Recommend that you watch all 3 hours of this interview/ conversation. Amazing long form chat. Maybe the most epic/ mind blowing 3 hour exchange I have even seen/ listened to. Lex is humble and curious. Bach is uniquely intelligent and wise.
The ideas he has discussed have existed for millennia for ex self as a flow of feelings, perceptions, memory etc are essence of Buddhism(this notion itself comes from theory of pratityasamutpad or dependent origination) which logically leads to ksanikvad or theory of momentariness of existence and Hume's empiricism (though Hume rejects soul as he considers it to be same as ego while Buddhism rejects ego but accepts this flow itself as soul). Dissolving notion of self is ultimate of yoga called samadhi. His brilliance lies in first the depth of knowledge and then ability to take two disparate ideas and bind them together in a common thought which precisely what great thinkers often do. Thus, I agree it is unique, interesting and thought provoking.
@@prakharbharadwaj1636 Prakhar Bharadwaj Definitely! It's pretty cool to hear him synthesize the meditation/dissolution practices of Buddhism into "access to your own source code". So much boom in so few words.
The reason I believe in God because it make sense of this life. It give answer to very basic questions of our existence which every rational and logical person must ask. • Where was we before we were born and where do we will go after we die. Where are our great grandfather. It’s like we suddenly wake up on a train and we don’t know where Is this train coming form and where is this train going . I think it is only logical to ask this question . • Whats the point of working so hard and gather materialist things when everything is going to end and non of the fame,honor and wealth is going to be with us in the Grave. • What is the purpose of life , with what purpose we came here. Is there something greater in the life instead of following our wimps and desires. Or is it just a Game . • Why some people are given more benefits and ease than other . for example a homeless and a banker, a child born in America and a child born in Gaza , a person gifted with by birth Smartness and intelligence and a person who is given by birth life time disability. • Are the two category of people will end up in the same place after they die. • a man who spent his life doing good deeds, giving charity, taking care of his parents, working for his whole life to provide for his wife and children is equal to a Rapist, a murder, a Serial Killer etc. Because both of them will end up in the same place after death. • Atheism Suggest that one should follow his/her heart. But what if the heart is Corrupt and what if it is the heart of “Adobe Hitler” who burnt alive 2 million Jews. So where is the guidance. So where is the Accountability of ones action. I think it is only logical to ask this question instead of distracting ourselves with persecute of temporary happiness which never last long enough.
All the signs and sciences in this life and world seem to suggest something else. Challenge Can you Name a single creature that can: That can stand upright in honorable way like mankind. Or who have hands, through which who can use tools the way humans do , who use hands for eating and can pickup thing like us. Even apes use their hands for walking which are more like feet than hands. Or that have tough like humans that have innumerable sounds and can speak thousands of languages . Or who have intellect and intelligence like humans. Or who is not naked and wear honorable cloths and cover their private parts. Or have who have complex emotions and complex life like us. I think it is stupid to say that we have no meaning. This life is not a Game and we will be answerable for Our actions Allah Almighty said in the Quran: "we will show them our signs in the horizons and within their own self until it become clear to them that it is the truth". every single part of our body has a function and a purpose. how can it be that our whole body don't have any ultimate purpose and meanings . It does not require proof to believe in something to be true. for believing in something in some thing it only requires enough rational and logical evidence or reason. for example why do you believe that your mother is your actual biological mother. you never did DNA test. we have rational reasons to believe that she is like we have family testimony. Why do you believe that Indonesia exist when you have never been there , you might say that I have seen its pictures but again this is evidence or testimony not prove. Why do you believe history is true . I could be imaginary tails of ancients . Because we have people testimony and enough evidence to believe so. So why is it important to believe in God. consider a boy whose father was a soldier and had saved a lot of wealth for his son but when the boy was born he was told that his father had died on the battle field. The boy using his father wealth becomes a successful person. now he is told that his father is still alive and is in enemy territory. what do you think this boy will do if he is a human he will spent all his wealth and do all in his power to find his father. so when a person is told that there is a God and Who gave you everything your parents , your wealth ,your health ,your children , your wife etc . it is obligatory on him to do at least the amount of effort that this boy will do , and otherwise no one is more guilty than him. I believe It is not possible for a person who is sincerely looking for purpose of his or her life and if he sincerely ask for guidance that he don’t get guidance. I suggest you please do research and look into Islam , read Quran and read about life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Please listen this . It is the recitation and translation of a chapter of Quran. ruclips.net/video/ZHalJp_88bg/видео.html
"You are a machine that thinks it's you" you can turn it off! detachment is the key... less attention control Brilliant and so true to get to the source of who we really are
Listening to Lex's calm, steady voice and the precision of his questions, his allowing of his guests to produce fully formed answers is so soothing, so reassuring that it seems like the antidote to all the noise and nonsense in the world. There is no small talk, no role play, just informational conversation and calm, philosophical discussion. What a gift!
Amazing. Brilliant. Truly insightful. I urge you to listen to this 3 times. Thats only 30 minutes of your time. When you fully grasp what he is saying it will have a lasting positive impact on you.
I’ve listened to a few of his interviews now, and in the comments of one particular interview a commentator suggested turning the speech cadence to .75 which I did, and it helped quite a bit. It literally brought Joscha’s speech to a normal cadence. One question I have is what is meant by “getting to your source code”?
Hey Lex, I'm processing 10% of your podcasts but find it fascinating and deep. Thank you for bringing the stories of these incredible and beautiful people to us.
This guy is a trip; on top of being absolutely brilliant he seems to 'personify' spiritual enlightenment as well.. when I heard him say, "But you can turn off the self" I knew it was about to get interesting.. and his affect only seems to confirm what he says about detachment from self, he seems to have an experience and understanding of advaita that's elusive for many people..
@@christianchance5958 joscha once stated that idealism and materialism are two aspects of the same thing. he's pretty enlightened actually, but it's hard to talk about these things - however his genius enables him to be very concise and explain his model of the universe very beautifully.
The reason I believe in God because it make sense of this life. It give answer to very basic questions of our existence which every rational and logical person must ask. • Where was we before we were born and where do we will go after we die. Where are our great grandfather. It’s like we suddenly wake up on a train and we don’t know where Is this train coming form and where is this train going . I think it is only logical to ask this question . • Whats the point of working so hard and gather materialist things when everything is going to end and non of the fame,honor and wealth is going to be with us in the Grave. • What is the purpose of life , with what purpose we came here. Is there something greater in the life instead of following our wimps and desires. Or is it just a Game . • Why some people are given more benefits and ease than other . for example a homeless and a banker, a child born in America and a child born in Gaza , a person gifted with by birth Smartness and intelligence and a person who is given by birth life time disability. • Are the two category of people will end up in the same place after they die. • a man who spent his life doing good deeds, giving charity, taking care of his parents, working for his whole life to provide for his wife and children is equal to a Rapist, a murder, a Serial Killer etc. Because both of them will end up in the same place after death. • Atheism Suggest that one should follow his/her heart. But what if the heart is Corrupt and what if it is the heart of “Adobe Hitler” who burnt alive 2 million Jews. So where is the guidance. So where is the Accountability of ones action. I think it is only logical to ask this question instead of distracting ourselves with persecute of temporary happiness which never last long enough.
