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I was out with the airfield operations team at manchester airport, this morning I had just gotten back from a nightshift so I wasn't on for this but what i can say is that we have also had attempts over the past few days to clear the links as you enter/exit the runway and they're just completely iced over. I was with the operations team the other night where we going around the airport trying to clear snow and ice off taxiways and stands (got to drift the ops car on a snow bank on stand 68 which was good fun), they are also trying to be somewhat conservative on the fluids they're putting down as they've used over 800 thousand litres of the fluid and we have to put the fluid down at the right point. the fluid is partially water based which means if you put it down at the wrong point its going to have very little effect. I've been on since sunday where I was on a day shift dealing with the snow closure there and they had Ops people running out trying to help clear stands and ground equipment, I was clearing some DHL steps on stand 10 and managed to get the ice off just in time to allow the aircraft to begin boarding but they still ended up delayed due to all the weather. Airfield ops have been going as hard as they can to work with what we've got and we weren't even expecting heavy snow accumulations in the forecast either when we got our shift brief last night they said they were only expecting light snow if any at all and weren't expecting it to stick at all. it was -7*c last night working out there trying to keep things clear and about half the night was spent in low visibility procedures as well which doesn't make things any easier. sources like the manchester evening news are never very accurate at reporting and love to dramatise the situation because they get more people to read the story and its going to just put people more on edge which isn't what anyone needs. I won't say the snow response was perfect because it wasn't but the guys on the ground did the best they could with what they had and the news stories don't portray that well.
Thank you for all your hard work I'm on holiday now because of you you did fantastic.. thank you everyone at Manchester Airport and the MEN is a joke it doesn't do proper journalism it just regurtitates angry tweets. (Literally any one can send the MEN fake news and they will publish it)
Thanks for this, a really great insight. I was on FR2088 this evening. Delayed leaving Cork due to the ATC restrictions at Manchester. A nice hold over Wigan looking out at the pockets of freezing fog, followed by a thoroughly enjoyable autoland experience! Will be uploading a little video of the landing from onboard at some point tomorrow. The outbound this morning departed in quite the blizzard, we just got out before the runways closed!
Lewis well explained most haven’t got a clue what is involved, the infrastructure operations of an airport. It’s not just RWY’s. Perhaps you should send to the comic that is the MEN
A fascinating insight into airport operations, thanks for sharing. I worked on the railway for more than forty years and I’m used to the Ill-informed negativity spread by those who don’t know what they’re talking about, so it’s good to see it’s happens in aviation too ! 😂
I love the fact that pilots are told to proceed 'with caution' after exiting the runway - Just in case they might feel tempted to perform a donut on the apron!
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I live within visual range of AEY airport in north Iceland. It snows most days here in winter and watching them keep that clear is amazing. Obviously it's nothing like the size of MAN, but it just shows you the work needed to keep runways and taxiways snow and ice free
Thanks for doing this video, might help people understand what goes on. I did see a post on social media asking why they didn't have heated runways 🤦♂
Maybe this 1h45min closure will lead to purchase of a full set of specialist snow clearing/runway treatment vehicles. Like those at Stockholm and Helsinki airports (videos on RUclips).
I live close, and work next door to East Midlands Airport, and have noticed quite a few times us getting diverts from Manchester (Sister MAG airport), Birmingham, and London's before, and can remember one day, where everything pretty much south of EMA / BHX was closed, so quite interesting to see a number of Virgin's turn up here. For those that do know, whilst EMA is quite small compared to the other main UK airports, it is however almost the biggest Freight airport in the UK, with it's close links to the Motorway network, and a Free Trade Zone with Container forwarding by rail, so interesting what we get here, the Airbus Beluga and the Antonov freighters.
I wouldn't call it small, passengers yes, MAG only bought it to stop it being competition for Manchester Airport, the runway is larger than more busier passengers
EMA is a cool airport for cargo spotting especially since a lot happens during the night as well, didn't actually realise it was only fire CAT 7 as with the large aircraft east mids get i thought they would've had the fire cover to handle it. I need to do a trip to EMA at one point and see how it's like and see the difference of aircraft that we don't get in MAN
Considering I nearly went over on my a@&@ this morning on the pavement. I’m glad they closed the airport. Too many past incidents have happened, so well done to the ground staff. And a very interesting video. Thanks Lewis
Fascinating indeed! On occasion, I find myself tuning in through the Jodrell SDR for the Manchester aircraft. Though I lack a scanner of the calibre of the Uniden, I occasionally listen to the aircraft as they approach Leeds Yeadon. It proves quite intriguing at times. From my window, I can observe the planes circling above, their paths often diverted by the treacherous winds that we are prone to here in North. There are moments when they sometimes divert, either towards Manchester or East Midlands. I occasionally also listen to Scottish control as I can see aircraft at great height out my window as they head further North and often across the Atlantic.
0:50 - While the airports in the UK probably have a couple plows stored somewhere the one day it snows - they aren't the Nordic kind with a specific vehicle only for plowing and brushing. 😅
Amazing work Lewis and I agree well done to the team, in the tower and on the ground, interesting note Egcc feed is on broadcastify, uk, Cheshire and Egcc, signal isn’t that great though!
