Do you agree with Jinsil's position on my unluckiest idol chart (as seen at the end of the video)? Oh and also, sorry if i looked like i was reading off a script, I had just recovered from seasonal allergies, so my throat was extremely dry and i couldn't really do retakes or i would basically run out of voice (if that makes sense ahahah)
Hey thanks for the vid, next time could you do a boy group or boy group member, also a few wierd situations with bigger groups like the T-ara thing, etc Yes I agree, she really suffered. Also I liked your hairstyle.
I really, really hope Jinsil becomes a full-on industry choreographer/dance trainer! She could totally make a great career out of it because she's clearly super talented. Jinsil, if you ever come across this comment somehow, please start a RUclips channel with some dance teaching videos, and use it to advertise your classes!
Anyone else thinking about the MASKED DANCER who replaced Handong during Dreamcatcher's Scream era? She was literally part of the group, not just a backup dancer, but as far as I know we don't even know who she was. Just speculation. She was SO good & could have been an idol
@@k2943 Im being serious I really didn't know it was someone else. I don't watch many performance so I guess I didn't notice and just assumed it was her.
@@P361-b1s oh sorry if I sounded rude, but Handong was in China competing on Idol Producer and do to Covid, she had to stay in China for a pretty long time for the Scream and Boca eras
This just shows how brutal the Kpop industry is if you don’t debut in the big three the chances of success are slim or you will have to be very very lucky
@@mysteriogaming478 not necessarily. Hello Venus was in Fantagio and they werent super popular. Lovelyz is also fairly underrated, and AOA got super lucky that they changed concepts at the right time, or else they would've remained unpopular
It’s crazy how in the kpop industry, you’re nothing without your/a company. Where in the states, companies are nothing without their artist (since companies in the US industry don’t ~typically~ make/form their own artist, hence why we also can’t name at the top of our heads what record company a specific artist is signed to)
oh you are totally right! I can't even name one company of western artists but in the Kpop industry you automatically garner a lot of attention when you are in a big company
Well there are also some example, where the group gained more success after member change. Exid for example, Red Velvet, and if the scandal through Hyunjoo wouldn't have happend April was gaining more and more success in 2020. But yeah, there are way more examples of the groups going down.
Ploopy, if you are interested... there is also ONE MORE idol with as much debuts as Jinsil (she's also in the same age range as her)... her name is Jein (or Amin), she's currently a member of HeyGirls, but was also in HeyMiss, Fantastie, Cupid & Honey Girls!
@@cheesySOS no no no, I mean it is possible. But the Honey Girls Im talking about is a Korean group that debuted under LiZ Ent, released one track, that was a straight up copy of an EXID song (or maybe it was AOA), it had no MV. After their debut two of them left and they just disappeared and than their company switched ALL of their accounts to Chic Angel (their new group) and never acknowladged Honey Girls again. (And when Im saying EVERYTHING I mean EVERYTHING, like even their Melon profile, straight up deleted that Honey Girls album from Melon, i didnt even know companies can do that lol)
@@aprils1888 oh wow thats iffy. Well i remember some channel talking about that group made of Japanese (maybe with korean members too?)av stars, so I was curious
The Hexe situation makes me so angry like what is the point of debuting a group if you can't...make a group like what even is that?!! Why were they not in music videos it makes no sense oh my gosh my head hurts
Possibly that one woman was funding it and wanted to debut but they said that maybe they'd do better as a group and got one together. Though she still wanted to be solo, when the group disbanded they probably saw she could get views by herself and went with her being a soloist. (I'm not sure, just a theory)
i hope jinsil can become a choreographer and/or dance teacher:) maybe the idol life isnt just for her but maybe she can train some trainees who will maybe become famous in the future
Like Cheshir Ha, she works with Lisa from BP and just choreographed for someone else. Jinsil is a really good dancer so i would hope she can become a big choreographer
It's interesting to think that people heavily applaud and praise Red Velvet's Irene because she's "too pretty" for her age and people are fascinated by the fact that " _she's reaching 30s but she's still gorgeous i love her_ " mentality and yet people hate it for some reason if an idol debuts older than average idol age. I even notice some toxic iz*one stans bash Eunbi for her age back then. What a crazy society
That's like some male idols, I forgot who exactly, but they came back in their early 30s and so many people were surprised they still looked handsome?? Like do people really think you turn 30 and suddenly look old and ugly??
@@Written_in_the_Starss she is an icon... an ambitious icon, a stubborn icon, an icon that never gives up, an ispirational icon, a dance icon. Not a lot of people can be iconic like her. Slay on, Jinsil, you're a queen. Also who are you to tell me who is and isnt an icon, i can call whoever I want an icon. Or am I not allowed to complement people?
@@lisamitchell7912 Yes. Cascada is technically 3 members: one vocalist and 2 DJs. The DJs don't appear in their music videos, nor do they attend gigs, so everyone thinks that Natalie is Cascada by herself. I'm sorry, it's just as soon as I heard "Most people didn't know that Hexe were a group at all," I immediately thought of Cascada, because they're in the exact same situation.
Life is so unpredictable, Bts V didn't even wanted to be an idol but look now he is top global star and there's Jinsil who constantly working hard to make her dream come true but to no avail. This just proves how much luck matters.
I kinda wish people who didn't want to do that kind of work in the first place wouldn't do it because it leaves less room for those of us who wanted to...like I know a guy who is decent at rapping and popping but he hates it! He hates performing, having to interact with fans, the whole thing. Apparently he only started because a crush he had admired hiphop...so now he gets all the attention and others I know who want this and work hard are pushed aside.
it really sucks. but i guess it's a destiny thing. v was always destined to be an idol. and sometimes no matter how hard we try or want something, it's just not for you. took a long time for me to accept this
I don’t feel as sad about this as I thought I would. Even tho all of her debuts failed, she still was consistently employed in the entertainment industry & got to spend the past decade on the stage, even if it wasn’t front and center. I’m glad that at least one “failed idol” managed to still create a successful career in entertainment!
hexe as a group made no sense, why didn't that soye girl just debut as a soloist from the beginning? why waste the other group members' time like that? although tbh it seemed the other girls (sans jinsil) were totally fine with soye getting all the attention... anyway i would only be willing to train for a maximum of 5 years. if in 5 years the company i'm under still won't debut me i'll go do something else lol
And if you go do something else, you have a training debt on you that would take 20-30 years to pay off. You think you can escape the sunk cost fallacy?