All the signs and sciences in this life and world seem to suggest something else. Challenge Can you Name a single creature that can: That can stand upright in honorable way like mankind. Or who have hands, through which who can use tools the way humans do , who use hands for eating and can pickup thing like us. Even apes use their hands for walking which are more like feet than hands. Or that have tough like humans that have innumerable sounds and can speak thousands of languages . Or who have intellect and intelligence like humans. Or who is not naked and wear honorable cloths and cover their private parts. Or have who have complex emotions and complex life like us. I think it is stupid to say that we have no meaning. This life is not a Game and we will be answerable for Our actions Allah Almighty said in the Quran: "we will show them our signs in the horizons and within their own self until it become clear to them that it is the truth". every single part of our body has a function and a purpose. how can it be that our whole body don't have any ultimate purpose and meanings . It does not require proof to believe in something to be true. for believing in something in some thing it only requires enough rational and logical evidence or reason. for example why do you believe that your mother is your actual biological mother. you never did DNA test. we have rational reasons to believe that she is like we have family testimony. Why do you believe that Indonesia exist when you have never been there , you might say that I have seen its pictures but again this is evidence or testimony not prove. Why do you believe history is true . I could be imaginary tails of ancients . Because we have people testimony and enough evidence to believe so. So why is it important to believe in God. consider a boy whose father was a soldier and had saved a lot of wealth for his son but when the boy was born he was told that his father had died on the battle field. The boy using his father wealth becomes a successful person. now he is told that his father is still alive and is in enemy territory. what do you think this boy will do if he is a human he will spent all his wealth and do all in his power to find his father. so when a person is told that there is a God and Who gave you everything your parents , your wealth ,your health ,your children , your wife etc . it is obligatory on him to do at least the amount of effort that this boy will do , and otherwise no one is more guilty than him. I believe It is not possible for a person who is sincerely looking for purpose of his or her life and if he sincerely ask for guidance that he don’t get guidance. I suggest you please do research and look into Islam , read Quran and read about life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Please listen this . It is the recitation and translation of a chapter of Quran. ruclips.net/video/ZHalJp_88bg/видео.html
@@cosmos0909 What makes standing upright honorat? kangaroos and lemurs stand upright. Try some mushrooms, acid, dmt, or even a sensory deprivation tank
Joscha: "The Fuzzy idea is the one of continuous existence" Lex: "How do you know that existence isn't continuous?" Joshca: "Because it isn't computable"
continuous existence is not computable … greatest line of the whole podcast … :) I have a feeling it is not a good idea to get access to our own source code … there is no take back button once we change something … entropy is a very powerful thing … and perhaps .. it is the best friend that we have in this world ..
I've had so many experiences in my life that distinctly pointed to the idea of identity being a boot up process of consciousness. When i was younger i experienced fainting at the exact moment i was waking up and i believe that it allowed some functions to overlap as i regained cognition. During this experience i could perceive my memories being "re-loaded" into almost infinite pathways that led to personal belief structures. Fight or flight sequences seem to be fairly dominant in terms of defining my personal limitations and some of that made me incredibly uncomfortable. It all happened so fast that it's hard to properly describe but i'll never forget feeling like i was a separate entity from the person i call "self"
That’s wicked. I once woke up to a dream of me hitting my head, over and over and over on repeat which felt like infinitely until ultimately I woke up and hit my head in the same manner I dreamt. No clue how to perceive it but I saw myself do something before I did.
This would be awesome. I can hear him now, we assume to know the nature of the cosmos based upon the minuscule amount of information we have collected in our head.
I'm unhappy with the universe I find myself in too. I mean, FFS!!! The universe takes 13.7 billion years of organising and cooking particles formed at the beginning of time to get to the point that I can exist and in that existence I not only find out that I have missed a bunch of time, but I find out that I am going to miss the rest. But then missing the rest is probably a good idea as it is going to take trillions of years for the whole universe to disperse, cool and break down to nothing to the point where there is no tangible matter or energy and then...... Meanwhile, for this briefest blip I find myself part of a species that goes at the speed of its lowest, majority denominator and most of my existence is spent maintaining my biological vessel purely because it requires a continuous source of electrons that have to be harvested from other biological entities that are doing the same, ultimately using the Sun as the source of energy. It's laborious, tedious and completely pointless. Oh, and it took me 50 years to truly understand all of this and I am probably at least two thirds of the way through my existence and definitely passed the bit where I have the capacity to make the most of it. I'm unhappy with the universe I find myself in!
you nailed it down to the point. i rarley comment on yt-vids. But as it is a delight to listen to Joscha Bach for his insights, it was a delight to read your comment. At the end of this stream of consciousness must be this realization: There is no higher meaning for our existence. The only purpose of our life is that which we give ourselves. So let's just maximize the output of our reward function. Be a f*ckin hedonist.
Great video ya'll! Appreciate the share. I personally believe there is a spirit to the machine body we drive and I believe it continues forward, more than a construct having worth reflecting the source code. That nothing is special itself is easy to say, but I believe rather that everything is special. Maybe the human story generates its own worth, and if that is the case I'm gonna generate as much worth as I possibly can for my family, friends and I. Regardless, I work forward with the chosen understanding that each moment matters as much as we make it matter. I am happy with my daily actions under this paradigm. On that note, joined you on the exercise. 3 miles and 100 rep cycles a day is what I'ma condition myself to. Keep up the good work.
Who ever didn't try to meditate like this. What ever you feel the strongest in you conciousness say that is that. Give it a lablel. Try doing that for 10 minutes but really do it. You will see how you are manufacturing your "self". It takes an experince to understand intellectual ponedring can't do it justice.
Nah at 6:05. Upload is copy that thinks it's you. Check (assuming pretty perfect copy is). It thinks it's you. But it is not you. You are not in that one! I think each individual does indeed have an identity and that's not an illusion. You can play with words but in the end you are still an individual agent, and you are the only one that's you no matter how many copies are made!
Lex needs to do some dmt or something and go through an ego death do really understand what Joscha is getting at. I get it but i would never have wrapped my head around it without going through that experience.
I tend to agree with Bach, however I have had experiences of interacting or receiving actions of atemporal entities (spirits) and I think he's missing that perspective, that maybe the individual is more real than the simulation. (To use his language). Whether you want to call God the AI or whatever floats your boat, we both agree that this reality is not supreme. And I think thinking about the "supernatural" as people who interact with us that aren't bound by linear time puts them in a more understandable setting.
