The Hinton Disaster: Head On Freight Train Collision Kills Passengers | Mayday | Wonder
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2021
- On 8 February 1986, a Via Rail passenger train and a 118-car Canadian National Railway freight train collide, killing 23 people. The freight train crew did not stop at a red railway signal on a section of a passing loop. An inquiry concluded that a "railroader culture", which prized loyalty and productivity at the expense of safety, had resulted in a tired and sick crew of three failing to stop the freight train.
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I can barely function on 3 hours of sleep, to be expected to be able to control a train is just ridiculous. RIP to everyone who died.
Same here. It's like walking in a fog. Shouldn't even be driving really.
35 to 45 years ago in the oil patch services industry 3 or 4 hours of sleep was the norm for 3 weeks at a time. 6 hours of sleep was like a huge bonus. Try working 120 hours in 6 days or 74 hours straight. For some I'm sure that still happens.
Trains don't have regular schedules, and when they reach the crew base, a crew needs to be on duty to take the train onwards. This leads to irregular crew times and irregular sleep. That is not the fault of White Collar Bastards, that is the fault of just how the railroad operates. In 2021, that isn't the case anymore.
Even with adequate sleep. Its a well known fact that changing sleep schedules regularly is just as bad if not worse than sleep deprivation. this is a common scenario in rail disasters, where fatigue causes a disaster and the scapegoat police and general lack of amnesty make conductors afraid to tell the truth if they fell asleep, which depending on the scenario, may not implicate the conductor, yet they may be punished anyway. In those scenarios you need to ask whether it was the employees fault, or the companies fault as to whether they were adequately rested. Its perfectly natural for someone to lie if they may face severe punishment and the do not feel they committed a crime.
i regularly work a forklift at a warehouse/factory at that amount of sleep. guess the diffrence is my work is ofthen really physical and that tends to wake one up
The two bodies of husband and wife found hugging each other after the husband went back in to die with his trapped wife was heartbreaking.
Yes, that was touching.
@@dirktyler3643 I know that is heartbreaking I'm crying on the inside
Are you related to Renee Paquette of WWE fame, now with AEW?- 10/14/22
nah the dead children are the most heartbreaking.
Yeah :( I pray they are in Heaven together now. So sad.
"He has a lot of experience with locomotives. During the war, he blew 36 of them up." Weird-flex but okay..
Kinda ironic don't you think? He blew up 37 trains during the war and years after he's on one train that in a way blown up and burned.
@@SideComment24, karma working its way to him. 😬
@@c_p_a_r he blew up nazi trains are you a neo nazi?
@@oregonrailfan7046
are you a communist?
@@ursodermatt8809 I think he misunderstood the previous comment.
BTW Nazis are also Communists.☺️
Let's get real. They were all asleep. CN is entirely responsible due to their horrible policy of not making sure engineers get adequate sleep, and giving them such wacky schedules. Not to mention allowing a man who was very sick and had had multiple violations on his record be in charge.
CN is partly responsible, rigging the dead man’s pedal is the fault of whoever did that.
Sad but true
@@zaydansari4408 in my country 3,5 hours between shifts arent even allowed. Here it is ar least 10 hours between shifts...
So this is a blame to them for overworking their crew...
When I did shift work there had to be 12 hours between but that was a while ago
Union pacific mandates 12 hours as well
As soon as it was stated that the engineer had 3 hours sleep, I knew who was at fault. There was absolutely no excuse whatsoever for corporate to be having crews on call 24/7/365 without no regular schedule for proper sleep. This is the same for over the road truckers. I was glad when US law mandated a limit of 8 hours driving for them and mandated hours before they could get on the road again.
This should have been the standard for all transportation occupations-train crews, truckers, flight crews and boat/ship crews. The number of deadly disasters that can be directly or indirectly blamed on crew fatigue is far too high.
I think every single job should mandate 10 hours in between shifts. 8 hours for sleep and 2 for travel/getting food which is just as important. Except in times of extreme emergencies
@@Anna-tc6rz, absolutely.
Come on. 8 hours between shifts? That doesn't even include travel time! These guys are only getting 4 to 5hrs WITH the mandated 8 hrs off!
I use to find in the towage industry [ tugs ] , that they can give you sanctioned breaks but that doesen't mean you sleep , people just don't have on off switches and you end up worrying about not getting to sleep and that just makes it worse , you end up a wreck..
Even Southern Pacific Railroad, hardly renowned for their good treatment of train crews, allowed eight hours off between work sessions.
It is possible that Smitty was so tired that he was unable to properly judge the situation. I blame Canadian National for their inadequate sleep schedule for crews and blatant negligence, as well as any company whose employee policies result in disaster.
I agree
Just one of the links in the disaster chain, break just one, never happens.
@Sharan Shibu but didnt CN recieve punishment as apart of the findings?
Yes, CN is 100% liable for this grossly negligent and senseless tragedy. They put profits over safety and apparently they’re still working their employees to the bone even after this happened. *Unbelievably.*
It is also possible he didn't want to get fired for pulling the cord if the chance that his crew were actually in good health
This accident affected my Grandfather who was an engineer for CN at the time, to retire from CN and move to working for VIA, shuttling the Canadian between Montreal to Ottawa until his retirement in 1990. CN were really working their crews to death at the time, and unfortunately that hasn't really changed.