Me too, especially when you started training in the late years after some time just leave. I mean she could have built an alternative career by now. Best look for her
Because one of the obligations a management company generally has is that they HAVE to debut an idol within a certain time period or the idol can walk away or sign with a new management company and owes them no reimbursement for training costs. By debuting “a group”, EVEN if only one of the members is ever promoted, featured or showcased as long as the other girls debuted and are technically “members” of an active group the companies have met that portion of the contract. It’s rare but there are actually former idols who have mentioned that they have been released by some management companies because they weren’t able to debut them, whether it be they were focusing their efforts on other groups or artists at the time, didn’t have the funds or simply didn’t have a group with a concept they would fit at the time.
you never saw the other members so how could be sure they were fine with it? 😂 they probably weren't listened to and brushed off when they tried to speak to management. the ceo or whatever was probably related to soye in some way. or they were dating. the other members had no power basically.
Tbh I really like this series you’re doing to bring less-known people into the spotlight. I think, through that, you’re handling your position as a relatively big k-pop creator on youtube exactly as you should!
when I was a young kpop fan (12 now I'm 17) without any smartphones devices, I only rely kpop on television and radio. when there's a new unknown groups on the tely, I would focus on the backup dancers cause sometimes their are more attention grabbing than the group itself
I never paid much attention to backup dancers but this video really made me think about them a lot more. I hope she can find her way again as a dance teacher or a youtuber tbh, it takes a lot of courage to try so many times without giving up! As for the question, I don't think I would last a single month as an idol. The industry is, as Kpopalypse said, obsessed with idols' physical perfection while completely disregarding their physical health at the same time. So I would probably get sick after days of 12-14 hours of dance practice in a row. And of course there's the look aspect, if you're not insanely pretty you won't make it no matter how talented you are, and even in Jinsil's case you can be pretty and talented and still not make it unless you have a lot of luck.
She didn't failed, by any stretch of definitions, she had 10+ years experience working in an extremely competitive industry. Disbandment isn't a failure of the artists, it's the failure of the company that promoted said artists. While many took the disbandment of their group as a sign of the end of their career, Jimsil instead chose to persevere with her dream & never gave up, no matter how many odds stacked against her, & that's respectable as heck! She's a talented dancer, so i'm sure there are still many more opportunities for her, as long as she wants to. I wish her the best luck for her future endeavours & will be following her career with great interest!
@Mary I guess it's ok if I do this here because her name already got mentioned here. Sera was a member in the group NineMuses or 9Muses in 2010 with 'No playboy' but left the group in 2014 after the Gun comeback (if I remember right now...). She started a YT channel (Sera Ryu) were she reacted to MV and Comebacks from small and larger groups, as she said, she's doing that to promote unpopular groups which in my opinion is a very lovely thing to do. (Maybe because her group, who had a lot of people looking forward but then didn't become so popular and since the girl had - to keep it short - not a nice time - and so some of them wanted to leave as soon as possible to debut solo (again it's only what I can remember)). She as a person is also very kind and sweet, she's a big fangirl of LOONA and DREAMCATCHER. I know her since she got - I think that it was in a @Ploopy678 video when she got meansioned the documentary. It's been a bit of time now but I basically watched the NineMuses documentary by the BBC which documented their debut (They weren't to interfere in their debut process btw...) and her face was the one where my brain was like "the others are pretty to but I love her face a lot and want to learn more about her"
You got to give Jinsil credit. She kept doing her job as a backup dancer but went for the idol opportunity when it came her way. I hope she finds what she's looking for.
Love these series! Im actually happy that she is a successful back up dancer. I've always found dancers and choreographers very cool, they are mostly gone unnoticed but play so much role in a group's career! Indeed being a dancer is hella amazing, really! You're not the star but you are still the part of the show wearing cute clothes. Also, you get a chance to meet many celebrities! I love that!! I might even say being dancer is better than being an idol, cuz you don't have to deal with negative comments and stuff either.
Apparently, she's still going after her idol dreams. Jinsil is gettind RE-DEBUTED as announced on Monday! It seems to be a reboot of BLASTARS under a larger company this time, as she's with 3 other members from the team (one must have decided to not reboot)! Maybe this will finally be the breakthrough she needs to become an idol! Wish her luck!
Impressive research. Honestly I admire this girl for being so persistent. It's sad that life isn't always fair and hardwork isn't always rewarded -- not just in kpop. At this point, most trainees/idol hopefuls need more than just luck on their side because there are so many things going against them. I hope she can find success in other ways despite not being able to realize her dream of becoming a kpop idol.
Haha, given PF's history, it's extremely fitting that she'd end up working with Pink Fantasy in SOME capacity :D Is Moontrue her dancer stage name? The other choreographer is Peacock for both songs Moontrue is credited for, and i think they work with the group still. Debuting a 30 year old is not something companies usually want to do, if this group is supposed to be kinda permanent, it seems the industry is afraid of people showing that they are indeed human and can age. Pink Fantasy themselves re-debuted Aina, who was 29 at the time, and she had to give up activity a year or so later due to developing pain in the limbs. It stands to reason that the "hidden member" is likely also around that age, but she's not going anywhere, i think. Pursuing idol's career? Mhm i happen to know someone who is crazy pretty, insanely good dancer, sings, secretly plays several instruments, composes, produces, is multilingual, has no trouble handling a lot of fans, and was scouted by agencies a number of times; but she always thought it's not worth it, not for the risks involved, crazy amount of work and mediocre prospects.
I think more than ageing it's the standard. Kpop idols generally have age range btw 15-16 to 24- 26 yr old. So it is understandable why they want to avoid taking someone too old. But I think she does have potential to be dance choreographer.
@@Vor567tez Mhm it's not like career of established idols is over once they cross the 27 year mark? Look at Sunmi, Ha:tfelt, Yubin, Taeyeon, Ailee, Solar? Um Jung Hwa might be a little bit too much of an exception, she might not really be doing that much longer. But she did do a number with Hwasa just a couple months ago!
In the 90's a popular girl group kicked out a member after it was revealed she as actually thirty? Like if she was doing just fine,then why kick her out?
ahhh i think this is so interesting! i feel like within the kpop cover community, a lot of backup dancers and choreographers are starting to get a lot more recognition with fanbases as online class teachers thru companies like edkpop or like the site that jinsil is teaching with. a p101 trainee, hwang sooyeon i believe?, is a choreographer for dreamcatcher and has been teaching a lot and gaining more fans. jihyang, a dancer for many artists including most recently hyuna and bambam, has also been teaching a lot and has ppl that are specifically creating fancams for her during stages after discovering her from taking online class (which i only know bc i’ve also been taking those same classes lol) i’m hoping that jinsil continues to gain traction 🥺 and finds success that feels fulfilling for her regardless of if it’s in a debuted group or not. thanks for the video ploopy!! gonna go binge the rest of your series hehe
I'm gonna need a whole explanation to HEXE now because... what in the world?! Just a note, I wouldn't doubt that she got mad people liked the group video better and decided to end the group.
