Good on Scott for showing a little humility. I suspect he'll continue making the same mistakes going forward, but credit for not digging his heels in on his faulty assumptions this time.
Kory’s comments on people worried about democracy and Maslow’s hierarchy hit so hard and are so true that I can feel it in my gut. What an incredible political mind.
I am not sure that the argument is compelling. Is there even a single Trump voter anywhere who thought to their self, "Trump is going to destroy the integrity of the American republic and damage the fairness of subsequent elections, but he really is a rational and competent economic manager, so I will vote for him"? There is of course a hierarchy of priorities for each voter, but the implication seems to be that Trump voters are engaging in exceptional cognitive dissonance in both seeing Trump as a reckless monster and as a rational technocrat.
@@stefanklietsch5500 Typical echo chamber misunderstanding of the average Trump voter. Trump voters don't see him as a monster. They see him as a hero to bring back what once was. Not even Obama had that kind of devotion and admiration in 2008.
@@smugdug You have just confirmed my point. Trump supporters did not believe or process the argument that he is a threat to democracy, therefore the results are not explainable in terms of Maslow’s hierarchy. *Why* they did not believe the criticisms is a different matter. But this is a case of competing worldviews between the two halves of the electorate on what constitutes reliable information and what does not; it's not a case of two different sets of voters making different conclusions from the same set of facts.
@@stefanklietsch5500 Keep telling yourself that. Trump voters voted for him because they love him. Swing voters gave him the presidency because they're broke and sick of insane progressive policies.
@@stefanklietsch5500So true. It’s been evident for a long time that with the move away from mainstream media (tv and newspapers) as the source of reliable, vetted information (think Walter Cronkite era) to 24-hour news opinion networks more interested in ratings and worse, highly biased social media sources (RUclips and podcasts), that people can no longer agree on the facts. Trump voters may in fact see him as a threat to democratic norms but they like that. We also know that the average American voter is woefully ignorant about civics having been fed a steady diet of corporate propaganda all their lives.
My uncle was an engineer (sapper) that landed on Juno. He died the day before they got to Caen. I will not leave this Earth before I visit him at Beny-sur-Mer.
The Democrats/Progressives in the US couldn't beat Trump running against Trump. What makes the LPC/NDP think they can win by trying to paint Pierre as Trump. That would be such a asinine move.
People no longer prey to extortion politics like US Dems practice or BC NDP tried in last election. The backlash is becoming so obvious it would be complete stupidity to campaign on "other guy is monster" strategy.
You also forgot to talk about immigration, it was the top concern for voters in the US after the economy. Latinos who were voting for Trump said that they were sick of the Dems handling of immigration, and that Latinos were taking the blow back from those poor decisions. They were more against immigration than white voters were, and I suspect something similar is happening with East Indian voters in Canada.
A point of interest, I never use the word 'economy' in my daily discussions. It's too abstract. I say 'money,' as in 'I need more.' I am a very low income senior who spent twenty years raising children - no pension benefits for that full-time job.
First time in a while I’m not shaking my head at Scott, side to side but rather up and down. We the people are angry and want someone working for us and not above us.
That is not your regret to bear Scott. Don't beat yourself up. You did your part, for whatever reason he wasn't granted the time. He was never meant to go again. For whatever reason it wasn't in the cards. He's in a better place, and I am sure his only regret about it is that you beat yourself up about it. Focus on the good times with him, I am sure that is what he would want
Just watched the show a little later in the day. I think it important if you are looking for lessons from the US election to stop using the word progressive incessantly would be a good one.. I am progressive and wholistic in my thinking but I don’t need to use she/her in my signature block or support DEI hiring when unwarranted etc. etc. I am a conservative. When you say progressive to me I am reminded of the CBC radio comedy show wherein the comedian used to mimic Adrienne Clarkson and say “ I’m Adrienne Clarkson and you’re not”. I don’ believe liberals or NDP are progressive. They are liberals or NDP. I was an advisor to sr. bureaucrats and a cabinet Minister and when you think and act like you’re better than others by dubbing yourself progressive there is a put down in that and Trump voters gave the “Dems” the dirty back door.
