Libertarian National Convention 2024 | Part Of The Problem 1126
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2024
- Dave Smith and Robbie The Fire Bernstein bring you the latest in politics! On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave and Robbie recap the events from the Libertarian National Convention this past weekend, Discussing the speeches from the event and future of the Libertarian party.
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As a registered Libertarian this party is a joke
The LP exists to suppress the freedom vote. It's a group of people who claim to understand how to make things work the best, but manage to do it the worst. I paid money to be a card carrying (l)lbertarian, but seeing the nucleus of the party scream and yell at Trump who said he would give positions of power to the LP in his cabinet/admin... I realized the LP has no way forward as it's more concerned with being the most open boarders dumb dumbs than actually getting in a position of power where they can roll back that power. The LP leaders are fakes.
Fuck it might as well vote Trump
LOL you registered as a libertarian. 😂
Let's face it .. Rectum Wall is not that appealing either, the name alone is a bit of turnoff ..
@@Cactus_hug Lol, you almost said something funny!
As a Libertarian. I’m voting for Trump. There really isn’t any other choice.
I tend to agree. I’m a big fan of RFK Jr on some stuff (in reading his book now on Fauci which I highly recommend to everyone). But after the shame trial on Trump, that’s motivated me to vote for him in support.
Please explain how Trump supports Libertarian ideals.
@@Nurdaholicplease explain how the libertarian party nominee supports those ideals? 🤡
I’m going Trump because I feel like he’ll make the concessions necessary to bring the Ukraine war to an end. Plus the weaponization of the DOJ has just been really eye opening and he’s the best available for the issues that I care the most. I wish there was another candidate RFK’s too green for me and I just can’t do 4 more years of Biden .
@@Nurdaholic he’s not Biden. Thats the bar, it’s pretty low.
How did we manage to nominate a worse candidate than Jorgensen.
Because the worst candidate offered the cop a bribe, and the cop being a fucking cop, took the bribe. You know, because of how principled he is and because of how he cares about his past allegiances.
Today's Libertarians are bought and paid for just like Republicans and Democrats.
bc libertarians are life long losers
Because Dave Tom and Jeff have better things to do
Still the best candidate on the ticket.
Libertarian party: boos Trump for not being Libertarian enough
Also Libertarian party: elects a socialist
😂😂😂
As a Gen Z, Dave is to me what Ron Paul must've been for him and so many others. My worldview has completely shifted over the past few years as a result of this podcast and guests like Scott Horton and others coming on. Prior to covid, I was bought in wholesale to the neocon, right wing, perspective and I feel so ashamed for supporting forever wars and policies that have bankrupted and eroded our country. Dave and Rob both were a huge part of getting me to that point and I can't thank them both enough for their work on this podcast and being willing to put a lot on the line to tell people the truth.
Same
After the Mises caucus took over this party really turned into a shit show. It was a gay Commie or a former commie. Clint, who has a show with Ian Crossland, was the VP choice. That says it all.
Same
I'm a Millennial and Dave did the same to me. Conservatives are so brainwashed that they don't even understand the points I bring up
Gen z, same.
It’s not Dave’s fault that he didn’t run. It’s his fault that he didn’t make sure that there was an actual quality candidate to take his place.
Rectenwald was good but he kinda came out of nowhere. He doesn’t have the charisma or name recognition that Dave has
That Rectenwald was unbelievably not made to move people, I’m sure policy wise he was great… but he was as exciting as an empty box, and I’m not a cat.
Who exactly would you suggest? I can't think of one. Clint Russell is possibly a better option - certainly a better communicator, but I'm not convinced he would have won, given his VP performance. Someone like Jeff Deist would have been awesome, but he's obviously not interested and is busy in his new career.
@@patrickh3525He is a Ron Paul when it comes to policy but a zero with charisma. I’m really bummed out that he pulled that shit at the convention even though it reflects poorly on Dave for backing him. I think Dave was desperate for a replacement that he felt would make up for him not running. Think it was a bit optimistic.
Still going to watch every PoTP and Skanks episode. Hell, still a GaS digital subscriber. I feel like Rectenwald is a very likable guy but he Rec’d Dave’s credibility more than the Regime lol
Anyone who thinks REC was a good candidate is delusional.