That was fascinating/ awesome to listen to! Thank you again for another great video, Im scared of getting into the radio world for the same reason I dont play WoW, cause I know it will eat my entire life, so im really greatful that you allow that nerd itch to be scratched without me having to bankrupt myself buying gear and losing myself in the airwaves 😅🙏
I was scanning across the thumbnails and what scrolled by came across at first glance as "Freak SHOW Closes Manchester Airport" and my first thought was "I've been there a few times and it's always a freak show..." 🤣
If this was the same day I was stuck in the industrial estate next door, you should’ve seen/heard the airport at around 6am. They were queuing all along Alpha up to B2 and the last one I watched arrive ended up having to wait at the end of the runway 😅 was a very busy morning.
MAN is the last British airport I’ve used, way back in 2018. Two parallel 10,000-foot runways, whereas most airports here in the United States have a mess of runways. (MAN is the third-busiest airport in the UK; even some very modest ones in the USA will have three or more runways.) Some airports here are very good with snow, such as ORD; I expect that ATL would be miserable at handling it.
I was stuck in Heathrow in 1990’s due to rare, but heavy snow storm & there wasn’t enough hotels so I had to sleep in Heathrow overnight for the for next flight out the next day. The airport was very crowded.
the morning before this, the airport was snow closed for around the same time.. around 5:30 am it was reopened (not the runways, but the apron etc) but the ATIS still had the snow closed message which caused a bit of confusion. Tomjet 155 was stuck in a hold over wallasey at fl270 for a good 45 mins unsure about when they'd land, low on fuel covered in ice and had been told 6am but didnt know whether that would be to start approach or touching down. pilot/fo sounded pretty severely pissed. edit: was the morning of the 5th
Very interesting. Certain passengers would do well to watch this video so they can gain an appreciation of how airports deal with such situations then they probably wouldn't get stroppy with airport staff.
Not just Manchester but Leeds Bradford was closed over the weekend too with flights being diverted to Glasgow and East Midlands. Not a great weekend flying wise
I’m hoping they don’t have the same snow problems a delays tomorrow as I have pick up from Manchester Airport at 12:40pm from coming York. Do agree UK airports aren’t used to snow and ice.
I live in Memphis, home of the FedEx Superhub. We are having a very unusual heavy snow. But because of FedEx, MEM has LOTS of snow removal equipment. I suspect the runway is clear.
As a frequent flyer in the 80's and 90's I never complained about delays and re-routes. Safety and getting home safely were always the priority. I have had to stay over in some pretty dodgy places and hotels as a result .
I used to de ice and anti ice aircraft back in 2000 , extremely long and hard hours of work either driving round the aircraft in close proximity or in the basket pumping 1000,s of litre of fluid hour after hour , intake my hat off to all who work in those conditions still , but I would love a chance at doing it again
EMA would be acceptable at a lower fire category as it's a diversion, not the destination. The rules vary depending on where the diversion is, but you can usually accept one category reduction for a diversion, and sometimes two. Some AIrbus aircraft also have the ability for report the achieved braking/action RWCC through the flight management system. It's quite a useful feature for contaminated runways. We are only required to report the aircraft reported RWCC if it is worse than that reported by ATC.
I recently had my outbound flight cancelled because of the fog. I guess it's better safe than sorry, but all the easyJet flights (not my airline) were taking off as normal throughout. I could hear them flying over Hyde.
ILS approaches do reduce takeoff and landing frequency so it could be your flight just got bumped off the schedule to make room, typically they try and do it with high frequency or domestic flights so passengers aren't delayed too long or can consider alternative transportation. Though Manchester airport has tons of spare capacity with its two massive runways so I'm not sure I'd buy that. Maybe fog at your destination airport?
Super video. What was you listening to the Virgin aircraft on ? Was it Manchester approach? I live at the Rosun hold but can only get 1 sided conversation
😳 I can’t throw stones after I flew into the airport in Jackson’s Hole WY. It was quite a snowy evening and that’s really saying something as Jackson’s hole is well known for its skiing. There I witnessed as we turned back to line up with the runway a pair of snow plows racing down the runway. “Well that’s nice, we get a freshly plowed runway.“ the plane circled in and set down after exiting the plane I noted that the snow plows passed the terminal . I assumed that they would be headed back to a hanger or garage, nope, they turned off and went down the runway again with the blades down, they turned off at the end and yet another plane came in. While that flight was taxiing here came the plows back the other way , blades down plowing snow. I hadn’t really considered what kind of logistics would be perfectly normal in an airport close to a ski area. 💁 But it totally makes sense.
I'm always full of praise for the airports ground crew but less so for airport management. Fortunately I've only ever been delayed by snow once and that was at London City. However, its worth pointing out that Innsbruck, which knows a thing or two about dealing with snow, has never had to close it's runways in 50 years of operation. Yes it's a smaller airport but they have the right level of equipment to deal with it. Unlike a lot of UK airports which take the view that snow is such a rare event and spending a large amount of money on specialist equipment to have it standing idle for what could be 50 or even 52 weeks in the year doesn't make financial sense. I can't say that I blame the bean counters for taking this approach but it would be nice if management told customers the real reason as to why they haven't been able to clear the runways and apron areas.
