I'm an American who lives in Switzerland and speaks German. The thought of being able to function at even a small modicum of his level auf Deutsch is beyond my imagination 🤪🙈
This is the highest minds-blown-per-minute I've ever experienced... "Suffering is the result of caring about things that you cannot change. If you are able to change what you care about to those things that you can change, you will not suffer." 🤯 0:06 "Happiness itself is not important. Happiness is like a cookie." 🤯 0:21 "The environment cannot make you happy, it's your appraisal of your environment that makes you happy. And if you can change your appraisal of the environment, which you can learn to, then you can create arbitrary states of happiness." 🤯 0:52 "It's very hard to sterilize a planet once it's infected with life." 🤯 2:34 "You are just an expression of the cell." 🤯 2:49 "You shift the boundaries between the ordered systems into the realm of the chaos." 🤯 4:48 "What feels most meaningful to me is to try to build and maintain a sustainable civilization." 🤯 5:05 "Is it possible that a gas giant could become intelligent, what would that involve?" 🤯 6:04 "I don't think that God has anything to do with creation. I think it's a mistranslation of the Talmud into the Catholic mythology. I think that Genesis is actually the childhood memories of a god. It's a mind that's remembering how it came into being." 🤯 7:34 "The higher being that we are part of is the civilization." 🤯 10:04 ...Wait, the full conversation is 3 HOURS? 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Victims and victimizers are roles we play . Also God is Creation which is Love Jeffrey Epstein was the opposite of unconditional Love . The girls were seeking love ❤️ it was not love. He wants us to believe that GOD doesn’t exist , which is simply a sick mind
rocking in your chair is a sort of nodding with your whole body, you think? We nod with our heads to accept new information into our beings. Would a bigger nod, a whole body nod, serve the same function for bigger information? I certainly find myself pausing when I come across something new, something I need to reflect on, or play again in my head, but often I realize this information is new after i've paused it, that the mechanism for pausing is so embodied for me that it happens before i'm consciously aware the information is new. Weird stuff.
this clip opens up w lex gazing at the ceiling and rocking in his chair asking if suffering is fundamental for happiness. this is the most lex opening jesus. if you're reading this lex i appreciate your podcast series very much please keep it up.
Thank you for the kind words, and it is true, this is how I spend 90% of my day: rocking in a chair, pondering if suffering is fundamental to happiness.
@@lexfridman i just want to thank you for the knowledge i get from you. You helped my mind to satisfy many curiosities and questions, and opened up a lot of new interesting ones. You offered so much new topics to talk with my friends and shared a lot of knowledge for free, and really leaving a positive footprint in time and you have my full gratitude. if you ever need anything when you come to Croatia just ask, its the least i can do.
From all the Lex videos I´ve watched I think this one is where you can see his mind struggling and enjoying such struggle, not business as usual. Long live Lex and long live Joscha
You can wonder why you're unhappy for months if not years and he puts it so perfectly. You're unhappy because you care about something that cannot be changed so care about something that you can change. So simple and over looked yet so fucking powerful #thatslit
I think if you've never been exposed, or have a shallow exposure to some of these topics, it's gonna require a rewind, so the less articulated explanations he provides are great. Remember, Joscha has already been thinking and exploring these things for some time, so don't discount yourself as "common" if you feel like the topics are a little lofty. If you're watching these videos, odds are, you're probably not very common.
"Suffering is the result of caring about things that you cannot change. If you are able to change what you care about to those things that you can change, you will not suffer."
Keep up the good work lex! Big fan! I want to say this is a very deep and awsome conversation and i have trouble keeping up. But i do tell people all the time, its simple, discipline, routine, healthy diet, stay busy, exercise. Thats it. But i do like hearing the science behind it. Thanks! 👍
His facial expression when he says something really fucked up mind blowing is so funny. I love how Lex has to keep stopping him like “ok hold on what the fuck”
Such complex ideas but spoken so eloquently- notice he basically never stutters or goes “uhm” “ahhh” the concepts are so clear in his mind! What a great conversation!
