Would this mean that Fia’s ‘companions’ were actually somehow coerced/cursed into deep sleeps where they did her bidding? That sounds a bit too much like Seluvis
@@phillipmitchell2254 truth, but why do we find his corpse? Like he just laid with Fia until he died of starvation or something. It seems more like she is overtaking their souls instead of them joining her 100% willingly.
@@dudeistguru4090 That's a fair point. They're pretty vague about how her power works, and I don't recall a way for the player to get deathblighted at the duplicate face under Stormveil the same way Rogier was, I'm wondering if Fia had anything to do with that as well?
Rogier's Rapier sure is good for dealing with those bastard birds The way Rogier apologizes and calls the Tarnished scary in a casual, friendly manner, it really tugged my heartstrings. Poor fellow sure has charisma, if only there was a way to save my friend.
Man... I really liked Rogier. I saw him in the Roundtable hold much later in the game because I didnt know he was there and then after speaking with him, seeing how he slowly died was sad. :(
That's George R.R. Martin for you! He hates happy endings and ha said in an interview that he thinks happy endings for characters make a story seem less true to life...which I vehemently disagree with, but hey, he wrote the lore and parts of the story, not me.
@@masque9446 I think it doesn't have as much to do with R. R. Martins as it's just FromSoft's tendency to make you feel bad and responsible for every character you get to know dying because you stepped a few meters into a different area with no indications that it would progress this quest. If you ever played their other games, you know what I'm talking about. But yea, they definitely picked a right man to write about Marika's tits, innit?
He was my first NPC Summon. I was so happy when I met him again at the castle. Did his whole questline out of respect, and cause he was genuinely nice.
Nicest dude. I always assumed that ranni and rogiers coincidental sleep is actually death… and it’s an indication of the effects of coming in contact with death. Since rogiers living body came in contact with godwyn, it kills him…. But Ranni, who has no corporeal flesh, doesn’t suffer the effects of her life’s contact with death root / godwyns curse / whatever…. She’s merely a soul inhabiting a doll after all…. Whereas rogiers soul and corporeal flesh are vulnerable. So when ranni sleeps… it’s actually a death that she has the power to wake from, since she’s just a soul…. But when rogier sleeps, it’s an actual death… due to his contact with godwyns curse.
Not a bad idea in all honesty, while it might not be true it's a good way of looking at the how the death curse works on things that, technically aren't alive or dead.
The only true friends we had at the roundtable hold are Rogier and Nepheli , and Nepheli is more like a comrade , I was happy to see Nepheli rise and become the queen that she is but Rogier's ending broke my heart
Rogier is a noble warrior, a friendly face, has an immaculate fashion sense, and honestly, he's pretty darn cute if you see him without his hat on. 10/10 I will lay down my life for him and give him a smooch.
If you inspect the bloodstain near Godwyn’s face below Stormveil, you’ll see Rogier hanging in air by something. I wonder if there is a similar animation of an incantation or enemy grab attack by which we can go deeper in the lore of how the Prince of Death actually infected him with the thorns. 🤔 Anyways, a good lore video as usual. Keep it up. 👍
The animation that Rogier dies in is the animation that plays if you die to the death status effect. So there are a few incantations that can cause that death animation
@@TheNapster153 The creepy part about that is because it's Godwyn's alive-nt body. The black knives killed his immortal soul and shoved his body into the roots of the tree. Instead of being reincarnated normally, he keeps showing up as faces in trees (also seen in FIA's second appearance)
@@josedorsaith5261 I'm aware of Godwyn's history. I just wasn't expecting blood of all things to come out. I'd accept if it were puss or white blood like an Albanauric, but red blood implies the Face has a working biology to an extent. Hence, my first thought was to nope out lest I suffer the same fate as Rogier. Speaking of, my hunch suggest that Rogier did something similar and that was how he got inflicted by Deathblight. Assuming he was already in Fia's employ by this point, than it lends more credence as to why he was in Stormveil to begin with. Knowing that Godwyn is Undead is different than actually observing his unalive form. In my opinion, Rogier's Investigation was a major step in Fia forming the death rune
The Bloodstain shows the exact moment he was infused with deathblight but we didnt think it was necessary to show since we already know he was infused with death. Probably should have included it though.
@@square-table-gaming its interesting though as that means he died in that moment. Are we talking to Rogier's ghost/soul? What did he get from stormveil? Does deathblight actually work that way? Slowly eating away at him until he goes into eternal slumber? Is this because destined death is sealed? I don't understand the rules of "death" in this lore.
@@mrInhinyero I would assume he can respawn just as we can, but without grace it would eat away at him until he suffered a permanent death. He does say he cannot see grace anymore so it may have very little influence on him anymore.
@@mrInhinyero I'm not knowledgeable enough to say for sure, but I assume that deathblight is more "death" for us as an in game mechanic. For others it might just be an affliction?
There is a very interesting parallel between Rogier's death, Godwyn's corpse and many other creatures like the Albinaurics and Rennala's offsprings. Godwyn's corpse lost his legs which have metamorphosized into a mermaid-like fish tail. The Albinaurics slowly lose their legs, and it's unclear whether this happens on its own, or it's due to the torture they get subjected to. Even the maybe-Albinauric-maybe-not Oracle envoys have no legs and roll around like balls. Rennala's offsprings have no legs, in fact, they crawl around with their legs wrapped in a cloth that somehow reminds of a mermaid's tail. Dragonkin soldiers' legs actually are there, but they're paralyzed and likely useless. Rogier's death occurs because of a slow rot of his legs, which we can never see since they're hidden under that heavy blanket. What's up with death, legs, and transformation? All these creatures are linked by a strong death/rebirth motif, but I cannot really identify what's the final element that links them all. Still, this is a detail that probably has a meaning, and it's more than just some strange coincidence.
