Thanks for checking it out man, I hope everyone goes to check out your video as well, as you covered some very useful information for potential buyers.
I saw Kai's video the other day and am also disappointed that Toyota did not add a front locker or long-travel suspension. Maybe that stuff is lost on 99% of Toyota owners which is why Toyota opts for innovations that sound good for the marketing dept. (i.e., suspension seats)? So far, no manufacturer has been able to offer something that pulls me away from my '04 4Runner with the 4.7L v8. Maybe something in the next 4 years? lol
I'm more on the disappointed side. Access cab and 6 ft bef was perfect size. Anything less than a 6foot bed on a truck isn't any good for me. The new 6 foot options are just to much length. Not a fan of all the electronics for something that gets used back country. Extra cost for features I'd never use. Gone are the days of get a Taco the way you want it, no lettuce extra beans qnd onion. There's just something better about less tech oriented vehicles. My FJ is that way, it's like "this is what im capable of, it's up to you to get me to do it." I'll honestly probably look harder at one of the 4 runners out now before they update.
Agreed........6ft Access Cab is what i have.........and longer will not fit in the garage as it is now........and you can keep all you fancy electronics........not neede......jmo.
Every off road trip I do is with two people. I don't have kids, and friends bring their own vehicles. My dream Tacoma would be a Trailhunter Access cab. It would give me a 6' bed with a shorter vehicle that has a better break over clearance.
I love my access cab, would buy the two door if it was a 4x4. Need 4wd where I am. But don’t want something the size of a short bed 150, and feel anything shorter than 6’ bed is useless.
Great video man, shows that putting a vehicle together is not as easy as we think, considering aftermarket mods, safety requirements, emission requirements etc.
As an engineer I can tell you from 20+ years of experience 90% of the time a engineer is smarter than engineers. However, engineers are faster than a engineer. Engineering isn't a religion, it does not require you to take "it" on faith. Great content and it is awesome that referenced Tinker!
Probably the best evaluation I’ve listened to yet. Great job! Excited to seeing the truck finally come out, but I will not trade my 2nd gen for it… just possibly add to the fleet.
Personally, I hope that 6’ box gets offered on TRD PRO instead of the Trailhunter. I don’t need a snorkel or headache rack on the back. I just need to be able to haul my atv once and awhile and the PRO is a better platform for me
I have been driving Toyota Trucks before I even got my drivers license Age 15 in South America, land of the Land Cruisers. Moved to Canada 30 years ago, currently I own a 2016 Tacoma TRD off road access cab manual transmission. I use my truck for work and play and everything in between. I just get a chuckle everytime I see manufactures, now Toyota included trying to up their products ahead of the competition by offering unnecessary features for people that rarely if ever are going to go off the pavement and those that will, are modifying the crap out of it on an already overpriced vehicle. I remember doing remote traveling on a stock vehicle (open differentials) with a good set of off road tires and a winch that was it. And I had fun every single time. My point here is, ultimately what makes a vehicle capable is the driver. Off roading has become more of a trend than an activity where you can develop great skills only with the basics. For now I will be keeping current Tacoma.
Most are just made by fan boys who want to stay in Toyota's good graces to get free junkets to reveals, and web hits from other fan boys. It's hard to find an objective analysis.
Good stuff Tyler. I still think I made a good choice by buying a 2023 Tacoma. The 3” “wider” on the 2024 TRD Pro sounded so good until I found out its due to wheel offset. Whomever is responsible for that at Toyota should be fired.
After 35 years being around trucks, and SUV's as well as the guys and gals who drive them I can tell you that I've rarely met someone who needed as much capability as they wanted or thought they needed. The new Tacoma will be just fine doing all the same things as the last generation Tacoma did. Toyota doesn't have to do anything the other brands are doing because no matter what Toyota guys will buy the Tacoma no questions asked and they will never come close to taxing it's capability. They don't realize that the base model SR5 4x4 would do the same thing in their cases as the TRD Pro or the new Trailhunter. But people love the idea of capability and they love appearances and perceptions which is what sells these things in the numbers they sell. Because there aren't 200,000 plus thousand people a year buying Tacoma's to actually go off roading with. The power plants are derivative of those that already exist in other Toyota and Lexus products. The issues with the Tundra were because it was a brand new design. Never buy the first year of a truly new design whether Toyota makes it or not. The boxed frame will not allow as much rear flex as the old rear C-channel frame did so adding suspension travel would have been nice to make up for that difference. Does the Tacoma or any mid size truck really need more than 7.5" of actual travel (8" is stated but not attainable under normal conditions)? Nope. And, again, even if the Ranger Raptor and ZR2 Colorado prove to be more capable at the extremes than the Tacoma how many people are going to push any of them far enough where this matters? And how many are going to switch brands based on this tiny bit of extra capability at an extreme most will never see? Not many, if any, and Toyota knows this. On the other hand, for equal money, Toyota should have matched the articulation of it's rivals for the top model. After all, a suspended seat is great for your backside but does nothing for keeping tires in contact with the trail. Where Ford may make up some ground, if they do, is due to the Ranger's extra real world utility. It can now carry 4x material between the wheel wells and while there is some discrepancy as to whether rear leg room has increased, overall hip and shoulder room has ever so slightly. Depending on which source you use (even Ford's own spec's) the new Ranger is listed as having 34.5" of rear leg room which is the same as the current model all the way up to 38.5". Both of which are better than the Tacoma anyway. People like looks, convenience and comfort so if they aren't die hard Toyota fans the extra room and utility might just sway them to Ford. But it's doubtful that anyone is switching sides for a front locker they will never use or an extra 1.5" of wheel travel they also will never use and don't know is missing anyway. Truck guys are rarely well versed in actual truck things that make real world differences in performance. Most I've met/known don't even know what payload capacity actually means. I know on a channel such as this there will be a percentage of guys who know what is missing but they will still be unlikely to actually need it. Toyota did what it needed to do to maintain their sales leader position and that is priority one. When we are involved in any specialized hobby we have to understand that no matter how visible we are we are still a tiny fraction of the buying public and what suits the majority comes first. And, seriously, darn near every dude out there thinks they know better than the engineers so they are going to modify these things, get less performance for doing so and then tell their friends how dumb Toyota engineers are.
You summed up my sentiment perfectly. I’ve always appreciated Toyotas approach to appear “late to the game” when it comes to adopting new technology. It’s not that they aren’t as capable as other auto makers. It’s that they want new technology to be proven before they send it out the door. I remember not wanting power windows because they often broke. Lol. I have 290k miles on a 2013 Tacoma. Never an issue. I trust Toyota to make the right decisions most of the time. No one can be perfect, but they seem to get it correct more often than others. I hope this new generation of Tacoma proves itself over time as well.
You got yourself a subscriber! Most of the big channels can’t even tell the difference between a MT and AT, or ask where the extra width of the TRD Pro comes from. I understand it’s difficult to do so many vehicles and know the small details, but most car guys do. Important stuff for tech/gear nerds like me.
Most anyone that is involved with off roaring knows the questions to ask, but they follow the line Toyota tells them to, so they don't reveal the "bad" or dump/cheap things (tflt def sellouts).
