I felt the title of this video so hard, for some reason when using physical paint I just cannot get my head around green and all its different shades and tones. This is obviously a problem when trying to paint literally anything outdoors haha.
I am russian, and I do indeed confirm that we have two different words for blue and light blue/cyan. However, we also have a name for the yellow-green, салатовый (pronounced salatoviy) which literally translates to “salad-colour”. It’s pretty interesting
to add to this: there is a name for the color between magenta and red and we call it "малиновый" (mah-lee-noh-viy), which translates to "raspberry" (I looked up how raspberry color looks in English aaaand it looks different from Russian! How differently cultures label colors!) Everyone I asked gave the same name for the color between magenta and red (малиновый)
Also it looks like Russian-speaking people use unique names for colors (like голубой, малиновый, салатовый, for example) more often than English-speaking folk, although my observations could be skewed due to the fact that I didn't live in English society but I spent my whole life in a Russian one.
It reminds me of when I was a kid and i got my first "mint" coloured pencil. I was enchanted by it cause everyone called it different names like "blueish green", "greenish blue", "grue" and even just "cyan". I was so freaking fascinated by that brand new color I've never met before...
Took me some time to figure out that the English word 'turquoise' only refers to the mineral. Where I'm from, we also use the name of the mineral to describe the color of it.
Not a big fan of hex but 0-9 would do it for me. like 0-0-0 beeing black and 9-9-9 obviously beeing white 900 beeing red if we follow a rgb pattern 090 is green 009 is blue 003 or so should be navy blue 111 222 333 444 555 666 777 888 are grey tones from dark to light 099 would be yellow - i guess? - depending if we are talking about additive or substractive mixing 909 magenta ? 509 should be purple then... ( we call it lila in german ) 990 is... uhm.. red & green ?? wait a second... is that yellow??? Now i am confused. Maybe we need to add an s and a for additive or substractive color mixing so ... s999 would be black a000 also black a999 would then be white s000 also white wait a secound shouldnt one of the be brown??????? damn i confused myself. i need to continue this thought when i wake up - remember me in a few hours - gn8 yall
@@allegedlyadult4839 thanx for reminding me this brainfux still existst. So help me out: if we mix all colors on a palete dont we get ocker, olive and brown instead of grey? is 333 now dark grey or dark brown? does ist depend on a/s mixing? anybody? Probably have to test it myself. - where are my colors? (Looks around) Where is anything? Damn i will have to fix my chaos before we can dive deeper into that. See yall in a bit...
Between Blue and Cyan could be Cerulean, one of the most used colors in Ghibli films. Red and Magenta could be Carmine? Its a colder hue of red, Lots of oil painters prefer it to mix because Pure Red or Cad Red often has a very warm feel and can easily overpower the whole painting.
i like the idea of cerulean, but i feel like carmine is a very deep red (and doesnt have much purple) , so what about fuchsia instead.. like it's more of a semi-hot pinkish color..?
You are 100% right when it comes to having more color perception based on language. I watched a documentary a long time ago about this remote tribe who does exactly as you describe: Has many names for different greens. They can perceive shades of green that are difficult/near impossible for people using traditional "color" language. However, something else interesting was the tribe did not have a name for other colors, thus they had a difficult time choosing the odd color out. EDIT: Documentary name in comments.
@@sinixdesign This is approaching a family of concepts in linguistic anthropology i think you would find interesting: linguistic relativity/the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis (linguistic influence on cognition).
From what I've found, the common names for the mid-hues are yellow-green = chartreuse green-cyan = spring green, sea green, or jade (this one's a bit messy) cyan-blue = azure or sky magenta-red = rose and then obviously orange and purple/violet
"we need a name for the color in between yellow and green, there's just too much real estate but there's no definitive word" Sinix it's called Chartruese
Sinix: Orange is the most creative color. Me, whose favorite color is brown, which is basically a dull or dark version of orange: I see this as an absolute win!
I actually recently researched about this for school and one interesting thing I found was that Koreans didn't used to distinguish between Blue and Green. Historically, they used to essentially say green was 'greener green' and blue was 'blue-er green.' You can actually find some older people still calling blue as green (vice versa, gets kinda confusing) here in Korea.
That's really interesting that this seems to be a common phenomenon among various Asian languages, I saw another commenter mention a similar case occurs (ie and older form of blue/green being the same word) with Japanese. In Vietnamese, this is still the case where the base word for blue and green are the same, and you attach descriptors like "leaf" for green or "sky" for blue to specify which color you mean.
tbh between magenta and red would probably be 'pink' or maybe 'rose' (in german there's actually a set color name for rose, called 'rosa' which describes a more reddish, and sometimes desaturated pink. there is also pink in german which is actually more like magenta, a very saturated bubblegum color). I'd probably call the color between cyan and blue something like 'sky'.
In russian the whole magenta range is pink. Violet is right between M and B and blue is really squished because starting from about 1/3 way towards cyan is what we call "голубой". Bright mint color is green to me and blue to a couple people I know. The rest is pretty much the same. Green is the widest range and doesn't have any set colors within it besides what designers use, like "mountain troll snot" or "semi-wet asphalt". Or "unconscious toad" (that's a real color in russian design industry XD it's 123,145,123 in rgb)
The coolest thing about color names in Russian (and most slavic languages as far as I know) is that it's acceptable to just call midhues by the two colors they stand next to. We basically can just say "green-cyan" to mean a hue between cyan and green. Really useful, not sure if it's made us native speakers better artists though.
But the point is your brain sees things as symbols first. So you need a distinct name for your brain to give it distinct importance and allow you to see it better.
