and Hendricks (the cheater) banged him... gsp in the top but not the goat
"No one as FLAWLESS as KHABIB."
Period.
false
Adesanya
@@yungmaac8735 i thought he lost to romero
Period!
Tibau🤔 Jones never miss weight .🤔 Khabib never fight vs BJJ specialist like Tony. Khabib fear to go his own weightclass he need to do abnormal weightcut . Jones still flawless illegal tec is just a joke.
Jon: I sacrificed a lot of blood to reach where I am.
Khabib: Exactly my point, I never bled.
Wat?
@@Whobilation Jon Jones = 🥊🥊🤕🏆
Khabib = 🥊🥊😁🏆
this is the most retarded thing ive read today
Joe doesn't take into account the fact that during the savage phase, Jon was enhanced
There is no way you win an MMA fight without training camp and doing coke unless, of course, you're juiced up.
@@kowsarahmed7782 do you know That from your own mma experience?
As a person and a fighter in both avenues KHABIBs a role model and real GOAT in true sense
😂
Muslim love muslim
Name says you are a Muslim
Opinion biased
Is that cope for him not being the goat in mma?
@kishorerocky6099 undont have to be Muslim to see Khabib is a better role model then Jones
When it comes to intoxicated driving Jones is the GOAT.
Justin said that he was the best at making car crashes. Bro you aint got shit on jon
Are you intoxicateddd right nowww - gsp
And go on talk about his daughter condition with the policeman 😅
Not ONCE do these guys bring up the performance enhancers that Jones used. Automatically disqualifies him as the GOAT
Exactly and still baffled how much they are favouring Jones over Khabib even without roids!
As a baseball purist, you’re right. Wow, that sucks. What drugs did he do? What’s the whole true story?
Goat police lmao
Yall try to discredit him for doing shit outside the ring not in the ring
Everyone use drug these day
Never tested positive for PEDs ✔
Has fewer controversies ✔
Has fewer questionable victories✔
It's simple, Khabib is the GOAT
We talk in the octogone wtf you saying thing than is not in the octogone
I love Khabib, he beats great fighters but Jon has beat legends & undisputed future hall of famers or guys with great records up til their fight. The run up before his title fight against Shogun, not counting his journeyman fights, his opponents with the worst records were Vera @11-4, Hamill @ 6-2, Bader 12-0, Bonnar 12-4. After those, he tore thru the legends...
i just dont get how his name can come up at all when hes a proven cheat, doesnt that put into question his whole career? to me it makes his entire career null and void
@@ElNiNjA246 hes not a proven cheat
@@ElNiNjA246 well how many fights did he test positive for?
@@toptiertech7291 and on top of that new usada rules clear him. and also everyone is on gear some just dont get caught.. and even if you say that.. USADA's New rules would have cleared him.. He also beat vitor belfort who was on steroids
@@ABeastGamingit's awful how everyone defends a known cheater. At any rate, Khabib was unquestionably not on anything. So that would make his accomplishments even more impressive considering his opposition, according to you, was most likely on stuff.
I can't take Jones seriously because he cheated. And I can't understand why even before the new USADA rules, it STILL wasn't brought up. The media is protecting Jones and that's not okay.
Khabib takes a hundred leg kick hes an absolute humble animal that batters everyone
Keep kicking the bear you’re just going to make him madder.
He has zero stand up game
Habib is not so humble when it comes to islam. When those terrorists beheaded people in France he didn't say one word about it, but he did say that Macron must be punished for saying "bAd WoRds" about islam.
Zzz Kkk nah that's Nate diaz
@@findingmyway93 Khabib has extremely good defensive stand up. His offensive stand up needs work but it is very good for its intended purpose of pushing fighters back and opening up the takedown.
There is no chance he lost the first round against Justin...there was an argument up until the take down and sub attempt
Fun
Have you seen this clip of Joe’s guest telling him the new studio is awful?!
ruclips.net/video/aL2zpkpWybA/видео.html 🔥
I can understand that Justin landed some shots but Khabib put the pressure in that round and also took him down I just dont see how Justin got it, that said I dont know why it matters that much since Khabib finished him with a beautiful triangle
yeah but 2 judges gave the first round to justin , unbelievable
Exactly
GSP vs Khabib would be the most sold show ever for a while.