Merch Shop: www.independenceoverland.com/shop New info or corrections. The Hybrid battery is 288 volts. Bed lengths on TRD Off Road unknown Bed rack is said to be optional 🤞
Valid concern about the electronic e-brake. Another disappointment is the key fob for manual transmission vehicles. I am not a fan of key fobs and its refreshing that 3rd Gen 6MT models have the twist key still.
You can thank american autobloggers that have no business reviewing a truck for that. The ones who ask for more technology and comfort features like a mattress or massage chair and a full size retractable moonroof and a bigger mirror to do make up..the people that drink soy milk... you get the picture.
Finally someone directs the potential problems with the Electronic E Brake. You are the first person I have saw anywhere bring it up. I agree with your question about the loss of power. Even more so what happens when someone is hunting/camping in very cold temps and it freezes up over night? I just don't like the idea at all on a supposed "Off Road Vehicle" or something I plan on somewhat beating up on trails. I feel better manually controlling something that important.
The crew cab with a 6' need will be around 225" overall length. It fits in my garage. Don't care about the wheelbase. Can't wait to buy one (as long as there is more legroom)!
I’ll take a 4 cylinder GTDI over a Naturally Aspirated V6 any day. The torque curve is far superior and the wife has an NX200t that has well over 100k miles and it is flawless. Toyotas D4-S solved all the issues traditionally associated with GTDI.
Yes I agree 💯% I personally hate hate 4x4 select knob . Had huge problems with it not engaging and dissingaging. I wanted the option for manual shift lever
Great info! Random comparison, my 2001 Chevy suburban has a 130 inch wheelbase. For some reason it’s just interesting to me that the Tacomas and Gladiators have a longer wheel base than a vehicle that is nicknamed the “land yacht”
Great video! Have you heard anything about stock gearing? I know that's a huge issue for many 3rd Gen owners... me included. Going 75mph on a flat freeway I'm still not in 6th gear. Or are they relying on the new transmission to fix this by itself?
Not totally sure, I will be at the next Expo and plan to ask more questions and I’m sure they will be happy to answer more in depth as time goes on. I know they said you can pull an 8% grade without downshifting, but that’s pretty vague. I will definitely ask those questions sir, thank you taking the time to watch Jason!
Increasing the wheelbase doesn’t make the truck bigger. The engineers said that from bumper to bumper, comparable models are exactly the same length as the previous generation. These aren’t “huge” trucks. Also, high volts don’t kill you, high amps do.
V=IR. You are the R and it is a fixed number. Higher voltage means higher current through your body. Not to mention batteries are DC so a little more dangerous than AC.
Excellent info 👍. I have a paid for 2018 TRD off-road 6 ft bed and I'm really trying to decide whether I want to upgrade or not? I think I'm going to wait at least a year see how the first year of the 4th does. I would think that the engineers would have thought about water forwarding depth and sealed the hybrid system and battery and everything for going through water but who knows? The Rivian R1T is fully electric and it has a very deep water forwarding from the factory so I'm sure they have everything well sealed. Right now I still have way too many questions to go out and buy one and get on a list that's for sure. Have you heard any fuel economy numbers for any of the models? Hybrid and four-cylinder turbo? Thank you 👍
I’d keep your 3rd gen for another year or two, wait and see what issues pop up in the gen 4. Tacomas hold their value so well you won’t be losing out on much trade in value if you hold off. Never good to buy the first year of a new generation vehicle. Let them work out the bugs.
If I was going to spend the money for the trail hunter, I actually like those bed rack panels. You could mount small things on the inside of them with some clamps or some fuel or water or a small ax on the outside. While I don't think they're totally necessary, I think they have a use and I personally think they look cool, on this truck specifically.
So the TRD Off-road is gonna have the option of a 6ft bed like the Trailhunter? If that’s the case I am so getting the Off-road one and building it out!
Please make a 2 door Cab & a half. Would be nice. I’m not talking a crew anywhere. Sounds like Toyota is going to do well again. I will be looking at these
first on the waitlist at a colorado msrp dealership. have a 2020 trd pro 4runner but plan on putting a GFC camper or ARB/toyota version on the taco for a lot more cargo room travelling while being able to fit into parking garages.
I think the only reason to have an automatic tailgate is if your hands are full and you dont want to drop the stuff, open the tailgate, pick the stuff back up and load it into the bed. But it won't really matter for me because I'll probably remove the tailgate for the alu cab camper, lol
"Most of their customers don't need a front locker." That's why you offer it as an option on the offroad trims. Most of their customers don't need a TRD Pro / Trailhunter trim truck either, but the ones that do really need it. I'm a huge proponent of ATRAC / MTS. They work really well up here in the Colorado Rockies, so well that I pretty much leave them on all the time. Simple obstacles where I lift a tire a little, the ABS engages and no problem. But on a trail like Poughkeepsie Gulch in the San Juans, I need the locker. There's a rock obstacle on Poughkeepsie called the wall. I've tried that obstacle with my FJ / 4Runner 4 times and made it up under my own power just once, in perfect conditions. Double-locked 4-door Rubicons with 8 extra inches of wheelbase go right up it. That's the difference.
My top heavy Fj about rolled back like a turtle on Poughkeepsie 🤣. I’m a person that needs a longer wheelbase I think, but not 144” long. Explore Colorado's Hidden Gem | Poughkeepsie Gulch 4x4 Trail ruclips.net/video/suiT3j5Ic8U/видео.html
@@IndependenceOverland ha, when you were rolling back to the left I have a photo of my buddy's truck doing the exact same thing in the exact same spot. FYI if you're ever out in July, the local trail leaders for FJ Summit are starting another event called Rocky Mountain Toyota RoundUp (Summit's over as of '22). Record snowfall this year so the waterfalls on Imogene and Yankee Boy are gonna be bonkers: ruclips.net/video/YNmE9g4i_hE/видео.html
@@jimmy-buffett Sorry just saw this comment, RUclips flags comments with links so it got buried. I saw you guys were putting together another event, I was out for the Summit in 2018. Perhaps I can make it out next year with the new build. I live here in Carbondale, so it shouldn't be a problem to make it that way. Was there still a whole mini show going on in town as well as trail runs?
I absolutely refused to give up my TRD pro factory rack. I found a cargo box that fit and made it work. Eventually though, i will have to ditch it for a new rack to support a roof top tent.
NIce work, man. The new Taco could have been a home run for me if they increased the suspension travel to around 10 inches and the ability to fit 35 inch tires. With the increased wheel base, no way you can survive any jeep trail in Moab or any jeep trail rated at 3. The offroad trails now have gone bad. 33inch tires won''t cut it anymore. This new truck is going to spend a lot of time hitting the open space wondering where other trucks or the broncos have gone deeper in the wilderness. Don't have a jeep but an F150 and know the importance of high clearance. I'm in the market for a new rig and no way on earth I'll go back to 145 inch wheelbase. Right now, the Bronco holds the first in my list but I hate Ford for various reasons (dealer support is horrible). So, patiently waiting for the others to catch up. Right now, Ford is the driver's car or truck in my opinion unfortunately.
