Supercharger Tear Down and Inspection
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- This video covers the complete tear down of a Jackson Racing supercharger for a B series Honda. This information will also apply to other roots style superchargers. I believe the unit in this video is an Eaton M62.
Since these superchargers haven’t been manufactured in at least 15 years, this one will need to be reconditioned. I was able to find a company that sells rebuild kits and also offers rebuild services linked below.
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Eric: I thought that nut was 10mm...
Supercharger: _'MERICA!_
Funny think is, that but IS a 10mm
Remember kids, the small blower pulley is also known as the "party pulley."
As soon as I saw the oil pour out, I was wondering how long it would take before that brutal smell hit you haha.
I've got old jugs of it in the shop. My father mistook it for normal oil and decided to use it on the hinges for his shipping container, woops!
"Unique Smell" is an accurate but light way of putting it.
I literally had that happen to me the other day. Opened up my first blower and then the smeeeelllllllll, whooooo-weeee!!
On the L67 3800 supercharged series 2 those score marks on the housing are nothing. Just replace the neddle bearings and put everything back together. You'll be perfectly fine.
Really cool. Learned a lot today about super chargers.
I'd love to hear the ITR whine..
Call Brent @PFISpeed check his channel... the honda go-fast guy!!!
Bro i would die if eric got tuned by brent lmao would be crazy.
Great publicity.
I really hope this ends up working out. I haven't been this excited about your content in a long time.... can't wait for more!
"Unique smell" isn't the way I would describe it lol.
I remember changing the oil on an M90 and, despite being warned, I was not prepared.
Yeah... first time I cracked open a M90, I had to leave the room.
Man, y'all are makin' me wanna catch a whiff! Hahaha, what's it like, similar to diff fluid?
@@tommylyeah I prefer diff fluid over old sc oil any day of the week.
@@carnage50x diff fluid with a hint of main cap bolt stink mixed to it
This is super interesting Eric. Can't wait to hear that supercharge whine ; )
Eric this is the most interesting series, really informative on modifying engines😉
Looking forward to the next video👍
Thanks for sharing Eric👍
&
Stay safe Bro❤
Glad you're enjoying it. Thanks for the comment and stay safe yourself!
Contact PFI Speed. They might have some parts or know some contacts...
G'day Eric I'm glad that you pulled the supercharger down I've always wondered what was going on inside.thanks mate regards John
I hope you get that thing installed. I wanted a jackson racing super charger for my crx back in the day. To expensive for a young guy.
I used to have one of these on a 2000 civic si. I loved it, I used a plastic manifold gasket to help with keeping intake temps down from heat soak.i put the intake temps sensor on the manifold side, temps weren't bad.
I had Highspeed labs rebuild mine and they did an excellent job. I sent mine to LHT to have the intercooler installed. Its a blast you will love it.
Does it actually keep it cool enough that we can drive during summer? I hate not being able to even do a pull or two in a gear?
Also do u know of a place to get it repair and or holes welded and resurface cause I got mines all crack along the injectors area and the holes are drilled out to fit a ITR b16 head. Need repairs then I can do lht or if lht can do them altogether I'll pay....thanks!
@@b20eg195 Yes it differently helps cool the intake charge but I would not invest in it if you do not plan to run higher boost. I am not sure where you could get it repaired maybe take it to a machine shop and have them look at it or keep an eye on ebay or facebook marketplace, they pot up once in a while. This is a excellent thread and will give you lots of answer's to your questions, good luck. honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/%2A%2A%2A-official-jrsc-thread%2A%2A%2A-1214810/
@@b20eg195 ebay.us/56YK4E?cmpnId=5338273189
Same here with hsl, their service is amazing!!
@@Marcking98 appreciate the link, but I have a complete kit. It's just that it is cracked at the manifold so there's boost leak and coolant leak. I'll try to get it welded fix if it isn't so expensive, but ya finding a spare one would be great, but I figured if I can send it out to LHT they could perhaps make it seal because they are going to cut the shit apart and reweld it lol.
you've heard of a dogleg transmission, we let Jackson Racing introduce you to the dog hair supercharger! I'll see myself out...
A great start to my Friday. Thank you. Be safe.
I just saw that supercharged Integra on your channel the other day. LOL.
That TypeR needs one!
Turbo!
Ah yes... The same Eaton supercharger used on the 2004-2007 Saturn Ion Redline & Chevy Cobalt SS Aka the SI killers
SI killer lol, It is kinda sad it takes a supercharged and or turbocharged 4 cylinder to beat a N/A 4 cylinder
I've watched your videos for quite some time and you have a certain charm when you make videos. Although you talk in a monotone way, it's still engaging and fun to watch! Keep up the good work!
