Color Conundrum: How It All Works!
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- This is a deeper look at how color works. Everything from value ranges to pixels to art software. I couldn't handle giving out a slice of bad information in the last video, so I'm just going to overflow you guys with hopefully intelligent information.
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That moment when Sinnix is a better art teacher than your actual art teacher
you're right
I would like my teacher to be sinix
maybe with patreon 0w0
my art teacher just talks about "Art history" and gives us assignments to draw whatever bur never actually teaches us anything useful
iamapie 13 art teachers like that have given up on art and don't want to face it so they become teachers
I mean like of course
iamapie 13 well in germany art teachers, like other teachers have topics given to them, chosen by school ministerium. So if you don't like art history, go to the people who choses topics for teachers.
But at the end, the teacher is the one who choses how to present stuff.
I liked art history, i learned a lot from it.
"Hey, Vsauce, Sinix Design here!!1! What is colour? and how much does it weigh?"
Or… is it?
1 gram per inch
Sanix Colours is my favorite Sanix game.
I'm about to be nerdy, so I hope I make sense / am correct lol. Sssso, from my understanding the CIE 1932 Color Space (google it, you've seen this graph around before,) is shaped as such because it charts the total perceivable color range of human vision. Both the X and Y scale on the graph basically mean luminance (on different wavelengths, something to do with the eye's anatomy -- it's complicated.) Anyway notice how the richest green and the richest red score up near 0.7-0.8 on their scales (Green is perceived higher as a more luminous color to humans,) and the richest blue scores down near 0.17 -- pretty 'dim' in luminance despite its rich saturation. What this is getting at, is that humans DO perceive different colors at different intensities, unlike computers which treat RGB color with each channel EXACTLY the same as each other. When in actuality these R,G, and B channels should be separately weighted in a numerical processing sense. The brightest green (for example) should have a higher maximum value associated with it compared to the highest Red or Blue --- separate from the "255/255/255" 8-bit values associated with straight RGB. Using the CIE chart, those values would be something like R255/V0.775, G255/V0.801, B255/V0.172. (not trying to be accurate there, just an example.)
I actually didn't know that Photoshop already does this SEPARATE from 'Desaturate'. If you paste a CIE 1932 graph into Photoshop and hit Desaturate, then the graph turns flat gray (with a hazy triangle shape in the middle representing neutral white.) BUT, if you go to Mode>Grayscale then Photoshop applies associated color value, and the CIE graph will be clearly visible in grayscale (green is lighter than red, red is lighter than blue, the white middle is brightest because.. white.) -- A black 'Color' blended layer works as well as you demonstrated too.
I'm not sure how you'd translate a weighted color picker that makes visual sense without limiting or creating ADDED bias toward our perceptions already. I think this just has to be something more artists have to be aware of to not be misinformed about 'desaturation = making visible values' because they are not the same things.
Bonus fact: Ever wonder why Samsung OLED Phone screens have such SATURATED colors compared to other phones? It all comes down to the size of the pixels in the screen. In a normal RGB stripe matrix screens, the red, blue, and green sub-pixels are all treated equally. However, Samsung uses a matrix pattern called 'Pentile.' This matrix layout uses signficiantly larger red and blue sub-pixels while shrinking the green sub-pixel (but doubling their count compared to the red and blues.) This creates a screen that has a built-in correction to our higher sensitivity of green light, allowing us to perceive more nuance in the red and blue scales. (Earlier pentile OLED's looked pretty bad though -- grainy/coarse screen resolution and an over-compensated color cast toward blue in the color.) Or at least I think this is how it goes lol. These days they've worked it out and it looks pretty good now.
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@@lostandthrown3137 basically me reaction lol
I’ve researched this stuff last year because it was bugging me and my teachers couldn’t explain it to me, I got to the same conclusions... shame I only found this video now :/
Something else to know about OLEDs is that the blue subpixels decay incredibly fast. OLEDs are sometimes made with extra blue subpixels so they _start out_ discoloured, then gradually shift to the correct or intended colour before sliding out of it after a much longer period than one adjusted to have the correct colour initially, but this is obviously a very imperfect solution. In fact, OLEDs made the day you made this comment all look dingy and yellow now, assuming daily use in the interim. OLEDs are also more susceptible to screen burn-in, which is unfortunate, because OLEDs have been taking off but I have not seen screensavers making a resurgence to compensate.
All this probably just sounds like normal hiccups with new technology, but if you ever need MORE reason to get mad at patent trolls for some reason, look up SED monitors. They have all the advantages of LEDs and CRTs (extremely responsive colour switching, perfect colour reproduction, flat compact form factor, low energy consumption, single-millisecond response times, durability), and the technology for them all exists, and working prototypes have even been manufactured, and they could have been available over a decade ago... But they cannot be commercially produced or sold because of patent trolls, so we languish with garbage LCD displays because in the end compactness carried more weight in the consumer base than any of the advantages CRTs could bring to the table.