@@gannas138 I would as well go for the regular zr2. The body lift of an inch or 2 would do if you're going for clearance That would be way. cheaper. option and spend the remaining money. on other gear
I think the negatives had to be really sparsed out. None of them were even close to a "beware" type warning like the Bronco's tie rod issue or the software issues in a ZR2. Most peeps buying these trucks are creative enough to overcome the valid issues you mentioned.
If the ebrake is anything like they use on the newer lexus vehicles, it has it's own battery. Still unsure about it in emergency situations, but maybe it's fine.
You’d be surprised by how many people want the extra bells and whistles on their “overlander” rig. Purists not so much but the majority of buyers aren’t dedicated overlanders, more so weekend warriors that love to just get out there. I think from the feedback I’m getting at the dealership level, the public loves the new Tacoma and the volume of orders is insane. Great vid though, thanks!
Very good review of the 2024 Tacoma. As an owner of a 3rd Gen Off-Road w/manual gearbox, these are my thoughts. While there is a lot of good with the 2024 Tacoma (e.g., more headroom, boxed frame, better seating position, bigger brakes, bigger front CVs), there are some things that are not right for me. Those include: 4 cyl turbo motor, goofy lip on the back of the roof, electric e-brake, and the price (could be $50k for a nicely loaded Off-Road). Going to keep my 3rd Gen; too many negatives to justify trading in for a 2024.
@@slowfiveoh4986 Maybe, maybe not. I would like to hear of those who get +200 kMiles trouble free miles out of their 2.4 T. Don't think their are going to be many.
Worried about auto tailgate when you're dealing with mulch/soil in the bed. It gets stuck between the gate the and the bed and you have to sweep it out normally with the gate on some incline. what happens when you try to close the gate with debris in there?
The Trailhunter also comes with steel skid plates all the way from the front bumper to and including the fuel tank. And 465 ft/lbs of torque. So nice. Oh, and The Toyota Care Nut, a Toyota Master Technician, advises to activate your electronic 4X4 a couple of times a month and you won’t have the issue of it not going into 4X4 when needed. I have a 2021 TRD Sport and have never had my electronic select for 4X4 not work and I live in Wyoming where snow and ice is prevalent.
Great vid. I am in a Gladiator and admittedly am a fanboy over it. Not that I don’t recognize some of its issues, but for me it’s the best truck for my needs. But I’m always worried that Jeep will discontinue it and then what will I do at replacement time, and I just love offroad vehs. So I have been watching the new Taco new closely and am pretty stoked so far about the new Taco, especially the Trailhunter model, which fits with my uses much more. Disappointed they didn’t give longer arms up front to make the track wider to give better articulation and instead just chose to change the wheel offset, but wth, most of us will make sus changes anyway. I love the 6 ft bed option for those who want more bed space and are willing to give up some offroad geo to get it. Also kudos on the payload capacity- I’m with you, the US trucks suck (one of the shortcomings of my JTR is its 1268 lb payload). Like that they finally put coils and disc brakes all around. Welcome to 2010 Taco. LOL (I hated both of these things about the old model). And I like those outside bed lights. As someone with an Alucab that has lights like that on the side panels when they open up, I can say they are really helpful when pulling into camp after dark. Having some simple lights to turn on to illuminate the sides of the truck without having to use flashlights, headlamps or set up some kind of light or string lights is really convenient. Game changer? No. But thoughtful and helpful- yeah. And it’s nice to see that from a company. So (mostly) good job Yota. Hope the Trailhunter sticks around. So go buy it Yota fanboys so that it does. Lol. And always remember, it doesn’t matter what we drive, s long as we’re out there. See you on the trails. 🤙
The bed rail camping lights. I would like to see it switch from amber to white as needed. Maybe you don't want a bunch of bugs flying around that way you're working.
Gosh… as always Tyler, magnificent. So many important details covered for those of us that live this lifestyle. So very worth the wait. 🙏🫵🙌 9.5 rear sounds so sweet. But yeah I agree with that payload maxed and that amount of torque even that might not be enough!😬 Sounds like a Dana 60 or Tundra 10.5 swap on the 3rd might be wise if going the full “overlander” route. Those rigid dual color lights are so dope too. Honestly I’m all about the 4cyl turbo/hybrid but a straight 6 turbo would be pretty sweet. Damn, did not know about the electronic e brake either. I just saw that this is becoming a thing in Australia too. 🍻🤙🙏
@@IndependenceOverlandcheck out 2:56 on this. It’s just a hint of what looks like is becoming a “thing” now. I have to do a lot more research on this too as I’m full on intrigued. ruclips.net/video/ctEfU-bUrqs/видео.html
Nice job! Very professionally done! I had been researching the new Tacoma and your video hit my feed. With high quality content like this, I expect your channel will grow quickly, and become big enough for manufacturers to invite you for reviews.👍🏼
Great video.. I am really excited for the Trail Hunter.. but I been more impressed with the Zr2 Colorado plus bison will be revealed 31st in few days..they have increased long travel dssv shocks with are beast imo.. Zr2 usually have longer travel in general what your take on the Two vehicles vs one other.. and have you looked into the Zr2 Colorado? Thanks again great video
I been saying for years and years trucks need pop trunk and self closing tailgates. I didn't know they were gonna do that to the taco. Honestly I might go trade in my 2016 TRD off road for the trail hunter. I also love the bed rack 😂.
I guess I could see an auto open/close tailgate as a nice luxury feature if you have full hands, but could have been reserved for the Limited with no loss for anyone else. Dampened tailgates are very nice though. As for the spoiler, I really hope it's functional for reducing aero noise or something. Because otherwise it's a stupid waste of money that makes the truck less useable - an anti-feature.
I use my TRD offroad as a work truck and everyday use. Deff would use the hands free tailgate, countless times I have to put everything down to open or close it.
The mid generation Tundras were the perfect size pickup for my uses. The small pickups have been a little to small and full size pickups are ungainly large.
These are probably going to be about the same size as those tundras. These new Tacoma’s are slightly larger than 3rd gen and those were pretty roomy inside.
Good points, though every 4x4 is a mixed bag from the factory. However, a long wheelbase is HARD to overcome. A common remark on the Trail: "A 2-door Wrangler on 35's can go anywhere a Gladiator can go on 38's "
The rear rack will be optional on the trail hunter.. they said you can option a longer rack rails for the bed.. also talk to Mark Brenner about the tail lights on his tundra.. ask him if it's a 2 piece cause he changed his out..
with all the thought that went into those isodynamic seats, I'm surprised that they did do anything better with the seat backs for any other models. from what I can tell all you get is a single pocket on the rear of the passenger side. could have brought the molle panels on the backs of the seats, or webbing, or deep cutouts for more legroom, or zippered pouches, something...
Just got my 23 TRD Offroad Access Cab Long bed with the six speed manual last week. At this point I'm not the overlander you and your viewers may be however I'm pretty happy with the truck. I'll look at the new model Taco in seven or eight years.
Basically I was waiting to see this 4th gen to see if I was going to buy a 97 and restore it instead. Thanks to you I'm going to pull the trigger on the 97 and fully restore and upgrade it with the money I was going to buy the 4th gen with. That wheel base is simply a no go for me.