This started as a conspiracy theory and turned into one of the most valuable lessons in art I've learned in recent times. Sinix is my favorite art youtuber.
Green had deeper meanings back than, when after the cold, dark winter the first leaves of spring appeared. Or when we used to live in the forrest and we moved between the leaves, some yellow tints catched our eyes to tell us "hey here is something" while oder red tints yelled for our attention, this is something that is still present in our modern traffic system. Altough I agree with the point that naming hues improves color choices, there is a deep psychological meaning behind them, that goes way back. Un abrazo caballero!
As Russian, can confirm that we do have two completely different equally rightful colors for what would be called blue in English (голубой and синий), but on the other hand we call violet (фиолетовый) everything in the range approximately from indigo to magenta. Also, dr. Sapolsky in his Stanford lectures pointed out on the interesting phenomena - your color perception is different depending on where you are from, like what culture you were raised in and how this culture name colors. For example, looking at the same color, some people will confidently say “red” and some will say “orange” with the same confidence.
For me, I like the idea of calling the color between red and magenta- ruby, and the color between blue and cyan - sky. Either way i was actually suprised when i realized how orange is such a small part of the color wheel, yet we recognize it really well. Also a fun fact, people used to call the color blue green.
My hair's a gradient of sky, mint, blue, and purple. I did kind of a crappy job when I first dyed it, so it had a lot of inconsistency between the colors, but now I love it because I can literally just color pick from my hair when describing a color irl.
DHMIS 1 1:49 - "Green is not a creative color" Green is Not a Creative Color is a catchphrase by Sketchbook from the first Don't Hug Me I'm Scared. The phrase disparages the color green. In the first Don't Hug Me I'm Scared, the puppets arranged leaves and sticks into their favorite colors (Red Guy likes blue, Duck Guy likes red, and Yellow Guy likes green).
I think the main reason why we have this pesky colour constancy thing is not so much linguistical, but biological - our vision is mostly there just to make quick sense of the environment around us - notice predators, find food etc. And that's way easier when you can assign and keep the local colours in mind, filtering out the lighting information. And so you get to think of the same green apple in the sun and in the shade as the same object, instead of getting confused about different similar apples appearing and disappearing everywhere. I also think that the pleasure we derive from looking at things (art or the real world) is inextricably linked to how easy it is for our brain to interpret and structure what we see - we love understanding everything around us, and if it's clean and easy to read - it gives us a simple and comfortable pleasure. But if we want a spicier, more exciting kind of visual treat, the best thing is for our brain to have to work hard to figure it out - filling in the blanks, noticing hazy patterns and succeeding in the end - that appeals to our problem solving instincts, to noticing a predator in the nick of time, finding that well-hidden fruit. When thinking about it in these terms, most visual design and colour theories seem to fall into place, falling into one of these two categories - clarification or obfuscation of visual information. I highly recommend watching V S Ramachandran's lectures about Aesthetics from a neurological standpoint if this sounds vaguely interesting - plenty of wild speculation there, but interesting stuff. As for giving more names to colours for our own betterment - that's definitely a good idea - since I've started dabbling in oils, the world of browns has transformed for me from obtuse and dull muck to a beautiful variety of yellow ochres, raw siennas, red ochres and burnt umbers.
I've never been more hype in my life hearing someone say "orange". it's my favorite color and I've always thought it's the best, it just feels like the most colorful color out there.
this is pretty spot on to the way i've come to think. when i was a young kid and went to live in greece for a year, i noticed that the greeks labelled orange as either red or yellow depending on what it was closest to. there is a name for orange but it's considered a very specific colour, like we might say names like "lavender" or "gamboge". On the other hand, the sky was not blue, it was another word which we can translate as azure. So azure is not a very specific type of blue as in english, but a range of colours.
I've been using that "12 colors" naming thing for a few years now. With the addition of "sky" and "pink". And it really does help a tone identifying colors.
In Spanish, we have a word for the color between red and magenta. We call that "vinotinto" which is translated as "red wine" and it's supposed to be the color of red wine lol it's pretty self-explanatory. In Venezuela we are super used to that color as a mid-hue because all of the national sports teams have a "vinotinto" uniform, and we call our national teams the "vinotinto". It's most common to use it to refer to the national soccer team but the basketball team is "vinotinto" as well. And yeah, we just think about it as another color, so much that watching this video was kind of a cultural shock because I never thought that you guys don't really have a word for that color....
This reminds me there was research done on African tribe where they had no word for blue so they couldn't tell it apart because blue and green was in the same category and they had more words for the shade of green.
the color between red and magenta has always been my favorite color, but i just never knew what to call it as a kid. i think this topic is so fascinating ☺️
I think the wheel would go as such in a colockwise order beginning with yellow: Yellow, Lime, Mint, Cyan, Azure, Blue, Purple, Magenta, Fuschia, Red and Orange.
Also, in russian there is the word (commonly used) for the color between red and magenta - 'малиновый' (malinovy). Can be translated as 'raspberry color'.
