Modern advancements in design of the Roots style Supercharger by companies like Eaton have greatly improved the thermal efficiency of the the design to approach that of the Twin-Screw. The Roots principle is the true "blower", in that it does NOT compress any air within but merely pushes greater volumes of air into the Intake manifold where air-compression can occur. The Twin-Screw is where air is squeezed between the lobes of the screws within the Supercharger to raise compression. So when no boost is required on the Roots, you just have a valve installed that when opened can divert the excess air to atmosphere with minimal parasitic load on the engine. The Twin-Screw is always acting so a blow-off valve is needed to lower the intake charge.
Couple issues, Roots do not compress they are just positive displacement. Screws rotors are not identical, one is the negative of the other and the increased efficiency comes from that it compresses and is also positive displacement. Centrifugal supercharger do have lag as they only compress and are not positive displacement, are essentially a belt driven turbocharger (the worst of both worlds).
What do you mean “The worst of both worlds”? Pro charger would disagree and the on track results in circuit and drag? And any time air is pushed into any engine at any increase in pressure it’s compressed air isn’t it?
@@needmoreboost6369 The spool-up is a major deciding factor in the diameter of the compressor. Too large, and the RPM required may be too large for a car to tap into the power potential in a practical setting. Too small, and it exchanges earlier RPM peak power for sooner pleateau of the engine.
I have a supercharged CTS-V coupe. I recently had headers installed and a larger exhaust system. I noticed that even though power output increased on the dyno the boost pressure had dropped. This is because the restriction on the exhaust system was reduced, allowing for a more free flowing engine offering the same power output at a reduced pressure. I had expected power output to actually increase significantly but I really only gained about 40 HP (540 Wheel Horsepower). I think this is because I am not burning enough fuel to match the increased airflow so next will have to be be larger fuel injectors and fuel pump. Once this is done I can then speed up my supercharger with a smaller driven pulley to get more power. Point here is, as the article stated, just sticking a supercharger on an engine doesn't mean you get a lot more power without changing other parts of the engine as well. In fact, too lean can cause all sorts of engine problems and increasing airflow too far without increasing fuel can cause serious damage to your engine.
I think one interesting topic is to discuss the different types of starters used to start engines. Crank starting, electric starter, inertia starter, spring starter, air starter, and whichever ones there are as well
Like the jack-of-all-trades thanks for giving me the visual I appreciate it I need it as far as the you know physical aspects I remember looking at the specs periodically either way thank you very much I needed it
So when you see a Merc with kompressor on the back, is it turbo or super charged? If a supercharger works off the Crank & a turbo works off exhaust(old skool) or electric. Why not forget about super chargers & have the turbo kick in from start up the accelerate as the car revs climb?
this is a really well done video / description. The one thing that has to be said is that somehow ..?? The C8 NA corvette ..? Supposedly runs at POSITIVE PRESSURE. How !?? I have no idea. They talked about tuning the manifold, etc., but like everyone doesn't try to do that ..? Yet, the manifold pressure doesn't lie. Which is kind of nuts. Still, great video.
The advantage of a turbocharger over a supercharger is the turbo uses WASTE energy to increase the boost, a supercharger leeches some energy from the crankshaft to spin. Or from the electrical system if it's an electric blower.
simply put, superchargers compress air, so the same volume builds up inside the comustion chamber, but more air molecules will be there, meaning it has greater explosion power.
We're looking to replace our 2016 1.0 Peugeot 108 in the next couple of years and it has to be small, but with a bit more power.. However most manufacturers have stopped making this segment of cars. It was going to be a 1.2 Kia Picanto, but on paper at least, the added power will be coping with a slightly heavier car. The turbo version has ended production, so it looks to be a two or three year old example. It's GDI too and I don't like going down that route but EVs aside, I don't see any real options (test drives notwithstanding).
It’s a novelty but for all the hard work you could have built the engine better! and used a better turbo! and destroy anything twin charged as the supercharger isn’t worth it’s weight on a modern engine! And even the best high end superchargers would become a restriction even compared with an eBay spec turbo of similar capability
@@needmoreboost6369 to be fair, the EMD system was used in Prime Movers, aka, Locomotives, for cars, yes it is certainly better to use either turbo or supercharger
I’m massively into vw’s (mk1 golf,mk1 caddy and mk4 v6 4 motion ) and love the g40 and g60 just a shame the g=lader needs rebuilt on such a short run time and that they never tried to improve on its design
I read that each pound of boost increases engine temps by 10 degrees. If this is the case, seems to me that in many forced induction applications the engine is going to suffer an early demise.