Related to the E Brake, I had an explorer with an electronic one. As long as you had battery power you can pull it to put it on. I am not sure if Toyota will have it attached to the dry cell battery which should make it more reliable in a power loss situation as that should always have some power. This is all speculation and no longer have my explorer so cant really test what Ford has done with this.
For the "wading depth" section, my interest is less on the hybrid components and more on the turbo. You can seal the battery and electrical motor to the same level of everything else under the hood, but I don't want to know what happens to a turbo when cold water hits the turbo housing. I'm excited for this powertrain on paper, it should be a big improvement over the 3.5/4.0 V6's in these trucks on I-70 west of Denver. But on the trails it remains to be seen.
I'm not 100% sold on turbos. I know they make power and help with efficiency. I worry about longevity. I will be in the market for a midsized truck in the next 8-12 months. I've always loved tacomas. But I'm going to have to consider the frontier.
Nice coverage Tyler. One thing of note on the wheelbase. For comparison the Land Cruiser wheelbase forever has been 112 inches. Even the new 300 series LX600 is still only 112. I know, it’s not a pickup so of course it is shorter, but I couldn’t imagine getting a 144 in wheelbase through the trails here in the Ozarks. You know, you’ve been here. I love our 100 series, it drives like a much smaller vehicle than its 5860 lbs would make you think it is due to its tight wheelbase.
Yeah the 144” wheelbase is just insane. You would need at least 37s to make up for it in rocks, in dense forests your just SOL! The Land Cruiser and it’s “golden wheelbase” is definitely the sweet spot!
I'm 6'5 so I'm very happy to hear the seats were lowered to help that and the technology looks modern on the new version unlike 3rd gen. Also the electric Tailgate I like that it was brought from the Tundra. It helps if you have your hands full and you can just tap it with your knee and it'll go up on it's own
Blame CAFE regulations for the increased wheelbase and track of the new Tacoma. Pickup trucks in the north American market have been increasing in size since the mid 2000's because fuel economy for the light duty truck class of vehicle is based on the area of the vehicles footprint. The larger the footprint the easier it is to meet the fuel economy regulations. This is one of the main reasons US auto manufacturer's stopped producing sedans and small pickup trucks like the regular cab short box Tacoma. Toyota's new trail hunter will be hellish driving off road, especially on tight wooded trails. Owners will need to pray that they don't come upon an obstacle that requires them to back track.
Those molle panels are one of the best things they included for us that open or conceal carry firearms, it makes it to where we can easily add a holster to these points.
That’s insane the wheelbase is going to be the same as my crewmax tundra, my current Tacoma has a wheelbase of 109 inches which is the same as the 4Runner
I feel like nobody is pointing out the onboard inverter of 2400 watts at your needs in the bed of the truck . Tacoma really using the hybrid tech . It was super marketed on the f150 Power-boost . That’s a game changer . Tundra needs to take notes as well. The Tacoma I feel like is gonna shine !
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I am an Old Guy 75 years old and the electric tailgate I think are great especially lifting the tail gate.
Very comprehensive and highly relevant to the overland community! Learned a few new things I didn't saw elsewhere
Thanks for checking it out man, I hope everyone goes to check out your video as well, as you covered some very useful information for potential buyers.
I saw Kai's video the other day and am also disappointed that Toyota did not add a front locker or long-travel suspension. Maybe that stuff is lost on 99% of Toyota owners which is why Toyota opts for innovations that sound good for the marketing dept. (i.e., suspension seats)? So far, no manufacturer has been able to offer something that pulls me away from my '04 4Runner with the 4.7L v8. Maybe something in the next 4 years? lol
Came here to shout TA out.
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Where else have you sawed things? Inqeering mynds nead two no.
I'm more on the disappointed side. Access cab and 6 ft bef was perfect size. Anything less than a 6foot bed on a truck isn't any good for me. The new 6 foot options are just to much length.
Not a fan of all the electronics for something that gets used back country.
Extra cost for features I'd never use.
Gone are the days of get a Taco the way you want it, no lettuce extra beans qnd onion.
There's just something better about less tech oriented vehicles. My FJ is that way, it's like "this is what im capable of, it's up to you to get me to do it."
I'll honestly probably look harder at one of the 4 runners out now before they update.
Bingo! Trailhunter Access Cab would be perfect for me.
Tacoma hasn’t had beans lettuce and onions since it’s inception. lol. Probably less then 5% of Tacoma owners actually overland their trucks.
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Agreed........6ft Access Cab is what i have.........and longer will not fit in the garage as it is now........and you can keep all you fancy electronics........not neede......jmo.
Every off road trip I do is with two people. I don't have kids, and friends bring their own vehicles. My dream Tacoma would be a Trailhunter Access cab. It would give me a 6' bed with a shorter vehicle that has a better break over clearance.
My dream is a Trailhunter Access Cab with a stick and a non-hybrid motor.
Sounds good. My 13 std cab, 6ft bed and stick is terrific off road. Unfortunately they did away with it
I love my access cab, would buy the two door if it was a 4x4. Need 4wd where I am. But don’t want something the size of a short bed 150, and feel anything shorter than 6’ bed is useless.
What they didn't mention was the 70k price 😅
Ppl were already paying 65k pre inflation for a pro
@@gooffy89 My dealer has a pro for 67,600 after dealer adjustment.
@@fredwilliams8898 Man, I just walked onto a lot 9 months later and found a pro for $3,000 UNDER MSRP.
@@fredwilliams8898 Dealer Adjustment ? Upward?? LOL
We use our trucks to go deep into NV where we don’t see anyone for days… all this electronics is scary
Yeah - I’m sticking with my 4Runner until they pry it from my cold, dead fingers!
Imagine having a new GM truck where you can’t even control your headlights if the infotainment screen fails. 😳
@@NorthPaddle there's already a TSB for screen failures. Something about low voltage to the screen.
That why I'll stick with my frontier.
Let’s not forget the outrageous price, im serious considering building a first generation bronco with better parts.
Great video man, shows that putting a vehicle together is not as easy as we think, considering aftermarket mods, safety requirements, emission requirements etc.
As an engineer I can tell you from 20+ years of experience 90% of the time a engineer is smarter than engineers. However, engineers are faster than a engineer. Engineering isn't a religion, it does not require you to take "it" on faith. Great content and it is awesome that referenced Tinker!
Kai is the man!
Probably the best evaluation I’ve listened to yet. Great job!
Excited to seeing the truck finally come out, but I will not trade my 2nd gen for it… just possibly add to the fleet.
Personally, I hope that 6’ box gets offered on TRD PRO instead of the Trailhunter. I don’t need a snorkel or headache rack on the back. I just need to be able to haul my atv once and awhile and the PRO is a better platform for me
I'm with you. I don't give a hoot about a motorized tailgate. It's just an added cost for something useless. Same goes for the bedrack.
That white is off the hook. Damn, what a sweet truck this is gonna be.
I have a 2017 turbo with electric Ebrake. 0 issues with the engine or Ebrake so far. It’s been very reliable
I have been driving Toyota Trucks before I even got my drivers license Age 15 in South America, land of the Land Cruisers. Moved to Canada 30 years ago, currently I own a 2016 Tacoma TRD off road access cab manual transmission. I use my truck for work and play and everything in between.
