Right? PTO lets you get paid while laying on the beach for 2 weeks, without worrying about someone in your downline dropping out and destroying your „business“ 😂
So far this year, I’ve taken three PAID mental health days off of work. And I still have plenty of PTO left for the year. These girls are so dumb sometimes 😂
...and when I have been home sick from past employment, using PTO/sick pay...legitimately getting paid while sleeping/napping. 😁 Yeah, as a benefit (etc.!) by working at my 9-5 job... 😁
I know i'm preaching to the choir here, but i HATE people who say "We all have the same 24 hours." It's absolutely ridiculous that people say that with a straight face. Someone said that to me when i was in university, and I said "i have to wait for the bus to pick me up from uni to drop me off at another bus stop before I could take another route to work. Am I supposed to work on my homework on a bus with no wifi? Am I supposed to work on group projects while I'm at my place of work? Oh right, I'm clearly not motivated enough, of course"
Yes! An 'influencer' here in the UK recently did an interview quoting that exact phrase and received huge backlash (not the first time she has made tone deaf statements)
I totally agree. Oprah would say it, so would Rachel Hollis. Not taking into account the nanny’s, the chefs, the house cleaners, the drivers, the trainers, the assistants they employ. It’s so offensive and just shows their privilege and how out of touch they are with the average person.
This is the same phrase the annoying gym rats say that people can’t make an excuse to not go to the gym. Like these are the same people who have NO jobs or their job is working AT THE GYM and have no kids. Your 24hrs is t the same as mine
Right? It's an idiotic thing to say. Even IF we all somehow had access to the exact same amount of time to do things, it doesn't take into consideration anything else that might affect our ability to do things in that span of time, like physical and mental health/ability. It's ignorant and selfish.
Yes! And different mental capacity as well. Some people do really well with a busy, structured, constantly working schedule, but it can also cause others to burn out quickly. And I would know, because I’m one of those people haha. Hearing about how these MLM people work every moment of every day just makes me exhausted. I wouldn’t last a week
Especially when compared to rich people. Rich people have personal chefs, personal house keepers, personal drivers, personal child caretakers. These things lit frees up so much of your 24/hrs to do whatever you want. Some of us don't get none of these
@@mosesyang4222Yes! We all have different resources. Even having a car or living close to work or the grocery store can be an advantage. While I have a lot of blessings, it makes me mad when people pull this garbage or the personal responsibility nonsense. It’s always privileged people who are so lacking in empathy, they can’t imagine that someone might have legit obstacles in their life or maybe they had a kid young and it’s been challenging to juggle everything. I’m sorry we can’t all be perfect like you, Mr/Mrs Holier Than Thou. Sorry to rant. This is one of my big triggers, and it didn’t help that I watched the LuLaRoe documentary last week, where the husband kept preaching this crap.
Even better is this chick is going to school and likely going to grad school while actually running a real small business. She is everything her "upline" could never be. I think her upline may have experienced a little inner turmoil in conversing an ACTUAL business owner lol
This!!! If theywant to go into sales.. there's so many opportunities out there that are not related to scams. Some sales jobs even have base salary with commissions on top and yearly bonuses! Not to mention actual benefits like insurance and 401k.
Binging your mlm playlist to bring me some comfort while I'm on my drive to the Polish-Ukrainian border to pick up my friends and deliver them to safety. It's a 13 hour drive, and I am very grateful to have something good to occupy my ears. Thank you for your hard work!
The woman in the second clip who quit is my personal hero: she stood her ground, stated facts, cited sources, disproved every lie, and didn't let them bully her. *Good for her.*
well, she's pitching a shampoo scam while wearing a wig ('cause I don't want to think that plasticky strands are real hair)... clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed... 😅
That woman who quit before she got in too deep is going to have a great future. She knows how to research, to learn, to honestly evaluate her own choices, to change her mind based on new information, and to stand up for herself firmly and with dignity. *I love her.*
Seriously, my son is 16 and works 20-30 hours a week, he got sick a few weeks ago and got 10 days off and they gave him paid time off to recover and he still has a few days worth of hours of PTO to claim if he's sick or needs a day off in the future and continues to earn more pto hours just because he's an employee. He's only been working 9 months. He also gets paid time and a half for working every other weekend. This is an entry level position and his first job. Mlm's are offering none of the basic benefits that are even offered to kids just starting off in the work world lol Her whole thing about taking a day off without worry is garbage in an MLM. Her job security pitch is even worse lol
"I was super sick, and instead of having *paid* time off without making any money, I was actually making income!" LOL she does know what "PAID time off" means right? XD Yikes!
Hannah - A thought I just had to add to the anti-MLM reasoning: The more an MLM grows, the less beneficial it is to the people who do it. It means less job security, less income, less opportunity. The more a traditional business grows, the more beneficial it is to the people who work there. It means *more* job security, *more* income and *more* opportunity. In a lot of ways, recruiting is just another thing sold as a business development strategy, when they're really stacking the deck against everyone they convince to join them. I hope that makes sense.
Hi, mind elaborating on the less job security for the MLM, please? I can see the bottom rungs of the pyramid don't have much security, but the upper people still have other rungs to pad a fall if people quit (like the Monat purges that Hannah often covers, lol).
