Elden Ring Lore - Brother Corhyn, the Hypocrite
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- Опубликовано: 23 сен 2022
- Brother Corhyn is meant to be our instructor in the art of Golden Order Incantations, however his quest spans the Lands Between. Find out the truth behind this man and whether his allegiance lies to knowledge or faith in this episode of Elden Lore.
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The Virgin Coryn: prefers blind devotion and won’t accept a different way.
The Ever Brilliant Chad Goldmask: believes that with faith should come true introspection and confronting the flaws in the system.
@@seratoxin3825 A more accurate term is that faith is belief in something, blind devotion or not it's all faith
Fai only vs Fai-Int in a nutshell.
It is okay if I refer to him as “The ever brilliant chad-mask” instead?
@@GearShotgun yeah, probably a better title
@@seratoxin3825 he was in fact, not right initially
Something about seeing coryhn crying while gold mask T poses next to him is so funny
Power Stance
Lmao
Brother coryhn's journey and end is both interesting and tragic, I was surprised at the end how he rejects the idea of the elden ring being flawed and then dies holding onto his beliefs.
He'd rather die thinking he was right than live knowing he misplaced his faith
@@square-table-gaming well at least my Faith (stats) were not misplaced cause he taught me some dope spellls
Does he die? I was under the impression that he just goes away.
@@Ohmagawdjr he ded
man ws a living embodiment of a once great kingdom refusing to let go, core recipe of fromsoft
Corhyn: “I’m going to find Goldmask and learn from him, he’s a true follower of the Golden Order!
Goldmask: “We don’t understand everything there is to know about the Greater Will, it’s not perfect and there’s room for new truths to be applied.
Corhyn: 😡
The way I see it, Corhyn WAS chosen by grace because of his refusal to let go of his prophecies, rejecting the blind dogma of the Golden Order in pursuit of what he saw as the truth, much like how Goldmask rejected the perfection of the Golden Order in pursuit of the truth. However, instead of interpreting his guidance as a reward for his iron will in pursuit of the truth, he instead interpreted it as a reward for his faith in the Order, which is quite literally the opposite of why he was graced in the first place. Heck, his blind zealotry is likely why his guidance was eventually lost.
Its a bit of an ironic tragedy, really.
I knew he was a hypocrite the moment I gave him the two fingers prayerbook and he went “tHiS iS hErEsy!!!”
I find it funny that Cohryn doesn't even know why the tree's burning, despite him whining about it at the guy who did it.
Corhyn is one of the best voiced characters in the game, especially as he speaks in distress about goldmask
That is true but you have to see the kalé cut quest is voiced god damn it’s amazing
@@not_a_bt.wavformat2909 I reeeeeeaaaally hope they add his quest back in. I don't understand why they removed it, as it was so damn good and would have fit perfectly with the Frenzied Flame ending.
That's not True, GoldMask is the best voiced character.
"noo master please don't stop! I was so close meh meh meh!"
@@Br0kenMask now say this out of context
The Greater Will does in fact have a written and communicable language. The cover on the Two Fingers' Prayerbook isn't just circles. They're circles that are made in an unbroken script with dissimilar characters. It's extremely similar to the One Ring script from the Lord of the Rings.
The rules of The Golden Order could have possibly been written by the Greater Wills physical Two Fingers, interpreted, and written down.
Goldmask is using the same language to speak back to the Greater Will. He's using his finger to sign it. That's what Corhyn is recording. The issue with that is that Goldmask doesn't have a physical second person in his conversation. Since he's clearly communicating, he has to have some kind of direct connection to the Greater Will.
If Goldmask is directly communicating with the Greater Will, the second issue that arises is the speed of communication. The Roundtable Fingermaiden remarks that the Greater Will could take thousands of years to communicate its message.
Goldmask is somehow directly plugged into the Greater Will. His existence is either so interesting to the Greater Will, so at one with the Golden Order, or some other idea that he's bypassing all known methods of communication.
I posted this idea to the Elden Ring subreddit months ago but it never got any attention. I tweeted at you with pics and the minor explanation that relates to them.
Thank you for reaching out on this! Definitely keeping it in our back pocket for a future dive into Goldmask and you can expect a shout out for helping us on this path.
I think the simplest solution is that he isnt communicating with the greater will,bit with the erdtree itself or elden beast.