I just realised that
Ur fcking awesome man
"Art is about interpretation not replication
Limitations improve creativity"
Such wise words
👌♥️
"Limitations improve creativity"
This I knew since I was a little kid. There was this video game, LEGO Creator. It gave you virtually all the LEGO brickos there are. Couldn't come up with anything to build there, while in my room with the few LEGO sets I had I built stuff without end.
@@lonestarr1490 That's not even necessarily a limitation improving creativity, it's a subset of the phenomenon quaintly termed "analysis paralysis." It's also the same thing that makes people get two hundred steam games on really good sales and then feel like they have nothing to play, and that causes marital dissatisfaction (and therefore divorce rates) to soar in countries where there is not a strong cultural pressure to marry for life, and to be nearly nonexistent in arranged marriages. The latter may be an uncomfortable truth, but statistical truth doesn't care if it comforts you. It just is.
That said, LEGO themselves are a GREAT example of this (and by extension, more "modern" and "digital" applications like pixels and voxels). By _contextualising_ the art, the limitations of the medium make the act of creation feel so much more meaningful. LEGO are an incredibly limited medium, but that makes expression using LEGO inherently have a certain something that expression using, say, clay lacks (though clay has its own limitations and its own "soul"). They're limited by their shape, size and colour to a limited set of each (no matter how complete or redundant your collection of bricks), and each of these, rather than strictly reducing what you are able to do with them, gives you another tool for self-expression.
“How Can Values Be Real If Our Saturations Aren't Real”
I still don't get what he meant by that
It’s a meme
Dang, man. I spent over a week doing this kind of research forever ago just so I can get an accurate color wheel and decide on a good color picker for this reason. And you come up with the IDEAL one off the top of your head.
I would pay money for that thing. That dynamically changes the value range/shape of a color.
...which is significant, because I'm a total cheapskate if there are free programs available.
If you have Coolorus for Photoshop you can toggle the luminosity lock and it will move the picker for you to keep the value the same as you change the hue.
I'm so glad to finally see someone more than me point out the frustrations with working in grayscale; so many tutorials I used to read and follow pretty much said "and then slap on some color until it looks good", which honestly is just another way of saying "then draw the rest of the owl".
Regarding values and sliders in digital media: just the fact that checking your values is different between softwares is enough to make me just ditch the sliders and go for what actually looks good using my own eyes. Values are useful when planning out the light setting and composition and make sure silhouettes are distinguishable, it's stuff you can nail down during the thumbnail stage.
I actually dont do much digital art anymore because of stuff like this (mainly work traditional lately, it's really fun), I used to spend hours on adjusting sliders instead of just getting the painting done. Great video as always!
sinix too good for this world
A good example of this is how yellow text on a white background is uncomfortable to read but blue text is easy
as a self taught artist, these videos are super helpful, thank you!
More color videos I love learning about color theory
Thanks Sycra
I learned all this and an incredible amount in general from Bruce MacEvoy's Handprint site's colour theory subsection of his watercolour guide. It gets really technical but it's extremely informative and goes way deeper in every regard than any other material I've read on the subject, at least within the art world. Sadly it doesn't give you much advice on how to apply it all, but it sets the record straight on so many things.
I've watched some of your videos for years and I've even caught your stream a few times, but I actually found these two videos because today I was giving someone who was a self-professed beginner advice on whether and how to handle greyscale to colour painting, and I was looking for videos to back up what I was saying based on my experience both with personal experimentation and watching other artists and seeing their finished work. To that end, I do want to point out one thing I said to them as well, which is that when executed deliberately the flaws in going from greyscale to colour in digital media can be used as an expressive trait of an artstyle, the same as the flaws in any medium or technique; I can even think of some artists who I believe do this, using the "strangeness" and desaturated or too-light regions that result to create a kind of clinical-but-soft feeling in their artwork that is iconic to their work.
Just something I want to throw out there since it seems like you feel (or felt, I recognise these are four and a half year old videos at this point) that the only real advantage of rendering this way is that it's easier for people who are just starting out and for whom it's more important to learn than to pump out top-quality pieces; I agree that that's an advantage, and I also _generally_ agree that working from hue into value instead of the other way around produces more appealing work, I just don't agree that it's the only advantage or that the subjective difference in appeal is ubiquitous.
in conclusion, grayscale is the devil himself
Lmao
I concur!!!! :D
I'm all about greys tho
Lol
Haven’t even watched this one yet, I’m just surprised at how quickly you posted it after the last one. The work you put into your videos astounds me. Always top quality and highly educational as well as entertaining. Thank you so much for the work you do.
"Cue the vsauce music...