Eric, I'm glad you found one. Look forward to the build vids on the ITR. Take care
Same design as a Eaton M90 used on 89-95 SC Thunderbird and Grand Prix GTP and similar to Eaton M112 used on Jaguar XK/J-R and Lightning.
Yes that pulley is very narrow the M90 uses an 8 Rib belt.
The only thing that Jackson did was make the intake the M60 is an off the shelf OEM item.
look forward to seeing this on the engine, and sound too.
On video those gouges look way over .003". (More like .015" deep) I would send it out to get it looked at. It's not like they can install oversized rotors either. They may fit against the wall better but they'll start to crash into each-other. Fingers crossed it all works out.
To measure the gouges you would have to get a surface plate and balance it on some "1-2-3 blocks" (Or v blocks), then use a dial indicator to measure the depth.
Thank you ETCG1, I always wanted to know how superchargers work. Can't wait to see it installed on the Acura Integra Type R. Zoom!
I have j35 with a m90 on it. Run the smaller boost pulley with the meth injection you won’t regret it
Me: Well, it's getting pretty late. I should probably go to bed.
ETCG: *uploads a new video*
Me: I mean, who needs sleep anyway?
If there’s any way possible, get that heat exchanger. It’ll damn near double the power capability of the blower.
I used to mess around with there in the early 00’s, tons of fun, especially in EK B18 swapped hatchbacks.
I'm leaning toward that myself. I'm reaching out to that company linked in the description today. Thanks for the comment.
@@ericthecarguy You really do not need to intercool it if you are staying with the stock pulley.
Love your videos, as I learn sooooo much from you. but.... @3:35 Eaton M62 superchargers moves 62 cubic INCHES of air every revolution. Sometimes I wish mine moved 62 cubic feet, lol. PS, it looks quite different from my 2006 Cobalt's Eaton M62... is it a M90?
They make an upgraded internal coupler. Eliminate some of the flex at high RPM and knocking noise. Also prevents against premature failure. I'm sure the damage around the snout is due to not using a proper supercharger pulley removal installation tool. 🤷♂️ Such as it is.
Praying it gets fixed, can't wait to see the build series.
I got to work in an integra type R that got a supercharger at the dealer.
I was not blown away.
In my opinion for the $$ a turbo is way better.
Driving a supercharger off the alternator is kinda Mickey-mouse.
I had a 2004 E55. V8 with a roots type blower and that thing hauled ass and was dangerous if you turned the traction control off. I burned the back tires off in about a month.
Heat exchanger with the use of AC would be a great idea I think in your case. :)
Put it on the gsr and keep the type R legit!!!!! Its the last of the last
Definitely well warn and used super charger
Sadly the Toyota SC14 (1.4L/Rev) is larger than the M62 (1.1L/Rev.)
If viable an M90 (1.5L/Rev) would be a way better option, especially on a 1.8L.
Cool find however. indicative results here: ruclips.net/video/KFSQer9WnWQ/видео.html
Bringing back some good memories. Had the same supercharger kit on my hondas in early 2000's.
The biggest drawback to these supercharger’s is that you’re stuck with a 4 rib belt. They slip non stop and you go through belts like crazy. To compound to that you have to invest in engine management to tune these properly.
I was afraid of belt issues.
I missed this video 10 months ago but watched it as soon as it was suggested. Around the 3:20 mark I could swear you said you believe the 62 means it move 62 cubic ft of air per revolution. I just can't wrap my head around how those impellers could possible move 62 cu ft of air in one revolution. Correction: the M62 moves 1.016 L (0.036 cu ft) per revolution.
I've always used Dayco PolyCog belts for my ProCharger, less slip than Gatorback or solid rib belts I've tried over the years. The larger blower pulley will help too, little more surface area for the belt to use.
I have a roots supercharger on my Buick, check out my dyno. Cool video Eric as always😎
I think you're totally making the right move going with a supercharger. It's much more fitting with the character of the engine. A turbo will give it a different power band and it probably wouldn't kick in at low RPMs like you want.
But I would trade a linear power curve of a supercharger for the power potential of a turbo.
Supercharger makes what like 220-240hp
A turbo makes a sohc 1.6 d series break 300hp easily.
Eric, I do believe you have sparked and reignited a few interest here; some reliving found memories and some new comers finding out the old stuff is where it's at! Congrats on finding this little gem. Have some fun with it. And then do a pass in the Ford so they can yell at you again. Great times we live in!