I just get a chuckle everytime I see manufactures, now Toyota included trying to up their products ahead of the competition by offering unnecessary features for people that rarely if ever are going to go off the pavement and those that will, are modifying the crap out of it on an already overpriced vehicle.
I remember doing remote traveling on a stock vehicle (open differentials) with a good set of off road tires and a winch that was it. And I had fun every single time. My point here is, ultimately what makes a vehicle capable is the driver.
Off roading has become more of a trend than an activity where you can develop great skills only with the basics. For now I will be keeping current Tacoma.
Agree with you on too many electrics stuff in these new vehicles
Then don’t buy new vehicles. Buy the older stuff. Or maybe just keep your older cars and stop buying new tech filled cars.
This has been the best video on youtube explaining everything about the new Tacoma! And they didn't even let you sit in it!
Most are just made by fan boys who want to stay in Toyota's good graces to get free junkets to reveals, and web hits from other fan boys. It's hard to find an objective analysis.
@@NorthPaddle That is very true!
Yeah I probably won’t ever get invited to an event lol. I’m a fan of Toyota but I won’t just read from their press release and leave it at that!
Good stuff Tyler. I still think I made a good choice by buying a 2023 Tacoma. The 3” “wider” on the 2024 TRD Pro sounded so good until I found out its due to wheel offset. Whomever is responsible for that at Toyota should be fired.
The wider fenders will be nice for those that swap wheels and put a larger tire on, but kind of a goofy move to make it look cooler by them.
After 35 years being around trucks, and SUV's as well as the guys and gals who drive them I can tell you that I've rarely met someone who needed as much capability as they wanted or thought they needed. The new Tacoma will be just fine doing all the same things as the last generation Tacoma did. Toyota doesn't have to do anything the other brands are doing because no matter what Toyota guys will buy the Tacoma no questions asked and they will never come close to taxing it's capability. They don't realize that the base model SR5 4x4 would do the same thing in their cases as the TRD Pro or the new Trailhunter. But people love the idea of capability and they love appearances and perceptions which is what sells these things in the numbers they sell. Because there aren't 200,000 plus thousand people a year buying Tacoma's to actually go off roading with.
The power plants are derivative of those that already exist in other Toyota and Lexus products. The issues with the Tundra were because it was a brand new design. Never buy the first year of a truly new design whether Toyota makes it or not. The boxed frame will not allow as much rear flex as the old rear C-channel frame did so adding suspension travel would have been nice to make up for that difference. Does the Tacoma or any mid size truck really need more than 7.5" of actual travel (8" is stated but not attainable under normal conditions)? Nope. And, again, even if the Ranger Raptor and ZR2 Colorado prove to be more capable at the extremes than the Tacoma how many people are going to push any of them far enough where this matters? And how many are going to switch brands based on this tiny bit of extra capability at an extreme most will never see? Not many, if any, and Toyota knows this. On the other hand, for equal money, Toyota should have matched the articulation of it's rivals for the top model. After all, a suspended seat is great for your backside but does nothing for keeping tires in contact with the trail.
Where Ford may make up some ground, if they do, is due to the Ranger's extra real world utility. It can now carry 4x material between the wheel wells and while there is some discrepancy as to whether rear leg room has increased, overall hip and shoulder room has ever so slightly. Depending on which source you use (even Ford's own spec's) the new Ranger is listed as having 34.5" of rear leg room which is the same as the current model all the way up to 38.5". Both of which are better than the Tacoma anyway. People like looks, convenience and comfort so if they aren't die hard Toyota fans the extra room and utility might just sway them to Ford. But it's doubtful that anyone is switching sides for a front locker they will never use or an extra 1.5" of wheel travel they also will never use and don't know is missing anyway. Truck guys are rarely well versed in actual truck things that make real world differences in performance. Most I've met/known don't even know what payload capacity actually means. I know on a channel such as this there will be a percentage of guys who know what is missing but they will still be unlikely to actually need it. Toyota did what it needed to do to maintain their sales leader position and that is priority one. When we are involved in any specialized hobby we have to understand that no matter how visible we are we are still a tiny fraction of the buying public and what suits the majority comes first. And, seriously, darn near every dude out there thinks they know better than the engineers so they are going to modify these things, get less performance for doing so and then tell their friends how dumb Toyota engineers are.
Amazing reply and so true
You summed up my sentiment perfectly. I’ve always appreciated Toyotas approach to appear “late to the game” when it comes to adopting new technology. It’s not that they aren’t as capable as other auto makers. It’s that they want new technology to be proven before they send it out the door. I remember not wanting power windows because they often broke. Lol. I have 290k miles on a 2013 Tacoma. Never an issue. I trust Toyota to make the right decisions most of the time. No one can be perfect, but they seem to get it correct more often than others. I hope this new generation of Tacoma proves itself over time as well.
You got yourself a subscriber! Most of the big channels can’t even tell the difference between a MT and AT, or ask where the extra width of the TRD Pro comes from.
I understand it’s difficult to do so many vehicles and know the small details, but most car guys do.
Important stuff for tech/gear nerds like me.
Most anyone that is involved with off roaring knows the questions to ask, but they follow the line Toyota tells them to, so they don't reveal the "bad" or dump/cheap things (tflt def sellouts).
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New info or corrections.
The Hybrid battery is 288 volts.
Bed lengths on TRD Off Road unknown
Bed rack is said to be optional 🤞
I swear Toyota is doing its best to not sell trucks.
Great video! the super dramatic music at feature transitions lol
Yes I agree about the disposable bed rack. And the camper shell options which I would put on the truck..
Valid concern about the electronic e-brake. Another disappointment is the key fob for manual transmission vehicles. I am not a fan of key fobs and its refreshing that 3rd Gen 6MT models have the twist key still.
You can thank american autobloggers that have no business reviewing a truck for that. The ones who ask for more technology and comfort features like a mattress or massage chair and a full size retractable moonroof and a bigger mirror to do make up..the people that drink soy milk... you get the picture.
Fantastic overview very informative. Nice to hear an honest perspective on these new trucks from somebody in the overland community.
Finally someone directs the potential problems with the Electronic E Brake. You are the first person I have saw anywhere bring it up. I agree with your question about the loss of power. Even more so what happens when someone is hunting/camping in very cold temps and it freezes up over night? I just don't like the idea at all on a supposed "Off Road Vehicle" or something I plan on somewhat beating up on trails. I feel better manually controlling something that important.
The crew cab with a 6' need will be around 225" overall length. It fits in my garage. Don't care about the wheelbase. Can't wait to buy one (as long as there is more legroom)!
I’ll take a 4 cylinder GTDI over a Naturally Aspirated V6 any day. The torque curve is far superior and the wife has an NX200t that has well over 100k miles and it is flawless. Toyotas D4-S solved all the issues traditionally associated with GTDI.
Yes I agree 💯% I personally hate hate 4x4 select knob . Had huge problems with it not engaging and dissingaging. I wanted the option for manual shift lever
Thats why I bought my 2022 trd pro 4runner. Manual transfer case shifter.
