ARROGANT Student Thinks His Degree Is “Worth More Than You”
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0:33 -College is a waste of time
2:44 - Jobs that doesn’t require degrees
4:43 - The institution
7:00 -Illusion of choice
12:00 - Could the culture around students change?
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Absolutely agree with defunding the universities and colleges and making them stand on their own. Especially when these institutions use their money to give scholarships to foreign students instead of being America first in everything.
As a freshman in college years ago at Washington State University I had to take GenED 110 and 110. Those two classes were The history of the world before 1500 AD and the history of the world after 1500 AD. They were required for every single student in any major to graduate. I love history and I love learning about it. But those two classes were a waste of time and money and were utterly useless. Also, the tests were written essays instead of simple fact based multiple choice tests. They graded on writing skills and grammar. It didn't matter if you retained the information taught, they graded on your ability to write about it. They sunk our GPA's in a history class for not having the writing skills. I wasn't going to college to be a writer or a historian. College is an utter scam with all these useless classes.
I disagree. History is one of the most important subjects.
I found subjects such as being forced to take a language a big waste.
Man I just enrolled at wsu 😭 go coughs ig
@@rememberstayangry2366 I think the point is that they weren't actually required to learn history but to write an essay that's not testing the knowledge of the class but being graded on writing skills
You're kidding.... right?
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. History is NOT a waste of time, period.
What I like the most about your videos is that you always give a centrist view
The college system REQUIRES you to take a LOT of classes that have nothing to do with your degree. They claim to want students to be more well rounded while you are paying tons for each credit hour class.
I'm a retired civil engineer. Even the students coming out of a ABET accredited college with a degree have almost zero worth as a working engineer depending on the specific discipline. The degree is nothing more than hurdle that says to the employer that they are smarter than the average person and I presume in some sense configures the kid to learn. The fluff in college is a complete waste and I'll further say classes like Differential Equations, Calculus 3, and Calculus 2 have very little place in the average Civil engineer's day to day life. I am not saying it's not ever used but in 30 years as a working civil engineer I never did.
2:15 Yeah from my understanding unless you’re pursuing a specific career where the college degree is absolutely required, then going to a trade over a college would be much more beneficial for most people.
I'm Australian, so I don't know, but my perception of America is that people focus on "going to College" first, then figure out what for. I studied Chemical Engineering at Sydney University because I wanted to be a Chemical Engineer and SU is one of the best Universities in the world. Luckily, I did very well at school and got my pick.
I hate that argument because most trade schools ARE colleges.
I have a friend that holds an undergrad engineering degree from MIT and an MBA from Harvard… Years ago I was giving him a hard time on some mechanical stuff as well as some business stuff as my eduction is similar, just from a state university 30 years ago (about same time frame as his)… He said something that I never forgot, and that was: “it is not the education that is of value, it is the network”…
Some thoughts as a (community) college professor: 1. community college classes are taught by people as competent as university professors and far more interested in their students rather than research grants.
2. community colleges are more affordable and more states are providing supplemental funding for them.
3. that said, grants and loans may cover college, but in most cases you cannot take out enough money (nor would you want to) to pay for a place to live, food, and transportation. Half of the students at my institution also work at least half time. And to get many forms of aid, you must attend FULL time, which means you are already supposed to be spending 40 hours per week on your classes, plus work, plus commuting, plus caring for family, plus household chores, plus sports if you are a student athlete....
4. mental health issues and substance abuse issues are far more common than you might think, especially among the underserved in society who are the very people CC's are trying to reach. Even if it's not the student, it may be a family member. I have had many students miss class because they were abused by a spouse, for example. Or had a spouse arrested for drug related crimes....
5. If you take someone else's money to go to college you are bound by the constraints of that money. I would have no problem if the grant and loan providers made a certain percentage of students who achieve employment upon graduation a requirement.