Hope ur grandfather is fine now
Well that's a damn shame Canada, if you don't learn you will repeat this tragedy!!!🙏😪
19:10 🤣🤣🤣
i was under the impression that train crews worked 10-12 hours and then had the same amount off, like air crews and truckers??
@@johnjablonski553 funny how that's what is disseminated to the public, but when it comes to man hours and such, its usually the same overworked underpaid, and lackadaisical maintenance, cost cuts etc....in every industry...ooops now we have a tragedy or worse...repeat!!!🙏🤔
CN Rail Line is to blame for this. Allowing their overworked, and literally sick and ill employees to work on 3 hours of sleep, back to back shifts. Obviously they weren’t physically or mentally coherent to handle an 25 million pound train traveling at dangerous speeds. What a senseless tragedy due to a greedy company putting profit over safety.
That’s capitalism at its finest, max profit before people
Profits before people is how we got to a global pandemic and climate change all at once. Would it surprise you if you know the "powers that be" have a no-pollution energy source they won't release to the public? Cuts into Profits!
I agree with you, Having a friend that work for the direct competitor of the Canadian National , the Canadian Pacific Railway. The were failure at an epic level, where was the trainmaster? Like the CP the CN also use trainmasters to ensure trains move on time and crews are rested & fit for duty. Those men were not fit for duty! That crew had no business being that train that day. This business of re-crewing trains on the fly was a very bad Idea, it didn't allow for a proper pass down of the trains' contents. I think that CN got off light, they should have been charged criminally for those deaths due to "Railroader Culture". There is no statue of limitation on murder, yes that is what is was period some call it greed but truth of it is. Those corporate officers knew what they were doing when they allow the practice "Railroader Culture". I.E. Saving the company money by unsafe practices crew chance on the fly as they called it. all incidents that happened in both Canada and The US were avoidable and preventable. The business should have suffer heavier sanctions in short of or including bankruptcy. But the mentality that they can weather a lawsuit or two! It cheaper to pay the lawsuit than operating railroad safely, Transport Canada, US NTSB, and US STB need to hit these business where it hurt like the arrest of the Board Director and Corporate Officers on criminal charges. Maybe the railroad will tell the mid and low level managers that General Order will be operate safely or they will be hand to government along with themselve if another fatality happen on their watch due negligence or common practice activities.
@@andreamarshall911 there are a multitude of energy efficient patents, they are bought up and suppressed, some companies pay a lot of money to create energy efficient ideas, just so they can patent and hold them
@@andreamarshall911 Nothing about climate change or the pandemic had anything to do with this horrific tragedy. This was all about corporate greed. Don't try and politicize something when it has NOTHING to do with politics.
I was a conductor for Canadian Pacific railway and one of the hardest things to do was stay awake. I brought a bottle of bright red nail polish to work with me and anyone that fell asleep on my train got their nails painted, they couldn't complain to management because they would have to admit they fell asleep. Having to stay in a bunkhouse with 30 men and your nails painted red, they knew if they were on my train STAY AWAKE! Lol
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That's a fantastic idea. When I eventually get my card my plan was to carry a squirt gun.
Harmless, fun, and still enforces safety very well. That's an absolute genius move
I love it XD
that would suck for me cause I intentionally paint my nails and right now they are red lmao
Poor Smitty. Not only did he lose his friends, but I bet he felt terrible that they, along with several innocent passengers, died on his watch. I'd be wracked with survivors' guilt for decades if I were in his shoes.
If I was a trainie for candin national railroad and seeing the accident I would comfort conductor Smith and say hey it's ok I am with you that what I would say
He was asleep just like Hudson and Edwards
@@espnluver7525 At least those two went peacefully...
@@TheTrainChasingPoet1999 thats only what we know.
Well according to the report many other conductors would’ve acted the exact same way as he did
National Geographics removed these episodes while amid enjoying them and we were left stuck, thanks WONDER for bringing them back... enjoyment from Zimbabwe
Well said.. Thanks Wonder
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@@t60njw love dat
So true
Greetings to Zimbabwe. You are so right.
Omg! Zimbabwe is my favourite country to visit.
Jamie Hate is the definition of a hero. An ordinary man who survived almost certain death... then shook off his fear and went back into a very dangerous situation multiple times to try and help others. Absolute hero. EDIT: Got a comment that is saying Jamie's last name is spelled Heyd. I'm not sure if that's right or not but I wasn't sure his name was "Hate" either so. Just wanted to add that here.
The irony of his deeds and his last name makes me smile. :)
Half-Blind without his glasses, has a last name that typifies the opposite of what he did, just a badass.
19:10 🤣🤣🤣
A true hero, through and through. Salutations from America.
@@lunaequinox7333 f--- you luna
CN quite literally worked their employees to *death.*
Apparently it’s still not much better for current day employees, unbelievably.
insurance payouts and repair costs are smaller than the amount saved by unsafe practices.
Of course because they could just blame the workers
@@Krystalmyth on a lighter note, your username is fabulous!
And I don't think it's getting any better because of precision scheduled railroading which has nothing to do with precision or scheduling. Just moving freight cars and giving investors more money. (Thanks Hunter Harrison)
he avoid signal
All 3 men were asleep. Each one simply assumed the other was awake. They had probably done this for years.