The complexity of the beautiful explanations of Joscha and how Lex patiently takes them and carefully aprehend them recalls me the conversations between David Bohm and Jiddu Krishnamurti in the 60's-70's of the previous century. Those were more metaphysical conversations, but that same mood is here imho.
Thank you Lex and Joscha for sharing your time and thoughts. It was facinating to listen to such a profound discussion! Joscha is a first principle grand master 🤯
@Lex Fridman, It's probably the most important piece of information I got over the last 20 year. WOW, I applaud to that. (gonna listen to this podcast now)
Well, he has. You can find at least 3 talks with slides from the Chaos Communication Congress when you look for "joscha bach ccc" right here on RUclips. Be prepared, the pace is even faster =)
I wish the interview focused more on explaining his viewpoints in layman terms instead of mowing us down with volumes of, what most of us would consider to be abstract for consumption.
Interesting to hear the Solaris reference applied. I admit I've never read Lem's book or watched to 2002 Hollywood movie but Tarkovsky film next to Come and See is one of most intense things I've ever watched.
thanks for a really interesting and a greatly conducted interview. a bit surprised by his dismissal and blunt psychologizing of nietzsche. but told with his accent it actually became a bit humorous :)
This guys just provided another pillar into the absence of free-will/simulation theory philosophical argument. The conceptual foundation for A.I. begins with the disintegration of this ego that drives culture and individualism alike.
@Kargadan Yep! "weell it's complex, so maybe something clever designed it" "This means a specific strain of a particular middle eastern deity into whose cult I happen to have been indoctrinated since I learned to speak is the correct one. You're gonna burn pal."
God damn its great listening to people who I have many disagreements with but can’t wait to hear what they have to say next. You so often extract the best in your guests Lex. 🍻
Thaddeus Golas had this theory in his book " love and pain" arrived at in a different way. Purpose is to evolve, there is no plan - its completely wild but will evolves its own systems as it goes along. His smallest particle is the Atom, or the whole that can also a particle when contracted.
no rainbow keep watering, but human aspect is also curiosity and mischief, lower mind, but through suffering and regrets we realise higher mind, consciousness, oneness with all, harmony and happiness.
Wonderful clip. Tripped up on Bach’s intuition that abiogenesis is very unlikely, and that spontaneous intelligence creating cells as von Neumann probes and infecting planets is more likely. It seems like we don’t have any way to calculate either probability, so I’m very curious what fuels his intuition for this.
it's a nice sounding quote, but I think the sentiment is more like "happiness is _just_ a cookie your brain bakes for itself", cos cookies aren't important
I realized not too long ago that the external things I thought were making me happy were literally just me and my own actions/thoughts that which i had assumed was coming from external sources.
I was thinking about cookies 🍪 the other day. “We are just an expression of the cell.” Lex, this was fascinating! Such a unique perspective! A fantastic interview - thoroughly enjoyed this one!
To anyone who is new to Joscha, watch full talk and read his writing and follow him on Twitter. I find some of his comments on shaman rituals very skeptical but he is brilliant on so many levels. His thoughts on unstability of civilization and possible Pandemic breaking our denial was back in 2018/2019 have come alive.
"...happiness is a cookie that your brain bakes for itself..." The throwaway deadpan effortlessness of the mid-flow delivery was so great that even on repeat viewings brings on a proper laugh and happiness... ...So maybe Josha Bach is a cookie my brain bakes for itself, or more to the point, my neural model of Josha, juxtaposed through my own model via executive function and irony feedback, is causing happiness spiking. 'Effortless Irony Edition' of Josha Bach AI plugin software masterpiece is going to be one of the most heavily pirated augmentations on the 2050 Aug black market amidst the distorted neon lead-lined back-room Tokyo surveillance loopholes.