Jon jones is without a doubt a Great Fighter, but as he said Khabib was just flawless... i mean i just recently had my Khabib Full Story dose were i rewatched his start and end of his fighting carrer and there is no other word as Flawless... he is simply a different Animal, he fought against the Top Fighters and made it look like it was nothing! He dominated every round, he is respectful and humble. Befor Khabib i always hated it when Fighters started Grappling and Submissions, but seeing him do it, was like a work of Art, just like his Punches and Kicks and now i wish for that and hope to see another artist at work.
Khabib was for me the first Fighter who was perfectly balanced and was not only great in all aspects, it also looked great, from Grappling to Hand to Feet Combat, Great intuition, huge Stamina and endurance, i mean he never sat down after each round against Mcregor, he escaped a Guillotine choke just to Submission Poirier seconds after...thats crazy! Khabib is still the current Goat for me until someone else comes who exceeds those feats, but right now, to me that person has yet to come.
Jones has done it at heavyweight as well. He’s shown to be dominant on his feet, on the ground, and he did this against dudes jacked up on steroids and he wasn’t always at his best. Jones just does to much.
No way you complimented khabibs striking dude was pretty bad at that. He had a padded record in his early stage of his career and he only fought like 4 good opponents all being strikers. “That person is yet to come” Jon been there bruh
What i forget to mention on why Khabib still is the Goat and has a Flawless carrer to me, is his Character itself, he has the Character and Charisma of a Champion, he has the mentality and discipline to be a Champion, his humbleness and his wisdom, he is a man focus and sheer will, he is a true Role model for the People. I base a Champion a Goat in all their aspects, and if that person can make me start thinking after he said something wise. Thats something i never had of any ufc fighter and jones is far from it, they all lets say simple. When you become a Goat you become a role model, and all other fighters are the same when it comes to discipline and lifestyle, they were normal Guys like you and me doing Party and relax after a Fight, but not Khabib, and i admire extraordinary people.
Gsp: khabib is the greatest.
Khabib: gsp is the greatest
Silva: khabib is the greatest
Jon: My 15 vs your guy 4.
Says it all. Jon is a bum. A juiced one
Dude you're straight up lying. Silva never said Khabib was the greatest, he said he's his favorite fighter to watch. He LITERALLY said GSP is the greatest.
Well John was p4p #1 for a long time and just lost it. Give him a break .
@@raminpcccq while on the roids
Jon Jones is insecure.
Khabib is the G.O.A.T.
Hope Khabib vs GSP happens with the blessings of Khabib's mother. InshAllah
No drugs,no cuts, no contests, 1 round and a close one, no car accident, The 🐐
Missed weight, pull out, injury prone. Fought a bum to win his first title
@@Cts_99 yet that "bum" did better than Conor, Dustin or Gaethje hmm
@@afgankidd00 no? The only rounds khabib lost were against conor and Justin
@@xrexi4366 Conor won that round on the judges score cards yes that's a fact but rewatch that round again. The amount of times conor cheated and didn't get called out for it is ridiculous. As far as that Justin round goes, c'mon, are we really holding these judges scorecards as the end all be all? How many ridiculous decisions have we seen by these judges. Rewatch Khabib v. Justin round 1 again and tell me if you truly believe Justin won the round
@@afgankidd00 tf you mean cheated? Khabib does steroids if anyone cheats he does
Khabib never losed a round never bleed undisputed undefeated champion of the world 🌎 khabib the eagle 🦅
Too bad Jones has cheated a dozen times and arguably still lost 2 -3 fights. Jones cheated himself of goat status.