The Fingermaiden says it could take The Greater Will thousands of years until it communicates with her/Two Fingers again as it was presumably consoling itself on what to do in regards to the sudden rise of the Tarnished and Queen Marika’s betrayal. The Greater Will could very well be communicating to Goldmask in a similar way as he would with her but directly thanks to Goldmask’s intellectual capabilities. Goldmask’s intelligence seems to be on a different realm as our own, direct communication with The Greater Will could very well be possible for him.
I think the fact that Goldmask is the only being that can communicate with the Greater Will and doing a better job than the RTH's Two Fingers, is understated and significant.
@@seratoxin3825 I mean, a big advantage these games have is the near infinite possibilities for theorycrafting and making shit up. It sounds reasonable enough to me, doesn't go against my own theories, and, off the top of my head, doesn't go against anything stated in the game. Not to mention, I personally believe that item descriptions are a form of unreliable narrator, since they also tend to reference common beliefs and such, not just straight up facts.
Always found it incredibly ironic that Corhyn teaches you Flame Sling, an incantation representing cardinal sin against the Golden Order…
The man with blindfolds simply refused to see the truth even in front of him
Goldmask's ending to me is the one that best fits with the themes of the series: When you fail figure out what you did wrong and try again to get things right.
An ideal ending. But I still think Ranni's ending was more fitting because of the dark, sinister nature of not just the golden order but the greater will itself.
@@Oryyyt forget ideals, embrace chaos and become the based lord.
Or just burn it all
@@Zenoferrum chaos is a cringe, childish tantrum ending. "life is bad sometimes so lets end everything!"
@@dislikebutton9571 you're looking at ideals again! I wanna burn everything so I WILL burn everything! Can't have ideals if I burn them all
Goldmask realized you could circumvent Fingers entirely as mediators and tries to commune through his "gesture-language" with the Greater Will directly.
He realizes that flaws of the world are flaws inherent in egoistical human gods, (Marika, demigods, etc) and then produces rune that excludes gods and need for them entirely, allowing people directly commune with the Greater Will.
Fingers are essentially holding unto broken system, Marika's betrayal revealing how frail that system really is. Those that hold that Fingers are infallible, fall to worship the religious system instead of Greater Will.
In Corhyn's questline, his faith is revealed to be centered around Erdtree and Fingers. Even though they are just relatively meagre works and vassals of the Greater Will.
Erdtree has slowly turned into object of faith itself, unlike let's say Moon, Rot God, or Formless Mother who are directly worshipped by their supplicants.
Cohryn does call the two fingers' incant tomes "heresy",
so i don't think he was centreing his faith on them, just the tree and GW.
Also, idk your evidence for Goldmask's "fixed faith". Plus, how do we know GW isn't egotistical too like with most human gods?
From the words that the finger readers say when they get hit and disappear (up to 3 times before looping), GW seems to WANT people to blindly believe it's words as fact, and to intimidate those who disobey.
That blind fanaticism is one of the major problems in the land. It leads to discrimination and purges that had gone on for too long. Ironically enough, Corhyn represents a system where the faithful will pursue a self destructive crusade against all beings that are not affiliated with the GO. This had caused an endless amount of wars and even their most fanatic would bend to forbidden arts such as weaponized perfume, artificial monstrosities like the gargoyles and even heresy, ironic that the fanatics would commit heresy to get rid of who they deem as heretical.
Humm Marika and her children are flawed, sure, but why believe that the Golden order is imperfect because of them and the Fingers and not because of the Greater Will? He's literally at the origin of it and it's the Fingers language who is interpreted, the Fingers can communicate with the Greater Will directly so i believe there's little chance they misunderstand what it want.
@@efaristi9737 Its a fairly popular theory that the Greater Will Doesn't care about the Golden Order specifically, and in fact Is fine with ANY Order, even Dung Eater's or, possibly, Ranni's.
Granted, there are some assumptions made, but the lore Is so full of Holes and questions without answers that Will hopefully be answered in the DLC That i can forgive some assumptions.
@@inserisciunnome I thought Marika based her order on the Fingers will? Why would she go over such lentgh to destroy the Golden Order if it was entirely her idea and not imposed by someone else? I know she kinda lost her mind after Godwyn death but she did plotted the destruction of her order well before that... Or did she scheme her succession? It's so confusing. I mean, if you do mend the elden Ring, you become Marika consort and continue the age of the golden order, except if you choose the path of Frenzied Flame or of Stars but thoses paths are not connected to the Greater Will.