On a 3rd gen Taco? No issues with my 2nd gen Taco.
Great info! Random comparison, my 2001 Chevy suburban has a 130 inch wheelbase. For some reason it’s just interesting to me that the Tacomas and Gladiators have a longer wheel base than a vehicle that is nicknamed the “land yacht”
That’s nuts!
2001 Tacoma double cab wheelbase is 122". They keep getting bigger and longer.
Exceptional video, thank you for putting it together!
Great comments, thank you!
Great video! Have you heard anything about stock gearing? I know that's a huge issue for many 3rd Gen owners... me included. Going 75mph on a flat freeway I'm still not in 6th gear. Or are they relying on the new transmission to fix this by itself?
Not totally sure, I will be at the next Expo and plan to ask more questions and I’m sure they will be happy to answer more in depth as time goes on. I know they said you can pull an 8% grade without downshifting, but that’s pretty vague. I will definitely ask those questions sir, thank you taking the time to watch Jason!
Glad that Toyota includes a 2400 watt inverter with the iforce hybrid! Hopefully the inverter does not have a cut-off time limit!
Superior content on the 2024 Tacoma... Nice!
Increasing the wheelbase doesn’t make the truck bigger. The engineers said that from bumper to bumper, comparable models are exactly the same length as the previous generation. These aren’t “huge” trucks. Also, high volts don’t kill you, high amps do.
A wheelbase of 144” is huge
Amps won’t kill if the voltage is low. Try 120 volts vs 480 volts to ground. You will easily recognize the difference.
V=IR. You are the R and it is a fixed number. Higher voltage means higher current through your body. Not to mention batteries are DC so a little more dangerous than AC.
Excellent info 👍. I have a paid for 2018 TRD off-road 6 ft bed and I'm really trying to decide whether I want to upgrade or not? I think I'm going to wait at least a year see how the first year of the 4th does. I would think that the engineers would have thought about water forwarding depth and sealed the hybrid system and battery and everything for going through water but who knows? The Rivian R1T is fully electric and it has a very deep water forwarding from the factory so I'm sure they have everything well sealed. Right now I still have way too many questions to go out and buy one and get on a list that's for sure. Have you heard any fuel economy numbers for any of the models? Hybrid and four-cylinder turbo? Thank you 👍
I’d keep your 3rd gen for another year or two, wait and see what issues pop up in the gen 4. Tacomas hold their value so well you won’t be losing out on much trade in value if you hold off. Never good to buy the first year of a new generation vehicle. Let them work out the bugs.
@@wk278 Exactly what I was thinking . Thank you 👍
No info on MPG yet, the lithium sealing question I will answer in another video soon.
@@IndependenceOverland Ok 👌 thanks 👍
Does a 4x8 sheet of plywood fit between the wheel wells now?
If I was going to spend the money for the trail hunter, I actually like those bed rack panels. You could mount small things on the inside of them with some clamps or some fuel or water or a small ax on the outside. While I don't think they're totally necessary, I think they have a use and I personally think they look cool, on this truck specifically.
They will be in the way if you want to install a tent on the back which is what the Trail hunter is intended for.
yea i thought ppl use them alot these days for cans, shovels n maxx traxx etc....
So the TRD Off-road is gonna have the option of a 6ft bed like the Trailhunter? If that’s the case I am so getting the Off-road one and building it out!
I’m really hoping for this too.
Yes, but it will have the 4 cyl engine. Not as robust as the outgoing generation. Get a 3rd gen while you can before prices skyrocket.
@@m.687 I’m selling my 3rd Gen for the new one. Can’t stand the gear hunting. Plus, the hybrid option is going to rip.
@@BC_Hunter The gear hunting can be fixed with an engine VF tune.
@@margyg Ya, I’m good. I’ll have no problem selling it. I just want an updated vehicle.
Excellent info, the stuff we want to know. Well done, continue the great work. I'll want the seats for my '23.
I don't want a huge truck, and no access cab is BS.
Please make a 2 door Cab & a half. Would be nice. I’m not talking a crew anywhere. Sounds like Toyota is going to do well again. I will be looking at these
first on the waitlist at a colorado msrp dealership. have a 2020 trd pro 4runner but plan on putting a GFC camper or ARB/toyota version on the taco for a lot more cargo room travelling while being able to fit into parking garages.
I think the only reason to have an automatic tailgate is if your hands are full and you dont want to drop the stuff, open the tailgate, pick the stuff back up and load it into the bed. But it won't really matter for me because I'll probably remove the tailgate for the alu cab camper, lol
"Most of their customers don't need a front locker."
That's why you offer it as an option on the offroad trims. Most of their customers don't need a TRD Pro / Trailhunter trim truck either, but the ones that do really need it. I'm a huge proponent of ATRAC / MTS. They work really well up here in the Colorado Rockies, so well that I pretty much leave them on all the time. Simple obstacles where I lift a tire a little, the ABS engages and no problem.
But on a trail like Poughkeepsie Gulch in the San Juans, I need the locker. There's a rock obstacle on Poughkeepsie called the wall. I've tried that obstacle with my FJ / 4Runner 4 times and made it up under my own power just once, in perfect conditions. Double-locked 4-door Rubicons with 8 extra inches of wheelbase go right up it. That's the difference.
My top heavy Fj about rolled back like a turtle on Poughkeepsie 🤣. I’m a person that needs a longer wheelbase I think, but not 144” long.
Explore Colorado's Hidden Gem | Poughkeepsie Gulch 4x4 Trail
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@@IndependenceOverland ha, when you were rolling back to the left I have a photo of my buddy's truck doing the exact same thing in the exact same spot.
FYI if you're ever out in July, the local trail leaders for FJ Summit are starting another event called Rocky Mountain Toyota RoundUp (Summit's over as of '22). Record snowfall this year so the waterfalls on Imogene and Yankee Boy are gonna be bonkers:
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I get the Pro since it’s now the Baja trim, but you would think the TH would of gotten a front locker.
@@jimmy-buffett Sorry just saw this comment, RUclips flags comments with links so it got buried. I saw you guys were putting together another event, I was out for the Summit in 2018. Perhaps I can make it out next year with the new build. I live here in Carbondale, so it shouldn't be a problem to make it that way. Was there still a whole mini show going on in town as well as trail runs?
Great video. You definitely touched on things no one else has.
I absolutely refused to give up my TRD pro factory rack. I found a cargo box that fit and made it work. Eventually though, i will have to ditch it for a new rack to support a roof top tent.
Yeah, very limited in its uses
From what it sounds like the trail hunter rack is modular and expandable to a full bed rack for mounting a tent or other accessories.
NIce work, man. The new Taco could have been a home run for me if they increased the suspension travel to around 10 inches and the ability to fit 35 inch tires. With the increased wheel base, no way you can survive any jeep trail in Moab or any jeep trail rated at 3. The offroad trails now have gone bad. 33inch tires won''t cut it anymore. This new truck is going to spend a lot of time hitting the open space wondering where other trucks or the broncos have gone deeper in the wilderness. Don't have a jeep but an F150 and know the importance of high clearance. I'm in the market for a new rig and no way on earth I'll go back to 145 inch wheelbase. Right now, the Bronco holds the first in my list but I hate Ford for various reasons (dealer support is horrible). So, patiently waiting for the others to catch up. Right now, Ford is the driver's car or truck in my opinion unfortunately.
