WOULD YOU CHOOSE A MASSEY OVER THE JOHN DEERE 1025r?
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Another day, another email. A customer wants any insight I can provide on choosing between three subcompacts. I don't give a definitive answer (spoiler, I suppose!) but I do give my thinking.
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I have had my Massey for 6 years, its a beast. only thing I have done after 600 plus hours is the normal fluid changes. I dont baby it, and it just keeps working, no broken parts. the brand has been around for longer than just about everyone else for a reason. not knocking the Deere, to each his own. I just cant justify the thousands of extra dollars for what you get.
I'm really glad to hear it's treating you well
I Don't think its a Massey fairly sure it's an Iseki rebadged. Don't think Iseki can trade in the US market
@@andyexuptaylor4503 Yes, the Massey GC1723 is roughly the same as an Iseki TXG237.
@@andyexuptaylor4503 iskie makes the engine i know that.
Massey, or Iseki if you prefer, they are great! I've had a 1547H for 20 years - totally solid & reliable.
We bought a Massey GC1710 with loader and backhoe for $5000 less than a Deere 1025R. Absolutely no regrets.
That's a HUGE savings
@@GoodWorksTractorsQuestion for you, why does JD use the Yammer Diesel in their compact tractor line and skid steers instead of the better engineered and reliable JD Diesels? Never been fan of Yammer due horrible pass experiences, maybe they are better now than 20 years ago but after major issues we have had with them I’ll will pass on purchasing anything with Yammer in them.
@@tristenklein5940Yanmar engines are actually pretty good. They did have some issues with different engines through the years. I do remember some trouble ones around 20 years ago. It was usually because of insufficient cooling or something else that wasn’t part of Yanmar. I’ve been around all kinds of these engines and Yanmar is actually one of the better ones.
I asked the same question about the engines at a capstone class years ago. I was told JD uses them because of the overall reliability and cost involved with developing and manufacturing their own small engines vs how many they would sell every year.
@@PurpleNovember you nailed exactly the issues we had with them years ago on many of our Golf Course Construction projects it’s the main reason we standardized our turf tractors with Kubota even though they were more expensive. We have used many of other large JD equipment on projects with their own engines and they worked flawlessly and the guys loved them but after the bath we took on many pieces of equipment with yammer engines years ago it’s just tuff to go back. Yeah that’s what I thought that it’s probably more economically feasible for JD to contract with yammer on their small equipment line than build their own engines it’s just a hard sell for us based on past experience. Thanks for the information greatly appreciated 👍👍.
@@tristenklein5940
Too funny. Can’t say I’ve ever heard anyone say Yanmar was junk. That’s the equivalent of saying Toyota is crap. Well here’s a little back story. I worked a municipal job for about 12yrs, in our fleet we had over 80 different tractors, with that being a mix of about 7 different brands. The most problematic were the small utility John deere’s (2040, 2155, 2020) They were so bad for over heating and having bad heads, to the point the fleet service department ended up auctioning them off. The smaller JD 790’s, 1070& 855’s (with yanmars) never had issues after being beat to shit! Can they overheat, yeah like anything else if not maintained properly. But some cooling systems are just subpar.
I bought my Massey gc1723e in 2021. I have over 350 hrs on it and have had zero issues. I mow 3 acres, run a front mounted snowblower for my 460ft driveway and it has never let me down.
We bought the Massey 1705, we have had it for four years and have never had a problem with it. $6000.00 cheaper than a John. Handles all the jobs we have given it.
I have a GC1705 that I have had for 5 years. Works all the time and zero issues. I really wanted a green machine, but at the time was $4k more for the same unit. Not willing to pay for a color or the name.
Coming from a family that’s farms about 1600 acres with John Deere equipment and helping neighbors that farm upwards of 20k acres, I had my share of John Deere compacts, went to Massey 4 years ago. 1740e and now 1835M cab and I think they are absolutely the best balance of supreme quality, functional equipped and very competitively priced. Also although AGCO is not as big as Deere or CNH it is still a massive dealer and parts network compared to the South Korean brands and I’ve never had an issue with any dealer support although both machines have run flawlessly.
Can’t go wrong with massy and best bang for your buck. John Deere is over priced and over engineered.
Totally agree. John Deere is way overpriced for what you get.
Massey is best bang for the buck? Hmm...
@@GoodWorksTractors yes sir. You get everything you need to get the job done. They are not over priced. They have normal quick Attach on the bucket and nothing fancy. Sometimes basics are the best.