They don't care I don't think, stuff on RUclips Glasgow life and also another wiyh solent vts for marine movement and ofcom of users don't seem to care, yes if they object it will be acted on by ofcom but if they don't then it's nit an issue
I was quite surprised how little snow it took to shut the runways, there couldn't have been more than a centimetre out there this morning, I've seen far worse and the roads were all clear. I wonder if the ice and freezing mist was more of an issue.
Yeah the runways weren't closed for snow itself but they have to be able to get all the snow equipment on and apply the fluids which takes time so they have to close the runway during that time
@@GravyOverload Still, an over 90 minute closure even considering how long the the runways are for all that seems a tad excessive. While I appreciate that Manchester Airport doesn't get snow all that often it seems like there's room for improvement in regard to logistics. Hopefully once T2 is finished and more flights start using the airport they'll have the money to invest in more equipment.
@Croz89 it takes time to apply the solution and to make it work, they have to go over it multiple times and then do a full post closure inspection of the runway, the second runway isn't used in snow because its used as primarily a dumping ground but it's mostly iced over anyway
@@GravyOverload Sure, but other airports, even ones where snow is equally uncommon, manage to do this a lot faster and with less disruption for conditions of similar severity (obviously nobody expects it to cope with a blizzard, but this wasn't that severe). I still think Manchester could do significantly better (see a comment by a pilot on this video), and what with other incidents this year it is not helping its reputation. It already ranks bottom in some customer satisfaction surveys.
@Croz89 I am not saying the airport is perfect but they also had to call in mandatory overtime people to come in and help man the stuff because its not an instant process
What’s their excuse today then? Their departure delay is way above any other airport in the UK as far as I can see and there hasn’t been any ‘freak’ snow, just frost which every other airport has got. I just think their ground operations are somewhat lacking. Interested to hear what airlines think.
I flew from Manchester airport on Monday my flight was only an hour late I would much prefer a late plane that is safe.. and was harder to get to airport because of snow than getting my flight
@RingwayManchester The evening before (on the 8th) a snow warning was issued for that area, hourly models also showed snow forcast on the Thursday morning 🤷🏽♂️ however I'm not taking anything away from the brillant and efficent operation Manchester Airport undertook to clear the tarmac and runways
The keyboard warriors are all aviation experts. It was the same with the fog last week. the usual "typical Britain, other countries can land planes in fog".... yes, as can most British major airports. The problem is, what do they do when on the ground? A lot of airports have ground sensors that can tell where aircraft are, but the aircraft themselves generally require good vision to follow taxiways, see warning lights, see other aircraft and the gates. This means that in heavy fog, everything moves slowly, meaning less stuff can move. Its why quieter airports can sometimes run without difficulty, but dense airfields like Manchester and Heathrow have to cancel flights in order to make space. Too many armchair experts out there these days.
People always moan when snow blocks any sort of transport. People don't seem to realise that we have so little snow in at least England nowadays it does always boil down to extra cost to the people using that transport to pay for; something people will complain about also. In theory you could have underground heating for all the tarmac in England just for those 2 days a year it might be needed... there has to be a cost benefit ratio that suits. I've got all season tyres on my car, cost me more, and have used them 3 times in 7 years in snow... not that I'm bitter ... but you get the point.
Lol, no. Public transport is there to keep the country running, get people to work, let them get to the shops to keep the economy afloat, not turn a profit. If it doesn't meet that requirement then it requires additional funding. Less the bottom falls out the economy (imagine if you couldn't buy a Costa because the staff are stranded and don't live within the gentrified ridiculously expensive inner city location.) Yeah, it affects everyone even if you drive a BMW.
Well, ofcourse it is (: I just wanted to brag a bit when we actually deserve it. I obviously realize that the resources we put in for snow clearing here would be wasted over in MAN. Also, it is kinda embarrasing when arriving at Arlanda and have to pass the manual passport control, it is a long walk, and you are greeted with two bored police officers checking you passport in a long queue, it is a terrible first impression when arriving in Sweden for foreign travelers.
I did wonder why a B787 Dreamliner belonging to TUI (flight from Cancun) had diverted this morning, I don't think I have seen a Dreamliner there before, plenty of B777 freight belonging to DHL but never a B787
I was one of the pilots caught out by all of this on Tuesday and I honestly found their handling of it to be unacceptable. Snow was forecast and the airport were simply unprepared for it. Our aircraft was on the ground for the best part of 2 hours and in the end, we had to overnight somewhere else because of the delays.