In pursuit of happiness The boy lost his way By following what others had to say When grown The man found the unknown Happy isn't really real Just a fleeting fun feeling Like the one that comes When playing with a toy A mirage that comes and goes on tippy toes An imposter masquerading as joy Exquisitely memorable Nearly ethereal But oh Ever so ephemeral Like a rainbow's pot of gold
I am floored by his ability to concisely frame complex principles into sentences with such eloquence.
And in a language that isn't his mother tounge. Wow.
I'm an American who lives in Switzerland and speaks German. The thought of being able to function at even a small modicum of his level auf Deutsch is beyond my imagination 🤪🙈
This is the highest minds-blown-per-minute I've ever experienced...
"Suffering is the result of caring about things that you cannot change. If you are able to change what you care about to those things that you can change, you will not suffer." 🤯 0:06
"Happiness itself is not important. Happiness is like a cookie." 🤯 0:21
"The environment cannot make you happy, it's your appraisal of your environment that makes you happy. And if you can change your appraisal of the environment, which you can learn to, then you can create arbitrary states of happiness." 🤯 0:52
"It's very hard to sterilize a planet once it's infected with life." 🤯 2:34
"You are just an expression of the cell." 🤯 2:49
"You shift the boundaries between the ordered systems into the realm of the chaos." 🤯 4:48
"What feels most meaningful to me is to try to build and maintain a sustainable civilization." 🤯 5:05
"Is it possible that a gas giant could become intelligent, what would that involve?" 🤯 6:04
"I don't think that God has anything to do with creation. I think it's a mistranslation of the Talmud into the Catholic mythology. I think that Genesis is actually the childhood memories of a god. It's a mind that's remembering how it came into being." 🤯 7:34
"The higher being that we are part of is the civilization." 🤯 10:04
...Wait, the full conversation is 3 HOURS? 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
🤯x1million
Duality trap
thanks
Ah yes the mind-blown-per-minute ratio is really high in this one
@@J-KEY If you statement is true why he is getting "attention" now, not before Jeffrey Epstein "death".
Thank you for introducing me to Joscha Bach.We are privileged to have him on our planet at this time.
Although I agree to a large degree, I do wanna say this: are you aware that he had ties to Jeffrey Epstein and has refused to disclose them?
SAME
Victims and victimizers are roles we play .
Also God is Creation which is Love
Jeffrey Epstein was the opposite of unconditional Love . The girls were seeking love ❤️ it was not love.
He wants us to believe that GOD doesn’t exist , which is simply a sick mind
This is the charm Lex radiates.
@@dickschwanzstein1789okay, my desire to know more has intensified
1 minute and 47 seconds in and this dude has said more than most philosophy teachers say in a year.
oh, sure. come on.
No, he really didn't.
You must have had some very quiet philosophy teachers.
I agree with you
@@RalphDratman He said more meaningful stuff than most philosophy teachers :)
This episode is so thought provoking, I needed to pause and rock in my chair multiple times.
Same here buddy.
Me too, fascinating 🥰
Guy steals my words out my mouth love it
rocking in your chair is a sort of nodding with your whole body, you think? We nod with our heads to accept new information into our beings. Would a bigger nod, a whole body nod, serve the same function for bigger information? I certainly find myself pausing when I come across something new, something I need to reflect on, or play again in my head, but often I realize this information is new after i've paused it, that the mechanism for pausing is so embodied for me that it happens before i'm consciously aware the information is new. Weird stuff.
I’m still rocking 🙈🤘
this clip opens up w lex gazing at the ceiling and rocking in his chair asking if suffering is fundamental for happiness. this is the most lex opening jesus. if you're reading this lex i appreciate your podcast series very much please keep it up.
Thank you for the kind words, and it is true, this is how I spend 90% of my day: rocking in a chair, pondering if suffering is fundamental to happiness.
@@lexfridman keep on rocking on Lex! Thank you for doing this. Your pondering about suffering is defusing redundant suffering worldwide.