6. but that said, general education classes should not be shelved for any major. If taught right, they make you a better, more informed citizen. Oh, and in reply to a poster below, I teach Western Civilization classes (before and after 1500) and you can be DAMN sure I have factual multiple choice questions on all my exams because if you haven't memorized the facts, it doesn't matter how good you are at BSing a written answer. Your English gen ed is to work on your written communication. Your history or social science gen ed is to make sure you can participate in the shared culture of the West. I just met with a student in my online class this AM who thanked me for the previous Ancient history class he took with me and noted that Cincinnatus came up in a conversation he was having with his friends just today.
7. Most of my online network is made up of other college graduates. However, I am on an app called "Nextdoor" which is a neighborhood-based "facebook." I regularly see posts like this which indicate what our high schools currently produce (please let me know if you can even tell what this person is saying): "Sence this app has been taken over buy a bad guy , so let us know when he is gone , good luck , praying some body starts another like this , they." Oh, and there is no indication this person speaks English as a second language.... This is why we need college gen ed or hich schools to actually flunk students until they can meet 12th grade communication standards. Off my soap box now.
8. Our culture does place unneeded emphasis on college. While I wish high schools were more rigorous and we could count on HS grads having basic cultural literacy, we currently cannot. But even while this is very sad, there are many careers that do not require a 4 or even 2-year degree. You can apprentice or go back to that community college for a continuing ed certificate in network engineering that will get you an 80k+ per year job. By all means, do this if it is where your talents lie!
9. Respect anyone who puts in the work. Give them the help they need to know what the work must be in order to succeed. DO blame the system that encourages students to go into debt and by paying institutions directly, encourages colleges to charge more and more every year even if they do not need to to maintain basic services and reasonable salaries for their employees. And please don't put community colleges, which teach everything from elementary education to addiction counseling to automotive repair to HVAC to cybersecurity and X-ray technician in the same categories as elite or even state 4-year schools.
10, Final note - in my state, community colleges get less than 30 cents from the state for every dollar that goes to the big universities and our governor just tried to permanently lower that even more. So much for his campaign promises of supporting the working class... I'm sure it's the same in most states. Focus on affordable education that doesn't pay head coaches 500+ thousand dollars per year, spend tons of money on rock climbing walls and posh dorms. Your local community college is not a scam. It can get you trained for a job in under a year and needs support and recognition at all levels of government.
Just on point 6 - whilst remembering Facts is important, what is more important about things like history is understanding WHY things happened. What were the sociopolitical forces at play, what were the motivates behind actions etc. Facts can always be looked up in a reference book/wiki. Understanding critical thinking is THE most important thing anyone can learn.
About Point 8. I'm Australian, but my "outsider looking in" impression in America is that "going to College" seems more important than why/what for. Universities in Australia (at least were when I attended), were about teaching Professions, such as Medicine, Law, Engineering, Science or Fine Arts. Universities these days seem to be obsessed with teaching crap like psychology and philosophy.
You wrote an essay for a youtube comment. "Less is more."
@@Jake-777-7 Maybe, like my students, you just don't like reading.
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You are a bright young man. There is so many negative aspects of the young generation that are extremely disturbing but when I listen to you analyze things intelligently and with an open mind it gives me hope. Thank you for what you do!
There seems to be a general lack of common sense and critical reasoning skills these days.
In relation to this, very important jobs to our infrastructure don’t require a college degree. Plumbers, electricians…and I’ve been told that plumbers will soon be paid as much as lawyers.
The younger generation just doesn't understand it. What you're supposed to do in high school is look for a job that has" internship"you work for them for free but they give you experience and usually a recommendation which is a million times better than a college degree, and then go to college after you get the job to get a new title, salary ,and benefits.
Excellent analysis and commentary
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I totally agree, especially with Charlie’s last statement!