@@RingwayManchester fly the 737…Got called off of standby to ferry an aircraft, then fly to MAN, then back to the first destination, then was meant to ferry back home, but had to overnight at the first destination. Think we got into MAN at roughly 17:00 and departed again at about 19:00 and 23L was still completely covered. Problem with MAN is they just don’t have anywhere near enough equipment for the size of the airport, so it gets overwhelmed too quickly. Loved your video on SoX lamps the other day…very nostalgic haha
I'm confused... We typically don't get ATC radio for UK on the various ATC incident RUclips channels because (as i understand it) it's a (really really dumb) criminal offence in the UK to listen in (or rebroadcast) these transmissions. So what gives? Genuinely intrigued, because I'm guessing you know the UK law better than non-UK flight incident channels.
What an amazing view this is/was !!! I am going to have to listen and watch it again at least once!! I’m not even remotely familiar with aircraft regulations etc and I doubt 99% of the countries population are However the situation is clearly not as straight forward as the people think Yes I think it is strange that they don’t have any major issues in Germany (another euro zone that deals with high quantity air traffic) But I think to say that it’s a shit show here is a little comment with a little bit of disregard for the fact My friend I apologise I cant place your name but I often Bob in and out of your videos pods etc And I can only say cheers for your work
Since Manchester has very little snow and they get hit with a bit of snow that surprised them, I expect the issues because of that. Just think of getting 2.5 to 8 centimeters an hour that hit me at the end of November here in Western NY with 198 cm in one week!!!! The end of November is one thing, that snow fall is something that can happen in January!!! DE N2JYG
i dont fly never have never will but i seen the snow SHOWER comeing at 715am on the 9-jand so why didnt they use there weather radar and why didnt the virgin plan tell manchester it was snoqing at liverpool airport cos that was the way the snow SHOWER came from yes it was 1 snow shower,but its all ways the same at manchester 1 snow flake and they shut the airport funny how norway or finland have this prob as they have snow and frost over 6 months of the year
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I was out with the airfield operations team at manchester airport, this morning I had just gotten back from a nightshift so I wasn't on for this but what i can say is that we have also had attempts over the past few days to clear the links as you enter/exit the runway and they're just completely iced over. I was with the operations team the other night where we going around the airport trying to clear snow and ice off taxiways and stands (got to drift the ops car on a snow bank on stand 68 which was good fun), they are also trying to be somewhat conservative on the fluids they're putting down as they've used over 800 thousand litres of the fluid and we have to put the fluid down at the right point. the fluid is partially water based which means if you put it down at the wrong point its going to have very little effect. I've been on since sunday where I was on a day shift dealing with the snow closure there and they had Ops people running out trying to help clear stands and ground equipment, I was clearing some DHL steps on stand 10 and managed to get the ice off just in time to allow the aircraft to begin boarding but they still ended up delayed due to all the weather.
Airfield ops have been going as hard as they can to work with what we've got and we weren't even expecting heavy snow accumulations in the forecast either when we got our shift brief last night they said they were only expecting light snow if any at all and weren't expecting it to stick at all. it was -7*c last night working out there trying to keep things clear and about half the night was spent in low visibility procedures as well which doesn't make things any easier. sources like the manchester evening news are never very accurate at reporting and love to dramatise the situation because they get more people to read the story and its going to just put people more on edge which isn't what anyone needs. I won't say the snow response was perfect because it wasn't but the guys on the ground did the best they could with what they had and the news stories don't portray that well.
Thank you for all your hard work I'm on holiday now because of you you did fantastic.. thank you everyone at Manchester Airport
and the MEN is a joke it doesn't do proper journalism it just regurtitates angry tweets. (Literally any one can send the MEN fake news and they will publish it)
Thanks for doing a cohesive and critical analysis of it ringway. and taking the time to put it all together.
The ATC guy is the same person who was on the ATC where the Thomson 757 had a bird strike in Manchester way back in around 2007😊
Decent job and pay, these lads and lasses tend to stick around lol
Thought I recognised the voice, was he the second controller?
Super video. No hype just great information. Thank you. I wish Thai I had more to give. Keep up the great work 😊
You’ll never know how appreciative I am of you my friend
Was listening and watching also. Great job and coordination by all involved.
Very good point, if only other sectors could work so well together! All very professional.
Thanks for this, a really great insight. I was on FR2088 this evening. Delayed leaving Cork due to the ATC restrictions at Manchester. A nice hold over Wigan looking out at the pockets of freezing fog, followed by a thoroughly enjoyable autoland experience! Will be uploading a little video of the landing from onboard at some point tomorrow.
The outbound this morning departed in quite the blizzard, we just got out before the runways closed!
Lewis well explained most haven’t got a clue what is involved, the infrastructure operations of an airport. It’s not just RWY’s. Perhaps you should send to the comic that is the MEN
Thank you Lewis. This was fascinating and very well edited.
A fascinating insight into airport operations, thanks for sharing.
I worked on the railway for more than forty years and I’m used to the Ill-informed negativity spread by those who don’t know what they’re talking about, so it’s good to see it’s happens in aviation too ! 😂
I love the fact that pilots are told to proceed 'with caution' after exiting the runway - Just in case they might feel tempted to perform a donut on the apron!
We've all done doughnuts in a snowy carpark, pilots are only human after all 😅
@highlandoutsider It's the pilots that try it mid-flight that you need to worry about!