That 💩 show was the definition of “squandered opportunity“
The Libertarian Party never fails to squander an opportunity.
Too much hubris self-righteous arrogance.
LoL. For real
Not over yet. The entire Mises Caucus could sign a partition saying we will vote Trump if he meets certain demands. That is almost half the party and still a strong leverage.
Dave should be leading that with his Vivek contractions rather then giving up.
@@skylanh4319 this is another dumb aspect to Lobertarians-believing a con man will keep a promise to you.
It was an embarrassment for the party
I don't think anyone knew that it COULD have gone this bad.
My first introduction was Jo Jorgensen's post supporting BLM back in 2021. I dismissed the parry until Dave came around and peaked my interest. God bless him for trying to reform that hot pile of baby garbage.
@@buckatoms *piqued, not peaked.
@keeleye7225 I'm a mountain man. We spell it, "peaked".
And I thought the loser in his underwear was the low point, what a naive child I was
New word: Conservatarian. "Conservatives need to learn a Libertarian lesson, and Libertarians need to learn a Conservative lesson." Here it is, folks.
Okay everyone, the party's over... You dont gotta go home but you cant stay here!
The entire Mises Caucus needs to sign a petition saying we pledge to vote Trump if he meets our demands.
Why is Dave not leading this? He knows Vivek who can get in Trumps ear. We have half the party. That is still a strong leverage. We might still be able to get a few things.
By party, you mean the USA right? I wish I were joking.
I thought of myself as a Libertarian, then I watched the convention, and was like nope ... independent for life. It was really unclassy and unnecessary how they treated a former president who wanted to extend a hand. Not attaching myself to that clownshow of a party.
It cemented for me that a libertine merely masquerading as a libertarian for the appearance of virtue to hide contentiousness and degeneracy, and genuine libertarians of the Misesian and Rothbardian tradition, are two entirely separate things.
He wanted to take votes AWAY from the Libertarian Party. 😂 He got his ass handed to him instead.
@@sthubbins4038 sure pal. You tards really did it.
facts
@@CTomCooperDegeneracy has little meaning in a world of paper money. The country, if the collective term means anything, embraces degeneracy as a monetary system.
This won't end until the food isn't on the shelves.
Dang, this whole episode sounded like “I’ll always love you, I just can’t be IN love with you anymore.”
😆
For those of you wondering what "reasons" Rectenwald had for his poor performance, he was high. He took an edible, apparently not knowing when the next interview was.
He had the voice of RFK jnr and the charisma of Ron Desantis even if he was by far the best candidate
It was political malpractice of Dave and company to back that man for president. They set their party and movement back.
shit like this is why I'll never register as anything other than independent, I'm tired of my political affiliation being tarnished because of idiots
@@dominickschrute3084It’s all just so bizarre to me. The fact that they all endorsed this guy seemingly out of the blue, and then Dave couldn’t even get himself to address any of the legitimate concerns about rec.
something always seemed off about the whole situation, and it’s clear there’s a lack of transparency. Dave’s endorsement of rectenwald always seemed disingenuous, which is odd coming from someone who always seems to be up front and honest with his audience.
@@dominickschrute3084 agreed. I had hoped the Mises caucus could turn the libertarian party into something worth supporting. After the convention I don't believe that's possible.
The LP needs to be reformed as an LLC so the CEO can recruit talent, and physically remove the crazies from the shareholder meetings.
THIS. Hoppe approves!
Then it can immediately be indicted on criminal campaign finance charges by the FEC. BRILLIANT PLAN.
Based
@@DoctorMandibleacceptable loss.
I actually quite like this idea on a few levels.
I can’t imagine a worse candidate for the LP than Chase.
Bill Weld
I can't imagine a candidate that illustrates my long existing problems with the Libertarian Party better. ...Though from what hear Rectenwald wants a little of that negative libertarian attention also.
I can think of 2. RFK and Donald Trump
I'm Libertarian, not A Libertarian. But was registered as one. As a Misus Caucus aligning, I agree whole heartily with Dave Smith. The Libertarian nominee does not share our/my views and I will not support the Libertarian nominee. It's a sad day when I saw Dave drop his candidacy and Chase take the nomination. That guy is an embarrassment to the LP.
