Pre-Realism & Post-Realism in Art
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- A quick discussion on the concept of postrealism in the art world. This is definitely more for intermediate artists, but maybe everyone can enjoy it.
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sinix is like our unofficial art teacher and he's one of those cool ass teachers at that
and always says stuff that might get them in trouble lol
He's the guy in the fake ads that knows the secret and other artists hate him for it
Ass teaching is a different video.
Doing a better job of teaching me anatomy than my life drawing professor 💀
Off topic, but you're always my first recommendation for artists that ask me how to get to an intermediate level with art.
Whoa thanks for the mention!!! I'm honored 🙌
Lol you deserve it 👏🏻
Mentioning your art was completely consequential at this point. When he started to talk about exaggerating illumination your work already came to my mind (the one with the girl on the train from your video about mood and atmosphere, to be precise).
So keep up the great work!
For sure. It's awesome to see how fast you've been leveling up in the past years, looking forward to seeing where you'll go.
my 2 favorite art youtubers combined in 1 video lol. collab?
LoL indeed in the beggining of the video I thought as Sam as a gret example of post realism and boom! There you are!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
wake up babe sinix posted ‼️
your pfp makes your comment so much funnier 😂
Hee hee hoo hoo
This makes me feel less bad about my kindergarten paintings
you mean: your early pre-realistic works depicting iconography of the everyday using crayon and graphite?
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@@carpiioo.806 **snaps snaps snaps snaps**
Stylized art combined with post-realism methods are definitely my goal for art. Like what Sam does. It just adds so much charm to your art and makes it all look brilliant!
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This is why animation and animated movies often feel more real than reality, why the stories and sets and colors and action feels more real. It enhances reality, gets rid of the confusing bits and brings out beautiful color and movement and lightning. Anyway, I love animation. Great explanation! (Here I am not even at the realism level as a amateur artist and now I realize there's a whole different level to get to haha. oh no)
Brings to mind that movie "Soul" :)
When you said “ oh no”, I felt that...
Dude I love seeing your face! Feels like I’m in your classroom, which is great
You’ve been teaching me art + enthusiasm for art since I was a kid! Your videos are so helpful and inspiring.
I wound up getting a concept art job because of you! It wasn’t for me, but I’d never have learned that without these videos!
Thanks Sinix!
i hope you fly my dude
The day i find his channel is also one of the apparently rare days he post
same
+1+1
If i could describe Sinix.. He is an art-explorer-scientist-dude..
He is a god
The image of the hyperrealistic Morgan Freeman will haunt us forever...
How much more realism do we need? We got realism, pre-realism, post-realism, hyper-realism, meta-realism, surrealism. Probably others I can't think of the top of my head
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I thought that this video was going to be about pre-realism and post-realism in terms of art history and the realism movement. Thank you for breaking down how people naturally evolve when creating art from life, going from stiff and boring, to realistic and lifelike, to exaggerated and dynamic. I think people would appreciate a class from you on the difference between drawing from life and drawing from photo and their unique advantages and disadvantages.
was expecting more "pause here to draw your example" than just the skull. would have been a good example gauge for all of us to see where we lie. i say come back to this!!!
So, the first step is gaining full understanding of reality. 🤔
But really, sometimes watching your videos I feel like there's people exploring different planets out there and I'm just starting to get out of bed.
Okay but what brushes did you use to draw your skull?
JK, love the content, Sinix.
is it just me or does he really look like the real life version of the characters he draws
Yes!! Finally someone putting an explanation to what I felt during my 4 years as an art major. everyone in my classes did art that would be very very strongly described as “prerealism” and no effort was given on the part of the professors to change that, so everyone would just keep trying to develop some unique art style they felt like they needed to have and make all their pairings have some deep meaning but nobody undersold even basic principes of how light works and anatomy and how colors interact properly in the real world to be able to then begin to enhance them into their own style, it’s like they were just trying to skip to the last step straight from a pre realistic and very basic knowledge and it was so angering bc nobody was actually improving. And if you wanted to point out any objous things that would help their art move into the realism stage, you’d be criticized bc you’re just “bashing their art style” ughh waste of money lol
14:18 that little jab against the man who let me draw a billion cubes was kind of liberating not gonna lie :D
these interactive stuff are so fun. i actually did go grab a pen to draw
Same, it was fun!
Great video Sinix!