Wait... "Hexe" is the German word for witch... That means their album "# witches" is just their bandname in plural and in English... But why did they give their group a German name??? Maybe they just liked the word XD
I appreciate the effort but I first didn't realize it until I read your comment, even tho I AM German myself lol. Thx for telling me! At first I very much thought that it was a different way of writing a number, like the 'hexagon' thing(?). I would just guess to try to be popular and to get the public to talk about them, because German is for some reason (I know 1930s to 1940s VERY ungly stuff...) extremely popular on the internet. {I know that (we're "popular") because even tho I myself usually thing about the things from 80 years ago, but then the internet also reminds me, no worries I can deal with it very good. :D (it's an emotional mix of: sadness, hate, a sprinkle of embarrassment [the kind were you almost want to scream because you can't understand how... much stupidity you have to have, just from hunger, homelessness, poor(-ness). Basically you know their past but you still can't understand how incredibly hateful you have to feel for those things to end up with these unforgettable things], and last but not least confusion for their ways with dealing with depression.) Like: wtf just *how* can you tor.ture others and can be like "nope that's perfectly fine". Oh dear I *don't*, never ever, not in infinite, like them. (-> they upset me a lot) Just call them pigs, they deserve it so so so... so much xD.} Therefore I guess that if someone said "oh that's German", then their group has a chance of becoming famous, as a consequence because people are talking about them. :)
going to support jinsil as much as i can now. This series is so good and i hope you continue bc we get to see idols that have gone unnoticed and giving them the appreciation and support they deserve.
I LOVE your content. With the exception of the last coincidence, you actually do k-pop content no one else is doing or even thinks about. Like, how the heck do you get the idea to do this? I just feel like most people do videos about k-pop on things I already knew about, but I actually learn new stuff all the time with yours. You're awesome.
I haved the pleasure to interview Various in january 2018 and jinsil was so happy/proud, talkative and excited with the debut/comeback and be with various. I still have the album shadow with their signs… Is so sad to hear about how unluckiest she was/is.
The amount of hard work you put into all of your videos... it’s amazing! You’re amazing! I really really enjoy your videos and I hope you get so much more attention on your channel... And just so much more
Here’s a fun theory to think about: what if during Scream era the masked dancer that was in Handong’s place was a different trainee every stage performance and that’s why everyone thinks she’s a different person. Cause each girl IS and that Scream era was their test to see if they’re prepared to debut? Just something fun y’all free to add your own or even theories from other eras too!❤️🔥
Sometimes the things we want aren't always the thing we need. I believe she was meant to be a dancer, she would have been more successful that way. As negative as I may sound , it's sometimes it's to just give up and try new things . We aren't only meant for one thing. I hope her the best.
This is when fans, like me and you, follow many underrated groups and support when we can!! I'm glad there's people with any form of following that talk about groups/idols like this.
For every kpop idol who is successful, there are 100 kpop idols who have an unstable career, low income, dismal work conditions and uncertain prospects. Even those who are successful can be plagued by sasaengs, paparazzi, and the mental issues that come from being on the spotlight. Most kpop idols are actually much better off having a stable backup dancer career and enjoying a healthy and normal lifestyle. They may even be able to keep a day job that will sustain them once they retire.
shes clearly a talented dancer ! Her choreography for Pink Fantasy is great :) i hope shes happy as a booked and busy dancer even though it seems like she wants to be an idol
Jinsil seems like a kind, savvy, and hard working woman. it’s really a shame she had that streak of being in girl groups that kept disbanding, she seems like an amazing dancer and my heart aches for her to have success as an idol in the spotlight. like seriously, imagine spending your prime years (a kpop idols prime years tend to be 16-30) in a cycle of excitement and hope then being let down time and time again with each recruitment and then subsequent disbandment. after all of that, by now, you are “ToO oLd” to be a kpop idol. I’d feel like my “chance” was wasted. I hope she is doing well and has an abundant life. I really wish things would change for ageism in kpop.
I love your editing style and sense of humor. Also your research seems pretty thorough and delivery is easy to understand. Hope you can be healthy so we can see more from you! 👍
Even though I don't listen to kpop much , I have always heavily been interested in learning more about the k-pop working industry and especially about artists who don't become successful even after working so hard 😢 I love this series , thanks for going out of your way and researching about this toxic k-pop working industry.
wow i had no idea she choreographed pink fantasy's fantasy and playing house! fantasy is an amazing choreo that lutist love. she's super talented and i really hope she does succeed in her future endeavors.
I learned BLASTAR 'one way' choreography and streamed the sht out of it for MONTHS. All up until their disbandment. They and SECRET NUMBER were my favourite debuts of the year and I streamed them endlessly. It actually hurt my heart when we recieved the news of BLASTARs disbandment, and looking how SECRET NUMBER is going as well, I'm feeling down
Nooo, pleaseee Don't stop supporting SECRET NUMBER, even tho we're still not getting any information abt their comeback, but I still believe that they're working on their comeback(according to some hints the members have given). We have to trust them. But at the end of the day, it's your choice tho, so, it's not like I'm going to force you or someting 😅 anyways, Stan SECRET NUMBER y'all ❤️
@@sitinurulfajriati6429 yeah, I don't plan on leaving anytime soon, I love our girls, I'm just worried. I too am patiently waiting for their comeback. We gonna make it work for them!! ❤
@@sitinurulfajriati6429 fr though secret number cb has been long overdue. Maybe the company is currently struggling financially since Vine is alsto a small company. I sincerely hope they're currently working on something. They still upload in their RUclips channel though every once in a while so that's a good sign at least.
Would honestly love to see a video on HEXE because that is one...bizarre situation to be in. It's like how everyone views Destiny's Child but the other members unironically LEGIT barely existing. That said, I do hope Jinsil maybe makes a RUclips channel or something where she can be better seen. She'd make a fantastic dance teacher with all of her experience.
“It makes no sense to close off these opportunities based off of age.” Unfortunately for a lot of entertainment industries, it makes sense because it all boils down to one thing: Pedophilia. Look at the show that formed Twice, Sixteen. Watch that show and see how every underage person on that show was sexualized. The “pink Lamborghini” performance was evidence enough. Jinsil is so freaking gorgeous STILL but you wouldn’t be able to tell she’s 30 until you look at her profile like 🤢 YG 🤢 did. It’s disappointing because she’s just as talented as many idols who have “made it”. But it doesn’t matter about talent in this disgusting industry…
Who is paying for "entertainment"? Who is the core audience for Twice and Sixteen? If 30 year-old idols can sell to these group, they will be 30 year old girl groups.