All you have to do is not capitalize libertarian to make your point.
@@mattkirby994 And yet, you missed the whole point
Vote trump
@@brolim. Have you seen the news lately? That might not even be a possibility. But I'll write him in if Vivek is his VP or top cabinet position...
@@seanschriver1543yeah Vivek seems to be more libertarian than most libertarians! I like him a lot.
The Mises Caucus showed me that while I'm not a libertarian, I had a lot in common with you guys. When Dave didn't run for president I'll admit I was really upset about it, but was still rooting for the MC. Winning the election with your "team" is great, but I want to vote for something I believe in, not for the lesser evil. Mr. "Armed & Gay" isn't for me, and as an armed & gay man I don't like him. Anyone who supports private businesses requiring a vaccine to enter their establishment is my enemy. Anyone who supports grown men in drag being around kids is my enemy. I'm also not an open border suppporter. I've argued & debated with conservate friends of mine whenever they talked about libertarians because I knew there were common sense ones in the party. Now I can't do that. Hopefully things get better in the LP in the future. I'll be keeping my eyes on it.
The Mises Caucus is pretty much the one good thing in the LP, despite the absolute dumpster fire that was the convention and is this years nomination.
In principle private businesses should be allowed to require vaccines. That said, they never did before covid. Yet people like Chase expect me to believe they reached that position entirely of their own volition and not due to the incessant propaganda of the cathedral and the threats of the state. It is fucking absurd and I wish people who called themselves libertarian would stop running cover for the state in that kind of situation. To use a tired comparison, it is like being in 1935 Germany and saying "Private businesses should be able to bar Jews from entering their stores". It is completely useless to say because we're not actually talking about free markets, we're talking about a situation where a totalitarian government is propagandizing people to behave a certain way and treat a subset of people as the other. Progressives like Chase are an embarrassment because they speak in platitudes about state power, but will always fall in line in the most important moments on the most important issues while using libertarian principles as a cover for the state. It is really despicable.
this all just convinced me that the only workable form of Libertarianism is anarchocapitalism. Dave was the only man for the job and this is what happens when great men don't rise to the occassion. You lose it all. All that energy and optimism gone in a day.
From the start the Mises caucus was always about helping candidates win local elections, which they are doing. A democratic republican is going to win the presidency no matter who the LP candidate is. You can still join the Mises caucus without being in the LP
@@bigz5262 do you think that the shitshow LPNC, which garnered national attention, is going to help or hinder the Mises Caucus ability to win local elections? People already thought we were a bunch of pot smoking loonies. Chase Oliver wining the candidacy and Rectinwald eating an edible at the convention is helpful at all
Libertarians are finally in the news and we look like a bunch of idiots.
Thats the only time the LP is ever in the news lol
Drunk from smelling our own farts?
Nah more like a bunch for 6 year olds having a tantrum
Yall look that socialist convention with the inside voices
Dave Smith in a suit and tie might be unstoppable.
I think his time is coming
Let him wait til his kids grow some. It goes by fast.
Dave is still so young. Who knows what the future will bring.
I’m just grateful Dave’s out here talking truth, whether through politics or comedy.
@@brendanriley1968 we need more people like him for sure
I would love to see him run
Not a trump supporter but that was embarrassing. Why invite someone and boo him relentlessly? Like him or not he did raise a few good points, Free Ross, no cbdc, no lockdowns, no wars, a libertarian in his cabinet, etc. What are libertarians looking for? The perfect candidate doesn't exist. Get what you can.
And then you nominate, Chase
He already locked us down once lol
booing trump wasn't embarrassing but nominating chase was wtf were they thinking they must have been infiltrated by the gay deep state
The issue is he never keeps any promises. If he actually ends all of our wars, I'll happily admit I was wrong but he's already been president. He did nothing helpful.
@@Lips420 Actually, he didn't lock anyone down. The lockdowns were orchestrated by the state governments.
@@Lips420 Wrong, as you libertarians typically are. Blue governors locked down states, Trump did not. He left it up to them, which is what you dimwits ask for.