Or perhaps a wheelie 😅
@@trueriver1950 😂
We are required, as air traffic controllers, to provide essential aerodrome information to aircrew. This encompasses anything that might affect the safe operation of aircraft.
All I could think of was that old skit about Yorkshire Airlines 😂😂
I live within visual range of AEY airport in north Iceland.
It snows most days here in winter and watching them keep that clear is amazing.
Obviously it's nothing like the size of MAN, but it just shows you the work needed to keep runways and taxiways snow and ice free
Thanks for doing this video, might help people understand what goes on.
I did see a post on social media asking why they didn't have heated runways 🤦♂
It was such relief flying out that day after hours of delays and cancellations of flights.
Really interesting and informative stuff that, thanks. Just goes to show that scanning is still a very valid and entertaining hobby!
Nice one Lewis. I was listening too.
People think clearing an airport happens instantly lol.
Maybe this 1h45min closure will lead to purchase of a full set of specialist snow clearing/runway treatment vehicles. Like those at Stockholm and Helsinki airports (videos on RUclips).
As usual you just stated the facts with no spin. Very much appreciated!! Great content!
I appreciate that! And I try 😀
I live close, and work next door to East Midlands Airport, and have noticed quite a few times us getting diverts from Manchester (Sister MAG airport), Birmingham, and London's before, and can remember one day, where everything pretty much south of EMA / BHX was closed, so quite interesting to see a number of Virgin's turn up here.
For those that do know, whilst EMA is quite small compared to the other main UK airports, it is however almost the biggest Freight airport in the UK, with it's close links to the Motorway network, and a Free Trade Zone with Container forwarding by rail, so interesting what we get here, the Airbus Beluga and the Antonov freighters.
I wouldn't call it small, passengers yes, MAG only bought it to stop it being competition for Manchester Airport, the runway is larger than more busier passengers
EMA is a cool airport for cargo spotting especially since a lot happens during the night as well, didn't actually realise it was only fire CAT 7 as with the large aircraft east mids get i thought they would've had the fire cover to handle it. I need to do a trip to EMA at one point and see how it's like and see the difference of aircraft that we don't get in MAN
I'm so glad to see you're around; was worried seeing that flooding over in Manchester. Thank you for the vids and glad you're okay👍
Much appreciated!
Well done to them and to you for highlighting this, another brilliant informative and timely video. Thank you Lewis 👏
Great insight into the operations of the airport. Safety is paramount, and you can hear that in their communications. 10/10 and a new sub.
Considering I nearly went over on my a@&@ this morning on the pavement.
I’m glad they closed the airport.
Too many past incidents have happened, so well done to the ground staff.
And a very interesting video.
Thanks Lewis
Nice video! I was onboard an Aer Lingus ATR from Belfast but we had to divert to LBA as we hadn’t enough fuel to continue holding at MAN
That was very interesting to listen to. Thanks for the video.
Nicely done RM! 👍 As a private pilot, I have been grounded lately by our strong winds! ☹
Fascinating indeed! On occasion, I find myself tuning in through the Jodrell SDR for the Manchester aircraft. Though I lack a scanner of the calibre of the Uniden, I occasionally listen to the aircraft as they approach Leeds Yeadon. It proves quite intriguing at times. From my window, I can observe the planes circling above, their paths often diverted by the treacherous winds that we are prone to here in North. There are moments when they sometimes divert, either towards Manchester or East Midlands. I occasionally also listen to Scottish control as I can see aircraft at great height out my window as they head further North and often across the Atlantic.
That was really interesting, thank you. 🙂
The Tower controller used to work at Leeds Bradford Airport. I'd recognise that voice anywhere!
That's why air traffic controllers get paid so well.
0:50 - While the airports in the UK probably have a couple plows stored somewhere the one day it snows - they aren't the Nordic kind with a specific vehicle only for plowing and brushing. 😅
The Virgin aircraft is flying what is referred to as a published hold., there is a published entry and exit point(s) as well as leg lengths.
Great video, Lewis...👍
Amazing work Lewis and I agree well done to the team, in the tower and on the ground, interesting note Egcc feed is on broadcastify, uk, Cheshire and Egcc, signal isn’t that great though!
?Stupid question, I thought it was illegal to re-broadcast Air Traffic Control in the UK?
It’s illegal to listen to anything not intended for you too
@@RingwayManchesterso ... ?
BE CAREFUL. this attitude is not good! It IS illegal to to do what you are doing.
Yes I know, I’ve made dozens of videos on the topic? There’s no attitude to me whatsoever?
That was fascinating/ awesome to listen to! Thank you again for another great video, Im scared of getting into the radio world for the same reason I dont play WoW, cause I know it will eat my entire life, so im really greatful that you allow that nerd itch to be scratched without me having to bankrupt myself buying gear and losing myself in the airwaves 😅🙏
Very professionally dealt with by the airport, ATC and pilots.