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValleyi’ve been rewatching old videos and scrolling through the comments and saw this, and i have thoughts that could answer this. MLMs kind of have a life cycle. they’re founded, they grow slowly as their first recruits discover the business, they grow a little quicker as those people begin recruiting more people, and they skyrocket for a period of time. i think Hannah has said there’s evidence that years 4-7ish tend to be MLM’s best, lots of people are joining, making the top of the pyramid and the founders rich, but once market saturation is reached, and the lowest ranks can hardly recruit anyone, their profits start to hurt. the company continues to make money off of their reps, as they continue to buy their own personal stock of products that they use, or that they need to purchase to hit PV quotas or to hit or maintain ranks, but their main form of revenue (recruitment) slows way down. and when the opportunity worsens, people will begin to leave, either quitting MLMs altogether or jumping to a new one. from there the business slowly deflates, and as we’ve seen in the last year or so, many MLM companies have either shut down at that point of the life cycle, or they restructure away from the MLM business model, which leaves the reps without their job or without a major portion of their income. the opportunity dies away at that point, and everyone in the company suffers the loss. hope that helps answer your question! (about a year later lol)
I've always found the MLM view of passive/residual income fascinating - I get royalties from several books twice a year, the amounts are in the low thousands and I do absolutely nothing to make this happen (the publisher does). I could stay in bed for a year doing no work at all and these payments would still turn up. That's passive income, if you're hustling all day every day on your phone the income (if any) isn't passive.
I wish these people knew what the word ‘retire’ actually meant. My parents are retired, meaning they don’t work. These ladies work 10 times harder than they probably did in their former full time jobs.
I love to listen to these and laugh every day when I’m packing orders for my actual small business I started. The “what is BBB” sent me 😂😂😂 Thank you for sharing.
I have to say - this is one of those videos that explains nearly all of the “objections” perfectly. One that you send to a friend who may be considering joining an mlm OR who is trying to argue the factual issues. So well done and VERY well said!! 🙏
When you said "give me the dogs address and I'll send him toys" I couldn't help but to imagine the dog in a little doghouse with little house numbers on his little mailbox and it made me smile.
31:39 _"But do you really think that someone's up at 3 am shopping on the Monat website?"_ Hun in Patrick Star voice: OH BOY 3 AM! _buys $200 of personal inventory_
This channel is a blessing honestly. My mother was swindled into joining one of these pyramid schemes because she is very passive. She tends to be a people pleaser type of person so she can be easily manipulated unfortunately.. Literally I’ve tried EVERYTHING to get her to see that MLMs are not good business ventures. Anyway, I’m glad to say that I’ve had her watch this video and a few others from this channel and she is now in the process of escaping the MLM cult she joined. If anyone is empowering women it’s this girl running this genius channel!
I loved the part where she said you were going to make generational wealth with an MLM. If you start one maybe… Even if you’re a high earner, they expect you to spend money faster than you make it because you need to look successful and rich to help further the illusion.
Sorry for multiple comments! - I prioritized a full time day job (Monday - Thursday, 10 hr days) over my art small business because it truly gave me more time and mental freedom. It was exhausting having to be "online" and "available" 24/7 as a freelance artist. I'm so much happier being able to clock out of work and having the financial stability and space to continue building my actual non scammy small business. It also can make sales online at any time of day and doesn't require scamming other people....
“The more people you help, the more money you make.” That’s why people that give their lives to non-profits, inner-city teachers, and full time volunteers are all millionaires. Or, apparently if they REALLY wanted to help people, they would be in mlms, selfish mofos.
omg getting to see how someone quits an mlm word for word is the besttt so proud of her and hope we see more stories like that bc that would fire me up to quit too 😂
Love that this Monat girl used Johnson and Johnson as an example when they are still dealing with the baby powder lawsuits, was attempting to file bankruptcy and now are actually splitting into two companies in order to separate the consumer product lawsuits from their pharmaceutical company.
Monat really does suck, My mom got some and I used it once when I was staying at her house. It made my hair so greasy! And also just to put it out there I don't necessarily trust the BBB anymore. once I registered my business as an LLC I started getting offers from them to pay for an A+ Better Business bureau rating.. so apparently you can just buy good standing from the BBB now.
i dont really know about the BBB (im not from the US), but this just makes Monat look even worse in my eyes, if they wont even pay for a better review, idk
Omg I burst out laughing when she said "residal" income. I shrieked. I don't like to make fun of people for the way they speak, but something about huns manipulating people makes it feel okay 😂 She was so clearly spouting off words she read on an infographic, without thinking about what she was actually saying. MLM is the absolute opposite of residual income or passive income.
Do they realize that small businesses often just close to take time off and no one has to hold the fort? Customers just come back after the owners reopen? My coffee Roasters just went to visit their son in Italy for 3 weeks and I made sure to get coffee right before so I has enough until they got back
Ok the dog toy drive really got me. I'm part of an animal rescue and we get MLM reps try to do a find raising party for us regularly. The answer is always NO. For anyone reading this, please find out the rescue or shelter where that animal is and just donate directly to them.