For describing objects it makes perfect sense to use a set group of colours and diversify in the warm range if you have the average RGB vision, since colours tend to be used to specify characteristics about an object in language, such as "oh look at that red car". Languages don't always follow the colours English or most European languages do, the simplest colour terminology is usually one in which value and hue get lumped together so that dark/light are the only distinctions (I like this system the second most, since it teaches the importance of hue distinction and context early on, aswell as underlying values to hues, such as blue being darker than yellow) then many languages add red to this, since red is very prominent and stands out to us a lot, especially given it's role in wounds and blood, not to mention it's the darkest strongly warm colour and so it can be a bit confusing reffering to it as dark or light alone. It goes on like that usually adding grue (green and blue, many languagess lump these two together, even one that I personally speak, Northern Sotho, has the word -tala for both of these) and yellow and then expanding into more nuance. This is a trend though, not a rule, like Himba has what appears to be a cyan, magenta, yellow, black and white system (adjusted to most common enviromental/lighting effects on perception) but which somewhat stumps people for being a bit weird. My favorite system has to be a dark, light, warm and cool contrast. It's the most fundamental things you need to understand to get good colour, even a purple apple still looks near natural if you get the value and temperature compared to the enviroment right, and since the distinction is so little, it makes things more flexible and less categorical, and imo if you have fewer categories it becomes easier to uderstand the myriad of colours/choices there actually are. That's just my 2 cents anyway, some of it is definitely subjective, sorry for the wall of chat xD TL;DR: Languages categorise colours diffrently, less could possibly be more Some links for those interested: ruclips.net/video/gMqZR3pqMjg/видео.html www.gondwana-collection.com/blog/how-do-namibian-himbas-see-colour
interesting video! definitely agree with what you said about how we learnt to view colour incorrectly. took me ages to realise that when painting, the context of the lighting is what defined what colours i used and not the inherent base colour of the object i was painting.
i name the colours as follows, where i've put intermediate hues in brackets: red (orange) yellow (lemon) green (turquoise) azure (blue) sea-blue (indigo) violet purple (magenta) red nb i use magenta in it's traditional sense of purplish red, not in its printer's ink sense of a kind of hot pink. I also use these abbreviations R O Y L G T Γ B Θ I V Pu M. I use two letters Pu for purple so as not to confuse it with Pi for pink. The greek letters are from the greek words for the colours, but you can substitute A for azure and U for ultramarine if you prefer.
Azure is a tertiary color and should be put in brackets, i think you meant to have 12 colors, but you have 13. The thing with the letters is a good way to remember
The key point for me is that each of these hues has a different native VALUE. i.e. they're not interchangeable. This causes a lot of problems when artists try to change the hue of something, only to find that the values are now screwed up.
Your explanation of our ancestors sounds reasonable and your video is a good interpretation of a topic I got my hands on a month ago. I stumble across an interesting book called Soul stirring digital color mastery and in the first chapter they wire up the same problem of lack of language and the colors they want to describe. They also mention the subject of hypocognition (you did that too), which means the lack of words in a language for a particular representation. E.g.: In Russia two different types of blue are known, but not in german. An interesting topic in my opinion. I really recommend looking into this book and thanks for the video, it's a good reminder to take a closer look at the world around us.
I had always sensitive eyes for colors since i was a child. I hated when my mom called mint "green" or "pink" red. I think you named well these mid colors, that's how I've always called them. I've always called the color between red and magenta "wild rose". And for the color between blue and cyan my suggestion would be "sky" :>
It's not too late for our brains to relearn colour. The neuroplasticity of the brain is huge, even if in an early age is much higher, our brains never stop being adaptable and being able to change if need be.
AFAIK most vertebrates excluding mammals have 4 different color receptors in their eyes. Mammals lost two of them but then primates gained one again. So we can see more colors than most mammals, but less than most other animals :(
@@mai-qy9ji most birds and fish can see UV light. Some birds like pigeons might even be pentachromats. (but I didn't do much research past reading the Wikipedia article)
I’ve always called the colour between cyan and blue depressed blue but I think theirs a better name and the colour between magenta and red a fucken good red. Very creative
If you actually look at color on a nanometer wavelength scale, isn't most of the visual range actually green? Color spectra in art programs are adjusted so that the different colors we can recognize are more evenly distributed, otherwise there would be "too much" green.
Funny thing is - I think we indeed experience colors in a bit different way. First of all - I've never heard "magenta" in russian. I and most people I know always called everything from red to purple "pink" even tho pink is actually desaturated red. Idk why it's like that but to me pink (like cartoony pigs) and magenta are more similar than magenta and violet/purple. Blue/cyan thing is also very confusing. I think "our" green goes a bit further into cyan than you show and "our" blue is really squished between what we call "фиолетовый" and "голубой" which to you are mid colors between Magenta Blue and Cyan. But that might just be me being stupid :)
My final project in college was actually based on how your language defines the process in which you act upon and how different languages can lead to different mentalities. Wish this video existed then haha
Your essay was very interesting to listen to and I must admit that I had to reconsider my love for green :D However I don't think the color green itself is a bad color, but I do agree on the word being too vague. As a child, I was taught that the "mint" color was turquoise so I guess I have naturally limited my mental palette with that. I've also tried to name different colors - like "lime" - and learn all those "crimson reds" from "cadmium reds" so my classification-obsessed-mind could rest at ease. Furthermore learning "traditional" names for colors (ultramarine, prussian blue, yellow ocre etc.) is a great way to tell apart different color hues from each other. I have never used oil tube with green color, but I bet those have names as well so why not to apply them? Also do you think that kind of knowledge of differentiating colors by their "traditional name" could help to understand them better and to apply them to digital artworks? As a side note, this video fueled my inspiration to further study and understand the variations of "green" so I can apply it to my own paintings! :D
It amused me how true some of this discussion points were at least on my personal experience, i used to have a lot of trouble when using colors but got past that when i started to see it as "light" instead.
IDK why creativity is being defined in terms of overcoming limitations... that sounds like part of the definition of a personal trait, a virtue of creativity... not what creativity is, but what it is to have it, or express it. What it is, it seems to me, is just the production of the new, with the proviso that the new thing have some merit, to distinguish it from just ordinary production, which might be 100% shit. When Sinix slips into calling green a creative color... man, we're far from making any sense at all. What's happening? lol!