I think there’s a good balance to be found here. First and foremost, access to education shouldn’t hide behind a paywall. And if it absolutely must it should be extremely consumer friendly always. A “well rounded” education should be pursued in primary school (which needs a massive curricular overhaul itself) and higher education should be based SOLELY on what the student who is FUNDING the school wishes to learn. Obviously they need to be well rounded within their area of expertise, there may be a class or two that is a bit undesirable but necessary, but there is no justification for a future software developer to take a drawing class or a business major taking astronomy.
The primary issue I take with Kirk’s stance (and I may be misinterpreting) is that it seems he sees institutional education itself as a scam, and seems to take a more utilitarian approach in getting education with the end goal of producing income. It seems that he assumes that him being an autodidact means that everyone around him should act similarly. I know this seems a bit accommodating, but the reality is most people don’t have the desire to go and just learn about things. And one might say “well, that’s on them, wanna be stupid then be stupid”, and I agree, the problem is that those “stupid” people are allowed fill out ballots. I’m sure I don’t need to point to many examples of why this can be bad, hell why do you think political campaigns are run on emotions and not policy these days?
I read most Employers won’t hire College Graduates.
But it’s insane that many Jobs require a College Degree either Bachelors or Masters.
Like does anyone have the time for that nonsense?
I was not able to go to college when I graduated high school, but went to work in a factory office. The office manager wanted to retire and trained me in her job. So I learned cost accounting from the ground up, while doing the timekeeping, payroll, and inventory control. In just over a year.
Later, I took a job that required a degree, with the understanding that I would get an associate degree. When I took the 4 to 6 accounting classes required for that degree I wanted to laugh at what the instructor emphasized - it was all form; journal entries must be indented 1 inch from the left margin, 2 inches from the top of the page, debits must be first and credits last.... That isn't what's important in real life!
I basically learned the names for what I had been doing. I also took biology, golf, Literature, etc.; probably half the classes I took did not relate to the degree.
I went to school for software engineering and one of my prerequisites was world religion. I had quite a few meaningless classes that I was forced to take. Yeah, I had a choice but all my choices were equally worthless. That was a waste of time. You should only have to take the classes that are relevant to why you’re there.
I've had a job since age 17, I'm 34.
My whole experience of Working in gas stations, and grocery stores, and fast food, and restaurants. I would frequently be working alongside and getting paid the same as People with Bachelor's degrees. They spent 4 to 6 years $40,000 a year, and they had the same shit job as me. I worked in Electrical Apprenticeship- got free schooling and Paid OJT- and non Graduates, were even still my superiors based on merit, time and Experience. College is a Scam.
The education/major chosen needs to be well thought out as regards to the need in the workforce. My Niece got a masters degree in history, because she thought it would help her get a job at a huge museum as a curator. She was convinced she would get the job without doubt it just because she was female and had a masters degree in history.
The problem has been the same throughout time with colleges and universities.
If you have a field of interest, you should be able to focus on that field without having to take these other 20 classes that have nothing to do with it, and they should be electives.
For example, if I'm going to be a computer scientist 90 percent of my classes should be in that field and the 10 percent can be communication.
The rebuttal to the point you made "at 18 you don't know what knowledge you may need later on" is that you also don't know what you don't need which leads to paying for classes that are useless.
The problem is kids dont understand the financial aspect of loans for college. They are not in a position to pick and choose what classes they need for the job of their choice. They depend on the university to do that and the university is taking advantage of that position. The basic universal requirement classes should be cut to a bare minimum. Many if which are to get you a well rounded set if classes but is not needed.
3/4 what I learned in Grade/High School I Didn't have to know and have Never used that "Knowledge" in my life and and and and...
One thing that I have noticed about this discussion is that people have forgotten the difference between a Trade School and a University. The purpose of a Trade School is to prepare students for a certain job and to provide only the information needed for that job. Skills and applicable information only. The purpose of a University is to create an individual with a well-rounded education who can then evaluate and improve upon policies involving many different fields. Persons who have information on most of the basic fields of human knowledge so that they can speak intelligently on almost any subject. Writing, comprehension, logic and the ability to have discussions with persons of different backgrounds and beliefs without hostility are also skills that a University is supposd to provide. These basic differences seem to have been lost.