The closest dealer to me is John Deere (6 miles). They also have a great local reputation for customer service. I like to do my own service for routine maintenance . . . but having neighbors who can bail me out with the warranty and big stuff is comforting. That, and the 2021 1025R I bought was used with 59 hours and had the FEL and 54" Deck I wanted (plus a few other extras like HD grill guard, ROPS light guards and rear wheel weights) so I was happy to go that way. I had no affinity for JD. My prior tractor was a 1956 Ford 640 and I even have a t-shirt that says "Friends don't let friends drive green tractors". But I sure liked what I saw on the 1025R for the quick-attach, the drive over and lift w/FEL arms mower deck, the full range rock shaft adjustability and stops, the depth of field of non-JD/Frontier attachments and non-OEM solutions (i.e.: GWT, Everything Attachments, Mudds, Heavy Hitch, Deck Dolly, Bolt-On Hooks, etc.). In fact, none of the equipment accessories I have added are John Deere/Frontier. Simco tiller, Dirt Dog box blade, GWT harrow, EA pallet fork, HH weight brackets (F & R), HH Tooth bar, SpeeCo quick hitch, GWT stump scoop, R2 Edge Tamers. Just now adding an aftermarket vertical 4WD lever. Everyone supports the John Deere 1025R. It's popular for a reason.
I have a GC1705 and have over 300 hours on it. Not a single problem, and it's a work horse. I would never exchange it for a kabota or jd. It's a really great machine
I absolutely love my Massey gc1723eb. Only takes about five minutes to take the loader off and put the mower deck on. One of the few sub-compact tractors (at the time) that offered a drive over mower deck.
I have a 2021 Massey GC 1725M and it's a little beast. I do lots of landscaping/loader/box blade/snow removal work and it's never let me down. There's nothing wrong with a 1025R, but I passed on one once I tried out the GC 1725M. Speaking of size I'm 6'2, 260lbs with size 15 feet and the Massey is very comfy.
It all depends on your circumstances and financial situations. I did the JD 1025R at $25K that included 4 attachments at 0% for 72 months. That sold me but I've always loved JD green. Not going to lie, at times wish I did a different unit that lifted more but I'm still happy. And lets face it, for most of us being on a tractor is therapy and I love being on my JD!
I own a 2022 MF 1725M. Love the tractor, it has been a huge help with projects and all that. On my channel I have made some mods, etc. I don't have anything current as I was injured and working on getting patched up.
I priced the John Deere and a used one was 6500 more for the exact same thing NEW at Massey. A new JD was nearing 8 K more.
I have a Bad Boy Box Blade, I made my own stump bucket, made my own rear weight box, added a QH from GWT and that handles everything now, also have a Bad Boy Tiller for it as well and a carry all setup.
I wouldn't trade that tractor for a JD or a Mahindra, folks around me with Mahindras always seem to complain about a plethora of issues.
I think I even made a video discussing Kubota and JD compared to the MF to be honest, I know I didn't go Kubota due to lift capacity and just sheer specs.
This Massey is a BEAST. Literally impressed my grandpa with how well it did overall on several jobs! 😊
Comparing the GC1723 with the 1023E would be a more fair comparison and the price should be closer. Or compare the GC1725 with the 1025R, like a video you made earlier, you need to compare apples to apples. Great video!
I had a similar decision just over 2 years ago. My subcompact choices were between the JD, Kubota, Mahindra, LS, and Massey. I went with the Massey GC 1723EB after narrowing it down to the JD and Massey. I just couldn't justify the price difference for the JD. I'm 6'1" and have no issues with the size or fit. I have 6 acres to maintain and needed an "all in one" solution. I have the midmount mower deck, loader, backhoe, brush hog, box blade, and forks. The tractor is a workhorse and I have loved it and have no regrets. The point of the ease of miuhting the mower deck is a valid one. The Massey has a drive over deck that is easy the hook and unhook, except for the PTO. It is difficult the reach and line up quickly. Therefore, I do plan accordingly and try to group my work to minimize removing the deck during mowing season. Easy enough to do to save thousands of $$$$.
It’s a very hard decision. One I recently made. There is so much to consider. What you want to do with it. My advice is,…Ask lots of questions! I suggest sit down with a note pad and lay out the differences, pros and cons regarding features and abilities of the machines and impressions of the dealer. It made my decision easier .
Ask a lot of questions...good call there!
Have a 2021 Massey Ferguson GC1725M and I have 475 hours on it already. Built a 6 foot snow pusher for it, have a 5' brush mower for it and we have ran out 8"x30' grain auger with it when we were short on tractors. The thing that really turned me off from the john deere was they have there own loader quick tach and not skid loader style.