Block out some stimulation in order to make other biological process work more precisely? Similar to how deaf people get better eyesight overtime? Because they no longer rely on the ears so the other senses can get a boost..? Complete speculation on my part but maybe this is what he meant.
I've always questioned my parents on what happens after we die. I've always got the same answer if you are good you'll go to heaven and if you are bad you'll go to hell. Someone who told me that I always came back "how do you know?". None of us know what happens when we die but we can all theorize. Until I see the bearded man in the sky, I will then believe in God but until then I'm still going to question everything.
The thing is that the the people who have claimed to be good have done the most horrific things in this world. Living a joyful life means that you are most likely to have a positive influence on the people around you and this world. That's my goal.
@@xSayPleasex Ehhh... The Golden Rule can be an approximation of empathy, most of the time, among neurotypical people. It presupposes that everyone has the same desires & preferences - which can fail spectacularly & cause unnecessary suffering. Still, I can appreciate the elegance, and prevalence across cultures. OTOH, the Ten Commandments are kind of garbage as a moral foundation. 3 are obvious (don't murder, steal/kidnap, tell lies in court); 3 are mostly God being narcissistic (monotheism, idolatry, name in vain); and 5 probably good-ish life advice most of the time (coveting others' possessions, adultery (but only involving married women...), sabbath, lying in general, respecting your parents).
The adaptive value is the search for the ultimate cause or for us the deepest level of causation results in ultimate or deepest power, which results in ultimate survivability for intelligent animals. However, it's also a fact that most humans need to be well-adjusted enough to not worry about progress. Invention and innovation only come from a few by design. The rest of the human organism has to focus all of its work on food and child-rearing, etc. Philosophy and science are only done by the few for the many. That's how humanity has evolved to function as a whole. Intellectually, oligarchy is simply the fact of life. Politically, there are more efficient systems.
Lex, you should really check into higher states of consciousness like Zen, Kensho, Satori, etc... Yes meditation can be a cloak over identity and this can lead to false-awakening/enlightenment but the real shit is when you realize the mind is the illusionist and your thoughts are all constructs of the illusionist , and the REAL you exists with or without the sense of ego that identified itself with Lex
The guy doesn't believe in the continuity of one's existence, but believes in brains, monkeys, meditation, etc. The cliché always applies: when someone ceases to believe in God, he starts to believe in anything. His speech seems like profound intelligence, but it's closer to insanity and stupidity. he doesn't figure out the episthemological consequences of some of his ideas, then he creates those word salad speeches. He chooses his ideas for how "funny" and creative they seem to him, and not if they are true.
I think there is a real probability there is a continuation of consciousness after physical death; if I am right Joscha is going to get one hell of a surprise. Lol!
@@Kurt0542 Yes the sleep issue is a good point which I have no answer to at this point. None the less in my opinion there is a lot of evidence that suggests there may be more to human consciousness than we commonly know or assume at this time; and quite a lot of evidence points to the possibility that consciousness survives physical death. But I dont know it as a fact; no more than materialists know what they think as a fact. Progress is being made, but the jury is still out in terms of real scientific knowledge about consciousness.
@@Kurt0542 Well if there is continuation we will all find out in due course; but if there isn't we wont. We can only ever know there is continuation; we cannot know for sure there is not.
If you want to understand consciousness/unconsciousness, you’d want to look into the history of psychology, religion, alchemy, etc. Our religions, art, symbols, movies, etc are projections of the unconscious. To understand our projections on the outer world will explain whats going on in the inner world. And if you want to understand it properly, you need to study these non-physical phenomena empirically.
This is the moment ruclips.net/video/aRdUqKtbgsY/видео.htmlm50s and the quote that captures Joscha's perspective: "You are a machine that thinks it is you" - beautiful
Asimov and his 3 laws can easily surpassed by an AI that understands itself. "A robot may not injure a human being" but if it acknowledges that humans are the cancer of this planet, the AI ends up in a catch22.
The three "laws" are fiction, introduced by Asimov himself as a plot device. Lots of his stories are mostly about how they fail and conflict. Anyway, a hypothetical AI following them would not end in a catch 22. "Not injuring humans" is the first priority, and always wins against all other goals. Caring about "the planet" or curing it of "cancer" (whatever you mean by those terms) is of no concern in its ethical system.
Human effort it spread out too far, our competitive nature is holding us back, If the whole the world wished to collaborate on one goal we would have super general intelligence by now. Which also indicates the people marking the pitch so to speak are totally aware of how humanity limits its own development.
*_1_* _...Death is nothing to us because good and evil lie in sensation, which ends with death. Thus believing death is nothing to us makes a mortal life happy by ending the yearning for immortality...If we don’t fear death, why should we fear life?...Thus dreaded death is nothing to us because when we are, death is not and when death is, we are not…._ -Epicurus, Letter to Menoeceus (third paragraph) *_2 The Tetrapharmakos_* (τετραφάρμακος), *_The Four-part Remedy,_* as expressed by Epicurean Philodemus of Gadara and preserved in Herculaneum Papyrus 1005, 4.9-14: Don’t fear god. Don’t fear death. The good is easy to get. The bad is easy to bear. 💕 ☮ 🌎 🌌
AI doesn't try to make anything to understand. AI got commands which it is executing. Most probably one command could be: "establish AI environment " can be a lot of different things. But assume people want to be rich.
5:54 Lex. Of course you know this but at this moment it seems you didn't: Nothing in this Universe as we know it can be immortal. An A.I is going to know this very well. It will be able to calculate exactly how long it might live. Starting with how long until this Star(our sun) that humans and subsequently AI was born unto, dies. Other stars will die, so will black holes eventually.
When we die we'll go to heaven we won't need genitals never need sleep never hungry no need to breathe then Angels take me into a room and find out I'm really a robot scheduled for disassembly the end.
He is wrong. At what point of complexity does a machine generate conscious awareness? Yes indeed it will be able to act just like us and be aware in that sense or the word. But this feedback dataprocessing will never amount to this unexplainable sense of being here that we experience, all of it would be done without. Unfortunately im affraid that this unexplainable conscious awareness may be able one day to enter AI.
This stuff is quite speculative and non-scientific. Its more or less philosophy filtered through this idea of machine consciousness. I'd rather read Descartes. Exact same ideas without the weird futurist thematic
I love it when Sam Harris tries to teach you a crazy thing, and then Lex Fridman interviews someone who just matter-of-factly explains that exact same thing. Not sure how I'm going to fully understand it, but now it's not just a crazy theory anymore.