I was scanning across the thumbnails and what scrolled by came across at first glance as "Freak SHOW Closes Manchester Airport" and my first thought was "I've been there a few times and it's always a freak show..." 🤣
If this was the same day I was stuck in the industrial estate next door, you should’ve seen/heard the airport at around 6am. They were queuing all along Alpha up to B2 and the last one I watched arrive ended up having to wait at the end of the runway 😅 was a very busy morning.
Back in1982 our flight from Tokyo was changed before we took off as Anchorage was snowbound. It meant refueling at Moscow. What a trip a DC8.
MAN is the last British airport I’ve used, way back in 2018. Two parallel 10,000-foot runways, whereas most airports here in the United States have a mess of runways. (MAN is the third-busiest airport in the UK; even some very modest ones in the USA will have three or more runways.)
Some airports here are very good with snow, such as ORD; I expect that ATL would be miserable at handling it.
I was stuck in Heathrow in 1990’s due to rare, but heavy snow storm & there wasn’t enough hotels so I had to sleep in Heathrow overnight for the for next flight out the next day. The airport was very crowded.
In my day, the book to have was the UK Scanning Directory! 😁👍
the morning before this, the airport was snow closed for around the same time.. around 5:30 am it was reopened (not the runways, but the apron etc) but the ATIS still had the snow closed message which caused a bit of confusion. Tomjet 155 was stuck in a hold over wallasey at fl270 for a good 45 mins unsure about when they'd land, low on fuel covered in ice and had been told 6am but didnt know whether that would be to start approach or touching down. pilot/fo sounded pretty severely pissed.
edit: was the morning of the 5th
That holding pattern for the VS flight is right over my locale, see holding ac regularly.
Very interesting. Certain passengers would do well to watch this video so they can gain an appreciation of how airports deal with such situations then they probably wouldn't get stroppy with airport staff.
Nice insight. Thanks,
Not just Manchester but Leeds Bradford was closed over the weekend too with flights being diverted to Glasgow and East Midlands. Not a great weekend flying wise
Amazed 23L was closed from Sunday morning until the following Monday 8 days in total
I’m hoping they don’t have the same snow problems a delays tomorrow as I have pick up from Manchester Airport at 12:40pm from coming York.
Do agree UK airports aren’t used to snow and ice.
I live in Memphis, home of the FedEx Superhub. We are having a very unusual heavy snow. But because of FedEx, MEM has LOTS of snow removal equipment. I suspect the runway is clear.
As a frequent flyer in the 80's and 90's I never complained about delays and re-routes. Safety and getting home safely were always the priority. I have had to stay over in some pretty dodgy places and hotels as a result .
Guess that was back in the pre E261 days when the passenger had to pay for them and that meant finding the cheapest place near the airport.
We have also have very strong snow right now here in the west of Germany. And: first.
I heard about the snow in the UK and Germany.
It's very cold and windy hear
in the NE US. 😊
In Berlin you have the snow and the BER which was build I think in the 1950s
@raymondmartin6737 and here in the Rhineland, snow is an absolute rarity
I live about 3 miles up from the airport and the met office had no warning about this snow
They don't expect snow with their global warming agenda..
@@2handsandwichesCongratulations, you just won dumbest comment award. 🎉
It was in the airport TAF so not exactly unexpected
I used to de ice and anti ice aircraft back in 2000 , extremely long and hard hours of work either driving round the aircraft in close proximity or in the basket pumping 1000,s of litre of fluid hour after hour , intake my hat off to all who work in those conditions still , but I would love a chance at doing it again
EMA would be acceptable at a lower fire category as it's a diversion, not the destination. The rules vary depending on where the diversion is, but you can usually accept one category reduction for a diversion, and sometimes two.
Some AIrbus aircraft also have the ability for report the achieved braking/action RWCC through the flight management system. It's quite a useful feature for contaminated runways. We are only required to report the aircraft reported RWCC if it is worse than that reported by ATC.
I have a Uv5r Baofeng does anyone have a list of all frequencies that I can tune into in the UK struggling to find some?
@Ringway Manchester
Check the 2 links in the description
@@RingwayManchester I don’t have a computer
I recently had my outbound flight cancelled because of the fog. I guess it's better safe than sorry, but all the easyJet flights (not my airline) were taking off as normal throughout. I could hear them flying over Hyde.
ILS approaches do reduce takeoff and landing frequency so it could be your flight just got bumped off the schedule to make room, typically they try and do it with high frequency or domestic flights so passengers aren't delayed too long or can consider alternative transportation. Though Manchester airport has tons of spare capacity with its two massive runways so I'm not sure I'd buy that. Maybe fog at your destination airport?
Super video. What was you listening to the Virgin aircraft on ? Was it Manchester approach? I live at the Rosun hold but can only get 1 sided conversation
Another great video.
😳 I can’t throw stones after I flew into the airport in Jackson’s Hole WY. It was quite a snowy evening and that’s really saying something as Jackson’s hole is well known for its skiing. There I witnessed as we turned back to line up with the runway a pair of snow plows racing down the runway. “Well that’s nice, we get a freshly plowed runway.“ the plane circled in and set down after exiting the plane I noted that the snow plows passed the terminal . I assumed that they would be headed back to a hanger or garage, nope, they turned off and went down the runway again with the blades down, they turned off at the end and yet another plane came in. While that flight was taxiing here came the plows back the other way , blades down plowing snow.
