Pro-ject Debut Carbon EVO vs Fluance RT85 Showdown!

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Комментарии • 335

  • @vinyleyezz
    @vinyleyezz  3 года назад +14

    What Turntable Do YOU Have? Tell me below 😎👇

    • @Raidr5
      @Raidr5 3 года назад +1

      I hate saying this. But i only have a cr*sley. Good news I collect cds now. But im still interested in vinyl records.
      Edit: to clarify, myain focus is Compact Discs now. Thanks for the advice @Edward E

    • @KlasR82
      @KlasR82 3 года назад +1

      Sansui sr-212

    • @mlmiller4a
      @mlmiller4a 3 года назад +7

      I have the infamous Technics SL-1200....

    • @fhobbs4
      @fhobbs4 3 года назад +2

      I bought a Crosley C6 last year and, hear me out, it's great! I believe it's built for them by Pro-Ject. One of the best entry level turntables on the market. You should review!

    • @adrianstafford321
      @adrianstafford321 3 года назад +1

      I have a rega planar 2,lovely deck.
      Upgraded the cartridge,nice warm sound.Have owned this since 1995 and I'm not swapping..!
      Stay safe.
      😎❤✌

  • @MrCapi95
    @MrCapi95 3 года назад +93

    I got through half the video and it hit me. You’ve not actually tested the products yourself. Wtf, man? Just ask for some review samples. You are basically comparing two spec sheets and nothing more. I want real impressions. They could be built like a tank on paper, but be very flawed physically.

    • @nanchanger
      @nanchanger 3 года назад +6

      Only one is made in China, it should be a no brainer...

    • @roof8978
      @roof8978 3 года назад +8

      When sound is the most important feature it seems idiotic to review something based on specs alone.

    • @nanchanger
      @nanchanger 3 года назад +2

      @@roof8978 it's also pointless without same speakers

    • @athrocamtinian
      @athrocamtinian 2 года назад +1

      exactly... and the fact that he awarded zero point for the smart decision of not having any electronics between the cartridge and the output (i.e. a preamp) made me switch this off.

    • @jinxthehusky
      @jinxthehusky 2 года назад +2

      Just saying there’s an RT-85 *RIGHT BEHIND HIM*

  • @CHICO976
    @CHICO976 3 года назад +18

    you forgot to mention that the RT-85 has 3 cone shapped feet that makes it sooo easy to level and that it has a head shell for ease of cartridge change

    • @s2photo
      @s2photo 2 года назад +1

      The project also has three dampened adjustable feet. Also a TPE isolated motor mount and a carbon fibre tone arm. This is actually a pretty poor comparison, and it’s obvious he hasn’t listened to the tables side by side.

  • @brandonlewis5108
    @brandonlewis5108 Год назад +5

    I really want the evo but the autostop is what’s splitting me

    • @courtneydacuk
      @courtneydacuk 6 месяцев назад

      I am split between this too!

  • @TBNTX
    @TBNTX 3 года назад +3

    Jared, you awarded a point to the Evo at 1:02 in the video because it could spin 78 RPM shellac records. You probably already know this, but one should use a stylus specifically designed for shellac records, and not the same one used with vinyl records Shellac records will damage the stylii that are designed for vinyl records, so adding a stylus that is explicitly designed for 78s will add expense.
    If I wanted to spin shellac records, I would probably use a different turntable equipped with a different cartridge and stylus altogether. I have some very old shellac records that were given to me from my family, but I doubt that I'll play any of them.

  • @brochg
    @brochg 3 года назад

    I do have a quick question here. Would it be advisable to put a Nagaoka MP110 on a U-Turn Orbit?

  • @mrq1701
    @mrq1701 2 года назад

    A point for available colors? Really?

  • @arielargo
    @arielargo 3 года назад +81

    This is a very superficial comparison. What about difference in tone arm quality, build materials, removable headshell?

    • @Santiaguilar98
      @Santiaguilar98 3 года назад +23

      This channel is ass if you’re a true audio enthusiast. Watch Andrew Robinson. Modern TRUE hifi enthusiasts that hits all those points

    • @arielargo
      @arielargo 3 года назад +25

      @@Santiaguilar98 It's not ass. Let's not insult. We're all civilized here. This is fine as an introduction to vinyl on a few videos I've seen but clearly not indepth in certain topics. I also follow Andrew Robinson, he also gave a good review to the Fluance RT85.