Binging your channel lol. I also made the article on allkpop when Jinsil redebuted in Blastar. It's really cool seeing you do more research on my articles and it's crazy how viral my articles became
I used to be a pretty big 24K fan when I first got into k-pop because they were decently popular around debut and I ended up going to a concert of theirs I’m sad that shit became so messy later on, I’m still unsure of what exactly happened
@@michellesmirnova4471 Having 5 of the 6 original members and a manager blacklisted by the government certainly didn't help them. Aside from the sketchy management moves
I remember being so shocked when nobody knew them when they went on mixnine. Being an international fan ofc I knew them and they had a decent international following, but they were unknown in Korean. And not like other groups that are mainly popular in the west, they were just unknown.
I worked for Disney as a performer for 8 years. But before that, I auditioned year after year and was told I would never get it. Some days I really regretted not just giving up on my dream- especially when I knew even if I got it it very well could be bad for me. That's what attracts me so much to this ugly backside of the music we all enjoy so much. I see myself in these girls and I want to root for them and cry for them at the same time. I'm sure they know the same- no matter how much they want to be idols that ultimately it could be terrible for them too. Even though I did get the job eventually- when I really looked at it it wasn't because I worked harder, or wanted it more, or that I was more talented. I got lucky. And that was a hard reality to accept, especially when the job ended up being a source of trauma down the road. I think Jinsil is really admirable, and this video was really respectful. I hope she sees it and feels the same way too. I'm lucky now that I am in a position where I feel like all those tears and hard work have payed off- I hope she can see this video and feel the same way. I'd follow her journey now 100%. I'm glad her story is being told!
Thank you for yet another informative video! Jinsil is a really good choreographer, the dancing scene in PinkFantasy's mv is amazing! BTW I found you use a lot of footage from MIXNINE and I'm a big fan of the show, it has left behind so many regrets.... hope you get a chance to talk about it ^_^
don't forget that she would have auditioned for far more companies, those are just the companies that she was accepted in. the kpop system is completely ageist.
Do you agree with Jinsil's position on my unluckiest idol chart (as seen at the end of the video)?
Oh and also, sorry if i looked like i was reading off a script, I had just recovered from seasonal allergies, so my throat was extremely dry and i couldn't really do retakes or i would basically run out of voice (if that makes sense ahahah)
Yeah, I agree!
I think I agree but I might not after 1 hour because period mood swings you know.
Hey thanks for the vid, next time could you do a boy group or boy group member, also a few wierd situations with bigger groups like the T-ara thing, etc
Yes I agree, she really suffered.
Also I liked your hairstyle.
BTW could you link Moon Jinsil's page. I want to learn from her.
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Is she a failed KPop star, or a pretty successful and consistently booked dancer? Perspective!
Exactly...
I was also thinking the same she must've made some bank since she always had a market
Yes i think she is a successful dancer
This, she gets to follow her passion without the headache of people tryna snoop in every little corner of her private life, it's actually not bad.
She’s both-
Did YG seriously say 28 is the age that idols retire... When he literally debuted Park Bom and Dara at 25...? I can't with that man...
*yang hyunsuk
To YG's dungeon with you! And all the 28 year olds.
@@SianaGearz thanks for the disrespect
man's a whole clown
yg can go f himself. if thats the case then why don't he disband big bang because all of them are pushing 30
I really, really hope Jinsil becomes a full-on industry choreographer/dance trainer! She could totally make a great career out of it because she's clearly super talented. Jinsil, if you ever come across this comment somehow, please start a RUclips channel with some dance teaching videos, and use it to advertise your classes!
She did a few smaller kpop group dance choreo as seen from her Instagram posts
@@smileysana3722 it was shown on the video.
Anyone else thinking about the MASKED DANCER who replaced Handong during Dreamcatcher's Scream era? She was literally part of the group, not just a backup dancer, but as far as I know we don't even know who she was. Just speculation. She was SO good & could have been an idol
I thought the masked dancer name was Kang Riye?
That WASN'T Handong???? I thought she just wore a mask because it suited the concept??
@@P361-b1s I can’t tell if you’re joking or being serious lol
@@k2943 Im being serious I really didn't know it was someone else. I don't watch many performance so I guess I didn't notice and just assumed it was her.
@@P361-b1s oh sorry if I sounded rude, but Handong was in China competing on Idol Producer and do to Covid, she had to stay in China for a pretty long time for the Scream and Boca eras
RUclips has been a huge opportunity for idols who face bad luck in the industry. Online classes could really be her thing
This just shows how brutal the Kpop industry is if you don’t debut in the big three the chances of success are slim or you will have to be very very lucky
Or debut in the slightly smaller but we'll known companies like starship etc
@@Vanilla_Baker44 yah If you debut in
Starship woollim fantagio and FNC and KQ then the debut will be fine
@N3K0NAK0 well it’s just luck there’s gonna probably be another group that will get really lucky as well
@@mysteriogaming478 not necessarily. Hello Venus was in Fantagio and they werent super popular. Lovelyz is also fairly underrated, and AOA got super lucky that they changed concepts at the right time, or else they would've remained unpopular
So truee
It’s crazy how in the kpop industry, you’re nothing without your/a company. Where in the states, companies are nothing without their artist (since companies in the US industry don’t ~typically~ make/form their own artist, hence why we also can’t name at the top of our heads what record company a specific artist is signed to)
oh you are totally right! I can't even name one company of western artists but in the Kpop industry you automatically garner a lot of attention when you are in a big company
It’s different cultures as well the celebrity life can be way different as well
Totally agree.
You just took the words out of my mouth
i only know RCA records because they're awful at promoting (britney spears [since 2012], christina aguilera, normani..)
what I learned from this:
NEVER join a prexisting kpop group
Yeri joined red velvet later, but both her and the group is doing great tho?
Well there are also some example, where the group gained more success after member change. Exid for example, Red Velvet, and if the scandal through Hyunjoo wouldn't have happend April was gaining more and more success in 2020.
But yeah, there are way more examples of the groups going down.
I mean Kara became like the second best selling 2nd gen GG after Hara and Jiyoung were added.
unless you're yeri
More like unless it's a group from big companies
Ploopy, if you are interested... there is also ONE MORE idol with as much debuts as Jinsil (she's also in the same age range as her)... her name is Jein (or Amin), she's currently a member of HeyGirls, but was also in HeyMiss, Fantastie, Cupid & Honey Girls!
wait is honey girls the group made out of AV stars from japan. (Not meant as hate just genuine question)
@@cheesySOS no no no, I mean it is possible.