@@archsteel7 blaaid literally couldn’t stop dumping as he was made a protecter of ranni but when she started harming the greater will his brain was freaking out as above all the greater will protects itself but he wouldn’t hurt ranni so he went insane
think the line that he said about apologizing ahead of time was because he probably knew he would be serving FIa as we see him guarding her. Not sure if it was fully willing thing in terms of him having full control. Do believe that he would probably have talked with her and wanted to help her as lionheart believe was his name was the same but assume he died similar to rogier.
Rogier’s slumber may be very much like that of the Prince of Death, the body of whom yet lives despite the soul having been slain. Perhaps the Prince of Death is not just spreading the Deathroot, but spreading it’s own condition. Of course, since Rogier is not in the roots of the Erdtree i doubt he’ll start sprouting eyes & faces around the Lands Between
Since we know death fuels the eedteee and Godwyn was likely fed to it after his soul died. But only his soul died .. his body is likely still very powerful. So is he manifesting this face the same way Rykard forced his will on the great serpent when it devoured him, resulting in the snake manifesting aspects of Rykard and even becoming him in a way. Is Godwyn now part of the erdtree?
I think the implication is that his cancerous body is spreading along the erdtrees roots, likely trying to take it over in the same way Rykard took over the serpent. It definitely hasnt happened yet, but the infection of the Lands between in certain areas shows it may be working, slowly but surely.
@@square-table-gaming He can probably never have the same influence over the erdtree that rykard has on the serpent because the erdtree seems far more powerful than the serpent and only Godwyns body could be given to the tree.
@@hennessya96 i wouldn't be too sure about that, The God Devouring Serpent is equally immortal, notice how Rykards head is still pretty much moving and writhing after you 'kill' him. Rykard is not done yet and he is still trying to find a way to devouer the gods, togethaaaahhh
Rogier's Journal. October 12th, 1985. A demigod has diee. This land's afraid of me. I've seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters, and the gutters are full of blood, and when the drains finally scab over all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the tarnished and demigods will look up and shout "Save us!" and I'll whisper "No."
You missed a little detail about Rogiers hat it say that he supposedly had heretical practices makes me wonder if alberich was his mentor or something like, that since he was on the balcony outlooking where alberich invades and they are both aristocrats/spellblades, but maybe im just reaching who knows.
I don't quite remember that dialogue but I think it's actually the opposite. In Fia's ending it's the age of death so death returns to the Lands Between, but Rogier's intention was to heal them of an affliction. He disagreed with D wanting them dead for good so it's hard to say.
You missed the point that Rogier becomes fia Champion and fights to defend her disgusting Lord. Perhaps D wasn't wrong and Fia is just a thrall to the god of death and she takes Rogier effectively as a slave when he is consumed by the infection spread by the god of death. The fact that Rogier under Fia control has no control over his actions points to the fact that Fia has no qualms to use people if it's for her lord. Also considering Fia's use of Rogier and D's friendship with him it's not so surprising how he hates her.
Seriously, this is the best lore content being produced. No idea how your channel hasn’t blown up yet, but I have no doubt it will if you keep this up.
I think that the reason why his face is under storm veil is because that’s where he was assassinated. Godrick and his lineage typically were lording over stormveil so it makes sense that that’s where he died. After he was killed, his body was moved to under the erdtree for a proper burial, which is the other place his face appears, yet obviously it’s much larger.
I thought this at first as well, but various lore points specifically call out the assassins fleeing from the capital, so it couldn't have taken place at stormveil
When I saw that Rogier was one of Fia’s champions as a spirit ash in the deep root depths, I balked and was killed by him. I wish I had the presence of mind to understand where all these NPCs paths lead and why. I still don’t understand what “Those Who Life In Death” means apart from “Undead”. But how does that happen because of the golden order?
This is possible due to godwyns body spreading death through the lands between. It does this because he was killed by the black knives infused with destined death.
The Golden Order hates them because in the world described by the Golden Order's teachings, 'true' death or death in general isn't allowed. You're meant to have an Erdtree burial and re-enter the cycle. And remember the Rune of Death specifically was removed from the Elden Ring during the time of the Golden Order, so in general the idea of Those Who Live in Death is seen as heretical. They're separated from the 'natural order of things' (as prescribed by the Golden Order). Living as separate beings in a state of undeath rather than re-entering the Erdtree.
I know there’s not a lot about the banished knights but could you do a video on them. You find them in some interesting spots in the game, and I wonder why they were banished from their homeland.