If they had done this the way you describe it there had been a high number of similar train crashes because more trains had ignored the stopping signs on the track. What they had done for years was taking turns in sleeping. There was a Gentlemans´ Agreement that it is OK for one member of the crew to sleep a certain time then he was woken up and it was another´s person´s turn. The tragedy could only happen because the awake person also fell asleep.
@@LordOfTheBored Thats literally what he said lol
Correction: 2 of them were. It's very likely the driver died in his seat at some point in the journey
I always find these disaster clips fascinating. Seeing how people react during a crisis is both interesting and inspiring. Alongside that, seeing how small mistakes or mechanical problems can cause a domino effect of disaster.
Couldn’t agree more about that domino effect! On a much smaller scale: I got a new van, & was driving 1 of my kids, about 65 mph on highway, when a mechanical failure led to a huge catastrophe. Had to fight for months, even with Dashcam footage of the “crash”, to prove I wasn’t at fault. My gas filler neck (the place u put ur gas nozzle into, when filling up) detached, falling into the wheel well under it, getting caught, shattering the wheel well, which punctured my new tire, & the shrapnel severed my fuel line, while the van temporarily went airborne. After landing, I was able to safely get onto the tiny shoulder strip, thankfully, but barely avoided a major collision with a semi, bc I f it, & only avoided tumbling down steep hill, by inches. Entire bottom of car & rear, were gutted & destroyed- car parts (including my gas tank itself, which I’d just filled, before hopping on highway), lay scattered all over the highway, where vehicle after vehicle had to attempt to dodge it all.
That in itself was awful, but the repercussions were far worse, & far reaching, over the next 2 years- all bc some lazy asshat, didn’t properly secure a part, & the last workers overlooked it, so it passed inspection 😒 Wish more people would comprehend just how many countless others, their actions impact, directly or indirectly...
Yes! Almost all accidents are the domino effect. We seem to think they happen because of one seismic, tragic, and disastrous thing. They're almost always a series of small things that add up to the seismic thing. Remove any one of them and the tragedy doesn't happen. The Titanic is another example of this. Had it slowed down that night, the disaster probably wouldn't have happened. Had they had enough binoculars, the disaster might not have happened. Had the Californian heeded the rockets the crew on duty clearly saw, the disaster would have still happened but many lives that were lost would have been saved.
@@DD-oi3vh, holy cow!
There was a Hmong man here in Minnesota who spent time in prison because he was blamed for an accident that turned out to be a manufacturer fault with Toyota. (You may remember their big recall case some years ago.). When the cases of other failures finally got put on Toyota, he was exonerated, but not until he’d spent a few years locked up. I don’t remember if Toyota had to pay up for causing his false imprisonment or not.
The domino effect, and the beginning event of most of these tragedies is mostly due to companies trying to cut time/costs, and the pressure that puts on the workers.
:(
19:13 that's the most hardcore escape method I've ever seen. I know the royal marines are tough but damn!
ikr, maybe that's when adrenaline and survival instinct kicked in
Year's ago, when I was a young U.S.Marine I met some Royals. Respect was mutual, then found out how much they could drink. OOORAH
This accident landed Canadian National in extremely hot water. After the accident, CN was found at fault for an unsafe working environment, and they were fined millions of dollars. This accident not only had consequences for Canadian National but also for the other railroads in North America at the time.
Yeah if they had shard some money with the workers / hired a few more they would of been better off.
White collar bastards just slaving others for more caviar.
@@marcleblanc3602 That isn't even remotely the case. Back in the 1980s, trains were much more frequent, and there were more people who worked for the railroad. Trains don't have regular schedules, and when they reach the crew base, a crew needs to be on duty. That is not the fault of White Collar Bastards, that is the fault of just how the railroad operates. In 2021, that isn't the case anymore.
@@BuckeyeNationRailroader o i hate when it is not remotely the case :( More frequent and more more money$$$ Not falt of the Administration......... okay.... just how TRAINS operated: got it! Well I admit I dont know much about TRAIN psychology :( Nasty bunch they were.
A Crown corporation from its inception in 1918 until its privatization in 1995. Some of the most scathing criticism came from the railway industry itself- (other Train haters?)
CN reported a profit in 11 of the 15 years from 1978 to 1992, paying CA$371 million in cash dividends (profit) to the Government of Canada in this time.
@@marcleblanc3602 Ok, then can you give me an example of how you think a railroad works...
@@BuckeyeNationRailroader ? I would of thought the Bosses decided how, Somebody was responsable for making the teams work 7 days a week at all hours withour 8 sleeping hours like demanded for truch drivers. Dont see how the TRAINS decided who went out.
I worked 33 years as railway operator. I cannot accept that the lives of so many rely on one man error only. The screaming were really painful to hear. As I worked in shifts more than 25 years I know that sleeping time requires a minimum of five hours. I know also that a red light cannot stop a train but only the attention of the driver. Having a schedule of crossing trains on a single track more precautions measures should have been taken.
When the greed and the stupidity of some turn others to victims and heroes.
Yeah the dispatcher neglected to tell the CN crew that that would be meeting the VIA train
@@espnluver7525 this is a current issue we have still..
I remember reading in one of the national railfan magazines after the inquest a quote from a trainman who testified about work conditions. ‘The railroad can tell shippers within one hour of when their shipment will arrive but they can’t tell me within six hours of when I will go to work.’
