This is great content. You are not the only person to run into problems interpreting the documentation. While I appreciate the hard work the MiSTer devs put in, the quality of the documentation is mediocre. Simple tasks such as outputting YPbPr to a consumer set becomes strangely challenging.
Thanks so much for this. I use the Ironclad Plus as my IO board and I was having the same problem that you were. That board has jumper pins instead of a switch to change the SOG setting, drove me nuts messing with the .ini file until I found your video.
Hey there, just curious to see what your resolution to this issue was, and how you managed to change the SOG setting on the board. I’ve got an Ironclad Plus as well, and the SOG pin situation is confusing me. Do they need to be connected with some kind of jumper cap? I wish it were just a switch to toggle on and off like most others seem to have 😵💫
@@connorweaver5278 Yes, jumper caps do exist, you can also bend the pins, or jump them with a wire. Also, as I understand, the SoG settings in the INI file using recent MiSTer hardware, overrides the physical switch.
What you said really surprised me. I'm using an old AMD video card, the CRT Emudriver, the converter box from VGA to component just like you said. Its a pain and it doesn't feel as responsive as it should. I've seen some videos recommending run-ahead, but this causes nothing but problems, and it is also recommended to make individual settings for each and every game. All of this messing with run-ahead to poorly mimic what the Mister does out of the box.
Yep, I had the same crt emudriver setup and it was always requiring troubleshooting. The mister is so easy to use once configured, and everything just works. There are clones now of mister you can get pretty cheap. I never looked back after getting mister. It even has MisterCast now... You can send 240p output via an ethernet cord from your pc through the mister without all the crt emudriver headaches
Hello, I also bought a Toshiba TV with component (Ypbpr) connectors... and a component cable from AliExpress, please tell me, will there be a background noise above 20-30% of the volume? or is it better to use a 2RCA-3.5mm cable. (since my mister has a 3.5 connector for speakers)
@LameGaming I also use the FIIO Tanishan optical DAC, but I would like to use the built-in TV speakers. It is stereo. And the sound should be excellent, but I wonder if there will be overtones with this cable from AliExpress.. or is it better to use an optical DAC by connecting it to the TV via 2RCA-3.5mm.
day 1 with a mister, im having a hard time rn with tv out all i have is a vga to pr y pb transcoder and a vga to ypbpr i got from ultimate mister and on that little block the rca's are red white and yellow , also a switch on that block adaptor ypbpr to AV then that block shape blocks my mister's audio out , confusing AF . i also started from soft15k and crt emu driver years ago , im ordering the cable youre using asap and retrying
@ Im a little confused by the way you described your connection. If all you have is a vga cable then you will need to output in rgb and use a rgb to ypbpr transcoder, If you have a vga to bnc/rca cable then you can set the output to ypbpr and set your sync switch and connect straight to your crt
Finally got myself an excellent Sony Trinitron made in 2005, but the component input states 480i only in the manual, not sure if it will accept 240p or if I'll have to find a way to connect this thing via s-video or composite. I haven't gotten my Mister kit yet, just looking at the costs involved right now, currently have a genesis and snes hooked up to the CRT with everdrives and it's so awesome to see these pixels on a crt again.
Did your TV support 480p? I have a JVC AV-32WF47 that only supports 480i and I cannot get it working. Weirdly enough I can get that scrambled signal you had only when I leave ypbpr "off" in the settings. With it on, I get nothing. I've toggled the SOG switch, tried every relevant ini setting, and even tried every combination of plugging in the monoprice cable in case it was built wrong. Also, I confirmed component works on my CRT by hooking up an old DVD player with component. So either mister does not support some 480i CRT's, or my IO board is malfunctioning or I don't know what. I did hook up my Mister to component on a flat screen with the monoprice cable and it worked. As you can tell, I am at my wits end trying to figure this out.
Nope... None of my consumer crt's support 480p. When was the last time you updated mister? I wonder if your ini is corrupted somehow or maybe a setting is off. Ive noticed since last update the genesis core wont sync on my 36" jvc crt. I havent tried it on any other crts yet. I might be wrong but almost remember reading before about someone having issues with a jvc iart. Have you asked on mister forum, r/crtgaming, or r/fpgagaming ?