    • @roof8978
      @roof8978 3 года назад +11

      ...or how about a comparison of SOUND, the most important feature. It's hard to do that when you're just spouting off specs on something you've never seen before.

  • @shaunjp2211
    @shaunjp2211 3 года назад +10

    Sorry I’ve watched this video to the very end and Come to a conclusion. It’s an utter waste of time!
    How can you possibly review a thing by just reading from a spec sheet.
    A cheap turntable could have the same features as an audio file turntable cost many hundreds or thousands.
    But build quality, better quality parts and how it sounds are most important .
    Bearing this in mind the evo is by definition a far better sounding source, almost as good as a Rega P3.

  • @fernandoreyes680
    @fernandoreyes680 3 года назад +22

    I love how he always gives points for them not being Crosley cruisers lol

  • @jeffsloane8628
    @jeffsloane8628 2 года назад +14

    I have a Project Debut Carbon DC with a few upgrades and like it very much. Between these two I would go with the Fluance for five reasons. 1) Acrylic platter 2)Speed change switch, rather than having to move the belt 3)Auto stop for those times my wife or kids start a record and then get distracted 4) Interchangeable head shell and 5) recessed area on platter for record labels.

  • @fhobbs4
    @fhobbs4 3 года назад +19

    Song of the day: Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey - Paul McCartney

  • @TopGoudaSelect
    @TopGoudaSelect 3 года назад +26

    I’ve had the RT85 for the past year and a half and I’ve absolutely loved it. A beautiful centerpiece for my media center as well

  • @GlassJack
    @GlassJack 4 месяца назад +2

    This video is the result of comparing 2 turntables that you clearly haven't tested and know nothing about aside from info pulled straight from the spec sheet. Skip this one, folks.

  • @christopherklinck
    @christopherklinck 3 года назад +82

    While I appreciate the approach, I don’t think color options should be a “point.”
    My “point” is only that, most of your viewers are looking for advice, and you (like myself) have been doing this long enough to know that it’s about the build, quantity and quality of the unit, cartridge, etc.
    We have mirrored personal turntables, as it happened; like you, I went from an upgraded/hot-rodded LP120 to the Fluance RT85.
    I looked at Project and Rega both, along with Fluance, but for the important things, Fluance was just much better for the money (from cartridge to the far better wow and flutter rate to auto stop); it was just undeniably better, and somehow cheaper?
    All that I’m trying to suggest is that, while I think most of your comparison videos are accurate, the color thing needs to go, if you’re indeed trying to steer folks to the top get table.
    Fashion is fine, but this is a function over fashion choice, imho.
    *none of this is meant as a knock on Project or any other table…I’m just suggesting that the other stuff, is the important stuff, so if someone’s just looking at a scorecard, they might not be getting the best review (if and when color options are a consideration on said review).
    Just a couple of unsolicited two cents.

    • @williamjoelserson4898
      @williamjoelserson4898 2 года назад +4

      You're right. I don't think he has the knowledge or experience to offer a real comparison. It's just "One's available in yellow, so it gets 1 point". :)

    • @BootieChugger
      @BootieChugger 2 года назад +4

      You wrote all of that because of its aesthetics 😂

    • @ncexnyc4466
      @ncexnyc4466 2 года назад

      There are a ton of audio components out there with near exact specs and pricing so why shouldn't color/aesthetics come into play when making a purchase?

    • @christopherklinck
      @christopherklinck 2 года назад +3

      @@ncexnyc4466 bc if you know about what is important for a quality tt, you know color is irrelevant. I have both a Pro-Ject, and a Fluance. The Pro-Ject is the better build, and the Fluance offers more features. I opted for the fluance when I first upgraded, but later switched to the Debut Evo. For most people, the Fluance will not only be adequate, but meaningfully impressive. Full stop. Most listeners won’t ever need more, and there are other links in the chain that can be addressed later, if they aspire for a bit more?
      What bothered me about this shootout, was it was done on specs, feature sets, and color (the last of which was actually in favor of my preferred of the two).
      The point is simply that he upgraded and chose the Fluance, as I did, and it was feature set based; he can’t be expected to buy both just for the sake of review, as it would come out of his own pocket, right?
      Having now owned both, the Pro-Ject is 100% a better built tt. It’s a deck that can be further upgraded via cartridges, platters, and sub-platters to name just a few, but they do cost money, and for most listeners, that upgrade path and price is unnecessary. They’re not wrong; I’m not wrong; you’re not wrong.
      But. If the mission statement for the video is to give advice to those looking for it based on quality of sound and operation, affording points based on color could effectively tip the scale if someone looks at the final score. I think colorways merit mention, but as an aside, rather than a point of value judgement.
      Hopefully that further explains my point of view? Best to you. I’m no troll, and am a fan of his content, I simply wish this was removed from the “point” category.