2-3, theres literally only one, and reyes just got knocked out by blachowicz which proves the fight was a fluke,
@@Maks-qs4yi sure dude 👍
@@Maks-qs4yi maybe jan style is the perfect counter for reyes style n reyes style is the counter for jones alright. Styles make fight
No I do not agree that he lost 2-3 fights. Only 1 arguably. The rest is spot on bro
@@StaaaaNzHD Reyes, Gus 1 despite crack head jusges, and Santos are all arguable. They also didn't show up with roids in the system while Jones did. No matter how much Jon nutt huggers break it down, Jones has felt the need to cheat in most of his fights and barely beating non roided fighters doesn't gift you Goat status.
No recent bias, just facts.. Khabib dominated some of the best mixed martial artists in the sport, in the toughest weight division. He has never tested positive for any performance enhancing drugs. Not only is he one of the most skilled grappler, mixed martial artists, he is an honorable man with respect and dignity.
The G.O.A.T. with four title defenses? Joke!
@@lenoxhamese4610 your goat used steroids lol. Debate over
What about his defense of Islamist terrorism in France?
It's not the toughest weight division, that's some promoting bullshit, the toughest is the heavyweight.
@@yourelawyered what did he say then?
Khabib has never even came close to losing. Jones has. Jones has the better resume but no one has ever dominated the opposition the way Khabib has.
For that you have to fight upto age of 36 , jon jones is 36 still fighting and he became ufc champion at the age of 19, kjabib would have faced same situation if did fight at the age of 36
@@sangamb8429 jones is 33 not 36
Jones has been in trouble in arm bar one time
Khabib was rocked by michael johnson early
Jones 11 title defences khabib 3
Its not even close octagon wise
@@MrShiro82 my bad😂😂 jj is 33
@@ramoniglesiasdiaz3164 would hardly call it rocked. and anyway, jones took steroids and has been in trouble more times than khabib. he also has more controversial decisions than khabib
Jones is obviously highly skilled but I think what helped him gain a huge advantage over almost all opponents was his body frame. A combination of his height and possessing one of the longest reach in UFC. Even with the same weight, he's naturally much bigger than most people he faced. Jones snuggled most with opponents of similar body types like Dominick and Gus. Would be very interesting to see how he performs at heavyweight.
I honestly feel like jones' performance at heavyweight will decide this conversation. If he actually manages to outclass either stipe or ngannou he will have achieved too much.
@@Jordidwaard baddest man on the planet now 🐐
@@Amaarc77 Baddest man of all time yessir
@@Jordidwaard him beating ciryl gane in under 1 round is absolutely amazing.. Jones stopped fighting for 3 years moved up a weight class. fought someone who is probably bigger and a bit stronger than him. and still beat him so easily.. to the point that people are saying ciryl took a dive
@@ABeastGaming and yet people still won’t acknowledge his greatness. Its insane.
Who is this guy and why have I never seen him before. So knowledgeable. Joe has that network. Seems like every friend and acquaintance this guy has is adding value to his life. Wish I had this ability to choose my friends so wisely. Respect.
Not Jon Jones, how the hell Joe just overlooks his cheating is BEYOND me
Khabib said himself GSP is the GOAT. Can't be the goat with four title fights.
joe works for ufc.. of course he would act like nothing happened before
It’s because Jon Jones is the GOAT
@@Light-jo9lp I really don't think Joe needs UFC. He loses money working for them at this point.
@@KingLlive the GOAT who needs PEDs to perform.
@Abner Cordeiro buddy. He failed it MULTIPLE times.
The fact that neither one of them brought up the PED record on Jon surprises me. Even Jon's earlier victories are now questionable since USADA wasn't in the picture than
🛑🟥
You think none of Jones opponents were juiced when they fought Jones ? Wht abt vitor and Jones smashes him nobody argues that anderson Silva was one of the greatest middle weights of all time and he popped when he beat nick just say you hate Jones any non bias person knows Jones accomplishments dwarfs khabib it’s not a think about question
@@Negro.spiritual Nobody is calling Silva the goat either because of the same shit. We don't know if Jones opponents took PED either, EVEN if they did it don't matter. The fact remains Jon did and got caught multiple times once USADA came into picture.