@@LameGamingi updated it before trying anything. no, I haven't been on the forums. I went to a friend's house who has a large Sony trinatron and it fired right up using your method in this video. literally on the first try after spending hours on the JVC messing with ini settings! so, I am on the hunt for a different CRT. the mister does not play well with the jvc and honestly that tv doesn't look great when it's working anyway
@@william18miller yeah, could be those i'arts are picky with signals. Might be something in the service menu that would solve the issue but i dont have one of these i'arts to test
@@LameGaming luckily I have original remote and was able to look up button combo to get into the service menu. I tried every setting I could and got nowhere as well. literally spent over 30 min in there. I agree that the jvc iarts are not the best for MiSter.. just a lot of frustration
I know this is an old video but im pretty sure you had the sync on green off in the first place and you actually turned it on. The position its in in your first picture is labled "off" on my case
Yeah they did it funky. Instead of sync on green on or off its sync on green over-ride on or off so over-ride on is actually turning it off or something 🤣 Kinda confusing... Or it was for my dumbass apparently 🤣 Im just running rgb now and on my component sets I have hooked up down the line i slapped in rgb to ypbpr transcoders I had lying around
I have the same Toshiba and the screen has a slight tilt. Drives my OCD crazy. Any suggestions on how to correct it? I went into the service menu and could not find anything that would correct it.
I havnt used mine much so cant remember if it had tilt in the service menu or not, if not you would have to manually adjust the yoke which can be scary and potentially dangerous your first time. I have a video demonstrating it but do your homework first and I take no liability 🤣👍
@@snkfightfan0187 Its fastest to make the adjustment with the set on but possible to do while its off and as long as you dont stick a screwdriver under the anode cap or poke around in the power supply circuit youd be fine. If your feeling ballsy lol.... Unplug, remove back housing,loosen yoke screw, make a tiny adjustment, slightly tighten yoke screw while holding it against wedges, test.... Repeat if necessary. Snug yoke screw when done but not too tight its a thin glass neck. Dont turn your converg/purity rings
@@LameGaming Thanks man. Appreciate the help. Update: So I went in there and it has epoxy which keeps me from moving it. I'm thinking this must have been a factory default.
What Toshiba CRT is that? I have a larger Toshiba as my smallest YPbPr component-capable CRT for the test bench but I really need a smaller one like that.
Its a 14AFxx series. Pretty nice little CRT for the size with component. Found this one for $10 on marketplace right around the beginning of the Rona scare. She said it was used in the kitchen about a year then was put up in a box. Was pretty mint with remote. I left the 10 in her mailbox and grabbed it off her porch lol.
@@LameGaming Thanks! I’ll keep a look out for one. I did notice a weird audio issue when testing NESRGB+HD Retrovision on the larger one I have and I’m curious if you’ve heard anything like it on this one: When you reach a castle at the end of a world in Super Mario Bros 3 and speak to Toad, it plays a high-pitched jingle that you hear again right after the fanfare from retrieving a Magic Wand. The audio levels start to go nuts here with volume going up and down like it is confusing some audio leveling/normalization circuitry. While the TV does have such features I confirmed that they are all turned off. This is repeatable! It doesn’t bother me too much since I don’t notice it in most games but I’m still curious to know if you happened to notice anything similar with yours. Thanks!
@@emmettturner9452 So you think its something specific with the Toshiba set or the nesrgb? I haven't played much of anything on the toshiba other than my supergrafx with an everdrive. I could try Mario 3 with mister or with my nesrgb and retrovision cables if I get a chance
@@LameGaming I think the TV is still processing the sound somehow even though I have all that disabled. My 12” composite-only Trinitron doesn’t do it. It could be capacitors or something.
@@LameGaming Dude. You’re not going to believe this but I totally just found a Toshiba 14AF45 at Goodwill for $4.99. I would’ve bought that in a heartbeat either way! No remote but I already have one plus my OSSC remote is programmed for it. My portable LCD remote also seems to power on/off Toshiba displays but can’t change input which requires the remote. This one is going on the test cart immediately!
What tv do you have that does this? I have not gone into service menu on this little toshiba yet but on my 27" sony and panasonic sets I used 240p test suite to calibrate and didnt have that issue in the service mode.
You should on most TV's also be able to screw on som potentiometers inside the TV to tune the TV. I had to adjust the focus and position on mine. But be careful when doing this, it's actually dangerous if you mess up and touch things you shouldn't. Be sure to watch some videos, of what to think about, before trying.