    • @ncexnyc4466
      @ncexnyc4466 2 года назад +1

      @@christopherklinck Fair enough and thanks for taking the time to respond. Hopefully nobody spends close to $500.00 based on one person's review.

  • @matthiasmichaelis4971
    @matthiasmichaelis4971 20 дней назад +1

    Yes, the article is old, but... You make a turntable comparison without ever having heard both turntables? OK... Brave.

  • @analoguecity3454
    @analoguecity3454 3 года назад +21

    It's best to use an external preamp, its always better than what's built in!

    • @RUfromthe40s
      @RUfromthe40s Год назад

      never noticed that ,in early 70´s when pre-amps were installed on medium range turntables there was no problem of having built in pre-amps ,only a technics sp-10 had a outside pre-amp for mc cartridges

    • @maximesteinebrunner9941
      @maximesteinebrunner9941 11 месяцев назад

      finally someone said it

  • @TheRealKaner
    @TheRealKaner 4 месяца назад +1

    Tell me you know nothing about turntables! " years ago", give an update.
    What have you learned?
    78...yes it may be able to play that speed, but you'll need a specific cartridge/stylus. So, not a win!
    More colours, does not equate to a win!
    You've not heard both cartridges, they are not equal.
    No pre-amp means you get to use (a) the one in your amp (b) any pre-amp you want....that is not a bummer!
    You know nothing about audio.
    Auto-stop...have you even read any articles regarding the Fluance auto-stop!
    USB - you're not getting this are you!
    No extraneous noise!
    These are meant to be an introduction to audiophile turntables.
    Tell us you know nothing about owning a turntable!
    No mention of the ability to change out the headshell on the Fluance, or whether having a solid tonearm is better for having less mechanical/electrical interference.
    GRRRR!

  • @johnboudreau842
    @johnboudreau842 Год назад +2

    all your doing is telling us the same stuff the advertisements tell us. I'm done

  • @wyattmerrill2588
    @wyattmerrill2588 3 года назад +9

    I’m upgrading from the AT60 that I’ve had for 5 years. I’m going with the RT85 mainly for the auto stop. I’m always doing dishes or cooking while I listen to records and I can’t always get up and stop it.

  • @mattydread6618
    @mattydread6618 2 года назад +5

    Tonearm - interchange of heads for cart? Feet - can they be adjusted for leveling? I know Fluance can do both. I would say this is more important for points than colors.

    • @loudiamonds1217
      @loudiamonds1217 2 года назад

      You can adjust the feet on the Evo and you can also change out the cart on the evo. It's a wash there.

  • @mikerosevear3264
    @mikerosevear3264 3 года назад +12

    hi great video one thing the rt85 has over the evo the removeable head shell makes it easier if you wanna up grade the cartridge later have a great week

    • @adama4791
      @adama4791 2 года назад

      Changing a cartridge from an upgrade perspective is not very difficult. Honestly unless you’re doing it every week or you constantly switch between 33/45s and 78s there’s no practical value

  • @zangsax
    @zangsax Год назад +1

    Why give "points" for dumb stuff like color etc?

  • @latheofheaven
    @latheofheaven 3 года назад +2

    "The cartridge is the little box..." Geez man... I know you're trying to make a nice comparison here, but Bro, seriously, it's about at the level of a 5 year old. Sorry man... and your slightly sing-songy cadence probably doesn't really help either along that line. I guess for ABSOLUTE beginners this might be a help, but dude, for anyone with any audio experience whatsoever, I'm sorry to say but it is kinda painful to get through... Sorry about that mate, that's just not what I'm really looking for in a review where I am seriously considering the differences between equipment.

  • @soopy1975
    @soopy1975 3 года назад +5

    Also depends where you are. Here in the UK Fluance are not in the shops so would be extra for delivery

  • @dennis2494
    @dennis2494 3 года назад +6

    probably should add a listening test with both turntables using the same cartridge

  • @cat_bicycle12
    @cat_bicycle12 3 года назад +6

    Jarrett, do you REALLY pass the vibe check?