Dave and Tom Woods convinced me to register as a Libertarian. This hurt. Dave, you’re awesome. Don’t let this defeat your spirit. This is a set back, but hopefully you’ll regain some footing and come back strong.
Exactly. You have to deal with some losses, and keep pressing forward.
I totally agree with you saying they should have given Trump respect when they invited him to speak. If the libertarians want to be heard, they need to act like adults.
We need to roll back the LP
Really. That was embarrassing and the candidate they nominated is horrific. Why would anyone vote for him over Biden? They hold the same social and cultural views. Oliver has internalized every "stylish" leftist trend set by the leftist elite. The man is a degenerate.
nice
Based!
There is absolutely NO way Trump will work with Libertarians now after those headlines.
Sad because that means Trump will end up being the same as he was last time and the government will grow and our ideas will be pushed back under the he rug.
@@skylanh4319 Good I will never vote for that Fraud again.
Dave had nearly convinced me over the last couple years to become a card carrying registered Libertarian…..never going to happen now. I hesitate to even mention the word libertarian now…
Closet woke leftists. What a fall from grace the libertarians of America have become
Dave's unwillingness to say Rectenwald was a bad candidate is concerning. I know he's very loyal to his friends, but there has to be a lessen learned here. Rectenwald had 0 charisma and was a terrible communicator, which is EXACTLY what we don't want in a presidential candidate.
Now Rectenwald (and Heise) has been throwing a tantrum and blaming everyone else for the loss, which makes him look even worse.
At the end of the day, Joshua Smith was a better candidate and would have had the best chance of winning with the Mises Caucus support. I have to believe that Dave knows this.
Couldn’t agree more. I listened to him on Tim Pool and he could barely handle getting pressed by a friendly interviewer.
Rectenwald was a Marxist communist 3-4 years ago. 2016 was the peak of the libertarian party.
The way Dave has never addressed any of the concerns with rec or even hinted at him being a sub par candidate always rubbed me the wrong way.
One day, seemingly out of the blue, he endorses this incredibly uninspiring candidate who he’s never even mentioned before and never mentions outside of talking about the LP. After all this talk about powerful messaging they choose this incredibly weak communicator. To me, there is clearly something else at play that isn’t being disclosed.
But chase Oliver though? That’s crazy 😂😂
Yep. It’s honestly kind of embarrassing for Dave that he can’t just admit it
Dave I love you, but you're dodging just how bad the Rectenwald thing was.
Don't worry about it Dave, the Dems never would have let you become the nominee of their controlled opposition party.
Neither would the LP
I don't think he ever wanted to?
This is where Libertarians fail. They can't see the bigger picture. The LP needs a coalition with the republicans and eventually take over. Running independently will never get you anywhere. Play the game and then change it.
Yeah too bad we can't have your antifa loving open boarders trans kid guy, that would be soo much better derp!
I think you have it backwards, if anything they’re republican controlled opposition. Most of the libertarians that don’t like Chase will end up voting for a republican. If they were democrats they would have nominated a right winger to win republican voters
Austro-Libertarians are the inheritors of an exceptionally venerable tradition of ideas, that is noble & beautiful. And that carries with it a grave responsibility, we must be true to that inheritance.
If MC was to be anything more than a flash in a pan then it needed to stand on its own. It's not a movement if it can't persist without Dave feeding it introvaneoulsy.
Good insight.
👏 yes
“It’s over, we lost, let’s move on” No Dave, sorry, that’s how we keep losing. We need to actually analyze & understand WHY we lost, so that we can avoid repeating our mistakes. And by “we” I mean you and anyone else who inexplicably thought Rectenwald had any merit as a political candidate or felt that his debate performances were even remotely decent.
Absolutely this.
"Oh the candidate we hate won the nomination, let's just abandon the party and do our own thing " said no neocon ever
Rectenwald being high while in interviews was not a good look. First time I saw him making a first impression was on Timcast, and he looked rough. I’m glad that he was anti-woke. That’s a big plus in my book. But that cannot be your biggest selling point coming from years back during one’s academic tenure.
People hate us because some of us have been hateful to them. A hater from my delegation jumped up and gave us double middle fingers when Chase won. Our chair had been openly snide to him at state convention. We think they are stupid, and we show it. Progressivism wins because it sounds kinder.