I follow your channel and i look forward to seeing all your videos , and i really like you new direction you are going on giving advice to people need help on working out decisions about equipment . Keep all these great videos coming !!!
If the Massey really is a rebadged iseki and there is a dealer nearby. Choose the Massey! Iseki is the best Japanese brand of this kind of tractor. They are tanks!
Thanks for watching!
I have the Iseki version. It IS a tank and works well at everything.. I also have a larger Massey that is great.
That's what I was going to say We have a Iseki TH4335 we like it
Unfortunately the MF isn't made in Japan anymore.
Great thought on the mower deck. Thank you.😊
You have certainly impressed me with your customer service skills. I've spent a lifetime at it. (73 years old). Now, I am working in a hardware store. We walk the customer to the shelf where we can find them what they need. You do that with your voice. God Bless, you're a master of the craft.
Your comments are spot on! I bought the 1025R used and then bought a new Z530 for mowing efficiency and to keep from putting so many hours on the 1025R. Couldn't be happier!
I bought the massy over the deer 5000 less for tlb. Not to mention all the attachments are more. I been real happy with it. Wish would lift more. It is rated more then the John Deere. I have no intention of ever mowing with it.
I was looking at the Massey Ferguson, I bought a Kioti CS2220 in September.
Good decision?
I hope so. So far the Iron craft grader blade is a mixed bag, I haven't tried the tiller yet
I'm in the same boat... green paint is a lot more expensive than blue paint.
Sure is!
My advice is what ever you go with go bigger than what you think you need. Trust me after a while you will want more than you bought.
I can relate to this just about every day of my life :)
Absolutely! Agco is great to work with as well.
Been around tractors whole life and lot of green ones. Bought my Massey 2 years ago because it offer more for the $$ as a JD. Love just bought my 2nd Massey last week. Red steel over green plastic anyway
I have a Massey GC1715 with loader, mower, front blower, and rear blade and I’m really happy with it. I have experience with both 70 and 80 series Kubota BX machines and would have taken either.
Found the Massey used in great condition with low hours and that was the decision maker.
Haven’t been on a 1025r so can’t compare but was considering that too. I was fortunate to buy when inventory was low but before prices jumped with Covid.
I like the low ROPS too as I don’t have to worry about my garage door.
Good video, I enjoy different perspectives
Massey Ferguson all day.
Glad to hear it John :)
It’s true what you say about tractors. There are several different tractor manufacturers out there that compete with John Deere and Kubota. Such as the Massey tractor. I’m sure all tractor manufacturers must meet or exceed industry standards. John Deere and Kubota rely heavily upon marketing and advertising to promote their products. For as long as I have been faithfully a “Good Works Tractors” channel watcher, I have learned so much about the tractor business. I appreciate your honesty and commitment to your customers and product suppliers. Have a great day from your friends in Highgate Vermont.
Dude I can’t get enough of your videos definitely appreciate what you do for the tractor world
This is an interesting discussion here, thank you for the video. I have 400 hours on a 4 yo. Kioti CK2610 and really love its size and capability. The Kioti is my goto machine for my "heavier" tasks on my property if its moving logs, maintaining a steep grade 1/4 mi. gravel driveway, bushhogging, light hobby farming, etc. Over the last few years, I had been using a Cub Cadet garden tractor just for mowing and it has really taking a beating just getting around on the property, so much that I was ready to switch it out for something with more capability that could fit the need for a mower AND serve as another tool in the arsenal. Knowing I could put another front loader and possibly a backhoe to work, I started looking at subcompact options. After being so happy with the 2610, I was met with disappointment when I went back to my Kioti dealer more or less expecting to purchase a CS20. The dealer rep didn't know anything about the tractor, didn't offer a test ride, and seemed annoyed that I was preventing him from leaving work early on a Friday afternoon. I instead went with a Kubota BX23S + mower deck and have been absolutely thrilled with the machine and capability, the dealer was great too. I don't find the mower deck to be particularly difficult to remove, though it does require crawling around on the floor. Kioti might make the best subcompacts on the market-- I will never know.
Compacts and sub-compacts are such a hot market that virtually all the manufacturers are bringing their A-game. Green tractors are definitely a premium product, but it's *always* going to cost 1.5 - 2x the $$$. Having said that, there is some kind of allure to them that is hard to put into words.... some people call it a "family", while others have said it's a "cult". Test drive every single machine that you have an interest in and ignore the marketing hype. Buy a machine TO SUIT YOU ...and you'll do just fine.
My cousin has a computer Massey and absolutely loves it.