It's still like that today. They keep moving more and more freight with fewer and fewer people. And making fortunes doing it.
forever
Why would they let their crew get into work with only a few hours of sleep? They're carrying dangerous goods in fast phase while they're snoozing. CN Rail didn't care about the welfare of their employees.
The employees could have spoke up. They're not robots.
@@themobseat uh no. If they did, they'd be FIRED.
@@themaskedtalker2171 Oh well, plenty of jobs to be found, and they could have sued anyway. It either isn't legal or shouldn't be legal to force train conductors to work without reasonable (i.e. 8-10 hours) time between routes to get a proper night's rest.
@@Bobspineable that's somthing workers can't afford since it would be difficult to find a job.
they would say: BuT iTs ChEaPeR. but they are also a multi billion dollar company which can afford more than enough if the workers ever fell asleep for 13 hours
I love the final words of this piece, "You can recover from it. There is a tomorrow."
There isnt a tomorrow for everybody.
This was for the survivors of tragedy. Hang in there, tomorrow needs you❤
11:16 is the best part of this episode “do you have experience with trains?” “ yes I blew up 37 wiry my airplane”
This narrator does the air plane crashes too. Hes got a great voice.
Jonathan Aris.
😜
Jonathan Aris
What is the show's name if it's not a plane crash but a train crash like this? Because this is "Head On Collision" in Mayday. Fire Fight (Air Canada 797) is also in Mayday. But AC797 is in Air Crash Investigation. So what is this version of the show called?
Don’t forget about disasters at sea
I think everyone was asleep. It was probably normal for one or two workers to sleep. They depended on the other ones to wake you up when necessary. They were used to that and it was normal for them. The accident happend because the one remaining person fell asleep or had a medical problem.
I absolutely agree, I think it was as simple as everyone just fell asleep. Do trains still work this way? Can they be remotely stopped?
@@christobobbo5575 it is sad that bad things always have to happen first before there is somethign done about it.
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@Matthew Feldvari it was downhill though? i think they all were either sleeping. or one was sleeping and the driver either was incapacitated or sleeping as well.
@Kabuki Kitsune but i think as the commentary said, it is not so much the shift, but how they are done. one day morning, next day night, than maybe in-between. constantly - jet lag - never really relaxed and refreshed after a good nights sleep.
being one who has little sleep, often you drift into an illusive state where youre thinking you are talking too someone or doing something, i often merely drift off thinking i am even back in my out on the east coast, sometimes im half drifted talking too people that arent even there but it sincerely feels like it, just a possibility.
Glad to know I'm not the only one that experiences this
Things haven't changed much today; an acquaintance of mine is the wife of a bus driver, recently retired now, just a month ago. However, his rota's were criminally insane. He lived 12 miles from the depot, roughly a half to three quarters of an hour to drive in, and the same to drive home, after a 12 hour shift driving the bus, most days with only two half hour breaks in between. If traffic was heavy, those breaks could often be just 20 mins or even shorter. When he got home he would usually only have just time to eat his dinner before having to go to bed before his next duty started the next day. It's all about the dollars. CN were, in my personal opinion, more guilty than the crew. They (the crew) were exhausted, with little sleep, and one of them had the start of Flu, it was a disaster waiting to happen. Nothing changes.
They changed for the passanger train industry.
Regulations for these kind of things are written in blood
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30-45 minutes to drive 12 miles to work? That's only 18-24 mph. Is he riding an electric scooter?
@@AnotherWittyUsername.if it’s a frequently congested route, it totally could take that long.
That poor man with so much survivors guilt..just devastated that he could not help more people.
Shame that there weren't more episodes like these made by Mayday. I think it would have been interesting to see a episode like this made on something like the Frankfurt junction train crash.
Yeh I’m surprised mayday did stuff outside of air crashes, I didn’t know this until now
There is one more that i know of at least :) ruclips.net/video/0NS84qoYV_Y/видео.html&ab_channel=Wonder
@@theadorebagwell7187 They did a few, rolled into a spinoff called Crash Scene Investigation
I think there's a LOT more content from air crash events to fill an episode - from the lead-up, to all range of problems, actions and reactions from crew/passengers during the flight, then the crash (or risky landing etc.), then aftermath and investigation. As opposed to trains, where the episode is just intro, some on train lead-up, then trains crash suddenly, then having to fill the rest of the episode with rescue and investigation. They do pretty well coming up with 50 minutes of material to fill these train episodes.
@@aboriginalrocks You are definitely telling the truth. So many things like this happen in so many countries. These should be called out more often.
"i just wanted to go home."
sleep deprived and working irregular schedules on such long drives in winter, this hits different.
forever
So far, after the crash all the locomotives from both trains were completely destroyed. But VIA Rail 6300 suffered the least damage (since it was in the middle of the train) and was repaired from a new cab from KCS 4062 & continued to operate as of 2012. R.I.P to those that passed away in the crash.
Not all of them if 6300 was repaired
@@florjanbrudar692 6300 was pretty much a write off, it required a new cab and front assembly.
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Olloooooo
@@davidbowman9972 did you have a stroke?
Railroad engineers and crew have the most awful and unpredictable work schedules. It’s a wonder more fatigue related accidents don’t happen.
I don't understand why they can't change the schedules around to allow a better lifestyle for crews. Implementing it would likely cause delays and cost time/money. But in the long run, you would have higher employee morale. So what is holding the railroads back from changing this?
