Derek Does Pikes Peak - The Carmudgeon Show with Cammisa and Derek from ISSIMI Ep. 59
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2022
- This week, Jason drives Derek’s Lamborghini Miura - which, as it turns out, is a vehicle that most commonly enjoys flirting with its own death by fire, inclement weather, or just modern day traffic. Jason and Derek discuss the car’s other difficulties, including but not the mystery of non-standardized interior button labels, glowworms for headlights, and windshield wipers which prefer to eject versus function. Conclusion: like so many other beautiful things, it's high-maintenance.
The main focus of this episode, however, is Derek’s recent trip to Broadmoor Pikes Peak International Hill Climb, a journey not traveled without some difficult weather, 3 AM traffic jams, and many flavors of Porsche 911 Turbo eating up the elevation. Despite some unique challenges in Derek’s adventure, he luckily did not get struck by lightning.
This eventually leads to an extended discussion on Mobil 1 oil and some discoveries Derek made while talking to an oil engineer atop Pike’s Peak. Jason and Derek explore differences in oil weight, detergents, anti-foaming agents, modifiers, and more magic that lubricates our engines. Oil change intervals and oil analysis also come into play - sometimes a scary Blackstone result isn't as worrisome as you might initially believe.
Jason also revisits his findings on the new Acura Integra and Honda Civic SI, and uncovers why ultimately there is more to the $7,000 price gap than initially meets the eye. Jason and Derek also discuss a recent spin in an original DC2 Acura Integra Type R, a car whose mass alone dictates how much the Integra nameplate has changed in 25 years.
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I'm so glad this podcast didn't end with Jason's departure from issimi. This is the only show that cares about cars in the same way I do.
I feel that way too about caring about cars. Other channels or groups on Facebook make car enthusiasts seem childish and lack class.
The flowers look great in focus. Love to see another one, thanks guys!
Lol
Especially if it's out of sync!
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41:30 the producer is covid positive… give the guys a pass
I would do unspeakable things to see a list of Derek's contributions to Wikipedia 😂
Someone screwed up the audio!! It's outa sync !?
17:26 As a german I believed the whole world thought that Walter Röhrl´s run was the most iconic, without any doubt. Well, seems I was wrong.
Matt farah's coverage of the event was amazing everyone should check out the 3 podcasts they did
I’d be shocked if viewers here haven’t seen it yet
"What gentleman would want to spend his nights in a car?"
-Ferruccio Lamborghini via Chris Harris directed at a complaining customer for the Miura's lethal lighting arrangement
I will say, I learned more about the Miura's mystery switches and lights from this short convo on em than Doug's vid on them
Doug Demuro is absolutely useless
53:50 Hyphen: "I don't get humans."
I knew he's not one of us, homo sapiens sapiens!
In a Miura, would a "Zippo without a cap" switch be the one you use to set the car on fire?
No, that would actually be every switch in the Miura
There's actually a couple Ford cars (s550 chassis GT350/500s, Focus RS, & the current gen GT) that all spec 5w-50 oil as standard. The 5.0L Mustangs also recommend using 5w-50 for extreme performance/supercharged applications over the stock 5w-20/30 oil.
We missed you!
SO Glad we're back to Monday fun with you two!
Jason talking about the ITR reminded me of a guy in my hometown in Michigan who put almost 180k on a ITR as his daily before "upgrading" to a AP2 S2k.
His car was sold to a local Acura dealer owner who, last I knew, was doing a complete restoration on the car.
Legend.
Loving the "soft filter" in the studio. Glad the inserts are clear, which is why I watch, not just listen. Great show as always!
Am I the only person wondering if Derek's fear of clapping is a real thing...? Whatever it is, it's funny :)
I went on a big road trip in my (now departed) MKVII GTI in April 2021. Pike’s Peak was one of my big destinations. It was closed up above 12,500 feet. It was such a great experience, with the 2.0T you can really feel the lack of power above 10,000 feet. What was really interesting was feeling the difference of power when the turbo isn’t really active vs higher RPM. The GTI is the ultimate road trip car, especially paired with the Vredstein Quatrack Pro tires I had. They’re an incredible All Weather tire that holds the road well enough when driving enthusiastically, yet is extremely capable in snow. They’re also good for 50,000 miles.
I feel that a big National Park Tour road trip is something every car person needs to do.
Great fun facts on Porsche carbs, oil and Michelin tyre development budgets.