Centrifugal supercharges; belt driven or electric suffer from same boost problem found on turbochargers.... when you double the rpm of impeller, boost is not twice as much it's 4 times as much. Boost increases exponentially, 2 times faster = 2 squared = 4. Roots and twin screw have a linear boost curve. Twice the rpm = 2 times more boost. The electric supercharger has great promise. It can deliver precisely the exact level of boost managed by engine computer. Small surge storage tank can capture over pressure and store, rather than venting to atmosphere.
Yeah so true lol Except a comparison with the same engine turbocharged is not a worthy comparison as turbochargers are superior in almost every way to a supercharger
@@needmoreboost6369 If your statement was one of true fact then Superchargers would've died out decades ago - but they haven't! It's all about the "application" or intended use for the vehicle.
I want the physics behind roots type air compression, the trapped pocket of air should remain equal pressure throughout so how does it actually compress it further?
The turbo works through the exhaust stroke every half cycle of the four-stroke engine, a slow speed, but a supercharger that rotates with the engine and increases the air density.
? Turbocharged engines are far more efficient at producing boost than a supercharged engine! Basically It cost hp to spin a supercharger but a turbo runs on waste
@@mr.bamboozle3053 It can be done just gotta make sure its set up right ( which is sometimes not an easy task ) and that everything can handle the boost.
Thats not more efficient. More efficient wud b to get more power out of the existing air/fuel capacity. Thats more powerful by burning more air n more fuel. Jus thought id point that out.
You DO NOT need a supercharger. They ruin the life of an engine by producing too much heat in the ignition phase. You only have a supercharger to boost performance without redesigning the basic engine block.
Engineers did not "search for ways to give more power", they always seek (historically and spiritually) to make the cars slower, give as little as they can, glorify themselves as much as they can, while earning the same wage, or even demanding more.
It was the drivers (tactique) who asked for this. And often were ignored. Back in the day drivers built cars themselves. Then the royal ass demons came from hell and enslaved (the work force) the racing, and car-building. We had it all... then lost.
Modern advancements in design of the Roots style Supercharger by companies like Eaton have greatly improved the thermal efficiency of the the design to approach that of the Twin-Screw. The Roots principle is the true "blower", in that it does NOT compress any air within but merely pushes greater volumes of air into the Intake manifold where air-compression can occur. The Twin-Screw is where air is squeezed between the lobes of the screws within the Supercharger to raise compression. So when no boost is required on the Roots, you just have a valve installed that when opened can divert the excess air to atmosphere with minimal parasitic load on the engine. The Twin-Screw is always acting so a blow-off valve is needed to lower the intake charge.
I’m glad that I found this channel with entry level comprehensive explanation for engineering stuff
Couple issues, Roots do not compress they are just positive displacement. Screws rotors are not identical, one is the negative of the other and the increased efficiency comes from that it compresses and is also positive displacement. Centrifugal supercharger do have lag as they only compress and are not positive displacement, are essentially a belt driven turbocharger (the worst of both worlds).
What do you mean “The worst of both worlds”? Pro charger would disagree and the on track results in circuit and drag? And any time air is pushed into any engine at any increase in pressure it’s compressed air isn’t it?
So you don't like Cent blowers?
@0:38 "explosion" LOL, no.
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The spool-up is a major deciding factor in the diameter of the compressor. Too large, and the RPM required may be too large for a car to tap into the power potential in a practical setting. Too small, and it exchanges earlier RPM peak power for sooner pleateau of the engine.
the centrifugal i think it doesnt lag but it just puts pressure by rpm constantly like all superchargers but weaker
I have a supercharged CTS-V coupe. I recently had headers installed and a larger exhaust system. I noticed that even though power output increased on the dyno the boost pressure had dropped. This is because the restriction on the exhaust system was reduced, allowing for a more free flowing engine offering the same power output at a reduced pressure. I had expected power output to actually increase significantly but I really only gained about 40 HP (540 Wheel Horsepower). I think this is because I am not burning enough fuel to match the increased airflow so next will have to be be larger fuel injectors and fuel pump. Once this is done I can then speed up my supercharger with a smaller driven pulley to get more power. Point here is, as the article stated, just sticking a supercharger on an engine doesn't mean you get a lot more power without changing other parts of the engine as well. In fact, too lean can cause all sorts of engine problems and increasing airflow too far without increasing fuel can cause serious damage to your engine.