It's interesting that he thinks that every prayerbook except for the Golden Order one is heresy. While it makes sense for Fire Monk ones and Godskin incantations (and even Dragon Cult to some extent, although the Gravel Stone Seal description says it didn't contradict the Golden Order and was accepted in the Capital), why does he say the same about Two Fingers incantations? Aren't they direct servants of the Greater Will? While calling Assassin Prayerbook heresy might have some merits (as in, it might be "necessary evil" accepted by the Two Fingers), Two Fingers prayerbook is not really heretical. And Corhyn teaches many Two Fingers incantations by default.
He is like a man who only believes in Pepperoni Pizza. When presented with pineapple pizza, he denies its intersectionality as a pizza, and casts it aside as being a calzone.
@@commanderty94 then he found out his master thought anchovies was the ultimate pizza and got mindbroken
@@commanderty94 this metaphor is perfect, 10/10
@@commanderty94 holy shit that’s a good comparison. A hilarious one aswell lol
@@commanderty94 just wanted to say this is one of the funniest comments I’ve seen in a hot minute. Thank you good sir, and my the golden order shine on you
Corhyn will refuse the tonic if offered. The option changes the questline but the item remains in your inventory. He does not take the tonic.
When you talk to him after you defeat Maliketh, his dialogue suggests that he took it, similar to giving Rya the Potion of Forgetfulness.
It's probably a developer oversight, similar to how Mohg was originally supposed to be a recurring nameless mini-boss before being repurposed as the person who kidnaps Miquella.
He seemed so respectful that it's unfortunate to learn the truth about him.
really? because from software have a thing for putting this type of character on their games to be hypocrite or just go mad at the end of their quest, upon learning the truth of their order or belief
I think it would have been cool it he got a different ending if you managed to give him every prayer book. That when he read about so many different faiths to teach you their incantations, he began to have his eyes opened to the truth. Just an idea I had.
I offer him the tonic, i thought it was the only way i could continue the quest because he seem to rejected it, kinda regret it then. I fully support Goldmask in this, he was one of the only person i trusted besides Ranni, he saw the flaw in the Golden Order and seek not only to repair it, but Perfected it, i know by agreeing with him i still put the Greater Will on the seat of power but at least his Golden Order would be better than what Marika, Godfrey and Radagon led. We saw what the Golden Order did to the Omen, Demi Humans, Misbegotten and everyone that's considered as "Heretics" by the Greater Will. And Goldmask probably saw the truth in that, and understand that the Golden Order possessed flaw that needs correction, at least that's what i understand, and Corhyn should've been grateful for what Goldmask did, kinda sad to know that he rejected the truth right before his eyes, he was one of the character i considered as an ally. Knowing his quest ended like this if i didn't give him the tonic kinda broke me
The Greater Will does not give a shit. The intro cinematic tells you the GW abandoned the Lands Between. And by slaying the Elden Beast you truly sever it's connection.
@@portalmanHUN not so Greater Will after all 🤣
"Goldmask in this, he was one of the only person i trusted besides Ranni" Man, thats some polar opposites to trust. XD
@@spottedslash4256 Compared to Fia and Dung Eater, they're probably saner 😩
now this goes without saying, but you forgot to mention miriel in your group of friends that you trust.
I think it's kind of a harsh judgment to pass on the man. He was given a lot to swallow. Greater men than him might have choked too.
Thats right
He's a worthless fool and I smited him with Marika's hammer on my second playthrough.
how so? someone said the current system is flaw and need to be rectify and he just wont accept it at all like the video said he wanted someone to validate his belief
@@dr.vegapunk5853 Well, he's just now learning this about the -only- thing he's believed in his entire life. He hasn't had the benefit you and I have had of being exposed to the possibility that anything else is true.
It's like living in a shut up house with your parents and no TV, and learning, "Hey, the sky isn't blue, it's green".
@@SgtBuffagor and upon me learning and seeing the sky is blue and not green i would thought that my parent lie and think later what else did they lie about and move forward not crumble and break because a system is flaw
I think this one is tragically beautiful. In this brutal world this quest required no violence. Just watching and waiting
When a wise man points at the moon; the fool looks at his finger.
Turns out the guy who spends all his free time t-poising at a tree was just insane
Idk man, only if you believe corhyn, and that guys a dick
Hello cohryn
T-posing is how you assert dominance and Goldmask asserted so much dominance he became a rune that fixes a entire religion.