@@lexfridman I laughed my ass off at that comment, holy smokes is that a gem!
@@lexfridman In that case, I think, you could find Peter Ralston an interesting fellow to talk to.
@@lexfridman i just want to thank you for the knowledge i get from you. You helped my mind to satisfy many curiosities and questions, and opened up a lot of new interesting ones. You offered so much new topics to talk with my friends and shared a lot of knowledge for free, and really leaving a positive footprint in time and you have my full gratitude. if you ever need anything when you come to Croatia just ask, its the least i can do.
From all the Lex videos I´ve watched I think this one is where you can see his mind struggling and enjoying such struggle, not business as usual. Long live Lex and long live Joscha
and yours
I had to listen to this one twice. The Matrix brain cable got too hot.
Just on round two myself I fried my curcuits too😳
This was one of the most enjoyable podcasts I've ever listened to. Awesome as always!
This was your best podcast yet. I listened to it multiple times. You guys covered so many topics and this was my favorite part.
The cookie was tremendous. Joey Diaz.
hahahahahahahahahhahaha best comment!!!!!
This podcast was insanely thought provoking, thanks guys.
Wow! So much super great mind intriguing information in such a short time. Amazing stuff!
learned more from Joscha in ten minutes than I did in my whole school education
By far my most rewatched RUclips clip. It still blows my mind every time. Thank you Lex and Joscha! You are heroes of thought!
You can wonder why you're unhappy for months if not years and he puts it so perfectly. You're unhappy because you care about something that cannot be changed so care about something that you can change. So simple and over looked yet so fucking powerful #thatslit
Mind-boggling-bending-freezing interview!
You must have this man back in your show!
Lex, You are an AWESOME human! your podcast brings me joy.
What a nice thing to say.
I agree :)
I agree, but in this case he didn’t need to say anything. Just give this guy a little nudge and greatness comes out for the next hour or so 😄
I love how Josha explains it so common folks can understand the concept.
I think if you've never been exposed, or have a shallow exposure to some of these topics, it's gonna require a rewind, so the less articulated explanations he provides are great. Remember, Joscha has already been thinking and exploring these things for some time, so don't discount yourself as "common" if you feel like the topics are a little lofty. If you're watching these videos, odds are, you're probably not very common.
@@TheMrVogue
That is true. I need to learn other people's perspectives in order to implement his ideas in real life.
Unhappiness is when your brain adds raisins to that cookie 🍪
That's simple, thoughtful, and mind blowing approach to such a complex concepts ever!
"The environment cannot make you happy. It's your appraisal of the environment that makes you happy." - Joscha Bach
Joscha Bach should earn an idea density merit badge for this appearance. It will bear several more listening sessions. Thanks to you both.
i set my happiness cookie boolean to false to avoid the anger from getting my hopes up
Best guest to date Lex, I could listen to you both for hours..TY
Wow. So much to unpack in just this clip alone. I’m gonna watch it again.
"Suffering is the result of caring about things that you cannot change. If you are able to change what you care about to those things that you can change, you will not suffer."
Oh my god this guy is inspirational!
Lex gets the Most amazing guests and is an incredibly talented interviewer.
This interview blew my mind, I need to talk to this guy..
@Swoosh Swish About the nature of things :)
Keep up the good work lex! Big fan!
I want to say this is a very deep and awsome conversation and i have trouble keeping up. But i do tell people all the time, its simple, discipline, routine, healthy diet, stay busy, exercise. Thats it. But i do like hearing the science behind it. Thanks! 👍
Create. Everything else is to sustain creation.
His facial expression when he says something really fucked up mind blowing is so funny. I love how Lex has to keep stopping him like “ok hold on what the fuck”
Dude is so smart that he’s turning into a robot starting with his voice and calculated answers .
That's just being german.
His theory on the creation of life was mind blowing! I've never heard an explanation like that before. Very convincing!
yep, our dad was a gas giant. So profound.