I still have a near new set of stock ITR rear lower control arms if you want to replace your rusty ones.
Thank you for the kind offer but I was just going to sandblast mine.
I can smell that supercharger oil. It’s so awful, worse than diff oil!
The scores in the housing and rotors are most likely caused by dirt and other particles sucked in because some knucklehead ran it without an air filter. When the bearings go bad you usually get smooth wear marks on the rotors and and housing.
Parts are all over the place for those, they were used on GM cars for several years on their supercharged V6s...
so just keep the intake manifold and swap the rest.
Those were m90s. The m62 was used on the Cobalt SS and Saturn Ion Redline.
Etcg has a million & a half followers but doesn't get the proper views because his original fanbase don't have access to their old yt accounts or they just stopped caring, but either way he's till consistent with the uploads
Look into top mount b series manifold for turbo! You can keep ac!
Heat wrap the ac lines and your good to go!
Turbo honda is A1!!!
Didn't see it at the top, but the 62 on m62 is the displacement of the supercharger gallery .62 liters
That supercharger looks like it came off of a 89 or 90 Ford thunderbird supercoupe. If it is, you may get a rebuilt unit cheaper than sending that one out.
Where as part of me is hurt that you're not keeping it N/A, the other part of me is like *YEAH* 💪😈
Please please please make a detailed video on how to install one on a naturally aspirated engine
That's the plan. Thanks for the comment.
@@ericthecarguy Im so hyped for some performance content on your channel. Let it Rippppp
Eric, I don't know if John at LHT is making those intercooler setups anymore, if he is or if you can talk him into it this is the much better method for air charge cooling. I was looking to do the same to the supercharger on my d series but wound up going with meth injection instead. It really does help the intake temps. Also if your sending your charger off to The High Speed Lab for inspection and rebuild consider having them port the blower case. It will help with airflow and efficiency which is something these kits struggle with.
Thanks for the heads up.
some years back I had a Holden Calais , with the GM L67 3.8 V6 supercharged engine , lots of low down torque , and a nice super charger induction sound too .
ChrisHallett83 no , but I’ll check it out 👍
YES Eric please supercharge the Type R. There is a Facebook group Honda JRSC (Jackson Racing Superchargers) discussion forum & classifieds. You can find a ton of info and or parts. also people sell the heat exchangers. Thanks for the video as always and again PLEASE supercharge the Type R!!
Try a bronze hammer instead of a DeadBlow when a sharp impact is needed to break things apart.
62 cubic feet per revolution!! That would be awesome but....... no supercharger EVER made puts that much air out in one revolution. Your specs say 62 cubic inches per. Thanks for the good vid tearing one down.
You are correct. I found that out after publishing the video. Glad I didn't commit to it. Thanks for the comment.
That's a nice supercharger I wonder would you have to have to change the timing any or mess with the ecu
Amazing car, channel and cant wait for the result !
What a blast from the past with the Jackson Racing SC. I’d send this out to the company and have them overhaul it since those tolerances are so minimal.
Usually when someone calls it a terminator instead of a cobra they know how deadly those 4 valve whipples are
Helical cut meshed gear.
Use these(much heavier and larger) in roper pumps in the oil field. Always interesting stuff. Keep on teaching Eric, it is your calling.
Autocross? Cool stuff. Been to a few courses with family a few times. In Washington state.
Nice burn. What happened? When it comes back-
remove the screws, brake parts cleaner the vanes
and chamber. Spray a LIGHT coat of Plasti-dip on vanes
& chamber, let dry. That unit is totally fixable.
Look for "Hypoid gear" oil (riding mower trans).
It's a shame it cant be used on your acura since it has 3/8 bolts......
12:12 open hand method that eric told us to do in the previous video .
You been on the “if you ain’t first, your last!” Mind set. Rip
Correction: The valve you were referring to is known as the "Bypass Valve". It does not bleed off boost, but rather "Bypasses" the airflow past the supercharger and into the cylinder head directly. Nice Video.
Eric, thanks for the informative video. are you worried that modifying the type R may hurt the resale value in the future, seeing as the prices for these cars are on a hike?
Not really. For one, this is all bolt on stuff that could be put back to stock if someone wanted to. Also, this car was never a 'creampuff', so the value was already hurt a bit. Lastly, this is a 'period' upgrade. In other words, I think it fits with the time of the car, late 90's early 2000's. It might even raise the value based on the rarity of these parts and the popularity of this upgrade. Thanks for the comment.