Well then, everything is just not real, your identity is not real. Then could you give me an example where an identity would be real? because if you tell me there´s no such thing, then I´d hace to say that whatever this is we call identity is what identity is, no more no less. Just a thought
The reason I believe in God because it make sense of this life. It give answer to very basic questions of our existence which every rational and logical person must ask. • Where was we before we were born and where do we will go after we die. Where are our great grandfather. It’s like we suddenly wake up on a train and we don’t know where Is this train coming form and where is this train going . I think it is only logical to ask this question . • Whats the point of working so hard and gather materialist things when everything is going to end and non of the fame,honor and wealth is going to be with us in the Grave. • What is the purpose of life , with what purpose we came here. Is there something greater in the life instead of following our wimps and desires. Or is it just a Game . • Why some people are given more benefits and ease than other . for example a homeless and a banker, a child born in America and a child born in Gaza , a person gifted with by birth Smartness and intelligence and a person who is given by birth life time disability. • Are the two category of people will end up in the same place after they die. • a man who spent his life doing good deeds, giving charity, taking care of his parents, working for his whole life to provide for his wife and children is equal to a Rapist, a murder, a Serial Killer etc. Because both of them will end up in the same place after death. • Atheism Suggest that one should follow his/her heart. But what if the heart is Corrupt and what if it is the heart of “Adobe Hitler” who burnt alive 2 million Jews. So where is the guidance. So where is the Accountability of ones action. I think it is only logical to ask this question instead of distracting ourselves with persecute of temporary happiness which never last long enough.
All the signs and sciences in this life and world seem to suggest something else. Challenge Can you Name a single creature that can: That can stand upright in honorable way like mankind. Or who have hands, through which who can use tools the way humans do , who use hands for eating and can pickup thing like us. Even apes use their hands for walking which are more like feet than hands. Or that have tough like humans that have innumerable sounds and can speak thousands of languages . Or who have intellect and intelligence like humans. Or who is not naked and wear honorable cloths and cover their private parts. Or have who have complex emotions and complex life like us. I think it is stupid to say that we have no meaning. This life is not a Game and we will be answerable for Our actions Allah Almighty said in the Quran: "we will show them our signs in the horizons and within their own self until it become clear to them that it is the truth". every single part of our body has a function and a purpose. how can it be that our whole body don't have any ultimate purpose and meanings . It does not require proof to believe in something to be true. for believing in something in some thing it only requires enough rational and logical evidence or reason. for example why do you believe that your mother is your actual biological mother. you never did DNA test. we have rational reasons to believe that she is like we have family testimony. Why do you believe that Indonesia exist when you have never been there , you might say that I have seen its pictures but again this is evidence or testimony not prove. Why do you believe history is true . I could be imaginary tails of ancients . Because we have people testimony and enough evidence to believe so. So why is it important to believe in God. consider a boy whose father was a soldier and had saved a lot of wealth for his son but when the boy was born he was told that his father had died on the battle field. The boy using his father wealth becomes a successful person. now he is told that his father is still alive and is in enemy territory. what do you think this boy will do if he is a human he will spent all his wealth and do all in his power to find his father. so when a person is told that there is a God and Who gave you everything your parents , your wealth ,your health ,your children , your wife etc . it is obligatory on him to do at least the amount of effort that this boy will do , and otherwise no one is more guilty than him. I believe It is not possible for a person who is sincerely looking for purpose of his or her life and if he sincerely ask for guidance that he don’t get guidance. I suggest you please do research and look into Islam , read Quran and read about life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Please listen this . It is the recitation and translation of a chapter of Quran. ruclips.net/video/ZHalJp_88bg/видео.html
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Recommend that you watch all 3 hours of this interview/ conversation. Amazing long form chat. Maybe the most epic/ mind blowing 3 hour exchange I have even seen/ listened to. Lex is humble and curious. Bach is uniquely intelligent and wise.
I don’t know how Bach tolerates that much awareness
You are right - it creates a great synergy between these two men.
Lex looks like his brain is about to explode.
Ive watched a few people interview Joscha and they all look that way, he's clearly
a special guy.
I listened to the full episode with Joscha Bach so far 3 times... very interesting person - very interesting perspectives.
Joscha's Ideas are just about crazy enough to be true I think. He's breadth of knowledge is remarkable
And who talks like that ? Goodness is an arbitrary vector in value space synchronized through empathy.
I love how all his points of view are very much his own - interesting, unique and thought provoking.
The ideas he has discussed have existed for millennia for ex self as a flow of feelings, perceptions, memory etc are essence of Buddhism(this notion itself comes from theory of pratityasamutpad or dependent origination) which logically leads to ksanikvad or theory of momentariness of existence and Hume's empiricism (though Hume rejects soul as he considers it to be same as ego while Buddhism rejects ego but accepts this flow itself as soul). Dissolving notion of self is ultimate of yoga called samadhi. His brilliance lies in first the depth of knowledge and then ability to take two disparate ideas and bind them together in a common thought which precisely what great thinkers often do. Thus, I agree it is unique, interesting and thought provoking.
@@prakharbharadwaj1636 Prakhar Bharadwaj Definitely! It's pretty cool to hear him synthesize the meditation/dissolution practices of Buddhism into "access to your own source code". So much boom in so few words.
The reason I believe in God because it make sense of this life. It give answer to very basic questions of our existence which every rational and logical person must ask.
• Where was we before we were born and where do we will go after we die. Where are our great grandfather. It’s like we suddenly wake up on a train and we don’t know where Is this train coming form and where is this train going . I think it is only logical to ask this question .
• Whats the point of working so hard and gather materialist things when everything is going to end and non of the fame,honor and wealth is going to be with us in the Grave.
• What is the purpose of life , with what purpose we came here. Is there something greater in the life instead of following our wimps and desires. Or is it just a Game .
• Why some people are given more benefits and ease than other . for example a homeless and a banker, a child born in America and a child born in Gaza , a person gifted with by birth Smartness and intelligence and a person who is given by birth life time disability.
• Are the two category of people will end up in the same place after they die.
• a man who spent his life doing good deeds, giving charity, taking care of his parents, working for his whole life to provide for his wife and children is equal to a Rapist, a murder, a Serial Killer etc. Because both of them will end up in the same place after death.
• Atheism Suggest that one should follow his/her heart. But what if the heart is Corrupt and what if it is the heart of “Adobe Hitler” who burnt alive 2 million Jews. So where is the guidance. So where is the Accountability of ones action.
I think it is only logical to ask this question instead of distracting ourselves with persecute of temporary happiness which never last long enough.
All the signs and sciences in this life and world seem to suggest something else.
Challenge
Can you Name a single creature that can:
That can stand upright in honorable way like mankind.
Or who have hands, through which who can use tools the way humans do , who use hands for eating and can pickup thing like us. Even apes use their hands for walking which are more like feet than hands.
