How KR Challengers Use Bel’Veth
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a fun thing to note is that bel'veth doesnt just gain voidlings from the enemy minions dying, YOUR minions dying transforms them as well
That's plain stupid, what was riot thinking
@@Homiloko2 she's the void. Consume everything. Even allies
@@Homiloko2 Simply, they don't
Just if you have the form from herald or baron , if not the minions don`t transform
@@Homiloko2 It's not really that crazy, they die instantly and don't do much other then go for the tower. Playing against a good team will ensure they contest the rifts more carefully
Bel'veth: "You cant defeat me"
Enemy: "I know, but he can"
Rammus: "Ok"
Kraken Bork guinsoo = 109671398671389617 true damage:
*ARE U SURE ABOUT THAT?*
@@hyperwinder by the time that happens she gon die from his W
Rammus builds Thornmail and its game over for her. Sie kills herself 5 times over before she kills him, trust me she is useless against him
She cant stack true damage on him fast enough with the thornmail buff
@@nexarius7442 I mean.. you can say that to any auto attack champs like yi, jax,etc..
This E full stacking Conqueror +lifesteal+dmg reduction looks really broken
+Single target execute
and if one of your teammate died from E execute
then her R will AOE execute all other your teammate
then buff 65535 her another stats.
WTF
It's also a short duration and your target MUST be the lowest thing in it's area
1 of the many many many many many many many many many cc abilities in the game and it's put on its very long cd, turbo broken ig?
@@connor22071998 champion is hovering at 43% winrate but its broken I guess 😂
@@Panda-gv4vi dont think she is broken by any mean, but 20% playrate with 50% banrate with lot of first time, you can't really look at her wr atm
the work you do is actually amazing. Getting these high quality videos out so early
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@@kovam1234 You’re miserable dude, take a break from the internet for a bit. Your jealousy and hatred reeks.
@@kovam1234 stop typing kid you're embarassing yourself
Early data is showing that Bork > Frostfire Gaunlet is very good on her. The movement speed/zone control is very nice. Also, it appears she really can only be played jungle unless you get a strong counter-pick mid/top.
Ye I also tested similar to AD Shyvana builds and them worked great. Also tried to take exhaust instead of flash, also feels good.
I play her on top
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@@kovam1234 You are the true silver.
@@kovam1234 ?? gauntlet is good on bel lmao
Enemy team: "no full auto in the rift, no full auto bro!"
Kog maw: "this is not full auto" (5ASPD)
Bel'veth: " *THIS IS FULL AUTO* " (10ASDP)
enemy team: "dayum br0h"
I can hear that “dayum bro” in my ear lol
Nice reference
imagine they limited Yorick in 4 ghoul + Maiden for a reason. Then they release a Champion who literally converts entire waves in your allies. Congratulations.
Except that’s also limited to rift herald and baron
@@kepler4192 except its just an addon and she will be fine with out it
Not saying its broken just that its slaped on for lore sake
@@lironr10 at least it’s actually threatening when it does happen
And imagine that turret doesn’t one shot them like with malz and yoricks spawns. Also I could be wrong but baron affects them and gives them more stats while other champs spawns don’t get more stats off baron.
@@kepler4192 yes but thats not the point
Slapped on means u can remove it and the champion still functions
Remove yoric e q or r and he does not function
His w is also really synergystic with his kit
With belveth that passive can be removed and she will still function
I think her E overall is busted and needs to be changed. Being able to fully stack Conqueror/Lethal Tempo so quickly is illegal as well as dealing missing health damage with life steal + high damage reduction.
doesnt missing. it does finisher type missing where it ramps from 20 damage to like 80 based on missing
also all of it but the reduction ramps
so she gains more LS, onhit, and damage the lower people are and its fucking stupid
atm she is being carried by 3 things
the insane incombat mobilty of her q
that E is bascilly fiddle drain on steroids
and that herlad interaction makes her close game at 10 minute mark pretty realabley
And its dmg is true dmg
Don’t be fooled, vel Beth is a terrible champion. She has a really bad early game, basically being a Kayle in the jg, unlike Kayle, since Kayle makes a bad lane useful, vel Beth takes the whole team down due to being the jgler
After playing Bel Veth for a while, she is not unparalleled, having a few counters like Yi. Like others said, Bel Veth also has a fairly weak early game, so you're prepping for mid game skirmishes and objectives if you pick her.
With that said, the E is currently her strongest ability (which needs to be tweaked and adjusted); her R after taking Herald/Baron that allows conversion of Remoras is fine as that is more towards the mid/late game.