I have a 1723eb and it's a boss, perfect for residential use. I'm sure all the units are good tractors, but Massey dealer is 5 minutes from my crib so that the difference
I have some Massey utility tractors and they’re great, but my little tractor, mower is a 1023E and it has done a fantastic job working around the house.
You basically summed up my opinion, John deeres ease of implement installation is my main reason for buying a 1023/1025. I take both mower deck and loader off a lot,along with 6 other implements.also dealer service , way more Deere dealers and parts around then any other. My last reason is resale Deere seems to command higher resale in my area ……if you can even find a used one
Nice, appreciate you chiming in!
Sound advice indeed. Thanks for the video.
You betcha!
as far as one machine to do both.. yeah that was my thinking as well when i bought my 1026R..i got the 54" deck... it has been used probably 10 times since new in 2012.... i got a big box store zeroturn Deere a year after the 1026R.. as easy as it is to remove and reinstall. i still found it a nuisance.. every time i needed the loader to do something the deck was on ..so i got one for sale or trade Courtney...as always it's good information your shairing with the viewers..
I Love my Massey! It has gone above and beyond, My only complaint would be I don't like the seat.
All about dealer service and support around me. When I do get one of my own that will be a big part of me deciding which one to get. But I'm leaning towards Kabota or John Deere.
One of the reasons I bought my 1023 was because of the belly mower. I took the loader off once and that made it easier to mow, but I had a really difficult time getting the loader back on. I think the reason I had a tough time getting the loader back on is because I didn't release the hydraulic pressure when I took it off and it made it very had to get the lines hooked back up and the placement of them was not the easiest for me to get a good angle to push them on. But I am not sure because I have never taken the loader off again. My yard is not that big and I have so many trees to go around and under that the 1023 ended up not being the mower for me. Within a few months I went and bought a zero turn and it works much better for me. My zero turn went out this year and I Put the belly mower back on the 1023 and got the yard mowed. It was nice to have a backup. The only things I would have liked more on the 1023 was more bucket lifting capacity and if the 3 point would lift higher. and the battery is not the easiest to replace. I had to take out the headlights to replace the battery. I have since bought another compact tractor, but still kept and use the 1023 lots.
Good info, thank you for taking the time to share.
About 3.5 years ago I bought house and also the estate. In the estate was a 50in deck lawn tractor; powered by Kohler 20hp magnum. After a little research found the manufacturer was no longer in existence. A little more looking found that the model was produced from 1992 thru 1995. So it's age is age is 29 to 31 years. I have used it for 3.5 year with no real problems other than mower deck belt replacement and it doesn't use oil.
Most new lawn tractors today will never see that age! And that is probably the reason MTD bought them out and discontinued them!!!
It has become a wear dated world!!!
I just have a three-acre hobby farm. I purchased a 1025R this past July, but I didn't pay the exorbitant prices that everyone has been talking about. Probably my area I guess. Tractor, loader, 60" mower deck, JD Quick attach, box blade, and pallet forks $26K with taxes and insurance, financed. Still very expensive, but not 30K. Here's the thing a 1023E is about 3k cheaper than a 1025R. I compared it closer to a BX2380. Those would still be more than a comparable Kioti or TYM.
I was about to pull the trigger on a Kubota B2601, but the dealer didn't think they could get a belly mower for it in the next few months. The salesman was steering me toward a BX tractor, they had several, but the only ones with SSQA were BX23Ss. That was in January of this past year. Then I went by the John Deere dealership, and I checked out the 1025R again.
Anyway, after four months of use, I don't regret the purchase, it's a deluxe SCUT with deluxe features at a deluxe price. The ease of the mower deck, loader, and bucket removal is well worth it.
6:43 💯. I’ve repaired a few BX mower decks. I’ve also helped load 2 BX’s because half the PTO driveshaft was left on the tractor and the aluminum housing gave. One had insurance and the other one got a new tractor.
Glad to hear I'm not alone there :)
Absolutely!
The Massey has some of the smoothest backhoe hydraulics I used. It has stout loader and the Iseki engines have been around forever. The only reason I didnt get one over my last Kubota, was the SSQA. In 2017 I couldnt get the Massey TLB with SSQA. I would have preferred the side by side pedals as well.
hey great vid.
we have the Emax 20hst, it has done very well for what we need it for . Few addons for it and such. I think the only couple of things I would change is the key placement and lifting cap.
I know its a small tractor and they all have limitations but wish it had just a bit more lift . overall its a great tractor and yes its not a 1025r but big price difference.
Glenn.