I don't hate Jon. He clearly has the best resume that I don't think anyone will ever top. But it's not a clean resume. So he needs to step out of the goat picture.
@Jay Theboss yup Jon Jones is GOAT- Greatest Of Abusing Turinabol.
Tainted supplement
In a game of blood, we witnessed a man that never bled
A decent and humble person who left his place clean, not like some clowns
I don't understand how this is a discussion. HE'S A PROVEN CHEAT ! Jones and his fans don't seem to realise how bad that is. He shouldn't even be allowed in the sport let alone be the regarded as one of the best.
Actually they cleared him of any cheating.
Ski-doo
Beef testosterone will always be beyond those mortals.
Youre a hater
I agree to a degree.... I think there’s a lot of PEDs in MMA, just like Nick said. With that being said I think PEDs help, but you can’t take away wrestling pedigree, physical attitudes like height, and reach, AND fight IQ
GSP! Avenged his only 2 losses DOMINANTLY. Cleared out the entire welterweight division, then MOVED UP and won the Middleweight title against Bisping after 4 years out. GOAT.
Someone had to say it
Still lost though, Khabib didnt.
@@turbofister6000 only lost two rounds and never bled
@MambaMMA 24.2 GSP was advocating for doping tests for UFC fighters for years before USADA was brought in and even originally wanted much tougher and thorough testing than what USADA offers so how was he “running” from them exactly? Stop trying to slander one of the GOATS for no reason
Johnny Hendricks fight???
6:15 aged like fine wine
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clicked newest so I could find this comment
luke thomas explaining khabib’s back take on gaethje was superb….
My question is, why do we crucify guys like Tj Dillashaw and TRT Vitor for PEDs, but so often it gets minimized or avoided in the goat conversation with Jon Jones?
Tbf trt vitor had as much juice in him as a caprisun. He's a bit of an outlier.
@@riptrojans7237 as soon as USADA got involved Jon got popped. For all we know he’s been juiced to the gills from the beginning.
well i know people hate the chemistry involved but Dillashaw and Vitro were red red red hot while Jon Jones was right at the minimum threshold so if he was using we will never know because it falls withing the tainted supplement realm.
@@Jrock420blam not the first time when he popped against DC.
@@Underratedmen yes, specially the first time is the one im referring to. It was classic tainted supplement, the 2nd time of micro levels is what draws suspicion because he should have known better if it was tainted coke or supplements and he still popped
If Jones if the GOAT of MMA, then Lance Armstrong is the GOAT at cycling.
but Lance is the GOAT at cycling. The other guys just didn't get caught.
he is the best. who else in bicycle racing can you name that is a superstar.
@@clintdegen lol
Is Armstrong NOT the GOAT, though?
Difference with Armstrong is all of the top 20 guys were juicing as well. Jon is juicing and fighting guys who are clean.
This conversation is great and it's based on Luke's child like enthusiasm for the fight game.
I like Jones, he's a great fighter, but he cheats and fights dirty so i think he should be removed from the GOAT argument
Not sure how the conversation is Khabib vs Jon Jones, Jon jones failed more drug tests than Khabib lost rounds that should automatically disqualify him from the GOAT.
The conversation should be about Khabib vs GSP. Two respectable champions who respect each other, even Khabib himself says GSP is the greatest, GSP returns the respect these two are in the conversation not Jon ''Juicehead'' Jones.
It's because Jones needs to butt in and try to steal Khabib's shine, he's so salty that someone could possibly be better than him, whereas GSP has been extremely respectful and showed tons of praise to Khabib, and is actually humble enough to admit he's not the GOAT.
Just say that you hate jon jones and move on. Even dana white said it, khabib is P4P #1 but Jones is the GOAT. His resume is far more impressive.