I am an artist currently working in graphic design for just over a year now and honestly it helped a lot with those divisions of color. In graphic design we have a bunch of names for inbetween colors. Most of them are unnofficial names and kinda funny (like panty blue or the spotify green) but it really helped format my brain into thinking of them as seperate colors
Maybe for the color between Red and Magenta, that could be Rose? It's kinda iffy cause of red is usually what people associate with roses. Otherwise it would be some heavier form of pink. The color between Blue and Cyan could be Azure, which could be described as the usual color of the sky. Though, Blue and Azure used to be seen as the same color (diff hues and specifications)
Fun fact: in Polish language there was no one name for "blue" in like XVIII century, idk exactly since when it's used. Back then there were just names for different shades. For hues of green there are maybe less words, but I still use different names (like olive, emerald, turquoise etc.)
TBH, I don't get the practical problem here. Just because the word "green" covers a wide band on the spectrum doesn't mean you can't utilize that whole range.
Kind of interesting that you and I have the same word for "lime" but a different word for "mint" when I see "mint" I call it teal in my brain. The one between Cyan and Blue I read as "Sky" and the one between Magenta and Red I read as "Rose".
I find it interesting to see how hues are given more emphasis in text produced in intellectual cultures, like literature (eg poetry and novels) and sometimes analytical non-fiction about the art (eg art analysis, commentary and criticisms, writings about art history, etc).
The biggest improvement I ever made in plein air painting was when I threw my green paint in the trash and invested more heavily in yellow and blue.
Green is my favorite color.
I just read this in that book "color and light" about a week ago and my art looks better ever since
I felt the title of this video so hard, for some reason when using physical paint I just cannot get my head around green and all its different shades and tones. This is obviously a problem when trying to paint literally anything outdoors haha.
@@hisan5485 ur uncreative then 🙄✋🏼/j
Hey Sinix can you tell me what book/article in anthropology did you read about colors and the name of the author/scholar as well?
I can never tell if sinix is currently at a front view or a 3/4s view
Lol. It's because if my face is at a front view, my nose is 3/4s. And if my nose is at a front view, my face is 3/4s.
Lol I never noticed that
Now I can’t unsee this during the whole video
@@sinixdesign Everyone are asymmetrical in some way, it's ok 👍
the bane of comfort angle drawing
*when green is your favorite color-*
Yup :')
*cryed
Green
Saw the title and it hurt a little that’s all I gotta say
green pilled
I am russian, and I do indeed confirm that we have two different words for blue and light blue/cyan. However, we also have a name for the yellow-green, салатовый (pronounced salatoviy) which literally translates to “salad-colour”. It’s pretty interesting
to add to this: there is a name for the color between magenta and red and we call it "малиновый" (mah-lee-noh-viy), which translates to "raspberry" (I looked up how raspberry color looks in English aaaand it looks different from Russian! How differently cultures label colors!)
Everyone I asked gave the same name for the color between magenta and red (малиновый)
Also it looks like Russian-speaking people use unique names for colors (like голубой, малиновый, салатовый, for example) more often than English-speaking folk, although my observations could be skewed due to the fact that I didn't live in English society but I spent my whole life in a Russian one.
Salátový
@@shmel3689 точно, а я и забыл про малиновый. А ведь вроде бы распространённый цвет. Спасибо)
Also there is a common word for color between cyran and green - бирюзовый (biryzovyi) named after turquoise rock
It reminds me of when I was a kid and i got my first "mint" coloured pencil. I was enchanted by it cause everyone called it different names like "blueish green", "greenish blue", "grue" and even just "cyan". I was so freaking fascinated by that brand new color I've never met before...
Took me some time to figure out that the English word 'turquoise' only refers to the mineral. Where I'm from, we also use the name of the mineral to describe the color of it.
I freaking loved mint as a kid, still do! I have tons of mint art supplies.
@@lonestarr1490 no, it's a color too
@@lonestarr1490 no, we use it as a color too
@@lonestarr1490 For a lot of my life I didn't know turquoise was a mineral, only knew it as the color.
Dreaming of a world where we speak in hex for colors
That’d be wonderful xd
"Please paint here more #85cf7a instead of #9cde76" ; "I don't know about that #4de879, maybe a #36d172 would be better?"
Not a big fan of hex but 0-9 would do it for me.
like 0-0-0 beeing black and 9-9-9 obviously beeing white
900 beeing red if we follow a rgb pattern
090 is green
009 is blue
003 or so should be navy blue
111 222 333 444 555 666 777 888 are grey tones from dark to light
099 would be yellow - i guess? - depending if we are talking about additive or substractive mixing
909 magenta ?
509 should be purple then... ( we call it lila in german )
990 is... uhm.. red & green ?? wait a second... is that yellow???
Now i am confused.
Maybe we need to add an s and a for additive or substractive color mixing
so ...
s999 would be black
a000 also black
a999 would then be white
s000 also white
wait a secound shouldnt one of the be brown???????
damn i confused myself.
i need to continue this thought when i wake up
- remember me in a few hours - gn8 yall
@@dqmynator2.080 such a deep thought that your brain needed to shut down
@@allegedlyadult4839 thanx for reminding me this brainfux still existst.
So help me out: if we mix all colors on a palete dont we get ocker, olive and brown instead of grey?
is 333 now dark grey or dark brown?
does ist depend on a/s mixing?
anybody?
Probably have to test it myself. - where are my colors?