I feel like what you laid out here fills in a lot of the missing pieces for the typical realism vs style/cartoony/anime discussions we see online. More experienced artists will often say "you need to learn the rules before you can break them", which is of course correct, but only saying that doesn't demonstrate why that matters, or even why "breaking the rules" would be something we'd want to strive for. It can make it sound like you have to earn the right to draw with a style or something, and for beginner and intermediate artists that can be super confusion.
As artists we often get trained in a manner that makes us subconsciously think that not drawing as realistic as we can is somehow wrong. Or that breaking the rules is wrong. Even in the super cartoony art by some comics and animation veterans, you can clearly see qualities of post-realism at work. In this view, it's less that realism is something artists should strive for, for realisms own sake, and more like realism teaches you the vocabulary and grammar you need to learn before you can start to comfortably express yourself in drawings.
Just wanted to leave a reply saying thank you for your comment. I've been thinking into the "you need to know the rules before you break them," for a while now. I've understood this on just a surface level. But the vocab analogy you used makes so much sense! It helped a lot of things click in my head. So, just a quick thank you!
@@snowshower4415 Hey no problem, glad you found my thoughts here helpful! Studying and learning how to get better takes time, and it's a lot of work. I think it's important to have fun with it, and have a clear view of how it isn't just work and study for the sake of work and study, you can use those skills to have fun, develop your own artistic voice, and put something into the world you can be proud of.
I really feel blessed that I live in an era when I can find amazing content like this in such an affordable way. Bless you Sinix for contributing so amazingly for the growth of a whole generation of artists and aspirin artists. This also applies to a lot of other amazing people on this platform.
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Learn the rules before you break the rules?
imo, hyper realism was probably neat when there was no other way of putting reality onto paper but in a world of digital cameras that can create very detailed and color accurate photographs, hyper realism just seems like an artist’s way of wanting to be a discount camera
To me, photorealism is the pursuit of being accurate to photos, whilst hyperrealism is wishing to make something look more real than photography can. Anyways, both can have value because they are methods of expression - the very fact that they no longer have a practical purpose is what can make them expressive, as it is a choice by the artist to subvert expectations.
There's an actual movement called Hyperrealism, what you're talking about is Photorealism
@Ivan Matveyev I did read Dots comment, maybe you should look up Photorealism and Hyperrealism instead?
@@june29378 yeah. My perspective on art, in general, is that as long as the creator believes it to be art then it is. Doesn't matter how pretentious or shallow I think it is - I can call something art without necessarily liking it.
And in defense of naturalism/photorealism, it can depict things which a camera can't (and for that matter, photography is a type of art itself) - e.g, visualisations of cosmic phenomena, fantasy creatures, or sci-fi environments. Going stylised with all of those is also completely valid though, and depends on the effect desired.
@@june29378 grid artist detected 🤣🤣
Very informative, thank you. I understand now why professional level artists have that certain feel to their work, they go beyond what is imaginable, they go PLUS ULTRA.
Ok but i'm really enjoying this new format!!! Even though I obviously super love the ones where you draw, this one where you talk and there are pictures on the screen feels like we're in a one-sided video call while I'm having breakfast!
Just to add or fend off confusion; there was also an 19th century art movement called Realism, but they were concerned with realistic subjects, not necessarily realistic styles. Keep it up!
i've been troubled by my own paintings not being "artistic" for a long time and this video answered a lot of my questions thank you so much! i'm just wondering if there's a way to train my eyes to see the parts for exaggeration and omission, and my brain and hands to execute?
I've found that value massing is a great way to start with exaggerating appeal. Like he mentions, making shadows into bigger shapes (massing the values together aka "value massing") will open up opportunities for shape design with those elements. Same with the brightest highlight areas, try making them into big shapes and carefully design their form, plus play with sharp and blurry edges for them.
The is like a more succinct version of Sycra's "right side of wrong" theory. I like how you each have your own way of explaining this idea.
I aim for slightly stylized face features and for some reason I feel like if I don’t know how to create good complete realistic features my art won’t be valuable.
Knowing realism helps slytilse things in more subtle and interesting ways, so I wouldn't look at it like two seperate things
@@auqifx i agree. But is it a requirement though? I doubt every famous artist with a recognizable style out there knows how to do proper realism
@@sichibukailaw6418 I think a good way is to study realism every now and then. I aim for a more stylized art style too, anything between semi-realism and even cartoon style. I don't have too much fun drawing realistically so I do it every now and then to improve my style and knowledge! That way you can get better without getting overwhelmed or bored :)
It's also the same the other way around: When people aim for realism it's good to practice more cartoony things too because that's how you can learn more about dynamic drawings and shapes!