I don't believe that abortion is the most pressing issue for women, but it's presented as the main issue that concerns women. It's certainly important. As someone who has had an abortion, miscarriage and two live births, I would not vote for someone based on that issue.. I may consider taking more responsibility for my sexual encounters. This reminds me of a time when I marched for peace beside someone who angrily yelled, 'What do we want, when do we want it?' Upon seeing the anger in this person's face, I didn't participate in another peace march/protest. However, I did march in Toronto for Henry Morgentaler before I gave birth to children whom I raised on my own.
I somehow ignored the obvious and thought Harris would win, so I feel the same, how could anyone not see this coming, especially me, who follows politics. Indeed, if Justin can't see the signs from down south, he truly is an idiot.
Most of the mainly guilty political personas who descend from purgatory are celebrated cadavers postmortem. Mulroney resigned to avoid his fate as a living stiff until he began his steep descent. Yet only one thing is certain; no one will hear Barber's adagio at any of the PM's future funerals.
I think Murray Sinclair will be on our money someday. On an unrelated note, replacing Trudeau or Singh with Rick Mercer sounds like a winning formula, based on what was outlined on the podcast.
Part of the issue with speaking to men.... Women dominate culture/social issues. They make the overwhelming majority of consumer decisions and thus are marketed and catered to. (Companies have figured out that women enjoy themselves some sexism, and that stuff sells.) Misandrist attitudes can be seen everywhere, and are so accepted. Meanwhile, our PM was elected by women on policies that would largely benefit women, and a carbon tax(that disproportionately negatively impacts men). Then men have to turn around and listen to some lady complaining about how the A/C at her office being too cold is part of the patriarchy, and about how all men are trash all day.(Meanwhile he's outside in the blazing heat on top of a building). This then get's attached to the left as women and women's issues are usually associated with the left. The problem isn't with identity politics, it's with identity reductionist politics that intentionally omit class. Identity reductionist politics simply don't reflect the real world. The use and belief in them has lead to left parties being perceived as constantly demonizing men, and/or working against them. Even when the strategy blows up in their face. It's, what's wrong with men? Men need to change and do better? Actually, if you're a leftist activist it's YOU that has to do better. You cannot run around for 364 days a year talking about how crappy a group of people are, and then expect them to vote for you on the 365th
The shift manifested in the US election isn't going to be understood by former comms staffers trading in vibes and feelings. People don't want "messages" reframed in economic terms; they want economic problems *fixed*, and soon. Rent. Inflation. Precarious, poorly paid work. No retirement security. Student debt. Real estate prices. Skyrocketing inequality. This pod dropped the ball. Same old. The discussion should have been about what bold policy, specifically, Dems should have run on, and that should be contemplated now by Canadian politicians. You sounded like a demonstration of the thing you were trying to unpack.
Use real language as Mr. Trump does and Pierre Poilievre does. Pierre is not pretentious and does not use highfalutin words. He speaks like an actual real person. As always Kory gets it.
Sex polarization is deeply toxic for a polity. It should be a cross-partisan imperative to avoid splitting into The Party Of Men and The Party of Women, which means that Conservatives should look into how to appeal to women as much as Liberals/Dippers try to appeal to men.
House prices grew by 25% since Biden took office. Young voters can't vote for that without giving up on any hope of owning a home, let alone comfortable retirement. Give a young man a choice between the hope of owning a home with Trump or protecting abortion with Harris, and you won't be surprised by how the demo breaks.
But that begs the question: how did any young man anywhere get the idea in their head that a Trump presidency is the way to get housing prices back down?