From what I've gathered they seem to be banished due to their affinity towards dragons. It seems like they may have served them and perhaps even partook in dragon communion, based on the ones you find near the dragon temple. There are also a bunch in Farum Azula, a nexus of primal dragon-sourced activity (based on the beastmen that have mammalian yet also dragon features, the presence of Placidusax and the other minor dragons). I think this would get them banished because the dragons represent the world before the golden order, and those who worship them are not aligned with the current dominating (Golden) order in the lands between. Partaking in dragon communion seems to be severely frowned upon in the current regime of the Golden Order, and those who do it too much contort into the magma wyrms we fight throughout the game (I believe it is the Magma Wyrm curved greatsword description that says that). I almost wanna say that the dragons were the lords/ heralds/ higher ups of the order of the crucible before the erdtree but that is way more speculation. Edit: this is just my two cents. In no way am I saying this is "how it is"
What a good man. I missed alot of this about him my first play thru by not really knowing what to look for and when to talk to him again. Next play thru
I legit didn't find Stormveil Castle until I was level 99 and just burned through it. Later, I found some random dude dying on the balcony at the RTH, eventually got his equipment, and still never knew who 'that Roger guy' was... This is part of what makes the game amazing. The game loads and you go... never know what you may (or may not) find.
this is almost unfathomable. I truly can not comprehend that you didn't find Stormveil til 99. there is a road that leads you directly to it from the Stranded Graveyard. it is gigantic. the northern part of the map isn't even accessible until you pass through/by it. Bravo man. lmfao
@@buttqueef9900 Maybe he means Stormveil proper, after defeating Margit? In my first playthrough I ran around without a crafting kit for most of the early game because I couldn't initially afford it, and then completely forgot about it by the time it started becoming relevent (crafting furled finger remedies).
@@buttqueef9900 I always go the opposite way I think the game wants me to go, so I can find secrets etc., and then get back on path. I guess this time I just kept going... EDIT: Also, I don't think that's correct - I never had a problem accessing the rest of the map before I found the castle.
not sure if you missed it or just cut it from the video but theres a white text next to where you find the pustule that if you interact with it shows how rogier gets the curse on him. Its quiet unique and somewhat hidden.
It's actually a bloodstain that shows him being infected with deathblight. We already mention in the video why he's dying but we probably should have snagged some footage of the bloodstain.
Rogier was such a good guy... (also, near the giant head, there is his "blood trace". Something took him and mafmde him levitate like Bloodborne's Amygdalas.)
On the topic of Godwyn’s face appearing in two places - in deep root depths there seems to be lots of scaly snake-like skin around his corpse. I think it might be more likely that his corpse was assimilated by the god-devouring serpent. We know Rykard did play some role in helping Ranni orchestrate the night of black knives, so it would make sense for the serpent to have access to Gydwyn’s body. This could mean that when the serpent shed it’s skin, it also shedded a husk of Godwyn’s face, thus explaining why there are two corpses.
It also makes sense that the face is so big since we see rykard's post-absorbed face in the fight. Another youtube lore duder made a similar comment, thinking that godwyn was eaten by the God-serpent. Certainly an interesting concept, rykard certainly has something to do with ranni's plot
The flaw with this is that I believe there is an item description saying that it is effectively a cancerous growth on the roots and that there are more than the sole body and the face on the roots. We may see more of them in the DLC if we can access more underground areas of the game etc.
I would love having death flames that the omen use but as an incantation that coats our sword, we would spray it on our weapon like them. Another one would be death flames in a forward motion out of our mouth, like the omen. It would do holy damage, like the eclipse shotel
@@colorgreen8728 yeah I know, but what I mean is I want more than that single spell. Like ghostflame bolt that can be cast repeatedly (think of pebble), weapon enchanment or something instead of that singular aoe spell we currently have.
@@TrickyMellow I’d absolutely love that too, it would be amazing to have in the game! I wish that the rancor spells actually did frostbite as they are pretty much ghostflame, but I’d love weapon enchantment and stuff like that a whole bunch
Lol i missed so much in my first playthrough, i simply thought that he had his legs grafted by Godrick and never figured out what his connection with D and deathroot was, even less with Ranni.
When we fight Fia’s champions, Rogier is one of them that fights us the player alongside with Lionel, is there sum connection to this? Or is it just a spirit ash that is a mimic of Rogier?
we find Lionels armour in Leyndell, next to a dress that looks like Fias. Both characters got the deathbed companion treatment from Fia, and she is talking about that Rogier is laying next to her
did you know that one of the bloodstains around Godwyn's corpse is one of Rogier's? Its easier to notice if you play offline - it shows him being impaled by thorns
Yup! That is the Deathblight taking hold and due to Rogier no longer being connected to grace, instead of respawning he is made permanently ill until he dies.
Not sure if it's unknown or just unimportant, but I've never heard anyone mention the eyes in the tree stumps having eyes. Specifically the ones where you fight the mariner
●There actually is a Blood Stain of Rogier's death, didnt notice my first playthough, i had multiplayer turned off and wondered who died infront of the face
I ask you: would Rogier be happy with the Duskborn ending? Is this what he would have liked if he obtained the cursemark? Or would he hate it if immortality is ridden from the land, since he respected Ranni's decision to murder Godwyn to cast eternal life upon the lands? All he said is that he wanted to protect those who killed Godwyn. Does that mean he also wants likes if things stay this way? Or would he like Fia's way of things? Rogier got into his demise 3 days ago in my playthrough. I still am not over it. Especially the fact I couldn't bond more with him and I still don't really understand why he wanted the cursemark. I come here to the commentsection to find people that are not just playing the game to get sick loot, but actually care for the characters. And I care a lot damn...
