Also, if you’re allowed to bring the tools that the contractor must provide, then guess who is and isn’t getting laid off. The dude that brings his own Milwaukee hammer drill and impact will likely stay. There shouldn’t be an arms race to stay employed.
You nailed it. This is why I don't bring in my Ryobi impact gun or sawzall, even though I prefer them over the company provided tools. I finish my apprenticeship in 2 months. IBEW Local 291. Being in a right-to-work state, I see more non-union guys and gals around here. Union is the way to go, whether you're an electrician, plumber, carpenter, etc. I try to do my part in helping people see the benefits of going Union. Those who make the switch usually only regret that they didn't do it sooner. Stay safe out there, everybody.
You definitely nailed it @Ricker76 This is something that I planned on mentioning in the video that I unfortunately accidentally left out. This is a major reason why the list exists in the first place. Thanks for mentioning this ⚡️ I might have to pin this comment to the top 👍🏼
I definitely agree! That's a big reason why I make these videos. To generate interest, help guide people along the way, and really just to help spread awareness of the incredible opportunities like this that are seemingly hidden in plain sight ⚡️
Hey brother, I’m a traveler out of local 60 San Antonio Texas currently working in 48. I just wanted to commend you on the work you’ve put into this channel. You make great quality videos that really make a strong argument for our union and help to advance the cause. Personally I love your locals tool list and believe y’all have a very solid agreement in general. Keep up the great work.
my local has a journeyman tool list, and when you join the apprentiship they give you a smaller version of that journeyman tool list. the idea is that throughout your apprentiship (5 years) you can aquire the remaining tools on the journeyman tool list. Also you are allowed to have 100 dollars worth of tools "NOT" above and beyond the journeyman tool list excluding anything the employer is supposed to provide. this allows for you to get some smaller hand tools that you like or prefer to use. there are times that the union seems like a profit machine, however the union is right there by your side fighting for better working conditions, pay, and a plethora of other things for the members. IBEW 340 has been a great place to be i will always be thankful for my time there.
IBEW 58 here. We are not supplied with any free tools here. Ended up costing me about $300 and it wasn't even the full tool list to get the schools "starter kit"
I had my interview last month. I ended up ranking 8. I really appreciate the videos. They help me understand better what I'm getting myself into. Continue to do great content!
Wow Adrian! Congratulations bro!! 8 is an incredible rank! I'm very happy to hear that the videos have been helpful for you! Thanks for watching and being a subscriber ⚡️
Thank you for this content, I'm a union Laborer and I've been looking at pursuing a better career; this video series has helped me a lot to make my mind up
Just switched from laborers local 785 to the ibew man. Been 2 months. Best decision of my life. Go for it. There's a better life out there for you. I'll forever thank 785 for teaching me a work ethic. But it's worth the switch.
Thanks for posting this video. I've been thinking about joining my local for a while now. I talked to the recruiter a year ago, and he mentioned that I only need basic tools, but wouldn't tell me what those tools are. I've been a non-union electrician for 15 years. I have a lot of tools. It's hard for me to wrap my head around things like, don't bring a multi meter. Have to have a hacksaw. What would I even use an awel for? I buy tools to make my life easier. Band saw, M12 cable cutter, M18 knockout kit (1/2" to 4"). Thousands of dollars in tools making half what a union guy makes, and I'm only required to bring maybe a couple hundred dollars worth?? I started in the trade when I was 20, and I'm 35 now. I don't even break $50k a year, I have expensive healthcare just for myself, I can't afford to cover my kids (my ex wife has them insured), and I have no retirement to speak of. I can't even begin to imagine how much different my life would be now if I had joined the union then...
What area are you in? I am with Local 46 Seattle. We have calls going through all the books. What that means is, book 1 is for everyone in local 46, book 2 is travelers from other locals, book three is non union journeyman electricians and book 4 is just anyone off the street. I am not sure how well a book 4 does or lasts on a job but my point is that if you came to this area, I am certain that you would be working on a job within a day or two. The current rate for a journey wireman is $62/hr. You may want to call our hall to find out about working with an out of state license. You might be able to work for a bit of time while you wait to take the state test here. Let me know if you want more info. I would be glad to help.
Thanks for watching and commenting, Robert! The tool list there might be slightly different than the list here, but I'd assume that it will be pretty similar. As far as the awl goes, I've never really used it. It's meant to basically be used like a center punch though. I'd imagine that it would be pretty weird from going from having a whole collection of power tools and other specialty tools that you're purchased that you're used to and then to switch from only needing to bring basic tools and to rely of your company for the rest. In my experience, it's been really nice, and if I've ever needed something then I just mention it to my general foreman and he gets it for us to use. Of course, your experience will vary from company to company, even with the IBEW. I hate to say it, but I don't even have my own multimeter 😂 From day 1 I've always just used a Fluke 117 that my employer gave me to use. It's essentially my meter as nobody else uses it and I keep it with my tools though. 35 is still very young and if you think that you and your family could benefit from joining then I would highly recommend looking into it further. If you haven't already seen it, you might find my video "Why IBEW?" to be helpful. No matter what though, regardless of what I say or anyone else says, you know what will be best for you and your family. ⚡️
Just finished my interview and ranked 9. But since the top 3 are starting in a couple weeks the lady at the training center told me that my rank is more like 6 and Should be starting this fall. I feel like my past experience and my willingness to start the apprenticeship over from the bottom helped.
Sooo cool to see you on campus the other day! It felt like meeting a celebrity, hehe! 🙌 😊 Your videos definitely help me stand out in my interview and build a beautiful portfolio, I can't thank you enough 🙏. I just finished my first week of bootcamp for the LEA program. I would be happy to share my experience in the LEA program for your channel, if interested. I believe in your channel and I think it's a HUGE resource for those interested in the trade. The non profit Oregon Tradeswomen organization knows who you are and encourage the women to watch your channel! ⚡💪♀️
Thanks for the video. The IBEW is not strong here in Texas. The IEC has been, but we mostly have independant contractors. I am an electrical contractor in the industrial sector, and we have worked on very large projects along with union shops, and it is two very different worlds, and approaches. I never knew y'all had a list of tools you couldn't bring with you on the job-site. Most electrical contractors supply everything except for your personal hand tools, but you can bring whatever tools you want. Also, the comments I read about the guys having the best personal tools getting to stay and not get layed off...not a thing...your personal tools are non issue when determining who stays or goes. Never heard of that concept in 35 years in the trade.