@@ForestX77 worked for Jesus right?
@@jackp492 underrated comment
I love how you still get the option to learn incantations from him when he's frekaing out. Just "Yeah yeah. Who cares about your existental crisis. Teach me incantations."
Leave it to a souls character to go crazy at the end of this long quest....
I think Coryhn is supposed to represent the followers of Christ who, upon seeing Jesus' death, no longer believed in Him. If the Erdtree is supposed to be a manifestation of the Greater Will (elden ring's substitution for God) than it fits pretty well. Just my interpretation.
But even when it burns and you fight him he still cried out for the blessing of the golden order so I don't think he ever loses his faith. His faith in Goldmask, sure, but the order itself he was blindly faithful till the end.
@@dbearded130 well yeah, the Jews who followed Christ would likely have kept their faith in God, and lost their faith in Jesus because He died. (even if they were to hear of His resurrection). Many of the Pharisees and Jews believed the Messiah would come as a conquerer or warrior like King David, and conquer the romans. Many such Jews were disappointed when the Messiah was killed by the Romans and so refused to believe He was the Messiah. like so, Coryhn kept his faith in the Golden Order and refused to believe any different account of its doings than those he previously believed. It's not completely airtight, and thought it's probably wrong, it's just my theory. I definitely think there's a parallel to early Christianity to be found in Coryhn, though.
@@dbearded130 Let's just say Goldmask and us give the update just like how Jesus did from Abrahamic laws to Christianity some can't move on, they still believe in one true god but with diffrent interpretation. Coryn can't move on from old teachings.
@@mrpitman2428 solid. It is kind of funny that we, as Christians, often take umbrage at the idea of fundamentalists always being viewed in a bad light, because we take it as a slight on ourselves. But really, it could be an allegory to many religions. We just use pseudo-Christian wordage and garments on the character because it identifies him the most to a western audience.
It could also just not be a critique or allegory on the real world at all. Most of Elden Ring exists as a fantasy with little to no parallels to our world.
I actually really like corhyn, in a pitiful kind of way. He truly believes he's good for nothing and hopes that being a scribe for goldmask will give him a purpose, but when goldmask pokes flaws in the only thing he's ever known/put his life into its enough for him to break. Also his head is in a wheel and thats funny
I think the wheel is some kind of punishement since he can't rest his head to spleep
Regression seems to be a theme with this entire questline.
Another little lore tidbit comes from the fact that one of the first incantations he teaches you is Catch Flame.
In the description of the incantation it reads: "The flame of ruin is anathema to the Erdtree. But prophets sometimes glimpse it within the faith all the same. Sadly when this occurs their sole reward is banishment." This ties into the description of his robes. He foresaw that the Erdtree would burn and was exiled for it.
Funny thing I gave him the two fingers prayer book just to see what he would say despite having the spells, and he called the work of the two fingers heresy
I just saw someone else talked about this
Whoops
I believe Rainbow's song Stargazer is a fitting story to compliment our dear brother's journey.
High noon, oh I'd sell my soul for water
Nine years worth of breakin' my back
There's no sun in the shadow of the wizard
See how he glides, why he's lighter than air
Oh I see his face!
Where is your star?
Is it far, is it far, is it far?
When do we leave?
I believe, yes, I believe
In the heat and the rain
With whips and chains
To see him fly
So many die
We build a tower of stone
With our flesh and bone
Just to see him fly
But don't know why
Now where do we go?
Hot wind, moving fast across the desert
We feel that our time has arrived
The world spins, while we put his dream together
A tower of stone to take him straight to the sky
Oh I see his face!
Where is your star?
Is it far, is it far, is it far?
When do we leave?
Hey, I believe, I believe
In the heat and the rain
With whips and chains
Just to see him fly
Too many die
We build a tower of stone
With our flesh and bone
To see him fly
But we don't know why
Ooh, now where do we go
All eyes see the figure of the wizard
As he climbs to the top of the world
No sound, as he falls instead of rising
Time standing still, then there's blood on the sand
Oh I see his face!
Where was your star?
Was it far, was it far
When did we leave?