    • @vinyleyezz
      @vinyleyezz  3 года назад +2

      I do 😎👍

    • @cat_bicycle12
      @cat_bicycle12 3 года назад +1

      @@vinyleyezz lucky. I've been trying for months now, even bought a bunch of records lol

  • @sonlighter01
    @sonlighter01 2 года назад +1

    You spent a lot of time talking about features, but never even touched on sound quality!

  • @edwarde5452
    @edwarde5452 3 года назад +5

    The EVO comes equipped with a modern microgroove stylus (LP stylus). While the EVO will play 78 rpm, the factory installed LP stylus is not suitable for old shellac records as they used a wide groove stylus (or needle). Modern microgroove 78s will play just fine with this table.
    I'm also surprised you didn't mention that the EVO has a one piece carbon fiber tone arm. Many argue that that makes a turntable sound much better than other tone arm configurations.
    For me personally, if the Fluance had 3 speeds and the color options that the EVO has, then the Fluance would be a no brainer. I find tone arms which lack a removable head shell (such as the EVO) to be unnecessarily tedious any time you want or need to replace the stylus.

    • @cobrakill4636
      @cobrakill4636 3 года назад +1

      Replacing the stylus os easy, it's removing the complete cartridge that's a little bit of a hassle. No features at the cost of performance though!

  • @fighting17chicago
    @fighting17chicago 2 года назад +5

    I decided on the Evo from local shop recommendation. When I bought it I also got the Acrylic Platter, and a heavy puck. I couldn’t be happier with the purchase. The 85 would be nice too, but with just a little in upgrades I think the Evo checks more boxes in capabilities. The weight of the turntable is not, IMO, an actual feature. Isolation from vibration externally is more important no matter the weight, so getting an isolation platform for either will improve performance greatly.

  • @salimadam104
    @salimadam104 3 года назад +1

    This is a bit of a pointless video if you’re simply going off spec sheets and can’t compare physically, mate.

  • @52lefty
    @52lefty 2 года назад +4

    Very nice review. One comment, on the cartridge points, I feel that the RT85 should have been given the point, as it includes a higher $ value. The Sumiko is $149. and Ortofon Blue is $250. Sound is subjective, but dollars are dollars!

  • @adg1390
    @adg1390 3 года назад +6

    I couldn't be happier with my RT85, the price really scared me at first but after I bought it the quality of everything in it amazed me.

  • @moussatawakol8987
    @moussatawakol8987 3 года назад +6

    I’ve had the rt85 for about a year now and I love it. Sounds great and it looks absolutely stunning. 10/10

  • @Raidr5
    @Raidr5 3 года назад +7

    Song of the day: Heartaches - Al Bowlly.

  • @MrSuper83
    @MrSuper83 3 года назад +3

    Forgot about the “Tonearms” :(

  • @bobriedel3277
    @bobriedel3277 2 года назад +1

    Really? A point for color choice? How about which one SOUNDS better? That's kinda the point.

  • @mikeharutunian3463
    @mikeharutunian3463 2 года назад +1

    You haven't heard the Eve turntable? What's the point of reviewing it, then?

  • @jaraujousc
    @jaraujousc 2 года назад +4

    I'm not interested in upgrading. I just want something that sounds great out of the box. With that in mind, would the RT85 be a better option than the EVO in terms of stock value, sound, and performance?

  • @TrebleWoofer1
    @TrebleWoofer1 7 месяцев назад

    I too can read reviews and spec sheets off a website and make a video. Have you actually LISTENED to either of these and made an informed decision? This isn't very useful my good sir

  • @AndyP126
    @AndyP126 3 года назад +4

    You should include wow and flutter in these showdowns

  • @bumblerer
    @bumblerer 3 года назад +4

    I miss the autostop feature on my pro-ject debut carbon dc. It came with an ortofon red cartridge however which is great! I'm not a fan of built-in phono preamps so I directly bought an separate unit.

  • @Dave-if5qj
    @Dave-if5qj 5 дней назад

    The Reiner cartridge
    Is a warm sounding cartridge
    Compared to the 2m blue

  • @nathanielmencer4489
    @nathanielmencer4489 3 года назад +2

    Song of the day Your song=Elton John

  • @Danny.1.007
    @Danny.1.007 4 месяца назад

    I bought the project debut carbon evo and lots of upgrades in the black friday sales over the moon with the project it sounds fantastic, i really like the Fluance rt85 but for 1 thing which is a dealbreaker for me is that i dont like the belt being on the main platter they are supposed to be kept ultra clean and free from dust and being on the outside it gets dirty and if you have small children its a magnet for them to touch and pull but other than that its a lovely turntable.