Abdulmanap dead
This is the best comment here. JJ is a trash star. Sure he accomplished a lot but nowhere near worth being considered the GOAT. The goat is more than a record. It's as much personality and earned respect as it is anything. Imagine Jordan being popped for all the shit JJ was. JJ needs to fight against his own character to convince weak minded fans that he is the best to ever do it. The real ones know what it was to watch GSP and Khabib truly own their sport and display an otherworldly level of dedication. Jon Jones was blessed with genetics and coming from a sports family and put his weight class on blast for years, no doubt. But his scumbag nature detracts from his legacy and IMO he is tarnished gold. Khabib and GSP are platinum.
It's because Jon Jones has had 16 world titles wrapped around his waist and Khabib has only had 4. Jon is still undefeated in the UFC, nobody has ever beaten him, he has only disqualified himself and had a no contest because of picograms of a steroid which Jeff novinsky said had no performance enhancing benefit and were caused by a tainted supplement that usada tested and proved that the supplement was tainted and it was consistent with what was found in Jon's body. The steroid excuse is just an excuse and a way for haters to discredit him. Jon's body of work literally dwarfs Khabib's. Khabib is not the first guy to have a 13 fight win streak in the UFC, Anderson Silva did it, GSP did it, Mighty Mouse did it, Tony Ferguson did it ect, and if you want to talk title defenses Ronda Rousey has more title defenses than Khabib, Tito Ortiz has more than Khabib, Chuck Liddell has more than Khabib, Jose Aldo has more, Matt hughes, Tyrone woodley, Renan Barao, Pat Miletich, Frank Shamrock, Amanda Nunes, all of these people have more title defenses than Khabib and at the end of the day that's really what matters, title fights because they're the highest level fight that a person can fight in the UFC.
Why is John even in the conversation? Everyone knows he used performance drugs - he’s disqualified. Period.
Everyone at the top level is on some sort of PEDs. Don't think people won't do everything possible when millions and millions of dollars are on the line.
@Ruben Feneser so angry but funny!
@@username6333 nah DC didn’t take shit
Because Joe Rogan is Jones' little fangirl
Cocaine is performance enhancing drugs😂
Khabib never met an opponent like Chael Sonnen when Bones beat that dude using his own style that's the moment I realized that Jon Jones was unbeatable. 🙆
What he's saying about Jones at heavyweight is spot on what happened.
Facts I can literally see it in this comment section.
@@lukef752 Luke is a man of knowledge. Never seen anyone break down fights and fighters better than him honestly.
Luke Thomas should have a commentary gig with the UFC. He knows his onions.
❤️🌶️
Honestly the dude knows his MMA unlike many others.
Agree brotha!
Breakdowns vs commentary ain't exactly the same but yes his insight is exceptional. I'd love to see some collabs between him and Hardy
He knows his shit, but it's never gonna happen. He criticizes the pay structure in the UFC so Dana automatically dislikes him
*Justin:* "I'm gonna break his leg till he can't walk"
*Khabib the entire fight:* "Let's walk now"
Justin: im gonna take khabibs soul, im gonna show him how to bleed, im gonna tko him bla bla bla
Khabib: look whos talking
Hahaha... The best ever
@@sheikhfahad2436 Thanks
🤣
Jon literally got slapped for 3 rounds by Reyes. The fight was judged so poorly. Reyes was robbed and should of won that. Won 3 rounds to 2
probably the worst decision I've seen in a championship fight. Reyes clearly won
Watch Khabib vs Dos Anjos fight.
@@khaibarkamal9714 yeah i watched that Khabib ragdolled him
He perfected everything about Jon jones perfectly
Jon Jones used steroids. Case closed, he can’t be considered the greatest because we don’t know what he would have done without steroids.
@Na tu there is drugs that are allowed and and there is that are prohibited
Grain of Salt in Olympic sized swimming pool amount of steroids .. And they don't give you skills. Jon is youngest champ in history clean.
I believe that does not translate to skills and fight IQ. I believe Jones is still a phenomenal fighter without steroids, let’s see his upcoming fights. Let’s see all of his fights, whether when he is accused of using steroids or not.
@Fernando true but give you more power
@@Wizear11 is it even a steroid tho? i really hate the internet for giving some of these people a voice. khabib is no doubt the most dominant right now but khabib has a resume of nobodies. DC, Cejudo and Stipe have a better history for goat status.