We believed, we believed, we believed
In heat and rain
With the whips and chains
To see him fly
So many died
We built a tower of stone
With our flesh and bone
To see him fly
But why
In all the rain
With all the chains
Did so many die
Just to see him fly
Look at my flesh and bone
Now, look, look, look, look,
Look at his tower of stone
I see a rainbow rising
Look there, on the horizon
And I'm coming home, I'm coming home, I'm coming home
Time is standing still
He gave back my will
Ooh ooh ooh ooh
Going home
I'm going home
My eyes are bleeding
And my heart is leaving here
But it's not home
But it's not home
Ooh
Take me back
He gave me back my will
Ooh ooh ooh ooh
Going home
I'm going home
My eyes are bleeding
And my heart is leaving here
But it's not home
But it's not home
Ooh
Take me back, take me back
Back to my home ooh, ooh, ooh
gold mask turns around to cohryn after hearing his cries and says "what are you looking at me for? idk anything about no greater will. im just spamming the gesture button"
I like how you smoked his boots while you were narrating about how he was zealot and a hypocrite... that was a nice touch.
Cohryn believed in Dogma (Traditionalism). He didn't Believe in the Faith or in this case the (Truth). So he dismissed Goldmask as Crazy, easier to Cope with. The Goldmask ending was my personal Ending in Elden Ring. Goldmask was the only one that didn't have a faction, wasn't trying to seduce or manipulate you into following there path for there benefit. He just Follow his own path, and if you wanted to figure the mystery of The Golden Order was your personal choice. He wasn't trying to Betray or usurp the Order. He was trying to fix it.
Hey STG, I was hoping you could answer a request to look into the lore of Eleonora, her history with Yura, and the Drake Knights. I find it odd that Eloenora doesn't have the tattoo most other npc invaders have on her forehead. Thanks!
Definitely worth investigating. We're going to stick to spooky enemies for October but we'll add these to the top of our list.
something funny about Corhyn asking you to "look at it. the culmination of perfection, burning, before our very eyes!"
bro isn't even aware of how blind he is.
I swear you somehow make me appreciate the characters more every lore vid, you must be doing something right lmao.
btw did you already breakdown what exactly are the ravenmount assassins? much love!
Funny for a guy so devoted to this "perfect" Golden Order one of the things in his base inventory are fire incantations which is heavily repugnant to the Order so he was already running from the truth
The incantation - rejection, is basically Cohryn.
You know what they say of reeds that don't bend in the wind,
And so poor Corhyn snapped :/
Our Tarnished is not some random guy or gal. They are most probably Demi Gods, children of Marika who lost their grace and died. In the start of the game we hear wind chant and stomping of the bell bearer mountains which signalled grace reaching to us. It is very likely that a child of Marika was revived or at least we were connected to them. Maybe a grave robber who managed to steal something and get attention of Grace.
I think we're forgetting the most important part of the C man's quest: it's where you get the T-pose.
Your lore videos are the best Elden Ring lore videos out there with SmoughTown 💯 keep up the great work guys
Thank you!
Its normal, he has dedicated his life to a belief proven as false, and he knows the truth too when the tree burns. Spite for his wasted years for a lie, maybe, thats why he fights at the end...
I wish that fight initiated on its own. It only happens if you attack him
was a life-saver. Thanks a lot.
I think you're being a little harsh on buddy boy here. People of the lands between are brought to believe in the golden order above all else, assured since childhood that it means the very best for them and their friends and family. That kind of entrenched belief is difficult to shake off, and for Corhyn reality hit him with a great deal of force all at once. Not helped by the fact Gold mask didn't really seem to give a shit about Corhyns presence and thus was unlikely to ease him into a better understanding of the world.
Perhaps in a less tumultuous time Corhyn could have had the opportunity to adapt, but given the state we find the lands between in he simply had no such luxury.
I think Corhyn makes it obviously why he ultimately fails. He isn't an intellectual. He is a believer. His faith and passion is strong but his mind is sadly plodding and rigid. He can't comprehend how the golden order might be otherwise than perfect. This deficiency is precisely why Cornyn ultimately betrays his principles by refusing to behold truth. He said it himself that his mind is far too mediocre. He just hoped the truth was something that he could understand by standing in the reflected glory of others. This, unfortunately, was true. But his less than agile mind balked at these revolutionary thoughts and ultimately turned on itself.
Corhyn can be seen as a cautionary tale. A mind not prepared for a burden will ultimately falter and betray itself. His hypocrisy is not fully his own fault. If he had someone who nurtured his mind properly he probably could have made the leap of faith. But all he had was himself. Goldmask cared not at all for his scribe. Maybe didn't even realize the young man was there at all and so did nothing to ease Corhyn into the understanding he needed. So I cannot blame Corhyn for finding refuge in zealotry when he only had himself to rely on in understanding truths far beyond him.
all i remember of that guy: "ThAt is a wORk of HEresY!"