The not list is also to make it fair between workers, example.. we will hire worker A because he has his own bender and band saw, Worker B doesn't. thats why we have a tool list. To keep it equal between workers.
IBEW loca 11 in Los Ángeles isn’t like that. Every apprentice gets a tool list and starts as a green, experience or not. You still do the 5 years and journey out. Only exception is if you can prove the work hours you can be organized in as a journeyman or foreman. Again, with proof of work hours for whichever title.
Found these videos after a cursory search into electricians unions and how the process of getting involved is. I have now decided I'm going to pursue this fully, and give it my best. I'm 24 with 7 years of experience in the trades already, so I'm confident in my chances!
Wow! That’s so great to hear! This career path is an incredible opportunity and I’m happy to hear that more people are starting to look into it. Hopefully my channel can serve as a good resource for you as you continue to take the necessary steps to join. Wishing you the best of luck. Thanks for watching! ⚡️
My job provides each technician with the tools they need for the job and will replace any of your privately owned tools if broken on the job. They also will replace any broken company owned tool and they urge you to buy any tool or supplies you need to get the job done, on the company card.
Love your content but what I find ironic, especially for a sparky, is the hanging extension cords along the wall. 🤣 That's my two cents! Keep up the great work. ✌️
I'm 21 and literally know nothing about tools or anything having to do with being an electrician. Do you think someone like me can become an electrician? I just feel a bit discouraged since I know so little
I love my IBEW, don't get me wrong. I've been in the trade for 40 years, so I have a tool for just about anything. But I've found that the guys who cry the loudest about journeyman bringing tools to the job are the first ones to ask if they can borrow that tool if it makes their job easier. And I'm talking about hand tools like ratchet cutters; not power tools. I would never bring a power tool on a job. Stay safe, brothers.
I'm a 2 yr apprentice in a non-union company and i've spent close to $7,000 in tools. Everything from hand tools, power tools, testers, Knockout kits, benders of all sizes. But when it comes to lay offs and the company has to downsize, I'm never laid off. Unfortunely thats how it is, you wanna keep working? Bring your everything, at that point, your more useful then they guy who just brought a few hand tools and thats it.
Wow, I think this is a great real life example of why we have these tool lists. Unfortunately I didn't mention anything like this in my video, but this is a huge reason why it exists. I might need to make an additional short video to mention things like this, and possibly even specifically mention your comment in the video if you're cool with that. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience! How are you enjoying your apprenticeship so far?
@@MadElectrician I'm ok with it no problem. The apprenticeship is going great. I love doing electrical work, it's a great experience. But you definitely notice that the amount of work available seems to be seasonal. We're busier than ever during the summer and on a hiring spree but in the middle of winter work is slow and the company downsizes it tries to keep it's most valuable employees and lay off the rest. And then summer comes again, hiring comes again. You see people come and go. Some companies will actually use each other's employees to keep an employee hours up. Like if we're busy and another company is struggling to find work, they can send guys to our jobsites and vice versa. I never seen anywhere else but in the tradea
Might as well be your own C-10 contractor if you are having to bring everything but a ladder and if you have all those tools you must be a foreman if not I would ask myself what am I doing here? Having all these tools and responsibilities and not having a steady job through out the year
That's awesome to hear, Gumer. It can be a tiring and lengthy process getting accepted, but I can tell you from personal experience that it's absolutely worth everything that you put into it! Wishing you the best of luck in your application process! ⚡️
Very disappointed with my union experience and after 10 years I may have to leave. My local can't keep me busy and I can't travel. Glad to hear some have good experiences though.
Want to learn all aspects of the trade not just labor join another ibew that's my honest advice. I don't recommend local 11. Especially if you are going in as an apprentice. Other locals have a tighter knit with their members not 11. Local 11 will withhold your next pay grade whenever they get a chance. You are cheap labor and they try their best to keep it that way (as an apprentice). (don't sneeze too loud or you'll get a withhold, it is rediculously bad.- And I wouldn't even mention this if it wasn't for the fact that they cannot hold their end of responsibilities, not even close, compared to how much they ask from their members. With zero repercussions regardless of how many people have gotten screwed over with that same issue) And it's not just sparky jr's who have gotten the shorter end of a stick but j-dubs too. I've met good journeyman who have been discouraged from staying in the union because of the ambiance that comes with this specific local. They are great journeyman and foreman who are greatly respected by those who work with them so it's sad to see the higher ups treat them as dispensable escape goats and the union not having their backs when they needed it the most. If you are the "shoppy" type that has connections already in a company or two, who can probably get away with a mediocre work ethic, then you'll probably be just fine. And I get shoppies they have job security and options on the backs of true hard workers- doing the work that must be done but nobody else wants to do. But I digress. I wasn't that type though, I was a just a put me where you need me, no BS, let my work speak for itself, no gossip hard worker that had zero experience coming in. Did DC work/underground, the most labor intensive work you'll have as an inside wireman, for most of my time in the local. And don't get me started on the label of "disadvantage worker" "hall rats" or how people are getting robbed of their own money for retirement as an example. But if you want to know, let me know and I'll tell you. Food for thought here... There is a reason why joining local 11 is much easier then joining any other ibew. Why do you think that is? Size..true but a small variable out of the the whole equation. Think about the business/money aspect of it all and you'll probably just catch a fraction of a glimpse of the tip of the iceberg. To be completely honest I just wish I had known what I know now about local 11 so I could have made an informed decision prior. I am glad of what I have learned and the good people i have had the opportunity to meet. I would have just played my cards differently from the get go. I understand that business is business but the problem is the secrecy. Everyone should know what they are getting into that is all.
Damn I’m 25 our contractors provide wrenches, sockets, and Allen keys on each job - not that everyone doesn’t have their own of these items - but our tool list is much smaller and outdated as it includes a stick ruler and a plumb Bob LOL. We did get a full set in our apprentice class. And yea, anything powered is provided by the contractor for each job, some have even given me my own set :)
How did you approach? I mean after CCJ, or pre apprenticeship what did you chose 1. ETI inside wireman 5 year apprenticeship or telecommunications 4 year apprenticeship 2. Trade union IBEW 3. Direct employment
I’m 23 years old and trying to find a job that fits me. I love the idea of becoming an electrician, but I don’t have much experience at all doing electrical work. Can I still get into the trade? If so, what do you think is the best path to take? Thank you for your videos, they are very helpful.