Two things: First, you mentioned that someone will be watching this video (and getting ads) in a year. Hi, it's me. I'm watching a year after you posted. Second, I am an author, and the way you described the money is pretty darn accurate. (I'm honestly impressed. Author money is so mysterious to most people outside the industry.) Many of us (if we publish with a larger publishing house) actually make advances, so we get a chunk of money upfront (and upon completing different parts of the contract), and then once we "earn through" the advance, we begin making royalties, which is what you mentioned. Not all books earn through their advances (it's totally normal not to!), but it's really nice when they do. I have a few book that have earned through, so I'm still making *new* money on books that published in 2015 and 2016.
The first hun actually reminded me of Jessica Hickson speaking about how she was always freaking out that the business would fall apart if she distanced herself just a little bit. That's definitely not the same as having PTO, quite the opposite, really.
My why was my family and I failed therefore I must not care about my family enough, absolutely heartbreaking to hear that/feel that as a mom of young kids. And these women boast about how much they are called to help moms come home through Monat and then shame them when they aren’t making sales/recruits.
Update on the second video, she has since removed all of her monat content off of her Instagram and never posts stories about it anymore, also haven’t been seeing her Escalade in any of her Instagram posts or stories either. She’s always been a mean girl, and funny enough I went to high school with her. Made my day seeing her in your video 😂😂😂
It really shows that you're so much more confident, assertive, and passionate in these videos than when you first started - but what has stayed the same is how amazingly eloquent you are on this topic. Thank you so much for putting these videos together every week!
They’re so well researched, too. She’s like an investigative journalist. I hope she doesn’t lose the sass, though. Her reactions are the perfect complement to her well polished delivery. I especially love the eye rolls. She really captures what I’m feeling.
I signed up for “free samples” with Monat last year…. It was an entire ordeal. They say just pay shipping. I was charged $12 CAD for shipping which I know only costs under $5 (I work for the post office). I got 2 samples. What actually happened: I was charged $48 and immediately tried to cancel and my friend the rep tried to cancel, I was told they would refund me and cancel the sample order. After over an hour on the phone for each of us, my order was never cancelled and weeks later I got my samples. I tried the face wash samples and immediately broke out in an awful, painful and hideous rash all over my face. The rash wouldn’t leave for over 2 weeks, despite only using the product once. I’ve never experience any sort of rash before or since then. Awful. Never again.
I knew someone that joined monat, and she persuaded my mom to buy some shampoos. However my mom was charged over 3 months nearly $100 dollars each month and when she went to cancel it was very difficult and customer service was really resistant. My mom didn't sign up as a sales person she just purchased as a customer to help the person. Very shady company!
Ugh. This is just as bad as a "friend" of mine once shared that if she got orders every day for a month, she'd FINALLY take her kids to disney. Used them in the graphic. Posted videos of them begging people for orders. It was disgusting. People will do anything to sell their mlm products.
The monthly charge was more than likely the autoships. Even as a MP you are still signed up for auto shipments and they make it super hard to get out of it.
I love the lady that did some cursory research, found all she needed to know and was like "Nah dog .... I'm out!" Also side not the BBB is not the trustworthy site I once thought it was when I learned that their paying customers often keep good grades even when they lose court battles and have to settle. CNN Money ( not my favorite publication for sure lol) did a small expose on the BBB it was interesting.
In the US, 55% of pharmacists are women. Pretty sure this profession alone turns out more 6 figure-earning women than network marketing. I hate this pseudo-statistic more than most things they spew.
@@LimorG Yes. Per US News: Pharmacists made a median salary of $128,710 in 2020. The best-paid 25 percent made $147,690 that year, while the lowest-paid 25 percent made $112,690. Starting salary is usually around $110,000, depending on the state (Cali is around 140 starting)
39:16 She didn’t promise it will pay off, she just promised it will change your life, for better or for worse. If you loose a shit ton of money it still changes your life
Is that Monat upline looking at who is on calls and harassing her downline who aren’t? Ew. What happened to it being your own business and you can set your own hours and decide for yourself what you do or don’t want to do? 🙄
A word of caution - the BBB is not 100% trustworthy. It's ok as just one tool to check company reliability, but companies can pay the BBB for certification.
That motivational speaker that said "you can never go backwards" 🤣 I mean, unless The people in your downlines start dropping out like flies as they always do, or you don't meet your monthly quotas...
I feel bad for the “residull” income girl. She seems really stupid , like not even being snarky, but simply just unintelligent. Sad. The gal who texted back with sources is my hero!!! And to Hannah really like how you clearly explain things, I can almost copy and paste your words into a message if I’m ever approached with this crap.
Either really stupid or intoxicated in some way. She sounded like she either had no idea what she was saying (reading a script she couldn't even comprehend) or she could not give a crap about any of it.
The bullies in these pyramid scheme uplines are probably shocked when they get pushback. 👏🏼to the woman who left. The panic radiating from the texts of the upline was palpable. She realized she went too far. As a business owner 🙄shouldn’t she be prepared with information to counter any objections from customers/down lines regarding negative press? She was flailing and it was pretty great.
Great video! I wish I could send this to everyone I know who is still living in the “MLM Nightmare World!” Love how you break down everything and explain it so well. Everyone, MLM or not, needs to educate themselves on these “cults.” Wish your channel had been around in my past with the MLM world.