What do you think about the new Colorado zr2 and bison, the bison comes stock with 35’s
@@gannas138 I was almost impressed until I saw they put the spare tire in the bed. Arrg. Might as well get an suv
@@cassin11 completely agree, rightnow I’m leaning towards the regular zr2
@@gannas138 I would as well go for the regular zr2. The body lift of an inch or 2 would do if you're going for clearance That would be way. cheaper. option and spend the remaining money. on other gear
It seems your specific needs would best be served by a rig you mod up yourself like most hard cores do.
I think the negatives had to be really sparsed out. None of them were even close to a "beware" type warning like the Bronco's tie rod issue or the software issues in a ZR2. Most peeps buying these trucks are creative enough to overcome the valid issues you mentioned.
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More electronics = less reliability … course 99% of the people buying these things won’t ever actually get more than 5 minutes from pavement anyway
If the ebrake is anything like they use on the newer lexus vehicles, it has it's own battery. Still unsure about it in emergency situations, but maybe it's fine.
You’d be surprised by how many people want the extra bells and whistles on their “overlander” rig. Purists not so much but the majority of buyers aren’t dedicated overlanders, more so weekend warriors that love to just get out there. I think from the feedback I’m getting at the dealership level, the public loves the new Tacoma and the volume of orders is insane. Great vid though, thanks!
Very good review of the 2024 Tacoma. As an owner of a 3rd Gen Off-Road w/manual gearbox, these are my thoughts. While there is a lot of good with the 2024 Tacoma (e.g., more headroom, boxed frame, better seating position, bigger brakes, bigger front CVs), there are some things that are not right for me. Those include: 4 cyl turbo motor, goofy lip on the back of the roof, electric e-brake, and the price (could be $50k for a nicely loaded Off-Road). Going to keep my 3rd Gen; too many negatives to justify trading in for a 2024.
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@@SLeeSG Maybe, Maybe Not. Come to NC and Mnt bike w/us to find out how cool the 3rd Gen truly is.
The 2.4T is going to be leaps better than the underwhelming 3.5.
@@slowfiveoh4986 Maybe, maybe not. I would like to hear of those who get +200 kMiles trouble free miles out of their 2.4 T. Don't think their are going to be many.
@@jcreeker5581 If the turbo is overbuilt, it can last a long time. That if Toyota overbuilt the turbo.
Hands down the best breakdown of the new Tacoma I've seen.
Thanks man!
Worried about auto tailgate when you're dealing with mulch/soil in the bed. It gets stuck between the gate the and the bed and you have to sweep it out normally with the gate on some incline. what happens when you try to close the gate with debris in there?
I believe it has a little sensor strip inside to see fingers and stuff like that. As far as how it would work with soil or small debris, no clue.
The Trailhunter also comes with steel skid plates all the way from the front bumper to and including the fuel tank. And 465 ft/lbs of torque. So nice. Oh, and The Toyota Care Nut, a Toyota Master Technician, advises to activate your electronic 4X4 a couple of times a month and you won’t have the issue of it not going into 4X4 when needed. I have a 2021 TRD Sport and have never had my electronic select for 4X4 not work and I live in Wyoming where snow and ice is prevalent.
Great video! So much information!
Great vid. I am in a Gladiator and admittedly am a fanboy over it. Not that I don’t recognize some of its issues, but for me it’s the best truck for my needs. But I’m always worried that Jeep will discontinue it and then what will I do at replacement time, and I just love offroad vehs. So I have been watching the new Taco new closely and am pretty stoked so far about the new Taco, especially the Trailhunter model, which fits with my uses much more. Disappointed they didn’t give longer arms up front to make the track wider to give better articulation and instead just chose to change the wheel offset, but wth, most of us will make sus changes anyway. I love the 6 ft bed option for those who want more bed space and are willing to give up some offroad geo to get it. Also kudos on the payload capacity- I’m with you, the US trucks suck (one of the shortcomings of my JTR is its 1268 lb payload). Like that they finally put coils and disc brakes all around. Welcome to 2010 Taco. LOL (I hated both of these things about the old model). And I like those outside bed lights. As someone with an Alucab that has lights like that on the side panels when they open up, I can say they are really helpful when pulling into camp after dark. Having some simple lights to turn on to illuminate the sides of the truck without having to use flashlights, headlamps or set up some kind of light or string lights is really convenient. Game changer? No. But thoughtful and helpful- yeah. And it’s nice to see that from a company. So (mostly) good job Yota. Hope the Trailhunter sticks around. So go buy it Yota fanboys so that it does. Lol. And always remember, it doesn’t matter what we drive, s long as we’re out there. See you on the trails. 🤙
Well said man!
The bed rail camping lights. I would like to see it switch from amber to white as needed. Maybe you don't want a bunch of bugs flying around that way you're working.
Actually the lenses are designed to be replaceable for this very reason.
What kind of gears on the front and rear axle is what I wanted to know. Four thirty five inch tires. Do I need to lift the truck. Do I need to regear.
No clue on this stuff yet
Does this new engine use a spin on oil filter?
Not sure about that.
I want a basic TRD Off-Rd with that suspension…. Keep it simple and as cheap as possible.
Gosh… as always Tyler, magnificent. So many important details covered for those of us that live this lifestyle. So very worth the wait. 🙏🫵🙌
9.5 rear sounds so sweet. But yeah I agree with that payload maxed and that amount of torque even that might not be enough!😬 Sounds like a Dana 60 or Tundra 10.5 swap on the 3rd might be wise if going the full “overlander” route.
Those rigid dual color lights are so dope too.
Honestly I’m all about the 4cyl turbo/hybrid but a straight 6 turbo would be pretty sweet.
Damn, did not know about the electronic e brake either. I just saw that this is becoming a thing in Australia too.
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I’m now curious if they are an electric released brake, so without power it’s set? Hard to say. I’ll find out more.
@@IndependenceOverlandcheck out 2:56 on this. It’s just a hint of what looks like is becoming a “thing” now. I have to do a lot more research on this too as I’m full on intrigued.
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That's so great they made the seating position the same way the Frontier has had since 2005
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Nice job! Very professionally done! I had been researching the new Tacoma and your video hit my feed. With high quality content like this, I expect your channel will grow quickly, and become big enough for manufacturers to invite you for reviews.👍🏼
Well that sure would be cool!
@@IndependenceOverland That e-brake worries me.
Great video.. I am really excited for the Trail Hunter.. but I been more impressed with the Zr2 Colorado plus bison will be revealed 31st in few days..they have increased long travel dssv shocks with are beast imo..
Zr2 usually have longer travel in general what your take on the Two vehicles vs one other.. and have you looked into the Zr2 Colorado? Thanks again great video
Yeah, those trucks look insane!
I never would have imagined describing the maneuverability of my '02 Sequoia as "nimble" compared to a "midsized" truck.
I been saying for years and years trucks need pop trunk and self closing tailgates. I didn't know they were gonna do that to the taco. Honestly I might go trade in my 2016 TRD off road for the trail hunter. I also love the bed rack 😂.