Sweet, good info. Thanks for sharing!
I'll join the others here singing the praises of the Massey. When I started shopping for a tractor I initially had been looking at a 1025R for a few reasons, but also have a friend with a BX so I kinda checked them out too. I was leaning towards a green one when a friend from church suggested I look at a Massey, in large part because of the dealer. I also talked to neighbor down the road that I noticed had a little red tractor and they had not complaints with it or the dealer. After comparing features, a huge one being native SSQA (Deere dealer didn't want me using universal stuff on the loader) and price I bought a GC1725 (which does have tilt steering BTW) and a several attachments for the same price as a bare 1025R. My savings was even a little more because the county sales tax was lower for the Massey than the Deere. Originally I wanted a backhoe too, but I figured I could do a lot of renting for $7000 and I could use that money to keep buying other 3 point attachments that I'd get more use out of. My only regret is buying the belly mower which I've only used a handful of times because I ended up buying back a machine I sold years ago (Steiner 220) which mows faster, cuts better, and I had it fitted with a vacuum system for leaf clean-up. I have also since purchased a zero-turn for a winter fixer-upper project. Some people like mowing with a tractor but I felt it was too slow and too heavy on my yard.
I tend towards separation of functions also with most tools and equipment, but the biggest issue with mowing is that having a dedicated lawnmower means a second engine to maintain, second battery to maintain, etc. A deck is just blade sharpening, greasing and occasionally a new belt. Even though it is somewhat of a pain to remove the mower deck without a drive over, it isn’t that bad with some practice.
Not that it's bad, but it's just inconvenient...at least for me.
I had a Massy GC subcompact, and my biggest complaint was with the brakes, as one of the uses for it was to put my dock and boat lift in the lake, down a boat ramp, and the brakes were not up to it. I had to chock the wheels every time I got off of it before turning if off, because once the engine was off, it would start to roll on the ramp even with the brake set. But the only thing that went wrong with it over 20 years was the ignition assembly had rusted out, but I left it outside that whole 20 years, so that's kind of abuse. I still got $4K for it on a trade in, so I felt like it didn't owe me anything.
Fortunately I purchased my 1025R in the spring of 2019. I agree the price in 2023 is ridiculous, however the John Deere is hands down the best in its class.
Thanks for all of the great content over the years Courtney!👍🏻🇺🇸
2022 JD 1025R here! for me the selling points were the warranty, the location of dealerships, the 0% financing, the Quick attatch loader/mower deck, the folding ROPS, the seat comfort and the investment protection/resale value.
Would I choose a MF over a JD? Yes. Every day.
Thanks for watching!
I have a compact Massey 1760M. That is built better/heavier then the larger JD compacts. Hard to believe the sub compacts would be built worse. We have a large farm and run all JD. But looking at compacts, JD was my last choice. After considering quality for price.
I got a gc1725 Massey MB and I love it. Yes I want to get rid of it it’s because I can’t afford the payment anymore. And that machine was fully loaded from the factory with no cab
Massey definitely isn't the biggest in the compact tractor world, but I've never met anyone who owns one that isn't thrilled with it or seen a youtuber who owns one with a major complaint about them. Can't say the same about Mahindra...
I just bought my second Massey sub compact TLB. I have time on all brands. The Massey is the most efficient and cost effective. I wanted a JD but after using the Massey & noticing that its a full function (hydraulics) where as with the others you can only use one function at a time. Very inconvenient when driving and using the loader for loading or grading. Not everyone needs a float but the Massey has it if you want to use it. With the others its a must if your grading and creates more hand work.
John Deere has been slowly pricing themselves out of the market. I'm a Massey and Kubota guy myself.
Folks want Made in America and are some are willing to pay for it, even if it is just the idea of it, since nearly all the subcompacts seem to at least have final assembly in the USA. In my work experience (lighting), I found that generally the ones that scream the loudest and plaster Made in USA all over their site do just enough to quality for the government label and source nearly every component overseas.
I bought a bx2680 3 years ago. There’s dealers for most everything within an hour drive from me. I honestly wanted to buy massey Ferguson (everything else I own is Massey) but it’s hard to beat our local kubota dealer that’s been in the community for over 50 years. I’m still waiting for a quote from Massey…… one other big deciding factor was a cab. John Deere has some nice cabs available for the 1 series, but that Curtis cab for the BX is about as good as you can get for an aftermarket option. I live in eastern Canada on a hilltop and about 50% of my tractors job is snow removal so the heated cab was important to me. After owning a bx2200, I thought I needed something with twin touch pedals, but with the 80 series, the way kubota put that pivot point on the pedal under the floor rather than on top, it was enough of an improvement for me that I was able to over look it. Plus it’s a more intuitive design for those times when I’m not home and my wife needs to be able to clear the driveway with minimal experience
Lol, it would be funny if you randomly get a quote from the Massey dealer some day
Courtney, you ought to take some time to play with a GC; they're absolutely on par with a 1025R with regards to overall quality. That said, I still think the 1025R is the top dog of the SCUT world, at least for now.