@stefanklietsch5500 Cutting illegal migration cuts population growth, which reduces pressure on housing. An end to the flood of new labor at the bottom of the economic ladder puts upward pressure on wages at thd bottom, and wage inflation exceeding shelter cost inflation makes housing more affordable. Up here in Canada these issues are too acute for anyone but the aristocracy to ignore, though up here a lot of it is non-permanent residents rather than people here illegally (though there is also a lot of that). Trump won't make building easier. Nobody in the Euro-Anglosphere seems to have decisively cracked that nut.
I don’t know the Preston Manning of whom Kory speaks. The Preston Manning who lives in Alberta has had his nose in the public trough to the tune of almost $250,00 to write a report on COVID that he had already written and that largely reflected his personal views. He may have been a mentor to some, but for all his talk of reform, he grabbed the $$ when he could.
all the enthusiasm of believing the hype of duty and killing the huns was soon extinguished by the reality of war, many of these young men never , ever spoke about their experience over sees.
Maybe people need help changing their diets rather than needing diabetes medication. You're off track. You guys need to work in organizations of food security, family planning, domestic abuse, drug abuse, homelessness, etc. Get some real hands-on experience before espousing preferred political platforms.
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Good on Scott for showing a little humility. I suspect he'll continue making the same mistakes going forward, but credit for not digging his heels in on his faulty assumptions this time.
This is by far and away the best Canadian political dialogue that can be found anywhere!
Fantastic story about your grandfather, Scott! Thank you for sharing!
Kory’s comments on people worried about democracy and Maslow’s hierarchy hit so hard and are so true that I can feel it in my gut. What an incredible political mind.
I am not sure that the argument is compelling. Is there even a single Trump voter anywhere who thought to their self, "Trump is going to destroy the integrity of the American republic and damage the fairness of subsequent elections, but he really is a rational and competent economic manager, so I will vote for him"? There is of course a hierarchy of priorities for each voter, but the implication seems to be that Trump voters are engaging in exceptional cognitive dissonance in both seeing Trump as a reckless monster and as a rational technocrat.
@@stefanklietsch5500 Typical echo chamber misunderstanding of the average Trump voter. Trump voters don't see him as a monster. They see him as a hero to bring back what once was. Not even Obama had that kind of devotion and admiration in 2008.
@@smugdug You have just confirmed my point. Trump supporters did not believe or process the argument that he is a threat to democracy, therefore the results are not explainable in terms of Maslow’s hierarchy.
*Why* they did not believe the criticisms is a different matter. But this is a case of competing worldviews between the two halves of the electorate on what constitutes reliable information and what does not; it's not a case of two different sets of voters making different conclusions from the same set of facts.
@@stefanklietsch5500 Keep telling yourself that.
Trump voters voted for him because they love him. Swing voters gave him the presidency because they're broke and sick of insane progressive policies.
@@stefanklietsch5500So true. It’s been evident for a long time that with the move away from mainstream media (tv and newspapers) as the source of reliable, vetted information (think Walter Cronkite era) to 24-hour news opinion networks more interested in ratings and worse, highly biased social media sources (RUclips and podcasts), that people can no longer agree on the facts.
Trump voters may in fact see him as a threat to democratic norms but they like that. We also know that the average American voter is woefully ignorant about civics having been fed a steady diet of corporate propaganda all their lives.
I'm so here for Jordan and Scott's insane Trump meltdown and the absurd comparison of Poilievre to Trump.
My uncle was an engineer (sapper) that landed on Juno. He died the day before they got to Caen. I will not leave this Earth before I visit him at Beny-sur-Mer.
Hey you guys, thank you!
The Democrats/Progressives in the US couldn't beat Trump running against Trump. What makes the LPC/NDP think they can win by trying to paint Pierre as Trump. That would be such a asinine move.
People no longer prey to extortion politics like US Dems practice or BC NDP tried in last election. The backlash is becoming so obvious it would be complete stupidity to campaign on "other guy is monster" strategy.