  • @jimwhitman3678
    @jimwhitman3678 3 года назад +3

    Ima a diehard 1200 fan. Good review though 👍

  • @donaldgervais1836
    @donaldgervais1836 3 месяца назад

    Hi, nice comparison. The Fluance should get a point for it's removable head shell

  • @kadersarikaya5994
    @kadersarikaya5994 Год назад +1

    I know alot of people like the RT85 for its automatic stop function.. but if you are looking for good sound quality and build, the evo's arm is much better than the rt85's arm. It's carbon fibre, the top turntables use! Plus if you like acrylic platters you can upgrade that on project carbon evo. I would personally go for the evo, but the RT85 is still a good deck.

  • @ericlunneborg907
    @ericlunneborg907 3 года назад +2

    So my wife and parents got me a ProJect Debut Carbon DC EVO for my birthday. That is currently what I'm running. I personally love mine. The first song I played on it was "Sirius" by the Alan Parsons Project. That should be your song of the day.

  • @SeanBradford89
    @SeanBradford89 3 года назад +29

    No points for the industry-leading carbon fibre tonearm? That's surely gotta be worth something. Also, the upgradable sub-platter and platter ability of the Evo is great. Yeh, you get the acrylic platter with the 85, but no sub-platter upgrade leaves it a little behind (as the 85s platter goes straight into the bearing on the plinth so no second layer of dampening there).

    • @kevingoodwin5177
      @kevingoodwin5177 3 года назад +3

      Can you change the head shell on the Project ? I am not sure... but the Fluance comes with a head shell that is easily removable... easier to change cartridges. You could even but a second head shell and easily swap between the two, with separate cartridges on each one. Both are great turntables by the way.

    • @tremoloman
      @tremoloman 3 года назад +2

      @@kevingoodwin5177 No, it is part of the tonearm. Pro-Ject states that having more options on a table leads to additional and unwanted noise. The Sumiko Rainier is a great cart and sounds awesome. I have an ATLP120USB with a 2M Blue on it and the EVO blows it away in richness and full balanced sound. You can't go wrong with either table IMHO - they are just different beasts.

    • @cobrakill4636
      @cobrakill4636 3 года назад +2

      @@kevingoodwin5177 removable headshell means slower transaction between cartridge and tonearm. I never cared for it being removable since it sounds worse.

    • @Randy-cf4ve
      @Randy-cf4ve 3 года назад +2

      Based on the grading scale, it should be worth at least 2 points... Maybe he's trying to justify his purchase of the 85.

  • @translatesspanish6178
    @translatesspanish6178 3 года назад +2

    Song of the day: rainbow kitten surprise - goodnight chicago

  • @christophervehon9554
    @christophervehon9554 3 года назад +8

    I went back and forth on these for weeks when I was looking to buy a new table. I ultimately went with the EVO as the tonearm is superior, and can upgrade to pro-jects acrylic platter in the future.
    Great breakdown of these great tables!

    • @loudiamonds1217
      @loudiamonds1217 2 года назад

      You can upgrade several pieces on the evo that you can't on the Fluance. The platter, the sub platter, and the power supply can all be upgraded, and you're 100% correct concerning the tone arm as the tone arm on the RT81 and the RT85 are the same so that alone is a HUGE advantage on the Evo.

  • @zamaurijones2725
    @zamaurijones2725 3 года назад +2

    Song of the Day: Goodbye Look by Donald Fagen

  • @JR-Canada
    @JR-Canada Год назад

    Is this a paper based comparison that ANYONE who can read can do? Where’s the actual turntables? Do you have them PHYSICALLY, or are you just a very well articulated narrator? Show us the product. This looks like you don’t own any of the items you’re “reviewing”.

  • @rjdingle9494
    @rjdingle9494 3 года назад +2

    Both of them......... Are not Crosley Cruisers.
    Cracks me up every time! Lol

  • @craigneumann78
    @craigneumann78 2 года назад

    Aweful. Nothing about audio performance review between the two. Anyone can read a spec sheet and compare and contrast. Only interested in how they sound.