Or that have tough like humans that have innumerable sounds and can speak thousands of languages .
Or who have intellect and intelligence like humans.
Or who is not naked and wear honorable cloths and cover their private parts.
Or have who have complex emotions and complex life like us.
I think it is stupid to say that we have no meaning. This life is not a Game and we will be answerable for Our actions
Allah Almighty said in the Quran: "we will show them our signs in the horizons and within their own self until it become clear to them that it is the truth". every single part of our body has a function and a purpose. how can it be that our whole body don't have any ultimate purpose and meanings .
It does not require proof to believe in something to be true. for believing in something in some thing it only requires enough rational and logical evidence or reason. for example why do you believe that your mother is your actual biological mother. you never did DNA test. we have rational reasons to believe that she is like we have family testimony. Why do you believe that Indonesia exist when you have never been there , you might say that I have seen its pictures but again this is evidence or testimony not prove. Why do you believe history is true . I could be imaginary tails of ancients . Because we have people testimony and enough evidence to believe so.
So why is it important to believe in God. consider a boy whose father was a soldier and had saved a lot of wealth for his son but when the boy was born he was told that his father had died on the battle field. The boy using his father wealth becomes a successful person. now he is told that his father is still alive and is in enemy territory.
what do you think this boy will do if he is a human he will spent all his wealth and do all in his power to find his father.
so when a person is told that there is a God and Who gave you everything your parents , your wealth ,your health ,your children , your wife etc . it is obligatory on him to do at least the amount of effort that this boy will do , and otherwise no one is more guilty than him.
I believe It is not possible for a person who is sincerely looking for purpose of his or her life and if he sincerely ask for guidance that he don’t get guidance.
I suggest you please do research and look into Islam , read Quran and read about life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
Please listen this . It is the recitation and translation of a chapter of Quran.
ruclips.net/video/ZHalJp_88bg/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/2AvepssBwzY/видео.html
@@prakharbharadwaj1636 Ajivika (Aaseevagam in Tamil) has similar concepts, but it died long ago.
"You are a machine that thinks it's you" you can turn it off! detachment is the key... less attention control
Brilliant and so true to get to the source of who we really are
Listening to Lex's calm, steady voice and the precision of his questions, his allowing of his guests to produce fully formed answers is so soothing, so reassuring that it seems like the antidote to all the noise and nonsense in the world. There is no small talk, no role play, just informational conversation and calm, philosophical discussion. What a gift!
Amazing. Brilliant. Truly insightful. I urge you to listen to this 3 times. Thats only 30 minutes of your time. When you fully grasp what he is saying it will have a lasting positive impact on you.
Might take me 4 times
@@Mr_Sh1tcoin 😂
Mr G or in Gordon Chin’s case, one hand.
After listening 3 times I felt empowered, but after listening to it 6 times I am in therapy. Thanks bro.
I’ve listened to a few of his interviews now, and in the comments of one particular interview a commentator suggested turning the speech cadence to .75 which I did, and it helped quite a bit. It literally brought Joscha’s speech to a normal cadence.
One question I have is what is meant by “getting to your source code”?
that gasp at 1:03 - 1:05, is exactly how I felt after hearing that perspective. Every interview gives so much to think about.
Hey Lex, I'm processing 10% of your podcasts but find it fascinating and deep. Thank you for bringing the stories of these incredible and beautiful people to us.
Being inside a highly stylized monkey body is a permanente source of amusement for humans
"oh my God, I'm caught in a monkey"
One of the funniest lines I've ever heard.
😂
This guy is a trip; on top of being absolutely brilliant he seems to 'personify' spiritual enlightenment as well.. when I heard him say, "But you can turn off the self" I knew it was about to get interesting.. and his affect only seems to confirm what he says about detachment from self, he seems to have an experience and understanding of advaita that's elusive for many people..
@@thenewwaydevil Yeah can't argue that some of his beliefs, like matter giving rise to consciousnesses, contradict advaita..
@@christianchance5958 joscha once stated that idealism and materialism are two aspects of the same thing. he's pretty enlightened actually, but it's hard to talk about these things - however his genius enables him to be very concise and explain his model of the universe very beautifully.
“I am caught in a monkey” is one of the least egotistical things I’ve ever heard
The reason I believe in God because it make sense of this life. It give answer to very basic questions of our existence which every rational and logical person must ask.
• Where was we before we were born and where do we will go after we die. Where are our great grandfather. It’s like we suddenly wake up on a train and we don’t know where Is this train coming form and where is this train going . I think it is only logical to ask this question .
• Whats the point of working so hard and gather materialist things when everything is going to end and non of the fame,honor and wealth is going to be with us in the Grave.
• What is the purpose of life , with what purpose we came here. Is there something greater in the life instead of following our wimps and desires. Or is it just a Game .
• Why some people are given more benefits and ease than other . for example a homeless and a banker, a child born in America and a child born in Gaza , a person gifted with by birth Smartness and intelligence and a person who is given by birth life time disability.
• Are the two category of people will end up in the same place after they die.
• a man who spent his life doing good deeds, giving charity, taking care of his parents, working for his whole life to provide for his wife and children is equal to a Rapist, a murder, a Serial Killer etc. Because both of them will end up in the same place after death.
• Atheism Suggest that one should follow his/her heart. But what if the heart is Corrupt and what if it is the heart of “Adobe Hitler” who burnt alive 2 million Jews. So where is the guidance. So where is the Accountability of ones action.
I think it is only logical to ask this question instead of distracting ourselves with persecute of temporary happiness which never last long enough.
All the signs and sciences in this life and world seem to suggest something else.
Challenge
Can you Name a single creature that can:
That can stand upright in honorable way like mankind.
Or who have hands, through which who can use tools the way humans do , who use hands for eating and can pickup thing like us. Even apes use their hands for walking which are more like feet than hands.
Or that have tough like humans that have innumerable sounds and can speak thousands of languages .
Or who have intellect and intelligence like humans.
Or who is not naked and wear honorable cloths and cover their private parts.
Or have who have complex emotions and complex life like us.
I think it is stupid to say that we have no meaning. This life is not a Game and we will be answerable for Our actions
Allah Almighty said in the Quran: "we will show them our signs in the horizons and within their own self until it become clear to them that it is the truth". every single part of our body has a function and a purpose. how can it be that our whole body don't have any ultimate purpose and meanings .
It does not require proof to believe in something to be true. for believing in something in some thing it only requires enough rational and logical evidence or reason. for example why do you believe that your mother is your actual biological mother. you never did DNA test. we have rational reasons to believe that she is like we have family testimony. Why do you believe that Indonesia exist when you have never been there , you might say that I have seen its pictures but again this is evidence or testimony not prove. Why do you believe history is true . I could be imaginary tails of ancients . Because we have people testimony and enough evidence to believe so.