@@aaronc4899 Those kinds of edgy types are habitual gaslighters, if flipping others off is there go to. The best way to deal with that behavior though is just to freeze it out and ignore it entirely.
I've learned quite a bit about the Libertarian Party this past week, and it looks and sounds as awful as any other party. I hadn't realized Dave was an outlier. Create your own party, Dave.
Welcome to politics! It's all 💩!
There was no one better suited for the Presidential nominee of this party in 2024 more than Dave Smith. In hindsight, he moment he decided not to run was a death sentence for this party this election cycle.
@@jacobdavis3876 I agree. The most talented and qualified people are rarely in politics. It sounds like Dave thought politics was his destiny, but then he became too successful and wasn't as committed to the party as he thought.
Dave's not really an outlier. He's part of the 40% of the party who's mises but don't do anything between the exciting parts, another 50% is non-mises who also don't do the work, and then there's the 10% who's mises and actually get shit done. If Dave had actually stuck to what he promised we'd be in a much different place
The libertarian party has failed. Unite and takeover the Republican Party to the degree possible. Imagine Vivek & Dave as the 2028 ticket.
been thinking that for a while
Same and I’m a reactionary but there is no third reactionary party so it’s better to take over the Republican. Unfortunately that’s what has to be done. The alternatives suck.
We already control the libertarian party it is foolish to leave it for a party which is (still) controlled by people like McConnel. For sure vote trump or Kennedy over chase but we should still aim to be the vanguard party that pushes the gop to be better
dude they would for sure have to hire a pmc to protect them lol threat level alpha to the establishment lol 🫡
@@jdavies1995 that’s where I’m at
The problem with people like the thong guy is that they think that since libertarians support individual freedom somehow that implies that they have to go out of their way to me as ridiculous as possible to assert that they are using that freedom, and if you aren’t 100% all about them doing what they want to do somehow it means you don’t care about freedom at all… It’s a weird thing about the modern libertarian subculture that I never really understood.
Mises Caucas needs to found it's own party. There are too many of us out here who are sick of the shitshow.
Where does the MC stand on all the woke stuff?
I havent paid attention to the LP since the Jo BLM nonsense.
Showing up high on edibles to give a speach after the ex president of the United States really screams class and promotes yourself as someone to take seriously....
To be fair, look at who the ex-President was 😂
@@sthubbins4038 fair point.
Is that the bush he was beating around? I missed it. Fill me in?
I was there - his after-speech press conference was mortifying. And I'm in the MC. We really needed a conciliatory response to Trump's speech to show MC's willingness to form coalition. Instead we got a mindless display of TDS by Oliver and ter Maat.
@@donnyst.pierre3820 exactly what I said. He took edibles before he went on stage and zoned out, babbled a little and walked off.
You didn't let anyone down. I've disillusioned with the LP forever. If they can fuck it up, it will be fucked. Spread ideas no party politics.
And who can forget on remember, remember the 5th of November 2007 the Ron Paul Money Bomb when we raised over 4 million dollars in a single day for Dr. Paul. Small dollar donations and in the very early days of internet fundraising. What a freakin day!!
Taking an edible before such an important speech sounds like he wanted to lose.
Fuck dude. If Rectenwald had an ounce of ownership Dave does he would still have some of my respect
How’s he reacting or responding to the results of everything after the convention?
Yea, I haven’t seen Rec take any responsibility on Twitter. Would have a lot more respect if he did.
That moment when you realize "Rec the Regeme" turned into "Bitch and Complain on Twitter" real quick
Dave will now become the establishment just like everyone else.
The leftist infiltrated, subverted , and "wrecked the regime" , the LP .
Kinda funny Trump was the biggest winner from this, and all this just reaffirms why I haven't been a Libertarian since 2014, it's just too soft an ideology to stand up to or defeat Cultural Marxism, or even the uniparty establishment.
@@refugeehugsforfree4151 go away bot
Dave, you have completely inspired me to become a libertarian. You are like my Ron Paul. I am just so blown away by your knowledge on geopolitics in the affairs of our government. It’s really opened my eyes.