The 'Shall Not Furnish' list is interesting. Not having to shell out for power tools is a major savings. On the other hand, what brand of multimeter are they providing? If it's Fluke or Klein (made by Fluke) or a few other brands that are known high quality, then fine. If they are some off brand piece of Chinesium crap, then no way am I trusting my life to them. That might be the one item I'd purchase, list or no list.
In local one, no one is buying a tester not made by fluke. Union or non union. The non union don’t buy that crap here either because the IBEW sets the standard
That's understandable. I agree, that wouldn't be very efficient. At my work, our company provides everyone with their own individual full set up Milwaukee/ dewalt power tools (drill, impact, ports-band, and sawsall). We also have our own individual set up benders and everything else too. The only things that we really share are things like root hammers and ramsets.
Great video. I have a question concerning the screwdrivers and nut drivers; do combination tools qualify??? Could an 11 in 1 replace the 3 slot and 3 Philips head screwdrivers and a 7 in 1 nut driver replace the set of 6 nut drivers?
So I’m in electrician school I’m almost done and I really enjoy it I just was wondering does it matter what I work in to be successful as far as residential, industrial or maintenance and if I will be able to get my dream car one day a corvette stingray lol
Thank you for the videos. May I ask, which options are more reliable (I am referring to steady income), residential, sound, inside wireman or transportation? Also, would the union find it problematic if I start with residential and then want to switch to any other of the 3 options? Thank you very much.
Residential is really gonna get have more swings in it. Commercial and industrial is often steady even in a downturn because work has been planned out for a long time and is scheduled for a set time frame and the money has already been spent. Switching classifications shouldn't be a problem but be aware some locals only provide representation for certain classifications. For example local 666 doesn't represent linemen, residential, or data/phone techs in central Virginia.
It's always so awesome to see all of the personal insight from people in the comment section. Thanks for chiming in and helping answer questions everyone. I personally think that being an inside wireman is the most lucrative and probably has the most work (generally speaking). From personal experience, I've seen sound/ com workers have lots of slow times while we (inside wiremen) continue to be very busy. Residential is cool do, but if you have an inside wireman license then you're able to do any electrical work, including residential, anyways. Plus, there are so many different types of things that you can do as a commercial/ industrial inside wireman that in my option it's probably a lot more interesting as there are always new things to learn. You can definitely switch from one to the other, but I think that if your goal is to become an inside wireman that you should probably just start with that. It can be tricky with some locals to switch, but it is possible. I know here you actually have to reinterview for the other license that you want to pursue, and then you will also need to take the required classes through the training center. This might mean that you could be already finished with your apprenticeship as a residential electrician, but then you have to go back to school for a couple more years to finish the additional schooling to become an inside wireman. All things to consider, and probably something that's worth making a video about. Thanks for watching, and I'm happy to hear that you're enjoying the videos! ⚡️
@@MadElectrician all this information is very useful for a lot of individuals (I include myself here) since there isn’t much information about this online. Thank you very much.
Don't knock maintenance either. There's ALWAYS something to learn. During my time with the IBEW it was only construction gigs being offered (actually my old local just got everything shut down for corruption like a year ago. kind of explains why they weren't respected by any of the members of different locals I've ever worked with), but if they give you a chance to do maintenance at a plant somewhere I'd say jump on it. you'll always have control schemes to pick your way through and if you get a good rapport with some of the other trades then they'll help you out, you can help them out, offering lots of opportunities to learn about instrumentation or mechanical or networks and automation. I've worked on construction jobs through Canada and the US, and I've done maintenance in both countries as well (journeyman certifications in both - EE98J in NM and RSE Electrician in Canada) and I'd only go back to construction if I had no choice (or was looking for a side gig to make some extra cash or do favors for family and friends). though doing that you will likely be expected to have some different gear than is on that tool list lol. you may need to spend some extra time in school to stand out from the other job applicants, but the perks are worth it and the education and experience is something you can't misplace.
What the 😂 Do your contractors provide tape meaures for everyone or do people just bring them anyways? Seems like a lot of these tool lists are in need of updating.
While I support the equal working environment created in part by the contractor provided tool list, I'll readily admit that I bring a 12v impact in addition to the company provided 18v w/ a 5ah battery. An 18v fuel milwaukee impact for general electrical tasks is like driving finish nails with a 22oz framing hammer.
I got the call for Ibew but I’m leaning towards staying at my non union company.. they don’t provide any tools in Denver nor do they cover schooling, I have to pay for everything
I actually just made a video on that recently! Here is a link: Tools New IBEW Electrician Apprentices Receive for FREE! ruclips.net/video/prKQazCahio/видео.html Some IBEW locals give free tools and others don’t. I would call or shoot them an email to see if they do or not. That video I sent is of Local 48, showing the free tools that new apprentices get for free here.
does your tool list go by year? ours starts off bare bones for dirst year and you have to acquire more each year. tape measures aren't on our tool list but a folding ruler is. lol
I’m from phoenixville and I just filled out my application at the office today. What’s it like in the 98 do they provide tools in the beginning as an apprentice?
Can’t wait for the next video about what your training center gives you! For you potential new members, if you are interested in applying, check out my video about tools the JATC gives you!
Hey bro! I’ve seen your video and it’s great! I’ll give you a shout out in that video whenever I do it (waiting on permission from my training center first) and I’ll tell people to check out your video/ channel! I’ll post a link to your video in the description too! I think you have a fantastic channel and I want more people to know about it⚡️
@@SparkysJourney If I'm able to make the video happen then I'm going to mention you and your channel in it whether you like it or not 😂 I visit Seattle every once and a while because I have some family there. Next time I'm in the area I'll reach out and we should see if we can meet up/ potentially shoot something together 👍🏼
@@MadElectrician let me know what they say! Just realizing I should have asked if it was ok? Didn’t even think about it lol But heck yeah man! That would be sweet! My videos will probably slow down here so I can focus on work (just started this week!) then should be back at it after I get a schedule locked down! But next time your up this way let me know! would definitely be a cool idea to do a video together
@@SparkysJourney Will do! No, I wouldn't worry about asking for permission to make your videos. The only reason I'm asking is because I want to film my video at the training center with a brand new box of unopened tools rather than showing the tools that they've already given me. I have a big list of videos that I'm really excited to do at some point that would involve the training center, so I'm waiting to see what they say about all of those too. Everyone I've talked to (instructors and organizers) have been really excited about my channel, but I'm specifically reaching out the our training center director for permission just to cover all of my bases. Will do, that would be super cool. Right on bro. Can't wait to see more! ⚡️
So sorry your conditioned to be a slave to your contractor. They tell you you do what we say or you'll be off work for months to years. Again it is who you know in our local not what you know. Work in a real local and everyone gets layed off at end of job.
