My cubical is nice. If Jim doesn't show up for a week, my pay isn't bothered. If Pam goes on maternity leave, my pay isn't bothered. If Dwight quits, my pay isn't bothered. If Michael decides to hire 20 new employees, my company doesn't restructure and cut my pay.
@@TaylorX3 if kevin goes to get surgery to fix his anal fissures your pay may increase. and if creed needs to escape from the law again there will be no money for pay.
I feel attacked: When I lived in Poland and watched american shows, I dreamed of having a job with my own cubicle! I came here, learned English, finished college while cleaning houses to get that cubicle! I got it, and since March 2020 I have been WFH. Stop the cubicle hate !!! 😂
Are the cubicles real? Here in the UK all the office jobs I've had so for the past 20 years, the desks are all open plan so you can see your colleagues and chat, ask for help etc
@@gameplaygirl3268 yes, some better than others but the norm has shifted to open plan. Mine is glass to the ceiling and has a door so it’s more like a small windowed office. I prefer it, open plan offices can get very noisy and distracting.
@@gameplaygirl3268 We used to have open plans, but there's a lot more privacy when you have a cubicle, especially if you're doing video chats or on the phone. I hate the distraction of being able to hear and see everybody else. I love my cubicle, it's my home away from home. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather be a lottery winner with my own island but if I have to work, I'd rather have a cubicle
I'm a cleaner at a children's hospital. I love my job. You clean stuff, support children and their families, and occasionally entertain infants when you've done everything you needed to. Just the other day, one child was mesmerised by me making her bunny toy hop around her cot. XD
@@chibiktsn3 aww, thank you ❤️ I've changed jobs now, through still in a hospital. I help nurses with personal care and supervision of patients on an orthopaedic trauma ward now, and absolutely love it. Especially helping around patients nurses find challenging, like patients who might have dementia or Alzheimers.
Thank you! Two of my children had longish hospital stays and your team was always pleasant & somehow provided a sense of normalcy in a tough situation.
Her mom raised her rent by $300 a month and would have evicted her otherwise for a ROOM? That's either stone cold or the math ain't matching (if my daughter came home spouting girlboss nonsense about how humble and genuine she is, I may have evicted her too tho...)
@@morganwentworth2041 If her mom’s house expenses went up significantly, I don’t blame her. Honestly, a lot of people get REALLY comfortable when they move back home and either don’t care or don’t realize that them being there increases bills, and because it’s family and not a landlord, they might even feel like they can do whatever they want and not respect the property/house rules. Driving her rent up could’ve also been to push her to save money and move out. Any working adult *should* contribute money to the home regardless of what their relationship is to the owner(s). A lot of times, it’s not really the space that parents charge you for, it’s the cost of letting you live there (food, water, power, internet, etc.). She was no longer a child so her mom was under no obligation to continue to house her. Did she ever say what she was paying prior to the rent increase? I don’t think I ever heard her say how much her mom was initially charging her. That leaves me to believe that the answer was $0. If that’s the case, $300 is nothing (even 10 years ago), but she acted like it was some outrageous price.
@@morganwentworth2041 there's moms who kick their kids out at 18 bc they didn't want kids to begin with, lol. MANY moms are very cruel to their kids. mine is one of them, and i've had friends with similar mothers. more common than you'd think if you're a good mom or raised by one.
“The men are at the top [of MLMs], so you’re not seeing the men. You’re seeing the women doing all the work, all the relationship building. . . .” So, explain again how this model empowers women? Sounds like a perfect example of subjugation to me.
Sounds like the "traditional" pattern of women doing unpaid labor to support "their" men. 9-to-5s and salaried jobs aren't perfect, but at LEAST they guarantee women compensation for their efforts.
THIS! It is always men who run these companies and are that top while they are flooded with women who aren't getting paid even a sixth of what they are making.You can't say it's a woman's business or empowering women when the companies are all run by rich men.
Jessie Lee: "Why is most anti-mlm content about women??" Also JL: "MLM is dramatically woman-centric." Lady, you just answered your own question! This is painful.
Yes! I yelled this out right when she said it. MLM is mostly about beauty products and weight loss (which focuses a lot on women losing post baby weight)…
“The gig economy didn’t exist before UberEats and Doordash!” Who’s going to tell her that making your living off of a lot of small income opportunities predates office and factory work by centuries, if not millennia? Selling the eggs from your chickens and tomatoes from your garden, taking in sewing and washing, doing handyman jobs, working part-time at two or three jobs…that’s all gig work. We just didn’t have a snappy name for it until recently.
Nursing is hard work. Teaching is hard work. Social work is hard work. People in these professions work very hard, in often-hostile environments, and don’t get paid very much. But at least they get paid, whereas huns don’t earn squat. Many are in serious debt.
Exactly, and while it’s not what it should be, there is guaranteed hourly wages and benefits. They’re all prestigious careers. Being a sales rep that only gets paid on commission and recruiting just isn’t comparable
I would argue saying “fuck MLMs” is the same ever as fuck cancer! MLMs are a cancerous ideology that overtake and subjugate vulnerable women and getting out of them is a win!!
Nurse here! 👩⚕️ Yes, we buy our own scrubs, stethoscopes, etc. It kind of sucks, but at the same time it gives us the ability to express ourselves through fashion (and comfort) too. And We’re actually compensated well for our time (at least in Canada anyway). Lots of us make 6 figures a year. Legitimately. And yes, it also sucks that we have fees to practice, but it’s for our insurance. It’s for our UNION (who actually help us negotiate even better pay, or fund extra training). We are guaranteed a pay check for every hour we work, which these women can’t say about themselves. We get benefits. We get paid time off. We ALSO don’t have to recruit other nurses!!!! Sheesh. Even in a pandemic I’d still rather be a nurse than in an MLM. And if I saw ANY person trying to recruit any of my ER patients, they would be getting one heck of an earful from me. That kind of behaviour is PREDATORY and unbelievably disgusting.
*And* what you do is actual medical science based on formal testing and RESULTS, not spiritual mumbo jumbo with no proven effectiveness. I'm all for spiritualism and philosophy and self-care, but using those ideas to sell products that have no proven physical/mental benefit is just skeevy as hell. I'm just a cosmetologist but you wouldn't catch me dead trying to sell stuff to my clients that didn't consistently show good results.
@@HexIsme yes!!! Nurses got canned because they were no longer practicing to those standards of evidenced based practice. There is a ton of room for other health modalities as long as they are not harmful and are still practiced along side modern therapies. But some people take it way too far.
Ive seen this video a few times from different creators and the comments about nursing infuriate me so much. There’s a reason there are licenses for certain professions.. these two are so naive. Plus, it’s nurses who will take care of you no matter what and also complete check ups and care for your children so they stay healthy. These two probably wouldn’t even entertain a conversation with someone if it didn’t benefit them in some way.
Yes! The stethoscope thing got me, too, just shows how little they know. Not all stethoscopes are made the same. Not all ears are the same. When it could be a matter of life or death, having tools that work for you matter!! It's embarrassing to watch these truly uneducated women blather on and contradict themselves left and right.
Imagine being so self-righteous that you LAUGH at someone going to university to better themselves, to get into a career that our society desperately needs: health care professionals, teachers, social workers et al. Ragging on these professions because of broken beaurocracy doesnt fix it. We still need these professions- we dont need more "stuff to buy" 🙄
Can you imagine if every underpaid professional left their career to join an MLM? Who would they see when they needed a medical treatment? Where would they send their children to be educated?
Yeah, that was definitely wild. What’s crazier is that they think someone making money as a nurse is going to make more money in an MLM scheme., regardless of student loan debt….
Yeah, that was definitely wild. What’s crazier is that they think someone is going to believe making money as a nurse is going to make more money in an MLM scheme., regardless of student loan debt…. And then they go on and on about how many hours nurses and teachers work just to have to work a second job, when they constantly do this boss babe crap that says you have to hustle, hustle, hustle, and spout about how you can work from your phone while cooking dinner and managing kids and running errands….
God, the mean girl cackle when they talk about higher education. They think they’re soooooo smart 🙄 imagine if the world had no more dentists, doctors, lawyers, pilots, nurses, psychologists cause they all decided to shill shampoo instead
I find it ultra fascinating that anti-MLM content creators can react to MLM content for educational purposes FOR HOURS, but MLM distributors can't react to anti-MLM content for educational purposes because THEY CAN'T and it might show their followers the gaps in the "opportunity". All they do is call them "haters", circle jerk each other like this, and say not to watch them.