But the Honey Girls Im talking about is a Korean group that debuted under LiZ Ent, released one track, that was a straight up copy of an EXID song (or maybe it was AOA), it had no MV. After their debut two of them left and they just disappeared and than their company switched ALL of their accounts to Chic Angel (their new group) and never acknowladged Honey Girls again. (And when Im saying EVERYTHING I mean EVERYTHING, like even their Melon profile, straight up deleted that Honey Girls album from Melon, i didnt even know companies can do that lol)
@@aprils1888 oh wow thats iffy. Well i remember some channel talking about that group made of Japanese (maybe with korean members too?)av stars, so I was curious
@@cheesySOS that was honey popcorn!!
@@lolo-no9pm oh okay Im sorry, the name is similar so I mustve confused them
The Hexe situation makes me so angry like what is the point of debuting a group if you can't...make a group like what even is that?!! Why were they not in music videos it makes no sense oh my gosh my head hurts
Possibly that one woman was funding it and wanted to debut but they said that maybe they'd do better as a group and got one together. Though she still wanted to be solo, when the group disbanded they probably saw she could get views by herself and went with her being a soloist. (I'm not sure, just a theory)
Fr just make her a soloist or something
that was pussycat dolls shit fr
i hope jinsil can become a choreographer and/or dance teacher:) maybe the idol life isnt just for her but maybe she can train some trainees who will maybe become famous in the future
Like Cheshir Ha, she works with Lisa from BP and just choreographed for someone else. Jinsil is a really good dancer so i would hope she can become a big choreographer
It's interesting to think that people heavily applaud and praise Red Velvet's Irene because she's "too pretty" for her age and people are fascinated by the fact that " _she's reaching 30s but she's still gorgeous i love her_ " mentality and yet people hate it for some reason if an idol debuts older than average idol age. I even notice some toxic iz*one stans bash Eunbi for her age back then. What a crazy society
30 isn’t even that old. The ageism is real.
That's like some male idols, I forgot who exactly, but they came back in their early 30s and so many people were surprised they still looked handsome?? Like do people really think you turn 30 and suddenly look old and ugly??
Honestly... I feel so bad for Jinsil... She's an icon though!
like her past group, global icon!
She deserves better but not an icon. Stop throwing that term just because.
@@Written_in_the_Starss she is an icon... an ambitious icon, a stubborn icon, an icon that never gives up, an ispirational icon, a dance icon. Not a lot of people can be iconic like her.
Slay on, Jinsil, you're a queen.
Also who are you to tell me who is and isnt an icon, i can call whoever I want an icon. Or am I not allowed to complement people?
I’m so obsessed with your “Unluckiest Kpop idol” series 🤍
"Most people didn't even know that Hexe was a group at all."
This sentence gave off the saddest Cascada energy.
As in the girl that sang bad boy and Evertime we touch?
@@lisamitchell7912 Yes. Cascada is technically 3 members: one vocalist and 2 DJs. The DJs don't appear in their music videos, nor do they attend gigs, so everyone thinks that Natalie is Cascada by herself.
I'm sorry, it's just as soon as I heard "Most people didn't know that Hexe were a group at all," I immediately thought of Cascada, because they're in the exact same situation.
@@shanetrevyllian2950 I used to love those two songs
Wait Cascada is a group and not just her stage name? I love Cascada
I’m glad she never gave up on her dreams throughout all that
Life is so unpredictable, Bts V didn't even wanted to be an idol but look now he is top global star and there's Jinsil who constantly working hard to make her dream come true but to no avail.
This just proves how much luck matters.
I always believe life give you what you dont want/pursuing...idk just how my life seems to go
@@yuki97kira i think lifes give you what you need and sometimes what you need is what you wanted and sometimes it's not.
I kinda wish people who didn't want to do that kind of work in the first place wouldn't do it because it leaves less room for those of us who wanted to...like I know a guy who is decent at rapping and popping but he hates it! He hates performing, having to interact with fans, the whole thing. Apparently he only started because a crush he had admired hiphop...so now he gets all the attention and others I know who want this and work hard are pushed aside.
@@shhd2105 yup
it really sucks. but i guess it's a destiny thing. v was always destined to be an idol. and sometimes no matter how hard we try or want something, it's just not for you. took a long time for me to accept this
I don’t feel as sad about this as I thought I would. Even tho all of her debuts failed, she still was consistently employed in the entertainment industry & got to spend the past decade on the stage, even if it wasn’t front and center. I’m glad that at least one “failed idol” managed to still create a successful career in entertainment!
she could've been a solo artist, she would've been great at that
Yeah I was thinking the same
hexe as a group made no sense, why didn't that soye girl just debut as a soloist from the beginning? why waste the other group members' time like that? although tbh it seemed the other girls (sans jinsil) were totally fine with soye getting all the attention...
anyway i would only be willing to train for a maximum of 5 years. if in 5 years the company i'm under still won't debut me i'll go do something else lol
And if you go do something else, you have a training debt on you that would take 20-30 years to pay off. You think you can escape the sunk cost fallacy?
@@SianaGearz but if you don't manage to debut well all you are doing is increasing that debt. It's good to know where to stop.
Me too, especially when you started training in the late years after some time just leave. I mean she could have built an alternative career by now. Best look for her
Because one of the obligations a management company generally has is that they HAVE to debut an idol within a certain time period or the idol can walk away or sign with a new management company and owes them no reimbursement for training costs. By debuting “a group”, EVEN if only one of the members is ever promoted, featured or showcased as long as the other girls debuted and are technically “members” of an active group the companies have met that portion of the contract. It’s rare but there are actually former idols who have mentioned that they have been released by some management companies because they weren’t able to debut them, whether it be they were focusing their efforts on other groups or artists at the time, didn’t have the funds or simply didn’t have a group with a concept they would fit at the time.
you never saw the other members so how could be sure they were fine with it? 😂 they probably weren't listened to and brushed off when they tried to speak to management. the ceo or whatever was probably related to soye in some way. or they were dating. the other members had no power basically.
Tbh I really like this series you’re doing to bring less-known people into the spotlight. I think, through that, you’re handling your position as a relatively big k-pop creator on youtube exactly as you should!
Not me paying closer attention to backup dancers now.
Same
when I was a young kpop fan (12 now I'm 17) without any smartphones devices, I only rely kpop on television and radio. when there's a new unknown groups on the tely, I would focus on the backup dancers cause sometimes their are more attention grabbing than the group itself
You should watch street woman fighter!!