I swear I felt like I was visiting an inquisitor every time I gave him a book
the golden order is just as single-mindeldy destructive as the frenzied flame. theyre both sides of the same coin, and used to be two halves of a more balanced whole. i wihs i knew what caused the separation
Ever brilliant Golden Mask: T-poses the Golden Order to a perfection, with only hes brilliant mind, refuses to elaborate.
Sister Crywimp: *Screeching*
I will never forgive Corhyn for deeming the spell buck's I gave him heretical and gives me only one spell he owes me an extra incantation.
Thumbnail goes hard man
Our artist Pat Gee always goes hard
This is exactly what i was looking for when i looked up "brother corhyn elden ring lore." The only part that disappoints me is the fact your videos aren't as popular as others
I appreciate that! We're happy for the audience we have, you guys rule.
The exile soldiers and the penal colonies! Also can you explain why storm veil castle has holes everywhere and thorns?
I think it’s important the ever brilliant gold mask houses fundamentalist ideals while corhyn sticks to erdtree faith this allows the ever brilliant gold mask to ever brilliantly see the flaws and cracks in the order
these are great videos. great speculation, well produced. your voice is very calm and I like the down tempo atmosphere, almost as if these tales are being told over a chilly winter night huddled around a fire. my one criticism is that sometimes the audio levels are inconsistent video to video. i work in audio so maybe only i notice that. otherwise keep it up!
Corhyn greatest error of all is to put faith in the man Goldmask and elevate him to too great a height,If Golden order is supposed to be perfect then it doesn’t matter what Goldmask say or think.Corhyn failure ultimately comedown to him lacking proper faith in the Golden order.
Do me a solid and turn down the in game music while recording clips for your videos. Aside from that, love you, love your vids.
Good call
The truth about Radagon = Marika can only be revealed by an incantation that requires great intelligence, but no faith. You have to go beyond faith to understand the golden order, and golden order fundamentalist incantations require the union of faith and intelligence. Much like the true revelation of R = M requires seeing destruction and creation not as opposites, but as a unified whole. A ring.
Law of regression. A ring, a cycle
Oh wow, he actually does have white hair. I thought he was just bald this whole time. A+ Deep Lore.
Loves this analysis, he’s one of my favorites for his kindness but him being a hypocrite is all too true!
I offered Coryhn the tonic and he never took it. He said "would that I could'. Seeing the golden order as imperfect truly broke him, but he couldn't bring himself to forget the truth. He died with his ideals in his chest. RIP Corhyn.
Interesting. If you give him the tonic you should be able to find him after farum azula asking where goldmask went
@@square-table-gaming For sure, but he never takes the tonic. He just laughs and says the he would that he could. His belief never allowed him to accept goldmasks interpretation of the golden order, so he dies with his faith in his heart.
He scolds goldmask before he dies as well. Casting him out as a heretic which is false. Goldmask was a fundamentalist, truly devoted to the golden order. It's just that the golden order was an imperfect lie that the people of the lands between followed. The golden order caused the downfall of the greater will's influence in the lands between, I think. The greater will didn't care about it, as long as it's adherents followed its commands. It's followers went sideways, creating an unnecessary, fanatical religion. It didn't care about their dumb religion!
@@MistaCUNextTuesday if you talk to Corhyn at the bridge after burning the tree his dialog suggests that he in fact takes the tonic. It stays in your inventory probably due to a bug.
He spends his time with his head stuck in a wheel, he is not a smart man...
Cover art goes hard (as always)
I do agree with some things but also disagree with small aspects of the video. His storyline is interesting but I don't necessarily believe he was a person that wanted to live in ignorance as much as him just not being able to accept or comprehensive the truth. In the elden ring world this is basically like their beliefs and it makes it far more believable in my opinion. I mean imagine a mere normal person being told the entire truth of the world and how everything happened that contradicts all beliefs of modern day and even ur own... that would be a lot to take in for anyone. He learned the truth that nobody really knew... besides few of the higher level gods in the lore
I don't agree that he is a hypocrite. He holds to his faith for better or worst.
We believe it's hypocritical to claim to be searching for the truth and then outright reject it.
@@square-table-gaming in term of a scholar your point is valid, but in terms of a believer he is valid in not wavering in his belief.