I think one interesting topic is to discuss the different types of starters used to start engines. Crank starting, electric starter, inertia starter, spring starter, air starter, and whichever ones there are as well
Shot gun cartridge Napier ww2 plane engine. A dangerous start for sure
Even know i understand the main concepts of superchargers/turbos
I still loved watching this and it was very informative, love it
Thank you for this video ❤
Like the jack-of-all-trades thanks for giving me the visual I appreciate it I need it as far as the you know physical aspects I remember looking at the specs periodically either way thank you very much I needed it
I really wana go up the road and grab an electric supercharger to have a play now. Damn you lol
Very well explained. 👏
So when you see a Merc with kompressor on the back, is it turbo or super charged? If a supercharger works off the Crank & a turbo works off exhaust(old skool) or electric. Why not forget about super chargers & have the turbo kick in from start up the accelerate as the car revs climb?
@@kevinburke6743 rip conrods! all the boost none of the revs! I don’t know why no one does that lol
Just buy a real turbo!
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this is a really well done video / description. The one thing that has to be said is that somehow ..?? The C8 NA corvette ..? Supposedly runs at POSITIVE PRESSURE. How !?? I have no idea. They talked about tuning the manifold, etc., but like everyone doesn't try to do that ..? Yet, the manifold pressure doesn't lie. Which is kind of nuts. Still, great video.
Liked this video. Awesomeee content on Superchargers 💗
Thanks
Technically a turbo charger is a form or supercharger. Superchargers do not have to be mechanical.
Now I know how Supercharger’s function & how advantageous than the Turbocharger. Thnx for the lesson.🙏
The advantage of a turbocharger over a supercharger is the turbo uses WASTE energy to increase the boost, a supercharger leeches some energy from the crankshaft to spin. Or from the electrical system if it's an electric blower.
@@michiganengineer8621 Turbocharger is passive charging, Supercharger is active charging.
@@michiganengineer8621 Turbocharger DOES have a parasitic effect on the engine too, but it's minimal compared to supercharger.
Well explained about super chargers
Thank you 😊
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simply put, superchargers compress air, so the same volume builds up inside the comustion chamber, but more air molecules will be there, meaning it has greater explosion power.
thank you for this video
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Superchargers - the proper way to boost an engine.
Can you run the rotors them backwards directions and what happens to the air flow when you do?
There won’t be any oxygen in the engine so the fuel won’t combust
As a kid going for a operating engineer degree thank you
Good video
Thanks
A good video topic could be on the electric turbo like the MGU-H which is used in F1
We're looking to replace our 2016 1.0 Peugeot 108 in the next couple of years and it has to be small, but with a bit more power.. However most manufacturers have stopped making this segment of cars. It was going to be a 1.2 Kia Picanto, but on paper at least, the added power will be coping with a slightly heavier car. The turbo version has ended production, so it looks to be a two or three year old example. It's GDI too and I don't like going down that route but EVs aside, I don't see any real options (test drives notwithstanding).
Emd has the best supercharger system as it combines both supercharger and turbocharger into a single unit.
It’s a novelty but for all the hard work you could have built the engine better! and used a better turbo! and destroy anything twin charged as the supercharger isn’t worth it’s weight on a modern engine! And even the best high end superchargers would become a restriction even compared with an eBay spec turbo of similar capability
@@needmoreboost6369 to be fair, the EMD system was used in Prime Movers, aka, Locomotives, for cars, yes it is certainly better to use either turbo or supercharger
Nice Explains. You forget to explain Comprex Supercharger type?
I have a G60 Supercharger in my Golf 2 GT from 1989.
The motor is an 1.8 GTI G60 and with sone tuning the motor makes 230 Horsepower.