I don't think I've ever used mine on the job. Couldn't even find mine to make this video 🤦🏽♂️ I know it's somewhere, just not entirely sure where.. Everyone has their own powered Milwaukee porta-bands at my work along with their own set of power tools provided by our company.
Just need my physics. Just finished college electrical techniques and did a grade 12 math credit since it wasn’t a mandatory. Now just need physics then I’m applying in Ontario. Thanks for vids
Right on, you're almost there! Wishing you the best of luck during your application process. You're very welcome, and if you have any questions feel free to reach out anytime 👍🏼 Thanks for watching! ⚡️
Are u still here? i read a comment you said " IBEW local 48 is the best" So from where u have this information? resource? And what's the best IBEWs in California?
I actually find it really odd that gloves are on our required tools list. I've never worked somewhere where gloves weren't provided by the contractor along with all other PPE despite them being on our required list.
I'm so glad I don't have to deal with union bullshit like what kind of tool I can and can't bring to work. Whenever something doesn't make sense and they try to explain it with "we're doing this to protect you" you should run for this hills. Unions really should go the way of the dodo. I will admit, they did have a time and a place, back before windows 95....
while i used a metal tape measure it is NOT a good idea especially in a closet a 6ft wood rule is best i prefer the 8 ft stick .. you will almost never need a cresant wrench. especially if you have good pump pliers and nut drivers. a punch as well is almost never used. it has one purpose to make a starting point for drilling... a steady hand will do fine. as for a hammer . there is little you will need to hammer you couldnt use your side cutters for. when your practiced you wont need a skinners either
Thanks Dillon, I will! They take a surprising amount of time to make, but I'm enjoying making them and it's always great to see that other people are enjoying/ benefitting from them. ⚡️
@@MadElectrician I'm in SWFL n just started my non union apprenticeship. Seriously thinking about moving to a place that's more unionized cuz the residential trade here is like medieval..
Challenge your employers and get slow and keep asking for tools and help and tell them this is legal and this is not with this attitude you won’t get your first payment
Don’t buy cheap Chinese harbor freight tools or we’ll just get cheap Chinese electricians. You also look like a hypocrite slapping a union sticker o;a non union (Japanese) truck.
I have seen 2 Toyota puck up trucks at my job site that have large USMC window banners on them. I guess they never learned about WW2 Pacific Theater atrocities committed by the Japanese against our POW's, contractor's on Wake Island, and civilians throughout the Far East.
@@johnconnolly2016 Do as I say, not as I do. I don't care of Toyota trucks were made by non union Temps in Texas to union bust, the profits goto Japan. All new Tacomas are now made in Mexico.
Also, if you’re allowed to bring the tools that the contractor must provide, then guess who is and isn’t getting laid off. The dude that brings his own Milwaukee hammer drill and impact will likely stay. There shouldn’t be an arms race to stay employed.
You don’t fuck your brothers and sisters.
Which is why I like that my local forbids furnishing your own power tools. Fuck the rats.
You nailed it. This is why I don't bring in my Ryobi impact gun or sawzall, even though I prefer them over the company provided tools.
I finish my apprenticeship in 2 months. IBEW Local 291. Being in a right-to-work state, I see more non-union guys and gals around here. Union is the way to go, whether you're an electrician, plumber, carpenter, etc. I try to do my part in helping people see the benefits of going Union. Those who make the switch usually only regret that they didn't do it sooner. Stay safe out there, everybody.
You definitely nailed it @Ricker76
This is something that I planned on mentioning in the video that I unfortunately accidentally left out. This is a major reason why the list exists in the first place. Thanks for mentioning this ⚡️
I might have to pin this comment to the top 👍🏼
@@Brandon_Nelson92 it’s wrong not to belong. I work with a JW that was organized in and he said the same thing - should have joined sooner.
I think our industry needs more informative videos like this to generate interest of youngsters to make a career of it. IBEW 640
I definitely agree! That's a big reason why I make these videos. To generate interest, help guide people along the way, and really just to help spread awareness of the incredible opportunities like this that are seemingly hidden in plain sight ⚡️
Hey brother, I’m a traveler out of local 60 San Antonio Texas currently working in 48.
I just wanted to commend you on the work you’ve put into this channel. You make great quality videos that really make a strong argument for our union and help to advance the cause.
Personally I love your locals tool list and believe y’all have a very solid agreement in general.
Keep up the great work.
my local has a journeyman tool list, and when you join the apprentiship they give you a smaller version of that journeyman tool list. the idea is that throughout your apprentiship (5 years) you can aquire the remaining tools on the journeyman tool list. Also you are allowed to have 100 dollars worth of tools "NOT" above and beyond the journeyman tool list excluding anything the employer is supposed to provide. this allows for you to get some smaller hand tools that you like or prefer to use. there are times that the union seems like a profit machine, however the union is right there by your side fighting for better working conditions, pay, and a plethora of other things for the members. IBEW 340 has been a great place to be i will always be thankful for my time there.
I’m a Plumber and I love watching your videos ! I have the up most respect for all trades.
IBEW 58 here. We are not supplied with any free tools here. Ended up costing me about $300 and it wasn't even the full tool list to get the schools "starter kit"
I had my interview last month. I ended up ranking 8. I really appreciate the videos. They help me understand better what I'm getting myself into. Continue to do great content!
Wow Adrian! Congratulations bro!! 8 is an incredible rank!
I'm very happy to hear that the videos have been helpful for you!
Thanks for watching and being a subscriber ⚡️
good luck on your application!