@@dmitc01 totally agree, however Corhyn can't have it both ways.
@@square-table-gaming fair enough. I'll call him a cleric and not a scholar. Seems like semantic gymnastics but I thing there is enough of a difference, subtle as it may be to pull it off.
Everbased goldmask is the GOAT.
The thing about Brother Cohryn is that he is a prophet. Which means one day saw the Erdtree burning and awoke the powers of the fire Giant.
For that he was probably imprisoned and tortured by the golden order until he was rehabilitated.
So he is forcing himself to believe that the erdtree is perfect and inmortal and will neve be burned. But deep down he is scared his vision wasn't mere dream but what will inevitably happen.
Honestly Gold Mask dying to Brother Coryhns is an ironic twist. One who sought to safeguard the world from Outer Gods still wont be saved from the fickleness of Man Death and war will still be just as common afterwards.
I think it may have been intentional. He may have needed to die to finish his mending rune
@@square-table-gaming I can see that as well, But Coryhns dialogue is highly suggestive and add that with his mental state, the burning of the erdtree, and his Master Goldmask basically confirming it *needed* to be burned in order for the rune to mend the ring. He definitely had no copium to drink to handle all that and would've reacted.
Great video again
Funny you end on saying his story is one of regression as the trigger for it is us using law of regression.
It just shows the interaction between faith and... fear.
... So, Marika is THE ONLY God of the Golden Order, yes?
She's made of stone.
Dragons are made of stone, and can take human form. But they are also Gold and belief in them doesn't work against the Order.
There is a Dragon Elden Lord that is missing his god.
I keep saying this but people think I'm crazy. But Placidusax was either Marika's first Godfrey or Marika's first Radagon. She -IS- behind the missing heads, I know it, either BEING them as she was the other to Radagon, or leading Godfrey and his Crucible Knights against Placcy. I just need to find the missing thread that proves it.
Placidusax is a poser. You heard it here first.....
@@emptyvessel3054 I mean, there's more substance to Godfrey being a poser. "First Elden Lord" my ass.
@@AlriikRidesAgain No argument there. But godfrey served hos purpose, unlike a certain dragon lord. I think placi failed in his purpose which is why we have godfrey in the first place.
I think he only shows up at the Ashen Capital if you don't give him the tonic. If you offer him the potion he'll refuse and you'll find him left behind on the same bridge asking where Goldmask went. That's how it played out for my run. I also don't think he ever takes the tonic because it seems Goldmask simply just leaves him for the same reasons your mention; he's was more interested in upholding the status quo than rebuilding a better Golden Order. I'm not sure Corhyn would have consented to either the creation of Goldmask's new rune or his death without some pushback so he was left behind.
Although I do like the implications of not giving him the tonic; that Corhyn might have murdered Goldmask.
Especially since brother corhhyn has is wearing a blindfold
Rather surprised that his quest doesn't have different endings depending on given to him tomes like it is for ds3 Irina of carim...
Corhyn should go to the places I have been....it will help him understand how everything is messed up....................to the point that I'm beginning to believe that I might be one of the antagonists in this whole story...........................
I tend to disagree with your conclusion on Corwin's character, but I think that's because I view Goldmask's "prefect order" in a bad light.
Now, I believe the Golden Order is broken by design, which Goldmask saw and Corwin rejects, but Godmask's answer was to throw away the Gods and shackle mortal freewill directly to the Outer Gods. ... This, coupled with witnessing the divine symbol of his faith burning before his eyes broke an admittedly weak man.
I actually kinda liked him; he was one of the few kind NPCs
I feel like he represents the fanatical belief in a system
"That is a work of heresy. Its incantations bear no lineage from the Erdtree." -🤓
This book is heresy! ...Okay, I'll teach you, but I'm not happy about it
Great video!!! :)
Thank you!
So cohryn believes that the golden order's beliefs are strange or? And yess more elden ring lore and I always like listening to these elden ring lore videos
Corhyn believes the golden order is infallible and goldmask sees the need for a new rune to mend the Elden ring which would change the golden order. Also, don't worry, elden lore isn't going anywhere! I was really burnt out and we ended up skipping a week but we're back on track to put out a new episode every Saturday
C U R S E M Y M E D I O C R E M I N D
i love your armour set
Thank you! It's Blaidd's armor altered to remove the cape and the noble hood
In my run he died at some point somehow
Does anyone else think he pushed goldmask?