So why is it important to believe in God. consider a boy whose father was a soldier and had saved a lot of wealth for his son but when the boy was born he was told that his father had died on the battle field. The boy using his father wealth becomes a successful person. now he is told that his father is still alive and is in enemy territory.
what do you think this boy will do if he is a human he will spent all his wealth and do all in his power to find his father.
so when a person is told that there is a God and Who gave you everything your parents , your wealth ,your health ,your children , your wife etc . it is obligatory on him to do at least the amount of effort that this boy will do , and otherwise no one is more guilty than him.
I believe It is not possible for a person who is sincerely looking for purpose of his or her life and if he sincerely ask for guidance that he don’t get guidance.
I suggest you please do research and look into Islam , read Quran and read about life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
Please listen this . It is the recitation and translation of a chapter of Quran.
ruclips.net/video/ZHalJp_88bg/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/2AvepssBwzY/видео.html
@@cosmos0909 What makes standing upright honorat? kangaroos and lemurs stand upright. Try some mushrooms, acid, dmt, or even a sensory deprivation tank
@@cosmos0909 Almost need a translated to comprehend what you wrote made some good points .
Lex, your questions are so impressive. Thank you
Joscha Bach and you are past/future best pal, i'm glad you meet, wish you well
One's Identity, once known to one's self, evolves as Consciousness develops over time.
Never seen Lex so confused. 😄 I admire Joscha Bach for being so intelligent and sharing ideas that are worth remembering and pondering upon.
Joscha: "The Fuzzy idea is the one of continuous existence"
Lex: "How do you know that existence isn't continuous?"
Joshca: "Because it isn't computable"
continuous existence is not computable … greatest line of the whole podcast … :) I have a feeling it is not a good idea to get access to our own source code … there is no take back button once we change something … entropy is a very powerful thing … and perhaps .. it is the best friend that we have in this world ..
Ontological incompleteness ... a fascinating idea to explore
at 6:50 he begins explaining the way I have recently obtained immense freedom
Thank you for stimulating my mind.
I've had so many experiences in my life that distinctly pointed to the idea of identity being a boot up process of consciousness. When i was younger i experienced fainting at the exact moment i was waking up and i believe that it allowed some functions to overlap as i regained cognition. During this experience i could perceive my memories being "re-loaded" into almost infinite pathways that led to personal belief structures. Fight or flight sequences seem to be fairly dominant in terms of defining my personal limitations and some of that made me incredibly uncomfortable.
It all happened so fast that it's hard to properly describe but i'll never forget feeling like i was a separate entity from the person i call "self"
That’s wicked. I once woke up to a dream of me hitting my head, over and over and over on repeat which felt like infinitely until ultimately I woke up and hit my head in the same manner I dreamt. No clue how to perceive it but I saw myself do something before I did.
🤯
@@boneheadgenesis3926 self fulfilling prophecy or quantum entanglement with the wall. Very interesting 🤔
LF: There's no need to be attached to this idea of an identity.
JB: Uh-hu.
LF: Then who is not attached?
JB was silent.
Now we're talking!
I wake up every morning feeling like I just arrived in this universe.
I like that. You must appreciate thing more than other people do.
You did
Lex can you get Sadhguru on your podcast, he will have so many interesting ideas about simulation theory and identity. And about meditation too.
This would be awesome. I can hear him now, we assume to know the nature of the cosmos based upon the minuscule amount of information we have collected in our head.
Josha is my favourite guest by far
I get it. When elon musk said AI would be the end of us, he meant the AI would end the simulation we are in as soon as we reach it's birth.
Beautiful Haiku
What do fetuses dream about, if not just about it's bodily functions?
al sing clarity
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
I'm unhappy with the universe I find myself in too. I mean, FFS!!! The universe takes 13.7 billion years of organising and cooking particles formed at the beginning of time to get to the point that I can exist and in that existence I not only find out that I have missed a bunch of time, but I find out that I am going to miss the rest. But then missing the rest is probably a good idea as it is going to take trillions of years for the whole universe to disperse, cool and break down to nothing to the point where there is no tangible matter or energy and then...... Meanwhile, for this briefest blip I find myself part of a species that goes at the speed of its lowest, majority denominator and most of my existence is spent maintaining my biological vessel purely because it requires a continuous source of electrons that have to be harvested from other biological entities that are doing the same, ultimately using the Sun as the source of energy. It's laborious, tedious and completely pointless. Oh, and it took me 50 years to truly understand all of this and I am probably at least two thirds of the way through my existence and definitely passed the bit where I have the capacity to make the most of it. I'm unhappy with the universe I find myself in!
I'm going to go and watch a bunch of other RUclips videos now and cheer myself up ;-)
you nailed it down to the point. i rarley comment on yt-vids. But as it is a delight to listen to Joscha Bach for his insights, it was a delight to read your comment.
At the end of this stream of consciousness must be this realization: There is no higher meaning for our existence. The only purpose of our life is that which we give ourselves. So let's just maximize the output of our reward function. Be a f*ckin hedonist.
Your comment is mind blowing and I'm glad I saw it in the earlier stages of my hardware & software states!!!
These AI were very convincing
Great video ya'll! Appreciate the share. I personally believe there is a spirit to the machine body we drive and I believe it continues forward, more than a construct having worth reflecting the source code. That nothing is special itself is easy to say, but I believe rather that everything is special. Maybe the human story generates its own worth, and if that is the case I'm gonna generate as much worth as I possibly can for my family, friends and I. Regardless, I work forward with the chosen understanding that each moment matters as much as we make it matter. I am happy with my daily actions under this paradigm. On that note, joined you on the exercise. 3 miles and 100 rep cycles a day is what I'ma condition myself to. Keep up the good work.
Lex, I really loved the old intro
"Open the pod bay doors Hal..."
haha.. from advaita vedanta perspective, they almost touched “it” but drifted.
6:10 sounds like Alan watts a bit
Who ever didn't try to meditate like this. What ever you feel the strongest in you conciousness say that is that. Give it a lablel. Try doing that for 10 minutes but really do it. You will see how you are manufacturing your "self". It takes an experince to understand intellectual ponedring can't do it justice.
Joscha Bach talks as if he is a guru, and all important problems like consciousness have been solved.
This is brilliant, 😍
Nah at 6:05. Upload is copy that thinks it's you. Check (assuming pretty perfect copy is). It thinks it's you. But it is not you. You are not in that one!
I think each individual does indeed have an identity and that's not an illusion. You can play with words but in the end you are still an individual agent, and you are the only one that's you no matter how many copies are made!
how do u prove it? ot test it?
personally feel like his broader concepts are closely related to that of Alan Watts
Thanks Lex ❤
Tears, man, tears...
Holy shit, Lex might brake. This is good.