Congrats. I'm applying next summer to my sparky union
Thank you for this content, I'm a union Laborer and I've been looking at pursuing a better career; this video series has helped me a lot to make my mind up
Just switched from laborers local 785 to the ibew man. Been 2 months. Best decision of my life. Go for it. There's a better life out there for you. I'll forever thank 785 for teaching me a work ethic. But it's worth the switch.
Thanks for posting this video. I've been thinking about joining my local for a while now. I talked to the recruiter a year ago, and he mentioned that I only need basic tools, but wouldn't tell me what those tools are.
I've been a non-union electrician for 15 years. I have a lot of tools. It's hard for me to wrap my head around things like, don't bring a multi meter. Have to have a hacksaw. What would I even use an awel for? I buy tools to make my life easier. Band saw, M12 cable cutter, M18 knockout kit (1/2" to 4"). Thousands of dollars in tools making half what a union guy makes, and I'm only required to bring maybe a couple hundred dollars worth??
I started in the trade when I was 20, and I'm 35 now. I don't even break $50k a year, I have expensive healthcare just for myself, I can't afford to cover my kids (my ex wife has them insured), and I have no retirement to speak of. I can't even begin to imagine how much different my life would be now if I had joined the union then...
Better late than never bro, you won’t regret joining the Ibew 👍🏻
It’s better to join now before you are 50 and wondering ‘what if’. Best of luck to you brother!
What area are you in? I am with Local 46 Seattle. We have calls going through all the books. What that means is, book 1 is for everyone in local 46, book 2 is travelers from other locals, book three is non union journeyman electricians and book 4 is just anyone off the street. I am not sure how well a book 4 does or lasts on a job but my point is that if you came to this area, I am certain that you would be working on a job within a day or two. The current rate for a journey wireman is $62/hr. You may want to call our hall to find out about working with an out of state license. You might be able to work for a bit of time while you wait to take the state test here. Let me know if you want more info. I would be glad to help.
Thanks for watching and commenting, Robert!
The tool list there might be slightly different than the list here, but I'd assume that it will be pretty similar.
As far as the awl goes, I've never really used it. It's meant to basically be used like a center punch though.
I'd imagine that it would be pretty weird from going from having a whole collection of power tools and other specialty tools that you're purchased that you're used to and then to switch from only needing to bring basic tools and to rely of your company for the rest. In my experience, it's been really nice, and if I've ever needed something then I just mention it to my general foreman and he gets it for us to use. Of course, your experience will vary from company to company, even with the IBEW.
I hate to say it, but I don't even have my own multimeter 😂 From day 1 I've always just used a Fluke 117 that my employer gave me to use. It's essentially my meter as nobody else uses it and I keep it with my tools though.
35 is still very young and if you think that you and your family could benefit from joining then I would highly recommend looking into it further. If you haven't already seen it, you might find my video "Why IBEW?" to be helpful.
No matter what though, regardless of what I say or anyone else says, you know what will be best for you and your family. ⚡️
Just finished my interview and ranked 9. But since the top 3 are starting in a couple weeks the lady at the training center told me that my rank is more like 6 and Should be starting this fall. I feel like my past experience and my willingness to start the apprenticeship over from the bottom helped.
Sooo cool to see you on campus the other day! It felt like meeting a celebrity, hehe! 🙌 😊 Your videos definitely help me stand out in my interview and build a beautiful portfolio, I can't thank you enough 🙏. I just finished my first week of bootcamp for the LEA program. I would be happy to share my experience in the LEA program for your channel, if interested. I believe in your channel and I think it's a HUGE resource for those interested in the trade. The non profit Oregon Tradeswomen organization knows who you are and encourage the women to watch your channel! ⚡💪♀️
Thanks for the video. The IBEW is not strong here in Texas. The IEC has been, but we mostly have independant contractors. I am an electrical contractor in the industrial sector, and we have worked on very large projects along with union shops, and it is two very different worlds, and approaches. I never knew y'all had a list of tools you couldn't bring with you on the job-site. Most electrical contractors supply everything except for your personal hand tools, but you can bring whatever tools you want. Also, the comments I read about the guys having the best personal tools getting to stay and not get layed off...not a thing...your personal tools are non issue when determining who stays or goes. Never heard of that concept in 35 years in the trade.
Lol look at the comment two down from you. Scab contractors definitely factor in the tools you bring when deciding who to keep around.
It is a good list. In the 3.5 years I was a sparky I never used an awl.
I think I've used it maybe only once, but not even for the intended purpose 😂
@@MadElectrician The first time mine was used a coworker broke the tip off. Not much of a pry bar.
How about a video about favorite boots, pants, and other pieces of clothing that you found best or most helpful as an electrician.
Duluth trading Co pants, Veto pro pac toolbag, and a milwaukee m18 portable fan. those are my top 3 lol
I did my interview a month and a half ago, I got rank #1 and just got indentured a couple days ago
The not list is also to make it fair between workers, example.. we will hire worker A because he has his own bender and band saw, Worker B doesn't. thats why we have a tool list. To keep it equal between workers.
That's a great point! I thought about that after I finished my video.
Thanks for mentioning this and watching, Mac! ⚡️
IBEW loca 11 in Los Ángeles isn’t like that. Every apprentice gets a tool list and starts as a green, experience or not. You still do the 5 years and journey out. Only exception is if you can prove the work hours you can be organized in as a journeyman or foreman. Again, with proof of work hours for whichever title.
Found these videos after a cursory search into electricians unions and how the process of getting involved is.
I have now decided I'm going to pursue this fully, and give it my best. I'm 24 with 7 years of experience in the trades already, so I'm confident in my chances!
Wow! That’s so great to hear! This career path is an incredible opportunity and I’m happy to hear that more people are starting to look into it. Hopefully my channel can serve as a good resource for you as you continue to take the necessary steps to join. Wishing you the best of luck.
Thanks for watching! ⚡️
I got in the local 26 apprenticeship program thanks for the advice brother !
Yeah you did!
Congratulations, Roy! Welcome to the brotherhood! ⚡️
How is it? Am 17 going to apply when am 18, was it hard to get in? Also what apprenticeship did you get into?
My local has a different tool list, we're not allowed socet set or combination wrench but we're allowed a multimeter and test equipment
Oh, interesting. So everyone has their own meter? Which Local are you a part of?
@@MadElectrician I'm a part of local 402 in Canada
My job provides each technician with the tools they need for the job and will replace any of your privately owned tools if broken on the job. They also will replace any broken company owned tool and they urge you to buy any tool or supplies you need to get the job done, on the company card.