(Looks around)
Where is anything?
Damn i will have to fix my chaos before we can dive deeper into that.
See yall in a bit...
Between Blue and Cyan could be Cerulean, one of the most used colors in Ghibli films. Red and Magenta could be Carmine? Its a colder hue of red, Lots of oil painters prefer it to mix because Pure Red or Cad Red often has a very warm feel and can easily overpower the whole painting.
the ghibli fact makes cerulean much more memorable
i'd probably call that red-magenta hue just pink. or maybe rose or blush?
@@ZArtifiziert idk I feel like maybe cherry? Or whatever you would call the color of a black cherry that’s lighter
i like the idea of cerulean, but i feel like carmine is a very deep red (and doesnt have much purple) , so what about fuchsia instead.. like it's more of a semi-hot pinkish color..?
Carmin is very intense, do you think burgundy would be a good match or is it desaturated ?
Ok green is my favorite color and I feel attacked right now xD
Same 😭
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You are 100% right when it comes to having more color perception based on language. I watched a documentary a long time ago about this remote tribe who does exactly as you describe: Has many names for different greens. They can perceive shades of green that are difficult/near impossible for people using traditional "color" language. However, something else interesting was the tribe did not have a name for other colors, thus they had a difficult time choosing the odd color out.
EDIT: Documentary name in comments.
Really?! I wanna see this documentary. Anyone know what it is?
@@sinixdesign i think that would be the himba tribe in namibia! Search it on RUclips i saw a 8 minute short about it. :)
@@sinixdesign I just found out it's BBC "Horizon: Do You See What I See?"
Good luck finding the whole documentary. Copyright strikes galore!
@@sinixdesign This is approaching a family of concepts in linguistic anthropology i think you would find interesting: linguistic relativity/the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis (linguistic influence on cognition).
wow that is so interesting makes me wonder about what other things im missing out on based on which language I grew up with
Thanks for that "Don't Hug Me I'm Scared" reference. I'm not sleeping ever again.
what's your favorite idea, mine is being creative!
From what I've found, the common names for the mid-hues are
yellow-green = chartreuse
green-cyan = spring green, sea green, or jade (this one's a bit messy)
cyan-blue = azure or sky
magenta-red = rose
and then obviously orange and purple/violet
"we need a name for the color in between yellow and green, there's just too much real estate but there's no definitive word" Sinix it's called Chartruese
i actually thought of lime before he said it on the video so...
I just say yellow green. 😂
Ok now let's call it something not dumb
I was thinking chartreuse as well! Though I imagine lime may be an easier sell lol
lime dude, lime. I also call it snot or pukish green if it's gross lookin enough.
Sinix: Orange is the most creative color.
Me, whose favorite color is brown, which is basically a dull or dark version of orange:
I see this as an absolute win!
Oh wtf you just made me realise why I like cyan as a light colour and not as a dark colour. I feel like I just woke up to a whole other reality.
I actually recently researched about this for school and one interesting thing I found was that Koreans didn't used to distinguish between Blue and Green. Historically, they used to essentially say green was 'greener green' and blue was 'blue-er green.' You can actually find some older people still calling blue as green (vice versa, gets kinda confusing) here in Korea.
That's really interesting that this seems to be a common phenomenon among various Asian languages, I saw another commenter mention a similar case occurs (ie and older form of blue/green being the same word) with Japanese. In Vietnamese, this is still the case where the base word for blue and green are the same, and you attach descriptors like "leaf" for green or "sky" for blue to specify which color you mean.
I clicked the video to argue that green is the best color ever, but okay you got a point xD
"Is it possible that it's something deeper?"
when it's Don't Hug Me I'm Scared, the answer is always yes
great video.. thanks Sinix!
Big fan
@@kaokao1642 small fan
I've always called the hue between Red and Magenta: "Fuchsia"
Isn't it called 'fuchsia' not fuschia
Same
@@Darcy000 oops my bad
I always called it pink
tbh between magenta and red would probably be 'pink' or maybe 'rose' (in german there's actually a set color name for rose, called 'rosa' which describes a more reddish, and sometimes desaturated pink. there is also pink in german which is actually more like magenta, a very saturated bubblegum color). I'd probably call the color between cyan and blue something like 'sky'.
Omg in portuguese "rosa" describes the same color hahah It's really fun since the two languages are so different
In russian the whole magenta range is pink. Violet is right between M and B and blue is really squished because starting from about 1/3 way towards cyan is what we call "голубой".
Bright mint color is green to me and blue to a couple people I know. The rest is pretty much the same. Green is the widest range and doesn't have any set colors within it besides what designers use, like "mountain troll snot" or "semi-wet asphalt". Or "unconscious toad" (that's a real color in russian design industry XD it's 123,145,123 in rgb)
Wow I literally thought “pink and sky” hahah
@@alessandrakoth9569 well the languages have the same roots I think? Both latin
I thought the same exact things, rose and sky lol
The coolest thing about color names in Russian (and most slavic languages as far as I know) is that it's acceptable to just call midhues by the two colors they stand next to. We basically can just say "green-cyan" to mean a hue between cyan and green. Really useful, not sure if it's made us native speakers better artists though.
But the point is your brain sees things as symbols first. So you need a distinct name for your brain to give it distinct importance and allow you to see it better.
Серо-буро-малиновый :)
This started as a conspiracy theory and turned into one of the most valuable lessons in art I've learned in recent times. Sinix is my favorite art youtuber.
Habla lenda
I've never heard this explanation for why we classify so many colors as green. Very cool!