Have a Massey GC1705 since new. Just turned 1,000 trouble free very hard use hrs. Use it constantly for all sorts of farm and yard work. Stuff you'd never think it could handle but it does. If I were looking for a new one this size . A 3 speed hydro would be top of the want list. Faster transport speed. mid range for mowing or what not and a super low high torque for hard drawbar work. Not sure if any one offers that in this size with out going to the large frame. But I'd gladly pay up for such an option and more. For instance multiple factory rear remotes, additional lights. I think summits got the right idea offering these type of options as OEM add on.
I skipped the subcompact tractors when the first came
Out and went with large garden tractor with loader. They suited me well for years tell I got more land. I upgraded to an old Deere compact due new tractor prices.
I coulsnt justify the extra cash for the fit and finish if the 1025r. Two years later and i still love my gc1725. Driven the 1025r and it didnt seem like it had the grunt and the cooling system is very easy to blow out after mowing. The low rops is great in my orchard when mowing. Woods brand attachment from the dealer that can be rolled into financing is great.
Fit and finish and ease of removing and installing attachments JD I believe is superior over the rest. Plus they hold their value better.
We stepped up this year from a 3038 E to a 3046 R with deluxe cab. Pricey? Yes. Is it worth it ? Absolutely !
Heck yeah, that's a BIG step up!
I have a massey gc2610 that i got 2nd hand. Never any issues with it. It's a beast. I mow with it, snow blow my driveway with it and use the bucket and backhoe for lots of things. Never been disappointed. The lower rops bar on that E model was because the E models aren't setup for a backhoe. Take a look at the tlb models and you'll see the difference.
I have the previous version of the Massey and I love it. The drive over deck is really easy to connect and I have had it since 2018 with zero issues. You will be happy with any of them I am sure.
GREAT Video!! Good information!!! 😮😅
Appreciate it!
Just this last spring I was looking for a Kioti tractor and while I was looking i spotted the Massey tractor and was more impressed with them over the kioti, but I'm looking at a 60 - 75 hp tractor. I need to run a pto generator and want 4 wheel drive. I'm not as big a guy as you are and I liked the bigger cab, and there's the rub, do i have a payment or keep the open station JD. My suggestion would be to have a mission in mind and get the machine that works best for that mission within the budget that works for you. At this time we are holding on to hope that this stupid prices will go the other way or that the price of beef triples. Your advice is good and so far the Massey tractor is on the back burner.
I got the John Deere. How easily the loader comes on and off and deck was worth it. It mows and rides so much better without the loader on all the time. Since it’s so easy to take on and off I don’t mind doing it. If it was a pain in the ass to do id just leave it on but mowing would suck and I wouldn’t enjoy using it to mow. I’d have a 2nd mower rather than fool with removing the loader on other brands to mow.
As with everyone else, a lot of personal homework was done. After we (yes... the wife included) looked at all considerations, the JD1025R was selected. We have almost everything except a backhoe and belly mower for specific reasons (have a zero turn and if we need backhoe renting cheaper). However, the MF was #2. Others, just didn't cut it to be congenial with acreage/tasks/functionality/dealership.
Interesting info, appreciate it!
Would love to see you do a comparison on the new CaseIH Farmall 25SC tractor vs the John Deere 1025R.
i have a Massey GC2300 right now with a loader and mower and it has 1800 hours on it. the machine runs great and the only "repair" i have had to do was replace one of the small valve connectors on the loader joystick that broke. that part does seem to have a common failure rate on several of these small tractors. this is the second GC Massey i've owned and for the price of these tractors, i don't think you can beat them. my GC has done almost every task i've tried with it including loading the loader bucket almost full of concrete and carrying it to the back of a house to help a contractor pour a new porch for a neighbor. the John Deere compact tractors are nice but they are at least $5000 more than a new Massey for the same tractor and i just don't think you get $5000 more value in the Deere.
When I bought 10 acres of property in 2011 I didn’t have any money for a tractor. So when I needed one I would rent one for the day. I rented green tractors, I rented orange tractors. I even rented a white tractor. They were all junk . The tractor I bought in 2018 was Red .