@@square-table-gaming Ah and thank you for your super quick answer. It determines my way on viewing the possible endings. Maybe the Elden Lord shall become mad because of Rogier's death and will curse everyone lol
If you wonder why he is really cursed if you go to the Godwyn face under stormveil castle their is a bloodstain and if you touch it he is impaled by a scarlet rot weapon that is a spear I say commander o,neil did it
So... Who else has noticed that the explanation of those who live in death kinda doesn't make sense... Godwyn attached to the root of the Great tree is causing those who live in death. But there are Pustules in Faram Azula. And undead beastmen. There are no roots reaching Faram Azula and one could assume that Faram Azula has been detached from the greater Landmass since before the night of black knives. Which means SOMETHING about the story we get is a lie, or at least, has been forgotten.
So death existed in farum Azula before it was hidden within Malikeths blade. I think that would explain this. Also, Farum Azula exists somehow outside of time. Godwyn isn't the projenitor of destined death, just it's current vessel since he was slain with the black knife.
Rogier's apology is in acknowledgement that he's going to end up one of Fia's champions there at the location of Godwyn's corpse.
Would this mean that Fia’s ‘companions’ were actually somehow coerced/cursed into deep sleeps where they did her bidding? That sounds a bit too much like Seluvis
@@dudeistguru4090 Recall you find Lionel's set in Leyndell with a deathbed companion's dress, and he's her strongest champion.
@@phillipmitchell2254 truth, but why do we find his corpse? Like he just laid with Fia until he died of starvation or something. It seems more like she is overtaking their souls instead of them joining her 100% willingly.
@@dudeistguru4090 That's a fair point. They're pretty vague about how her power works, and I don't recall a way for the player to get deathblighted at the duplicate face under Stormveil the same way Rogier was, I'm wondering if Fia had anything to do with that as well?
you can go there and fight her champions while Rogier still can talk.
Rogier's Rapier sure is good for dealing with those bastard birds
The way Rogier apologizes and calls the Tarnished scary in a casual, friendly manner, it really tugged my heartstrings. Poor fellow sure has charisma, if only there was a way to save my friend.
I feel like Roger is probably the most pure NPC Form software Did him dirty
@@indigodragon4098 no. The most pure NPC is the turtle pope in the church of vows
@@indigodragon4098 fromsoftware always does these characters dirty
@@ExedraA two facts can coexist
@@froilanflorentino1252 you can't have two most pure things
Rogier was the best spellblade in the Lands Between, a cunning warrior... and he was a good friend.
Star Wars!
Man... I really liked Rogier. I saw him in the Roundtable hold much later in the game because I didnt know he was there and then after speaking with him, seeing how he slowly died was sad. :(
Rogier is the character I can relate the most in the whole game. It's such a tragedy to see him die so early in the story
@local sir are you lost?
That's George R.R. Martin for you! He hates happy endings and ha said in an interview that he thinks happy endings for characters make a story seem less true to life...which I vehemently disagree with, but hey, he wrote the lore and parts of the story, not me.
@@masque9446 I think it doesn't have as much to do with R. R. Martins as it's just FromSoft's tendency to make you feel bad and responsible for every character you get to know dying because you stepped a few meters into a different area with no indications that it would progress this quest. If you ever played their other games, you know what I'm talking about.
But yea, they definitely picked a right man to write about Marika's tits, innit?
Everything alright?
He has given me a goal to find the other half of the curse mark and see my journeys end “FOR ROGIER!”
When I saw his dead body at the Round Table. I almost cried. I love this guy. I wish somehow I could save him.
ROGIER IS MY FRIEND AND I WILL FIGHT EVERY DEMIGOD AT ONCE TO SEE HIM SMILE
THIS RIGHT HERE AMEN. ROGIER DESERVES HAPPINESS AND I DONT CARE WHO WE NEED TO KILL TO GIVE IT TO HIM
Till he betrays your friendly ass to simp professionally for Fia…
@@dudeistguru4090 I finished D's quest cause I wanted his armor.
I didn't know he simped for Fia too... :(
and who doesn't?@@ryanleatigaga7596
He was my first NPC Summon. I was so happy when I met him again at the castle. Did his whole questline out of respect, and cause he was genuinely nice.
That "Always good to see you safe" hit different. Sad when i couldnt hear it anymore :(.
Nicest dude.
I always assumed that ranni and rogiers coincidental sleep is actually death… and it’s an indication of the effects of coming in contact with death.
Since rogiers living body came in contact with godwyn, it kills him…. But Ranni, who has no corporeal flesh, doesn’t suffer the effects of her life’s contact with death root / godwyns curse / whatever…. She’s merely a soul inhabiting a doll after all…. Whereas rogiers soul and corporeal flesh are vulnerable.
So when ranni sleeps… it’s actually a death that she has the power to wake from, since she’s just a soul…. But when rogier sleeps, it’s an actual death… due to his contact with godwyns curse.
Not a bad idea in all honesty, while it might not be true it's a good way of looking at the how the death curse works on things that, technically aren't alive or dead.
I think this is actually a very good explanation.
The only true friends we had at the roundtable hold are Rogier and Nepheli , and Nepheli is more like a comrade , I was happy to see Nepheli rise and become the queen that she is but Rogier's ending broke my heart
What about roderika
@@liquidwater1133 and hewg. And even dialos to an extent
Rogier is a noble warrior, a friendly face, has an immaculate fashion sense, and honestly, he's pretty darn cute if you see him without his hat on. 10/10 I will lay down my life for him and give him a smooch.