Overall, she's not as busted as we all thought, but ignore her in a side lane with Baron and she ends the game very quickly. (Strong skirmisher with teammates, decent split pusher)
duality of league: this champion with unlimited potential in kit vs Singed, the oldest champion in the game who has withstood the test of time
Singed on 55winrate mid 😧😧😧
@@drakko3568 3 singed mains dude...
@@drakko3568 The win rates stats they show are usually bs lol. There is barely any singed players at all levels of rank and tournament play world wide. They need to fix how they get the win rate numbers. Like if there is only 25 singed players and 17,000 yasuo, zed, yone, and lucian players. The win rate percentage is going to come out really odd.
@@TheMixedPlateFrequency it isn't wrong, just needs a bigger sample size. The ones who play singed a lot will keep it afloat
PS: GUY STILL THINKS SINGED IS A BAD CHAMPS CAUSE HE CANNOT PRESS BUTTONS 5X A SECOND xd !!!!! YOU KNOW SOME SPELLS HAVE DIFFERING VALUE AND OVERALL IMPACT ON THE INTERRACTION xd FUCKTARD GO BRRRRRR. SINGED OUTDATED. NO HE IS NOT, HE GOES DIFFEREND PLAYSTYLE WHICH OBVIOUSLY FUCKS EVERYONE SINCE HE IS 55-58% WR WITH PREDATOR YOU MONGOLS! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
So are we gonna ignore the sync flash at 5:04 where she dodged lee Q
I was looking for this comment, that diana is damned
Yeah I was wondering how nobody noticed this
Dobby clearly despises this champion and i love it lmao
I love Bel'Veth
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@@kovam1234 love how you won’t get 2 in 24 hours lmao
@@kovam1234 you are a clown
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From my experience playing her and playing against her, she is very easy to counter. I find that you have to be proactive with her. When she gets her ult from herald or baron, you're best bet is to try and pick her off in the jg, not wait for her to push a wave. It's hard to 1v1 her, so you need to gang up on her. She's not very good in team fights, so you always need to fight her in groups. She's very easy to beat if you are very aggressive and coordinate to abuse her early weaknesses. If you just sit back and let her do what she wants, playing reactively, she'll always win. I think that's why she's so overpowered at the low ranks and so pathetic at the high ranks, because low rank people don't realize you need to take the fight to her. I think all they need to do to her is make her e damage reduction scale with missing health, that way she gets the full 70% when low, but far less when she's full, that way she counters burst less, and they should heavily limit the void remora to 6, maybe 8.
so many words, so many thoughts, just pick rammus and make her your bitch for the entirety of the game. simple as that.
Easy to counter is not having a Xv1 her, that's only a necessity when their base kit is badly designed. Even here, Bel Veth's skirmish isn't negligible. She's able to 2v2 and 3v3 very well given her mobility and AOE abilities. Her health is tuned disproportionality with her damage, it's even a stretch to call her a squishy while she has Yi dueling. Early dueling isn't bad, it's pretty dead average if you use your damage reduction and dashes properly. You shouldn't be losing to half of the junglers at level 3/4 is what I'm saying.
lol u can't counter this thing
@@likeabadcat7885 It's been 6 months since I made this comment. I was a bit wrong, but she does still have counters.
other then earlier mentioned rammus?
I think she's more like a modern master Yi. Q spam, e is a cooler meditate, ult is super form which gives movement though out of combat and attack speed, and the insane amount of true damage.
Exactly, she's just like master yi but much cooler. And doesn't have that annoying Q that makes you untargetable.
what true dmg do you mean? her active yeah it may be a bit too much, but the ults passive is good
Her void/minion passive is actually nuts, we ended the game at 12 minutes
This champ was designed by riot August who also designed zeri, viego and kayle.. OP champs
they're actually all broken and/or really hard or impossible to balance, wow
But he also designed jinx jhin and senna
@@bruno-ky4ht Jhin is very popular and considered well designed, Jinx has had many periods of being OP in soloq and so Senna is also a balancing nightmare (fasting Senna and them constantly balancing support and adc Senna together due to soul drop interactions)
I mean don't get me wrong all of his champs are fun/interesting to play overall but only Jhin hasn't had notable issues.
@@ChilledoutDevil Yeah I agree, Senna is a balancing nightmare, just stating three champs I like overall lmao
One thing you didn't say : You can eat coral through wall.
Cause he didn't needed to say that
Her E is just completely broken wow
Says a lot considering she has 4 dashes on a short cd on Q.