I have always been surprised that Massey does not have the popularity that deere and kubota enjoy. I suspect it may be the dealer network. I do not own one,but the massey dealer here in central NY has a good reputation and there seems to be as many massey tractors around as there are deere and kubota.
I had a 2305 John Deer who was awesome, and I enjoyed it for many years. Two years ago.I sold it and bought a massy gc1725 m with loader, backhoe, and mower deck. It's a great machine awesome, the only issue I had was the rear tires were not as wide as the deer. So, I purchased wheel spacers. It feels great now.
Look at them all to see which fits your needs and price.
I just visited a MF dealer, today, and love the GC1725MB. I asked the salesman about the spacers, and he said, that if I See need to use chains on the tires, it only can be accomplished if I added the spacers, but they're not from MF, and he doesn't like the idea, because it causes extra stress on the seals and bearings, specially with the BH. So I did ask; About warranty, will it be an issue? He said " It's Possible that MF will not cover the repairs, if it's on the rear shafts.
The biggest limitation for my 1025r is the belly mower. Not too hard to take on and off but the tractor is not the best for mowing. Even with versa turf tires, the tractor will do damage to the lawn when it is damp. You have to wait until the lawn is really dry which can be inconvenient.
🤨Buy wider tires for the Front.!!! 🤔
I've mowed with zero turns, lawn tractors, and subcompacts...any of them will damage the lawn when wet and driven/turned on without caution. I prefer mowing when dry anyways. Much easier clean up afterwards.
Think you need to base it on how close the dealer is ! Iv been a jd fan sents I was a kid but also helps there 7 miles away all the other dealers are over 50 🤷🏼♂️
In a recent survey, something like 75% of folks go to their dealer once a year or less.
@@GoodWorksTractors I’d love a Massey I think there great tractors but nearest dealer is 65 miles from me I’m really not brand die hard but just makes sents for me to use jd there right here and customer support is great also and that is huge to me as well
I like the Massey Ferguson 1800M series and up. I looked over a MF 2860 and was considering buying it, but in the end, I held off and didn't buy anything yet. The biggest issue here in central CT. is that there are only 3 AGCO dealers in the state and none within 30 miles of me. Being able to get service or parts close by should be a thought for a buyer. Whether you get a John Deere, which I believe have Yanmar engines if under 100HP, or a Massey Ferguson, which I believe have Iseki engines in their sub-compact and compact tractors, I don't think you could really go wrong. Both are proven powerplants. I would hate paying more for green paint. JD's are getting super expensive. Stay Safe Folks!!!
I don't remember you ever covering a case/farmall. I've seen them at fairs but never looked at them. Im sure it's not the farmall of old. Just a thought.
new quote massy was 32 vers deere at 27.. canadian funds so what you pick..have 1700plus hrs on my deere
Never driven one but companies that have been around for a long time in the tractor/ farm world like Massey, new Holland, and so on even if they dont make thier own subcompacts aren't going to put their name and reputation on a less than product. Like a lot of things one might be just as good as the other but you pay extra for name and recognition. I do construction and things like decking, you can buy azek or correct deck brand for more than twice what it costs for trek and vernada. When finished they both look great and both hold up maintenance free for years but one costs twice as much if not more.
I'd choose almost anything over the 1025R. I can't see the advantage of a 1025. But I have sat on the smaller Massey and it does feel the most like a mower.
Do you own one?
@@GoodWorksTractors no. I considered a 2025 or maybe it was a 3025, but the 1025 lift capacity is too limiting for me. The auction I bought my old Case at had a Massey GC17 something. I would have liked a modern hydrostat but couldn't find anything with power at my price range. My Case 430 has power but it's a bitch to maneuver. Probably need to fix the transmission
I'd choose either the TYM T25 or the T224 anyday.
Yep, did it last year and have no regrets would do it over again
Would you please do a comparison between the JD 1025R and the Kioti CS 2520
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Around me, in the area where you can get the Massey GC or the 1025R, the Massey is a good seller.
I really do like JD but their prices seem a bit far fetched. So the likelihood that I would buy another one at this point is extremely remote. Just thought I’d put my two cents worth in. Not that it means much. Great video.
Here it is 8 years later and I still haven't decided which brand or type of tractor to purchase. I already have a Toro commercial grade 52" Zero Turn and a Cub Cadet XT-2 which is dedicated as my snowblower since my 20 acre property is over a 30% grade and the Cub Cadet simply won't mow it. At my almost 70 years young age, it's getting harder and harder to physically maintain these units on a regular basis. I'm still on the fence about purchasing a tractor whether it's a sub compact or compact. Living in a very rural area JD and Kubota have the markets locked up here but their prices are astronomically high now. I'm leaning toward either a Kioti or TYM compact (not subcompact) as I want to harvest some timber, build a logging road and construct a pole barn next Summer and making purchase of a tractor on a fixed income is hard to justify. Decisions decisions.