I would love to see one person in an MLM that became successful just from selling the products, not recruiting, not buying the products themselves to buy rank. That would be like finding a unicorn.
I’ve been a nurse for 4 years now. Not one of my coworkers has a second job bartending/waitressing/etc due to “low payment.” Most of the girls I work with are the primary breadwinners of their households working their 3 12 hour shifts.
'You get paid for the exact amount of work you do.' Litterally, no, no you don't. I just spent 4 hours, at home, learning a new software for work. I bet I got paid more than ANY MLMer made during their zoom meetings. And guess what, my pay wasn't dependent on getting other people to join my job. Imagine that.
This makes me so angry because they’re SO condescending about their “business”, but they contribute less than nothing to society compared to any random minimum wage worker they love to talk down to. We need baristas and restaurant staff, we’d be fine without mlms.
Exactly. I'd love to see the reaction of huns when their local Starbucks closes or there's no vegetables in the grocery store, because all minimum wage workers have quit and started working in an mlm company instead.
I had absolutely 0 interest in MLM drama, but... now I can't stop watching your videos! I love the way you break everything down. I realized how important this is. It really isn't "drama", it's far more serious than that. Keep up the good fight.
Every time I see a training of hers it feels like she tosses in a “studies show women are natural this and that” and it’s like SHOW ME THE MEDICAL JOURNAL FROM WHERE YOU CITED THAT
@@_stillborn they're often accurate if you agree with them. which says a lot more about you than anything. racist, sexist, homophobic etc. stereotypes are not often "accurate" but are commonly thought to be so. because guess what? people are stupid, prejudiced, and don't think with their brains. people like you!! omg!
I just love the over arching theme of “get freedom from having to work so much and have a 9-5, time freedom, blah blah blah blah, but if your MLM isn’t successful it’s because you aren’t working hard enough”.
Jessie Lee: You get paid for the exact amount of work you do. Also Jessie Lee: *Laughs at the idea of someone quitting after working for 2 weeks straight and not getting a paycheck.* Hannah. My hair has officially burst into flames over this video. Think Monat can fix that?
I might need to click away from the video because these predatory bullies are so infuriating. Awful people. Also, one of them keeps steamrolling the other. I pity those who must interact with these people in real life.
Seems pretty anti-women to assume that the majority of women joining MLMs need extra money for DISCRETIONARY items rather than essentials like rent/groceries.
I was a victim of sexual assault years ago when I was a kid and I could very well be a predator now that I am an adult and CAN have power over people. Many abusers actually follow that exact path. So yeah, you CAN be both. At the same time and at different times.
I recently found this channel and cannot get enough. Luckily, I am a little late to the game and there are plenty of videos for me to binge. Now, with this one, I am only ten minutes in and already cannot believe what I am seeing! I have had some struggles in life. I have not always made the best decisions or been able to manage impulses. And I am SO grateful that I no longer buy into these statements that there is something wrong with me for every single thing that has happened. Sure, there is much that I need to take responsibility for. However, there are so many things that life throws at people that are completely out of anyone's control. Now, people telling people lies trying to get them to spend money and trying to get their hopes up about a large paycheck that won't happen...that they will keep chasing by spending their own money seems like a decision that is pretty calculated. Thank you for these videos!!
How can they call paying for licensing renewals a scam. They ask their downline to pay to go to yearly conference to hear the same self help, you go girl speech.
@@snailmailbox7298 hundreds if not thousands. Most mlms require you to buy your inventory. AKA you need to buy what you'll be selling- but not at a low bulk business price..
I love how she’s pretending to have any knowledge about psychology and then says things like “ it doesn’t make logical sense for a victim to become a predator” 🙄🙄 girl lol statistically, victims who don’t have support or get help end up being predators like wtf?!
It happens all the time!! So many victims of many crimes never heal from them and end up commuting the same types of crimes. Victims need support and therapy because going through shit alone is so hard.
It’s almost like she hasn’t heard the iNCREDIBLY common phrase, the cycle of violence, or the cycle of abuse. She’s truly lived a privileged life if this info hasn’t touched her. Or she’s ignoring it which is 10x worse.
I think she just doesnt want to face the fact that she was a victim. She said her situation in a very mockey tone, even thought it was actually kind of serious. I think she doesnt want to seem weak or vunerable, and doesnt want to think that shes taking advantage of people who are in a bad spot either.
It's so strange to hear them struggle, verbally and online infront of thousands of people, to understand how you can go from a victim to a predator...What do you mean it makes no sense? Almost every form of abuse can be traced to the abuser being abused first...its common knowledge, common sense...just baffling to see the truth spill out of their mouths while acting confused - and they can't even see it
Unpopular opinion: Colleen doesn't like Jessie but she knows that her business is not going well and this collab might help her so she's putting on a happy face for the camera. She does not seem very invested in this video.
Seemed more to me like JL was just steamrolling her and Colleen may have been left feeling like, "Am I just here to nod and agree with her? Will I ever get a chance to speak?" That was my take.
I agree! This was the longest conversation I've ever seen someone having with only themselves. The lady on the bottom was just set decor of collar bones and smiling teeth.
I had to go back and look up who Boss Lee was and found out she passed of colon cancer at age 35 last year while trying to "naturally" cure herself. She became the victim of her own stubbornness and unceasing need to be right. Extremely sad.
This is my mothers 30th year as an educator on the elementary level. Not only does she receive continuing education in the form of professional development, she gets compensated for it. She gets to keep the lights on both at her house and in the minds of her young students because of this. What a concept.
I can't believe I sat through this conversation again. Also, has anybody pointed out how Colleen has not a single original thought to contribute (not that any of their points are new or original). It's just JL rambling and Colleen widening her eyes in shock saying "RIGHT?!" then tripping over words when JL actually tries to throw the conversation to her.
Jesse is so obnoxious, I'm a little lost as to how she managed to recruit anyone. I hope I'm not being mean.. I'm just repelled by her entire approach and self-aggrandizing chatter.
I can see how Hannah could be an effective teacher. Listening to her analyses of these calls is illuminating, even for seasoned folk like myself. I see straight through the hosts of the calls, but it's somehow interesting to hear what is readily observable to the discerning as voiced by a discerning person. Plus, Hannah is so well-spoken, intelligent, expressive and...downright surgical. Then, there is her calm, cool, and collected delivery of unassailable fact. Fabulous channel.
Yes, I have a Bachelor's in Nursing, and I am one month away from a Juris Doctorate. It's expensive, and it sucks the way this country treats higher education. But you know what I get when I'm done with school? I get an education that lasts my lifetime. I get an education that can help others sue companies and people that run pyramid schemes to scam people.
Hi Hannah. I’m a brand new subscriber and LOVE your work. As a hard of hearing person, I have a small suggestion - in future videos, when you want to add onscreen info, don’t put it at the bottom. since you’re brilliant and have subtitles on, they cover your little blue info drop boxes! So maybe add extra info at the top instead. Keep up the good word girl, you’re an absolute badass!
It's so performative. I feel like they're just speaking to themselves in the camera and have totally dissociated from the actual humans involved. It's also so cringe-y that they think they did something and feel so smug.
You had so much grace during this whole trainwreck of a conversation between those two. Wow. I sat here, nearly unable to listen to them. Kudos to you as always. Their argument was ridiculous mental gymnastics ooh my god. Lord save us all.
This is how you know they know exactly what they are doing . they will many , many times literally explain it and then act like oh no it’s not that . The same way a person who was bullied can then become the bully the victim can become the predator. Amazing video!
Their commentary on nursing was really interesting to me. I'm a board certified nurse, I do not need to work a side hustle. In addition to a good income, I get job satisfaction from serving people. It's a win!
They are so horrifically obnoxious! I had such a hard time listening to them. Your analysis was excellent and you have such patience! Haha also I've admired your makeup in all your videos but didn't want to comment to avoid focusing on your appearance when you make such meaningful content. BUT I loved that you showed your routine on screen. Thank you!
and anyone who has had a single mom would know damn well that if that single mom were to have 50 extra bucks a month, it would NOT be spent on themselves but on their children. It's so weird every time I hear mlm huns say that...