Probably an intentional choice of words on your part. But it is interesting that Coryn ends up as a representation of the Law of Regression. Maybe I'm reading into it a bit but Goldmask in my opinion, is representative the Law of Causality. Thoughts?
I believe Corhyn would not represent the law of regression. The spell tells us "Regression is the pull of meaning; that all things yearn eternally to converge." Corhyn outright rejects meaning and doesn't want convergence between other ideas and the Golden Order, he seeks only to preserve the order. I think you could argue he stands against regression.
Ka is a wheel baby.
Have you tried explaining the Runes?
Ok idk if that build has been used before but... that build right at the start of the video and used throughout... is that a gael homage? The red hood, huge sword, jumping around like a beast.
Or was that just coincidence?
I've gotten that a lot, but to be honest, I just really love the Blaidd armor. The fact that is a great cosplay is just a cherry on top.
Think you made a slight mistake. You don't find him in Azula...you find him in the burned Capital
In our video we say that you find him after making your way through Farum Azula. After completing that area you are teleported to the Ashen Capital
@@square-table-gaming ah gotcha, you are technically correct. The *best kind* of correct.
@@TheLastComa love that quote
Anyone ever learn why all the doors in the capital are waxed sealed
Corpse wax sealed, and there are theories but nothing concrete
@@square-table-gaming oh interesting. My initial thoughts were a plague or disease that spread after the battle we saw in the cutscene, but then I thought maybe people sealing themselves in as safety against the incoming army if they broke through the walls.
What happens if you give him the tonic of forgetfulness?
Interestingly the tonic does not leave your inventory, but you find him lost and confused in the ruined capital asking where Goldmask is. We believe the tonic not leaving your inventory is unintentional, because Corhyn comes across as not remembering he had any misgivings about Goldmask.
The subtle and not so subtle nods to Abrahamic religion used to flavor the religious themes in Elden Ring are palpable. I can see how Goldmask is essentially written the same role as John the Baptist, or a Messiah/prophet ushering in a new age of law, order and teachings. Goldmask is in direct communion with The Greater Will, the ultimate being behind the now imperfect Golden Order, akin to the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament in John the Baptist's time. Cohryn is used as a character role akin to corrupted Pharisees, priests, or other holymen. Many other Vassals such as the demi gods fill this same role. Corhyn embodies the issues of blind zealotry to antiquated, dangerous, but still ORIGINAL set of laws. Much like the corrupted holymen, Corhyn weaponized the very order created by The Greater Will (God) against the one appointed by God to usher in a more perfect and updated order relevent to the timeline we play in The Lands Between. Goldmask's rune essentially eliminating the need of vassals to maintain a better variant of the Golden Order nods to the significance of no longer needing Priests and High Priests with the old established means of communion with God. In the end, Goldmask was implied slain by Corhyn, who remained blind, loyal and complacent to the religious system with all its horrors and atrocities done in its name instead of setting aside his confirmation biases. Corhyn is the wolf in sheeps clothing, one of many betrayers and backstabbers of the round table.
90% of humanity is Cohryn.
Let's hope not
8:16 hold on.... he doesn't take the tonic. he thanks you but refuses it
The implication is that he does since if you offer it then you later find him confused and looking for goldmask as if he forgot what was going on. The fact that it doesn't leave your inventory is likely a developer oversight.
@@square-table-gaming he does outright refuse it in his voice lines, and even after offering it to him I never saw him in farum azula, only by goldmasks corpse
@@BigHatLoganGaming the line he speaks is "It will make me forget, you say? So that I can push aside these frightful thoughts... Ha... ha ha... Would that I could... Would that I could..." And we didn't say he's in crumbling farum azula, we say that you find him after crumbling farum azula, where he says, "Master... where did you go? I'm right here. Please, show me. Your finger. Your rhythms, and calculus... Let me document the motions... Master... Master... Where did you go?" There's no reason for these two outcomes to be so vastly different aside from Corhyn deciding to take the tonic.
@@square-table-gaming my mistake, I had misunderstood what you said about azula. I have to chalk the lost corhyn up to him having actually lost goldmask, not aware of his passing, rather than the tonic tbh
@@BigHatLoganGaming that's fair, but why does he only lose him if we offer the tonic?
Can U do a video on the all knowing sir Gideon.
Look pathetic person: points at coryhn
What happens to the prayer books you give him when he dies
They gone