Also, people with a certain art style (and, for example, with many followers on social media) tend not to share practice drawings that are not their style or drawings they weren't comfortable with, so it can seem like they always draw the same style.
@@ChocolateShaddixX i do agree that every now and then is good to practice your realism, but the problem that I have is that if you are not able to draw realism it feels like you don’t really know what you are doing. For example someone who draws in a anime style and is pretty famous but his realism work is bad. Would the bad realism take away your stylized drawings? I think it shouldn’t be like that but often people say that to stylize things you need to know how it works first.
@@sichibukailaw6418 At some point you can tell that art you used to find super impressive has many technical flaws that you can't ignore - you see this thanks to studying realism.
For example, if you try to stylise and add a super thin neck to a head like they do in anime, if you don't understand realism you'll place the head in a way that makes no sense - could be inserted in the wrong place, a little too big of a head for the thin neck to support, etc. You'll look at it and think somethings wrong but you can't put your finger on it. You may spend hours trying to fix it not knowing how the neck actually works.
Another example, if you want to tilt someone's head, from realism you can understand the range of motion for the head (how far you can stretch your muscles in different tilts) - so, when you draw heads tilted so that they look behind them, you'll see some artists turn the head so much in a way that is not possible in real life. You can spot the lack of knowledge of how much the head can actually tilt, and then it looks frightening to look at! So I think realism has its place in stylizing, but maybe my explanation was looking too far into the anatomy side. I hope it makes sense though
This video remided me of a video Sycra made a while back. He tackled a pretty similar topic too in his video "the right side of wrong".
I guess great minds really do think alike!
I think a great example of hyperrealism that isn't boring is Jono Dry. His subjects are very lifelike, but he adds surrealism to his work, and a level of honestly to it that speaks to the soul (irregular hairs, freckles, divots etc). As a realism/hyperrealism artist, I find a lot of value in the style, as long as it has a bit of soul in it.
Maybe you wont read my comment and my comment might actually sound really stupid. If a person completely new to art, like a newborn to world. What should that person study first ? What should that person focus on ?
I love your videos but I always get excited and scared at the same time because I realize I have a lot to learn!
same! it’s always a little daunting to click on a sinix video...
“Does your skull drawing look like this?” Me staring at the inhuman abomination I just brought into this world
One of my favorite artist in thus post realism scene has to be Marco Bucci right along with you Sinix in the 1st place lol
There are so many legendary artists i cannot even list a top 10. But i would say Slawek Fedorczuk has insanely lovely post realistic colours in his landscapes. Vyacheslav Safronov has brilliant value control and I can go on and on
Taras Srusak, Ismail Inceoglu, Skadivore, Taran Fiddler, and many many more
Art like Joseph Zbukvic's has always been so surreal to me. I always wanted to be able to create that kind of art that just blurs the line of realistic and dream like. So inspiring
"What I would like you to do is draw a skull-"
Me, who is in the undertale fandom: It's my time to shine
Im so happy i found this video.
I feel like im too noob to be watching this video so ill still watch it, rewatch it and keep rewatching it throughout my art journey. Thankyou Sinix your videos have taught me a lot the past 3 years
Make more detailed and with more examples of everything you did here.
I'm a forever beginner and enjoy this content even not being able to catch up.
Sinix What kind of brush that you use to make a smooth and realistic face.?
What a lovely discussion, the concept of post-realism present in this video is for sure extremely beneficial. Very good stuff, thank you for this video!
You have one of the best explorations of art history and contemporary art i see. It's really a gem. I would love to take classes in a school with you. Sadly I can't :P
No true human is pure white or black
*they can be orange and yellow though with enough vegetables and jaundice*
Im not a fan of hyperrealism either. stylized realism is more for me i think
Could you go into more detail on your stance on hyperrealism? It seems like a very lofty goal to strive for and one that requires a tremendous amount of effort and patience - two things most artists value greatly. I've seen people dismiss it entirely just because cameras exist but this argument falls apart as soon as you realize that for every one thing that you could photograph, there must be at least a thousand things you could never photograph, either because they are impossible, nonexistent or just very unlikely to happen. And art is not just a finished product, it is also a process of creating - a process that artists must (learn to) love. If they do, then why do you care where that process takes them? I mean no disrepect and I hope it reads that way. I'm not interested in starting a big discussion over this, I'm just sharing my thoughts on this and I hope you'll reciprocate.