Green is the best color
😭😭
However I’m very intrigued
Me when I saw the title
Babies in kindergarten: g-gween
Sinix: *teleports behind them* actually that's mint
Green had deeper meanings back than, when after the cold, dark winter the first leaves of spring appeared. Or when we used to live in the forrest and we moved between the leaves, some yellow tints catched our eyes to tell us "hey here is something" while oder red tints yelled for our attention, this is something that is still present in our modern traffic system. Altough I agree with the point that naming hues improves color choices, there is a deep psychological meaning behind them, that goes way back. Un abrazo caballero!
so is this why paint brands have so many weird names they put on the colors
As Russian, can confirm that we do have two completely different equally rightful colors for what would be called blue in English (голубой and синий), but on the other hand we call violet (фиолетовый) everything in the range approximately from indigo to magenta.
Also, dr. Sapolsky in his Stanford lectures pointed out on the interesting phenomena - your color perception is different depending on where you are from, like what culture you were raised in and how this culture name colors. For example, looking at the same color, some people will confidently say “red” and some will say “orange” with the same confidence.
Разве что "сиреневый" и "сливовый" где-то появляются
For me, I like the idea of calling the color between red and magenta- ruby, and the color between blue and cyan - sky. Either way i was actually suprised when i realized how orange is such a small part of the color wheel, yet we recognize it really well. Also a fun fact, people used to call the color blue green.
before watching: but green is my favorite color :(
after watching: mint is my favorite color :)
as someone with green dyed hair idk how to feel about this yet
Same xD
I don't think youre supposed to feel good about it :P
so is it lime or mint?
My hair's a gradient of sky, mint, blue, and purple. I did kind of a crappy job when I first dyed it, so it had a lot of inconsistency between the colors, but now I love it because I can literally just color pick from my hair when describing a color irl.
Why
green is beautiful color
Which green
@@josoup8291 yes
DHMIS 1 1:49 - "Green is not a creative color" Green is Not a Creative Color is a catchphrase by Sketchbook from the first Don't Hug Me I'm Scared. The phrase disparages the color green. In the first Don't Hug Me I'm Scared, the puppets arranged leaves and sticks into their favorite colors (Red Guy likes blue, Duck Guy likes red, and Yellow Guy likes green).
I think the main reason why we have this pesky colour constancy thing is not so much linguistical, but biological - our vision is mostly there just to make quick sense of the environment around us - notice predators, find food etc. And that's way easier when you can assign and keep the local colours in mind, filtering out the lighting information. And so you get to think of the same green apple in the sun and in the shade as the same object, instead of getting confused about different similar apples appearing and disappearing everywhere.
I also think that the pleasure we derive from looking at things (art or the real world) is inextricably linked to how easy it is for our brain to interpret and structure what we see - we love understanding everything around us, and if it's clean and easy to read - it gives us a simple and comfortable pleasure. But if we want a spicier, more exciting kind of visual treat, the best thing is for our brain to have to work hard to figure it out - filling in the blanks, noticing hazy patterns and succeeding in the end - that appeals to our problem solving instincts, to noticing a predator in the nick of time, finding that well-hidden fruit. When thinking about it in these terms, most visual design and colour theories seem to fall into place, falling into one of these two categories - clarification or obfuscation of visual information. I highly recommend watching V S Ramachandran's lectures about Aesthetics from a neurological standpoint if this sounds vaguely interesting - plenty of wild speculation there, but interesting stuff.
As for giving more names to colours for our own betterment - that's definitely a good idea - since I've started dabbling in oils, the world of browns has transformed for me from obtuse and dull muck to a beautiful variety of yellow ochres, raw siennas, red ochres and burnt umbers.
Thank you Sinix! I was looking for "Dont hug me I am scared" and couldnt figure out how the name was again :D
I call that cyan indigo middle part “jean”? It’s one of my faves
Ooh! That’s a great name for it! And I’ve seen other people call between magenta and red pink
I've never been more hype in my life hearing someone say "orange".
it's my favorite color and I've always thought it's the best, it just feels like the most colorful color out there.
this is pretty spot on to the way i've come to think. when i was a young kid and went to live in greece for a year, i noticed that the greeks labelled orange as either red or yellow depending on what it was closest to. there is a name for orange but it's considered a very specific colour, like we might say names like "lavender" or "gamboge". On the other hand, the sky was not blue, it was another word which we can translate as azure. So azure is not a very specific type of blue as in english, but a range of colours.
I've been using that "12 colors" naming thing for a few years now. With the addition of "sky" and "pink". And it really does help a tone identifying colors.
this is going straight to my gcse art teacher thanks
In Spanish, we have a word for the color between red and magenta. We call that "vinotinto" which is translated as "red wine" and it's supposed to be the color of red wine lol it's pretty self-explanatory. In Venezuela we are super used to that color as a mid-hue because all of the national sports teams have a "vinotinto" uniform, and we call our national teams the "vinotinto". It's most common to use it to refer to the national soccer team but the basketball team is "vinotinto" as well. And yeah, we just think about it as another color, so much that watching this video was kind of a cultural shock because I never thought that you guys don't really have a word for that color....
This reminds me there was research done on African tribe where they had no word for blue so they couldn't tell it apart because blue and green was in the same category and they had more words for the shade of green.
the color between red and magenta has always been my favorite color, but i just never knew what to call it as a kid. i think this topic is so fascinating ☺️
I think the wheel would go as such in a colockwise order beginning with yellow:
Yellow, Lime, Mint, Cyan, Azure, Blue, Purple, Magenta, Fuschia, Red and Orange.
yayy you’ve been uploading so much recently!!