Definitely one of my favorite characters, one of the few people who treated you like a friend
If you inspect the bloodstain near Godwyn’s face below Stormveil, you’ll see Rogier hanging in air by something. I wonder if there is a similar animation of an incantation or enemy grab attack by which we can go deeper in the lore of how the Prince of Death actually infected him with the thorns. 🤔 Anyways, a good lore video as usual. Keep it up. 👍
It's deathblight :D
The animation that Rogier dies in is the animation that plays if you die to the death status effect. So there are a few incantations that can cause that death animation
I went to the Face last night, it should be noted that slashing it causes blood splatter effects like how you slash a regular enemy. Creepy.
@@TheNapster153
The creepy part about that is because it's Godwyn's alive-nt body. The black knives killed his immortal soul and shoved his body into the roots of the tree. Instead of being reincarnated normally, he keeps showing up as faces in trees (also seen in FIA's second appearance)
@@josedorsaith5261 I'm aware of Godwyn's history. I just wasn't expecting blood of all things to come out. I'd accept if it were puss or white blood like an Albanauric, but red blood implies the Face has a working biology to an extent. Hence, my first thought was to nope out lest I suffer the same fate as Rogier.
Speaking of, my hunch suggest that Rogier did something similar and that was how he got inflicted by Deathblight. Assuming he was already in Fia's employ by this point, than it lends more credence as to why he was in Stormveil to begin with.
Knowing that Godwyn is Undead is different than actually observing his unalive form. In my opinion, Rogier's Investigation was a major step in Fia forming the death rune
You missed the bloodstain near the face under the stormveil castle. Otherwise great vid
The Bloodstain shows the exact moment he was infused with deathblight but we didnt think it was necessary to show since we already know he was infused with death. Probably should have included it though.
@@square-table-gaming its interesting though as that means he died in that moment. Are we talking to Rogier's ghost/soul? What did he get from stormveil? Does deathblight actually work that way? Slowly eating away at him until he goes into eternal slumber? Is this because destined death is sealed? I don't understand the rules of "death" in this lore.
@@mrInhinyero I would assume he can respawn just as we can, but without grace it would eat away at him until he suffered a permanent death. He does say he cannot see grace anymore so it may have very little influence on him anymore.
@@mrInhinyero I'm not knowledgeable enough to say for sure, but I assume that deathblight is more "death" for us as an in game mechanic. For others it might just be an affliction?
@@square-table-gaming Maybe he is guided by helphen? The guidance of the outer god of the twinbird?
There is a very interesting parallel between Rogier's death, Godwyn's corpse and many other creatures like the Albinaurics and Rennala's offsprings. Godwyn's corpse lost his legs which have metamorphosized into a mermaid-like fish tail. The Albinaurics slowly lose their legs, and it's unclear whether this happens on its own, or it's due to the torture they get subjected to. Even the maybe-Albinauric-maybe-not Oracle envoys have no legs and roll around like balls. Rennala's offsprings have no legs, in fact, they crawl around with their legs wrapped in a cloth that somehow reminds of a mermaid's tail. Dragonkin soldiers' legs actually are there, but they're paralyzed and likely useless. Rogier's death occurs because of a slow rot of his legs, which we can never see since they're hidden under that heavy blanket.
What's up with death, legs, and transformation? All these creatures are linked by a strong death/rebirth motif, but I cannot really identify what's the final element that links them all. Still, this is a detail that probably has a meaning, and it's more than just some strange coincidence.
"Always good to see you safe, friend."
Oh Rogier, you were one of many I gladly called friend. Only misguided by your simping.
Much like Blaidd
@@archsteel7 blaaid literally couldn’t stop dumping as he was made a protecter of ranni but when she started harming the greater will his brain was freaking out as above all the greater will protects itself but he wouldn’t hurt ranni so he went insane
@@Potato_tomato47 Yep. Poor boy was made to Simp, and killed by it
Ahh the story of Rogier is that of tragedy
So long, friend.
you can see Rogier die to Deathblight in a bloodstain that appears next to the face below Stormveil, even in offline mode
think the line that he said about apologizing ahead of time was because he probably knew he would be serving FIa as we see him guarding her. Not sure if it was fully willing thing in terms of him having full control. Do believe that he would probably have talked with her and wanted to help her as lionheart believe was his name was the same but assume he died similar to rogier.
What if D's brother was named Gol and when they 3 are all together you can call them Gol D Rogier
I've done some digging and through Dialogue have discovered that D are Devin and Darian.
Bruh it all makes sense now
The one piece is a major shard of the elden ring
if you turn the camera to the right angle, you can see under his sheet. you can see his death roots growing
Rogier’s slumber may be very much like that of the Prince of Death, the body of whom yet lives despite the soul having been slain. Perhaps the Prince of Death is not just spreading the Deathroot, but spreading it’s own condition. Of course, since Rogier is not in the roots of the Erdtree i doubt he’ll start sprouting eyes & faces around the Lands Between
I honestly wish he was saveable, I like his character alot!
We can relate to him so much. Cause like him, we just want to find out the secrets of the land.
Since we know death fuels the eedteee and Godwyn was likely fed to it after his soul died. But only his soul died .. his body is likely still very powerful. So is he manifesting this face the same way Rykard forced his will on the great serpent when it devoured him, resulting in the snake manifesting aspects of Rykard and even becoming him in a way. Is Godwyn now part of the erdtree?