The one with the dog pisses me off. Actually it Always pisses me off when a company says "for every ........you purchase we will donate.........". Either donate the money or not. Then they come back and say "Company A donated $_____to Charity B". No they didn't. Their customers did!!!!! Sorry for my soapbox. Hit a nerve.
Errr since when was a company you work for paying you on time a flex? That’s what the absolute vast majority of companies do, it’s considered to be extremely bad practice to not.
Clip 5 - It's been possibly 5+ years since I got scammed with my Kagen water filter. The way they get you in is the fact that the water filters cost so much so the commissions are quite large. What they don't tell you, is that making that one sale is hard AF. I've seen/witnessed the Enagic in person presentation. The number of times you'd have to do it then overcome the hurdle that most people don't have $5k ... yeh. Struggle. Also, they don't realise that once someone has bought one.. they don't buy 'more'. That's it.
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“I didn’t have to take Paid Time Off”
GIRL YOU DONT EVEN HAVE PAID TIME *ON* 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂100% there.
HAHAHA YEP
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭💀
This is the truest comment.
I died 💀😂
I love how she talked about paid time off like it's a bad thing. Like... it's time... you can use to do nothing... while being paid... 😬😂
Right? PTO lets you get paid while laying on the beach for 2 weeks, without worrying about someone in your downline dropping out and destroying your „business“ 😂
She didn't have to take PTO...didn't have to worry about not making money...did have to worry about not making sense.
So far this year, I’ve taken three PAID mental health days off of work. And I still have plenty of PTO left for the year. These girls are so dumb sometimes 😂
I didnt trust her the second i seen her wearing a sun hat indoors 😅
...and when I have been home sick from past employment, using PTO/sick pay...legitimately getting paid while sleeping/napping. 😁 Yeah, as a benefit (etc.!) by working at my 9-5 job... 😁
Upline: “You won’t be stuck, you can quit whenever you want”
New recruit: “I want to quit right now”
Upline: “No, not like that”
OMG this is exactly what happened, wasn’t it?? 😂💀
This is the most accurate thing I’ve ever heard! 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Monat “won every settlement”? That’s one way of saying Monat was forced to settle
I am ashamed to admit that I didn’t even catch that it was “settlement”!!! That just tells me she has no idea what a settlement is 🤣
I know i'm preaching to the choir here, but i HATE people who say "We all have the same 24 hours." It's absolutely ridiculous that people say that with a straight face. Someone said that to me when i was in university, and I said "i have to wait for the bus to pick me up from uni to drop me off at another bus stop before I could take another route to work. Am I supposed to work on my homework on a bus with no wifi? Am I supposed to work on group projects while I'm at my place of work? Oh right, I'm clearly not motivated enough, of course"
Yes! An 'influencer' here in the UK recently did an interview quoting that exact phrase and received huge backlash (not the first time she has made tone deaf statements)
I totally agree. Oprah would say it, so would Rachel Hollis. Not taking into account the nanny’s, the chefs, the house cleaners, the drivers, the trainers, the assistants they employ. It’s so offensive and just shows their privilege and how out of touch they are with the average person.
This is the same phrase the annoying gym rats say that people can’t make an excuse to not go to the gym. Like these are the same people who have NO jobs or their job is working AT THE GYM and have no kids. Your 24hrs is t the same as mine
Right? It's an idiotic thing to say. Even IF we all somehow had access to the exact same amount of time to do things, it doesn't take into consideration anything else that might affect our ability to do things in that span of time, like physical and mental health/ability. It's ignorant and selfish.
Everyone sure does have the same 24 hours, but not everyone has the same physical/mental capabilities, schedules, or money to afford help...
We all have the same 24 hours in a day but our responsibilities in those 24 hours are vastly different.
Yes Barbara!! I feel so validated by this comment. Thank you! ❤
Yes! And different mental capacity as well. Some people do really well with a busy, structured, constantly working schedule, but it can also cause others to burn out quickly. And I would know, because I’m one of those people haha. Hearing about how these MLM people work every moment of every day just makes me exhausted. I wouldn’t last a week
Especially when compared to rich people. Rich people have personal chefs, personal house keepers, personal drivers, personal child caretakers. These things lit frees up so much of your 24/hrs to do whatever you want. Some of us don't get none of these
@@mosesyang4222Yes! We all have different resources. Even having a car or living close to work or the grocery store can be an advantage. While I have a lot of blessings, it makes me mad when people pull this garbage or the personal responsibility nonsense. It’s always privileged people who are so lacking in empathy, they can’t imagine that someone might have legit obstacles in their life or maybe they had a kid young and it’s been challenging to juggle everything. I’m sorry we can’t all be perfect like you, Mr/Mrs Holier Than Thou. Sorry to rant. This is one of my big triggers, and it didn’t help that I watched the LuLaRoe documentary last week, where the husband kept preaching this crap.
That text exchange is wild. You can’t be “your own boss” and then be expected to be on every call and report to an upline like they’re your manager.
Even better is this chick is going to school and likely going to grad school while actually running a real small business. She is everything her "upline" could never be. I think her upline may have experienced a little inner turmoil in conversing an ACTUAL business owner lol
Don’t forget the conventions!
"Your 9-5, everything is capped."