I know some passenger rail employees and the biggest issue is delays on the line causing ripple down effects. A simple train bumps a car, and you got a 2-4 hour delay with police, paperwork, is the crew okay to proceed. That then delays other trains and what was an on-time trip, is now a mess. Throw in temporary speed restrictions for maintenance and it is a mess.
It is a job that if you can handle the long hours and crazy schedules you can make a sizable living off it but, it is not for everyone. There are strict rules for on/off duty hours for crews and max hours you can work before a mandatory rest period. I know those who stuck it out, gained seniority, and got good schedules, and some who decided it was not for them. I got a lot of respect for those who do it as a carreer. 😎👍
@@GearheadExplorer85 you Wana why the railroads don't implemented better schedules it's real real real simple.the money.
@@GearheadExplorer85 It's all about the bottom line. Rail executives make multi-million dollar salaries by making their shareholders happy, not the workers. It's slave owner mentality
I think we can all agree that CN Rail was mainly responsible for the crash. The stuff the Hudson, Edwards, and Smitty did were rather minor compared to the grueling lack of sleep the three went through.
R.I.P Jack Hudson, Mark Edwards, the people who died in the crash, and others who passed since this case.
What I don't understand is why the train didn't derail when it came out of the siding. The track should have been lined for the other train. The passenger train would have seen the mess and stopped in time.
@@keonisan Back then Points we're not designed to force a train off the track if it ran through.
As someone who has researched and studied train disasters for years as a hobby, I can say with confidence that there is no mystery here (other than the reason why the engineer lost consciousness). It is obvious to me that the engineer and his brakeman were both unconscious well before they exited the siding, and Smith was AT LEAST half-asleep and unable to think clearly, but that was merely the underlying cause of this disaster.
The TRUE cause of this wreck, just as it was in countless wrecks that have come before and will, without question, continue to occur around the world, is the systematic failure on the part of the railway company itself. That is, the failure to enforce its own rules, the failure to take the health and rights of its own employees into account, and ultimately, its failure to learn from the multitude of disasters that preceded this one.
the documentary seems to glide over the insufficient rest issue... that was THE single cause of all this... all three of crew members were sound asleep... so changing out crews on the fly is a rule violation but rousting crewmen to go back to work after 3 to 5 hours rest is okay???... CN is a p.o.s company
as a murse, it really sounds like he had a critical health issue, heart attack, stroke, very low sugar all combined with tiredness etc could just made him pass out or simply die before the crash
With all the wrecks in truck driving because of driver fatigue, distractions and complacency. Companies still cut corners and allow dangerous behavior from dispatchers and drivers. They still push drivers and demand drivers continue working and driving long after their hours run out. They demand drivers use personal conveyance and driving to safe haven to get loads delivered ontime and to find parking after leaving a customer. I have fought with many dispatchers about this. I refuse to run out of hours at a customer if I can not park there and get an undisturbed ten hour break.
Yeah competition is stiff and the last guy Driver pays for it. One Company went down because too many accidents, lousy paid is not good for anyone, lucky they dont kill more folks.
This has only gotten worse as more and more places are either overcrowded or won't allow trucks to sleep there. Everyone wants their store shelves stocked no one wants the trucks on the road to move the cargo.
Yeah I heard Amazon overworks their people also I mean I'm not saying that they're going to crash or anyting the point is these companies are over working these people
Who else is here not just because of the show itself but also the voice of the narrator 🔥
Jonathan Aris🙂
My favorite voice to fall asleep to
Yassss!!!
@Blake Panlilio exactly!
That’s a firm 10-4 good buddy
Even 30 years later, there was a similar accident in Germany: in January 2011, there was a head - on collision on a single - track line at Hordorf, a small town near Magdeburg. A freight train carrying limestone had slammed into a commuter train, 10 were killed and 23 injured. Considered that track - mounted sensors, dubbed "Inductive Train Safety"(in German "Induktive Zugsicherheit (INDUSI"), had already been standard at the time of the accident, there must have been some serious failure somewhere!
Wow that had been a terrible accident do you have what the engines were on both trains
To this day. The cause of the engineer for failing to stop the freight train is unknown. Possibly by Heart attack, stroke, falling asleep or incapacitated
Yes, that's right. So, in the end, the crew of the CN were blamed for the crash. But, Canadian National themselves came under heavy fire too because they knew that Hudson was at risk of a heart attack or stroke, but they didn't lay him off.
After that the engines & many of the cars were either completely destroyed or damaged beyond repair. But, VIA Rail 6300 was actually rebuilt with a new cab from KCS 4062 & continued to operate even to this day as of 2012.
@@haaseshouseoscience6377, yeah. I knew that. Also, SD40s #5062 and #5104 have Positive Train Control (PTC). That could've prevented the disaster, but GP38-2W #5586 didn't have that system because it had no comfort cab.
@@nathanielcruz6675 what are u talking about
@@kirilmihaylov1934, I meant was is that CN didn't inspect Hudson's medical records. That's why he either had a heart attack, a stroke, or a diabetic attack leading up to the collision. Now do you understand?
This train crash had significance for me, because my friend's cousin was one of the fatalities. I remember the day very well.
So tragic and sad. RIP Stacy.