Well enjoy the Chase Oliver's and Jo Jorgensens
When you grow up, you'll realize that Dave is full of crap.
@@AnthonyGargini what has he gotten wrong?
@@AnthonyGargini list what he is lying or mistaken about.
@@AnthonyGarginiComplete nonsene
You kinda tease people and took us all for a ride Dave.
Props to Dave for taking responsibility. I’m really not trying to criticize him, I understand putting family first and all that, I would put my family first but Dave’s right, the takeover failed n it’s largely bc of him being wishy-washy and then eventually not running.
You’re the man Dave!!! And you speak for over half the population of America 🇺🇸 we appreciate your service!
Should've been behind Josh. We all knew it was a messaging campaign, and you need to have a communicator at the top. Everyone was saying this for months on end. Rec would've been fine behind the scenes as a VP, but Clint still would've been better there anyways. I'm very disappointed in the Mises Caucus.
Dave Smith not running in 2024 is my version of Ron Paul not winning in 2012
As a Libertarian I am voting for Trump this time for these three reasons:
1. Promised to put Libertarians in his administration.
2. Promised to pardon Ross.
3. He is now a Felon.
Voting for Chase would be wasting my vote. At least voting for Trump we have a chance to put a couple of Libertarians in his administration, and pardoning Ross. Plus getting a Felon voted in as POTUS is the classic American Underdog story that I am not going to pass up.
This is kind of heartbreaking here in Dave talk like this.... I joined the party personally because the mises causes is took over, and I'm not looking to leave. Win some lose some
Well, you can always come back in 4 years.
Stay a loser or join the red wave you decide
@@Uarehere and get that sweet 3%
Feel like there's no hope with where everything is going. You have an important role and gift Dave. We need you out there!
The libertarian party just went through a messy regime change . I don't think we should expect it to be completely solid. Have patience. Be persistent. Build a strong foundation.
Maximum cope
Major respect to Dave for saying this. It’s honestly been my issue with libertarians as a formal political party for a while- a whole lot of political larping from people who would prefer to revel in the superiority of their arguments rather than actualizing anything meaningful. If libertarians want to move the needle, flood the republican zone and form a Libertarian caucus. We have the winning ideas capable of shifting policy conversations in a way that moves the needle. Just get a few seats with the right liberty minded butt. It diminishes the socialist agenda and actually turns the GOP into a viable instrument. Libertarian pragmatism- either that’s the agenda or we’re all just an Ayn Rand book club that likes to grumble and elect Portlandia characters to embarrass us every 4 years.
The problem with the LP is leaders like
Dave, Jeff and Tom have better things to do than run. We need LEADERS not TALKERS
I’m rocking with team Dave!
Whatever Dave does if he stops with the libertarian party, he's gonna succeed phenomenally
All people gotta do is be honest and educated, and Dave's got both of those
From one parent and liberty patriot to another... Family 1st, having been there with children in hospitals ...you have to take care of your family and yourself BEFORE you can help outside organizations and people. You have definitely done us Libertarians proud!!! You and Robbie just keep speaking the truth!!!
The Patrick debate brought me here. I am so impressed by your sincerity, straight shooter style and candor. So refreshing in these day and age.
Who is Dave Smith to call the party and it's efforts a failure?
He is an leading advocate, but not a leader. He abdicated that years ago. Sure, he had his reasons, but he did significant long term damage to the movement and these are the echos. He doesn't do the leg work, he's an advocate.
If he wasn't going to step up to the needs of the moment like he did, he should have propped up Clint Russel or someone before just trying to quietly duck out of the things he set in motion. Instead he just dropped everything and disappeared, then reemerged with the story of his son and catching covid. You knew you were having a child, you dont think you could have spent those months leading up trying to make the next "Dave Smith" to pass the torch to?
Thank God for Angela McArdle. How she was able to do what she did when Dave slinked away JUST as things started to take off is incredible.
Now you declare "failure" like this is just some unfortunate turn of events and not consequences played out in a 4year cycle.
Get to work or get off the pot. You dont get to abandon ship when you took the helm.
Maybe (part of) the problem is that the libertarian movement is that it flounders without a Ron Paul or Dave Smith. If the bench is that shallow, then that's a problem.