I never paid much attention to backup dancers but this video really made me think about them a lot more. I hope she can find her way again as a dance teacher or a youtuber tbh, it takes a lot of courage to try so many times without giving up!
As for the question, I don't think I would last a single month as an idol. The industry is, as Kpopalypse said, obsessed with idols' physical perfection while completely disregarding their physical health at the same time. So I would probably get sick after days of 12-14 hours of dance practice in a row. And of course there's the look aspect, if you're not insanely pretty you won't make it no matter how talented you are, and even in Jinsil's case you can be pretty and talented and still not make it unless you have a lot of luck.
"Isn't this the age idols retire?"
Super Junior: Hold my soju
Big Bang : Hold my crown ls
Yk they treat men differently, the men can get old and become 'wine', but women should always be young.
@@555.J stfu you don’t make no sense
@@gonew1066 it’s true tho the treat them differently
She didn't failed, by any stretch of definitions, she had 10+ years experience working in an extremely competitive industry. Disbandment isn't a failure of the artists, it's the failure of the company that promoted said artists. While many took the disbandment of their group as a sign of the end of their career, Jimsil instead chose to persevere with her dream & never gave up, no matter how many odds stacked against her, & that's respectable as heck! She's a talented dancer, so i'm sure there are still many more opportunities for her, as long as she wants to. I wish her the best luck for her future endeavours & will be following her career with great interest!
Euna kim really needs to be in this series
She is definitely a contender for this series!!!
@@ploopy678 Maybe ryu sera?
I know her since The Unit last month, she's one of my favorites. :D
@Mary I guess it's ok if I do this here because her name already got mentioned here.
Sera was a member in the group NineMuses or 9Muses in 2010 with 'No playboy' but left the group in 2014 after the Gun comeback (if I remember right now...).
She started a YT channel (Sera Ryu) were she reacted to MV and Comebacks from small and larger groups, as she said, she's doing that to promote unpopular groups which in my opinion is a very lovely thing to do.
(Maybe because her group, who had a lot of people looking forward but then didn't become so popular and since the girl had
- to keep it short - not a nice time - and so some of them wanted to leave as soon as possible to debut solo (again it's only what I can remember)).
She as a person is also very kind and sweet, she's a big fangirl of LOONA and DREAMCATCHER.
I know her since she got - I think that it was in a @Ploopy678 video when she got meansioned the documentary.
It's been a bit of time now but I basically watched the NineMuses documentary by the BBC which documented their debut
(They weren't to interfere in their debut process btw...) and her face was the one where my brain was like "the others are pretty to but I love her face a lot and want to learn more about her"
Yes! Also Janey from GP Basic
You got to give Jinsil credit. She kept doing her job as a backup dancer but went for the idol opportunity when it came her way. I hope she finds what she's looking for.
Love these series! Im actually happy that she is a successful back up dancer. I've always found dancers and choreographers very cool, they are mostly gone unnoticed but play so much role in a group's career! Indeed being a dancer is hella amazing, really! You're not the star but you are still the part of the show wearing cute clothes. Also, you get a chance to meet many celebrities! I love that!! I might even say being dancer is better than being an idol, cuz you don't have to deal with negative comments and stuff either.
I agree
Damm, 5 disbandments? you think the heavens are tryna tell her something??? 😭😭
Apparently, she's still going after her idol dreams. Jinsil is gettind RE-DEBUTED as announced on Monday! It seems to be a reboot of BLASTARS under a larger company this time, as she's with 3 other members from the team (one must have decided to not reboot)! Maybe this will finally be the breakthrough she needs to become an idol! Wish her luck!
Is there any update for this?
Any updates?
Any update?
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Impressive research. Honestly I admire this girl for being so persistent. It's sad that life isn't always fair and hardwork isn't always rewarded -- not just in kpop. At this point, most trainees/idol hopefuls need more than just luck on their side because there are so many things going against them. I hope she can find success in other ways despite not being able to realize her dream of becoming a kpop idol.
Haha, given PF's history, it's extremely fitting that she'd end up working with Pink Fantasy in SOME capacity :D Is Moontrue her dancer stage name? The other choreographer is Peacock for both songs Moontrue is credited for, and i think they work with the group still.
Debuting a 30 year old is not something companies usually want to do, if this group is supposed to be kinda permanent, it seems the industry is afraid of people showing that they are indeed human and can age. Pink Fantasy themselves re-debuted Aina, who was 29 at the time, and she had to give up activity a year or so later due to developing pain in the limbs. It stands to reason that the "hidden member" is likely also around that age, but she's not going anywhere, i think.
Pursuing idol's career? Mhm i happen to know someone who is crazy pretty, insanely good dancer, sings, secretly plays several instruments, composes, produces, is multilingual, has no trouble handling a lot of fans, and was scouted by agencies a number of times; but she always thought it's not worth it, not for the risks involved, crazy amount of work and mediocre prospects.
I think more than ageing it's the standard. Kpop idols generally have age range btw 15-16 to 24- 26 yr old. So it is understandable why they want to avoid taking someone too old.
But I think she does have potential to be dance choreographer.
@@Vor567tez Mhm it's not like career of established idols is over once they cross the 27 year mark? Look at Sunmi, Ha:tfelt, Yubin, Taeyeon, Ailee, Solar? Um Jung Hwa might be a little bit too much of an exception, she might not really be doing that much longer. But she did do a number with Hwasa just a couple months ago!
In the 90's a popular girl group kicked out a member after it was revealed she as actually thirty? Like if she was doing just fine,then why kick her out?
I think for an older person it can work if they debut solo.
Isn’t the masked member pink fantasy’s ceo?
ahhh i think this is so interesting! i feel like within the kpop cover community, a lot of backup dancers and choreographers are starting to get a lot more recognition with fanbases as online class teachers thru companies like edkpop or like the site that jinsil is teaching with. a p101 trainee, hwang sooyeon i believe?, is a choreographer for dreamcatcher and has been teaching a lot and gaining more fans. jihyang, a dancer for many artists including most recently hyuna and bambam, has also been teaching a lot and has ppl that are specifically creating fancams for her during stages after discovering her from taking online class (which i only know bc i’ve also been taking those same classes lol)
i’m hoping that jinsil continues to gain traction 🥺 and finds success that feels fulfilling for her regardless of if it’s in a debuted group or not. thanks for the video ploopy!! gonna go binge the rest of your series hehe
I hope that everyone who trained, but didn’t debut, still find happiness and have a good life.