Love your content but what I find ironic, especially for a sparky, is the hanging extension cords along the wall. 🤣 That's my two cents! Keep up the great work. ✌️
I'm 21 and literally know nothing about tools or anything having to do with being an electrician. Do you think someone like me can become an electrician? I just feel a bit discouraged since I know so little
I love my IBEW, don't get me wrong. I've been in the trade for 40 years, so I have a tool for just about anything. But I've found that the guys who cry the loudest about journeyman bringing tools to the job are the first ones to ask if they can borrow that tool if it makes their job easier. And I'm talking about hand tools like ratchet cutters; not power tools. I would never bring a power tool on a job. Stay safe, brothers.
I'm a 2 yr apprentice in a non-union company and i've spent close to $7,000 in tools. Everything from hand tools, power tools, testers, Knockout kits, benders of all sizes. But when it comes to lay offs and the company has to downsize, I'm never laid off. Unfortunely thats how it is, you wanna keep working? Bring your everything, at that point, your more useful then they guy who just brought a few hand tools and thats it.
Wow, I think this is a great real life example of why we have these tool lists. Unfortunately I didn't mention anything like this in my video, but this is a huge reason why it exists. I might need to make an additional short video to mention things like this, and possibly even specifically mention your comment in the video if you're cool with that.
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience! How are you enjoying your apprenticeship so far?
@@MadElectrician I'm ok with it no problem. The apprenticeship is going great. I love doing electrical work, it's a great experience. But you definitely notice that the amount of work available seems to be seasonal. We're busier than ever during the summer and on a hiring spree but in the middle of winter work is slow and the company downsizes it tries to keep it's most valuable employees and lay off the rest. And then summer comes again, hiring comes again. You see people come and go. Some companies will actually use each other's employees to keep an employee hours up. Like if we're busy and another company is struggling to find work, they can send guys to our jobsites and vice versa. I never seen anywhere else but in the tradea
Might as well be your own C-10 contractor if you are having to bring everything but a ladder and if you have all those tools you must be a foreman if not I would ask myself what am I doing here? Having all these tools and responsibilities and not having a steady job through out the year
Damn dude. Just join the union
That’s ratty af
I'm trying to get into my local IBEW 11 for Los Angeles 🙌🏽
You will never regret working with IBEW😎
That's awesome to hear, Gumer.
It can be a tiring and lengthy process getting accepted, but I can tell you from personal experience that it's absolutely worth everything that you put into it! Wishing you the best of luck in your application process! ⚡️
Very disappointed with my union experience and after 10 years I may have to leave. My local can't keep me busy and I can't travel. Glad to hear some have good experiences though.
Want to learn all aspects of the trade not just labor join another ibew that's my honest advice. I don't recommend local 11. Especially if you are going in as an apprentice. Other locals have a tighter knit with their members not 11. Local 11 will withhold your next pay grade whenever they get a chance. You are cheap labor and they try their best to keep it that way (as an apprentice). (don't sneeze too loud or you'll get a withhold, it is rediculously bad.- And I wouldn't even mention this if it wasn't for the fact that they cannot hold their end of responsibilities, not even close, compared to how much they ask from their members. With zero repercussions regardless of how many people have gotten screwed over with that same issue) And it's not just sparky jr's who have gotten the shorter end of a stick but j-dubs too. I've met good journeyman who have been discouraged from staying in the union because of the ambiance that comes with this specific local. They are great journeyman and foreman who are greatly respected by those who work with them so it's sad to see the higher ups treat them as dispensable escape goats and the union not having their backs when they needed it the most. If you are the "shoppy" type that has connections already in a company or two, who can probably get away with a mediocre work ethic, then you'll probably be just fine. And I get shoppies they have job security and options on the backs of true hard workers- doing the work that must be done but nobody else wants to do. But I digress. I wasn't that type though, I was a just a put me where you need me, no BS, let my work speak for itself, no gossip hard worker that had zero experience coming in. Did DC work/underground, the most labor intensive work you'll have as an inside wireman, for most of my time in the local. And don't get me started on the label of "disadvantage worker" "hall rats" or how people are getting robbed of their own money for retirement as an example. But if you want to know, let me know and I'll tell you. Food for thought here... There is a reason why joining local 11 is much easier then joining any other ibew. Why do you think that is? Size..true but a small variable out of the the whole equation. Think about the business/money aspect of it all and you'll probably just catch a fraction of a glimpse of the tip of the iceberg. To be completely honest I just wish I had known what I know now about local 11 so I could have made an informed decision prior. I am glad of what I have learned and the good people i have had the opportunity to meet. I would have just played my cards differently from the get go. I understand that business is business but the problem is the secrecy. Everyone should know what they are getting into that is all.
Starting my apprenticeship next week! I'm so excited!! I also got ranked 5! I only had to wait two weeks. Thanks for all the videos!
what local are you joining?
@@sondabrown7373 68 in Denver!
bruh 5 is amazing, congrats
@@Taquitos95 Sweet! Big Congrats!
Wow! 5 is incredible! You must have absolutely killed during your application/ interview process!
Congratulations and welcome to the brotherhood! ⚡️
Intresting perspective from the union side. Im a non union sparky In BC Canada. I want to start uploading videos myself. Love the logo and B roll
Damn I’m 25 our contractors provide wrenches, sockets, and Allen keys on each job - not that everyone doesn’t have their own of these items - but our tool list is much smaller and outdated as it includes a stick ruler and a plumb Bob LOL.
We did get a full set in our apprentice class.
And yea, anything powered is provided by the contractor for each job, some have even given me my own set :)
How did you approach? I mean after CCJ, or pre apprenticeship what did you chose
1. ETI inside wireman 5 year apprenticeship or telecommunications 4 year apprenticeship
2. Trade union IBEW
3. Direct employment
I’m 23 years old and trying to find a job that fits me. I love the idea of becoming an electrician, but I don’t have much experience at all doing electrical work. Can I still get into the trade? If so, what do you think is the best path to take? Thank you for your videos, they are very helpful.
The 'Shall Not Furnish' list is interesting. Not having to shell out for power tools is a major savings. On the other hand, what brand of multimeter are they providing? If it's Fluke or Klein (made by Fluke) or a few other brands that are known high quality, then fine. If they are some off brand piece of Chinesium crap, then no way am I trusting my life to them. That might be the one item I'd purchase, list or no list.