  • @Clacker7
    @Clacker7 3 года назад +2

    Song of the day: Don't - Ed Sheeran

    • @vinyleyezz
      @vinyleyezz  3 года назад +1

      Hey Clacker7! Thanks for being here! 👍

  • @bobbarksofficial4335
    @bobbarksofficial4335 3 года назад +3

    First

  • @TheSoundrookie
    @TheSoundrookie 3 года назад

    Jesus Christ, haven't we passed the kindergarden yet? To say it very simple without beating around the bush; Build in pre-amps sucks, and USB sucks - Therefore they both should get points simply for not having that crap build in, because quality turntables don't. All due respect to those who happens to be pleased with build in pre-amps. The point is not to step on anybody's toes, because everyone has to start somewhere. The point is the simple fact that serious turntables do not have build in pre-amps. They should be given points for being quality, and not be judged from an entry level point of view.

  • @ThePuffGD
    @ThePuffGD 2 года назад

    It's a shame I think the Fluance RT85 is really ugly...

  • @sskwhiteshadow
    @sskwhiteshadow 2 года назад +1

    Kinda sad they didnt go into the carts and talk about upgrade path. As the Carbon EVO comes with a Sumiko Rainier cart that is more warm. The best part is you upgrade your sound with just a simple styli upgrade.
    You can go from the the Sumiko Rainier to Sumiko Olympia or Sumiko Moonstone or even the BRAND NEW Sumiko Wellfleet. The Rainier, Olympia, Moonstone & Wellfleet replacement styli are interchangeable making it a great turntable for future upgrades. Let alone the better tonearm on the Carbon EVO
    Now the 85 does come with the the nice acrylic but you can upgrade on the EVO for that. It does come with the 2m blue cartridge which sounds great but not as warm (i prefer a warmer tone)
    now the new Fluance RT85N with the Nagaoka MP-110 cart (warmer tone), this would be more up my ally but still prefer the Carbon EVO as it gives warmer tones i prefer and gives you a way better upgrade path with the cartridges to the sub-platter and platter.
    I think the EVO should get this due to upgrade path as the whole auto stop feature is nice but for 40 bucks get a Q UP.

  • @geoffgero6081
    @geoffgero6081 3 года назад +5

    Horrible review. You didn't mention any of the really important specs like frequency response, wow/flutter, and signal to noise ratio. These are things that actually effect the sound quality.
    The Evo has a frequency response of 15-25khz, the RT85 is 20-20khz.
    Evo is 0.17% wow/flutter, RT85 is 0.07%.
    Evo is 68db signal to noise ratio, RT85 is 65db

    • @birrialover
      @birrialover 3 года назад +1

      Which is better though?

    • @theophicen7850
      @theophicen7850 3 года назад +1

      Wow and flutter is always the most annoying, so the fluance is the one.

    • @TheSoundrookie
      @TheSoundrookie 3 года назад +4

      Dude, on this channel these things doesn't matter. If a turntable has pictures of Barbie dolls on it, it's certain to win any "review".

    • @TheSoundrookie
      @TheSoundrookie 3 года назад +3

      @@birrialover The one that comes in most colors of course. That is so important for the sound/build quality.

    • @geoffgero6081
      @geoffgero6081 3 года назад

      @@birrialover For me it’s the Evo, it is capable of reproducing sounds both higher and lower than the RT85. The wow/flutter and S2N are very comparable you’ll probably never hear the difference.

  • @biswajeetsatapathy9532
    @biswajeetsatapathy9532 Год назад +1

    I have both and these are awesome depending on what you are listening to. RT-85 is more detailed. I definitely like the auto stop feature in Rt-85 because I always fall asleep. Evo is more refined and that's probably why you lose some of that extra details that you get out of RT-85. Your score of 9 & 10 is appropriate. I still like both.

  • @kaidamon2701
    @kaidamon2701 3 года назад +2

    Song of the day:
    Where dead angels lie by dissection

  • @ryanz4772
    @ryanz4772 3 года назад +1

    Rega would disagree with you in regards to heavier=better. Ignorant statement.

  • @iamarawn
    @iamarawn 3 года назад +5

    If I buy a 500 buck turntable and it has a preamp build in, I'm dissapointed.

    • @cobrakill4636
      @cobrakill4636 3 года назад

      Exactly

    • @fernandoreyes680
      @fernandoreyes680 3 года назад

      Why

    • @iamarawn
      @iamarawn 3 года назад

      @@fernandoreyes680 because that means I can't put a good phono amp on it. There are so many phono amps out there that are way better than an internal one.

    • @fernandoreyes680
      @fernandoreyes680 3 года назад

      @@iamarawn But you can turn it off and connect an external preamp, right?

    • @iamarawn
      @iamarawn 3 года назад

      @@fernandoreyes680 without a soldering iron and some headdache? Usually not.