Right?! I'm not a single mom, but we're surviving on my partner's income alone right now, have been since late 2020. I start a part time job in September, and the first thing I thought of was I'd be able to spend a bit more money on my son for his birthday in October, and for Christmas. The second thing? Being able to purchase everything we need for baby 2 without dipping into savings. The fact I could have extra money for myself never crossed my mind. Not that parents don't deserve nice things as well - and should be able to treat themselves - but most parents I know think about how to make their kids lives better first.
I know I'm late, but YES! For Christmas one year, I got a $50 gift card for Marshall's and what did I do? I bought a few cute outfits for my child and forced myself to buy a $5 candle for me lol.
@@lezliesmith3354 exactly. The only thing I've bought for myself since the baby was born was postpartum necessities like pads and pantiliners lol and I finally bought myself a new pair of work pants and a comfy bra...for nursing 🤣
I’ve pretty much stopped going on social media, and you and like 2 others (who have nothing to do with ani-mlm) are the only people I watch anymore. So I always appreciate you covering anything, even if there’s 30 other people covering the same thing. Because let’s be honest unless you’re talking about it I will have no idea. So thank you.
I will pay my money every 2 years to renew my pharmacy license, and I do not regret the massive amounts of money I spent getting that degree. Because I am actually filling a NEED in society, while doing something I love, and helping people. Does shilling overpriced ketone products (which...actual scam) or glorified Aveeno skincare actually put anything back into the world?
I do a yearly payment as a teacher and they look after all of the things needed to ensure the professionalism of all teachers. I also pay for my union fees and as a teacher I think it’s important and I know for a fact my union is strong. It’s all worth it. (Still wouldn’t mind a pay rise 😆)
So agree. I'm a licensed clinical social worker and I will happily pay those renewal fees because it's part of what makes my credentials and profession legitimate. People can report me to my licensing board if I behave unethically, we need licensing to keep people safe.
@@DopamineDecor ??? One: I don't have customers; Two: Gonna need more details about what you want me to warn people about and what you mean by "related drugs". Like other fluoroquinolones? Other antibiotics? Other drugs that are white tablets? I counsel all patients on any medications that they are being prescribed with discharge from the hospital. This includes what the medication is for and how to take it, what they can expect for therapeutic effects and side effects, and any rare but concerning side effects that they may experience and what to do about that.
Omg the whole victim predator thing is making my brain hurt. It is just like groomers and pedos. They find vulnerable people and get them into their grasp, some times those people grow up and hurt other vulnerable people. Was the original person a victim? Yes Are they the predator now? Yes ...how do they not grasp this concept. How are they rich without having brains it's crazy
Your comments on professional licenses are spot on. I have my independent adjusters lisence I have to renew every 2 years with required continuing education credits. The thing is, I can take my license and go to another company. They can't take their starter kit from one MLM to another MLM.
I find it interesting in how pretty much all of these types of calls with two mlm huns going on and on about how great it is, there's always one that is just silent, nodding and getting interrupted and then there's one that's loud, rambling, speaking over the other one, constantly interrupting etc
The condescension of the short haired girl is repellent. She hated people who were successful so she assumes everyone is as petty and vindictive as she is? Jesse Lee has issues, I think we can all see that, but this other person gives me a bad feeling.
Ok, I’m a nurse and I’ve been in an mlm. My job has always paid me. I show up and I get paid. With the mlm, I went live, I used the products, I reached out to people, I embarrassed myself because I thought that the extra $300 a month was worth it. It wasn’t. Let’s talk about paying to work. Most hospitals do payroll deduct or will reimburse you up to a certain amount for scrubs. If you’re spending 100k for your nursing degree you either have your masters or went to a super prestigious university. Also NONE of my friends are working second jobs waitressing or whatever. If they work extra jobs it’s because they want more money. I do agree that nurses and teachers are underpaid, especially teachers. Also, if you need need more than what you’re making while making decent money - it’s usually due to other circumstances. Yes debt exists but this generalization of nurses constantly struggling is not the norm. At least, not it the circle I know and that’s nurses in different areas in a whole state geographically and different facets of nursing. Also, there are nurses who travel and easily make 3k A WEEK. And another thing, of course licenses cost money! Don’t you have to pay for your driver’s license?! These two are delusional. I think they believe everything they are saying. It’s great to te found success but the majority won’t.
Yes! Most hospitals will help pay for you to advance your degree too, ans at the end of the day you have more knowledge and skills to rely on. I dont understand why protecting patients by requiring continuing education and making sure that our licenses are up to date is a bad thing either 🙃
My college degree plan was elementary education too until I realized how bad the job is… I’ve dropped out and moved states but I still want to get a degree and don’t even know where to start. I hate taking out loans and debt. It’s awesome you have a masters, I’m sorry you can’t use it. But I’m glad you are here to educate us too!
Watching Jessie in this video verses her in the live Erin and JulieJo reacted to last night is astounding. The persona she puts on for videos like these is so fake it's uncomfortable. And listening to Colleen talk is about a exciting as watching paint dry.
Colleen seemed completely lost here. I have to say though, as off the wall as JLW can act, Colleen’s smirking condescension is even more aggravating for me personally. Don’t get me wrong, they’re both awful. But there’s just something about Colleen that screams “I was a Mean Girl™️ in high school!”
Major respect to you for making it through the whole call. I had to watch in several sittings because it made me so frustrated. Thanks for all you do. I love your videos and the way you present the facts with compassion.
My CPR training is free through my employer, my license is $180 every 2 years, and I make over 6 figures. I have excellent benefits including 2 retirement funds, paid time off. I have often 5 days of between shifts. These women know nothing. How dare they laugh at my profession as a RN.
I am beyond impressed how you stay kind and rational while analyzing this videos. I truly appreciate your kind approach and that you never attack or demean these women who have been brainwashed by this horrible industry. Keep up the great work!
You're actually the only anti-MLM channel I'm subbed to, I really don't get recommended any other types of anti-MLM content, and frankly I think you make your points more than sufficiently enough that I don't need to hear a bunch of people saying the same thing to get it. And honestly I'm so annoyed by the fact that the pyramid scheme even gets to go by such an innocuous tag as "multi-level marketing"--it is, it always has been and always will be, a PYRAMID SCHEME. A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Same here! I actually did start with watching illuminaughty, but I never subbed because I didn't love the style. I subbed to Hannah right away and watch her daily. 😍
Same! I didn't even know the anti-MLM community existed until I randomly watched one of Hannah's videos. I continued watching and subbed because of her delivery and well-researched information.
It’s so frustrating also because to support the illusion of an MLM and make those on top rich, a ton of 9-5 “cubicle” jobs are required. People creating, branding, and distributing the crappy products they pretend to sell, the people with administrative positions in the mlm’s offices, etc. So then logically this whole idea of “wow everyone needs to wake up and quit their 9-5” is not only illogical, but also so short sighted.
OK, I cannot express in words how much I love you and this channel. I'm not even one of the ladies who had a horrible MLM experience, although I acknowledge that MLMs are predatory and illegitimate. I love how you deconstruct these livestreams or posts, point by point, and are totally on-point and articulate. My issue with reaction channels is that they really don't say anything in a cohesive way. You are flawless.
You are the G.O.A.T.!!! I loved everybody's commentary on this, but I knew that you would specifically and eloquently (like always) break down all of her contradictions when it came to the concept of being the victim versus the predator; and pick apart each and every time she literally explained how she is exactly that. It is award worthy. You are awesome! Everything was amazing, but this is what I wanted to hear 😂.
The delusion is DEEP. I especially love the “they don’t hate MLMs… they hate THEMSELVES.” 😂 That sounds like something someone would say thinking it makes them sound smart, when it really does the exact opposite. Bless their hearts.
The dissonance is wild. It's so interesting how they don't understand how victims can become abusers (for lack of a better phrase). Hurt people can hurt people. Nothing they say makes sense. They come so close to hitting the mark and still miss it completely.
I love seeing your cats messing around in front of the camera. Watching mlmers preach about their opportunities is exhausting sometimes. So I absolutely love the random distractions/buffers. Also, I love your videos, you’re doing great!
So for me (and of course im late af) i find your views the most like mine. I love the other creators but appreciate your cadence and candor. Your tone really helps me and every glow up is just so on point exactly how i would do it. Your voice is very soothing and i like that you lean into it.
