Comandante C40 MK4 Review
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Here's our in-depth review of the Comandante C40 MK4 (@ComandanteGrinder ).
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Timecodes:
0:00 - Hook
0:10 - Title B Roll
0:44 - Disclaimer
0:56 - Introduction
1:16 - So What's New?
6:06 - Action Required
6:23 - Recommendations
7:21 - Our Wishlist
The intro was the best sequel to the dark night I could have asked for 😘
I have the MK4 for over a year now. Use it several times a day, almost every day. It is my only grinder. Most of the time Espresso, rarely filter.
I love it.
The plastic cup still looks pristine, don‘t worry about it.
Retention inside the chamber is almost zero. All gets stuck on the outer side, which can be easily brushed. So a brush would indeed be a great add-on.
So I will focus on the negative aspects:
1. it is hard to get a grip if you have small hands.
2. If you brew Espresso, buying the optional „Red Clix“ is a must. I wonder why it is not standard
3. there is no numeric marker. So if you frequently shift from one coffee to another, you might get confused on the current settings. I almost never go all the way to zero, but simply try to remember „this one uses 3 clicks less / more than the other coffee.“ you must remember your last cup.
Last but not least, if you prepare Espresso for more than yourself, consider an electric grinder. My worst nightmare is when I have > 3 guests and they all wish a coffee. Now I am browsing for an electric one.
Note: it is tempting to attach an electric screwdriver to your Comandante. The high speed makes the beans pop (they don’t go properly through ) and you feel like your beloved grinder will go bust. This is not an option…
that intro! also, agree...the sound that the comandante makes...theres something very nice about it!
You guys make the best coffee related videos. Keep it up!
I love your videos man. Fun, informative, high quality :) keep up!
Production quality is TOP!
Love your funny content! Keep the great work 👍👍👍👍
Thank you!
I love your subtle humour
im excited, i just ordered my first comandante but i realized i may need the Red Clix to finalize my all-around off-grid coffee grinder once and for all. i plan on doing some turkish coffee and spro, so i will need accurate fine grinds for sure
Excellent review 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙏🏻
I have Mach 3 but definitely, I will buy this one for one reason only - I love acid coffees like Ethiopia 🇪🇹 and good luck trying to put those small beans in Comandante (you will fill first the ax 🤫)
Grinding for espresso is a killer job... 😅
In rest, is an extraordinary grinder for 3 years 🙏🏻
Those cinematics 😍
Thank you for the funny review!
Really fantastic algorithm! Happy with my Mk. 3 indeed, though that bracing geometry is indeed pretty cool :). I've found that using the jar to dump the beans into the top-then giving it a violent shake-is enough to to abolish the bean prison.
Yup that's the technique a lot of ppl use :) Works great.
I do that too! :)
Algorithm... what was I even trying to type? Introduction? 😭
Things We Missed:
1. The price of the MK4 is around ￡220 in the UK, $ 350 in the US and ₹22,500 in India.
2. A few people have mentioned this is the comments already and we forgot add this to our 'Wishlist'. It would be great to have a better way to track clicks and avoid having to go back to zero so often.
3. The MK4 comes with a nice vegan felt pad to keep the grinder on and you also get a rubber grip band.
Good feedback about tracking clicks, and we get it :). Not always easy with so many brewing methods and coffees! But I do believe that this technique >>> ruclips.net/video/UN1X4ELC3-o/видео.html
@@ComandanteGrinder Hey Joe, yeah this definitely helps and makes it quicker for sure. We have an in-house method of tracking too, which we'll be sharing quite soon. :)
@@aramse Great, look forward to seeing it!
@@ComandanteGrinder is there any plan you guys sell only mk4 new frame as spare parts? 👀
@@adityancandra9711 No, sorry 🙃.
That opening shot 🔥
Lmao!! That hammer scene got me. Awesome video, and thanks so much for this review
love this channel
❤️😂👍
Great intro 👍🏼
Week 3 with the MK4.
First 2 weeks was ok but not mind blowing. Coffee was only somewhat better than what I was used to.
Then the bag of coffee, which was kind of mediocre, ran out and I opened a new bag of an old favourite.
That first taste stopped me in my morning shuffle across the kitchen. I said words that violate one of the commandments.
It was so much better than what I was used to from that particular coffee, that it was hard to believe it was the same one.
So, beside being damned to hell for eternity because of the commandment thing, I'm very happy with my purchase.
Thanks Aramse for your quality video! Love them ! I have the Mk.3 and I am pretty happy with it! Wish it could be faster as an espresso drinker only. Somtetimes thinking of acquiring a K series from 1Z... What do you think ? Thx
Haven’t been able to get our hands on a K-Series grinder to review but we’ve heard great things.
Great video. I just came across it by chance. Im so happy i did. How does the k pro compare to this grinder? Is the C40s burr that much better?
Hey thanks! We've heard great things about the K-series burrs but haven't had the chance to try them yet.
Oh i am seriously considering a purchase after hearing your verdict. Not sure how much it costs here in Malaysia though.