Who wants to tell these people that there are corporate sales jobs that literally offer uncapped commission.
Also, it’s not really capped? If you are good enough you can negotiate your way to a ton of money.
@@Daaaanielle underrated comment 🤣 so true!!
This!!! If theywant to go into sales.. there's so many opportunities out there that are not related to scams. Some sales jobs even have base salary with commissions on top and yearly bonuses! Not to mention actual benefits like insurance and 401k.
Even inside sales with no commission would be better than an MLM. At least your given a base salary and it's usually a pretty good one
Plus there’s bonuses if I’m not wrong. I’ve been a stay at home mom for awhile
Binging your mlm playlist to bring me some comfort while I'm on my drive to the Polish-Ukrainian border to pick up my friends and deliver them to safety. It's a 13 hour drive, and I am very grateful to have something good to occupy my ears. Thank you for your hard work!
Sending you so much love. I hope your trip is okay and that all of your loved ones are safe. 💛 💙
Wow, thinking of you right now in this very difficult time!
oh my goodness i hope you all have a safe trip. sending love! 💓
Godspeed. I'm half Russian half Ukrainian and this situation is so awful.
Hope you all get back safely 💜
The woman in the second clip who quit is my personal hero: she stood her ground, stated facts, cited sources, disproved every lie, and didn't let them bully her. *Good for her.*
I thought the whole exchange was stupid. Just say i looked into the company and no longer interested.
@@Kimi1968ful
Why not make the ignorant upline sputter a bit?
It was so creepy when the texting up-line said “done with my rant, lol. I appreciate you.” Shaming and then false affection. Yikes!
"I told you I'm going to be hard on you" yeah, abusers "warn" their victims too, doesn't make the abuse ok
I was hotly pursued by an MLM couple when I was in university and they used the same tactics. I didn't even sign up and they wouldn't quit. 😬
Toxic positivity
Hun: I didn't have to take pto when I was sick.
No. You didn't *get* to take pto when you were sick. That's a huge difference.
EXACTLY!!
When she said, “residull income” literally all expression left my face. Just as my hope for humanity left my body. 🤦🏻♀️
I agree. We all died a little on the inside.
I remember when someone used that term when trying to get me to join an MLM haha. BUH BYE :)
I just thought I was having a stroke and my brain just decided to destroy the word residual.
well, she's pitching a shampoo scam while wearing a wig ('cause I don't want to think that plasticky strands are real hair)... clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed... 😅
As for the pronunciation, I think that's how the British pronounce it.
I love how she explicitly said "verbal contract". She wants no record of this ambassador crap tied to her when it hits the fan.
I have been "fired" from an mlm before. The more I watch the more I take pride in that statement.
That woman who quit before she got in too deep is going to have a great future. She knows how to research, to learn, to honestly evaluate her own choices, to change her mind based on new information, and to stand up for herself firmly and with dignity. *I love her.*
the polite disregard for all her upline's objections is everything I aspire to
My favorite part “what is bbb?” They claim to be “entrepreneurs” and don’t know about a very common business website. Hmmmm 😂
Seriously, my son is 16 and works 20-30 hours a week, he got sick a few weeks ago and got 10 days off and they gave him paid time off to recover and he still has a few days worth of hours of PTO to claim if he's sick or needs a day off in the future and continues to earn more pto hours just because he's an employee. He's only been working 9 months. He also gets paid time and a half for working every other weekend. This is an entry level position and his first job. Mlm's are offering none of the basic benefits that are even offered to kids just starting off in the work world lol Her whole thing about taking a day off without worry is garbage in an MLM. Her job security pitch is even worse lol
"I was super sick, and instead of having *paid* time off without making any money, I was actually making income!" LOL she does know what "PAID time off" means right? XD Yikes!
Hey hun have you ever thought about paying to have time off in these trying times?
@@lipglass LOL 😂 👍
I love that the anti-mlm youtubers literally have spies in these companies lmao. Pyramid scheme double agents. MLM espionage. Love it lol
It truly is the best 🤣❤️
Lol
SpyxFamily, anti-MLM edition 😅
Hannah: "People probably won't be clicking on this 20 years down the road."
Me: Clicking on it 2 years later.
There's still hope.
Was just about to comment the same thing but then saw yours hahah
fellows 2-years-later ers!! wooo!!
Yes! Me!🙋🏻♀️
Oh my God, if *anyone* ever spoke to me the way that upline did to her recruit in the second clip I would have thrown hands, truly.
imagine being expected to go to meetings that you're not paid for, and if you can't attend your boss flips out 🤔
Hannah - A thought I just had to add to the anti-MLM reasoning:
The more an MLM grows, the less beneficial it is to the people who do it. It means less job security, less income, less opportunity.
The more a traditional business grows, the more beneficial it is to the people who work there. It means *more* job security, *more* income and *more* opportunity.
In a lot of ways, recruiting is just another thing sold as a business development strategy, when they're really stacking the deck against everyone they convince to join them.
I hope that makes sense.
Such a great point!
Hi, mind elaborating on the less job security for the MLM, please? I can see the bottom rungs of the pyramid don't have much security, but the upper people still have other rungs to pad a fall if people quit (like the Monat purges that Hannah often covers, lol).