"The main focus of this episode..." is that its not in focus LOL
Also out of sync?
A few weeks ago I asked for more Derek and more Muira. I've just finished the episode and my satisfaction is immense. Thank you Derek and Jason :)
.... Also the mixing board in the front and the difference in audio from both mics is somewhat funny too.
We figured Paolo wasn't there by the focus on the wallpaper texture! Ahaha you guys are great!, loved the oil topic and I too use Motul in my 77 Spider, 20/50 high zinc
The Diesel Performance podcast has had folks from Amsoil and HotShot Secrets on explaining a lot of what you guys talked about and more regarding oil. Also, there is supposed to be a new standard coming out in a few years. The biggest contributor to oil longevity is filtration, and maintaining your TBN. If both of those are met, the oil can go great distances between change intervals.
Did whoever pulled focus on this forget their glasses?
I spent 3 minutes trying to figure out if it was the video or my screen being dirty
They need to be sentenced to the electric chair ASAP
I’ve got audio out of synch on multiple devices…
@@fonzolatrundo9140 Same.
Hahaaa, I was trying to figure out if it was focus, or they accidentally knocked the camera into some obscure widescreen-540p setting, or something, somehow. But you’re right - the lamps look in focus and high definition, lol. I’m selling my car and never watching again. And *yes,* I liked my own comment. And edited it to say that. Why give up a free like ca’mon guy..
Bummed I didn’t see DTS at Pikes this year - I live here, and I’m always surprised at how cold it is on the mountain! Jason, if you find yourself at Pikes Peak next year or any of the following years, and I meet you, I’m sorry in advance if I totally fangirl the way I did when I met Lieberman, and Farah, and Klapman. I appreciate your understanding.
Yes, yes yes climb dance!!!!
I may be a little late to comment on this show, but I'm just making up all Carmudgeon shows I've missed... The Peugeot 405 Turbo 16 from Pikes Peak is basicaly a revised version of LWB 205 T16 from Dakar rally, with engine bored out to 1905 ccm and some other upgrades. It scored two wins in Dakar as 205, then two more as 405, and then... another four as Citroen ZX Rally-Raid...
Thank you!!
I was right there with Eric on Climb Dance. It's the first thing I thought of when I saw the title, too.
Great show and the Pikes Peak stuff and Muria stuff was great and interesting. Keep these coming
I hope one day Hyphen will get the clap right 👏
I was camping about 30 min south of pikes peak that same weekend. It rained and was cold all weekend, but that's not unusual weather or temperatures for that time of year and that elevation.
It was awesome seeing you guys at Radwood and now I guess I need to start listening to DWA :)
I was there and go every year with some friends, mind you up at Glen Cove. I definitely learned early on to pack more warm clothing, handwarmers, etc than should ever be necessary.
Speaking about long gears...My 1998 306 GTi-6 made 115 km/h in second gear at the 7 250 limiter.
Great Podcast as usual! About the oils, dont forget about HTHS measures..
Redline & Amsoil are far better oils because of their bases IV & V 🙌
And dont forget to warm up gearboxes also (slow gear changes)
Just to add to the oil discussion, multigrade oil doesn't get 'thicker' when it heats up. Taking 10w30 as an example, the 10 and the 30 are measured differently so the 10 is still thicker. I don't remember all the nuances but basically they're measured from different temperatures. The point of multigrade oil is just so that a 50 weight oil doesn't have the consistency of tar when it's left overnight in lower temps. The reason many people in vintage racing use SAE 50w oil instead of multigrade is partly because they don't care about start-up (where most engine wear occurs, due to thick oil taking longer to circulate), and also because multigrade can thin out or degrade if repeatedly exposed to extreme temperatures and pressures, particularly if the two grades are very far apart (like 5w50). A single grade synthetic is much more robust.
Also many modern engines use such thin oil partly because of clearances, but also because thicker oil causes more drag and reduces engine efficiency slightly which contributes to increased emissions. It works fine for most applications, but can be fatal. BMW (among others) has had issues with engines seizing when driven hard due to the high temperature causing the tiny bearing clearances to close up and squeeze out the thin oil. Looser clearances with a nice, thick oil leaves a lot more expansion room in extreme conditions (such as racing), but then you may get more oil escaping past the rings and burning when running at lower temperatures. It's always a balancing act.