I’ve actually avoided watching this on other peoples channels because I knew how infuriating it would be. But you’re very calming so my blood pressure…well it’s not low but it’s stable. 😂
Omg her talking about putting a manual transmission car in neutral going downhill to save gas cracked me up... so she wore down her brakes faster because she wasn't relying on engine braking?
I’ve been quietly watching for months. I’ve already seen everyone else’s video on this stream. This was my favorite take. Thank you for being so clear on why it’s manipulative! It’s the first time I’ve seen someone not talk about themselves and really pick apart what they’re talking about (except for savi writes books)
Thank goodness that I was doing my puzzle in between listening to this video because from time to time I was just zooming out as I couldn’t stand their voices and the constant repeating of one and the same things over and over again! God!
"Are we a predator or are we a victim?" Um ma'am, I'm very sure there are birds out there that eat other animals that also get eaten by bigger animals. It is in fact possible to be both the predator and the prey. Every time they come up with a new point, they really think they've done something by saying it out loud, but its always just as wack as the last idea lol
House cats are a great example. They are predators to smaller animals like birds and rodents but prey to larger animals like coyotes and eagles. Cats have really interesting behavior that comes from needing to simultaneously protect themselves from large predators and hunt small prey.
It’s mind boggling to me that these women can spend this much time thinking they’re “debunking things” and not think it’s sus? I’ve literally never had to give a “presentation” where I “debunk” other peoples comments about my job being a scam.
Hannah, I recently discovered your channel and I have to say you’re the best anti-MLM content creator out there. You *never* name call or bully, unlike some other creators, whose names I won’t mention; you simply flawlessly and logically debunk pro-MLM propaganda and are very entertaining while doing it.
I feel the same way. I had unsubscribe from one creator because she was getting pretty toxic and overtime it really began to bother me. I think our job as an anti-MLM community is to react maturely and as respectful as possible, attacking the businesses, the business model and anyone who gets very inappropriate or abusive within that business model. Loved your comment!
So I just found your channel so I'm just catching up and leaving a comment 2 years after this video was posted. I keep coming back to the same memory when you talk about the cult like aspect of MLMs. I was in Mary Kay a little over 20 years ago when a documentary or made for TV movie came out about Mary Kay. They told all of us consultants to not watch it because it was false and showed Mary Kay in such a negative light...keeping us away from an other POV. Secondly. Who are these ladies?!? They are so aggressive! How are you not a victim and predator at the same time??? That is literally what usually happens with victims of a specific type of abuse. They experience it and then prey and groom others that they then victimize the way they were. Thank you for your content. So enlightening and very interesting! Wishing you all the best.
someone on reddit said they went to uni with colleen for her psych degree (a masters i believe) and said she was pompous and overconfident. i believe that.
I don't ever care if you're "late to the game", because you're the only antimlm creator that I watch regularly! 🤗 I always enjoy your honest, yet genuinely kind and thoughtful perspective!! 💕
so agree. Can we collectively agree that manipulating people for "success" isn't success. Its basically manipulation culture as you point out. Im loving your videos. This was a genius idea and you are so well spoken with really important points.
Colleen claims that if it was male-dominated the anti-MLM movement wouldn't be so big...except I've seen _hundreds_ of videos about male-centric scams (Gary V, Tai Lopez, etc) and in fact, those videos are *harsher* than most anti-MLM videos I have ever seen.
There are PLENTY of male RUclipsrs bashing scam self-improvement courses targeted to men. Like that $18K weekend boot camp "designed" to turn out-of-shape white-collar workers into "real men." While MLMs certainly target vulnerable women, women do not have a monopoly on getting scammed.
It makes me happy to see a lot of these mlm ladies are spending their time in trying to “debunk” antimlm. At least they are spending less time trying to scam new people but putting the effort into continue to brainwashing their existing teams. I’ll wait by the sidelines to see how this all plays out. Thank you Hannah for being a face and voice for the anti mlm movement!! ♥️
Paying for clothes to wear to work for guaranteed pay, is not equivalent to paying for inventory to sell MLM without a guaranteed salary.
Really good point
"Strangers become friends and friends become family!" And family become strangers! We found the cycle!
Brilliant! (Because that's exactly what happens.)
👏👏👏👏👏
My cubical is nice. If Jim doesn't show up for a week, my pay isn't bothered. If Pam goes on maternity leave, my pay isn't bothered. If Dwight quits, my pay isn't bothered. If Michael decides to hire 20 new employees, my company doesn't restructure and cut my pay.
Thought you were about to name all of the Office cast lol
@@YoKinah editing it to meet the requirements
@@TaylorX3 hahaha this is amazing 🥳👏🏾
@@TaylorX3 if kevin goes to get surgery to fix his anal fissures your pay may increase. and if creed needs to escape from the law again there will be no money for pay.
I hope you two are married now 💁🏽♀️
I can't believe a nurse has to buy a $100 stethoscope in order to do their job that pays $50k+ per year plus benefits.
I feel attacked: When I lived in Poland and watched american shows, I dreamed of having a job with my own cubicle! I came here, learned English, finished college while cleaning houses to get that cubicle! I got it, and since March 2020 I have been WFH. Stop the cubicle hate !!! 😂
I love my cube too!
#stopthecubiclehate!
Are the cubicles real? Here in the UK all the office jobs I've had so for the past 20 years, the desks are all open plan so you can see your colleagues and chat, ask for help etc
@@gameplaygirl3268 yes, some better than others but the norm has shifted to open plan. Mine is glass to the ceiling and has a door so it’s more like a small windowed office. I prefer it, open plan offices can get very noisy and distracting.
@@gameplaygirl3268 We used to have open plans, but there's a lot more privacy when you have a cubicle, especially if you're doing video chats or on the phone. I hate the distraction of being able to hear and see everybody else. I love my cubicle, it's my home away from home. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather be a lottery winner with my own island but if I have to work, I'd rather have a cubicle
I'm a cleaner at a children's hospital. I love my job. You clean stuff, support children and their families, and occasionally entertain infants when you've done everything you needed to.
Just the other day, one child was mesmerised by me making her bunny toy hop around her cot. XD
Your job makes the world a better and safer place, especially for those kids! 💖
@@chibiktsn3 aww, thank you ❤️
I've changed jobs now, through still in a hospital. I help nurses with personal care and supervision of patients on an orthopaedic trauma ward now, and absolutely love it. Especially helping around patients nurses find challenging, like patients who might have dementia or Alzheimers.
Thank you! Two of my children had longish hospital stays and your team was always pleasant & somehow provided a sense of normalcy in a tough situation.
Environmental services are one of my two favorite groups in the hospital (them and lift team). You did such an invaluable service for your hospital
I love this, so very wholesome! Please keep doing what you’re doing !!❤️❤️❤️
The "person she rented the basement from" was her mom...she always leaves that part out 🤣.
Her mom raised her rent by $300 a month and would have evicted her otherwise for a ROOM? That's either stone cold or the math ain't matching (if my daughter came home spouting girlboss nonsense about how humble and genuine she is, I may have evicted her too tho...)
I meant to hit reply but hit report so sorry
@@morganwentworth2041 If her mom’s house expenses went up significantly, I don’t blame her. Honestly, a lot of people get REALLY comfortable when they move back home and either don’t care or don’t realize that them being there increases bills, and because it’s family and not a landlord, they might even feel like they can do whatever they want and not respect the property/house rules. Driving her rent up could’ve also been to push her to save money and move out. Any working adult *should* contribute money to the home regardless of what their relationship is to the owner(s). A lot of times, it’s not really the space that parents charge you for, it’s the cost of letting you live there (food, water, power, internet, etc.). She was no longer a child so her mom was under no obligation to continue to house her. Did she ever say what she was paying prior to the rent increase? I don’t think I ever heard her say how much her mom was initially charging her. That leaves me to believe that the answer was $0. If that’s the case, $300 is nothing (even 10 years ago), but she acted like it was some outrageous price.
Seriously?! That's funny!
@@morganwentworth2041 there's moms who kick their kids out at 18 bc they didn't want kids to begin with, lol. MANY moms are very cruel to their kids. mine is one of them, and i've had friends with similar mothers. more common than you'd think if you're a good mom or raised by one.
“The men are at the top [of MLMs], so you’re not seeing the men. You’re seeing the women doing all the work, all the relationship building. . . .” So, explain again how this model empowers women? Sounds like a perfect example of subjugation to me.