Great video, the only thing I'd say is that poppy counters her well, you can kite bveth Q with your move speed+w and if she q's into you she gets knocked. Plust ult can take her out of teamfights which reduces all her value. Poppy E can negate a lot of her value in a teamfight aswell.
Those worrying about her E fully stacking conq/lethal tempo, it really ain't that bad. If you're using your E at the start of the fight to stack your rune, then you're kind of trolling imo. It does neglibible damage against high hp% enemies and is an incredible defensive tool. Using it to stack your rune and not as a defensive ability or execute is like using vlad W to get back to lane quicker and then dying.
At the point in a fight you would get the most out of using Bel's E, your rune is probably already stacked, and if you can get away with starting a fight with E and winning, you're likely far enough ahead that it didn't matter anyway.
You forgot the fact that not every fight begins when both you and your enemy are 100% hp
200 Years of game design with that E...
Dobby pls make a renekton guide i know renekton has a place in pro play I love your guides and they are the best on the rift I would really need a good guide for renekton :)
I think the E dmg reduction shouldn't be touched. It's quite literally the only thing keeping her alive. Maybe take away its life steal so people can avoid being destroyed in a second but don't come out with more health. Also, fully stacking conqueror or lethal could stay like that since this only happens if you stay on the circle. And it's on a high cd at max level.
Edit: another option is to make E proc conqueror and lethal like a ranged ability so it would stack half conq or lt
i think it is fine as you are rooted , and it can be cancelled with cc , in a 1v1 against certain champs it is usless or usefull while in a team fight it is not so usefull as there will be
@@delusionofillusion473 CC doesn't cancel it, just stops her from autoing in most cases during it's duration. It's damage reduction still applies even through cc.
@@tonysmith9905 i know that but if u cc her she wont do that insane damage or have lifesteal
GODDAM, DOBBY HAS 170K SUBS, I REMMEBER WHEN I USED TO WATCH HIM WHEN HE HAD LIKE 20K
Everybody gangsta until a giant manta ray goes mudamudamudamudaaa
Played 5 games of her. Won 4. 3 of them by using herald to kill inhib )))..I rly dont know how riot design their champions...she is totally broken.
Great video!
Love that the counter is JUST rammus... the spiky armadillos boy that just says ok. He's stronger then the void empress who is the void itself, she gets beat by one spiky shield and angry eyes.
Maybe lore accurate, maybe he protected Shurima against the void hah
Well, at least now I know how to counter her strengths, how to play against her and what to be aware of when fighting her
her best counter is a ban
@@eliusakram1546 or rammus
@@deejaydee1578 i played rammus against her once, she just kept running away till shell stance was on cooldown.
"We dont think our champions have overloaded kits overall" - Riot Games
kit is not overloaded, problem is powerspike with kraken alone and numbers, its actually a damn easy to counter champion
your videos are the most informative i've found.
Please do a video on Nami
everytime i watch dobby video i see people flash at one spot where you get these videos from
Jax is great to counter Belveth's early game
rammus counters her for the entirety of the game making her virtually useless.
jax as well
RIot want tank to be viable while releasing true damage and hyper mobility champs
I think Teemo should be added to the counters, his blind completely shuts down Bel'Veth from doing any damage.
Just like he does to Tryndamere and Jax too ahaha
i find that rammus is a strong counter but only if theres more people to help, after kraken and leveling R she shreds rammus because of the true damage obviously he is really strong against her still.
@@lukasausen only in early game, i played a match against a rammus as Bel'Veth, and if she manages to grow a little bit she will be able to melt Rammus.
The worst of it all, in the same match i was 1v3 Rammus and his allies i literally went from 1 hp to full life with E and eating corals.
@@GoticoArrombado So anti-healing is a counter against her. Noted
yesss i was waiting for this
Another belveth video soon , I know people are still figuring out things about her !
hi dobby! dont know if you'll see this but ive been watching for sometime and id like to ask for a review of sejuani top its been going pretty ham in korean challenger and proplay and it seems pretty good! so i was wondering if you could make a video on it!
Hey great video dobby. Do you ever plan to stream again? I miss them!
Of course I'll do it !