  • @rmzidann
    @rmzidann 2 года назад +6

    The Fluance has greater mass, better platter, better feet adjustment, better cartridge and the auto stop feature. The Project has the better tonearm.

    • @Opossum_queen
      @Opossum_queen Год назад +1

      Plus, the fluance actually performs quite better.

  • @MG-wi1eq
    @MG-wi1eq 3 года назад +1

    Song of the day: Slowdive - Sleep

  • @johnboudreau842
    @johnboudreau842 Год назад

    neither has a pre amp then take 1 point awayyyyyyyyyyy duh

  • @MuzikJunky
    @MuzikJunky 3 года назад +1

    To commemorate the passing of Biz Markie, “Make the Music with Your Mouth, Biz” as the song of the day. Peace.

  • @edwardgonczy3170
    @edwardgonczy3170 3 года назад +1

    Perhaps you should mention that if a novice LP player and collector and if you should find a 78 RPM at lets say "Goodwill" and you are just curious as to how they sound, if you play that record with a standard stylus such as the Sumiko Ranier or the Ortofon 2M Blue, you will literally tear it to shreds and hence, the demise of your cartridge. I'm not convinced that 78 RPM capability is all that great a function and actually invites the potential for disaster! I own a really old Linn Sondek LP 12 (got it used from a friend 30 years ago) which has gone through several clinics and upgrades but already, these are outdated. It really is a great turntable but just getting too pricey. I own a Thorens TD 206 (one of the modern ones - gloss white) with an Ortofon 2M Blue in a 2nd system. Very fond of it but I don't think the new Thorens line is doing very well against the likes of Pro-ject and Rega so not sure how much longer they will be around. The vinyl revolution has brought some amazing turntables to market but I'm sure there are going to be casualties.

  • @vasilisn53
    @vasilisn53 Год назад

    regas beat everything in this category

  • @Raidr5
    @Raidr5 3 года назад +2

    Would you be qble to do a video on 3 inch cds?

  • @stephenlockhart8293
    @stephenlockhart8293 2 года назад +1

    How so you not discuss the cartridge that comes with these turntables? Perhaps the most important feature.

  • @yamilestrada4203
    @yamilestrada4203 3 года назад +1

    I DARE YOU TO REVIEW A CROSLEY C100(I like your hair)

  • @TRamone01
    @TRamone01 3 года назад +1

    I have the RT85 and am sold on the acrylic platter and Ortofon Blue cartridge. Purchased separately the cartridge is expensive.

  • @THEBATMAN28AHH
    @THEBATMAN28AHH 3 года назад +1

    I don't have any good experiences with 45's. Every one I've owned has always sounded terrible, no matter how much I try to clean them. I avoid them altogether, sadly.

  • @davethestalker
    @davethestalker 3 года назад +1

    Aftermarket acrylic platters are available for Pro-Ject (and Music Hall) on eBay and Amazon.
    78’s require a special cart!!! Those records will destroy a standard 33/45 cart.

  • @honestlyforreal6304
    @honestlyforreal6304 2 года назад

    Could speak slower so I can keep up plz

  • @bashcrash9148
    @bashcrash9148 3 года назад +1

    Song of the day - “Sweet Emotion” by Faith No More

  • @manipulator4535
    @manipulator4535 3 года назад +1

    Song Of The Day: Constant Disasters - When Particles Colide

  • @Vince_Tasciotti
    @Vince_Tasciotti 3 года назад +1

    For me it's the Fluance RT85. Because a friend of mine, swears by his.
    Better to swear by your turntable, than to swear at it - as you will with a Crosley Cruiser.

  • @IamthNight
    @IamthNight 3 года назад +2

    Thumbs up for the TOOL shirt 🙂

  • @laika25
    @laika25 Год назад

    My God, who needs 78?????

  • @johnrampoldi
    @johnrampoldi 3 года назад +2

    I own the Pro-Ject Debut Carbon EVO in walnut.

    • @thomaswilson4441
      @thomaswilson4441 3 года назад

      That thing is sexy, how did you level it

    • @johnrampoldi
      @johnrampoldi 3 года назад

      @@thomaswilson4441 the top shelf of my stand can be levelled since it sits on adjustable nuts & bolts. I levelled it using a carpenter's level. I made sure the 3 adjustable feet on the turntable were at their lowest points. I then put the level directly on top of the turntable & it didn't need adjustment.