Boss lee is making money off women who are losing money and they know it. It's so much worse.
Sounds like the "traditional" pattern of women doing unpaid labor to support "their" men. 9-to-5s and salaried jobs aren't perfect, but at LEAST they guarantee women compensation for their efforts.
THIS! It is always men who run these companies and are that top while they are flooded with women who aren't getting paid even a sixth of what they are making.You can't say it's a woman's business or empowering women when the companies are all run by rich men.
Jessie Lee: "Why is most anti-mlm content about women??"
Also JL: "MLM is dramatically woman-centric."
Lady, you just answered your own question! This is painful.
Yes! I yelled this out right when she said it.
MLM is mostly about beauty products and weight loss (which focuses a lot on women losing post baby weight)…
“The gig economy didn’t exist before UberEats and Doordash!”
Who’s going to tell her that making your living off of a lot of small income opportunities predates office and factory work by centuries, if not millennia?
Selling the eggs from your chickens and tomatoes from your garden, taking in sewing and washing, doing handyman jobs, working part-time at two or three jobs…that’s all gig work. We just didn’t have a snappy name for it until recently.
The thing is we NEED nurses, not MLM Huns. The two CANNOT be compared. 🤦🏻♀️
EXACTLY!!!
Say it louder!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼😂
Nursing is hard work.
Teaching is hard work.
Social work is hard work.
People in these professions work very hard, in often-hostile environments, and don’t get paid very much.
But at least they get paid, whereas huns don’t earn squat. Many are in serious debt.
Exactly, and while it’s not what it should be, there is guaranteed hourly wages and benefits. They’re all prestigious careers. Being a sales rep that only gets paid on commission and recruiting just isn’t comparable
Ew, as a nurse, I can’t believe she’s comparing us.
"MLMs are mostly women". Same's true of breast cancer, but no one's claiming "fuck cancer" is an anti-woman statement.
I would argue saying “fuck MLMs” is the same ever as fuck cancer! MLMs are a cancerous ideology that overtake and subjugate vulnerable women and getting out of them is a win!!
Nurse here! 👩⚕️ Yes, we buy our own scrubs, stethoscopes, etc. It kind of sucks, but at the same time it gives us the ability to express ourselves through fashion (and comfort) too. And We’re actually compensated well for our time (at least in Canada anyway). Lots of us make 6 figures a year. Legitimately. And yes, it also sucks that we have fees to practice, but it’s for our insurance. It’s for our UNION (who actually help us negotiate even better pay, or fund extra training). We are guaranteed a pay check for every hour we work, which these women can’t say about themselves. We get benefits. We get paid time off. We ALSO don’t have to recruit other nurses!!!! Sheesh. Even in a pandemic I’d still rather be a nurse than in an MLM. And if I saw ANY person trying to recruit any of my ER patients, they would be getting one heck of an earful from me. That kind of behaviour is PREDATORY and unbelievably disgusting.
*And* what you do is actual medical science based on formal testing and RESULTS, not spiritual mumbo jumbo with no proven effectiveness.
I'm all for spiritualism and philosophy and self-care, but using those ideas to sell products that have no proven physical/mental benefit is just skeevy as hell. I'm just a cosmetologist but you wouldn't catch me dead trying to sell stuff to my clients that didn't consistently show good results.
@@HexIsme yes!!! Nurses got canned because they were no longer practicing to those standards of evidenced based practice. There is a ton of room for other health modalities as long as they are not harmful and are still practiced along side modern therapies. But some people take it way too far.
@@HexIsme Don't say you're "just" a cosmetologist. Being a cosmetologist is a respectable career, be proud of yourself! 😊
Ive seen this video a few times from different creators and the comments about nursing infuriate me so much. There’s a reason there are licenses for certain professions.. these two are so naive. Plus, it’s nurses who will take care of you no matter what and also complete check ups and care for your children so they stay healthy. These two probably wouldn’t even entertain a conversation with someone if it didn’t benefit them in some way.
Yes! The stethoscope thing got me, too, just shows how little they know. Not all stethoscopes are made the same. Not all ears are the same. When it could be a matter of life or death, having tools that work for you matter!! It's embarrassing to watch these truly uneducated women blather on and contradict themselves left and right.
Imagine being so self-righteous that you LAUGH at someone going to university to better themselves, to get into a career that our society desperately needs: health care professionals, teachers, social workers et al.
Ragging on these professions because of broken beaurocracy doesnt fix it. We still need these professions- we dont need more "stuff to buy" 🙄
Can you imagine if every underpaid professional left their career to join an MLM? Who would they see when they needed a medical treatment? Where would they send their children to be educated?
Yeah, that was definitely wild. What’s crazier is that they think someone making money as a nurse is going to make more money in an MLM scheme., regardless of student loan debt….
Yeah, that was definitely wild. What’s crazier is that they think someone is going to believe making money as a nurse is going to make more money in an MLM scheme., regardless of student loan debt….
And then they go on and on about how many hours nurses and teachers work just to have to work a second job, when they constantly do this boss babe crap that says you have to hustle, hustle, hustle, and spout about how you can work from your phone while cooking dinner and managing kids and running errands….
If JL is "so grateful for the exposure," then why does she send *cease & desist* letters to anti-mlmers?
😂 the contradictions just never end
NAILED IT lol
I guess it's her way of expressing that gratitude 😂
What an interesting question!!!
And call them ugly trolls…
God, the mean girl cackle when they talk about higher education. They think they’re soooooo smart 🙄 imagine if the world had no more dentists, doctors, lawyers, pilots, nurses, psychologists cause they all decided to shill shampoo instead
OMG what a mess the world would be
@@tetianaezeh865 well she isn't laughing now.
@@mikesanders8621wait what happened?!!? I’m so behind on tea I watch things out of order and only get info from Yt vids lmao
I find it ultra fascinating that anti-MLM content creators can react to MLM content for educational purposes FOR HOURS, but MLM distributors can't react to anti-MLM content for educational purposes because THEY CAN'T and it might show their followers the gaps in the "opportunity". All they do is call them "haters", circle jerk each other like this, and say not to watch them.
Seriously 😂 talk about an echo chamber
I would love to see one person in an MLM that became successful just from selling the products, not recruiting, not buying the products themselves to buy rank. That would be like finding a unicorn.
I feel like finding an actual unicorn would be easier
I’ve been a nurse for 4 years now. Not one of my coworkers has a second job bartending/waitressing/etc due to “low payment.” Most of the girls I work with are the primary breadwinners of their households working their 3 12 hour shifts.
Me 🤚🏼🤚🏼
Especially with travel nursing becoming more popular, there’s so much money to be made in nursing!
So true! Even before I started travel nursing, I was the breadwinner of my relationship. Any other hustles are just for fun!
So true! And if we have a second job it is another nursing job, not some job waiting tables. Nursing pays way more.
Yay for nurses! ❤
'You get paid for the exact amount of work you do.'
Litterally, no, no you don't.
I just spent 4 hours, at home, learning a new software for work.
I bet I got paid more than ANY MLMer made during their zoom meetings.
And guess what, my pay wasn't dependent on getting other people to join my job. Imagine that.
This makes me so angry because they’re SO condescending about their “business”, but they contribute less than nothing to society compared to any random minimum wage worker they love to talk down to. We need baristas and restaurant staff, we’d be fine without mlms.
Exactly. I'd love to see the reaction of huns when their local Starbucks closes or there's no vegetables in the grocery store, because all minimum wage workers have quit and started working in an mlm company instead.
So true
The lovely girl who hands me my McDonalds does more for society than they do.
I had absolutely 0 interest in MLM drama, but... now I can't stop watching your videos! I love the way you break everything down. I realized how important this is. It really isn't "drama", it's far more serious than that. Keep up the good fight.
B*ssLee: _The anti-MLM movement is so anti-women!_
Also B*ssLee literally the next second: _spouts sexist stereotypes_
Every time I see a training of hers it feels like she tosses in a “studies show women are natural this and that” and it’s like SHOW ME THE MEDICAL JOURNAL FROM WHERE YOU CITED THAT
Well she also thinks Dr. Phil is an authority in psychology
stereotypes exist for a reason tho. they re ofren accurate
@@_stillborn they're often accurate if you agree with them. which says a lot more about you than anything. racist, sexist, homophobic etc. stereotypes are not often "accurate" but are commonly thought to be so. because guess what? people are stupid, prejudiced, and don't think with their brains. people like you!! omg!