In local one, no one is buying a tester not made by fluke. Union or non union. The non union don’t buy that crap here either because the IBEW sets the standard
I like having all my own tools. Don’t have to break down during the day to go find what I need. One bandsaw for 20 guys is not efficient.
That's understandable. I agree, that wouldn't be very efficient.
At my work, our company provides everyone with their own individual full set up Milwaukee/ dewalt power tools (drill, impact, ports-band, and sawsall). We also have our own individual set up benders and everything else too. The only things that we really share are things like root hammers and ramsets.
Great video. I have a question concerning the screwdrivers and nut drivers; do combination tools qualify???
Could an 11 in 1 replace the 3 slot and 3 Philips head screwdrivers and a 7 in 1 nut driver replace the set of 6 nut drivers?
So I’m in electrician school I’m almost done and I really enjoy it I just was wondering does it matter what I work in to be successful as far as residential, industrial or maintenance and if I will be able to get my dream car one day a corvette stingray lol
As a heavy equipment mechanic we are expected to have close to 5k in tool to start plus a 2 year degree. I really picked the wrong trade...
Thank you for the videos. May I ask, which options are more reliable (I am referring to steady income), residential, sound, inside wireman or transportation? Also, would the union find it problematic if I start with residential and then want to switch to any other of the 3 options? Thank you very much.
Residential is really gonna get have more swings in it. Commercial and industrial is often steady even in a downturn because work has been planned out for a long time and is scheduled for a set time frame and the money has already been spent. Switching classifications shouldn't be a problem but be aware some locals only provide representation for certain classifications. For example local 666 doesn't represent linemen, residential, or data/phone techs in central Virginia.
It's always so awesome to see all of the personal insight from people in the comment section. Thanks for chiming in and helping answer questions everyone.
I personally think that being an inside wireman is the most lucrative and probably has the most work (generally speaking).
From personal experience, I've seen sound/ com workers have lots of slow times while we (inside wiremen) continue to be very busy. Residential is cool do, but if you have an inside wireman license then you're able to do any electrical work, including residential, anyways. Plus, there are so many different types of things that you can do as a commercial/ industrial inside wireman that in my option it's probably a lot more interesting as there are always new things to learn.
You can definitely switch from one to the other, but I think that if your goal is to become an inside wireman that you should probably just start with that. It can be tricky with some locals to switch, but it is possible. I know here you actually have to reinterview for the other license that you want to pursue, and then you will also need to take the required classes through the training center. This might mean that you could be already finished with your apprenticeship as a residential electrician, but then you have to go back to school for a couple more years to finish the additional schooling to become an inside wireman.
All things to consider, and probably something that's worth making a video about.
Thanks for watching, and I'm happy to hear that you're enjoying the videos! ⚡️
@@MadElectrician all this information is very useful for a lot of individuals (I include myself here) since there isn’t much information about this online. Thank you very much.
Don't knock maintenance either. There's ALWAYS something to learn. During my time with the IBEW it was only construction gigs being offered (actually my old local just got everything shut down for corruption like a year ago. kind of explains why they weren't respected by any of the members of different locals I've ever worked with), but if they give you a chance to do maintenance at a plant somewhere I'd say jump on it. you'll always have control schemes to pick your way through and if you get a good rapport with some of the other trades then they'll help you out, you can help them out, offering lots of opportunities to learn about instrumentation or mechanical or networks and automation. I've worked on construction jobs through Canada and the US, and I've done maintenance in both countries as well (journeyman certifications in both - EE98J in NM and RSE Electrician in Canada) and I'd only go back to construction if I had no choice (or was looking for a side gig to make some extra cash or do favors for family and friends).
though doing that you will likely be expected to have some different gear than is on that tool list lol.
you may need to spend some extra time in school to stand out from the other job applicants, but the perks are worth it and the education and experience is something you can't misplace.
I had to buy a multi meter it was on our had to buy list. And modteveryone i work with has purchased there own socket set for work.
mine has a plumb bob still and we're not supposed to carry tape measures only folding rulers
Lol that’s weird
What the 😂
Do your contractors provide tape meaures for everyone or do people just bring them anyways?
Seems like a lot of these tool lists are in need of updating.
While I support the equal working environment created in part by the contractor provided tool list, I'll readily admit that I bring a 12v impact in addition to the company provided 18v w/ a 5ah battery. An 18v fuel milwaukee impact for general electrical tasks is like driving finish nails with a 22oz framing hammer.
Lol You're joking, right?? You better learn to feather those screws without your wife's impact if you're not.... good luck brother
How are the comfort grips holding up would get them on the lineman’s are they good after years of use? Should I get the dipped handles
I got the call for Ibew but I’m leaning towards staying at my non union company.. they don’t provide any tools in Denver nor do they cover schooling, I have to pay for everything
Dang, the 611 tool list is a bit smaller. Kinda wish our local had some of those tools listed by you
It's interesting how much different tool lists can vary from local to local.
I'm pretty happy with our list that we have here.
is there a manual out there that tells every youtubers to pour and drink coffee in the beginning of their videos?
About to start my apprenticeship at local 153
LETS GO!!! Congrats on getting in! You stoked!? ⚡️
Do we have to buy our own tools and equipment or the IBEW or the company provides these??
I actually just made a video on that recently!
Here is a link: Tools New IBEW Electrician Apprentices Receive for FREE!
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Some IBEW locals give free tools and others don’t. I would call or shoot them an email to see if they do or not. That video I sent is of Local 48, showing the free tools that new apprentices get for free here.
Love the videos. Keep them coming please.
I want to join 112 so bad. But alas, i have to finish a surgery before i can even think about applying...
How likely do you think it is that a kid right out of highschool is admitted into the apprenticeship program?
Hey I’ve been thinking of applying and not sure if I should do residential, inside wireman, outside lineman, or vdv installer?? What type are you???
does your tool list go by year? ours starts off bare bones for dirst year and you have to acquire more each year. tape measures aren't on our tool list but a folding ruler is. lol
Your information is good and useful
Local 98 just checking in!
I’m from phoenixville and I just filled out my application at the office today. What’s it like in the 98 do they provide tools in the beginning as an apprentice?
sorry, you have to buy your own tools@@tylerbaker3010
Appreciate it!