The process may be important, but that’s not a reason to dismiss its result.
this put into words a lot of the difference between the appearance of fine art and pure photorealism for me. what kind of differences between the elements fine artists of different time periods exaggerate are there though? I feel like you can go in plenty of different directions with stylization but "postrealism" seems more like a one or the other thing
I always loved how some anime backgrounds can look more realistic than real life. This sums it up very well, thank you
nice video... and another proof that digital painters are the better artists 👌
Booo!👎
oil, watercolor, digital... they are just different mediums. Fundamentals to follow and the passion to create art doesn't change by medium
@@vishwanathravi7196 It's a joke, alpay's channel is a tradi medium XD
@@lostfruit2437 lmao 🤣 thanks I wasn't upset or anything ... anyway
@@vishwanathravi7196 I see! Glad to know youtube comment can be civil 😆Hope you a great day dude
These videos are so eye-opening. Technical stuff are important but videos like this and the one about how we percieve colors are the topics that drastically changed my way of thinking about art. Really excited to hear more art thoughts like this!
Brilliant video as always, Sinix
For someone who is striving to do the first step into realism, to get into post-realism latter, what would be the steps or fundamentals you'd suggest for someone to learn in order to have a basic understanding of reality? Is there an order to learn stuff, or you just go doing things until you feel like you've learned it?
After watching his streams, it's weird to hear him speaking so clearly and without radio music.
you’ve helped me so much and this gave me and my art style a lot of confidence and wisdom
Congratulations on 600k!
I don't like hyper realism as an art genre. I just don't enjoy it. It looks like the photo..... so congratulations I guess?
I like art that makes me feel, and that represent our dreams, and parts of reality.
I like hyper realism only when it is fanart of a piece of media that is not realistic. For example, reimagining an anime character as a real person.
when i see people use ruler or other mathematical tools for drawings i die a little.
I'd be really interested to hear how this philosophy overlaps with your Design Theory philosophies about studies/copies to assimilate style. Possibly an idea for a future discussion?
This video has probably changed the destiny of my art... Now I know what post realism is and I know what I want to strive for
This is amazing! Awesome Video, I do have a question though! Ive always struggled with point perspectives but when I do life drawings, my fish eye/warped perspectives turn out really well and less "forced". I need to do more environment and perspective study however, should I focus less rigidly with all the grid ect when I do so? My eyes are all funky and I feel I see the world in a wacky perspective that is really hard to translate into those perspective grid practises. Is there other ways to practise perspective?
Thank you for putting a label on and explaining a concept I've been contemplating but wasn't quite sure how to frame it
Great talk! I've been thinking the same, but didn't know how to explain it exactly to other people. Thanks for your videos!
This is just wonderful. Finally a way to pinpoint what I want to aim for with my art!
jokes on you sinix, i've been practicing skull anatomy thanks to you, i was prepared muahaha!
every single video i watch from you ... its just pure GOLD ... .
#canceledsinix
I have to disagree with that Scott's comment. He does paint outside that rigid aesthetic some times, but most importantly, Scott's work is all about design and not art at all. He uses art as a tool to present his ideas in the best and most comprehensive way possible, like an industrial designer does. This is just my interpretation of his work, i could be wrong lol
youre so cute and your voice is so calming
Fico até envergonhada de ver o quanto o Sinix tem conhecimento, com certeza é o que mais me ajudou em todos esses anos ❤️
I love this kind of videos! You explain reaaaaally well the conceptual stuff about art, putting away the "how to do the lines" but more about make your brain work hahaha Thank you for the educational stuff!!
Edit: Keep it on dude!
Love this! Thank you for sharing your knowledge :) It's very insightful hearing someone articulate this so well!
I never knew Post-Realism was the name of what I was aiming for! But that's DEFINITELY it! I come from a cartooning and drawing space, but Post-Realism sensibilities are what appeals to me and where I wanna keep pushing it, even if I'm more of a cartoonist at heart, interesting!! Thanks for the Video!
This video was super interesting and informational! I never knew those definitions could be applied to this sort of thing! Thank you!
the king has posted !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This was a great video, you honestly have some of the most useful videos on RUclips for someone who is more of an already professional artist. You don’t mince words or purposefully dumb down concepts. And you always ask us to strive for the more difficult and never ending goals that make art transcendent, rather than languish in comfort or minutiae or in this case “perfect realistic representation”. Have watched you for years and I just wanted to thank you, truly.
Wow, blaming "white people", who do you think you are, Ethan Becker? Haha, jk, you actually give good art advice.