RIP everyone with green eyes ;.;
Also, in russian there is the word (commonly used) for the color between red and magenta - 'малиновый' (malinovy). Can be translated as 'raspberry color'.
9:59 I like referring to magenta-red as "raspberry"
I've always called it "wild rose", but your suggestion is also on point!!
me Sitting here in a green room with green hair, green eyes and a good amount of green clothes: you wanna fight?
0:47 *VSAUCE* *MOMENT*
For describing objects it makes perfect sense to use a set group of colours and diversify in the warm range if you have the average RGB vision, since colours tend to be used to specify characteristics about an object in language, such as "oh look at that red car".
Languages don't always follow the colours English or most European languages do, the simplest colour terminology is usually one in which value and hue get lumped together so that dark/light are the only distinctions (I like this system the second most, since it teaches the importance of hue distinction and context early on, aswell as underlying values to hues, such as blue being darker than yellow) then many languages add red to this, since red is very prominent and stands out to us a lot, especially given it's role in wounds and blood, not to mention it's the darkest strongly warm colour and so it can be a bit confusing reffering to it as dark or light alone.
It goes on like that usually adding grue (green and blue, many languagess lump these two together, even one that I personally speak, Northern Sotho, has the word -tala for both of these) and yellow and then expanding into more nuance.
This is a trend though, not a rule, like Himba has what appears to be a cyan, magenta, yellow, black and white system (adjusted to most common enviromental/lighting effects on perception) but which somewhat stumps people for being a bit weird.
My favorite system has to be a dark, light, warm and cool contrast. It's the most fundamental things you need to understand to get good colour,
even a purple apple still looks near natural if you get the value and temperature compared to the enviroment right, and since the distinction is so little, it makes things more flexible and less categorical, and imo if you have fewer categories it becomes easier to uderstand the myriad of colours/choices there actually are.
That's just my 2 cents anyway, some of it is definitely subjective, sorry for the wall of chat xD
TL;DR: Languages categorise colours diffrently, less could possibly be more
Some links for those interested:
ruclips.net/video/gMqZR3pqMjg/видео.html
www.gondwana-collection.com/blog/how-do-namibian-himbas-see-colour
Truly disgusting, that some "people" would do this horrible thing.
Oh god its spreading
...what’s happening
PLEASE STOP I CAN'T ESCAPE THIS STUPID MEME
WHY
kill it befor it lays eggs!
Since when did these worlds iNTERSECT
I'm implementing your suggestion of naming the "mid-tones" instead of using blanket terms into my daily life starting from today. Thanks Sinix!
Me: Has just spent the past few months expressing how much I love the color green and how it's my current favorite color
Thi Video: Exists
Sketchbook from DHMIS: *Exists*
interesting video! definitely agree with what you said about how we learnt to view colour incorrectly. took me ages to realise that when painting, the context of the lighting is what defined what colours i used and not the inherent base colour of the object i was painting.
holy shint wild milkbox
i name the colours as follows, where i've put intermediate hues in brackets: red (orange) yellow (lemon) green (turquoise) azure (blue) sea-blue (indigo) violet purple (magenta) red
nb i use magenta in it's traditional sense of purplish red, not in its printer's ink sense of a kind of hot pink.
I also use these abbreviations R O Y L G T Γ B Θ I V Pu M. I use two letters Pu for purple so as not to confuse it with Pi for pink. The greek letters are from the greek words for the colours, but you can substitute A for azure and U for ultramarine if you prefer.
Azure is a tertiary color and should be put in brackets, i think you meant to have 12 colors, but you have 13. The thing with the letters is a good way to remember
10:44 "I guess I can't be bothered to name all of these colors."
My brain: "Noooooooooo!"
The key point for me is that each of these hues has a different native VALUE.
i.e. they're not interchangeable.
This causes a lot of problems when artists try to change the hue of something, only to find that the values are now screwed up.
THIS IS SO ANNOYING omg but its so fun when you realize this and start making your hue shifts look more natural
Your explanation of our ancestors sounds reasonable and your video is a good interpretation of
a topic I got my hands on a month ago. I stumble across an interesting book called
Soul stirring digital color mastery and in the first chapter they wire up
the same problem of lack of language and the colors they want to describe.
They also mention the subject of hypocognition (you did that too), which means the lack of words in a language for a particular representation. E.g.: In Russia two different types of blue are known, but not in german. An interesting topic in my opinion.
I really recommend looking into this book and thanks for the video, it's a good reminder to take a closer look at the world around us.
I had always sensitive eyes for colors since i was a child. I hated when my mom called mint "green" or "pink" red. I think you named well these mid colors, that's how I've always called them. I've always called the color between red and magenta "wild rose". And for the color between blue and cyan my suggestion would be "sky" :>
It's not too late for our brains to relearn colour. The neuroplasticity of the brain is huge, even if in an early age is much higher, our brains never stop being adaptable and being able to change if need be.
B-but I like green 😖
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@_MoMa yeah, they’re pretty colors as well
i remember from James gurney's book that primarily green paintings are the least bought and least popular
My hair is basically colored the whole green-blue-purple spectrum, so I can just point to a part of my hair when describing colors irl haha.
That was nice.I now get why it took me so much time drawing dryads.
I cant pay attention with those luscious locks of hair. Goddam you look like a head and shoulders model
This is the best video I've ever seen and I wholeheartedly believe it should be a Ted talk cause everyone needs to see this
AFAIK most vertebrates excluding mammals have 4 different color receptors in their eyes. Mammals lost two of them but then primates gained one again. So we can see more colors than most mammals, but less than most other animals :(
We have red green and blue i guess, but what is the missing one?