I have a '22 TRD pro, access cap with a 6' bed. I was considering a new '24 but after doing some research I'll be keeping my '22.
The hood scoop looks cool
.loosen up buddy
Looks cool, but does nothing. It’s like a big carbon fiber spoiler on the back of a Honda civic.
@@IndependenceOverland cars have pin stripes that does nothing. Many people change the exhaust that does nothing. Who cares they look and sound good
3rd gen values will see skyrocket to levels previously considered inconceivable.
I doubt it
3rd gen has been out for 9 years now. Anyone who wants a 3rd gen has already bought one.
I guess I could see an auto open/close tailgate as a nice luxury feature if you have full hands, but could have been reserved for the Limited with no loss for anyone else. Dampened tailgates are very nice though.
As for the spoiler, I really hope it's functional for reducing aero noise or something. Because otherwise it's a stupid waste of money that makes the truck less useable - an anti-feature.
I use my TRD offroad as a work truck and everyday use. Deff would use the hands free tailgate, countless times I have to put everything down to open or close it.
The mid generation Tundras were the perfect size pickup for my uses. The small pickups have been a little to small and full size pickups are ungainly large.
These are probably going to be about the same size as those tundras. These new Tacoma’s are slightly larger than 3rd gen and those were pretty roomy inside.
Good points, though every 4x4 is a mixed bag from the factory. However, a long wheelbase is HARD to overcome. A common remark on the Trail: "A 2-door Wrangler on 35's can go anywhere a Gladiator can go on 38's "
The rear rack will be optional on the trail hunter.. they said you can option a longer rack rails for the bed.. also talk to Mark Brenner about the tail lights on his tundra.. ask him if it's a 2 piece cause he changed his out..
with all the thought that went into those isodynamic seats, I'm surprised that they did do anything better with the seat backs for any other models. from what I can tell all you get is a single pocket on the rear of the passenger side. could have brought the molle panels on the backs of the seats, or webbing, or deep cutouts for more legroom, or zippered pouches, something...
Just got my 23 TRD Offroad Access Cab Long bed with the six speed manual last week. At this point I'm not the overlander you and your viewers may be however I'm pretty happy with the truck. I'll look at the new model Taco in seven or eight years.
E brake on my 2016-Manual is the reason I will never sell it!!! Absolutely love a central manual E brake
Makes me miss my 2nd Gen so much.
Glad I still have my 97 Chevy K2500.
Basically I was waiting to see this 4th gen to see if I was going to buy a 97 and restore it instead. Thanks to you I'm going to pull the trigger on the 97 and fully restore and upgrade it with the money I was going to buy the 4th gen with. That wheel base is simply a no go for me.
Related to the E Brake, I had an explorer with an electronic one. As long as you had battery power you can pull it to put it on. I am not sure if Toyota will have it attached to the dry cell battery which should make it more reliable in a power loss situation as that should always have some power. This is all speculation and no longer have my explorer so cant really test what Ford has done with this.
For the "wading depth" section, my interest is less on the hybrid components and more on the turbo. You can seal the battery and electrical motor to the same level of everything else under the hood, but I don't want to know what happens to a turbo when cold water hits the turbo housing.
I'm excited for this powertrain on paper, it should be a big improvement over the 3.5/4.0 V6's in these trucks on I-70 west of Denver. But on the trails it remains to be seen.
That’s a good point man, though the Landcruisers seem to get away with it so who knows, time will tell!
The Techy Mini Van Crowd really got there Hand in this one.. This guy is 100% on every thing.
I'm not 100% sold on turbos. I know they make power and help with efficiency. I worry about longevity. I will be in the market for a midsized truck in the next 8-12 months. I've always loved tacomas. But I'm going to have to consider the frontier.
Memory seats? Good info man👍🏿
I do not believe so. Thanks for watching Milo!
Awesome video!
May I ask if the TRD SPORT and Limited trims are going to offer a crew cab with the six-foot option?
I am not sure actually
Nice coverage Tyler. One thing of note on the wheelbase. For comparison the Land Cruiser wheelbase forever has been 112 inches. Even the new 300 series LX600 is still only 112. I know, it’s not a pickup so of course it is shorter, but I couldn’t imagine getting a 144 in wheelbase through the trails here in the Ozarks. You know, you’ve been here. I love our 100 series, it drives like a much smaller vehicle than its 5860 lbs would make you think it is due to its tight wheelbase.
Heard! I love my 100 series. Even hopping in a older Taco makes me grateful for how much easier it is to handle the Cruiser.
And the 5th gen 4Runner is only 109”. 144 is only 4” smaller wheelbase than my ford Transit 250! 😂
Yeah the 144” wheelbase is just insane. You would need at least 37s to make up for it in rocks, in dense forests your just SOL!
The Land Cruiser and it’s “golden wheelbase” is definitely the sweet spot!
I'm 6'5 so I'm very happy to hear the seats were lowered to help that and the technology looks modern on the new version unlike 3rd gen. Also the electric Tailgate I like that it was brought from the Tundra. It helps if you have your hands full and you can just tap it with your knee and it'll go up on it's own
The seats weren’t lowered, the roof was raised. Better clearance, and improved seating ergonomics.
Just more stuff to break.
Blame CAFE regulations for the increased wheelbase and track of the new Tacoma. Pickup trucks in the north American market have been increasing in size since the mid 2000's because fuel economy for the light duty truck class of vehicle is based on the area of the vehicles footprint. The larger the footprint the easier it is to meet the fuel economy regulations. This is one of the main reasons US auto manufacturer's stopped producing sedans and small pickup trucks like the regular cab short box Tacoma. Toyota's new trail hunter will be hellish driving off road, especially on tight wooded trails. Owners will need to pray that they don't come upon an obstacle that requires them to back track.
Great video, thank you. Some questions: what about MPG?
Will you be able to fit 35" or 37" tires without modifying?
35 very likely, I wouldn’t hold your breath for a 37 though.
No suspension travel increase that is why you need that suspension seat ,the width of the pro is just the fender and tire offset
Thanks for the info. You just convinced me to buy the most old school new truck on the market the Nissan Frontier.
Those molle panels are one of the best things they included for us that open or conceal carry firearms, it makes it to where we can easily add a holster to these points.
ha i said the same thing n love it
That’s insane the wheelbase is going to be the same as my crewmax tundra, my current Tacoma has a wheelbase of 109 inches which is the same as the 4Runner
Don't have money for expensive off-roading like that. 🥶🍻
I feel like nobody is pointing out the onboard inverter of 2400 watts at your needs in the bed of the truck . Tacoma really using the hybrid tech . It was super marketed on the f150 Power-boost . That’s a game changer . Tundra needs to take notes as well. The Tacoma I feel like is gonna shine !
It’s a game changer if it can be used with the vehicle off, and we don’t seem to have that info yet.
Can you answer me this
Can you get a double cab, manual transmission, 6’ bed and 4wd with this new Tacoma ?
I think on the TRD off road without the hybrid you can
Thanks for all info i had a Tacoma on the past loved i di have a tundra ,rav4 i enjoy it driving this vehicles