I'm glad all of you are doing super well! The country will be just fine...
Learn from Ron Paul’s legacy:
He genuinely, fully abandoned the authoritarian-Republican party and anti endorsed the Republican party both times he ran for president. How is Dave Smith not learning from what we’ve _already_ done??
The problem here is that Mises was trying to skip the step of being nationally recognized by taking over a party that was already nationally recognized. The results would be similar had it been another 3rd party. They need to create a third party of their own. With a unified message on the biggest of voting issues. Time to establish the Mises Party.
Here here! 🎉
I just wanna know how the libertarians expect to be treated differently from the Biden campaign if your leader lines up on all his policies.
Its the LP. That distinction is important. That said, it sounds like the majority of the party will be voting for trump. Possibly RFK, but any way, its possible chase will steal some dem votes from Biden. Looks like trump might actually win
He also lines up in San Fran bathhouses.
Dave. Worst choke job since Buckner. You do own this. So many people now simply talk for a living.
The audience at the nation convention was exactly why I consider myself a small l libertarian
I like Dave Smith, but c'mon, man. He admits to this current situation being his fault for stepping back and being less involved. Then turns around a few moments later and says he is going to be even less involved with the party "because his involvement isn't helping them".
Dave started this whole takeover and legitimately failed to follow through. He failed everyone in the LP who counted on him. This is very pathetic. I am baffled. The Mises Caucus will fall apart, and the LP will completely degenerate. Libertardians, smdh.
I think it's smart to be dedicated to liberty and not allowing yourselves to be captive to a party. Trust your instincts
Trump isn't for Liberty either.
The problem is that not wnough work was done to actively alienate the woke people.
Simply adopting a dress code would have helped quite a bit.
The takeover cant just be a one time thing, but a consistant effort.
The LP is a joke at this point.
I call myself an "extreme property rights advocate" in order to bypass the confusion about "libertarianism".
I think Dave really needed this to be humbled.
Dave - I think the work you are doing for the libertarian party is great. Don't get too discouraged by the recent setbacks
I think 2 main causes are VERY evident: Dave not running ( I don't know the "why", but Dave obviously understands how much he effected the course ) and choosing Mike Rectanwald ( who has as less charisma than Jacob Hornberger. That was self-sabotage ). A smooth working apparatus with momentum at its back was supporting the wrong candidate.
2 more things are evident: That convention was a cluster-f*ck. AND it was relevant on the national stage for the first time, and God I wish I was there... lol.
We need to roll back the state.
The entire Mises party needs to pledge to Vote Trump in exchange to get one of our guys in his ear and a couple demands.
Otherwise we have lost everything.
I’m not a libertarian but you have my vote. I’ll do everything I can to help you get elected
I've known about you for a while but the last month has made me a fan for life, you've been crucial to so many important moments. Really really exceptional work, just like Jimmy as soon as I heard you'd be debate Cuomo, I suddenly saw the wisdom in PBD's decision. It'll be cathartic.
Vivek has made a hell of an impression on the Libertarians
Reform UK (the guys who fathered the brexit movement) is a Corporation and is led by a CEO, no need to have a vote at a convention or worry about non-ideologically aligned hijackers.
Why not look into this? Call it “Mises-Paul Movement Inc”
Or use the Alabama based Mises Institute as non-profit where its supporters fill in factional support to the GOP or Libertarian Party.
🧠 💡!!
Welcome, you are now a freedom guy! Love ideas and principles
Dave's face while Rob told him about Sarwark on MSNBC was priceless
Sadly 90% of America is the ‘guy in the thong’
Thanks for reminding us how much the Jorgensen campaign sucked, too. They totally pushed Spike Cohen aside instead of giving him an actual voice
I held my nose and voted Jorgensen only because of Spike
I always believed that those who don’t want to be in power, should be. So Dave Smith for prez!
Hey Dave I don’t expect you to read this but you mentioned that you wanted to hear what we have to say about this whole debacle, I don’t know how everyone else feels but I’m certain that I don’t listen to your podcast just to hear you preach. I listen because I appreciate your perspective and feel that you comment on the world as you truly see it. I hope you don’t step away from the libertarian party and can recognize that this entire movement is a marathon not a sprint. Keep doing what you do and don’t stop focusing on the goals you have and you can accomplish them. The great man theory is at work here!