I think I'm not a real woman, because I would be terrible at selling. I'm an introvert and the thought of pitching people terrifies me xD.
I just love the over arching theme of “get freedom from having to work so much and have a 9-5, time freedom, blah blah blah blah, but if your MLM isn’t successful it’s because you aren’t working hard enough”.
It's so disgusting.
The cognitive dissonance is *unreal*
Jessie Lee: You get paid for the exact amount of work you do.
Also Jessie Lee: *Laughs at the idea of someone quitting after working for 2 weeks straight and not getting a paycheck.*
Hannah. My hair has officially burst into flames over this video.
Think Monat can fix that?
Don't worry your hair bursting into flames is part of the "detoxing process" and totally normal, no need to put it out!
@@AllLifeIsTravesty 🤣
LMFAOOO!!! This comment made my day.
Damn that was a good one 😂😂😂
I might need to click away from the video because these predatory bullies are so infuriating. Awful people. Also, one of them keeps steamrolling the other. I pity those who must interact with these people in real life.
The fact that they’re implying being part of an MLM is better than being a nurse is beyond me. DELUSIONAL 🤦🏻♀️
If I had a penny for every time B*ssLee mentioned her "story" I'd be richer than 90% of the people in her downline.
wait, you probably already are
🤣
@@alondraprietomartinez omg, we share the same name!!
Love that boss lee’s response to the ratio of women involved in MLMs is “women be shopping”
Ignoring that more men are in the real sales field than women.
Seems pretty anti-women to assume that the majority of women joining MLMs need extra money for DISCRETIONARY items rather than essentials like rent/groceries.
I was a victim of sexual assault years ago when I was a kid and I could very well be a predator now that I am an adult and CAN have power over people.
Many abusers actually follow that exact path. So yeah, you CAN be both. At the same time and at different times.
its wild how they act like the cycle of abuse doesn’t exist
100%
Proud you broke that cycle though dude
Yep! You can be both!!
Exactly what I've been thinking. The grooming that goes on in mlm is unreal! It's predatory!
I recently found this channel and cannot get enough. Luckily, I am a little late to the game and there are plenty of videos for me to binge. Now, with this one, I am only ten minutes in and already cannot believe what I am seeing! I have had some struggles in life. I have not always made the best decisions or been able to manage impulses. And I am SO grateful that I no longer buy into these statements that there is something wrong with me for every single thing that has happened. Sure, there is much that I need to take responsibility for. However, there are so many things that life throws at people that are completely out of anyone's control. Now, people telling people lies trying to get them to spend money and trying to get their hopes up about a large paycheck that won't happen...that they will keep chasing by spending their own money seems like a decision that is pretty calculated.
Thank you for these videos!!
How can they call paying for licensing renewals a scam. They ask their downline to pay to go to yearly conference to hear the same self help, you go girl speech.
How much do they have to pay every year by buying their own products to maintain their active status or rank?
@@snailmailbox7298 hundreds if not thousands. Most mlms require you to buy your inventory. AKA you need to buy what you'll be selling- but not at a low bulk business price..
My jaw dropped at the very same time your did when she said, a new pool to recruit from. Omg. And by the way… Jinx😂
I love how she’s pretending to have any knowledge about psychology and then says things like “ it doesn’t make logical sense for a victim to become a predator” 🙄🙄 girl lol statistically, victims who don’t have support or get help end up being predators like wtf?!
It happens all the time!! So many victims of many crimes never heal from them and end up commuting the same types of crimes. Victims need support and therapy because going through shit alone is so hard.
It’s almost like she hasn’t heard the iNCREDIBLY common phrase, the cycle of violence, or the cycle of abuse. She’s truly lived a privileged life if this info hasn’t touched her. Or she’s ignoring it which is 10x worse.
plus that whole women are sharers stuff... yikes... 'male' and 'female' brain has been disproved so long ago
I think she just doesnt want to face the fact that she was a victim. She said her situation in a very mockey tone, even thought it was actually kind of serious. I think she doesnt want to seem weak or vunerable, and doesnt want to think that shes taking advantage of people who are in a bad spot either.
Right!
It's so strange to hear them struggle, verbally and online infront of thousands of people, to understand how you can go from a victim to a predator...What do you mean it makes no sense? Almost every form of abuse can be traced to the abuser being abused first...its common knowledge, common sense...just baffling to see the truth spill out of their mouths while acting confused - and they can't even see it
Unpopular opinion: Colleen doesn't like Jessie but she knows that her business is not going well and this collab might help her so she's putting on a happy face for the camera. She does not seem very invested in this video.
New to these vids, but Colleen strikes me as a Jessie Lee wannabe, the typical mean girls' minion.
Seemed more to me like JL was just steamrolling her and Colleen may have been left feeling like, "Am I just here to nod and agree with her? Will I ever get a chance to speak?" That was my take.
Omg, yess! Exactly what I was feeling!
Did Colleen even need to be in this call? She never finished a thought. Very awkward imo
I agree! This was the longest conversation I've ever seen someone having with only themselves. The lady on the bottom was just set decor of collar bones and smiling teeth.
I had to go back and look up who Boss Lee was and found out she passed of colon cancer at age 35 last year while trying to "naturally" cure herself. She became the victim of her own stubbornness and unceasing need to be right. Extremely sad.
Did not know that, now googling myself
This is my mothers 30th year as an educator on the elementary level.
Not only does she receive continuing education in the form of professional development, she gets compensated for it.
She gets to keep the lights on both at her house and in the minds of her young students because of this.
What a concept.
Daughter of a teacher here❤❤😭
As a man new to the MLM thing/scam and makeup videos, this is a complete overload. But Im doing my best, great channel
I can't believe I sat through this conversation again. Also, has anybody pointed out how Colleen has not a single original thought to contribute (not that any of their points are new or original). It's just JL rambling and Colleen widening her eyes in shock saying "RIGHT?!" then tripping over words when JL actually tries to throw the conversation to her.
I noticed that too… I wonder if Colleen regretted doing the interview afterwards.
@JamesQMurphy some interview! Jesse Lee cackling & talking about how very incredibly amazing she is!
Jesse is so obnoxious, I'm a little lost as to how she managed to recruit anyone. I hope I'm not being mean.. I'm just repelled by her entire approach and self-aggrandizing chatter.
@@ataylor1604 sameeeee
I agree….She had absolutely nothing to say, nothing to contribute. I was actually embarrassed watching her 🙈 it was soooooo cringe!
I can see how Hannah could be an effective teacher. Listening to her analyses of these calls is illuminating, even for seasoned folk like myself. I see straight through the hosts of the calls, but it's somehow interesting to hear what is readily observable to the discerning as voiced by a discerning person. Plus, Hannah is so well-spoken, intelligent, expressive and...downright surgical. Then, there is her calm, cool, and collected delivery of unassailable fact. Fabulous channel.
Yes, I have a Bachelor's in Nursing, and I am one month away from a Juris Doctorate. It's expensive, and it sucks the way this country treats higher education. But you know what I get when I'm done with school? I get an education that lasts my lifetime. I get an education that can help others sue companies and people that run pyramid schemes to scam people.
Hi Hannah. I’m a brand new subscriber and LOVE your work. As a hard of hearing person, I have a small suggestion - in future videos, when you want to add onscreen info, don’t put it at the bottom. since you’re brilliant and have subtitles on, they cover your little blue info drop boxes! So maybe add extra info at the top instead.
Keep up the good word girl, you’re an absolute badass!
Colleen is barely listening, since she's too busy eye-f'ing herself...which is why she kept losing her point 🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I'm dying over here
It’s so distracting and honestly gross. She’s making faces like it’s an Only Fans account.
Not my mom she didn't give 2 shits about me only my youngest sister
she looks so smug agreeing with these nonsensical points lol
@jenniferfriesen7691 finally someone said something! I thought I was just being judgy!
Watching this 2 years later and it is crazy how much has changed. Jessi Lee is gone and Rodan and fields is no longer an MLM.
It's so performative. I feel like they're just speaking to themselves in the camera and have totally dissociated from the actual humans involved. It's also so cringe-y that they think they did something and feel so smug.