Appreciate you! ⚡️
Local 640 checking in
Can you do a couple of sample test questions for us?
is there any certifications i can get to improve my chances of getting hired in the union ?
Can’t wait for the next video about what your training center gives you! For you potential new members, if you are interested in applying, check out my video about tools the JATC gives you!
Hey bro! I’ve seen your video and it’s great!
I’ll give you a shout out in that video whenever I do it (waiting on permission from my training center first) and I’ll tell people to check out your video/ channel! I’ll post a link to your video in the description too! I think you have a fantastic channel and I want more people to know about it⚡️
@@MadElectrician oh no you don’t have to do that brother! You’ve done enough for me. As always love your videos!
@@SparkysJourney If I'm able to make the video happen then I'm going to mention you and your channel in it whether you like it or not 😂
I visit Seattle every once and a while because I have some family there. Next time I'm in the area I'll reach out and we should see if we can meet up/ potentially shoot something together 👍🏼
@@MadElectrician let me know what they say! Just realizing I should have asked if it was ok? Didn’t even think about it lol But heck yeah man! That would be sweet! My videos will probably slow down here so I can focus on work (just started this week!) then should be back at it after I get a schedule locked down! But next time your up this way let me know! would definitely be a cool idea to do a video together
@@SparkysJourney Will do!
No, I wouldn't worry about asking for permission to make your videos.
The only reason I'm asking is because I want to film my video at the training center with a brand new box of unopened tools rather than showing the tools that they've already given me.
I have a big list of videos that I'm really excited to do at some point that would involve the training center, so I'm waiting to see what they say about all of those too. Everyone I've talked to (instructors and organizers) have been really excited about my channel, but I'm specifically reaching out the our training center director for permission just to cover all of my bases.
Will do, that would be super cool.
Right on bro. Can't wait to see more! ⚡️
Note! Feelings are not on the tool list!
😂
Local 134 checking in
Awesome!
Thanks for checking in and watching! ⚡️
So sorry your conditioned to be a slave to your contractor. They tell you you do what we say or you'll be off work for months to years. Again it is who you know in our local not what you know. Work in a real local and everyone gets layed off at end of job.
I don't even own a hacksaw, haven't used one in 10-15 years.
I don't think I've ever used mine on the job. Couldn't even find mine to make this video 🤦🏽♂️ I know it's somewhere, just not entirely sure where..
Everyone has their own powered Milwaukee porta-bands at my work along with their own set of power tools provided by our company.
Just need my physics. Just finished college electrical techniques and did a grade 12 math credit since it wasn’t a mandatory. Now just need physics then I’m applying in Ontario. Thanks for vids
Right on, you're almost there!
Wishing you the best of luck during your application process.
You're very welcome, and if you have any questions feel free to reach out anytime 👍🏼
Thanks for watching! ⚡️
Are u still here? i read a comment you said " IBEW local 48 is the best" So from where u have this information? resource? And what's the best IBEWs in California?
Local 7 contractors must provide gloves and rain gear
I actually find it really odd that gloves are on our required tools list.
I've never worked somewhere where gloves weren't provided by the contractor along with all other PPE despite them being on our required list.
Where are the videos gone
Just finally posted another one! 🥳
569 doesn't have a tool list... NECA SD keeps fighting us on a tool list.
Interesting. They want to add a tool list or they don't want you to have one?
NECA doesn't want one.
the contractor cronies bring whatever they want. the IBEW locals look the other way
It shouldn't be that way but I'm sure that it is in some cases with some locals.
Thanks for watching! ⚡️
I'm so glad I don't have to deal with union bullshit like what kind of tool I can and can't bring to work. Whenever something doesn't make sense and they try to explain it with "we're doing this to protect you" you should run for this hills. Unions really should go the way of the dodo. I will admit, they did have a time and a place, back before windows 95....
Hello Mad Electrician,
I would like a 1 on 1 consultation on my electrical career . How can we connect ?
Interesting.
Hey is there any way to appeal the test score?
while i used a metal tape measure it is NOT a good idea especially in a closet a 6ft wood rule is best i prefer the 8 ft stick .. you will almost never need a cresant wrench. especially if you have good pump pliers and nut drivers. a punch as well is almost never used. it has one purpose to make a starting point for drilling... a steady hand will do fine. as for a hammer . there is little you will need to hammer you couldnt use your side cutters for. when your practiced you wont need a skinners either
Border rush origins at Escobedo Blvd Apodaca Mexico ?
Hello from 46 👋🏻
Awesome! Thanks for watching, Seth! ⚡️
keep making vids
Thanks Dillon, I will!
They take a surprising amount of time to make, but I'm enjoying making them and it's always great to see that other people are enjoying/ benefitting from them. ⚡️
No impact drill or drill bits is just crazy
Portland Oregon
Mike Gregory IBEW 102 Mystery solved !
You guys need to supply your own gloves over there?
Ours says the minimum tool to bring.
Local 388 Stevens Point WI. Saying Hey brother!
Ibew 569.
Let's go!!!! ⚡️
134 is the worst local for this. It is over maned to many willing to kiss ass and use their own battery tools, sockets trucks carts etc.
1547 does not do that
No fishtape or drill bits? Lol
Those are always provided by the contractor 👍🏼
@@MadElectrician I'm in SWFL n just started my non union apprenticeship. Seriously thinking about moving to a place that's more unionized cuz the residential trade here is like medieval..
Challenge your employers and get slow and keep asking for tools and help and tell them this is legal and this is not with this attitude you won’t get your first payment
Don’t buy cheap Chinese harbor freight tools or we’ll just get cheap Chinese electricians. You also look like a hypocrite slapping a union sticker o;a non union (Japanese) truck.
I have seen 2 Toyota puck up trucks at my job site that have large USMC window banners on them. I guess they never learned about WW2 Pacific Theater atrocities committed by the Japanese against our POW's, contractor's on Wake Island, and civilians throughout the Far East.
@@johnconnolly2016 Do as I say, not as I do. I don't care of Toyota trucks were made by non union Temps in Texas to union bust, the profits goto Japan. All new Tacomas are now made in Mexico.
THREAD ALERT - Let's go Brandon origin may be traced to Thor Cable NJ USA contacts in Phillipines .
Lol the union
Thanks for watching! ⚡️