Might want to hurry up with that decision!
If vehicle maintenance is becoming more difficult I’d be looking for a machine that can be serviced locally. Based on your situation you’d be better off with a bigger tractor. You already have smaller machines. Get a bigger one that complements the smaller machines. A bigger tractor will pick up more and do work faster.
@@kdegraa My thoughts exactly. However, I 'll need to purchase a trailer big enough for a compact tractor. Looking in the 30 -40 HP range and that should suffice for my applications.
2001 jd 4400. 37hp yanmar. It's heavy. I move 800lb squares a lot and some 1300lb. Those big 1300lb ones are probably the max with no weight on the back. I can't use a box on the back because of getting around the barn. Tires are filled. 2k hrs. Never any trouble. The hinge where the bucket is attached is wore out and needs addressed sooner than later. But I did the complete excavation for the barn and dry paddock, and cleared a good bit of land. The dirt bank on the high side is over 7ft, just to know how much it did. Never would have gotten this done with the same size kioti or Kubota. They're just not heavy enough. Maybe the next frame size. If i had to buy a new one, I'd look into Mahindra. They're the heaviest on the market and lift the most. The weight also helos with traction. May not matter as much if you're a flatlander. Oh. The fuel filter part is now leaking. I pemetexed it 200hrs ago. It's starting to leak again so im doing that now.
Bit of a different animal there with your 4400. Kioti's are generally always heavier than Deere in the same frame size, FYI.
@@GoodWorksTractorsmy father in law has a 30 or 35hp kioti. Tractors are the same size, but his has trouble with the 800lb square bales. His is probably an 07ish. I would probably say jd has cheaped up the tractors since the late 90s though. The 4400s last year was 01. I did look at Mahindra before. It's heavy. I don't when the joystick is too fat forward like the older ones and a few new ones. The jd feels user friendly, but if I was looking for a new one, I'd definitely explore other brands.
Ive got the massey 1825e. It will outwork any tractor in its size class.
I regret going with a 1025R over a 3 series when I first bought my property. We only had a few acres of grass and minor projects with the loader. Now we just had 7 acres of timber cleared for pasture land for horses in the next couple years. We’ll eventually want to cut and bail hay which I highly doubt we’ll be able to with a sub compact tractor.
You can get hay equipment for subcompacts, but the general consensus is that you're better off with bigger equipment with a more powerful tractor. It takes too much time and the equipment is too lightly built to be durable. Most "standard" round balers require a minimum of 30 PTO HP, which means a 3039R / 4044R. If it was my $, I'd buy a Yanmar YT359 for small acreage hay production.
Whew....definitely a big difference between a 1 and 3 Series for sure. Totally different ball game
@@GoodWorksTractors We definitely didn’t have the money for one that’s for sure but now that we know what our expansion plans for the property are going to be we might have to upgrade in the future. It’s just hard to justify that piece of equipment for only an 18 acre property.
As an owner of a Massey Ferguson 1723e I strongly disagree with all of what you said. Massey offers almost all of the same thing any other brand does and at a way better price than your Deere. You should run try running one and compare it and see how you like it.
Doesn't bother me...agree to disagree. No interest in running one. I looked at it, sat on it. Was not impressed in any way. It's not the machine for me.
Yeah, I'm kinda of surprised to see such a strong opinion for or against the Massey based on a trade show glance. I looked at a New Holland subcompact years ago and loved it at first. Then I started it up and ran it through the parking lot for 10 minutes and my opinion faded quickly. Kioti was great too, then I went to the Bobcat dealer and was like, hey this is just a Kioti rebranded, but the Bobcat had something different on the hydraulic controls that made it smooth as butter compared to the equivalent Kioti that the Bobcat was based on.
Good tractors specifically in the midsize utility class 70+ HP unbeatable value
Bobcat compact tractor reviews?
Massey is way better mine is a little beast
Glad to hear it!
The only issue I have with JD is how they are actively fighting right-to-repair. Other than that they make good products. No one can touch their drive-over mowers for example.
Yes, it is a pain removing the deck and reinstalling it. Wish I would have bought a zero turn.
Yeah, I'm with ya
If at some point you need to sell or trade-in... you'll be glad you bought a deere!