@@dustinspencer9278 I just recently spotted a 27" D series on marketplace... I've always wanted to try one out since they seem to be regarded as good sets ..right up there with trinitrons. I'd definitely be looking to get a replacement remote on eBay but I know the JVC D series are pretty rare today so the remotes are even rarer. If I remember correctly the note 2 had an ir blaster app that could be used as a remote on TVs. I think I got into my Sony fs120 service menu with it years ago when I misplaced the remote... Those phones are probably dirt cheap now and might be something to look into.
You’d only want to do that with the display. You wouldn’t want to do that with the MiSTer’s analog output because it would be downscaling the lines and losing resolution all while defeating the purpose of replicating the original analog output.
I knew Y was Luma and that Component syncs on Luma (or green) so assumed sync on green was a specific YPbPr/ component setting, But your right... I guess sync on green is a flavor of RGB sometimes called RGsB. But still, why does EVERY single document ive read or video ive seen, talking about getting component out of your mister - they specify the switch needs to be set to SOG?
@@LameGaming For what it's worth, i couldn't get my mister to correctly output RGsB even with the SOG switch. And you are right, even in the Mister settings THEMSELVES, it says you should have the SOG switched on for *Component* video. Also, Component video *is* sync on green. And to add to that, Y is luma, not brightness.
This is great content. You are not the only person to run into problems interpreting the documentation. While I appreciate the hard work the MiSTer devs put in, the quality of the documentation is mediocre. Simple tasks such as outputting YPbPr to a consumer set becomes strangely challenging.
Thanks so much for this. I use the Ironclad Plus as my IO board and I was having the same problem that you were. That board has jumper pins instead of a switch to change the SOG setting, drove me nuts messing with the .ini file until I found your video.
Glad it helped!
Hey there, just curious to see what your resolution to this issue was, and how you managed to change the SOG setting on the board. I’ve got an Ironclad Plus as well, and the SOG pin situation is confusing me. Do they need to be connected with some kind of jumper cap? I wish it were just a switch to toggle on and off like most others seem to have 😵💫
@@connorweaver5278 Yes, jumper caps do exist, you can also bend the pins, or jump them with a wire. Also, as I understand, the SoG settings in the INI file using recent MiSTer hardware, overrides the physical switch.
What you said really surprised me. I'm using an old AMD video card, the CRT Emudriver, the converter box from VGA to component just like you said. Its a pain and it doesn't feel as responsive as it should. I've seen some videos recommending run-ahead, but this causes nothing but problems, and it is also recommended to make individual settings for each and every game. All of this messing with run-ahead to poorly mimic what the Mister does out of the box.
Yep, I had the same crt emudriver setup and it was always requiring troubleshooting. The mister is so easy to use once configured, and everything just works. There are clones now of mister you can get pretty cheap. I never looked back after getting mister. It even has MisterCast now... You can send 240p output via an ethernet cord from your pc through the mister without all the crt emudriver headaches
“OK, I missed that boat.”
LOL! Me too, bro. Me too.
Just scored 9 pvm's when all hope was lost lol.
@@LameGaming I think I saw that somewhere. You go, bro. :) Awesome score!
You’re doing gods work.
Thanks for all the help!
Hello, I also bought a Toshiba TV with component (Ypbpr) connectors... and a component cable from AliExpress, please tell me, will there be a background noise above 20-30% of the volume? or is it better to use a 2RCA-3.5mm cable. (since my mister has a 3.5 connector for speakers)
@@tdmax2288 I use the optical audio output to a soundbar. The misters 3.5 works fine but is lower quality
@LameGaming I also use the FIIO Tanishan optical DAC, but I would like to use the built-in TV speakers. It is stereo. And the sound should be excellent, but I wonder if there will be overtones with this cable from AliExpress.. or is it better to use an optical DAC by connecting it to the TV via 2RCA-3.5mm.
day 1 with a mister, im having a hard time rn with tv out all i have is a vga to pr y pb transcoder and a vga to ypbpr i got from ultimate mister and on that little block the rca's are red white and yellow , also a switch on that block adaptor ypbpr to AV then that block shape blocks my mister's audio out , confusing AF . i also started from soft15k and crt emu driver years ago , im ordering the cable youre using asap and retrying
@@SegaNomad95 luckily once u have it setup its super simple and reliable. Are you trying to output ypbpr or rgb?