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValleyi’ve been rewatching old videos and scrolling through the comments and saw this, and i have thoughts that could answer this. MLMs kind of have a life cycle. they’re founded, they grow slowly as their first recruits discover the business, they grow a little quicker as those people begin recruiting more people, and they skyrocket for a period of time. i think Hannah has said there’s evidence that years 4-7ish tend to be MLM’s best, lots of people are joining, making the top of the pyramid and the founders rich, but once market saturation is reached, and the lowest ranks can hardly recruit anyone, their profits start to hurt. the company continues to make money off of their reps, as they continue to buy their own personal stock of products that they use, or that they need to purchase to hit PV quotas or to hit or maintain ranks, but their main form of revenue (recruitment) slows way down. and when the opportunity worsens, people will begin to leave, either quitting MLMs altogether or jumping to a new one. from there the business slowly deflates, and as we’ve seen in the last year or so, many MLM companies have either shut down at that point of the life cycle, or they restructure away from the MLM business model, which leaves the reps without their job or without a major portion of their income. the opportunity dies away at that point, and everyone in the company suffers the loss. hope that helps answer your question! (about a year later lol)
I've always found the MLM view of passive/residual income fascinating - I get royalties from several books twice a year, the amounts are in the low thousands and I do absolutely nothing to make this happen (the publisher does). I could stay in bed for a year doing no work at all and these payments would still turn up. That's passive income, if you're hustling all day every day on your phone the income (if any) isn't passive.
I gotta get a publisher
I wish these people knew what the word ‘retire’ actually meant. My parents are retired, meaning they don’t work. These ladies work 10 times harder than they probably did in their former full time jobs.
I love to listen to these and laugh every day when I’m packing orders for my actual small business I started. The “what is BBB” sent me 😂😂😂 Thank you for sharing.
I am just so sick of them talking about the “impact” they’re making. It’s an impact, but it’s not a good one, Jessica. 😂
'you make money without having to work 24/7 but also if you didn't make money it's because you're not working hard enough'
I have to say - this is one of those videos that explains nearly all of the “objections” perfectly. One that you send to a friend who may be considering joining an mlm OR who is trying to argue the factual issues. So well done and VERY well said!! 🙏
Wow, that’s a wonderful compliment thank you!!
When you said "give me the dogs address and I'll send him toys" I couldn't help but to imagine the dog in a little doghouse with little house numbers on his little mailbox and it made me smile.
During clip 5 one of his bragging points was that they will pay you on time...as if its normal for jobs not to pay you on time
Apparently the only jobs they ever had were for their shady broke cousin
28:18 "clicking on it in a year"
Saying hi from a year and a half in the future 👋🏻
I just took 2 paid days off because I felt like it. I still have 7 weeks of paid time off not counting paid holidays. Girl bye
31:39 _"But do you really think that someone's up at 3 am shopping on the Monat website?"_
Hun in Patrick Star voice: OH BOY 3 AM! _buys $200 of personal inventory_
😂😂😂 This is so funny
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This channel is a blessing honestly. My mother was swindled into joining one of these pyramid schemes because she is very passive. She tends to be a people pleaser type of person so she can be easily manipulated unfortunately.. Literally I’ve tried EVERYTHING to get her to see that MLMs are not good business ventures. Anyway, I’m glad to say that I’ve had her watch this video and a few others from this channel and she is now in the process of escaping the MLM cult she joined. If anyone is empowering women it’s this girl running this genius channel!
You literally made me cackle at “residal income” 😂 Your reaction was exactly mine!
Oh my goodness I couldn't help it!!
Hahahahh same!!!
I loved the part where she said you were going to make generational wealth with an MLM. If you start one maybe… Even if you’re a high earner, they expect you to spend money faster than you make it because you need to look successful and rich to help further the illusion.
Sorry for multiple comments! - I prioritized a full time day job (Monday - Thursday, 10 hr days) over my art small business because it truly gave me more time and mental freedom. It was exhausting having to be "online" and "available" 24/7 as a freelance artist. I'm so much happier being able to clock out of work and having the financial stability and space to continue building my actual non scammy small business. It also can make sales online at any time of day and doesn't require scamming other people....
The upline was definitely rage texting 😂😂 I had to rewind and listen again…so funny “talking bas because they didn’t success in the business” 💀
“The more people you help, the more money you make.” That’s why people that give their lives to non-profits, inner-city teachers, and full time volunteers are all millionaires. Or, apparently if they REALLY wanted to help people, they would be in mlms, selfish mofos.
That's exactly what I thought. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
omg getting to see how someone quits an mlm word for word is the besttt so proud of her and hope we see more stories like that bc that would fire me up to quit too 😂
"we have won every settlement" tells me that person doesn't know what a settlement is
Love that this Monat girl used Johnson and Johnson as an example when they are still dealing with the baby powder lawsuits, was attempting to file bankruptcy and now are actually splitting into two companies in order to separate the consumer product lawsuits from their pharmaceutical company.
Monat really does suck, My mom got some and I used it once when I was staying at her house. It made my hair so greasy!