I think the implication is that his cancerous body is spreading along the erdtrees roots, likely trying to take it over in the same way Rykard took over the serpent. It definitely hasnt happened yet, but the infection of the Lands between in certain areas shows it may be working, slowly but surely.
@@square-table-gaming He can probably never have the same influence over the erdtree that rykard has on the serpent because the erdtree seems far more powerful than the serpent and only Godwyns body could be given to the tree.
@danish rahmad Suck in a good way .. not THAT good way
@danish rahmad bc it might be hard to fight a soulless tree man who spews death blight everywhere and is covered in thorns.
@@hennessya96 i wouldn't be too sure about that, The God Devouring Serpent is equally immortal, notice how Rykards head is still pretty much moving and writhing after you 'kill' him. Rykard is not done yet and he is still trying to find a way to devouer the gods, togethaaaahhh
I call Rogier a 'noir magic detective'. He needs some rain and ambient jazz music.
Rogier's Journal. October 12th, 1985. A demigod has diee. This land's afraid of me. I've seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters, and the gutters are full of blood, and when the drains finally scab over all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the tarnished and demigods will look up and shout "Save us!" and I'll whisper "No."
I really liked and adored rogier....was so sad to see him go
You missed a little detail about Rogiers hat it say that he supposedly had heretical practices makes me wonder if alberich was his mentor or something like, that since he was on the balcony outlooking where alberich invades and they are both aristocrats/spellblades, but maybe im just reaching who knows.
Something tells me that both of them may have a connection, but idk
fun fact. its not only the crabs that have godwyns face, the basalisk model was changed to spit death clouds and mimik his face as well.
D said if I remember correctly, that rogier lay with fia quite often. I feel he understood that through fia those who live in death could be saved
I don't quite remember that dialogue but I think it's actually the opposite. In Fia's ending it's the age of death so death returns to the Lands Between, but Rogier's intention was to heal them of an affliction. He disagreed with D wanting them dead for good so it's hard to say.
@@square-table-gaming I think D says the line, I remember it in my first play through so it’s been awhile
Fia says it actually - “Dear Rogier likes to speak of it when he is abed” or something like that
@@kanra5216 I think that’s it yeah
@@colorgreen8728 no D says it too
If you angle the camera below the blanket hiding his legs, you can see a network of thorns winding in and out of his legs.
Rogier is honestly one of my favorite npcs
"He then screws our low level build by giving +8 weapon"
You missed the point that Rogier becomes fia Champion and fights to defend her disgusting Lord.
Perhaps D wasn't wrong and Fia is just a thrall to the god of death and she takes Rogier effectively as a slave when he is consumed by the infection spread by the god of death.
The fact that Rogier under Fia control has no control over his actions points to the fact that Fia has no qualms to use people if it's for her lord.
Also considering Fia's use of Rogier and D's friendship with him it's not so surprising how he hates her.
Seriously, this is the best lore content being produced. No idea how your channel hasn’t blown up yet, but I have no doubt it will if you keep this up.
Omg😭 I just finished his quest, I really thought we end up saving him somehow at the end of his quest🥺...Rogier besto waifu🍻😭
I think that the reason why his face is under storm veil is because that’s where he was assassinated. Godrick and his lineage typically were lording over stormveil so it makes sense that that’s where he died. After he was killed, his body was moved to under the erdtree for a proper burial, which is the other place his face appears, yet obviously it’s much larger.
I thought this at first as well, but various lore points specifically call out the assassins fleeing from the capital, so it couldn't have taken place at stormveil
When I saw that Rogier was one of Fia’s champions as a spirit ash in the deep root depths, I balked and was killed by him.
I wish I had the presence of mind to understand where all these NPCs paths lead and why. I still don’t understand what “Those Who Life In Death” means apart from “Undead”. But how does that happen because of the golden order?
This is possible due to godwyns body spreading death through the lands between. It does this because he was killed by the black knives infused with destined death.
The Golden Order hates them because in the world described by the Golden Order's teachings, 'true' death or death in general isn't allowed. You're meant to have an Erdtree burial and re-enter the cycle. And remember the Rune of Death specifically was removed from the Elden Ring during the time of the Golden Order, so in general the idea of Those Who Live in Death is seen as heretical. They're separated from the 'natural order of things' (as prescribed by the Golden Order). Living as separate beings in a state of undeath rather than re-entering the Erdtree.
That's why they zombies or skeletons. Something is keeping them ambulatory other than the outer will/grace but none consider them alive.
I know there’s not a lot about the banished knights but could you do a video on them. You find them in some interesting spots in the game, and I wonder why they were banished from their homeland.
From what I've gathered they seem to be banished due to their affinity towards dragons. It seems like they may have served them and perhaps even partook in dragon communion, based on the ones you find near the dragon temple. There are also a bunch in Farum Azula, a nexus of primal dragon-sourced activity (based on the beastmen that have mammalian yet also dragon features, the presence of Placidusax and the other minor dragons). I think this would get them banished because the dragons represent the world before the golden order, and those who worship them are not aligned with the current dominating (Golden) order in the lands between.
Partaking in dragon communion seems to be severely frowned upon in the current regime of the Golden Order, and those who do it too much contort into the magma wyrms we fight throughout the game (I believe it is the Magma Wyrm curved greatsword description that says that).