I'm a nontraditional college student. That means I went back to college in my 40s for a VERY specific reason. I'm getting a degree in Alternative Medicine. Now I know a lot of people will find that a ridiculous degree. Here's my reasoning. I have several conditions that Allopathic Medicine either don't treat or have very limited treatment options. I'm disabled and am receiving grants. That said, I graduated from highschool with a two-year degree from a tech school in landscape design and turf management and with my registered technician pesticide license. The highschool I graduated from required either college prep classes or a tech degree to graduate. You took AP classes or you learned a skill. And you graduated with the license you needed to get a job right away. Cosmetology class came with the associates degree. Auto repair got the ASE certification. Early childhood development, also and associates degree. Directly out of highschool at no cost.
I also have a BSEE (1987) and MSEE (1991) specializing in lasers and optics. My sister was 4 years younger so after the BS I had to get a job so my parents could start paying for her schooling and I went to school at night for my MS paying for it out of my pocket. I was one of three females out of ~ 300 students enrolled in the EE program at the University of Alabama. I was the first person in my family to ever get a college degree. I have had all kinds of jobs over the years from designing weapon systems for the Space & Strategic Defense command to architecting\managing commerical IT systems that bring in >20 billion/year. These jobs have allowed me to visit all but 3 US states, including Puerto Rioco and Guam, and many European countries so have some fun along the way!
I went to community college off and on from 1999-2014. I switched majors 7 times. I took alot of different classes just for my own intellectual enrichment. Looking back however many years later, most of it was a complete waste of time. I could have learned alot more just spending time in a library.
The best professors go easy on the students. I don't mean by dumbing down the material or grading generously. I mean allowing late work, make-up tests, and being really forgiving about walking in late (if it's not disruptive). Life can be crazy, traffic can be crazy, and stuff happens. Being ridiculously strict is the power trip of self-important ass hats. If they are being paid to teach, then they should behave like servants; not tyrants. College is not "the real world". Some jerk's class is *nothing* like a real job. Obviously, you'd prioritize your work on the job highly, and not turn stuff in late. That doesn't mean Mister Snerdly and the homework he assigns deserve top priority.
Eventually, I figured out that it helps to study the material BEFORE taking the class. That way, it's all stuff you're familiar with, and you ace it with ease.
Still, most professors are idiots, alot of what you learn is pointless bullcrap, and alot of it isn't even true.
The hard sciences, engineering, and music - that's where you find quality consistently.
English, psychology, sociology, literature... not so much. I enjoyed these classes, but they weren't really worth the time spent. Way too much indoctrination in these subjects, as well.
I enjoyed Art classes, but I never saw anybody LEARN anything.
History was a mixed bag. So was Economics. It all depends on the professor. Alot of them just wanna' programme you with their own ideological bullcrap.
My Health teacher was great because he legitimately cared. He was very much a progressive lefty. I'm hard-core libertarian. We never agreed on the solutions to any problems, but we totally got along because we both knew all about corruption and other problems in health science, marketing, medicine, etc. He just wanted to spread knowledge; not indoctrinate.
I was premed but switched to a biology degree since premed wasn't going to work out.
I took multicultural, Japanese history, American military history, psychology, art history, ethics, microeconomics, several writing classes. Not because I wanted to, but because I needed credits in those categories that had nothing to do with premed or biology.
You ain't getting you degree for free. You, me your parents and friends are paying for it.
I mow lawns (own a small landscaping company) and I make $85-100 an hour. 0 collage
I've completed many degrees. The amount of bullshit courses I had to take was brutal.
Easily at least half of the courses I took were required and a total waste of time. This was in engineering.
Yup!
You are wise beyond your years!
God Bless.