@@LameGaming ypbpr that is what my old panasonic 32" crt reads on rear
@ Im a little confused by the way you described your connection. If all you have is a vga cable then you will need to output in rgb and use a rgb to ypbpr transcoder, If you have a vga to bnc/rca cable then you can set the output to ypbpr and set your sync switch and connect straight to your crt
Finally got myself an excellent Sony Trinitron made in 2005, but the component input states 480i only in the manual, not sure if it will accept 240p or if I'll have to find a way to connect this thing via s-video or composite. I haven't gotten my Mister kit yet, just looking at the costs involved right now, currently have a genesis and snes hooked up to the CRT with everdrives and it's so awesome to see these pixels on a crt again.
It should handle 240p, The 480i only mention is probably to denote its not 480p capable.
@@LameGaming yeah can confirm, the genesis I have is component modded and it worked on it just fine.
Love that PVM :)
Thanks LOL, Ive got a ton of real ones now!
Broh you should be narrating books .. start a channel where you read classic litt.. I would watch
Id probably put people to sleep 🤣🤣🤣
@@LameGaming broh with your delivery it would be funny af , just add some funny reactions here and there lol
what kinda classic literature do u like?
Did your TV support 480p? I have a JVC AV-32WF47 that only supports 480i and I cannot get it working.
Weirdly enough I can get that scrambled signal you had only when I leave ypbpr "off" in the settings. With it on, I get nothing. I've toggled the SOG switch, tried every relevant ini setting, and even tried every combination of plugging in the monoprice cable in case it was built wrong.
Also, I confirmed component works on my CRT by hooking up an old DVD player with component.
So either mister does not support some 480i CRT's, or my IO board is malfunctioning or I don't know what.
I did hook up my Mister to component on a flat screen with the monoprice cable and it worked. As you can tell, I am at my wits end trying to figure this out.
Nope... None of my consumer crt's support 480p.
When was the last time you updated mister? I wonder if your ini is corrupted somehow or maybe a setting is off.
Ive noticed since last update the genesis core wont sync on my 36" jvc crt. I havent tried it on any other crts yet.
I might be wrong but almost remember reading before about someone having issues with a jvc iart. Have you asked on mister forum, r/crtgaming, or r/fpgagaming ?
@@LameGamingi updated it before trying anything. no, I haven't been on the forums. I went to a friend's house who has a large Sony trinatron and it fired right up using your method in this video. literally on the first try after spending hours on the JVC messing with ini settings!
so, I am on the hunt for a different CRT. the mister does not play well with the jvc and honestly that tv doesn't look great when it's working anyway
@@william18miller yeah, could be those i'arts are picky with signals. Might be something in the service menu that would solve the issue but i dont have one of these i'arts to test
@@LameGaming luckily I have original remote and was able to look up button combo to get into the service menu. I tried every setting I could and got nowhere as well. literally spent over 30 min in there. I agree that the jvc iarts are not the best for MiSter.. just a lot of frustration
I know this is an old video but im pretty sure you had the sync on green off in the first place and you actually turned it on. The position its in in your first picture is labled "off" on my case
Yeah they did it funky. Instead of sync on green on or off its sync on green over-ride on or off so over-ride on is actually turning it off or something 🤣
Kinda confusing... Or it was for my dumbass apparently 🤣
Im just running rgb now and on my component sets I have hooked up down the line i slapped in rgb to ypbpr transcoders I had lying around
I have the same Toshiba and the screen has a slight tilt. Drives my OCD crazy. Any suggestions on how to correct it? I went into the service menu and could not find anything that would correct it.
I havnt used mine much so cant remember if it had tilt in the service menu or not, if not you would have to manually adjust the yoke which can be scary and potentially dangerous your first time.
I have a video demonstrating it but do your homework first and I take no liability 🤣👍
@@LameGaming Won't be messing with the yoke. Mess around and get fried. 🤣 I'll just deal with it when I game on it. Thank you.
@@snkfightfan0187 Its fastest to make the adjustment with the set on but possible to do while its off and as long as you dont stick a screwdriver under the anode cap or poke around in the power supply circuit youd be fine.
If your feeling ballsy lol....
Unplug, remove back housing,loosen yoke screw, make a tiny adjustment, slightly tighten yoke screw while holding it against wedges, test.... Repeat if necessary. Snug yoke screw when done but not too tight its a thin glass neck.