I almost wanna say that the dragons were the lords/ heralds/ higher ups of the order of the crucible before the erdtree but that is way more speculation.
Edit: this is just my two cents. In no way am I saying this is "how it is"
@@melomet3789 I agree with your theory very well spoken, you also pick up the dragon communion seal off a banished knight ghost limgrave.
Hell yeah! Needed something to eat breakfast to! Thanks buddy. Good work.
Happy you dig the content! Falling a little behind.
Great video, one of my favorite places for elden ring lore. I look forward to your future work
Your voice is awesome! Dynamic and relaxing. A tough balance to achieve
The first time I saw Rogier at the Roundtable on game release, I was like “why is this dude covered in shit from the legs down?” Lol
You also missed that he is the second champion of fai in her quest line
It makes sense as he sought to save those living in death. That doesn't deal with his life really, more so his death.
What a good man. I missed alot of this about him my first play thru by not really knowing what to look for and when to talk to him again. Next play thru
Poor Rogier.
If there is ever a alternate dlc ending.
I want your tarnished to give Rogier the title of elden Lord. He deserves it
I played a spell blade in my first play-through so was really sad when he got blighted. He was such a nice NPC.
Man i summoned dude for the boss fight but never actually found him in the castle. I missed one of the best npcs damn 😭
Rogier is elden ring best boi
About the slumber of Ranni and Rogier just mean one thing.
RANNI WAS ROGIER ALL ALONG
Great job. The content is great and the mellow style is perfect for me to listen to while working on something. Keep it up!
Awesome, thank you!
Here! Here! For Rogier!
The whole death faction really is one of my favorites
Rogier fell into a slumber just like Fia did near the end of her quest line in deep root depths. Maybe there is a connection
I legit didn't find Stormveil Castle until I was level 99 and just burned through it. Later, I found some random dude dying on the balcony at the RTH, eventually got his equipment, and still never knew who 'that Roger guy' was...
This is part of what makes the game amazing. The game loads and you go... never know what you may (or may not) find.
this is almost unfathomable. I truly can not comprehend that you didn't find Stormveil til 99. there is a road that leads you directly to it from the Stranded Graveyard. it is gigantic. the northern part of the map isn't even accessible until you pass through/by it. Bravo man. lmfao
@@buttqueef9900 Maybe he means Stormveil proper, after defeating Margit? In my first playthrough I ran around without a crafting kit for most of the early game because I couldn't initially afford it, and then completely forgot about it by the time it started becoming relevent (crafting furled finger remedies).
@@buttqueef9900 I always go the opposite way I think the game wants me to go, so I can find secrets etc., and then get back on path. I guess this time I just kept going...
EDIT: Also, I don't think that's correct - I never had a problem accessing the rest of the map before I found the castle.
@@buttqueef9900 there is a way around Stormveil Castle on the right side, it's very well hidden but it's there.
not sure if you missed it or just cut it from the video but theres a white text next to where you find the pustule that if you interact with it shows how rogier gets the curse on him. Its quiet unique and somewhat hidden.
It's actually a bloodstain that shows him being infected with deathblight. We already mention in the video why he's dying but we probably should have snagged some footage of the bloodstain.
Just another character I wish lived long enough to high five at the end 😢.
Didnt even notice this guy until he was dead at firelink shrine sadly
Rogier was such a good guy... (also, near the giant head, there is his "blood trace". Something took him and mafmde him levitate like Bloodborne's Amygdalas.)
It's death blight. That's the animation for when it kills you
@@square-table-gaming Ok! I didn't know. Thank you!
@@scarykayhost_incubo2274 no prob!
I wish I had seen this earlier. I'm now realizing I have locked myself out of his questline.
The first npc helping us with the first main boss
I just feel bad that he is the only one that speaks to us like a regular human being to one of his actual friends.
These videos are my drug of choice
If you click the blood stain just right of the face you see how Rogier got injured.
Great stuff! I am hereby subscribed
Maybe those faces are failed manifestations of Godwyn? Due to him lacking a soul ofc, manifesting properly is doomed to fail.
On the topic of Godwyn’s face appearing in two places - in deep root depths there seems to be lots of scaly snake-like skin around his corpse. I think it might be more likely that his corpse was assimilated by the god-devouring serpent. We know Rykard did play some role in helping Ranni orchestrate the night of black knives, so it would make sense for the serpent to have access to Gydwyn’s body. This could mean that when the serpent shed it’s skin, it also shedded a husk of Godwyn’s face, thus explaining why there are two corpses.
It also makes sense that the face is so big since we see rykard's post-absorbed face in the fight. Another youtube lore duder made a similar comment, thinking that godwyn was eaten by the God-serpent. Certainly an interesting concept, rykard certainly has something to do with ranni's plot
The flaw with this is that I believe there is an item description saying that it is effectively a cancerous growth on the roots and that there are more than the sole body and the face on the roots. We may see more of them in the DLC if we can access more underground areas of the game etc.
The scales are more likely from Fortissax as he’s in the deathbed dream, as much as I like this theory I just think there’s too much going against it
@@declicitous1763 ah that's true. Yeah it's a neat idea I just dont know how much uncontroversial evidence there is to support it
Elden rings friendship is a scam all our friends end up dying 😂
My first reaction was "wait, Rogier has a questline?"