"It's very hard to sterilize a planet once it's infected with life."
My chest swells with hope.
Thank you, gentlemen.
Such complex ideas but spoken so eloquently- notice he basically never stutters or goes “uhm” “ahhh” the concepts are so clear in his mind!
What a great conversation!
And here's another genius named Bach.
Apparently they’re related!
He is the prove that beauty radiates from the mind! Thank you for makes your thoughts available to us.
Sufferers, ASSEMBLE!
The complexity of the beautiful explanations of Joscha and how Lex patiently takes them and carefully aprehend them recalls me the conversations between David Bohm and Jiddu Krishnamurti in the 60's-70's of the previous century. Those were more metaphysical conversations, but that same mood is here imho.
"The childhood memories of a god" is such a loaded sentence...it filled me up with emotion for some reason. It hit me right in the creativity lol.
Somehow reminds me of the end of 2001: a space odyssey
ended just as it was getting to the best part! cant wait to have this guy on again
Joshua may be the smartest (or at least the most articulate) man alive.
If one day an alien live visits Earth, I want officially request Joscha to represent our civilization.
The dude has so much energy... like he was totally unphased by the sheer amount of dense concepts he was conveying.
He must have processed them many times in his head to reach this cognitive ease/coherence.
Best guest ever. What a mind. ⭐
Thank you Lex and Joscha for sharing your time and thoughts. It was facinating to listen to such a profound discussion! Joscha is a first principle grand master 🤯
This guy is the real Sheldon from Big Bang theory with German accent ;-)
I had to listen to this at .75 playback speed and the guy was still talking fast.
This is the one of the deepest set of things I've heard in a long time. Wow.
I wish there was someone besides my therapist that I could share this with.
@Lex Fridman, It's probably the most important piece of information I got over the last 20 year. WOW, I applaud to that. (gonna listen to this podcast now)
“Negentropy gradients” two words and they point to their own hour long conversation on one of the most important aspects of life
The meaning of life is to live it. That off course implies a lot of new questions, and this is , where the fun begins !
nothing new under the sun, this guy needs a hug...
This dude is something else
When watching this I feel I am in the presence of Greatness.
yet again a phenomenal talk, well done Lex.
Joscha is speaking like he has prepared this idea since years.
Well, he has. You can find at least 3 talks with slides from the Chaos Communication Congress when you look for "joscha bach ccc" right here on RUclips. Be prepared, the pace is even faster =)
I wish the interview focused more on explaining his viewpoints in layman terms instead of mowing us down with volumes of, what most of us would consider to be abstract for consumption.
Jesus, thank god. Not just me then? I watched the first 10 min and understood about 17% of what he was talking about.
I need this guy to talk to eddie bravo
Never thought of happiness that way
Interesting to hear the Solaris reference applied. I admit I've never read Lem's book or watched to 2002 Hollywood movie but Tarkovsky film next to Come and See is one of most intense things I've ever watched.
This guy speaks directly from the collective consciousness
Fucking Gold! Lex is getting better by the day!
thanks for a really interesting and a greatly conducted interview. a bit surprised by his dismissal and blunt psychologizing of nietzsche. but told with his accent it actually became a bit humorous :)
Thinking emoji
I couldn't keep up lol but i love this channel.
bru
baba booey
Do we say Illuminato? Kudos to Lex for keeping up the conversation with such a german enlightened spirit.
This guys just provided another pillar into the absence of free-will/simulation theory philosophical argument. The conceptual foundation for A.I. begins with the disintegration of this ego that drives culture and individualism alike.
This is an amazing clip, Joscha Bach just blows my mind! Our reality is the memory of a higher being/civilization that exists outside of time.
This guy is wild smart. I mean everyone who comes on this podcast is smart, but this guy is on another level.
" Take a cookie, as soon as your done eating it .... you will feel right as rain "
Lex “who planted the seed of the cell” Fridman
I’ll take God for $500?