Why is Colleen even there? Jesus, of all the words spoken, 99% of them came out of Boss Lee's mouth.
This was the best analysis of this video I’ve seen so far. Once again, you win the antiMLM RUclips space
She's kind of the best. I love her and Jessica the most, they're the most relaxed and the least likely to preach to their audience about anything
Hit comr you have a blue dot next to your username?
@@biancat7761 because I joined Hannah’s channel. I’m a member
You had so much grace during this whole trainwreck of a conversation between those two. Wow. I sat here, nearly unable to listen to them. Kudos to you as always. Their argument was ridiculous mental gymnastics ooh my god. Lord save us all.
This is how you know they know exactly what they are doing . they will many , many times literally explain it and then act like oh no it’s not that . The same way a person who was bullied can then become the bully the victim can become the predator. Amazing video!
Typical abusers were abused themselves, right?
Their commentary on nursing was really interesting to me. I'm a board certified nurse, I do not need to work a side hustle. In addition to a good income, I get job satisfaction from serving people. It's a win!
"I'm great at holding myself accountable"..JESSIELEE!! LOOK OUT FOR THAT BOLT OF LIGHTENING!!!
They are so horrifically obnoxious! I had such a hard time listening to them. Your analysis was excellent and you have such patience! Haha also I've admired your makeup in all your videos but didn't want to comment to avoid focusing on your appearance when you make such meaningful content. BUT I loved that you showed your routine on screen. Thank you!
I love how Kitty meows in agreement with you; even he knows mlms are a scam 😊
and anyone who has had a single mom would know damn well that if that single mom were to have 50 extra bucks a month, it would NOT be spent on themselves but on their children. It's so weird every time I hear mlm huns say that...
Right?! I'm not a single mom, but we're surviving on my partner's income alone right now, have been since late 2020. I start a part time job in September, and the first thing I thought of was I'd be able to spend a bit more money on my son for his birthday in October, and for Christmas. The second thing? Being able to purchase everything we need for baby 2 without dipping into savings.
The fact I could have extra money for myself never crossed my mind.
Not that parents don't deserve nice things as well - and should be able to treat themselves - but most parents I know think about how to make their kids lives better first.
THIS!
I know I'm late, but YES! For Christmas one year, I got a $50 gift card for Marshall's and what did I do? I bought a few cute outfits for my child and forced myself to buy a $5 candle for me lol.
@@lezliesmith3354 exactly. The only thing I've bought for myself since the baby was born was postpartum necessities like pads and pantiliners lol and I finally bought myself a new pair of work pants and a comfy bra...for nursing 🤣
The difference in buying your non slip shoes, you are guaranteed to get your “$80.00” investment back in a shift or two
that girl saying your family takes on your student loan debt when you die is a total lie. it literally gets discharged. LOVE YOUR CHANNEL BTW.
FOR REAL
yes I specifically asked this when I was deciding on the amount of my life insurance policy
Yes i was surprised hannah didnt mention that
I’ve pretty much stopped going on social media, and you and like 2 others (who have nothing to do with ani-mlm) are the only people I watch anymore. So I always appreciate you covering anything, even if there’s 30 other people covering the same thing. Because let’s be honest unless you’re talking about it I will have no idea. So thank you.
I will pay my money every 2 years to renew my pharmacy license, and I do not regret the massive amounts of money I spent getting that degree. Because I am actually filling a NEED in society, while doing something I love, and helping people. Does shilling overpriced ketone products (which...actual scam) or glorified Aveeno skincare actually put anything back into the world?
I do a yearly payment as a teacher and they look after all of the things needed to ensure the professionalism of all teachers. I also pay for my union fees and as a teacher I think it’s important and I know for a fact my union is strong. It’s all worth it. (Still wouldn’t mind a pay rise 😆)
So agree. I'm a licensed clinical social worker and I will happily pay those renewal fees because it's part of what makes my credentials and profession legitimate. People can report me to my licensing board if I behave unethically, we need licensing to keep people safe.
Please warn your customers about Cipro and the related drugs!!
@@DopamineDecor ??? One: I don't have customers; Two: Gonna need more details about what you want me to warn people about and what you mean by "related drugs". Like other fluoroquinolones? Other antibiotics? Other drugs that are white tablets? I counsel all patients on any medications that they are being prescribed with discharge from the hospital. This includes what the medication is for and how to take it, what they can expect for therapeutic effects and side effects, and any rare but concerning side effects that they may experience and what to do about that.
Omg the whole victim predator thing is making my brain hurt.
It is just like groomers and pedos. They find vulnerable people and get them into their grasp, some times those people grow up and hurt other vulnerable people.
Was the original person a victim? Yes
Are they the predator now? Yes
...how do they not grasp this concept.
How are they rich without having brains it's crazy
Your comments on professional licenses are spot on. I have my independent adjusters lisence I have to renew every 2 years with required continuing education credits. The thing is, I can take my license and go to another company. They can't take their starter kit from one MLM to another MLM.
I find it interesting in how pretty much all of these types of calls with two mlm huns going on and on about how great it is, there's always one that is just silent, nodding and getting interrupted and then there's one that's loud, rambling, speaking over the other one, constantly interrupting etc
The condescension of the short haired girl is repellent. She hated people who were successful so she assumes everyone is as petty and vindictive as she is? Jesse Lee has issues, I think we can all see that, but this other person gives me a bad feeling.
Ugh totally ! I’m hearing ya on that 💯
I was about to say the same thing. The amount of projection is REAL.
more proof they think everyone's brains and lives are exactly the same as theirs.
Well she obviously is obsessed with herself staring at her own picture it’s cringe af
do they not understand how the cycle of abuse works? literally the majority of abusers had been abused in the past.
Ok, I’m a nurse and I’ve been in an mlm. My job has always paid me. I show up and I get paid. With the mlm, I went live, I used the products, I reached out to people, I embarrassed myself because I thought that the extra $300 a month was worth it. It wasn’t. Let’s talk about paying to work. Most hospitals do payroll deduct or will reimburse you up to a certain amount for scrubs. If you’re spending 100k for your nursing degree you either have your masters or went to a super prestigious university. Also NONE of my friends are working second jobs waitressing or whatever. If they work extra jobs it’s because they want more money. I do agree that nurses and teachers are underpaid, especially teachers. Also, if you need need more than what you’re making while making decent money - it’s usually due to other circumstances. Yes debt exists but this generalization of nurses constantly struggling is not the norm. At least, not it the circle I know and that’s nurses in different areas in a whole state geographically and different facets of nursing. Also, there are nurses who travel and easily make 3k A WEEK. And another thing, of course licenses cost money! Don’t you have to pay for your driver’s license?! These two are delusional. I think they believe everything they are saying. It’s great to te found success but the majority won’t.
I’m a Nurse too, well said!
Yes! Most hospitals will help pay for you to advance your degree too, ans at the end of the day you have more knowledge and skills to rely on. I dont understand why protecting patients by requiring continuing education and making sure that our licenses are up to date is a bad thing either 🙃
My college degree plan was elementary education too until I realized how bad the job is… I’ve dropped out and moved states but I still want to get a degree and don’t even know where to start. I hate taking out loans and debt. It’s awesome you have a masters, I’m sorry you can’t use it. But I’m glad you are here to educate us too!
Watching Jessie in this video verses her in the live Erin and JulieJo reacted to last night is astounding. The persona she puts on for videos like these is so fake it's uncomfortable. And listening to Colleen talk is about a exciting as watching paint dry.
Colleen seemed completely lost here. I have to say though, as off the wall as JLW can act, Colleen’s smirking condescension is even more aggravating for me personally. Don’t get me wrong, they’re both awful. But there’s just something about Colleen that screams “I was a Mean Girl™️ in high school!”
Major respect to you for making it through the whole call. I had to watch in several sittings because it made me so frustrated. Thanks for all you do. I love your videos and the way you present the facts with compassion.
My CPR training is free through my employer, my license is $180 every 2 years, and I make over 6 figures. I have excellent benefits including 2 retirement funds, paid time off. I have often 5 days of between shifts. These women know nothing. How dare they laugh at my profession as a RN.
I am beyond impressed how you stay kind and rational while analyzing this videos. I truly appreciate your kind approach and that you never attack or demean these women who have been brainwashed by this horrible industry. Keep up the great work!