I just moved, so I'll stream soon :)
@@LoLDobby Awesome I can't wait !
not only balanced, also very skill-expression champ :) AA E to win
cryyyyyy lol noob ehheeh
procing conqueror in a second is never balanced
nice video bro
So she basically has a free zz portal that was removed from the game because of how it forced split push, her e says I can still see you against anything like rengar kha eve or talon ult and her e is basically going to win fights unless you 5v1 her or shes stupid thanks riot really loving how you fuck up the meta.
dashes in and out 2 times, reliable knockup, sustained dps, damage reduction, procs on hits 10 times per sec, oh and breaks ur inhibitor turret at 12
oh and she can solo baron at 20
If Eve is that close, she was revealed anyway. Just btw
The Chloe Ting workout music triggered my fight or response
im not joking, every one of her skills beside W needs a nerf. her Q cd is very low if u look at the fact she still can dash diagonally and her W resetd the cd. passive is kinda cool but belveth having 6.0 AS after clicking E and fully stacking lethal tempo in 25 mins is not fun at all (also not cap, it happened to me today). besides her ult wich sure is fun, I dont think she should be able to just infinitely take these corals. Ult doesnt cost any mana and just clicking it over and over in teamfight is super annoying. and her E is an unfunny joke from riot. Idk if I even have to explain Irelia's W but with lifesteal, attacking the whole time, and autotargetting low HP enemies. this skill makes me wanna cry when I play against her.
just cc her, she is rly bad. you lost your games cause you had not a jungle who knows how to counterjungle properly
The Voidlings spawns even though you don’t kill the minions u just have to be close to the ones that die
9:29 my reaction exactly like wtf was that
yo dobby u could do a guide on vladimir i think it would work out pretty well and ofc help us vlad newbies
I just love her sfx
This champ doesnt needflash btw. Two dashes forward and your plenty far away. Fighting her 1v1 is a no no. Just run away lol
Q : BETTER Fiora'Q : 4 dash + onhit + reset aa
W : BETTER Vel'Koz's W : no delay when landed + Stun + Reset Q
E : 500xBETTER Irelia's W : insta full Conqueror/Lethal + LS + on-hit + Damage Reduction + Single target Execute
R : After you execute someone with E now you have AOE Garen ult + 65535 another PERMA base stats.
+500 lines of her passive + infinite AS stack + infinite true damage same target hitted + Manaless
LMAO
you forgot she can fucking spawn infinite voidlings to splitpush with. its like yorick and malzahar combined... and that is just the passive of her fucking ult.
@@evanjoyal9540 wydm you don't love her having the thing that entire yorick's kit is based around as a bonus passive 10 times stronger
@@evanjoyal9540 They basically put Yorick into her passive.
She is bad, she has terrible stats and even worse early game, she is dead with one piece of cc
Basically frozen heart is your best friend Vs her and malphite
Watching people play this overloaded ass champ is making me riled up
I would not say her design is janky, she is an auto-attack based champion like most or all skirmishers and a mix of good mobility, damage and sustain. I would say more of damage and mobility.
Q for mobility, w to keep enemies close and e as a finisher and sustain. R is mostly to enhance her basic stats (evolve like the other void champions). Although her minions seem like an after thought.
200 years any champ that have more than 2 dashes is already stupid enough and now add a 90% dmg reduction for 3 second. Welcome to 500 years
he prolly meant janky visually
@@jeffbeasto3198 Her dashes are weak, it does not go through wall and it's one per direction(easier to know which direction she will dash to).
cat doesn't mean it is not broken to have literally 4 dashes and literally 4 usage of 1 ability lv.1 with basically zero cooldown and utilize passive
@@jeffbeasto3198 from your comment, I know you never play the champ.
I had this game where I was 25% hp under turret vs malphite mid... God that outplay felt so good vs ap malph
It really takes 200 years of collective game design form one of the largest game producing companies in the world to come up with a Kit that is THIS hard to balance.
muda muda muda muda muda muda muda muda
- Bel'veth
Olaf and Camille also look like counters because they can hit her hard in her e with their true damage
Imagine this with the old mountain drake
Great video
Nice Video Dobby. TY
I’ve been playing her since she dropped on PBE. And I’m curious to see if anyone else discovers any other new builds on her. On-hit obviously seems like a go to, but I feel sheen items and AP has potential. Overall, great video! And I hope you can keep us updated on how Bel’Veth performs in high elo KR.
Her auto damage is too low (-75%?). Not sure but maybe that's why you don't see people building sheen items on her.
I tried AP its horrible, her ult is just not reliable.