Eric I've been watching you, ChrisFix and several others for some time now and I've learned a lot. Thank you!
this looks like a fun project! thank you for sharing it with us!
3:30 62 stands for 62 cubic inches of air per revolution.
10psi/460cfm @ 14000 rpm(MAX SUSTAINED RPM).
Air discharge temp 180* @14K rpm, HP gain @14K rpm 36hp(Buick 3800).
Carry on. 👌🏻👋🏻
In my opinion supercharger is not about boost pressure, its all about the volume.. Roots type charger like yours are not ideal for a lot of boost anyway because they just make so much heat :) Its going to be neat when you get it going!!
LHT doesn't do the intercooler no more but I'm pretty sure Eric can get them to do it for him since he's a famous RUclipsr 😂
If not, just run e85 to cool it or hit up goautoworks for ac compatible turbo kit
Hey Eric, what do you plan on using for tuning it? I would add some injectors (don't need to be huge) and a high flow fuel pump as well (255 lph is more than enough). 500cc ish injectors are okay. Stock map sensor is okay as long as you stay under 10 psi or so. I tuned the d series version of this and it was a blast! Be careful of high IATs, I would be agressive with pulling timing for higher temps.
Have you gotten the supercharger rebuild?
62 cubic feet per revolution is certainly not correct. Perhaps you meant per minute? Sorry not trying to be a nit, but wondering...
Greetings from Slovenia 🇸🇮.
Keep Up The good work 👍🤠👨🔧
Hello Slovenia!
Excited to see how you piece this together Eric! Good research finding the LHT guys, he knows his stuff on Honda’s.
LHT Performance has a RUclips channel and they primarily work with Honda.
They're big fans of superchargers - especially on S2000s.
Good choice.
yeah the nissan xtrras and frontiers have the same m62 supercharger that you may be able to use and find low millage
The good news here is that it looks like that's just a standard M62 they created a custom snout and manifold for. Even if that housing is complete trash, you can easily get a new replacement. Maybe even upgrade to the new 4 rotor units in the process.
if you happen to have to replace it, i believe M62s are used on mercs, not sure which models though, think the 2.3L engine
It is cool that you can get to those bearings..with the GM 3800 chargers you can not dissemble them that way. As for the scoring in my experience they all look that way but if you know a rebuild company let them make that call..thanks for the content!
Talk to JOKERZ Performance Brett is your guy for all supercharging questions.
Very cool video. I use to have a JRSC on my 98 GS-R. Definitely a different sound when you hear that thing wind up. I loved it. Always had issues with the long bolt that adjusts the tension on the belt. Looking forward to you installing this on the ITR.
Seeing the super charger on that it looks very similar to the ones that are on the Mini Cooper S as they are pretty similar in size
Put an Eaton supercharger on my Tacoma like that one. I loved it.
12:11 busted knuckles 😂
"there we go"
When I had my 97 GS-R back in 98, I remember reading - I think it was - Super Street magazine and seeing that supercharger for those cars. Wasn't making a ton of money back then, but man did I want one! So friggin' cool that you found one all these years later!
I was the exact same way. I feel very lucky to be living my dream.
62 cubic feet per revolution sounds like a LOT..
Yeah that was way way wrong
Love the smell of supercharger oil in the morning.
A real Treat Especiale! AvE would be proud of you Eric!
Yup he released the Schmoooo on the healing bench.
Couple weeks ago I was working on a 1955 Allis Chalmers HD-15 bulldozer. It has one of these (just longer is all), and looks the same, even after all these years.
No mention of my favorite, the Whipple Supercharger?
Whipple is a name brand. They use the same 'roots' style as in this video.
A whipple is similar to this idea, just uses rotors that are a screw shape instead of the lobes. They’re generally more efficient and heat the air less.
Cool car sir...
Great job good info and glad to see you back eric
not intercooled? horrible efficiency. i hope you have an option to add a cooler.
17:47 and also it's just cool! I can't believe these are vintage now. I have magazines with ads for these brand new lol. God I'm getting old. I also remember wanting the nuespeed supercharger for the VW 2.0 8 valve. That was before I really discovered Honda though. I like my 2019 civic coupe turbo, just something about the older Honda's. I really miss my mint condition 94 hatch, and my mint condition 97 hatch. Or my super nice 1990 accord ex coupe. I often go to car shows and walk around the swap meets looking for "vintage" 😆 go fast parts for Hondas. Or anything really from that era. 1998-2005 were fun times.