So, it's Dave's fault? I think the flaws in the Libertarian Party is a little deeper than that.
It's his fault he didn't run.
Hey dave, its kinda hypocritical to say the LP needs to take baby steps towards success, which is true, but then immediately give up after your first effort to take the party.
Putting your family over getting involved in politics is always the right move. ❤
After seeing such a disaster. I decided I will have to get involved with my local party.
“Become Ungovernable” was the winner of a member poll conducted months earlier.
Came here to find this comment. I support the Mises Caucus strategy, but this slogan was the one they wanted, iirc.
I believe the summation of all of this is that Libertarians (which I am one) need to now rally hard around Trump. We need to punish our own party for nominating buffoons over and over again and go for the candidate who is at least “libertarian-curious” and closer to our economic and foreign policy positions. Don’t let Perfect be the enemy of the Good.
Agree and trump is the most anti-war we are going to get.
"We need to rally behind a Fraud who wants to expand government power and pretend Trump is Libertarian!"
@@quantumbot2323 So no Anti War at all then?
Trump isn't even remotely Libertarian curious. He's almost as far away from Libertarianism as Biden.
Rechtenwald was my favorite but he just wasn’t charismatic enough. Even if he was nominated I still would have voted Trump just because I I’m in a swing state which can’t be handed over to Biden. Biden is as un-libertarian as it gets.
Dave, start the Republican Libertarian Party. Funnel out those freaks making the LP look foolish. You'll receive more consistency of candidates, like the Thomas Massie's of the world, the Paul's, the Larry Elder's etc. You can bring along Tom Woods, Lew Rockwell, also, young up and coming conservatives with libertarian hearts that hear your message both in your podcasting and in the comedy scene. Even Ron Paul had to run as a Republican. Ron Paul had class, very intelligent, and both parties respected, and were terrified of him. You seem to be cast of the same mold as Dr. Paul. let's go Dave!
You were the Chosen One!
Dave don’t take it to hard, you are much needed in the next run. Too much noise anyways this election year. And yes , as an independent , this really is such a let down for the party and now just cannot vote for this guy. 2028 buddy!
Lolbertarian Party spookily compromised
Lolbertarian 😂 nice
the word is libertarian. you are the reason I'm trying to reach out to the LP locally
The look of defeat on Dave's face
And just like that, the dream of Dave Smith as a presidential candidate has dissolved into the aether. 😞
that dissolved when he had his 2nd newborn 18mo ago.
@@tann_man true, but the hope for a future run down the road was still alive. Now? Not so much.
He dont have the guts to run for president, have you seen what they done to trump, he might have good intentions but takes more than that to be a leader
@@brolim. yeah MOSSAD might take him out.
Imagine how many votes Dave could get just from Joe Rogan’s audience. Particular this election cycle, with so many undecided voters.
I would do it just to say I did.
Exactly what “they” don’t want, unfortunately.
Thanks for all you do, Dave, and we'll be ready to support you if you ever decide to run.
I commend Dave for taking responsibility for insinuating his presidential run and not going through with it derailed the movement. Left everyone not knowing what do to do. I will never blame a man for choosing family over something, so no I’ll will towards him. However, it was the perfect setup. The MC took over the party, he had his guys ready to roll and could have made big waves with Rogan, Tucker, PBD. The Party is done now. I don’t see the MC rebounding unless disassociating completely and starting something new. Libertarian is like the word Anarchism. Bad connotation.
I don’t know if Dave reads these comments, but it should be said, termaat should not be given this “love and war” pass. What he did is the kind of underhanded duplicitous shit we expect from the establishment. Libertarianism is supposed to be better. And to do this at what is certainly the most dangerous time in our lifetimes is unforgivable. He deserves the harshest scorn at every opportunity.
And, please dude, if we even make it to another cycle, run. You are our fucking man.
Absolutely, that is a move worthy of Democrats or Republicans and is despicable and the reason many people hate the establishment. Putting winning ahead of ethics and values. Disgusting.