Completely missed it
I would love having death flames that the omen use but as an incantation that coats our sword, we would spray it on our weapon like them. Another one would be death flames in a forward motion out of our mouth, like the omen. It would do holy damage, like the eclipse shotel
Personally I would love to have ghostflame that the death rite bird use as an incantation or sorcery.
@@TrickyMellow you actually can, one spell explosive ghostflame
@@colorgreen8728 yeah I know, but what I mean is I want more than that single spell. Like ghostflame bolt that can be cast repeatedly (think of pebble), weapon enchanment or something instead of that singular aoe spell we currently have.
@@TrickyMellow I’d absolutely love that too, it would be amazing to have in the game! I wish that the rancor spells actually did frostbite as they are pretty much ghostflame, but I’d love weapon enchantment and stuff like that a whole bunch
Love the way you narrate
Thank you!
My friend keeps calling him uncle Roger
Lol i missed so much in my first playthrough, i simply thought that he had his legs grafted by Godrick and never figured out what his connection with D and deathroot was, even less with Ranni.
Thanks for this video, I was searching for something to watch.
When we fight Fia’s champions, Rogier is one of them that fights us the player alongside with Lionel, is there sum connection to this? Or is it just a spirit ash that is a mimic of Rogier?
we find Lionels armour in Leyndell, next to a dress that looks like Fias. Both characters got the deathbed companion treatment from Fia, and she is talking about that Rogier is laying next to her
“Rogier is rather skilled”
Bro did nothing when I was fighting margit
Sounds like he just didn't like you
I kept going to avenge roger but in the end I lost my way and became the lord of frenzied flame
I’m at new game plus 8 btw and I choose the same ending every damn time. Chaos consumes all so we can start fresh
did you know that one of the bloodstains around Godwyn's corpse is one of Rogier's? Its easier to notice if you play offline - it shows him being impaled by thorns
Yup! That is the Deathblight taking hold and due to Rogier no longer being connected to grace, instead of respawning he is made permanently ill until he dies.
Rogier the true homie
this hero saved me against margit - i own him a lot
then he gave me his blade - i used it a lot
the best NPC in elden ring for me
Not sure if it's unknown or just unimportant, but I've never heard anyone mention the eyes in the tree stumps having eyes. Specifically the ones where you fight the mariner
Obviously he is Rogier, blade of spell...
He's like Lucatiel from DS2. A rapier user who slowly loses their mind
I kept waiting to see if you'd click the bloodstain to show how Rogier got hit with deathblight, but... :(
We had footage that ended up on the cutting room floor. Kind of an oversight on our part
Just got his set , cant believe he just sat there waiting to die he was like the only NPC i have no intention of killing :c
Deathblight will do that to a guy who can't revive anymore
●There actually is a Blood Stain of Rogier's death, didnt notice my first playthough, i had multiplayer turned off and wondered who died infront of the face
What of the buzzing near to where Rogier is siting? its like bugs are eating his legs
a horn dog that's who
I held that sword with me, though I was a mage.
I ask you: would Rogier be happy with the Duskborn ending? Is this what he would have liked if he obtained the cursemark? Or would he hate it if immortality is ridden from the land, since he respected Ranni's decision to murder Godwyn to cast eternal life upon the lands? All he said is that he wanted to protect those who killed Godwyn. Does that mean he also wants likes if things stay this way? Or would he like Fia's way of things?
Rogier got into his demise 3 days ago in my playthrough. I still am not over it. Especially the fact I couldn't bond more with him and I still don't really understand why he wanted the cursemark. I come here to the commentsection to find people that are not just playing the game to get sick loot, but actually care for the characters. And I care a lot damn...
I don't think he'd be jazzed about that ending. He wanted to cure those who live in death, not necessarily spread death across the lands between.
@@square-table-gaming Understandable. But yet I don't know if any ending frees those who live in death.
@@square-table-gaming Ah and thank you for your super quick answer. It determines my way on viewing the possible endings. Maybe the Elden Lord shall become mad because of Rogier's death and will curse everyone lol
2nd playthrough I realized he was kinda cool. His death is just to from npc standard to make me sad though.
He's the main character. Our life is just a spinoff in his.
Now the question is, had Rogier not been paralyzed, would he have stayed loyal to Fia, or would he turned on Fia in favor of serving Lady Ranni?
Likely Fia since he believed those who live in death were a victim of circumstance.
Shit like this is why I just decide to watch this whole world burn with the frenzy flame
A 🫡 for Rogier
Great lore.😺
If you wonder why he is really cursed if you go to the Godwyn face under stormveil castle their is a bloodstain and if you touch it he is impaled by a scarlet rot weapon that is a spear I say commander o,neil did it
Just struck me as a guy struggling with a terrible form of IBS.
So... Who else has noticed that the explanation of those who live in death kinda doesn't make sense...
Godwyn attached to the root of the Great tree is causing those who live in death. But there are Pustules in Faram Azula. And undead beastmen.
There are no roots reaching Faram Azula and one could assume that Faram Azula has been detached from the greater Landmass since before the night of black knives.
Which means SOMETHING about the story we get is a lie, or at least, has been forgotten.
So death existed in farum Azula before it was hidden within Malikeths blade. I think that would explain this. Also, Farum Azula exists somehow outside of time. Godwyn isn't the projenitor of destined death, just it's current vessel since he was slain with the black knife.
A truley good lad