Nevermind it's probably copyrighted" LMAO
So far from boring Sinix. I hadn't considered a couple of these ideas before and as someone new to digital painting its so helpful to have these thoughts in mind as I progress. Furthermore, as someone well experienced in traditional painting, these ideas clarify what the f* all the software terms actually mean and give me a new way to think about old terms I used to think were concrete foundations.
Sinix: talks about advanced color stuff
Me: ignoring everything and staring at the title and the line thinking HoW In tHe WoRlD Is thAt So StrAiGhT?!
Ctrl + C + Windows button to turn the monitor to greyscale for value checking. Doesnt' desaturate the image, it shows values. You have to enable this shortcut in the settings.
To check values: new top layer, set blending mode to “saturation,” fill new layer with black.
My brain exploded during this video.
Everyday is a reference's day
I love sinix's videos and can watch them all day long, but his voice just makes me feel so sleepy and tired
What are three things that make colours up?
Me, a programmer: R G B!!!
Hue saturation and value...
Me: oh...
But in the modern world!!!
ME: RGB ERB!!!!
Hue saturation and Brightness*
Me: oh.
I don't have any experience using Coolorus, but I believe it has the ability to "Lumosity Lock" in order to retain an accurate value while shifting hues
Hey sinix thanks for the like on my Instagram. Anyways you always ironically release the videos I need at the right time. Thanks man.
Great video, easy to pick up, and I loved the V-Sauce and RossDraws references! Keep up the good work
Sinix posting so often
homework can take the back seat,, sinix uploaded
Wow... I’ve been noticing this stuff for almost a year now, researched a lot till a few months ago, found out a bunch of info about this but never saw this amazing video. Even tho it’s all stuff I’d already figured out it’s great to see other artists acknowledging it :D
08:16 TURN DOWN FOR WHAT! you should design your own painting program bro, just awesome very graphical and clear explanation on how the values work :D
This is the most accurate video about color I’ve seen. Great job!
Man! That whole black layer set on "color" thing!!!!! YOU JUST SAVED MY CARREEEEEERRRRRRRR lol I'm using it on every piece now. If I don't like how it looks, I can just blame it on you :P
Woah!
Thanks a lot!
It really makes sense the differentiation between value and brightness. I must practice this so i won't forget it.
I have been using Krita. It's advanced color palette in HSI mode is pretty accurate in showing the colors' actual value and saturation.
8:25 its 2024 and I'm still waiting for that magical prismatic pixels system.....
#sinixstoplying #freethemagicalprism
This video is two years old, but I tested the "black-filled layer set to color blending mode" method with Procreate and it actually shows the inherent hue values well!
ooh i tried it with krita and it actually does the same thing as photoshop,
if you apply a desaturation filter the colours come out as the same mid grey, but if you ad a completely black layer on top and set it to colour mode it shows the actual values.
(another reason why krita is the best)
ohhhh now i understand why colors sometimes goes bland and sometimes they literally pop depending on which slider i'm using
thank you for the video, now it makes a lot of sense
youre my favorite teacher. Fast, clear and fun :)
Lol a Ross Draws reference
Damn! This video gonna help me a lot! I never noticed that I turned down my saturation and not my value!
Superb video, Sinix!!! Well done! 😍👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽You defined what I have been feeling with the greyscale, real colors, digital colors debate. You didn't menton Sketchbook Pro. Regardless, I use the squint method. Hey, it worked for the Old Masters and the Modern Artists, it works for me. Greyscale painting always reminds me of the old colorized photographs. I work mainly in digital. Yes, I know how to mix colors and worked in acrylics and oil. Worked traditional a long time. The brightness of digital and range of color is what I enjoy.
Glad you're back making videos. I miss you, when you don't post a new video. ☺️
USE KRITA! (free and open source software) it has some very in-depth colour picking and mixing options, including ways to differentiate values, gamut masks, and HSV/HSL/HSI/HSY blending modes or filters. see more info here: docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/blending_modes/hsx.html Krita really is an amazing painting program and I'm really amazed that more illustrators aren't using it
That blending mode Photoshop tip helped me a lot! Thank you!
Painting in hdr in the future will be cray cray
Hi! I am a person in the future lol . I didn’t figure out that this video comes out 6 years ago lol . Do our programs now find out a way to fix the value ?
Thanks for this, cleared up a lot of things. Please do more videos about color! Need to get better at it and it can be so difficult / confusing...
OMG the black thing works on clip studio, thank you!!!! I have learned a lot from your videos!
So many vids lately nice work!
in lighting theory, value refers to the "reflectivity" of a particular diffuse color. an object with absolute value zero value will not reflect any light, and hence perceived as totally black.
Very nice video, I did learn some interesting things about color with this. Thank you for making it :D
Thanks for nerding out on color. As a Photoshop user, I was relieved to learn that options I prefer there work more scientifically than in painter.