I'm gonna need a whole explanation to HEXE now because... what in the world?!
Just a note, I wouldn't doubt that she got mad people liked the group video better and decided to end the group.
Yeah, I’d also like a video focusing on that group cuz that’s wild! All that attention on just one member??
I love your unluckiest idol videos, I’m so glad you’re turning this into a series!
Wait... "Hexe" is the German word for witch... That means their album "# witches" is just their bandname in plural and in English... But why did they give their group a German name??? Maybe they just liked the word XD
I appreciate the effort but I first didn't realize it until I read your comment, even tho I AM German myself lol. Thx for telling me!
At first I very much thought that it was a different way of writing a number, like the 'hexagon' thing(?).
I would just guess to try to be popular and to get the public to talk about them, because German is for some reason (I know 1930s to 1940s VERY ungly stuff...) extremely popular on the internet.
{I know that (we're "popular") because even tho I myself usually thing about the things from 80 years ago, but then the internet also reminds me, no worries I can deal with it very good. :D
(it's an emotional mix of: sadness, hate, a sprinkle of embarrassment [the kind were you almost want to scream because you can't understand how... much stupidity you have to have, just from hunger, homelessness, poor(-ness).
Basically you know their past but you still can't understand how incredibly hateful you have to feel for those things to end up with these unforgettable things], and last but not least confusion for their ways with dealing with depression.)
Like: wtf just *how* can you tor.ture others and can be like "nope that's perfectly fine".
Oh dear I *don't*, never ever, not in infinite, like them. (-> they upset me a lot)
Just call them pigs, they deserve it so so so... so much xD.}
Therefore I guess that if someone said "oh that's German", then their group has a chance of becoming famous, as a consequence because people are talking about them. :)
I love your videos so much! Today I went to the cinema to watch BLACKPINK THE MOVIE and it was AMAZING!! 🍿
Lucky I really want to see it
i saw it last week and i agree that it was amazing!!! but now i want to cry every time i listen to forever young
going to support jinsil as much as i can now. This series is so good and i hope you continue bc we get to see idols that have gone unnoticed and giving them the appreciation and support they deserve.
I LOVE your content. With the exception of the last coincidence, you actually do k-pop content no one else is doing or even thinks about. Like, how the heck do you get the idea to do this? I just feel like most people do videos about k-pop on things I already knew about, but I actually learn new stuff all the time with yours. You're awesome.
omg your editing is this is phenomenal, that present opening to reveal you - fantastic!
Idk why but who just discovered ploopy and started watching her everyday? 😅😂✨
i love this series already, please do more in the future💜
Please, more of these episodes, they're just fascinating. At the same time, who knows? This might give them an exposure to the right places.
It must hurt when all these unlucky idols become backup dancers for successful groups/soloists. They didn't train to not be in the spotlight.
PLOOPY UPLOADS!!! no one does it like you girl, i drop everything when i see that youve uploaded!
I haved the pleasure to interview Various in january 2018 and jinsil was so happy/proud, talkative and excited with the debut/comeback and be with various. I still have the album shadow with their signs… Is so sad to hear about how unluckiest she was/is.
The amount of hard work you put into all of your videos... it’s amazing! You’re amazing!
I really really enjoy your videos and I hope you get so much more attention on your channel... And just so much more
"idols can train for a day"
Olivia hye:hehe
I mean didn't Olivia train at a diffrent agency?
@@kaeyasimp7330 I think she'd actually taken dance lessons
Ahh I’m not supposed to be watching cuz I’m at work!! But I love your content so much, so I’m hiding in the back
I love this series of the unluckiest idols! So interesting and entertaining. Thank you Evangeline!
Here’s a fun theory to think about: what if during Scream era the masked dancer that was in Handong’s place was a different trainee every stage performance and that’s why everyone thinks she’s a different person. Cause each girl IS and that Scream era was their test to see if they’re prepared to debut? Just something fun y’all free to add your own or even theories from other eras too!❤️🔥
this is honestly so sad and confusing ): thank you for sharing her story!
Hoping that I can see her as one of the dance mentors/teachers for idol survival shows so she can be more recognised by the public as a dance teacher
Sometimes the things we want aren't always the thing we need. I believe she was meant to be a dancer, she would have been more successful that way. As negative as I may sound , it's sometimes it's to just give up and try new things . We aren't only meant for one thing. I hope her the best.
she's really hard-working woman
My girls Pink Fantasy!!! I KNEW I remembered that name somewhere; can't believe how well the choreography is for those tracks!!!!! Love love love it 💕
Hexe means Witch in german, so that explains the album name :D [edit: removed negative remark]
The members of HEXE actually seem to have a decent relationship, so I certainly dont want to speculate the reasons behind the uneven spotlight!!
@@ploopy678 you're right, that was careless of me - removed my "evil witch" comment! added a more positive comment about the album name instead. 😊
This is when fans, like me and you, follow many underrated groups and support when we can!! I'm glad there's people with any form of following that talk about groups/idols like this.
For every kpop idol who is successful, there are 100 kpop idols who have an unstable career, low income, dismal work conditions and uncertain prospects. Even those who are successful can be plagued by sasaengs, paparazzi, and the mental issues that come from being on the spotlight. Most kpop idols are actually much better off having a stable backup dancer career and enjoying a healthy and normal lifestyle. They may even be able to keep a day job that will sustain them once they retire.
You are getting so much better at dancing girl! Omg, you were on fire 🔥
shes clearly a talented dancer ! Her choreography for Pink Fantasy is great :) i hope shes happy as a booked and busy dancer even though it seems like she wants to be an idol
I wish she had stayed with KJ Music Entertainment, the company is decently sized and she would have had the most chance of success there
bahahahaha when you popped up behind yourself to say "allegedly" that was so funny
GUYS! I just wanna announce to everyone! I knew Heeso, since she was in Various, because that's when I joined the kpop cult.
I remember when she debuted with Global Icon. I also stanned AGirls, Various, and Blastar (Hexe not so much)
lesson: don't join preexisting groups T.T
Jinsil seems like a kind, savvy, and hard working woman. it’s really a shame she had that streak of being in girl groups that kept disbanding, she seems like an amazing dancer and my heart aches for her to have success as an idol in the spotlight.
like seriously, imagine spending your prime years (a kpop idols prime years tend to be 16-30) in a cycle of excitement and hope then being let down time and time again with each recruitment and then subsequent disbandment. after all of that, by now, you are “ToO oLd” to be a kpop idol. I’d feel like my “chance” was wasted. I hope she is doing well and has an abundant life. I really wish things would change for ageism in kpop.