I’m massively into vw’s (mk1 golf,mk1 caddy and mk4 v6 4 motion ) and love the g40 and g60 just a shame the g=lader needs rebuilt on such a short run time and that they never tried to improve on its design
make a video on fuel system if possible
Having owned both turbocharged and supercharged cars, I would never get another supercharged car.
TURBOS FOR THE WIN!
I have the twin screw supercharger in my dad Jeep Cherokee sport 4X4
I have a 09 Pontiac G8 with F-1A-94 Procharger feeding a LS 416ci and on full e85 puts down 1000whp!
Nice! But the Comprex?
Please made a video on how turbos work
i have a screw type in my Pontiac grand prix gxp with the v8 and i got it up to 715hp
I love those type of things especially when the supercharger or blower or pro charger over boost the engine and cause destruction
I got supercharger in my dodge ram TRX and big turbo in my s15
Nice
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What about the vortech v3 supercharger
got an eaton-supercharger in my 2001-XJR-Jag
1:00 Wow! ❤
I read that each pound of boost increases engine temps by 10 degrees. If this is the case, seems to me that in many forced induction applications the engine is going to suffer an early demise.
Doubtful, because that's the reason intercoolers exist. To cool the air back down after it's been compressed.
Any supercharger can be driven electrically.
Centrifugal supercharges; belt driven or electric suffer from same boost problem found on turbochargers.... when you double the rpm of impeller, boost is not twice as much it's 4 times as much. Boost increases exponentially, 2 times faster = 2 squared = 4. Roots and twin screw have a linear boost curve. Twice the rpm = 2 times more boost. The electric supercharger has great promise. It can deliver precisely the exact level of boost managed by engine computer. Small surge storage tank can capture over pressure and store, rather than venting to atmosphere.
Never heard anyone refer to it as a "suction stroke" 🤣
I love the comparison where there is no downside to supercharger lol /s
Yeah so true lol Except a comparison with the same engine turbocharged is not a worthy comparison as turbochargers are superior in almost every way to a supercharger
@@needmoreboost6369 If your statement was one of true fact then Superchargers would've died out decades ago - but they haven't! It's all about the "application" or intended use for the vehicle.
It's much simpler than you're implying.
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When the blower is bigger than the car's engine, you know you have serious problems.
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I want the physics behind roots type air compression, the trapped pocket of air should remain equal pressure throughout so how does it actually compress it further?
The twin screw supercharger's rotors are not identical.
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You missed the Scroll Type Supercharger (invented in 1905, by Léon Creux) - it becomes famous with VW 's G40 & G60 - the "G-Lader".
I always thought the Axial Flow superchargers were cool. No mention here :(
The turbo works through the exhaust stroke every half cycle of the four-stroke engine, a slow speed, but a supercharger that rotates with the engine and increases the air density.
is it possible to have both in one car
@@mr.bamboozle3053 yes
? Turbocharged engines are far more efficient at producing boost than a supercharged engine! Basically It cost hp to spin a supercharger but a turbo runs on waste
@@mr.bamboozle3053 It can be done just gotta make sure its set up right ( which is sometimes not an easy task ) and that everything can handle the boost.
@@mr.bamboozle3053 Yes
unfortunately i don't have one
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Thats not more efficient. More efficient wud b to get more power out of the existing air/fuel capacity. Thats more powerful by burning more air n more fuel. Jus thought id point that out.
There are superchargers that have lag. Those that don't have positive displacement.
This would be a great video if it wasn't for the super robotic and just bad narration. Sorry, I can't watch, it's just too bad.
Turbo engines ruined the fun of driving.
You DO NOT need a supercharger. They ruin the life of an engine by producing too much heat in the ignition phase. You only have a supercharger to boost performance without redesigning the basic engine block.
Engineers did not "search for ways to give more power", they always seek (historically and spiritually) to make the cars slower, give as little as they can, glorify themselves as much as they can, while earning the same wage, or even demanding more.
It was the drivers (tactique) who asked for this. And often were ignored. Back in the day drivers built cars themselves. Then the royal ass demons came from hell and enslaved (the work force) the racing, and car-building. We had it all... then lost.
Yesterday's news.
Everything is going electric.
9 months later and nothing changed lol.
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