😮😮My degree was in Accounting and Economics. I (69) was required to take humanities classes that were unrelated to my degree. I agree that Business writing was relevant, but I never used Intro to music. (Tone deaf)
Although it is true that a college degree can provide valuable knowledge and skills, it is important to recognize that it does not guarantee success or employment. Nepotism often plays a significant role in job acquisition, with individuals without a degree but with strong connections or familial ties securing positions over more qualified candidates.
I studied Chemical Engineering at Sydney University in 1986 and ALL of my classes had to do with my degree. Chemistry, Physics, Pure Mathematics, Basic Electric Engineering (to learn circuits etc), a few others (it's been a while lol), NONE of them were optional. I had 1 credit left over so I studied Computing 1 (which actually changed everything for me haha). ZERO humanities classes. It's the most demanding course at Uni, with I think 35 hours direct face to face including lectures and prac. Medicine for example was only about 17 from memory (in Year 1). I didn't go to Uni to learn about Nonsense like Gender Studies (not that it existed then) or Psychology etc.
Congratulations on getting a Chemical Engineering degree. I think Chemical Engineering is a great degree. It's great to hear that all of the classes you took were related to your degree. College students shouldn't have to take classes unrelated to their degree especially since they're paying a lot of money for their degree.
If I were in a boat lost in the sea I would rather be in the boat with a Filipino and/or a south American native from the coast. No one would survive with any kid coming out of schools and universities these days lol.
Look, I barely got out of HS....because I didn't care. I was young, not making good choices, etc. Had other things on my young hormonal mind. About 20 years later got a 4.0 nursing degree because I finally took it seriously. If you're taking classes like gender studies, etc.....you don't care about your education. You're just looking to get by. Prove me wrong.
I agree that most people shouldn't go to college. In my case, I have a BS and MS in computer science with lead to a career as a software engineer. But, if an alternate to traditional academia had been available, I probably would have used that route, rather than college.
I don't think this kid is using the word levity correctly but I could be wrong. I was too poor to go to college.
I think classes that were a waste of time are required ones I never use for my degree or in life like History of Rock n Roll or Psychology of Dreams…I was getting an accounting degree. Lol
Part of the purpose of going to college and their requirement for those classes these kids don’t like it to produce a more well rounded member of society, and it gives them more to draw from in their life
I wouldn't go to College (University) to get what I call a Nothing Degree - Arts, Psychology, Philosophy etc. Arts maybe if you are VERY good at say music or fine art or something and see it as a career. The other two - read a book. They are full of poison at Unis. I Would only go for a Profession. Things such as Medicine, Law, Engineering or Science. Practical things. Remove them from the numbers and then tell me the average. It will be far lower.
I don't think that we need to totally defund all the colleges we just need to only provide scholarships for people studying in a field that is necessary for the country to prosper. If we gave scholarships to people studying science, medicine, education, engineering, and other fields that are absolutely going to improve the country and then let the students who want to study other things like art or literature or underwater basket weaving pay out of pocket then suddenly the universities would have to only provide faculty to support things that the students are willing to pay for.
I have a vocational 2 year welding degree, I make 110 thousand a year .
What the youth do not understand is that there or so many careers where you need the hands on expeience and learning... And for most career paths. You did not need a 2 or 4 yr degree just 10 to 12 yrs ago... the Youth only wants to argue that they are not being scammed.. Your paying all this tuition for college for a position the generation before did not need.. and after you graduate my high school diplome is teaching you, how to do entry level work...everyone is running circles around you.. everyone else can solve problems much faster. Obviously there are careers paths that we all believe need Advanced education. But having a BA to be a shipping clerk, or a degree in sociology so you can make 35k a year job for social services.. 6 years to be a teacher.. to make what peanuts... I recommend trade schools... And advanced certifications.. work for yourself. Otherwise your not living your dream. Your helping someone else live theirs... Funny how its right in front of them and they cant see it ..Big Bang theory the show... Waitress has her own apartment..while the Scientist share an apartment and live at home with their Mother..