I hadn’t really considered what kind of logistics would be perfectly normal in an airport close to a ski area. 💁 But it totally makes sense.
I’ve bought the link in description but unsure how to tune into and listen to any of the frequencies
@@Skiinye ruclips.net/video/S0TCBn5uihU/видео.htmlsi=0OPAsDYU8Xnd23IX
Spot on.
I'm always full of praise for the airports ground crew but less so for airport management. Fortunately I've only ever been delayed by snow once and that was at London City. However, its worth pointing out that Innsbruck, which knows a thing or two about dealing with snow, has never had to close it's runways in 50 years of operation.
Yes it's a smaller airport but they have the right level of equipment to deal with it. Unlike a lot of UK airports which take the view that snow is such a rare event and spending a large amount of money on specialist equipment to have it standing idle for what could be 50 or even 52 weeks in the year doesn't make financial sense. I can't say that I blame the bean counters for taking this approach but it would be nice if management told customers the real reason as to why they haven't been able to clear the runways and apron areas.
Did you also listen to the final takeoff of Jet2's last 757?
No I didn’t, sick of hearing about it 😂
Love the video but will you get in trouble for putting up air band recordings?
Despite the clear law, I wouldn’t think so.
They don't care I don't think, stuff on RUclips Glasgow life and also another wiyh solent vts for marine movement and ofcom of users don't seem to care, yes if they object it will be acted on by ofcom but if they don't then it's nit an issue
@mpol701 thank you. And I'm glad they're not so harsh on people and their hobby
Great video! Is the pilot speaking in any of this and is there a device which does this? Thanks
I was quite surprised how little snow it took to shut the runways, there couldn't have been more than a centimetre out there this morning, I've seen far worse and the roads were all clear. I wonder if the ice and freezing mist was more of an issue.
Yeah the runways weren't closed for snow itself but they have to be able to get all the snow equipment on and apply the fluids which takes time so they have to close the runway during that time
@@GravyOverload Still, an over 90 minute closure even considering how long the the runways are for all that seems a tad excessive. While I appreciate that Manchester Airport doesn't get snow all that often it seems like there's room for improvement in regard to logistics. Hopefully once T2 is finished and more flights start using the airport they'll have the money to invest in more equipment.
@Croz89 it takes time to apply the solution and to make it work, they have to go over it multiple times and then do a full post closure inspection of the runway, the second runway isn't used in snow because its used as primarily a dumping ground but it's mostly iced over anyway
@@GravyOverload Sure, but other airports, even ones where snow is equally uncommon, manage to do this a lot faster and with less disruption for conditions of similar severity (obviously nobody expects it to cope with a blizzard, but this wasn't that severe). I still think Manchester could do significantly better (see a comment by a pilot on this video), and what with other incidents this year it is not helping its reputation. It already ranks bottom in some customer satisfaction surveys.
@Croz89 I am not saying the airport is perfect but they also had to call in mandatory overtime people to come in and help man the stuff because its not an instant process
What’s their excuse today then? Their departure delay is way above any other airport in the UK as far as I can see and there hasn’t been any ‘freak’ snow, just frost which every other airport has got. I just think their ground operations are somewhat lacking. Interested to hear what airlines think.
Would love a scanner but don't know where to start just hoping next Thur nt ok as I'm on evening Qatar to Bangkok for some hot sun.
I flew from Manchester airport on Monday my flight was only an hour late I would much prefer a late plane that is safe.. and was harder to get to airport because of snow than getting my flight
I was delayed in Manchester on tuesday for 8 hours, for about 2 cm of snow. 😂
Very interesting video.
The snow was most certainly forcasted. I mean they were on a yellow warning 😂
No it was not.
@RingwayManchester The evening before (on the 8th) a snow warning was issued for that area, hourly models also showed snow forcast on the Thursday morning 🤷🏽♂️ however I'm not taking anything away from the brillant and efficent operation Manchester Airport undertook to clear the tarmac and runways
I always struggle to understand what they're saying as they talk so fast😂
The keyboard warriors are all aviation experts. It was the same with the fog last week. the usual "typical Britain, other countries can land planes in fog".... yes, as can most British major airports. The problem is, what do they do when on the ground? A lot of airports have ground sensors that can tell where aircraft are, but the aircraft themselves generally require good vision to follow taxiways, see warning lights, see other aircraft and the gates. This means that in heavy fog, everything moves slowly, meaning less stuff can move. Its why quieter airports can sometimes run without difficulty, but dense airfields like Manchester and Heathrow have to cancel flights in order to make space. Too many armchair experts out there these days.
People always moan when snow blocks any sort of transport. People don't seem to realise that we have so little snow in at least England nowadays it does always boil down to extra cost to the people using that transport to pay for; something people will complain about also. In theory you could have underground heating for all the tarmac in England just for those 2 days a year it might be needed... there has to be a cost benefit ratio that suits.