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There is technology, even back then, that in the event a train runs a red light, a bar on the tracks would trigger emergency brakes instantly. Why aren't these used?
Perhaps they weren't installed on these tracks, who knows.
These technologies are not used on North-American Railways for numerous technical and operational reasons. A simple solution would have been to use "Catch Points" (see my earlier post above).
This is fascinating to watch. My Dad told me all about this when I was a kid. I grew up in Jasper and my Dad worked for CN during this time. He worked mostly in the yard and on derailments. He wasn't part of this incident, but knew and worked with most of the crews involved (both incident and clean up) and many of the passengers.
How long did the clean up take?
What a sad horror show. I knew some of them since I started in Jasper. This was a big wake-up call for both Canadian and American railroads. Both the crews were well known in the small town of Jasper and had family and friends there.
Its a documentary not a horror show
@@Cabvk I think it was just a figure of speech buddy
@@Cabvk 1. Real life is often more horror than a horror film, 2. It's a figure of speech.
RIP to all the fine folks, and condolences to the families, like air crashes, just a compounding list of little errors caused this, stop just one and it doesn't happen. Really feel bad for both conductors. SOOO glad the combat veteran was there, he saved so many lives. And thanks wonder, for posting this, I don't recall it ever airing here in the US and I don't miss my MayDay programs, the only one I recall seeing was a terrible 240p version about 15 years ago here on YT.
There were better versions out there on RUclips before this vid was uploaded. For some reason the train crash episodes are not immediately taken down for copyright reasons which happens when somebody uploads a full plane crash episode od Mayday.
The freight train operators and workers were probably asleep. Three hours of sleep, some sick? I could honestly not blame them for this… CN should be to blame for overworking their employees like this. RIP to all who died. Truly a tragedy.
Yeah CN is at fault
My dad was supposed to be in the second car, but had to wait so long for the train that his alcoholism had him pass out and miss the train haha, I wouldn’t have been born if he didn’t get so drunk
You really have to do more Train Crash episodes such as this one, this is incredibly intriguing and a amazing show to watch
In the Violet Town head-on collision 1969 In Victoria, the Engineer had died and the brakeman pressed the vigilance button and did not realize the engineer was dead, the conductor saw the slow signal but could not stop the train. Same situation passenger train and freight train head-on collision - the freight train engineer did everything he could to slow and stop but it was too late.
The easiest answer on the Railroad is "they were asleep". You spend your working life with NO sleep schedule, working ON CALL continuously every single day with no commensurate time off, you're working any and all hours of the day and night...you're gonna be tired. And even the best nod off. The worst, don't even know where they are. There's a reason railroaders were coked out of their minds back before the drug/alcohol policy went in: they were TIRED!
Did anyone else get goosebumps when you saw the Freighter slamming back onto the mainline with the Narrator saying it?
R.I.P Jack Hudson, Mark Edwards, and to the passengers and crew who died in that fatal crash
R.I.P To everyone that die on the train, you will be remebered.
What an extraordinary man, risking his life to save others with no fear of death. That is a strength only few posses.
Really beautifully done. I appreciate when tragic stories such as these are told with such integrity 🙏
its amazing how you guys are able to get actors who almost resemble the real people in these documentaries
Operating a train seemed like a fun job when I was a kid. Turns out it is a difficult job with a high burnout rate.
I always feel bad for the CN brakeman but I really wonder at what point would he have considered stopping the train? Calling signals over and over again and no response would freak me out. As long as there are no company policy’s prohibiting it, if the head end stopped talking to me and we were gaining speed through an approach limited I’d be on that E brake no question.
He probably wasnt telling the truth. He probably also fell asleep from the exhaustion of CN's grueling work schedule and didnt want to incriminate himself
This is made up. If he really had noticed the conductor ignoring the signals (before the red signal the yellow signal indicating to slow down has already been ignored) it was his duty to stop the train. Imagine you are in a car and the traffic lights are red but instead of braking and stopping you continue to approach the crossing with high speed. This is the same situation. If he really was awake and ignored the red lights (e.g. not showing the proper reaction by braking) he would have been responsible for the accident to a certain extent.
EXACTLY !
It is also possible he didn't want to get fired for pulling the cord if the chance that his crew were actually in good health
@@bentheg9793 That is always a possibility . Is there a Railroad man on here that knows if the Rule book covers this situation. There must be because I don't think this is the first time the same situation has occurred in the past.
I think Hudson did have a heart attack and he might have been dead before the crash. I believe this because of the fact that he didn’t respond to Smith when he tried to call him. And the engineer was likely asleep when he did. I don’t blame Hudson or the Breakman. I blame mostly on the train company for allowing these unhealthy procedures at the time. Lack of sleep can trigger an heart attack or stroke if that person has a history of one. I know this as a diabetic and done my research of my own. As lack of sleep can put stress on your heart as it tries to pump blood to your body and brain. 🙏🏻✝️
When I worked as a security guard a couple years ago, I was doing night shifts all the time and working 60 hr weeks. At the same time, my landlords were keeping me up during the day when I was trying to sleep. One day I fell down unconscious during a training class and ended up in the hospital. I am someone in good shape too. So I can easily see someone like Jack with a bunch of health problems dying at the wheel. Your probably right that he likely died while the others were sleeping
@@GearheadExplorer85 Smith may not have been truly asleep rather in a daze or stupor.