And also just to put it out there I don't necessarily trust the BBB anymore. once I registered my business as an LLC I started getting offers from them to pay for an A+ Better Business bureau rating.. so apparently you can just buy good standing from the BBB now.
i dont really know about the BBB (im not from the US), but this just makes Monat look even worse in my eyes, if they wont even pay for a better review, idk
Omg I burst out laughing when she said "residal" income. I shrieked. I don't like to make fun of people for the way they speak, but something about huns manipulating people makes it feel okay 😂 She was so clearly spouting off words she read on an infographic, without thinking about what she was actually saying. MLM is the absolute opposite of residual income or passive income.
“Hunsplaining”
@@hailbones6663 🤣🤣🤣
Do they realize that small businesses often just close to take time off and no one has to hold the fort? Customers just come back after the owners reopen? My coffee Roasters just went to visit their son in Italy for 3 weeks and I made sure to get coffee right before so I has enough until they got back
"Whats the BBB" IM DYING HERE!!!!
35:42 even the face of the lady in the promo pic is blurred LOL that cracked me up
None of the benefits of self-ownership but none of the benefits of having an employer
Ok the dog toy drive really got me. I'm part of an animal rescue and we get MLM reps try to do a find raising party for us regularly. The answer is always NO. For anyone reading this, please find out the rescue or shelter where that animal is and just donate directly to them.
Two things:
First, you mentioned that someone will be watching this video (and getting ads) in a year. Hi, it's me. I'm watching a year after you posted.
Second, I am an author, and the way you described the money is pretty darn accurate. (I'm honestly impressed. Author money is so mysterious to most people outside the industry.) Many of us (if we publish with a larger publishing house) actually make advances, so we get a chunk of money upfront (and upon completing different parts of the contract), and then once we "earn through" the advance, we begin making royalties, which is what you mentioned. Not all books earn through their advances (it's totally normal not to!), but it's really nice when they do. I have a few book that have earned through, so I'm still making *new* money on books that published in 2015 and 2016.
The first hun actually reminded me of Jessica Hickson speaking about how she was always freaking out that the business would fall apart if she distanced herself just a little bit. That's definitely not the same as having PTO, quite the opposite, really.
You nailed this one Hannah! You gave such a good summary of the scam of MLMs and the rampant victim blaming/ manipulation in Monat
My why was my family and I failed therefore I must not care about my family enough, absolutely heartbreaking to hear that/feel that as a mom of young kids. And these women boast about how much they are called to help moms come home through Monat and then shame them when they aren’t making sales/recruits.
I was not ready for "What's BBB?" LMAO. Honestly iconic.
Update on the second video, she has since removed all of her monat content off of her Instagram and never posts stories about it anymore, also haven’t been seeing her Escalade in any of her Instagram posts or stories either. She’s always been a mean girl, and funny enough I went to high school with her. Made my day seeing her in your video 😂😂😂
Great analysis, Hannah: it’s so difficult to acquire a customer (I mean small business owner), uplines are incentivized to lie
Upline: If you don't have what it takes, you can quit anytime you want!
Downline: Okay, I quit.
Upline: *surprised pikachu face*
😂😂😂
It really shows that you're so much more confident, assertive, and passionate in these videos than when you first started - but what has stayed the same is how amazingly eloquent you are on this topic. Thank you so much for putting these videos together every week!
They’re so well researched, too. She’s like an investigative journalist. I hope she doesn’t lose the sass, though. Her reactions are the perfect complement to her well polished delivery. I especially love the eye rolls. She really captures what I’m feeling.
those "calls" are nothing more than a pep rally. nothing useful is actually communicated during them.
27:12 Name ONE person who inherited all their wealth from a parent who got sucked into an MLM. I'll wait.
21:08 not in relation to a mlm job but I really needed to hear this today. Thanks
You don't "retire" when you leave your job to join an MLM .You are still working
I signed up for “free samples” with Monat last year…. It was an entire ordeal. They say just pay shipping. I was charged $12 CAD for shipping which I know only costs under $5 (I work for the post office). I got 2 samples.
What actually happened: I was charged $48 and immediately tried to cancel and my friend the rep tried to cancel, I was told they would refund me and cancel the sample order. After over an hour on the phone for each of us, my order was never cancelled and weeks later I got my samples.
I tried the face wash samples and immediately broke out in an awful, painful and hideous rash all over my face. The rash wouldn’t leave for over 2 weeks, despite only using the product once. I’ve never experience any sort of rash before or since then. Awful. Never again.
I knew someone that joined monat, and she persuaded my mom to buy some shampoos. However my mom was charged over 3 months nearly $100 dollars each month and when she went to cancel it was very difficult and customer service was really resistant. My mom didn't sign up as a sales person she just purchased as a customer to help the person. Very shady company!
So many of them say I promise it will change your life.. but that could mean it makes it worse. So they’re not lying 😑
Ugh. This is just as bad as a "friend" of mine once shared that if she got orders every day for a month, she'd FINALLY take her kids to disney. Used them in the graphic. Posted videos of them begging people for orders. It was disgusting. People will do anything to sell their mlm products.
Hannah is FEISTY today!
I'm less than five minutes in and already loving it! Haha 😘
I was a little sassier than normal 🤣
😂😂😂😂
The monthly charge was more than likely the autoships. Even as a MP you are still signed up for auto shipments and they make it super hard to get out of it.