A man trains to fight with the help of his father. His mother never really likes it, but accepts it because it's their way. Father tells son, you'll retire at 30-0. Two fights short of that goal, father dies. Mother tells son she doesn't want him fighting without his father around. Son fights one last fight because he had given his word to his father he would. Then he retires because he gave his mother his word he would. Just one fight short of a goal he had been working towards for his entire career. That ladies and gentlemen, that is a MAN.
Show me one MMA fighter anywhere that has that kind of reverence for others, including his God. They don't exist.
No, he will not return; not unless his mother wishes it. He will not return because he is a man of his word and that word was given. He cannot be bought. Khabib is exactly what martial artists used to aspire to be.
There are better people in the fighting world. Pacman is one. He changed everything for his homeland. Brought so much change and a great man outside the ring. Just coz he is a good son does not make him great. He's an amazing warrior. But it rests at that.
Well said.... But unfortunately, you've mentioned NOTHING that actually matters when it comes to being pugilist/Martial artist!! His respect or lack thereof for his or anybody else god.. Utterly irrelevant
@William jon jones you meant
Remember when he missed weight and pulled out of fights, lack of professionalism not a man, pathetic
@@batman_diaries I agree that just because someone is good in one area of their life (i.e. being a good son), it does not make them a great human being.
I also agree that Manny is an amazing person, in and out of the ring.
However, I disagree with the implication that Khabib is not - if that is what you were implying...I may have misunderstood you there. Khabib has done a lot for his home town, specifically helping the local kids and the schools...in fact, he and Pacman have a lot in common with their philanthropy choices.
Though, I don't know how much he "has changed" Dagestan as a whole...I honestly donj't keep up with any celeb's personal life that much...I just know what I see/read.
God bless bud.
Damn this video is super relevant now lol
So on technical n performance issues it’s a stalemate but outside the octagon we gotta admit Khabib is the best example for his fans
Everytime Jones takes a piss test, his legacy gets worse
John Jones on Steroids and they talk so much.
He’s been off drugs for years and could quite literally wipe anyone in the ufc. Say what u want ab weight class difference, it matters. Sure pound for pound is important, but khabib couldn’t handle anyone over 200. Jon Jones is the ideal body size and could easily beat lower weights and is still strong enough and long enough to wipe heavyweights too. Class dismissed
Lost interest in the ufc because of cheaters like Jones. I used to rent all the fights, his actions are obviously condoned by upcoming, ain't watched a fight in 3 years now
@@alexfiggsyn4201 gtfo mister class dismissed
@@rp6699 good one Ravi. “gtfo.” That got me.
It’s gotta be khabib. He’s completely dominated EVERYONE in his path and there have been no drug use or drama
Khabib has just 3 title defenses against primary strikers. Jon has more damn title fights than Khabib has even fights inside the UFC. Khabib was 15-0 and fought guy with 0-0 record, so his whole pre UFC is extremely padded.
Neil Old and that fight is ??
@James Matthews Nah if he dropped to lightweight at 155 definitely not, you high? With peds maybe, but again that's why he ain't the goat. I don't see Messi and Ronaldo needing to use any performance-enhancing drugs to be GOATS, apparently, this is only a MMA thing.
@James Matthews You can't compare Jones and Khabib. That's why i said at 155 Khabib would beat him, because naturally jones can't really compete at that weight. Khabib at his division has dominated, no one can do it better. Jones also is great at his respective division, no one ever denies that. But he's not the GOAT, he used performance enhanced drugs and was caught. Khabib being a GOAT is debatable, but his fights aren't as one-dimensional as you think buddy. He's barely showed us his other skills, like his back, which he gave a taste of during the Gaethje fight.
@James Matthews Oh I saw your other comment about Jones dropping to 155 and still beating Khabib, which is utterly stupid. Someone who has been wrestling bears will ever get beaten, haha! You're talking out of your ass here buddy, I was going to agree with you on some points until I realized how much of an idiot you were.