Where shall you spend eternity, in heaven or hell?
@@peroddvarfinsdahl2986 as dust
Didn't in court state that there were no records stating that there was no evidence of calls from the caboose to the engine ?
Man. That guy used his head as a battering ram. He is AMAZING! My grandfather's father told him once that the Northern Lights were making the telegraph go crazy. He was a telegraph operator. I wish I had thought to ask my grandfather more about his father and mother.
That guy is lying about busting that window with his head. Cracked or not, that glass is incredibly thick. He was stupid for saying he busted it out with his head.
@@CS-uc2ohit probably was already weakened by the crash.
What I find fascinating about this is the vast difference in safety culture between train and airline operations at least back then.
If I’m not mistaken even in the 80s airlines were really strict when it came to health and sleep regulations as well as duty time limitations. Tenerife comes to mind as an example where the duty limits are a major factor and that happened in 1975
It’s wild to me that none of those men would have been behind the control of a plane on three hours’ sleep but it was normal for them to be controlling a train on three hours’ sleep. Also pretty wild that the engineer would likely have been medically disqualified from being a pilot but was still allowed to operate a train.
Glad that’s all changed now or at least has gotten better relatively
The Titanic disaster changed the rules for the world's ocean going ships. The airline industry also has international standards for the air transportation industry. It's easy for the U.S. to force other countries to comply because airline traffic to and from the U.S. is in high demand in every country that operates airlines. If they violate our rules their airlines are banned from the U.S. and Europe does the same along with most other countries. It also helps that the majority of jetliners are manufactured in the U.S. We also send investigators and equipment to any country that has an airline disaster if they allow us to do so and so do the aircraft's manufacturers.
@@danielebrparish4271 mmhm
Absolutely horrific, to say the least. Thank you for sharing.
My grandfather who lived in Jasper at the time knew the CN crew Jack Hudson, Mark Edwards, Wayne Smith, and the VIA rail engineers in the front engine, Mike Peleshaty and Emil Miller from town bars.
My uncle works for CN as a conductor and by law has to have a minimum rest period between the time he gets off the train, to the time when he gets on the train again, and is also tested quite frequently for traces of drugs and alcohol.
Wayne Smith later became a floor layer before he was rehired by CN at some point.
There was a book I read called Canadian Disasters which covered many catastrophic events in Canadian history including the Hinton Train crash and the bodies of the two engineers at the front of the VIA rail train were found with their eyes wide open.
They could have dosed off during the signals and woke up after passing them. (Just my guess though)
I used to have that book and I didn't see anything on Hinton in there.
Yeah probably because they were jolted awake!
@@zariballard I disagree as those engineers in the front of the VIA train suddenly saw another train coming right at them on the same track going at 100km/h. Even if the engineers applied the brakes and managed to stop, that wouldn't have affected anything as the crew in the lead engine on the other train are most likely incapacitated -- the die is cast.
The problem with a dead man switch is that it actually contributes to fatigue. If they were to pass some law saying it is now illegal to use cruise control in a car, you could pretty much guaranty most people will break that law at some point. There are more sensible ways to use passive biometrics to detect if someone falls asleep or loses consciousness.
Deadman switches are all but gone in Canada, largely in part to this incident.
Cars didn't always have cruise control, & people still got sleepy behind the wheel. Cruise control/dead man switch isn't the problem...lack of sleep is (in part...).
@@oilersridersbluejays all our cn engines still have deadman pedals
Train Mayday episodes usually don’t hit me that deep (compared to plane crashes) but wow!! This one definitely hit me with the feels! 😭
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Being an Canadian myself I can see this being a Terrifying Experience..... but I also wanna add on that our Country we learn from our Mistakes so a Freight Train Collision will NEVER happen like this again! and I was right! They Added Alarms sounds to the Train and if no one turns that off? The Train Automatically Stops itself!
My uncle worked for CN for nearly forty years. He retired around twenty years ago. He worked in the same region and would have known many of these guys.
Have you ever asked him how conditions were as a train engineer? Sounds like these guys were not being scheduled properly, if they only had 3 hours between runs to sleep.
@@bernlin2000 I sent the video to his sister(my aunt) the day I watched it, but not sure if she showed it to him. She takes care of him and he isn't physically or mentally 100 percent anymore.
@@bernlin2000 I know for sure he would have known many of them because that is the route he worked often. In and around Calgary and Edmonton also.
Great content, as usual. And I learned a new term "soporific" - tending to induce drowsiness or sleep.
The fact one guy went back in the train to his wife and died with her is an act of love. They died together, the dude wouldn’t let his wife die alone. So sad 😞
There have been times I've been idiotic enough to have 3 or less hours of sleep and go to work the next day. I work in an office; it steadily gets harder to concentrate as the day goes on due to sleep deprivation.
Imagine operating heavy machinery for long stretches of time under usually boring conditions... That level of exhaustion is going to force someone to be inattentive and/or fall asleep. And while the report didn't necessarily spell it out; it was near clear that everyone was dozing/sleeping in the freight train.
When I hear "three thousand.....we are in an emergency" Thursdays 🇰🇪✌🏿
"We're not getting any oxygen up here"
@@alexanderboulton2123 "We have the terrain alarm"
@@aerofiles5044 oh come on this is not aircrash investigation
@@kirilmihaylov1934 it is,they made three spin off episodes in season 3
@@kirilmihaylov1934 It's the same show, but as the person above said, the Cajon Pass Runaway, Hinton Head-on, and the sinking of the MS Express Samina are all spin-offs.