💗
@Kargadan Yep!
"weell it's complex, so maybe something clever designed it"
"This means a specific strain of a particular middle eastern deity into whose cult I happen to have been indoctrinated since I learned to speak is the correct one. You're gonna burn pal."
@@Everheartt who is lol question form bur bur Sally category
God damn its great listening to people who I have many disagreements with but can’t wait to hear what they have to say next. You so often extract the best in your guests Lex. 🍻
This dude forced me to have an awakening and all I wanted was to eat this cookie.
This must be the first podcast episode that I have to listen at 0.5x speed instead of usual 2x speed
"And that's how the cookie crumbles."
Thanks Lex, thanks Joscha, inspiring and motivating to hear your thoughts and queries about science, life, and the universe
I thought my playback rate was 1.5 or 1.75
He speaks fast mannnnn
More cookies more of these talks please 🚀 awesome Lex & Joscha ✨👌🏼😎
Thaddeus Golas had this theory in his book " love and pain" arrived at in a different way. Purpose is to evolve, there is no plan - its completely wild but will evolves its own systems as it goes along. His smallest particle is the Atom, or the whole that can also a particle when contracted.
no rainbow keep watering, but human aspect is also curiosity and mischief, lower mind, but through suffering and regrets we realise higher mind, consciousness, oneness with all, harmony and happiness.
Your podcast makes my mind bake cookies.
Entropy extractor, Turing machine, self replicator. Do any of these include communication between a collection of cells?
Turing is the area of communication.
Wonderful clip. Tripped up on Bach’s intuition that abiogenesis is very unlikely, and that spontaneous intelligence creating cells as von Neumann probes and infecting planets is more likely. It seems like we don’t have any way to calculate either probability, so I’m very curious what fuels his intuition for this.
Great video
it's a nice sounding quote, but I think the sentiment is more like "happiness is _just_ a cookie your brain bakes for itself", cos cookies aren't important
This was super good!
Great channel, Grüsse an Joscha, sowas gibts bei uns leider nicht mehr...
The meaning of life is to live a life that is meaningful
I realized not too long ago that the external things I thought were making me happy were literally just me and my own actions/thoughts that which i had assumed was coming from external sources.
Very engaging content, thank you.
I was thinking about cookies 🍪 the other day. “We are just an expression of the cell.” Lex, this was fascinating! Such a unique perspective! A fantastic interview - thoroughly enjoyed this one!
To anyone who is new to Joscha, watch full talk and read his writing and follow him on Twitter. I find some of his comments on shaman rituals very skeptical but he is brilliant on so many levels. His thoughts on unstability of civilization and possible Pandemic breaking our denial was back in 2018/2019 have come alive.
yes cool..thx both. best duo .....ever...
I have no idea what he is saying, but I could listen to him saying it all day!!!
The idea of a sentient and intelligent planet is frightening.
thank you for these ideas of wisdom
"...happiness is a cookie that your brain bakes for itself..."
The throwaway deadpan effortlessness of the mid-flow delivery was so great that even on repeat viewings brings on a proper laugh and happiness...
...So maybe Josha Bach is a cookie my brain bakes for itself, or more to the point, my neural model of Josha, juxtaposed through my own model via executive function and irony feedback, is causing happiness spiking.
'Effortless Irony Edition' of Josha Bach AI plugin software masterpiece is going to be one of the most heavily pirated augmentations on the 2050 Aug black market amidst the distorted neon lead-lined back-room Tokyo surveillance loopholes.
In pursuit of happiness
The boy lost his way
By following what others had to say
When grown
The man found the unknown
Happy isn't really real
Just a fleeting fun feeling
Like the one that comes
When playing with a toy
A mirage that comes and goes on tippy toes
An imposter masquerading as joy
Exquisitely memorable
Nearly ethereal
But oh
Ever so ephemeral
Like a rainbow's pot of gold
This is such fundamental deep shit, im mindblown. Thanks