I’m a portrait artist, black and white however,, Realistic Color’s are my nemesis! Imgetting there though, thanks to you
is it just me or do so many risd, pratt, parsons applicants, scholastic award winners, etc..are past PRE realism but FAR from POST realism? Im a young hs student + noticed so many of those successful student artworks just lack something. Its so competitive out there, and yet every winner artwork feels the same. realistic, meticulously detailed, maybe political or tragic and.. flat. I guess you get post realism with age and experience beyond art school and competitions? what do you guys think
Santa Barbara captured perfectly. His shadow work is amazing! Great lesson.
thank god ive drawn a lot of skulls using reference before haha. i really like this "essay", youve really put some of my thoughts on art into words. i almost feel like realism is essentially studying every detail and rule of what a person can see.. If they focus and deconstruct the viewed image. but post realism is more like learning how to capture what humans Actually perceive including the mood/feeling, movement, etc (?? hope that made sense lol)
How you did this ? Every damn time ! You create a vide about that thing i am thinking/struggling/analyzing right now... Black magic or just Sinix meta force :D?
Sinix (or anyone) I'm trying to find the video where you talk about shape design, big/medium/small and you make a version of an Ahmed Aldoori's piece, but I can't find it!
You: So, with your attempt to draw a skull. Did you make *these* mistakes?
Me, suddenly covering my tablet with my hand: No-
You can map this concept pretty much onto every other topic. I try to keep in mind, that my concept of, lets say economics may have the same quality as the pre-realism landscape painting. So instead of beating someone to a pulp (verbally or otherwise) who brings a different set of proposals and arguments to the table, I try to understand where they are coming from. Otherwise I may be the one arguing that „trees are green and have brown trunks, obviously“. The suffering potentially brought into the world by losing sight of this concept in current circumstances is much worse than a bad painting. Just struck me hard while watching the video, so I though I‘d share that. Have a wonderful day, everyone.
each of us lives dependent and bound by our individual knowledge and our awareness, all that is what we call ''reality'' ,however both knowledge and awareness are equivocal .One's reality might be another's illosion, we all live inside our own fantasies don't you think thats true ? ''
~Itachi Uchiha to his younger brother saske uchiha (Naruto)
Is this a Robin Sealark call out? LOL. Only asking because of the multiple Morgan Freeman overlays.
Thanks again, you’ve been a real mentor to me and helped me grow as an artist
Ps. Thanks, did I say that already?
Lmao the dig at Scott was funny, but for everyone not in the know, Scott Robertson is also an industrial designer. That’s why he draws a million grids and has realistic perspective. I was wondering where Sinix was going with post realism perspective, but when he brought up master Kim, then I understood and agree lol
da heckkkkk! Here I am, sketching skulls and watching sinix in the background, first thing he tells me to do I'm already doing 😂😂
Thanks again Sinix! This is very relevant to what im trying to teach myself atm so this served as a nice reinforcement c:
"you know what makes people generally bad at painting characters early on?....the answer is white people." heavy agree.
All about this video is very insightful but why do you call it "post " and "pre" realism ? There are already 2 movements named like that that are immnesly different to what you're explaining here
Post realism to me is more real than photoreal. If you glance across a city street, what do you really see? Hyper detailed cars and people and buildings or a somewhat blurry impression with lost edges like the example from Joseph Zbukvic?
I wonder how long you need to master realism, or at least how MUCH you have to master. I totally struggle with that in my paintings which makes me hate everythign I do. xD As long as I don't master realism I'm just not worth anythign as an artist...
As always an amazing, enjoyable and informative video!
congrats on 600k, Sinix! Your stuff has helped me out so much.
I don't really want realism, realism looks really boring to me. Like if i wanted a realistic depiction of something, i'd take a photo of it. I want to draw fantastical things such as elves, vampires, dragons, witches and magic. But with that i would like a sense of realism, it doesn't have to be anatomical or colors, my main focus is just getting realistic lighting down. And that's where my art direction is headed so i guess that's nice.
15 years of youtube and still a Blue Yeti....Sinix... isn't it time to upgrade to an actual mic?
i do find hyper realistic boring too, like when we first studying about realism is only recreate of a picture of photography... but dont get me wrong, that is one of a good way to learn.. but if we keep recreate of a picture from photography then no mater what we do we will never be exceeded a picture from photography... i'm way more enjoying studying with only take the pose of a real picture than a whole things. because the more you use your imajinary the more u will gain a visual library, thank anyway for the video sinix u are soooo damn awesome!!