You also forgot to talk about immigration, it was the top concern for voters in the US after the economy. Latinos who were voting for Trump said that they were sick of the Dems handling of immigration, and that Latinos were taking the blow back from those poor decisions. They were more against immigration than white voters were, and I suspect something similar is happening with East Indian voters in Canada.
What is a GOTV operation?? I think that’s what David said. Does it just mean ground game?
Get Out The Vote. Or something like that. But yes, essentially ground game.
@@tdog3785-v2g Ah, now the acronym makes sense.
I inferred it as "get out to vote"
A point of interest, I never use the word 'economy' in my daily discussions. It's too abstract. I say 'money,' as in 'I need more.' I am a very low income senior who spent twenty years raising children - no pension benefits for that full-time job.
First time in a while I’m not shaking my head at Scott, side to side but rather up and down. We the people are angry and want someone working for us and not above us.
That is not your regret to bear Scott. Don't beat yourself up. You did your part, for whatever reason he wasn't granted the time. He was never meant to go again. For whatever reason it wasn't in the cards. He's in a better place, and I am sure his only regret about it is that you beat yourself up about it. Focus on the good times with him, I am sure that is what he would want
"What have I got to lose?"
"A lot,"
"How worse could it be?"
"Much, much worse."
Just watched the show a little later in the day. I think it important if you are looking for lessons from the US election to stop using the word progressive incessantly would be a good one.. I am progressive and wholistic in my thinking but I don’t need to use she/her in my signature block or support DEI hiring when unwarranted etc. etc. I am a conservative. When you say progressive to me I am reminded of the CBC radio comedy show wherein the comedian used to mimic Adrienne Clarkson and say “ I’m Adrienne Clarkson and you’re not”. I don’ believe liberals or NDP are progressive. They are liberals or NDP. I was an advisor to sr. bureaucrats and a cabinet Minister and when you think and act like you’re better than others by dubbing yourself progressive there is a put down in that and Trump voters gave the “Dems” the dirty back door.
👍 happy with this episode. Objective analysis. Good for you guys
Hear hear David your Hey You was right on As PMJT said “ Canada has lost a giant”
I don't believe that abortion is the most pressing issue for women, but it's presented as the main issue that concerns women. It's certainly important. As someone who has had an abortion, miscarriage and two live births, I would not vote for someone based on that issue.. I may consider taking more responsibility for my sexual encounters. This reminds me of a time when I marched for peace beside someone who angrily yelled, 'What do we want, when do we want it?' Upon seeing the anger in this person's face, I didn't participate in another peace march/protest. However, I did march in Toronto for Henry Morgentaler before I gave birth to children whom I raised on my own.
11:44 Most honest Canadain take I've heard so far.
Question: who has the lower wage per hour, China 🇨🇳 or Mexico 🇲🇽?
(USD)
China: $4.50
Mexico: $3.95
If pocketbook issues are what matter right now, how do explain Danielle Smith?
This should be a good one..
Was hoping for fireworks but this was a more nuanced discussion.
Poilievre IS sane, he doesn't need a comparison to 'make him look sane.'
Agreed. Mark Carney would be a huge mistake for the reason that Korey stated.
I somehow ignored the obvious and thought Harris would win, so I feel the same, how could anyone not see this coming, especially me, who follows politics.
Indeed, if Justin can't see the signs from down south, he truly is an idiot.
Most of the mainly guilty political personas who descend from purgatory
are celebrated cadavers postmortem. Mulroney resigned to avoid his fate as a living stiff until he began his steep descent.
Yet only one thing is certain; no one will hear Barber's adagio at any of the PM's future funerals.
Preston Manning headed to Ottawa, promising not to take the GOLD Plated Pension, after a few years sold his sole for the almighty $$. Integrity not.
I think Murray Sinclair will be on our money someday.