I love Jones fighting style more. But bruh be real khabib don't even sweat when he fights.. Insane respect for khabib. They both goats.
PEDs
5:30, great analysis, exactly what he said happened
Drug use is enough to take him off the list. Did u guys not remember the whole pictogram issues?
You realize a picogram is a grain of salt in an Olympic sized swimming pool...
You are right
@@milleristhegoat6418 he was popped before that dude. Jones was popped many times before the picogram shit.
@@milleristhegoat6418 Sadly he could literally have a single atom in his system and ppl will think it makes him superman lol.
Amen
Khabib, never bled, got cut or even bruised over 100 rounds in a stacked divison. Greatest combat fighter of all time.
Over 100 rounds?
@ashish sinha It’s wild to me that you’re willing to be objectively incorrect while so confident.
Khabib only fought less than a handful of great fighters let alone only defended his title like 3 times. Jones fought bigger names multiple times and was champion in 2 divisions and for a couple of years in one of them. So this debate is too hard to answer especially now that khabib retired, if khabib comes back and fights say a GSP and wins then that goat title seems more respected. Cejudo is the greatest combat fighter if there was one from the ufc, 2x Olympic champ and then 2 division champ at the same time so it’s kinda hard to argue with that one
@ashish sinha Casual fan over here 👆🏼
How many excellent fighters did he fight? Barely a handful.
Henry Cejudo won an Olympic Gold medal in wrestling and was a simultaneous two-division UFC champion. That’s more impressive.
The GOAT for me is not someone with the most win or title defences...It's someone who is best in his game and can make people fall in love with him with his nature and actions..N for me that is KHABIB
Wrong Gsp is he did all that aswell
first he has 13 ufc fights(all wins), but if you are talking about the 29 wins being impressive then you should take a look at a fighter called Dan Severn who has a record of 101-19-1. Now which is better, 29-0-0 or 101-19-1? The latter of course. However, the reason as to why Dan Severn is no way near the goat talk is because in the ufc he had 13 fights same as khabib but Dan's ufc record was 9-4-0 and never secured any belts. So yes Khabib's undefeated run is impressive but a mere 13 wins is nothing compared to gsp 13 title fight wins (26 wins overall) and jones 14 title fight wins (26 wins overall) and anderson silva 16 win streak (34 wins overall)
title wins is what makes a goat in the mma world
plus gsp is more humble and more of a mr nice guy which everyone loved than khabib
Same
The problem with silva and jones is ..there are matches in which they got battered bruised injured , won the match by a slight margin. Same applied to GSP. The only person who never had close fights , simply showed extreme dominant wins is khabib .. that make him the GOAT, the one different than all!
GSP only showed damage because he bleeds easily. It happens. People who are like GSP, bruise and bleed easier than others. GSP beat absolute animals...twice. He beat everyone he fought. Goes up a weight and whips Bispin and then retires. Gotta give it to GSP. I respect Khabib and what he accomplished. But at the end of the day gotta give it to GSP.
Khabib only defended his title 3 times then he quit because he was afraid of losing. Jon Jones had 13 title defenses, GSP had 9 and Anderson Silva 10. Khabib is not even top 10
@@davidbaez3756you’re delusional thinking a man who has been such a competitor his entire life quit because he was afraid of some imagined opponent lol
This is the most detailed break down I’ve ever heard
These two are MMA experts and watch various other martial arts. Not trolls online who jump the hottest talent bandwagon
The left out a pretty important detail, which is Jon’s PED scandals
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Hardest fight Khabib ever had in the UFC was with the scale. He’s the GOAT. Made every fighter look mediocre at best
That's the reason he's so much stronger than his opponents. He cuts way too much weight, he should definitely fight at the division above
@@mezutzizu bad take
@@afgankidd00 Terrible take. Regardless I think he could still eat half the WWs
Khabib has not fought enough championship fights in my eyes.
Jon Jones 100%, anyone saying otherwise is suffering from recency bias.