@@mai-qy9ji most birds and fish can see UV light. Some birds like pigeons might even be pentachromats. (but I didn't do much research past reading the Wikipedia article)
No idea why but the title it gave me "don't hug me I'm scared vibes"
I’ve always called the colour between cyan and blue depressed blue but I think theirs a better name and the colour between magenta and red a fucken good red. Very creative
Stunning. ✨
I love these art thought episodes. Please keep them coming. Green is one of my favorite colors.
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If you actually look at color on a nanometer wavelength scale, isn't most of the visual range actually green? Color spectra in art programs are adjusted so that the different colors we can recognize are more evenly distributed, otherwise there would be "too much" green.
Funny thing is - I think we indeed experience colors in a bit different way. First of all - I've never heard "magenta" in russian. I and most people I know always called everything from red to purple "pink" even tho pink is actually desaturated red. Idk why it's like that but to me pink (like cartoony pigs) and magenta are more similar than magenta and violet/purple.
Blue/cyan thing is also very confusing.
I think "our" green goes a bit further into cyan than you show and "our" blue is really squished between what we call "фиолетовый" and "голубой" which to you are mid colors between Magenta Blue and Cyan.
But that might just be me being stupid :)
Pink is not a desaturated red it’s an entirely different hue. Otherwise where else does hot pink come from. That’s not desaturated at all.
My final project in college was actually based on how your language defines the process in which you act upon and how different languages can lead to different mentalities. Wish this video existed then haha
I kinda have to agree, we need an official set of color names everyone can agree on. we need names for the midtones of the midtones too haha!
i don't know if i understand it completely but this is really cool!! jjust have to watch again a few times
Your essay was very interesting to listen to and I must admit that I had to reconsider my love for green :D
However I don't think the color green itself is a bad color, but I do agree on the word being too vague.
As a child, I was taught that the "mint" color was turquoise so I guess I have naturally limited my mental palette with that. I've also tried to name different colors - like "lime" - and learn all those "crimson reds" from "cadmium reds" so my classification-obsessed-mind could rest at ease.
Furthermore learning "traditional" names for colors (ultramarine, prussian blue, yellow ocre etc.) is a great way to tell apart different color hues from each other. I have never used oil tube with green color, but I bet those have names as well so why not to apply them?
Also do you think that kind of knowledge of differentiating colors by their "traditional name" could help to understand them better and to apply them to digital artworks?
As a side note, this video fueled my inspiration to further study and understand the variations of "green" so I can apply it to my own paintings! :D
It amused me how true some of this discussion points were at least on my personal experience, i used to have a lot of trouble when using colors but got past that when i started to see it as "light" instead.
Meanwhile blue AND green are both one word in vietnamese
Really nice content Mr Sinix! Also like your Design Theory videos! Thanks a lot for sharing!
I mean the blue between "Blue" and "Cyan" feels like a Munsell Blue or Cerulean, but that's just me
so much content lately, loving it!
What if we only had, like 2 words for all the colours. Imagine how shit we'd all be at art lul
IDK why creativity is being defined in terms of overcoming limitations... that sounds like part of the definition of a personal trait, a virtue of creativity... not what creativity is, but what it is to have it, or express it. What it is, it seems to me, is just the production of the new, with the proviso that the new thing have some merit, to distinguish it from just ordinary production, which might be 100% shit.
When Sinix slips into calling green a creative color... man, we're far from making any sense at all. What's happening? lol!
oh my god I thought the video was a joke 😭😭
I am an artist currently working in graphic design for just over a year now and honestly it helped a lot with those divisions of color. In graphic design we have a bunch of names for inbetween colors. Most of them are unnofficial names and kinda funny (like panty blue or the spotify green) but it really helped format my brain into thinking of them as seperate colors
The title made me low-key offended
Titles shouldnt offend you, theyre titles, on the web.
@@usimortis1940 my last piece was mostly green 💚💔
Maybe for the color between Red and Magenta, that could be Rose? It's kinda iffy cause of red is usually what people associate with roses. Otherwise it would be some heavier form of pink.
The color between Blue and Cyan could be Azure, which could be described as the usual color of the sky. Though, Blue and Azure used to be seen as the same color (diff hues and specifications)
Real graphic designers know how to recognize colors and spit out the exact hex code
Fun fact: in Polish language there was no one name for "blue" in like XVIII century, idk exactly since when it's used. Back then there were just names for different shades.
For hues of green there are maybe less words, but I still use different names (like olive, emerald, turquoise etc.)
finally, someone that thinks the same, i hate green :c
TBH, I don't get the practical problem here. Just because the word "green" covers a wide band on the spectrum doesn't mean you can't utilize that whole range.
I feel like I just woke up to a whole new reality. The ammount of things I just realised, is overwhelming.
Between green and cyan is teal, it already have its own name.
I agree
Kind of interesting that you and I have the same word for "lime" but a different word for "mint" when I see "mint" I call it teal in my brain. The one between Cyan and Blue I read as "Sky" and the one between Magenta and Red I read as "Rose".
sky and rose were also my first thoughts!
[Don't hug me I'm scared flashback intensifies]
sinix uploading 4 times a month will probably be the best thing this year
I think this kind of made me understand as to why my language uses both words "green" and "blue" to describe what would typically be considered green
Faline San and the notebook from DHMIS are having a field day with this video
I find it interesting to see how hues are given more emphasis in text produced in intellectual cultures, like literature (eg poetry and novels) and sometimes analytical non-fiction about the art (eg art analysis, commentary and criticisms, writings about art history, etc).