On an unrelated note, replacing Trudeau or Singh with Rick Mercer sounds like a winning formula, based on what was outlined on the podcast.
Put the bottle down.
Part of the issue with speaking to men.... Women dominate culture/social issues. They make the overwhelming majority of consumer decisions and thus are marketed and catered to. (Companies have figured out that women enjoy themselves some sexism, and that stuff sells.) Misandrist attitudes can be seen everywhere, and are so accepted. Meanwhile, our PM was elected by women on policies that would largely benefit women, and a carbon tax(that disproportionately negatively impacts men). Then men have to turn around and listen to some lady complaining about how the A/C at her office being too cold is part of the patriarchy, and about how all men are trash all day.(Meanwhile he's outside in the blazing heat on top of a building). This then get's attached to the left as women and women's issues are usually associated with the left. The problem isn't with identity politics, it's with identity reductionist politics that intentionally omit class. Identity reductionist politics simply don't reflect the real world. The use and belief in them has lead to left parties being perceived as constantly demonizing men, and/or working against them. Even when the strategy blows up in their face. It's, what's wrong with men? Men need to change and do better?
Actually, if you're a leftist activist it's YOU that has to do better. You cannot run around for 364 days a year talking about how crappy a group of people are, and then expect them to vote for you on the 365th
The shift manifested in the US election isn't going to be understood by former comms staffers trading in vibes and feelings. People don't want "messages" reframed in economic terms; they want economic problems *fixed*, and soon. Rent. Inflation. Precarious, poorly paid work. No retirement security. Student debt. Real estate prices. Skyrocketing inequality. This pod dropped the ball. Same old. The discussion should have been about what bold policy, specifically, Dems should have run on, and that should be contemplated now by Canadian politicians. You sounded like a demonstration of the thing you were trying to unpack.
Use real language as Mr. Trump does and Pierre Poilievre does. Pierre is not pretentious and does not use highfalutin words. He speaks like an actual real person. As always Kory gets it.
Sex polarization is deeply toxic for a polity. It should be a cross-partisan imperative to avoid splitting into The Party Of Men and The Party of Women, which means that Conservatives should look into how to appeal to women as much as Liberals/Dippers try to appeal to men.
What’s the difference from someone’s experience in life and someone’s lived experience in life?
House prices grew by 25% since Biden took office. Young voters can't vote for that without giving up on any hope of owning a home, let alone comfortable retirement. Give a young man a choice between the hope of owning a home with Trump or protecting abortion with Harris, and you won't be surprised by how the demo breaks.
But that begs the question: how did any young man anywhere get the idea in their head that a Trump presidency is the way to get housing prices back down?
@stefanklietsch5500 Cutting illegal migration cuts population growth, which reduces pressure on housing.
An end to the flood of new labor at the bottom of the economic ladder puts upward pressure on wages at thd bottom, and wage inflation exceeding shelter cost inflation makes housing more affordable.
Up here in Canada these issues are too acute for anyone but the aristocracy to ignore, though up here a lot of it is non-permanent residents rather than people here illegally (though there is also a lot of that).
Trump won't make building easier. Nobody in the Euro-Anglosphere seems to have decisively cracked that nut.
I don’t know the Preston Manning of whom Kory speaks. The Preston Manning who lives in Alberta has had his nose in the public trough to the tune of almost $250,00 to write a report on COVID that he had already written and that largely reflected his personal views. He may have been a mentor to some, but for all his talk of reform, he grabbed the $$ when he could.
all the enthusiasm of believing the hype of duty and killing the huns was soon extinguished by the reality of war, many of these young men never , ever spoke about their experience over sees.
street fighters win!
Maybe people need help changing their diets rather than needing diabetes medication. You're off track. You guys need to work in organizations of food security, family planning, domestic abuse, drug abuse, homelessness, etc. Get some real hands-on experience before espousing preferred political platforms.
Agreed. Mark Carney would be a huge mistake for the reason that Korey stated.