I've got all season tyres on my car, cost me more, and have used them 3 times in 7 years in snow... not that I'm bitter ... but you get the point.
Lol, no. Public transport is there to keep the country running, get people to work, let them get to the shops to keep the economy afloat, not turn a profit. If it doesn't meet that requirement then it requires additional funding.
Less the bottom falls out the economy (imagine if you couldn't buy a Costa because the staff are stranded and don't live within the gentrified ridiculously expensive inner city location.)
Yeah, it affects everyone even if you drive a BMW.
Please permit me to brag a bit (:
My local airport, ARN/ESSA - Stockholm-Arlanda has never closed due to weather.
End of bragging.
Maybe that's because that part of the world gets WAY more snow than we do.
Well, ofcourse it is (:
I just wanted to brag a bit when we actually deserve it.
I obviously realize that the resources we put in for snow clearing here would be wasted over in MAN.
Also, it is kinda embarrasing when arriving at Arlanda and have to pass the manual passport control, it is a long walk, and you are greeted with two bored police officers checking you passport in a long queue, it is a terrible first impression when arriving in Sweden for foreign travelers.
Forget snow MAN is just an horrible place 24/7/365. Embarrassing to have this Hell hole in my life
I did wonder why a B787 Dreamliner belonging to TUI (flight from Cancun) had diverted this morning, I don't think I have seen a Dreamliner there before, plenty of B777 freight belonging to DHL but never a B787
What is the model of the radio lewis you are listening to this on ? Would you recommend it or is there a better one for a complete novice
Icom 5100 here but for a novice, uniden 125xlt is perfect
@RingwayManchester brilliant appreciate the help
I was one of the pilots caught out by all of this on Tuesday and I honestly found their handling of it to be unacceptable.
Snow was forecast and the airport were simply unprepared for it. Our aircraft was on the ground for the best part of 2 hours and in the end, we had to overnight somewhere else because of the delays.
Are you an airline pilot?
@@RingwayManchesterAffirm.
Interesting to hear your take! Many thanks.
I’m also very jealous. What type do you fly
@@RingwayManchester fly the 737…Got called off of standby to ferry an aircraft, then fly to MAN, then back to the first destination, then was meant to ferry back home, but had to overnight at the first destination.
Think we got into MAN at roughly 17:00 and departed again at about 19:00 and 23L was still completely covered. Problem with MAN is they just don’t have anywhere near enough equipment for the size of the airport, so it gets overwhelmed too quickly.
Loved your video on SoX lamps the other day…very nostalgic haha
Football pitches have underfloor heating?
Right?
I'm confused... We typically don't get ATC radio for UK on the various ATC incident RUclips channels because (as i understand it) it's a (really really dumb) criminal offence in the UK to listen in (or rebroadcast) these transmissions. So what gives? Genuinely intrigued, because I'm guessing you know the UK law better than non-UK flight incident channels.
What an amazing view this is/was !!!
I am going to have to listen and watch it again at least once!!
I’m not even remotely familiar with aircraft regulations etc and I doubt 99% of the countries population are
However the situation is clearly not as straight forward as the people think
Yes I think it is strange that they don’t have any major issues in Germany (another euro zone that deals with high quantity air traffic)
But I think to say that it’s a shit show here is a little comment with a little bit of disregard for the fact
My friend I apologise I cant place your name but I often Bob in and out of your videos pods etc
And I can only say cheers for your work
What scanner do you use?
Icom 5100 on this occasion
@ a lot newer than mine then! I have a Realistic Pro-32 that I can’t for the life of me work out how to work properly.
At 0505 snow showers and freezing fog were forecast for MAN
At 5am, by that time the nightshift had an hour left and then it was transition to day shift, very little time to get things actually prepared
Irc 15 or 30 ..which is best ?
Since Manchester has very little snow and they get hit with a bit of snow that surprised them, I expect the issues because of that. Just think of getting 2.5 to 8 centimeters an hour that hit me at the end of November here in Western NY with 198 cm in one week!!!!
The end of November is one thing, that snow fall is something that can happen in January!!!
DE N2JYG
Interesting but I would just say snow on a cold Manchester day in January cannot be described as freak.
I’d say unforeseen snowfall that wasn’t forecast and caught the airport totally off guard is freak
Manchester seems to be bad for delayed at the best of times 😂
The snow was predicted days before 🤷♂️
Not for this morning it wasn’t. Source: Manchester airport, and a controller I know personally….
I thought at first Freak Snowfall was some radio pirate or something.
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I was OPS-3 in the late 90s
I was from 1987 to 1989
But otherwise an excellent summary!
good
i dont fly never have never will but i seen the snow SHOWER comeing at 715am on the 9-jand so why didnt they use there weather radar and why didnt the virgin plan tell manchester it was snoqing at liverpool airport cos that was the way the snow SHOWER came from yes it was 1 snow shower,but its all ways the same at manchester 1 snow flake and they shut the airport funny how norway or finland have this prob as they have snow and frost over 6 months of the year
East Midlands Airport can have A350s and A330 passengers.