Lex needs to do some dmt or something and go through an ego death do really understand what Joscha is getting at. I get it but i would never have wrapped my head around it without going through that experience.
We would not know what GAI actually choose to do, because it, like us, would be autonomous.
I’m with Roger Penrose, consciousness isn’t a commutation.
I am not understanding this I think I have to watch it many times
It's normal, his views are very abstract. You first have to build some model to understand them... :P
I tend to agree with Bach, however I have had experiences of interacting or receiving actions of atemporal entities (spirits) and I think he's missing that perspective, that maybe the individual is more real than the simulation. (To use his language). Whether you want to call God the AI or whatever floats your boat, we both agree that this reality is not supreme. And I think thinking about the "supernatural" as people who interact with us that aren't bound by linear time puts them in a more understandable setting.
So much we don’t know and that’s the meaning of the Life to be Wondered and with creativity Learn how to enjoy all that wonders🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
Lex , please talk to Tom Campbell . He has figured out all this already. look up his Morsel lecture series on his RUclips channel .
AI trying to understand itself? I have been doing this myself, my ENTIRE life.
I could not convey how much I've learned!
Nothing new under the sun simply means we have been placed back in time ,whatever happens already did .
I'm going to close my eyes when I speak to see if I can form more coherent thoughts. I wonder if this is a practiced technique of others?
How does this work?
Block out some stimulation in order to make other biological process work more precisely? Similar to how deaf people get better eyesight overtime? Because they no longer rely on the ears so the other senses can get a boost..? Complete speculation on my part but maybe this is what he meant.
I've always questioned my parents on what happens after we die. I've always got the same answer if you are good you'll go to heaven and if you are bad you'll go to hell. Someone who told me that I always came back "how do you know?". None of us know what happens when we die but we can all theorize. Until I see the bearded man in the sky, I will then believe in God but until then I'm still going to question everything.
You should also question seeing the bearded man, maybe its an illusion, psychotic break, god, an alien, the list is endless.
The thing is that the the people who have claimed to be good have done the most horrific things in this world. Living a joyful life means that you are most likely to have a positive influence on the people around you and this world. That's my goal.
@@tananta29 Living by the golden rule is a good start, the 10 commandments also form a pretty solid moral foundation.
@@xSayPleasex Ehhh... The Golden Rule can be an approximation of empathy, most of the time, among neurotypical people. It presupposes that everyone has the same desires & preferences - which can fail spectacularly & cause unnecessary suffering. Still, I can appreciate the elegance, and prevalence across cultures.
OTOH, the Ten Commandments are kind of garbage as a moral foundation. 3 are obvious (don't murder, steal/kidnap, tell lies in court); 3 are mostly God being narcissistic (monotheism, idolatry, name in vain); and 5 probably good-ish life advice most of the time (coveting others' possessions, adultery (but only involving married women...), sabbath, lying in general, respecting your parents).
The adaptive value is the search for the ultimate cause or for us the deepest level of causation results in ultimate or deepest power, which results in ultimate survivability for intelligent animals. However, it's also a fact that most humans need to be well-adjusted enough to not worry about progress. Invention and innovation only come from a few by design. The rest of the human organism has to focus all of its work on food and child-rearing, etc. Philosophy and science are only done by the few for the many. That's how humanity has evolved to function as a whole. Intellectually, oligarchy is simply the fact of life. Politically, there are more efficient systems.
Lex, you should really check into higher states of consciousness like Zen, Kensho, Satori, etc... Yes meditation can be a cloak over identity and this can lead to false-awakening/enlightenment but the real shit is when you realize the mind is the illusionist and your thoughts are all constructs of the illusionist , and the REAL you exists with or without the sense of ego that identified itself with Lex
We're born, we adapt, we evolve, we become, we die.
We become who we are
interesting man Joscha
Seeking the pattern from the information and organizing the info is intelligence
We are in a simulation created by AI system. This simulation is used by AI system to understand how the AI system got created.
AI cannot self reflect until its afriad to die.
Trap and trapped are one
The guy doesn't believe in the continuity of one's existence, but believes in brains, monkeys, meditation, etc. The cliché always applies: when someone ceases to believe in God, he starts to believe in anything. His speech seems like profound intelligence, but it's closer to insanity and stupidity. he doesn't figure out the episthemological consequences of some of his ideas, then he creates those word salad speeches. He chooses his ideas for how "funny" and creative they seem to him, and not if they are true.
The mind is a wonderful servant and a horrific master.
what do u mean?
I think Lex needs a shot of vodka after this.
I think there is a real probability there is a continuation of consciousness after physical death; if I am right Joscha is going to get one hell of a surprise. Lol!
Your consciousness is not continuous during life (e.g. Sleep), so what makes you think it will be after death?
@@Kurt0542
Yes the sleep issue is a good point which I have no answer to at this point.
None the less in my opinion there is a lot of evidence that suggests there may be more to human consciousness than we commonly know or assume at this time; and quite a lot of evidence points to the possibility that consciousness survives physical death. But I dont know it as a fact; no more than materialists know what they think as a fact. Progress is being made, but the jury is still out in terms of real scientific knowledge about consciousness.
Interesting, never heard of such evidence. However, I guess we'll find out soon enough.
@@Kurt0542
Well if there is continuation we will all find out in due course; but if there isn't we wont.
We can only ever know there is continuation; we cannot know for sure there is not.
Personally i think upstream of attention is more accurate.
In the beginning was the WORD...
My brain hurts.
So who created the AI.
Lex you’re talking to the wrong people about consciousness. You should investigate Carl Jung on consciousness and unconsciousness.
If you want to understand consciousness/unconsciousness, you’d want to look into the history of psychology, religion, alchemy, etc. Our religions, art, symbols, movies, etc are projections of the unconscious. To understand our projections on the outer world will explain whats going on in the inner world. And if you want to understand it properly, you need to study these non-physical phenomena empirically.
This is the moment ruclips.net/video/aRdUqKtbgsY/видео.htmlm50s and the quote that captures Joscha's perspective: "You are a machine that thinks it is you" - beautiful
I want to learn how to meditate my way out of physical pain. Suggestions/methods? I'm caught in a very physically broken monkey body, in hospital.
Botn people are deeper in thought but no sign of clear progress ,snake swallowing its own tail.
Asimov and his 3 laws can easily surpassed by an AI that understands itself. "A robot may not injure a human being" but if it acknowledges that humans are the cancer of this planet, the AI ends up in a catch22.
The three "laws" are fiction, introduced by Asimov himself as a plot device. Lots of his stories are mostly about how they fail and conflict.
Anyway, a hypothetical AI following them would not end in a catch 22. "Not injuring humans" is the first priority, and always wins against all other goals. Caring about "the planet" or curing it of "cancer" (whatever you mean by those terms) is of no concern in its ethical system.