Our partners Cloud Catcher can surely help you out :).
Thanks for your support!
Good video, as always. Love my MKIII, I really do, but like Arian says above, traceable clicks would make it so much more friendly. I just don't want to have to go into zero to check if that cup I made yesterday was 16 clicks or was that the one from the day before? People with bad memories shouldn't be punished!
Hey there Richard, perhaps you might find this technique useful for a quick dial-in -- I use it to work out my grind setting in a matter of seconds :)...
ruclips.net/video/UN1X4ELC3-o/видео.html
Thanks for your support!
Best,
Joe
Super!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello. Backlash of the millstone on the axis of all Comandante coffee grinders?
Plastic catch cups have been available(3rd party) for years. It's not a proprietary size. I even have an airbrush with the same sized cup🙃 It is glass as well though
Yup we've seen third party ones too although the plastic on this is much higher quality and seems like it'll last a lot longer.
@@aramse I'm guessing it's acrylic which is why it needs to be so thick. The other plastic ones I've seen are polycarbonate which definitely aren't breaking. But polycarbonate yellows over time. Acrylic doesn't, but it's not as strong so it has to be much thicker
I think the only thing you forgot to add to the wishlist is the traceable clicks. It is really hard going back to zero point to dial in for the new coffee.
Haha you beat us to it. I just remembered an hour ago that I'd forgotten to mention this and was going to add it into a pinned comment. :) Luckily the Comandante doesn't have THAT many clicks when compared to say the J-Max, so we actually have a pretty simple way of tracking without having to zero out the burrs. We'll be make a Shorts tutorial on that soon, so stay tuned. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@aramse notebook for counting clicks?
@@aramse Thanks Guys, I really love your videos and the attention to details that you have.
Hey there, perhaps you might find this technique useful for a quick dial-in -- I use it to work out my grind setting in a matter of seconds :)...
ruclips.net/video/UN1X4ELC3-o/видео.html
Best,
Joe
It's really easy to get back to zero point by holding the adjuster and rotating the crank. Also, I'm surprised how no-one highlights the fact that adding 2-3 fewer beans e.g. 17.6g rather than 18g is an easy option for dialling in espresso without further investment in the red clix upgrade.
I have Comandante Mk4 & 1ZPresso J-Max. If I have to choose 1 between them - Comandante every time.
Evolution not revolution is the way luxury products evolve.
I love my mark 3 version and this is a nice gradual move. When something is almost perfect it's not smart to change it to much.
How would you compare this to the 1Zpresso J-Max for filter coffee brewing? Which one would you pick for everyday brewing? I realise that the J-Max leans more towards the espresso but I was hoping to get a comparison between this and the top of the line of the 1Zpresso J series.
For pour over we'd pick the Comandante over the J-Max. The burrs on the C40 will give you a lot more nuance and clarity in the cup. The J-Max is an excellent all-rounder that really excels at espresso and the workflow it offers it pretty unmatched.
@@aramse Thank you so much for a quick response!
The K-max might be a more obvious choice for coarser grinds - I wonder how that compares?
@@ylleKkcirtaPnadnerB I agree - the K-Max looks very appealing as well with a burr set that seems similar in design to the C40.
What the heck is it with everyone saying, "Hit the Like and Subscribe buttons"? I get so put off, and NEVER subscribe to such channels. Ever.
Excellent video, btw, and concisely informative
It takes A LOT of effort to make this kind of content and people tend to forget to like and sub. Unfortunately it has a huge impact on how the RUclips algorithm views the channel.
„Bean prison“ 😅
i mean, you cannot recommend a comandante for filter coffee? do i get this right?
We cannot recommend is ENOUGH. The Comandante is excellent at filter coffee.
@@aramse ok got it
Hey @Ārāmse i upgraded my mk3 to mk4, but i found that the cup quality is very different.. my new mk4 tend to gives bitter and astringent taste..
What o you think? Is it possibly caused that the burr need to be seasoned?
Most likely grind setting and seasoning. Our MK4 at the same setting grinds coarser than the MK3 so yours is maybe finer. And yes you need to run some coffee through it before the burrs become consistent.
@@aramse yes it might be, i used to get my best aeropress coffee at 20 clicks, now using mk4, i have to adjust it into 25 clicks, but still it tends to gave bitter and astringent, i'll try to seasoned it witj more coffee then.. hope it works
Jx-max or comandante mk4 with red clixx ?espresso only , chassing the best taste ?
Comandante = more clarity, slightly less body
J-Max = sweetness, texture and less clarity
So depends on preference tbh. If you like darker roasts you may prefer the body you get from the J-Max, which works well with dairy too. If you're brewing more medium and lighter roasts and you're looking for clarity and flavour separation the Comandante for sure.