Rn going no mythic seems the best from what i tried (brk rush >DD>wits end>titanic>gore/shieldbow/gauntlet) going last because they're all kinda meh tbh brk is broken DD on melees is very broken, wits with her kit and DD giving armor is also strong as f then titanic for the hp pool and on hits in fights seems better than any mythic too. You just grab it last to get the mythic passive stats and since there's no last broken item to get
A bit like some kogs do, which makes sense as their kit have similar type of scalings
Honestly, she looks like a champion where not fighting her is winning the fight. Just like yuumi. She encourages split map, and objective playing or it's an uphill battle towards victory. Her void lings are a problem, but good wave clear should kill them. Her E is the biggest obstacle. She should be good in low elo's where people often struggle to collectively close out a game when ahead, but her void lings might make that a lot easier.
perfect video
it's the durability patch also them, "let's give her a massive damage reduction and lifesteal while being able to do as much damage as like a Yi with blade of ruined king. Yeah, that's pretty balance. Also, a lot of dashes!"
she stacks waaaaay too fast
she looks really strong in lane but her passive is wasted if you don't clear jg camps
after play with a lot of match with bel'veth she is so BROKEN
I think that she is better in jungle because of the stacks you get, you don't get stacks from minions in lane
Gonna test if Jax can dodge all of her E. Basically Bel will be scared of Jax with his E and will wait for his E to be down.
This is what Riot gave after nerfing Yi into the ground. You're Welcome.
tbh fiora also feels like a counter.. when she has her r..
Helphul tips about Bel'Veth mechanics. Especially the one at 9:07, where it just says "Balanced" xD
"Its pretty much AD Velkoz" that makes absolutely zero sense, how the fuck does she have anything to do with vel'koz outside of being a void creature?
"It's pretty much an AD Vel'Koz"
In what way? One is mage with no mobility and the other is an auto-attack champ with a bunch of dashes
They're both from the void? They both have a knock up? They both kinda have a laser-like ability (even though one is an aoe skill-shot and the other is a single target non-skill-shot)?
They're basically not the same at all.
Pretty sure he meant the appearance, not the skillset 😐
More counters are just champs that can knock her out of her E.
however u use her, whatever u build on her shes gonna be op af anyway so
I believe the 2 most broken things about her is the e and q. the e by itself its meh buty the fact it can apply kraken like 5 times per use makes her a everything melter. and having 4-5 dashes w/o mana restrictions is more than busted in my opinion. even champs that rely on dashes such as fiora and irelia have to be somewhat careful with mana consuption. would nerf e on hit and maybe the damage reduction and also her having mana to have more counterbacks to this champ
Pretty sure this champ is dog against any jg with a brain
Yes she has 40% winrate Master+
you know somethings wrong when a level 3 bel'veth can easily tank two tower shots while on low health.
her E is a Katarina ult on a longer cooldown
Does tiamat works for it? Since E has on hit effect... I didn't see anyone using, maybe there are better options, but Idk
That champ is broken not because of her kit, but just because if she can get first rift, the game is over, she can take the whole tower with rift, while others can only one shot it when it’s below half. That champ can just take mid tower then push bot, most champ don’t have the wave clear to handle her minions, and she can get 10-15 plates if play well
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Her E late game can delete drakes in 3 seconds below 70%. Broken as shit.
I think Bel would be ok, if her E and True Form are nerfed, the damage reduction, the total attack speed, the heal...
wish if lane belveth was more viable sounds so much more fun than jg belveth even tho jg belveth is so much fun
maybe every 3 lane minions u get a stack and every single siege minion u get a stack? the reason i would love lane belveth more is because u can always take 1v1s and 2v2s and split push anyways i bet if she didnt get balanced in 2morrows patches give her some years before she gets a huge change to put her/make her viable in lane
The herald and baron interaction alone is so strong, I don't know why Riot decided to also give her this e ability. Why can't riot release any simple champs anymore which are fun to play? Am I the only one who thinks that new champions don't need all these overloaded kits.
They did tho. Vex was a pretty simple champion and although she was broken, she was quite a success. They make a lot of overloaded kits, but props to them for making Vex, which is a simple champion
fun fact play her as tank is so much fun lol
I think she will enjoy to play against Rammus
this champion’s kit is just a lazy Irelia reimagination
dude belveth is so sick lmao
Dash cooldown need to be up, you cant allow a champion to move like this.
After this video for sure belveth winrate will grow :))
As always, great video, thanks for the work, Dobby
can you use teemo as a counter just shut her down completly
blind her when she e
Ah yes, now the taliyah E changes make sense, yes, mobility. Let's nerf Ryze
I saw a Bel veth fully heal with E like it was a Dark Soul boss
disgusting new champ and kit ty riot
Damn never met her in my ranked games
imagine slapping kraken on the thumbnail when frostfire is better lol