Dont turn your converg/purity rings
@@LameGaming Thanks man. Appreciate the help.
Update: So I went in there and it has epoxy which keeps me from moving it. I'm thinking this must have been a factory default.
@@snkfightfan0187 Ahhh...yeah a bonded yoke, my 36" jvc is like that but luckily its set pretty good.
Good job for looking though, cant win em all
What Toshiba CRT is that? I have a larger Toshiba as my smallest YPbPr component-capable CRT for the test bench but I really need a smaller one like that.
Its a 14AFxx series. Pretty nice little CRT for the size with component.
Found this one for $10 on marketplace right around the beginning of the Rona scare. She said it was used in the kitchen about a year then was put up in a box. Was pretty mint with remote. I left the 10 in her mailbox and grabbed it off her porch lol.
@@LameGaming Thanks! I’ll keep a look out for one. I did notice a weird audio issue when testing NESRGB+HD Retrovision on the larger one I have and I’m curious if you’ve heard anything like it on this one:
When you reach a castle at the end of a world in Super Mario Bros 3 and speak to Toad, it plays a high-pitched jingle that you hear again right after the fanfare from retrieving a Magic Wand. The audio levels start to go nuts here with volume going up and down like it is confusing some audio leveling/normalization circuitry. While the TV does have such features I confirmed that they are all turned off. This is repeatable! It doesn’t bother me too much since I don’t notice it in most games but I’m still curious to know if you happened to notice anything similar with yours. Thanks!
@@emmettturner9452 So you think its something specific with the Toshiba set or the nesrgb?
I haven't played much of anything on the toshiba other than my supergrafx with an everdrive.
I could try Mario 3 with mister or with my nesrgb and retrovision cables if I get a chance
@@LameGaming I think the TV is still processing the sound somehow even though I have all that disabled. My 12” composite-only Trinitron doesn’t do it. It could be capacitors or something.
@@LameGaming Dude. You’re not going to believe this but I totally just found a Toshiba 14AF45 at Goodwill for $4.99. I would’ve bought that in a heartbeat either way! No remote but I already have one plus my OSSC remote is programmed for it. My portable LCD remote also seems to power on/off Toshiba displays but can’t change input which requires the remote. This one is going on the test cart immediately!
1:31 - been there
I wish there was a way to change the size of the screen so nothing gets cut off with having to go into the tv service mode.
What tv do you have that does this? I have not gone into service menu on this little toshiba yet but on my 27" sony and panasonic sets I used 240p test suite to calibrate and didnt have that issue in the service mode.
@@LameGaming I have a 27" JVC D Series. I was given it for free but has no original remote.
You should on most TV's also be able to screw on som potentiometers inside the TV to tune the TV. I had to adjust the focus and position on mine. But be careful when doing this, it's actually dangerous if you mess up and touch things you shouldn't. Be sure to watch some videos, of what to think about, before trying.
@@dustinspencer9278 I just recently spotted a 27" D series on marketplace... I've always wanted to try one out since they seem to be regarded as good sets ..right up there with trinitrons. I'd definitely be looking to get a replacement remote on eBay but I know the JVC D series are pretty rare today so the remotes are even rarer.
If I remember correctly the note 2 had an ir blaster app that could be used as a remote on TVs. I think I got into my Sony fs120 service menu with it years ago when I misplaced the remote... Those phones are probably dirt cheap now and might be something to look into.
You’d only want to do that with the display. You wouldn’t want to do that with the MiSTer’s analog output because it would be downscaling the lines and losing resolution all while defeating the purpose of replicating the original analog output.
SOG refers to RGB. Component green refers to Y or brightness.
I knew Y was Luma and that Component syncs on Luma (or green) so assumed sync on green was a specific YPbPr/ component setting, But your right... I guess sync on green is a flavor of RGB sometimes called RGsB. But still, why does EVERY single document ive read or video ive seen, talking about getting component out of your mister - they specify the switch needs to be set to SOG?
@@LameGaming For what it's worth, i couldn't get my mister to correctly output RGsB even with the SOG switch. And you are right, even in the Mister settings THEMSELVES, it says you should have the SOG switched on for *Component* video.
Also, Component video *is* sync on green. And to add to that, Y is luma, not brightness.