So sad these docu series arent made anymore. I loved to watch them back in the day. Good old times.
I first saw this on Dailymotion, now it's finally on RUclips
Also, at 14:30 it should be noted that the speed of the CN made the points change, so the CN forced it's way towards the Via Rail
One more thing: Only one person died in that one crushed coach
Wouldn't a modern day interlocking system have prevented that resulting in a derail?
I can't understand how a switch would ever give way like that unless a "spring switch".
@@mykalhenry It's what I heard about the points
I saw this on Daily Motion at first too!
RIP TO every one very sorry for your lost ones
also my heart really goes out to the man who went back to save his wife and died with her
The aerial shot at 28:41 is just jaw-dropping in it's scope....absolute chaos...
What about 16:05?
@@florjanbrudar692 thats just an animation, not what actually happened
I BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOREVER THANK YOU
Man, doing this day after day as a train conductor, I am not sure I could ever do something like this. Travelling all across Canada by train. It will drive me crazy.
You mean 'It would drive me crazy' !
Train engine it’s a engineer not a conductor jack was the engineer smith was the conductor very different jobs
Smith's lying, is my guess. He was asleep. All of them were. He was woken up by the crash and realized he could face charges. The fault lies in the company work scheduling that didn't allow the employees to rest, but I think Smith lied about his actions. He didn't make the calls, he didn't see the red signals either, obviously, if he's asleep.
I mean he can't see the signals either from the back
even if he stopped the train the collision would still not be avoided as the Via rail train would still keep going not knowing that the CN train has stopped on their tracks
Rip to the 23 passengers who lost their lives 😔🤧🥺🙏🏽
God bless the brave people who could still help. I know some of those sounds. When I was in grammar school my school bus was hit by a train. Not the trains fault. No one died. Thank God no one died.
My highschool had a school bus get hit by a train (which is why busses have to stop before crossing train tracks in the us) I think 23 people died. They had a little memorial about the accident in the counseling office. It happened in the 1930's I believe and is still the worst crossing accident in us history
@@skimaskedabidid that happen in SLC?????
Smith fell asleep. It would be more understandable if he just admitted to that, than to say he was awake, could have stopped it but instead ignored all the red flags and decided to depend on 2 unresponsive people instead of doing something he knew he was supposed to do in that situation.
@Sharan Shibu Uhm, I don't think so,... concerning the signals at least. The caboose is at the very end of the train. As soon as the first locomotive passes over the sensor, the lights turn red, so regardless if it was a green signal, or a red signal, Smith would've still seen a red signal.
Wilsonsmanz. Glad you know smith fell asleep. You must have been there.
@@barbaradyson6951 If Smith was awake when he got no response from the head end he should have pulled the emergency and stopped the train and called the Dispatcher informing him of what happened.
@@davidrowe7304 right on!
@@davidrowe7304 DITTO
My grandma lived in Hinton for most of my childhood and told us to stay away from the tracks completely but never why. I didn't know that there was a major accident there but it makes sense why she was so weary taking the VIA to Jasper the very rare times we did
She was probably more wary than weary.
I had family living in the Hinton area when this happened. That was a tense day of waiting to find out they weren't even in town.
Definition of a hero: those who run toward the screams to help the injured
Great episode, thanks for uploading!
18 km is 11 miles. How does it take 45 minutes to travel 11 miles? Even giving the firemen/EMS 20 minutes to prepare.
Only 23 folks dead is nothing short of a miracle! Tragic is not near good enough to describe this event.
I took this journey from South Western Ontario to Prince George BC. It really was spectacular between Edmonton-Jasper-Prince George. My phone was stolen, along with my camera so I lost all the pictures I took. But I haven't seen any pictures depicting what I saw on this track. It was incredible! We stopped to let trains pass a few times.
God bless the rescue responders and the caboose man really need the blessings. This hit me hardest in any of the documentaries I've watched with disaster 😪
Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families over 35 years later.
Glad you are doing this one! My friend was first on scene!
Was he one of the first police responders?
Thank you for helping those in need ❤
RIP to everyone who died.
This is what managers do to pass a judgement on a process which requires a practical work experience...not just manuals..
At the time this happened I was an engineer working out of Prince George, BC. Everyone was in total shock at the loss of life. I went out and got some life insurance.
This is the best channel on RUclips. Y'all never miss 🔥
To think years ago a bunch of youtubers Would upload episodes of May day and air crash investigation only to be taken down. And now an official channel finally uploads them online.
My brother worked for CN back in the 80s, and he often worked shifts with only hours of sleep in between. I remember how there were all types of violations by the company back in the day, then if they were discovered, the employees were the scapegoats!
That's why there is AWS in UK or PZB in Germany. It stops and warns the engineers when there is a signal standing on Yellow, like if you continue accelerating it will stop the train without compromise. And so the Engineer doesn't falls asleep the engineer has to acknowledge the alarm.
thanks wonder for letting us view this episode
I'm addicted watching here at WONDER,.. greetings from Philippines 🤗🥰❤
Finally a full episode of this thing
The full version is also on Dailymotion, apart from the 15 minute version
I salty that there was no more train episodes lol, now im wrong