I've never been to Pikes Peak but since 2007 I've been going to the Trento-Bondone, which is my local hillclimb and is comparable to PPIHC in age (since 1925) and size (17.3 km/10.75 mi in length, 1,350 m/4,430 in elevation gain, ~180 corners). Thankfully the weather is much less extreme and it's easier to reach the various parts of the track.
There is a wide variety of cars, both modern and historic. You'll find vehicles from WRC, DTM, F3000 etc. but there is no "unlimited" category like Pikes Peak.
The stories about Michelle Moutons first and second race at pikes peak are just epic. (Comming second in the first try with injection problems and Fabrizia Pons on the pasenger seat, and the Audi engineers calcualting that with the weight reduced by the little of the codriver weight, she would have won... And then the whole "she isn't allowed to drive outside of the race" where the mechanics had to push her in the car to the startline ect. in the second attempt wheres she won overall and was setting a record.)
But to me as a european W. Röhrls race there also is iconic. Winning and setting a new record in his first attempt!
Jason: About oil weight and 0w20... Several common motors/vehicles have very different recommendations in different markets. The EA888 which almost every application in the US recommends 0w20, over seats there are recommendations for 5w30. The Subaru FA20 is the same, especially with the WRX and BRZ where in Japan they actually recommend 5w30 instead of 0w20. If you are in a warmer climate (like here in Cali and not going up to the snow in the winter) running the 5w30 is a smart idea.
Throttle House experienced huge rev-hang in the Integra. Does it vary from car to car? If so, the problem is fixable.
This and TST. Goats.
What are the top three automotive podcasts that are above these guys?
i thought this pod died. welcome back.
Ken block actually does a couple references to Climb dance in his Climbkhana video!
Can we have an episode with beer? (SPECIAL EP or something)
Really kicking myself for not going up to watch the hill climb knowing so many car RUclips guys were there. Live 20 mins from the mountain and completely forgot it was that weekend and Derek just say it’s the Pikes Peak Hill Climb. Hope you didn’t have any high altitude issues.
I live in Colorado Springs and I can attest to how quickly the weather changes here.
Or changes as you change elevation. Summer at the base of a mountain, winter at the top.
@@jimiverson3085 True
C5 Z06 👌🏽
If I remember correctly and this may not be true anymore but the higher the spread in oil number the more additives and the worse for protection. Prob came from amsoils q and a 20 years ago
The gt350 and the boss 302 were 5w-50
I visited Mauna Kea. Similar elevation to Pikes Peak.
Stayed twice as long as minimum recommended time at the base visitor station and then drove to the top.
That thin atmosphere fucked me up real good.
Don't feel like you're super out of shape, Hyphen. If you don't live in Denver already, year round, for multiple years, you'd inevitably feel like shit up there.
You commented that no factory oil is 50 weight. The 2020+ Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 calls for 5W-50 per the owners manual.
Makes sense, Harley approach works, do they need pee pads in the garage
Nice
That "stock" 992 Turbo S, btw. was running (besides race seats and a cage) on race gas with a custom 100 octane ECU tune (+80hp allegedly) and a non-stock traction and stability control setup.
Just sayin'.
Stock hardware though, which just goes to show how much of a monster that car is from the factory. You could put a 100 octane tune on pretty much any turbo engine and make +10% hp, but that won't get you up the mountain in 10:XX minutes.
It was still remarkably close to cars weighing half as much with similar power and gobs of aero. It may not have been quite stock, but the fact that it was as stock as it was and still posted the second fastest time this year is incredible.
its blurry but the audio also isnt synced either, doesnt really matter cuz listening to hyphen and cammisa talk is nice ;)
Which cost less in the long-term: blueprint of the classic cars vs the actual one.
With the blueprint, we can use modern manufacturing or custom work to make a reliable car with probably the same flair.
Zinc is federally capped I think. Some oe recommended a 50 weight for high performance driving. Maybe the performance mustang and cameros
It definitely makes sense for any cam in block engine imo
The focus rs called for 5w-50 oil if I remember correctly
Was that before or after they blow their head gaskets?
@@TML34 I assume you are talking about issue where the wrong head gaskets where installed at the factory. Those cars where recalled and fixed on fords dime.
There's a better way to watch the hill climb. You sleep in your car at the base of the mountain on Saturday night, and hike up to the Devil's Playground on Sunday morning to watch the race for free...
I heard it from a friend.