    • @thomaswilson4441
      @thomaswilson4441 3 года назад

      @@johnrampoldi thanks for your response, I had the same thought with a carpenters level, and I’m practically sold on the pro-ject, but was unaware of the adjustable nuts and not sure if there was a built in level like other turntables have.

    • @johnrampoldi
      @johnrampoldi 3 года назад

      @@thomaswilson4441 just to clarify, the adjustable nuts are on on my audio rack, the turntable's level can be adjusted by turning the 3 feet

    • @thomaswilson4441
      @thomaswilson4441 3 года назад +1

      @@johnrampoldi understood thanks for that

  • @len9518
    @len9518 3 года назад +1

    Nice video, but minor disagreement as to a heavier table being better. This is true MOST of the time, only. There were/are some lightweights that are truly excellent.

  • @jgator909
    @jgator909 Год назад +1

    I love my RT-85! I’ve owned it for 4 years now. Your comparison of different turntables helped me to pick the RT-85. Much appreciated!

  • @madmanmike1980
    @madmanmike1980 3 года назад +1

    Song Of The Day: Eye In The Sky by The Alan Parsons Project.

  • @Mountbatten286
    @Mountbatten286 3 года назад +1

    Hey Jarrett! Here is an idea, I noticed that people use bookshelf speakers more often for vinyl. I was wondering if you could make a video if you should use a bookshelf or tower speakers for vinyl.

  • @jchbros1788
    @jchbros1788 3 года назад +1

    Almost like being in love - Frank Sinatra

  • @TBNTX
    @TBNTX 3 года назад +1

    Asking this, Jarred: Does the Evo have four leveling feet like other turntables, or does it use the three leveling feet like the RT85? For me, the three-feet leveling system on the RT85 made things very simple to balance.

  • @FaustieMo
    @FaustieMo 2 года назад

    HOWEVER

  • @inakidb
    @inakidb Год назад

    Nice comparison, but I'm not agree with the point for the playing speed, 78 can not have a point over the others, because the 78 are rare and only for collectibles or nostalgic. its too specific.

  • @lukeanzilotti9090
    @lukeanzilotti9090 3 года назад +1

    Song of the day:
    Pogo-Flux

  • @B_man-ny7ob
    @B_man-ny7ob 3 года назад +1

    Song of the day:
    She's not there - The Zombies

  • @bigchimpin4215
    @bigchimpin4215 Год назад

    I don’t think this guy actually tested them… the platter on the evo is 1.7kg the platter on the rt85 is 1.5kg. The weight on the evo plater is distributed more along the edges creating less more stability than an evenly distributed acrylic plater.
    A couple other things this dude said didn’t jive either.

  • @Stealther
    @Stealther Год назад

    Thanks we can read the spec sheets of both turntables too. What value are you adding to it? SMH

  • @ronschultz6336
    @ronschultz6336 Год назад

    Hello Jared, I’ve got a question about a preamp, I’ve got a pioneer turntable model # PL-400 hooked up to my Sony receiver STR-DH 190 & I think I need a preamp cuz I have to turn up my volume to like 50 to play my vinyls records & when I play CD’s….. I need to turn the volume way down 😞 any recommendations for a preamp??

  • @RUfromthe40s
    @RUfromthe40s Год назад

    i own a pl-15 and a pl-12 from 72 and 74 from pioneer, also a SL-1200 from 72 and a thorens professional range from 1970 ,later i bought a SL-1000mkII ,a SL-3310 in 76 from technics also a pair of SL-1200mkII(for my work as a dj for 35 years( they never gave me problems) from 78 maybe ,also a plc-590(or close) and a PL-560 from pioneer these from late 70´s, in early 80´s i bought a thorens TD-something and a Dual that came with a ortofon OM type but with dual written on the cartridge, only in the 90´s i bought a dragon from nakamichi and a grundig conesseur built by thorens with ortofon mc type needle ,also had for a short period of time a pioneer PL-430 from 83 if memory doesn´t fail me , it was good and well built but i heard from others that it gave problems in the anti-skating function like from one section of an Lp it started to not allow the stylus to go till the end but either than that was heavy and had a very dynamic sound with a audio-technica stylus , some do not know that A.T. was considered one of the best brands in the world for stylus and cartridges. 70´s audiophiles used a lot expensive cartridges and stylus from A.T. also Shure

  • @ecschwalbe
    @ecschwalbe 9 месяцев назад

    The counterweight is for anti skating - it's purpose is to counteract the tendency of the needle to be thrown towards the edge of the record due to centrifugal force. Tracking force is set at the rear of the arm and remains constant.