I love the lady that did some cursory research, found all she needed to know and was like "Nah dog .... I'm out!" Also side not the BBB is not the trustworthy site I once thought it was when I learned that their paying customers often keep good grades even when they lose court battles and have to settle. CNN Money ( not my favorite publication for sure lol) did a small expose on the BBB it was interesting.
In the US, 55% of pharmacists are women. Pretty sure this profession alone turns out more 6 figure-earning women than network marketing. I hate this pseudo-statistic more than most things they spew.
Do pharmacists generally make 6 figures?
@@LimorG Yes. Per US News: Pharmacists made a median salary of $128,710 in 2020. The best-paid 25 percent made $147,690 that year, while the lowest-paid 25 percent made $112,690. Starting salary is usually around $110,000, depending on the state (Cali is around 140 starting)
Hannah!!! Loving the spiciness you brought in this video. 👏🏻 You are always so well spoken and bring the ‘mic drop’ facts EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Love the videos they get me through working from home. You look great as always, I don’t know how you do it. Keep making great videos x
39:16 She didn’t promise it will pay off, she just promised it will change your life, for better or for worse. If you loose a shit ton of money it still changes your life
Is that Monat upline looking at who is on calls and harassing her downline who aren’t? Ew. What happened to it being your own business and you can set your own hours and decide for yourself what you do or don’t want to do? 🙄
If I never hear the word "pour" again it'll be too soon!
I watch so many of these that I've come full circle to "Maybe I can do it???" Then I have to snap out of it.
That text exchange is amazing and the ex-recruit was awesome at how she decides that she’s having none of it.
When they say they "retired" it's because they started pulling from their 401k to pay for the MLM
They really don't understand the meaning of retirement 😂🤔
I am in fact watching this a year after it was posted so I’m making Hannah more residual income than any mlm hun has ever made.
A word of caution - the BBB is not 100% trustworthy. It's ok as just one tool to check company reliability, but companies can pay the BBB for certification.
That motivational speaker that said "you can never go backwards" 🤣 I mean, unless The people in your downlines start dropping out like flies as they always do, or you don't meet your monthly quotas...
I've been here since 10k and been rewatching this playlist the past couple days, I'm soo proud of you hannah! Almost 300k is crazy and so deserved!
28:28 2 years later here I am watching it
Same here! Blessing Hannah with "RESIDAL" income 😂
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This was a good one!! Your little graph explaining that "statistic" the girl from clip 3 cited gave me a good lol 😆Your common sense wins every time!
ONE OUNCE of common sense 🤣
You also don’t “win a settlement” especially when you’re the one paying it
That girl was a lot more respectful than I would’ve been! Wow, she’s being abusive in the name of “tough love”.
I feel bad for the “residull” income girl. She seems really stupid , like not even being snarky, but simply just unintelligent. Sad. The gal who texted back with sources is my hero!!!
And to Hannah really like how you clearly explain things, I can almost copy and paste your words into a message if I’m ever approached with this crap.
Either really stupid or intoxicated in some way. She sounded like she either had no idea what she was saying (reading a script she couldn't even comprehend) or she could not give a crap about any of it.
I love how on the first cuss word, the beep is right BEFORE the cuss. Like announcing it XD
this girl with the ambassador program thing might as well start her actual own business. she seems like an evil genius lol
The bullies in these pyramid scheme uplines are probably shocked when they get pushback. 👏🏼to the woman who left. The panic radiating from the texts of the upline was palpable. She realized she went too far. As a business owner 🙄shouldn’t she be prepared with information to counter any objections from customers/down lines regarding negative press? She was flailing and it was pretty great.
Great video! I wish I could send this to everyone I know who is still living in the “MLM Nightmare World!” Love how you break down everything and explain it so well. Everyone, MLM or not, needs to educate themselves on these “cults.” Wish your channel had been around in my past with the MLM world.
Just a tip: the $store can have a lot of great pet toys and accessories. We often do hauls for our shelter cats & doggos
I'm on clip 2 and i'm so proud of that girl for standing up for herself. Good for her for doing her research and not being manipulated into staying.
That text exchange was pure gold. So glad she shared it, and so glad you posted it.
The one with the dog pisses me off. Actually it Always pisses me off when a company says "for every ........you purchase we will donate.........". Either donate the money or not. Then they come back and say "Company A donated $_____to Charity B". No they didn't. Their customers did!!!!! Sorry for my soapbox. Hit a nerve.
I will be using your breakdown of exceeding the population of the earth with my math class, you lay it out so well.
Here from the future watching your videos... 42 is such a baby number now😊
Thank you for creating this content!
Errr since when was a company you work for paying you on time a flex?
That’s what the absolute vast majority of companies do, it’s considered to be extremely bad practice to not.
Clip 5 - It's been possibly 5+ years since I got scammed with my Kagen water filter. The way they get you in is the fact that the water filters cost so much so the commissions are quite large. What they don't tell you, is that making that one sale is hard AF. I've seen/witnessed the Enagic in person presentation. The number of times you'd have to do it then overcome the hurdle that most people don't have $5k ... yeh. Struggle. Also, they don't realise that once someone has bought one.. they don't buy 'more'. That's it.