I think you are misexplaining oil viscosity.
A 10-30 acts like a 10 weight when it and rhe 10 weight are cold. It acts like a 30 does at temp.
If you graphed each oils viscosity against temp you would have two basically parallel curves for the 10 and the 30 with the 10-30 crossing both at the respective Temps.
As to modern low oil viscosity recommendations... smaller clearances sure but iirc stuff like DoD or the chrysler version thereof won't work with thicker oils.
Subaru does 5W-30 in JDM WRXs and 0W-20 in USDM WRXs.
Jason I intend to daily drive a 93 Cabbie 1.8 after I have been dd’ing an NA Miata for 2 years. How much worse/ better does it get in terms of “comfort”?
@JasonCamissa
mobil also does both piston engine aero and turbine aero oil
edit: they make a "storage oil" specifically for aircraft, its like 200w or something obnoxiously high like that, specifically to prevent corrosion: it leaves a coating on cylinder walls to keep them from corroding. does a similar thing exist for automotive applications?
Re: the title
You meant Hyphen, right?
"Phrasing" hahahaha
There goes my focus on work time! 🏁
Sounds fun so far.
Minor feedback: focus seems to be out and I kept checking my router thinking I was on 480p.
They mention the producer 41:30 was out with covid. So they did what they could I think.
👀 Walter! How could you overlook him? 😮 Not even mentioned😱
Ok.Madame Mouton is way more good looking.😂
Please, join the Honda cult. The Kool-Aid's fine here.
Hyphen, it's clearances, not tolerances!
That's why JDM Type R is the shit, much shorter gears
This Muira startup/shutdown sounds almost as bad as a carbeurated piston plane from the 70s. Which I guess is mostly is.
Gt350 Uses 5W-50 and GT500
The mythical BMW B58 which was supposedly "re-engineered by Toyota" (false statement) is burning oil so much many Supras were returned under lemon law. Nobody knows for sure why yet (e.g. are the arc jet coated cylinders scoring too easily?) but the oil from factory is very thin and so far owners have no other solutions but to change the grade of oil immediatelly and hope for the best.
Quite a few toyotas are known to burn oil, the Tundra comes to mind immediately, I wonder if it'd something to do with the cooling capacity as these very old engine designs essentially are having to move heavier and bigger vehicles every year.
It's German the oil goes somewhere just keep adding more and your good
53:10 if you actually want an answer JFK gave a good one. He was quoting George Mallory: ruclips.net/video/C6-pxKOnvyo/видео.html
F-Types use 0W-50 but ain't nothing stopping those motors from being British ;)
The oil conversation is triggering all the E9x m3 people
Yeah, especially the part about beating on the engine with 40C oil temps. Not me, and I don't have an engine famous for rod bearing issues.
lol But we've seen M drivers out there. I don't think you can solely blame BMW for the rod bearing issues.
E92 M3 kaput ruclips.net/video/6dK-2NwEkbM/видео.html
Today's episode: OIL! :D Spoken by an out of focus DTS and Discount Sandler.
Man why is the camera focused on the TV instead of your faces. I was on a different mountain in RMNP at 13000feet I felt pretty good actually I felt super out of shape but I didn't really have any issue with thinking or getting dizzy. The weather was pretty shitty whole time was inside a cloud basically it was about 25-35 degrees and I was in a flannel.
It's a radio show, just listen to it.
Is it just me or is the sound not matched up to the video?
Audio out of sync for anyone else
Yes, it's off through the whole episode. The content is worth it, so just have it on in the background.
@@realkarfixer8208 Didn't they say the producer was out of the office due to covid?
Type r has like a 4.4 final drive which puts u at 4k rpm in 5th at 80.. WTH r u talking about it's too long!
Audio out of sync
All 3 cameras out of focus
Who is directing this one?
AI
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I think the audio and video mixing are off,or is it just me?
CVT, AKA rubber bands, man. OK, not true. But CVT = the suck. Periodt.
Hyphen didn't clap good! Maybe I shouldn't be focusing on their face so much...
Stop mentioning the focus when the audio is out of sync and is actually preventing people from watching it!
Actually, the Broadmoor was built by Spencer Penrose, who made his money in mining in Cripple Creek, Colorado, and in Utah. Penrose was a major poobah in the Springs and many things in town are names after him.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_Penrose
The Broadmoor is an exquisite place to stay. Highly recommended.