You're actually the only anti-MLM channel I'm subbed to, I really don't get recommended any other types of anti-MLM content, and frankly I think you make your points more than sufficiently enough that I don't need to hear a bunch of people saying the same thing to get it.
And honestly I'm so annoyed by the fact that the pyramid scheme even gets to go by such an innocuous tag as "multi-level marketing"--it is, it always has been and always will be, a PYRAMID SCHEME. A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Same here! I actually did start with watching illuminaughty, but I never subbed because I didn't love the style. I subbed to Hannah right away and watch her daily. 😍
Same! I didn't even know the anti-MLM community existed until I randomly watched one of Hannah's videos. I continued watching and subbed because of her delivery and well-researched information.
I recommend The Antibot and Not The Good Girl! 💯
It’s so frustrating also because to support the illusion of an MLM and make those on top rich, a ton of 9-5 “cubicle” jobs are required. People creating, branding, and distributing the crappy products they pretend to sell, the people with administrative positions in the mlm’s offices, etc. So then logically this whole idea of “wow everyone needs to wake up and quit their 9-5” is not only illogical, but also so short sighted.
"Your honour, I did not hit him with my car, that's impossible. I got in a car accident once when I was younger, so I couldn't have"
OK, I cannot express in words how much I love you and this channel. I'm not even one of the ladies who had a horrible MLM experience, although I acknowledge that MLMs are predatory and illegitimate. I love how you deconstruct these livestreams or posts, point by point, and are totally on-point and articulate. My issue with reaction channels is that they really don't say anything in a cohesive way. You are flawless.
You are the G.O.A.T.!!! I loved everybody's commentary on this, but I knew that you would specifically and eloquently (like always) break down all of her contradictions when it came to the concept of being the victim versus the predator; and pick apart each and every time she literally explained how she is exactly that. It is award worthy. You are awesome! Everything was amazing, but this is what I wanted to hear 😂.
They are the angriest 'happy' people I've ever seen. Is it a prerequisite to be angry and combative in order to join these scams?
JessieLee: I don't agree with cancel culture at all.
Also JessieLee: Makes several videos trying to cancel the anti-mlm community.
Yeah, okay.
Not to mention sending cease and desist letters to antiMLM content creators 😂
The delusion is DEEP. I especially love the “they don’t hate MLMs… they hate THEMSELVES.” 😂 That sounds like something someone would say thinking it makes them sound smart, when it really does the exact opposite. Bless their hearts.
She literally just answered her own question regarding why there aren't as many mlm videos on men.
Right?? Exactly what thought too. And 'the landlord raised my rent'?? Ma'am, that's no way to talk about your mother
@@davekaio5934 don't be talking about mama like that! 😂😂 it's like, do they even listen to what they say?!
and then she tried to justify it with bullshit gender essentialism about women being designed for selling 😭
Yeah, look at Black Oxygen Organics. It was led by a man, and there were PLENTY of anti-BOO videos and posts calling him out.
The dissonance is wild. It's so interesting how they don't understand how victims can become abusers (for lack of a better phrase). Hurt people can hurt people. Nothing they say makes sense. They come so close to hitting the mark and still miss it completely.
I love seeing your cats messing around in front of the camera. Watching mlmers preach about their opportunities is exhausting sometimes. So I absolutely love the random distractions/buffers. Also, I love your videos, you’re doing great!
So for me (and of course im late af) i find your views the most like mine. I love the other creators but appreciate your cadence and candor. Your tone really helps me and every glow up is just so on point exactly how i would do it. Your voice is very soothing and i like that you lean into it.
I’ve actually avoided watching this on other peoples channels because I knew how infuriating it would be. But you’re very calming so my blood pressure…well it’s not low but it’s stable. 😂
Omg her talking about putting a manual transmission car in neutral going downhill to save gas cracked me up... so she wore down her brakes faster because she wasn't relying on engine braking?
I’ve been quietly watching for months. I’ve already seen everyone else’s video on this stream. This was my favorite take. Thank you for being so clear on why it’s manipulative! It’s the first time I’ve seen someone not talk about themselves and really pick apart what they’re talking about (except for savi writes books)
Thank goodness that I was doing my puzzle in between listening to this video because from time to time I was just zooming out as I couldn’t stand their voices and the constant repeating of one and the same things over and over again! God!
"Are we a predator or are we a victim?" Um ma'am, I'm very sure there are birds out there that eat other animals that also get eaten by bigger animals. It is in fact possible to be both the predator and the prey.
Every time they come up with a new point, they really think they've done something by saying it out loud, but its always just as wack as the last idea lol
House cats are a great example. They are predators to smaller animals like birds and rodents but prey to larger animals like coyotes and eagles. Cats have really interesting behavior that comes from needing to simultaneously protect themselves from large predators and hunt small prey.
It’s mind boggling to me that these women can spend this much time thinking they’re “debunking things” and not think it’s sus? I’ve literally never had to give a “presentation” where I “debunk” other peoples comments about my job being a scam.
Hannah, I recently discovered your channel and I have to say you’re the best anti-MLM content creator out there. You *never* name call or bully, unlike some other creators, whose names I won’t mention; you simply flawlessly and logically debunk pro-MLM propaganda and are very entertaining while doing it.
then you might like Jessica Hickson too!
@@montarou-chi thank you! I’ve seen a couple of her videos before, but I still need to subscribe.
I feel the same way. I had unsubscribe from one creator because she was getting pretty toxic and overtime it really began to bother me. I think our job as an anti-MLM community is to react maturely and as respectful as possible, attacking the businesses, the business model and anyone who gets very inappropriate or abusive within that business model. Loved your comment!
The way they laugh at other peoples pain is vile.
A video could be talked about a million times, and I will always want YOUR take. You're one of my favs and many people value what you say. 💖
Thank you Kristy 🥺
@@HannahAlonzo you're welcome love!
Period!! ‼️💯
I feel the same!
So I just found your channel so I'm just catching up and leaving a comment 2 years after this video was posted. I keep coming back to the same memory when you talk about the cult like aspect of MLMs. I was in Mary Kay a little over 20 years ago when a documentary or made for TV movie came out about Mary Kay. They told all of us consultants to not watch it because it was false and showed Mary Kay in such a negative light...keeping us away from an other POV.
Secondly. Who are these ladies?!? They are so aggressive! How are you not a victim and predator at the same time??? That is literally what usually happens with victims of a specific type of abuse. They experience it and then prey and groom others that they then victimize the way they were.
Thank you for your content. So enlightening and very interesting! Wishing you all the best.
someone on reddit said they went to uni with colleen for her psych degree (a masters i believe) and said she was pompous and overconfident. i believe that.
some of the more successful MLMers seem like awful people... Hard to feel bad for them.
Ooooohhh! You are a teacher! That is why you have this amazing way to speak and explain.
I don't ever care if you're "late to the game", because you're the only antimlm creator that I watch regularly! 🤗 I always enjoy your honest, yet genuinely kind and thoughtful perspective!! 💕
I have never heard someone use this much self-deprecation and feigned humility to disguise their enormous ego
I can't understand how you stay so calm and well spoken throughout this, I'm only halfway and already infuriated
so agree. Can we collectively agree that manipulating people for "success" isn't success. Its basically manipulation culture as you point out. Im loving your videos. This was a genius idea and you are so well spoken with really important points.
Colleen claims that if it was male-dominated the anti-MLM movement wouldn't be so big...except I've seen _hundreds_ of videos about male-centric scams (Gary V, Tai Lopez, etc) and in fact, those videos are *harsher* than most anti-MLM videos I have ever seen.
There are PLENTY of male RUclipsrs bashing scam self-improvement courses targeted to men. Like that $18K weekend boot camp "designed" to turn out-of-shape white-collar workers into "real men." While MLMs certainly target vulnerable women, women do not have a monopoly on getting scammed.
Lol!!! "The men"
I remember the King of Queens episode where Doug joins the water filter pyramid scheme 🤣🤣 a true representation of an MLM lolol
It makes me happy to see a lot of these mlm ladies are spending their time in trying to “debunk” antimlm. At least they are spending less time trying to scam new people but putting the effort into continue to brainwashing their existing teams. I’ll wait by the sidelines to see how this all plays out. Thank you Hannah for being a face and voice for the anti mlm movement!! ♥️
Absolutely ! I want to get a couple people to find and have them try to sell me on a MLM. I would make them furious