It's very cool, and a bit brave, of you to cop to your mistakes online. Way to push through all the trolling ugliness and man-up. ;)
thanks sinix , I would like to know more about color, do you have any other advice to complement what I have learned?
in SAI, the "color deepen" slider does that
Please man, i'm sucking balls on color, maybe beacause i still don't have the value milleage but i would love like a "all things that you should know about color for digital art" vídeo.
Awesome tutorials, i'm a big fan of you
Nicely done! Would be really perfect if this video was posted last year, I could have use it as a reference for my undergraduate paper :"). Oh well, great talk Robert!!
Best way to check your values in any program is to fill with black a layer in Color mode, then put this layer on top. As Sinix said desaturation is not the way
That was indepth, and helpful.
The overflow of intelligent information washed away your sin (your artistic sin) :P
Nah, but great stuff.
“Remember, every day is a color dodge day! Wait... that’s not my line.”
The colour picker you describe is almost exactly the same as the one found at www.hclarke.ca/colour-picker.html , known as an HCL colour picker. And yes, more programs should offer one out of the box.
Thank for sharing your tips!love your videos, the silly humor 😂and your voice ❤️.
Just color dodge it brah
your voice is so nice to listen to.
Here we are... 2023 has come and we still don't have the magic prismatic pixels
Awesome, thanks for making this tutorial 🙏😊 bringing light to this gloomy winter 😃
Hey, could you pleeeeeeeeease do a video explaining how to apply this while painting? Your video about painting like a sculptor helped me a lot, but I am still struggling so much with colors :(
Previously on Dragon Ball Z
I know this is late but I saw another artist say that pressing the windows key and ctrl c will make your monitor output in Grayscale. No more program limitations!
Could you make more videos about design theory, please? I really like those videos, they helped me a lot with my art! :)
Thanks for the refresher.
this is so important if you make WPAP project
Love me some good color talk! Great video.
LOVED THISSSSS! Could you do a tutorial on lips or eyes?
I loved this!!! thanks for the video!!
I use grayscale because im color blind and overlay rgb values over my work lol so what do I do:( I don't know how to overcome this now I mean i felt like i found a way around this but now i see how bad greyscale really is -_-
MrZEPHRIUM just stick to greyscale. There are black/white photographers, nothing stoppong you from being a black/white painter.
You need to take into account what colour things will be in your grey-scale painting. Sycra has a good video addressing this: ruclips.net/video/oQOFPraUNoQ/видео.html
Hey, check out this page www.colourconstructor.com/home/colourblindillustrator There is some great advice from a colourblind artist who actually works in the industry.
Photoshop has a luminosity color picker that does what everyone is looking for. Here's a luminosity 'palette' of colors at their correct luminosity: 78.media.tumblr.com/498a2063ae27a8fd57ce54cd587f9154/tumblr_odb7ml2c6S1r4ltwho1_1280.png
Also you can flatten all your layers (ctrl+alt+shift+e) to a new layer and set the layer mode to luminosity and it should be accurate, for checking values.
Hi Sinix Design, I'm a beginner and have been practicing Digital Painting. I've been trying to figure out how to make my paintingsg more 'Visually Appealing', and I was hoping you could advice (or make a video) on it? Seems like a subject that many beginners like me strugle with all the time. Ty for the videos so far they've been helpful.
Cool video Sinix :)
What a pleasant video.
It’s 2023 and there is no magic pixel prismatic thing :((
Is it possible that the desaturation in Procreate shows the correct value? Because if I place yellow and blue with the same brightness next to each other and desaturate the blue is darker. Or dont I understand something ?
THANK YOY
8:44 I will be waiting for 2023
Dat VSauce reference xD
Excellent
I this vsauce5?
Today I learned that value, brightness, and lightness are three different things. I still have a vague idea at best of what that difference is.
Sinix plz answer man !
question :- I'm studying in class 10th and was thinking, will anyone ask me.. when applying for job as a concept artist like what are my qualification, or just let me work on the basis of my art. like ya, how I behave is a factor like not being a sh*t He*d. but I think what I'm saying is .. is my education let it be my general education like school or high level education like collage really matters ?
So much fan service in this video 😂
what about alt+shit+ctrl+B? If you don't move anything it gives you the values.
Photoshop + magic picker extension = corelshop/profit
How about talk about gamut masking it seems like a more useful
thanks bert, good video, also hi.
lots of information to process @_@ what's the difference between a 'triangle in a circle' colour picker and a square one like in photoshop?
I think nothing but the shape
I may be late..But with the triangle picker ,as you pick a color,you increase both saturation and brightness while in the square one you increase them individually,you either increase the brightness or saturation,your increasing them individually.
Not boring at all
Krita has HSV , HSL, HSI and HSY´
0:44 I really said red yellow blue