Why did I have to take art classes and PE for zoology degree with a minor in geology? I’m pretty sure that’s high school requirements not college requirements, but I had to do it in college.
Colleges offering degrees that don't apply to jobs in the real world isn't the fault of the students.
Isn't the student being unable to afford it because the prices are too high the college's fault?
Hard to take college seriously nowadays when they offer Taylor Swift courses
Doing good jojo
music appreciation class is a scam
I think college is a scam in the sense of how expensive it is. It's ridiculous how college is a lot more expensive than trade school. College shouldn't cost as much as it does. College should be just as cheap as trade schools. I have a lot of respect for trade schools since trade school kinds of jobs make decent money, and it's not expensive to go to trade schools. We need plumbers, mechanics, electricians, contractors, etc in this world.
I only recommend going to college if you want a career where a college degree is needed in order to have a career in that field such as being a doctor, lawyer, judge, teacher, social worker, psychologist, accountant, financial analyst, chief financial officer, engineer, etc.
I know lots of people who have degrees in marketable fields with lots of jobs in the field such as engineering, computer science, accounting, finance, business administration, etc that struggled with finding jobs in their field after graduation, and it wasn't due to discrimination, making a bad impression during the interview, not trying hard enough, having a criminal record, etc; it was due to jobs being extremely competitive to get. Lots of jobs out there for college graduates are jobs where there's 30-300 applicants, and only 1 person is going to be chosen for the job out of the 30-300 applicants, and even if you meet the education criteria for the job, the general criteria for the job, have a great resume, make a great impression during the interview, are highly qualified for the job, and have a lot of relevant experience, there's still a strong chance that you won't be the selected candidate for the job. The selected candidate for the job out of all the applicants is usually a highly qualified person the hiring manager knows or a highly qualified person that had a recommendation letter, referral, etc submitted to the hiring manager from a trusted and relevant professional reference.
Just about everyone I know that didn't struggle with getting a job in their field after graduating from college or a trade school got their job due to someone they know hiring them or due to a relevant and trusted professional reference submitting a referral, recommendation letter, etc to the hiring manger.
I definitely agree that people shouldn't major in fields like Philosophy, Gender Studies, History, etc since there's little to no jobs in those fields, but it's also important to remember that having a degree in a marketable field with lots of jobs in the field such as engineering, accounting, finance, etc and the interview going well isn't enough to land a job after graduating from college. People need a combination of meeting the education criteria for the job, having relevant experience, having relevant professional connections, and the interview going well in order to land jobs in their field after graduating from college.
Your Education wasn't free..I'm sure you worked your butt off to get the best grades to EARN that scholarship.
don't get too cocky my lil' man , when you get out of college you'll learn real quick there's theory and then there's reality , you're learning theory , i have a degree in instrumentation and i guarantee you won't have learned anymore than i learned. matter of fact less , i learned what you will learn in 6 months. you're talking electrical engineering , wish i could be there to see your face when you realize how much of that is useless info.
Education is wasted on this young person. He just needs more indoctrination.
Young people, you want to make money in the future? Get a trade.
I agree with you how trade schools are great investments. I have a lot of respect for trade schools. Trade schools are very cheap, and you can make decent money for trade school kinds of jobs such as an electrician, plumber, mechanic, elevator technician, contractor, etc. We need electricians, plumbers, mechanics, etc in this world. It's ridiculous how college is a lot more expensive than trade school. College shouldn't be as expensive as it is. College should cost as much as trade schools.
There's a lot of careers out there people can't get unless they go to college. People can't be a doctor, lawyer, judge, teacher, banker, engineer, psychologist, social worker, etc with a trade school degree. People need a college degree if they want to be a doctor, lawyer, judge, teacher, banker, engineer, psychologist, social worker, etc. I only recommend going to college if someone wants a career where a college degree is needed in order to have a career in that kind of field.