@@aramse finally the first usefull reply i got on this 😅 thanks ! In fact i rencently aquired a jx-pro and i love it ( im an home roster and i do espresso / milk drink only ) . I like lighter coffee but still not so light that beans have not puffed out , so i would say i usually roast the lightest medium i can to get those beans to expand so the extraction is done correctly ( at least imho) . I want an hand grinder at home and one at work , i dont like having to constantly taking it with me . In that case maybe having 2 grinder from different brand could be usefull since i also use a lever machine at home but a pump oone at work
@@aramse i ended up buying the comandante after your advice , with the red clix .... ho boy ... what a mistake ... i dont know what is the hype around this grinder ? Maybe its good for filter or pour over , but that grinder is absolutly not in the same range as the jx-pro for espresso . First in my opinion, the burr are way to smalls so it take like 5x the time to grind a shot . Than the red clix ... that thing give you 15 microns adjustement , so let say about 8-10 seconds of extration time at 9bars per clic ???? When the jx-pro is at 12 microns per clic and the jx-max at 8 micron per clic ... so basicly i paid around 450$ CAD for a grinder that doesnt do anyware as close as my 170$ jx-pro does ???? Im currently trying on returning it to the store to get a jx-max or kinu m47 classic ... and even the built quality is not as good as my jx-pro ... thats was a complete misstake
@@The_Coffee_Rabbit_Hole hey there, we're sorry you've had a bad experience but we clearly mention the Comandante is very slow at 6:57. We even mention this in our review of the J-Max. But we still stand by the fact that shot for shot the C40 will give you more clarity and nuance in the cup than the JX Pro. That's not to say it's better as taste is subjective and there are several that prefer the cup profile of the JX. Hype only lasts for a short period of time but this grinder has been considered the gold standard for hand grinders all over the world for many years now. That being said, we hope you're able to return it and pick up something better suited to your espresso workflow. It's such a popular grinder that you should be able to sell it for near full price even if you're unable to return it.
@@aramse well its really all the down sides adding up together that made this grinder obsolete for espresso ( price point , step adjustement , verrry slow ) ... i really think it was the gold standard because of the lack of serious competition and this times is finish . They will have to put larger size burr and smaller step adjustement from the factory or they wont last , not for espressso tho ...just my opinion tho , om sure i wont loose much $ on this but still now i know that it not for me 😅
I've watched every video on the C40 but never got around to buying it, primarily because of its price tag.
Yup you definitely pay a premium. We were on the fence a few years ago and the things that tipped us over were:
1. The promise that the burrs would outlive you and your children :)
2. Stainless steel burrs that don’t retain odours so we’ve used ours for pepper a bunch of times and had no issues switching back after cleaning it. You also don’t have to worry about moisture contact like you have to with many other grinders.
3. It’s a small family business run by someone with a real passion to create an excellent product.
4. It just delivers in the cup and that was our highest priority.
Just know that you'll never have to buy another grinder ever again (as long as you take care of it)
@@aramse Thank you!
I guess I'll be saving for when the MK4 comes to India!
@@aramse how do you guys justify the insane price of this thing, i can get a fellow ode and a set of replacement burrs for the price of this hand grinder
@@yashbagri6264 Check with our partner Benki Brewing Tools :). Thanks for your support!
why tree not three?
this or j-max ? Watched both of your videos and still indecisive...
and it's sad that to be able to grind at espresso thickness and get precise, I have to buy another accesory like redclix..
they should have include the red clix already
Agreed
Although they say the burrs are the same, if you put the mk3 and mk4 burrs side by side you can see that the mk4 burrs are larger :)
Hmmm that’s odd. Ours are identical but for some very minor manufacturing variances.
It depends a little when your Mk3 grinder was produced :)... The burr size is definitely the same though (burr exit) :).
Thanks for your support!
Some constructive criticism for you guys, its weird to look at a review for a product and not have the price (maybe i missed it) mentioned or see the product actually in use, a taste test would have been nice, we are kinda taking your word on everything you say here, i trust your guys opinion but something to maybe note for next time
Hey Elliot thanks for the feedback and you're right we missed the price and will be adding it to the pinned comment shortly. As for the taste test we did several for a lot of our other videos including the recent J-Max review. The MK4, however is an incremental upgrade, that has the same burrs as the 3 so it felt a bit redundant to do taste tests on this one considering how many MK3 reviews there are on RUclips already. So we just focused on the changes they've made.
@@aramse thanks for the reply, I love what you guys do, keep up the good work :)
Lets be more transparent and honest here. Why would you buy MK4 when K-plus is 100$ cheaper, much easier / faster to grind, produces less fines (more consistent) and has unique burr that adds delicate touch of acidity that MK4 does not. My brother runs a specialty coffee cafe in Subang Jaya and he rarely uses his MK4. This is something to ponder before you proceed to buy MK4.
Thanks for watching. We haven't had a chance to play with the K-Plus yet but we've heard great things. As for Comandante, it's not just what the product delivers but what the brand stands for.
It's the other way around for me in Germany, though. I'm pondering exactly that choice. Comandante is $50 cheaper than K-Plus. I can get Comandante either locally in a store or with ~1 day shipping, while 1zpresso is only available from abroad with unknown shipping time (est. 6-9 days) and likelihood of import charges, making it even more expensive.
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