Staying on top for a decade, and defending as much as jones has done is a totally different game than looking very dominant and getting a few title defenses WHICH NUMEROUS FIGHTERS HAVE ALSO DONE.
Wow and Jon actually went to heavyweight and won. G O A T
funny how he said jones was gonna get his after heavyweight and he absolutely did that guy fucking predicted it flawlessly especially after winning and was hyped up to be the goat again… picture perfect prediction lmao
That was the best breakdown I heard of Khabib subbing Gaethje
"Jones can take time off and still beat world-class athletes, who does that?!"
I think the answer you're looking for comes in picograms, my guy.
That is unrealistic for the average ufc fighter, along with even a good one. Jon is the GOAT
@@vibe9155 without roids jones aint nothing chill cheaters never win he just cant accept he love that coco and roids get real jones
Gsp can do that.
@@vibe9155 facts. I love seeing them act like salt enhancements are superpowers 😂
Gsp did lol
Shogun, rampage, Gustafson, Cormier, machida,
Now there’s a resume
chael rashad glover and gane too
If Rogan gets Khabib on he must have DC with him! That would be soo good
This is a joke. Normagamedov isn’t from this planet. He’s the best ever.
I’d 100% agree if he just had more title defences
No lol
@James Matthews I think jones is the goat Definately the best all round fighter ever imo. Khabib doesn’t have many title defences but you have to admit the guys he was fighting are pretty much the best of the best and he made it look easy
@@hazza77 Come on guy, best of the best?No.His biggest name was Connor McGreggor while Jones had names like Evans, Machida, Sonnen, Cormier etc.
@@machiavelliq8758 I didn’t say they were better than jones opponents but out of the current fighters in the ufc who are active I think lightweight is the most stacked. Come on he dominated gathje porier mcgregor barboza. Like I said before I still believe jones is the goat but I can see an argument for khabib especially if he had more title defences
"I'm not impressed by that conversation..."
- GSP
lmaoaoaoaoa
Gsp is the only person able to be in the GOAT conversation. To be in the conversation 1] You have to have never been CAUGHT using PED's (Jones & Sylvia are eliminated) 2] You have to have won belts in 2 separate weight division's. If Khabib chose to go to WW and fight Marty and won, then Khabob would be the clear GOAT as it would be the largest weight\division gap. But he retired, eliminating him from the conversation.
The GOAT status is like the stock market
Fact that people even talk about Jones as GOAT in this sport is just showing how much UFC is a joke.Person who failed multiple drug tests in any other sport would be lifetime suspended and erased from all recors of the sport.
But prior to that you can't deny his fight IQ and skill..He didn't need to take them but for some reason I think he panicked when it came to DC
@@DeltaUK57170 BUT BUT BUT. There are no Buts.
If you used drugs it's all over, you can't be a goat
@@PashaUlmach Right...I'm agreeing with you... However you can't deny he is most likely the most skilled fighter going...Its a shame he used steroids.
“Multiple” you talking bullshit
@@DeltaUK57170 Man you cant negate usage of PEDs.Let say your fighting IQ is a genius level IQ it is 10.My level IQ is 8.You are a genius, but i am highly inteligent person.You are an average athelete on level 6,but i am top level athlete on 9.I lead by 1 point.Now you take something that will put you on elite level athlete.Now you are 10-10,while i am 8-9.Now instead of me having advantage you are having advantage.PEDs can make i highly talented person in to godlike creature.If someone with his fighting IQ take something that will increase his strenght, explosivenes, reaction time, endurance, speed, IT IS UNFAIR ADVANTAGE.So stop trying to justify but his IQ is avesome, he took something that is increasing his phisical capabilities.He can have all his IQ but if he is not top level athlete he will lose.And it remains to be seing if he is top level athlete without PEDs.
I give it to Kabib even tho I'm a bigger fan of Bones. The fact that Jon actually lost a couple and got gift wins. Kabib never lost at all. Not even close
Dj is the goat
Jon will Jill him you know his dad ain’t there to defend cos he the man said bones the best