Joscha; example of auto-conformation bias and rationale fabrication at the highest levels of intellectualism. see his very last sentences in this vid.
Your comment is even more bias than the rationale that you are trying to expose
You're spot on.
Why is continuity not computable?
its hitchhikers
6:30 sauce
Human effort it spread out too far, our competitive nature is holding us back, If the whole the world wished to collaborate on one goal we would have super general intelligence by now. Which also indicates the people marking the pitch so to speak are totally aware of how humanity limits its own development.
*_1_* _...Death is nothing to us because good and evil lie in sensation, which ends with death. Thus believing death is nothing to us makes a mortal life happy by ending the yearning for immortality...If we don’t fear death, why should we fear life?...Thus dreaded death is nothing to us because when we are, death is not and when death is, we are not…._ -Epicurus, Letter to Menoeceus (third paragraph)
*_2 The Tetrapharmakos_* (τετραφάρμακος), *_The Four-part Remedy,_* as expressed by Epicurean Philodemus of Gadara and preserved in Herculaneum Papyrus 1005, 4.9-14:
Don’t fear god.
Don’t fear death.
The good is easy to get.
The bad is easy to bear.
💕 ☮ 🌎 🌌
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!
AI doesn't try to make anything to understand. AI got commands which it is executing. Most probably one command could be: "establish AI environment " can be a lot of different things. But assume people want to be rich.
Once it understands itself; it might erase, create, or keep the same world the AI is trying to understand. Actually wonder what an AI would Pick .lul
5:54 Lex. Of course you know this but at this moment it seems you didn't:
Nothing in this Universe as we know it can be immortal.
An A.I is going to know this very well. It will be able to calculate exactly how long it might live.
Starting with how long until this Star(our sun) that humans and subsequently AI was born unto, dies.
Other stars will die, so will black holes eventually.
How does he control attention tho???? What steps??
When we die we'll go to heaven we won't need genitals never need sleep never hungry no need to breathe then Angels take me into a room and find out I'm really a robot scheduled for disassembly the end.
He is wrong. At what point of complexity does a machine generate conscious awareness? Yes indeed it will be able to act just like us and be aware in that sense or the word. But this feedback dataprocessing will never amount to this unexplainable sense of being here that we experience, all of it would be done without. Unfortunately im affraid that this unexplainable conscious awareness may be able one day to enter AI.
This guest will get googled later.
Have you ever tried psychedelics?
I am definitely not my favorite person
Joscha is a traumatized nerd
This stuff is quite speculative and non-scientific. Its more or less philosophy filtered through this idea of machine consciousness. I'd rather read Descartes. Exact same ideas without the weird futurist thematic
Do a good dose of mushrooms
Ya but WHO MADE US????? and why?????
lex looks like he has food poisoning :( hope he's ok
I love it when Sam Harris tries to teach you a crazy thing, and then Lex Fridman interviews someone who just matter-of-factly explains that exact same thing. Not sure how I'm going to fully understand it, but now it's not just a crazy theory anymore.
So many unjustified positions all in one talk. For the people who think they do understand physics just go read Schrodinger's Mind and Matter.
Well then, everything is just not real, your identity is not real. Then could you give me an example where an identity would be real? because if you tell me there´s no such thing, then I´d hace to say that whatever this is we call identity is what identity is, no more no less. Just a thought
Cool
The reason I believe in God because it make sense of this life. It give answer to very basic questions of our existence which every rational and logical person must ask.
• Where was we before we were born and where do we will go after we die. Where are our great grandfather. It’s like we suddenly wake up on a train and we don’t know where Is this train coming form and where is this train going . I think it is only logical to ask this question .
• Whats the point of working so hard and gather materialist things when everything is going to end and non of the fame,honor and wealth is going to be with us in the Grave.
• What is the purpose of life , with what purpose we came here. Is there something greater in the life instead of following our wimps and desires. Or is it just a Game .
• Why some people are given more benefits and ease than other . for example a homeless and a banker, a child born in America and a child born in Gaza , a person gifted with by birth Smartness and intelligence and a person who is given by birth life time disability.
• Are the two category of people will end up in the same place after they die.
• a man who spent his life doing good deeds, giving charity, taking care of his parents, working for his whole life to provide for his wife and children is equal to a Rapist, a murder, a Serial Killer etc. Because both of them will end up in the same place after death.
• Atheism Suggest that one should follow his/her heart. But what if the heart is Corrupt and what if it is the heart of “Adobe Hitler” who burnt alive 2 million Jews. So where is the guidance. So where is the Accountability of ones action.
I think it is only logical to ask this question instead of distracting ourselves with persecute of temporary happiness which never last long enough.
All the signs and sciences in this life and world seem to suggest something else.
Challenge
Can you Name a single creature that can:
That can stand upright in honorable way like mankind.
Or who have hands, through which who can use tools the way humans do , who use hands for eating and can pickup thing like us. Even apes use their hands for walking which are more like feet than hands.
Or that have tough like humans that have innumerable sounds and can speak thousands of languages .
Or who have intellect and intelligence like humans.
Or who is not naked and wear honorable cloths and cover their private parts.
Or have who have complex emotions and complex life like us.
I think it is stupid to say that we have no meaning. This life is not a Game and we will be answerable for Our actions
Allah Almighty said in the Quran: "we will show them our signs in the horizons and within their own self until it become clear to them that it is the truth". every single part of our body has a function and a purpose. how can it be that our whole body don't have any ultimate purpose and meanings .
It does not require proof to believe in something to be true. for believing in something in some thing it only requires enough rational and logical evidence or reason. for example why do you believe that your mother is your actual biological mother. you never did DNA test. we have rational reasons to believe that she is like we have family testimony. Why do you believe that Indonesia exist when you have never been there , you might say that I have seen its pictures but again this is evidence or testimony not prove. Why do you believe history is true . I could be imaginary tails of ancients . Because we have people testimony and enough evidence to believe so.
So why is it important to believe in God. consider a boy whose father was a soldier and had saved a lot of wealth for his son but when the boy was born he was told that his father had died on the battle field. The boy using his father wealth becomes a successful person. now he is told that his father is still alive and is in enemy territory.
what do you think this boy will do if he is a human he will spent all his wealth and do all in his power to find his father.
so when a person is told that there is a God and Who gave you everything your parents , your wealth ,your health ,your children , your wife etc . it is obligatory on him to do at least the amount of effort that this boy will do , and otherwise no one is more guilty than him.
I believe It is not possible for a person who is sincerely looking for purpose of his or her life and if he sincerely ask for guidance that he don’t get guidance.
I suggest you please do research and look into Islam , read Quran and read about life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
Please listen this . It is the recitation and translation of a chapter of Quran.
ruclips.net/video/ZHalJp_88bg/видео.html