She reminds me of the quote " always a bridesmaid never the bride" 🙁💔
If she was still a dancer, she could have maybe been on street woman fighter with ygx lol
These videos just make me appreciate how hard the people in the background work like damn girl
I love your editing style and sense of humor. Also your research seems pretty thorough and delivery is easy to understand. Hope you can be healthy so we can see more from you! 👍
I remember finding out about Heeso from being announced as a new member of Global Icon, I didn’t know she had this whole career afterwards.
Even though I don't listen to kpop much , I have always heavily been interested in learning more about the k-pop working industry and especially about artists who don't become successful even after working so hard 😢
I love this series , thanks for going out of your way and researching about this toxic k-pop working industry.
This series is so interesting! I hope you cover a male idol next, i want to see if there’s anyone who’s also as unlucky as these two girls.
I came across this video by coincidence but i love it. I'm not really a k-pop fan but her resilience is unnatural. I hope she makes it big one day.
While she may have been horribly unlucky with being a Kpop star she at least was a very successful dancer!
I'm really surprised about her strong willingness to continue this. Daebak
That intro is so smooth xD I really appreciate your hard work and sense of humour
I love these so much! I always watch ur vids they are so Amazing!
wow i had no idea she choreographed pink fantasy's fantasy and playing house! fantasy is an amazing choreo that lutist love. she's super talented and i really hope she does succeed in her future endeavors.
the prize for the shortest peried in a group goes to heeso!
joke aside, for real, how can you as an agency set a meber into a group for about 11 days?
Nope. It goes to Yeonha from P.O.P. She had to leave for health reasons 6 days after debut.
@@onethirdofimpossible i-
You said "Global Icon," and I said, "oohhh noooo."
Same here😭
Omg! Yay you uploaded!!!!
Thanks Ploopy for a new vid!
YG launched 2 girl groups in 15 years…. I think they had thousands of trainees to pick this 8 girls. So it’s a sad sad world.
I learned BLASTAR 'one way' choreography and streamed the sht out of it for MONTHS. All up until their disbandment. They and SECRET NUMBER were my favourite debuts of the year and I streamed them endlessly. It actually hurt my heart when we recieved the news of BLASTARs disbandment, and looking how SECRET NUMBER is going as well, I'm feeling down
Nooo, pleaseee Don't stop supporting SECRET NUMBER, even tho we're still not getting any information abt their comeback, but I still believe that they're working on their comeback(according to some hints the members have given). We have to trust them. But at the end of the day, it's your choice tho, so, it's not like I'm going to force you or someting 😅 anyways,
Stan SECRET NUMBER y'all ❤️
@@sitinurulfajriati6429 yeah, I don't plan on leaving anytime soon, I love our girls, I'm just worried. I too am patiently waiting for their comeback. We gonna make it work for them!! ❤
@@sitinurulfajriati6429 fr though secret number cb has been long overdue. Maybe the company is currently struggling financially since Vine is alsto a small company. I sincerely hope they're currently working on something. They still upload in their RUclips channel though every once in a while so that's a good sign at least.
Omg please don't put that bad juju on secret number. I love them sm!!
Would honestly love to see a video on HEXE because that is one...bizarre situation to be in. It's like how everyone views Destiny's Child but the other members unironically LEGIT barely existing.
That said, I do hope Jinsil maybe makes a RUclips channel or something where she can be better seen. She'd make a fantastic dance teacher with all of her experience.
“It makes no sense to close off these opportunities based off of age.”
Unfortunately for a lot of entertainment industries, it makes sense because it all boils down to one thing:
Pedophilia.
Look at the show that formed Twice, Sixteen. Watch that show and see how every underage person on that show was sexualized. The “pink Lamborghini” performance was evidence enough. Jinsil is so freaking gorgeous STILL but you wouldn’t be able to tell she’s 30 until you look at her profile like 🤢 YG 🤢 did. It’s disappointing because she’s just as talented as many idols who have “made it”. But it doesn’t matter about talent in this disgusting industry…
Who is paying for "entertainment"? Who is the core audience for Twice and Sixteen? If 30 year-old idols can sell to these group, they will be 30 year old girl groups.
@@kyoungd confused by your statement.
Binging your channel lol. I also made the article on allkpop when Jinsil redebuted in Blastar. It's really cool seeing you do more research on my articles and it's crazy how viral my articles became
I just love your way of explaining
There's a member of MINIMANI whose been a member of five groups her name is Suhyun I would say she's pretty unlucky.
i literally feel so bad for her. i hope her dance teacher career works out
you should attempt to make a video on 24k and all it’s member problems and “redebuts” >.
I used to be a pretty big 24K fan when I first got into k-pop because they were decently popular around debut and I ended up going to a concert of theirs
I’m sad that shit became so messy later on, I’m still unsure of what exactly happened
@@michellesmirnova4471 Having 5 of the 6 original members and a manager blacklisted by the government certainly didn't help them. Aside from the sketchy management moves
I remember being so shocked when nobody knew them when they went on mixnine. Being an international fan ofc I knew them and they had a decent international following, but they were unknown in Korean. And not like other groups that are mainly popular in the west, they were just unknown.
They way she kept going and nt giving up I think she should among most never giving up people's list
I worked for Disney as a performer for 8 years. But before that, I auditioned year after year and was told I would never get it. Some days I really regretted not just giving up on my dream- especially when I knew even if I got it it very well could be bad for me. That's what attracts me so much to this ugly backside of the music we all enjoy so much. I see myself in these girls and I want to root for them and cry for them at the same time. I'm sure they know the same- no matter how much they want to be idols that ultimately it could be terrible for them too. Even though I did get the job eventually- when I really looked at it it wasn't because I worked harder, or wanted it more, or that I was more talented. I got lucky. And that was a hard reality to accept, especially when the job ended up being a source of trauma down the road. I think Jinsil is really admirable, and this video was really respectful. I hope she sees it and feels the same way too. I'm lucky now that I am in a position where I feel like all those tears and hard work have payed off- I hope she can see this video and feel the same way. I'd follow her journey now 100%. I'm glad her story is being told!
Thank you for yet another informative video! Jinsil is a really good choreographer, the dancing scene in PinkFantasy's mv is amazing! BTW I found you use a lot of footage from MIXNINE and I'm a big fan of the show, it has left behind so many regrets.... hope you get a chance to talk about it ^_^
I'm surprised so never was able to use her connections to debut in at least a solid mid-tier company.....
don't forget that she would have auditioned for far more companies, those are just the companies that she was accepted in. the kpop system is completely ageist.
she's like a "part-timer idol" lol please jinsil pursue your career as choreographer!!